balance

[jolly delta]

u can but should you?

[lofty depot]

mmmhm mmmhm

[hasty karma]

hi, sorry if this is a silly question. is there a list somewhere of what creature types grant what bonuses for the crafted trinket?

found it in a wowhead comment, i'm good ty
Haste Buff → Elementals, Aberration, Demon
Verse Buff → Undead, Giant, Critter
Mastery Buff → Humanoid, Dragonkin
Crit Buff → Beasts, Mechanical

[lucid olive]

thats the same as the embellishment

same effect

[hasty karma]

yeah i have the embellishment too i just never knew what caused which

[red nymph]

so never fight undead, giants or critters... got it

[lucid olive]

i think l'ura procs vers

at least thats the tech going around

[red nymph]

blizzard would do this elaborate work around to try and make vers a viable stat /spit

[hasty karma]

the rest of the raid is like 60/40 mastery/haste, other than lura

[lucid olive]

idk 2x arcanoweave is good as well

[red nymph]

seems like it might be the play. do they both have roughly the same proc rate?

[lucid olive]

idk its like 0.1% difference for me

[fiery kindle]

meteorite reworks is good or bad

[exotic perch]

will prob be good on 2T

so prob dragons/paladins

[red nymph]

basically just goldrinn but for starfall

and got buffed, so yeah

[lucid olive]

goldrinn procs on your target

meteorites procs on anything

[grave brook]

Hello everyone, I've been playing frost, and I'm so so SO tired of tracking procs, was looking to ask if the balance druid rotation was a bit more static and looping ? with very little procs and such..

[exotic perch]

if you play elunes chosen with Rattle the Stars its really static

[fiery kindle]

we doin procs but not tracking

[exotic perch]

but the preferred gameplay is with Starweaver so more procs

[fiery kindle]

easiest procs ever

press fall, surge proc. press surge fall proc

i love this gameplay xd

[grave brook]

so it kinda loops a lot more? i want to know what i'm pressing next xd

[fiery kindle]

ofc, If you dont want to play with procs, you dont have to

you have two choices in the talents: you either go for the proc-based Starweaver, or Rattle of the Stars which buffs Starsurge and Starfall.

[fiery kindle]

im at vanguards now. its good for me

but im baiter 😡

[grave brook]

Thank you so much everyone! is there a big difference dps wise?

[fiery kindle]

Starsurge has a 20% chance to make Starfall free. Starfall has a 40% chance to make Starsurge free. < its starweaver explanation

[hollow remnant]

if youre coming from frost our procs are not nearly as much of the rotation

[fiery kindle]

But I don't think there's that much of a difference

[grave brook]

I'm doing ok with frost, but I come from ffxiv where the rotation are pretty set in stone, and i miss that a little, ngl

[fiery kindle]

We’ve never been a proc-based spec anyway, so I don't think you'll have any issues

[grave brook]

Thank you so much, i'll be leveling a druid it seems!

[fiery kindle]

But it's a fact that while they've been making every other spec easier, they made Balance Druid harder.

[fiery kindle]

Which talent are you simming with

[lucid olive]

1m convoke

[fiery kindle]

oh i need try this

[desert imp]

hi guys, quick question. Touch of Cosmos proc and 3 charges which we get incarn/eclipse are they supposed to be used on SS on ST and SF on more the 3+ targets?

[lucid olive]

Starfall on ST if you have Kindling and Meteorites

[grim crater]

specing on sundered firmament, would it be recommened to stagger FoE when they occur

?

[lucid olive]

And then 2 targets you Starfall all

[grim crater]

say I proc it and have FoE avialable

[fiery kindle]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/mPeodoytvHEPvgqKooU4Bs
what am i missing 🙁

[lucid olive]

umbral intensity over twin moons

[fiery kindle]

0.3 its good

xd

[lucid olive]

gg

[fiery kindle]

ec slop?

[lucid olive]

damn right

[fiery kindle]

so close

What was our max level single target sim

[lucid olive]

115k i think

[fiery kindle]

damn

[lucid olive]

but thats with the clankz super computer apl

i think the live apl caps at 112k?

honestly its probably whatever those sim spreadsheets says

[fiery kindle]

I still feel its worst

what do you think about the current state of boomkin and what aspect they should buff in order for boomkin to become viable

[lucid olive]

i think its viable

spec is good

[fiery kindle]

maybe ventry ramp? xD

[lucid olive]

every spec is viable

[fiery kindle]

yea u right

[craggy sonnet]

[fiery kindle]

I’m happy with the damage we're putting out in raids. We’re being functional in many ways

except vanguards

[lucid olive]

I'm the raid's MVP on Vanguard

mandatory vers provider

[dense steeple]

idk whats going on

[lucid olive]

just gotta lock in

[lofty depot]

R1

LFG

actually idk

[lucid olive]

you can roar right as the 4 soak circle mechanic happens and then heart of the wild during the bear form global and thats a good defensive for the soak

[lofty depot]

aug maybe steal

[lucid olive]

then bark if you have circle

[lofty depot]

w

r1

[fiery kindle]

i need watch this pov

[lucid olive]

you're gonna be insufferable for months arent you

[lofty depot]

[lofty depot]

its on my twitch

i can uhhh w.e. its called clip it or w.e.

[lofty depot]

we missed an arrow lol

[lucid olive]

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2749845600?t=01h36m07s

[lofty depot]

I SAT IN BEAR FOREVER MAN

didnt send hotw correct

dont look at my shit

[lucid olive]

youre not starfalling 1st intermission to fish for weaver procs

[fiery kindle]

[lofty depot]

real

[lucid olive]

is that fuckin robin hood

hawkeye ahh moment

[desert imp]

thanks Gamz

[lofty depot]

fuggn healers made me pot there

little rats

[desert imp]

just confirming if i have either only Kindling/Meteorite or both talented, then ST SF else SS?

[pliant quiver]

Is tere a haste breakpoint?

[lucid olive]

to what

[lucid olive]

sure

and on 2 targets you usually opt for builds with kindling and meteorites anyway

and in m+ you probably wont play goldrinn

[desert imp]

i have taken all top log (non PI) people talents for each mythic fight. Hopefully they are correct 😄

[ebon parcel]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/oagGgy4FjS6Rgy4aTNYZwh

vs

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/21gdQyNpFiGy2hvJQEf7S8

one sim showing normal locus walker better, the other showing crucibel of erratic energies better.
i dont understand it. whichone is actually better for me?
been very unlucky with trinket so i dont have anything else that is better than these 2

[lucid olive]

assume you didnt have these ticked for your droptimizer sim

cause i ran it again https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/dhAkaj6oueupM8Pt3XeunM

oh nvm thats 40 seconds cause im stupid

[lofty depot]

[fiery kindle]

🧐

[lofty depot]

lockkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkken

[lucid olive]

oh actually

locus walker is a 0.7% upgrade over the feather

[fiery kindle]

nah

[lucid olive]

not over the crucible

[stone ledge]

poggers

[molten yoke]

cant get over 65k on H midnight falls wtf

[lofty depot]

[molten yoke]

using convoke build from compendium

[grave brook]

I see that balance druid is doing well in M+, or is it just a the top lvl?

[lofty depot]

uhh yea shit needs to live usually

[molten yoke]

what build do u use for midnight falls H? @lofty depot

[fiery kindle]

yea its good

[dense steeple]

fuck voke

[lofty depot]

i havent killed that obss

and wont til mythicv llol

[stone ledge]

had to spend so many ascended eclipse stacks on surge cause every shield had my name on it but its dead and thats all that matters

[lofty depot]

mushrooms might be good

[dense steeple]

its not that easy dont be baited

[stone ledge]

early % is easy

[fiery kindle]

2.26 overlap..

[molten yoke]

which build is better?

[stone ledge]

wait til you get to around 5/6 minutes

[dense steeple]

this is the build i used for midnight fgalls H

CYGAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWoMbNjxMDwswMzMYYGzyMLDzYGbsMzyMzMMbYYAGgltxGmmZWGAAAAsZmZmZwmxMGzAYmBAGA

[molten yoke]

word ill try it out

[dull dust]

nice

[ebon parcel]

sorry i dont get what you are trying to say.
so do i need to untick them and run it again?
in simple terms which trinket is better?
I have simmed them both

[ebon parcel]

and i think i cannot change the feather as it is on use trinket and gives better boost during burst situations?

[quartz void]

What are the changes we getting in .5 patch looking like will we play Meteorites?

[lofty depot]

prob not on st

but other bosses u use it on such as paladins or dragons ull do more dam

i played it on cosmos

[quartz void]

Will we play for M+?

[lofty depot]

doubt

speaking of which

gyaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat

[dull dust]

nerf

[lofty depot]

boss dam p2

see im not padding

sunseeker dam is p1 dam

shits wack

[dull dust]

stonks

[lofty depot]

bro

why cant i beam the 2 birds

[dull dust]

why cant we just beam all lura things

[lofty depot]

well im ok with that

but like why cant i just kick the first 2 on trhe birbs

so dumb mna

[dull dust]

i blame blizz for removing healer kicks

real true

[granite moat]

yo just wanted to thank you guys

did some trys with the feedback you errr inputed on me, went from green to purple parses on heroic raids

[dense steeple]

that sucked ass

we're very behind on damage i think

[granite moat]

didnt log aleria with new playstile tho

should also be 80ish

[dense steeple]

crown is finnicky

cause have to p1 pad

but good work

[lofty depot]

?

me pad?

THOSE FUCKERS ARE PADDING

IM PRESSING STARFALL FOR ST DAM

mmhm mmhm

[granite moat]

i think when i get vaegor + alnseer, my dps will blow

[dull dust]

imagine getting beat by a mage for pad

im revoking ur chicken card

[granite moat]

its always the shadow priest LMAO

when i looked at the priest from my last raid he was IN THE CENTRAL CIRCLE lol

hand to hand with aleria

btw, i play on 150 ping, u guys think i lose too much dps cus of that?

i did try using tunnel but only went down to 130

[dense steeple]

no i dont think you lose too much dpos from that

[granite moat]

so i should perform better still

im almost 280 gear

but its a start

[wheat rivet]

hey fam, i need a little advice for H bird belo'ren

ST?

or aoe spec?

any tips and tricks?

[lofty depot]

st

[quartz void]

So how do you find a better guild as boomie joined a mate in a casual guild but feel I can do a bit better

[wheat rivet]

ive been cratering my dps, trying to soak the wave of balls

[lofty depot]

whats there to aoe

fuggn kill the egg

[lofty depot]

get good logs, then apply to shit

[wheat rivet]

yea i dunno, as i was dead watching the last attempt, there were a buunch of birds up

[quartz void]

Where do guilds recruit from mainly these days?

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/eu/ravencrest/juicyforms

Feel like logs are pretty decent

[lofty depot]

ive always been recruited from warcraftlogs

just update ur shit

[delicate perch]

Yea recruit the rat padders

[lofty depot]

u can also go to discords and apply to guilds looking for boomkins

granted might not be that many

[quartz void]

Yeah guess I'll do that thought people started using guildsofwow

[delicate perch]

Kekkers is next in line for boomkin recruits

Get in line

[dense steeple]

i'll take umbreon

over kekkers

[delicate perch]

That’s cause u suck

Power gapped bad pokemon

[quartz void]

Eyo you watch your mouth

[lofty depot]

ive been recruited by 2 hof guilds and they both sniped me from logs

[delicate perch]

Did I lie?

(No)

[quartz void]

Umbreon is bis

Just behind Mewto

[delicate perch]

[dense steeple]

i have a sick ass glaceon tattoo

[quartz void]

That actually looks kinda sick ngl

[quartz void]

Well would that work while I’m stuck with a friend in a WR 2k guild

Not HoF obviously but something closer to 500 ish

Or is it already too late in season for me

[lofty depot]

the first time i was in a wr 1300 guild

but i was in that guild for like 10 years so they just approach u and ask why u were in that guild for so long doing what u were doing

but u can just apply to new guilds

theyll see ur logs and be like wow big damgur

granted this raid doesnt have good mechanic door stuff in the first few bosses

[dense steeple]

i got it right after arctic gave me moonshine

[lofty depot]

THATS BADASS

[quartz void]

I just dislike killing every boss on enrage all of them lol

[quartz void]

And glad he gave you moonshine

Cause it looks sick

[lofty depot]

well we just killed cosmos at enrage

when other guilds are killing it 10-20s before enrage

lol

[dense steeple]

[quartz void]

Cosmos a tiny bit harder than Imperator and Vorasius tho

[lofty depot]

lol

ik was just yoking

[quartz void]

Literally had our tank pop defensives and tank laser on vorasius every kill

Enrage laser that is

[clever vigil]

gz goat

[lofty depot]

gzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[clever vigil]

yo l'ura still kinda hurts

[lofty depot]

not bear tanking

hm

[clever vigil]

im tanking a crystal

[lofty depot]

oh stop that

[dull dust]

arctic u na?

this u?

[lofty depot]

i am na

but that isnt me

[dull dust]

wtf

i got availed too

[lofty depot]

wait i know availed

my buddy heals there

[dull dust]

pog him then

[lofty depot]

hes in piss right now

has to play dragon

[dull dust]

oof

[clever vigil]

lots of Hall of Famers tonight

[dense steeple]

YEP

Cute anime Boys

[quartz void]

Wish I was one of those

[dull dust]

just turn the lights out

dad always says beauty is a lightswitch away

[quartz void]

Turn them on you mean?

Who plays with lights in

On*

[pseudo merlin]

nerd

[compact musk]

The Starfall icon is ass. It's so hard to tell when you have enough AP to use it just by looking at the icon because it's always greyscale anyway.

[pseudo merlin]

use a resource bar?

and CDM

looking at action bars is crazy work

[compact musk]

🤷‍♂️

[dense steeple]

wont catch me dead looking at action bar

[pseudo merlin]

last time I saw an action bar was like 2007

[lofty depot]

get a better resource bar

mmhm mmhm

what we looking at icons for

[dense steeple]

next week for sure

we had venel down to 10%

[pseudo merlin]

big gaming

wdym next week

[lofty depot]

what u mena next week

[pseudo merlin]

you raid twice?

[dense steeple]

we're done for the week

next week we get back there, i have 2 more ilvl minimum(assuming vault is ass)

[cloud citrus]

lightblinded just a tank fight

[dense steeple]

i'll pump

[cloud citrus]

make ur tanks do better

[dense steeple]

tanks are doing fine

we're dying to swirlie hammer/shields of doom

[cloud citrus]

rip

[lofty depot]

nah its a healer fight

my healers letting me die fight

[cloud citrus]

we just 6 healed it and it was fine

[lofty depot]

our 6th healer was out for a few days

[cloud citrus]

o dam that would be tough

[lofty depot]

so we just learned 5 heal

[dull dust]

bros playing a druid

respec arctic

healer arc

lock in

[lofty depot]

i healed in bfa

[dull dust]

u couldve been the hero they needed

[dense steeple]

another hof

[dull dust]

i didnt get notification

is that shit server wide

and not region

[cloud citrus]

server wide

[compact musk]

How do you guys not?

[dense steeple]

aight good night guys

[pseudo merlin]

how many ppl have it now

[lofty depot]

237

[pseudo merlin]

for real

[lofty depot]

50 guilds killed it today

[pseudo merlin]

damn

[dense steeple]

does that mean its closed after this week

[pseudo merlin]

ye

[dense steeple]

and we're in the fake hof

[lofty depot]

unless they extended like that 1 tier

but yea should close this week

time to start overtime policing

[dense steeple]

sick

ok night

[lofty depot]

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[pseudo merlin]

[leaden birch]

is this the ap bar?

if yes, how do I get that

[lofty depot]

ye

twintops resource bar

[leaden birch]

ty

[lofty depot]

i can send my profile later

just remind me tomorrow if u want it

[granite moat]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/TrcR1YCwLBay9VPW?fight=23&type=damage-done&source=6

i think it got better

compared to the log i sent earlier

how do i see that roadmap of each ability i cast

[lofty depot]

so were just pressing pot not on cds for fun

ur doing this funny dump all asp

[granite moat]

yeah, i was under the impressio i hit pot first time but it didnt went off

since i chain eclipse after that i popped it

[granite moat]

what u mean

[lofty depot]

generally speaking u shouldnt be full dujmping asp

its kind of a mindset thing for movement

if u dont have asp u dont have the ability to move with a good gcd

granted theres usually not that many mechanics going on at the start of a fight

its a mindset thing to know about

[granite moat]

well fuck me lol

so i keep like 50 asp ?

30ish ?

[lofty depot]

keeping enough asp for atleast 1 surge is good ye

i sitll kinda slam during trees

cuz its a damage buff

but outside of it

u should be pooling and floating asp

[granite moat]

but you have enough to move on trees cus u usually pair with big astral + fury + incarn right

[lofty depot]

well start of cds sure

but in the middle

like look at this

ur spamming sunfire on lura

[granite moat]

its cus dks didnt pull crystals properly

they kinda stopped pulling

and they pull again

crystal was about to pop

so i panicked LOL

1 min foe + tress + incarn into aoE def crystals

[lofty depot]

yea pressing that 4 times is banned

[granite moat]

i will try to adjust

well thanks for the help anyway

remember we were here this morning

[lofty depot]

HM

[granite moat]

from 30-40 into consistent 80s and a 89 is quite the prog

plus the 40 log i was just dpsing, now they made me carry crystal ffs

i just have to persevere

[lofty depot]

mmhm mmhm

[sour venture]

Can't find a group for the life of me at 3.2k now

Anyone switched over to resto? What's the learning curve like right now?

Haven't healed since Legion

[round field]

lock in feral

[maiden pasture]

What's the ethical play on aleria for prog btw

As soon as a mob has more than 3 stacks of blobs you swap to starsurge or

[earnest plover]

The trinket sims on blood mallet, which fight duration are they simming with?

[maiden pasture]

Probs 5 mins, I wouldn't use blood mallet tho

Blood mallet is simming with an elunes st build

Which isn't something anyone is running

[round field]

excuse me

what

[fossil hemlock]

Someone said it was the highest simming ST one, so obviously that's what you sim with

Duh

[round field]

[jaunty blaze]

[round field]

me when i make a website to show people trinket gains but use a sim profile that no one uses in an actual scenario

[jaunty blaze]

And then they wonder why they got told not to use bloodmallet

[royal zenith]

Its more ethical to wait for more stacks as you actually do more damage

[round field]

what do you know dunce

where is ur alleria kill

[lone turret]

hi Does someone of you playing with Press and Hold Casting?

[round field]

whats that

[royal zenith]

what does killing the boss have to do with P1

donkey??

[royal zenith]

anyway it's dead on sunday, we got it to like 30%

boss is piss

[maiden pasture]

[round field]

Oh that thing

[maiden pasture]

just didnt know what point people were starting to starsurge

[round field]

Idk last time i heard about that was that it bugs shapeshifts

[royal zenith]

me personally I just starsurge all the time

[maiden pasture]

tbh doesnt matter to me too much im gonna be healing it for the first few reclears

[royal zenith]

well, not all the time

but in P1

[maiden pasture]

i thinkthe first time i play bamkin on it, will be in a boost

[royal zenith]

I think it's fine to also starfall if you play starweaver

unless you get a lot of threat

acitvely trying to kill smallies with starfall is a bit sus

[lone turret]

hmm, i tried it but seams its not working, read that its buggy with Addons

[hearty crypt]

Hello,
how do you recommand to sim DPS for raid bosses of this patch ?
Hectic add cleave ?

[royal zenith]

just ST sims

patchwerk

[hearty crypt]

Stat prio are not the same for cleave and ST are they ?

[jaunty blaze]

They are

[livid jay]

and these other combat types are not really supported by the apl anyways

[royal zenith]

the adds we 'need' to kill are kinda piss

[round field]

hit boss stop padding

every boss is a st boss if ur ethical

[livid jay]

nah pad as much as u want but just sim ST 😄

i literally had to pad yesterday on dragons reclear cause adds werent dying fast enough

[hearty crypt]

Drood profile is pad build kekw

[royal zenith]

not wrong

[hearty crypt]

legit doing same dmg on boss even when padding

just using procs on ST

[livid jay]

well if u play other talents then no

[royal zenith]

if you really want to know if prio changes for stats or w.e. you can sim ST versus like a short 6T sim

but I dunno, it will probably be sidegrades

changing talents has more impact

[hearty crypt]

1min convoc for mega ST bosses like belo / vora

[jaunty blaze]

If you say so

[round field]

1 min convoke

[royal zenith]

convoke is not thaaaaat great

if any boss has adds

so probably only real value on belo

and supposedly 2min convoke is better there

[jaunty blaze]

It's all about egg dmg so 2 min convoke is better

[random pasture]

Do we have any data if the changes in 0.5 will effect what builds we play?

[round field]

probably not

[random pasture]

Maybe worth on Crown?

[round field]

i looked up first log with meteorites

and the buff would be like

1k dps

[royal zenith]

its pretty irrelevant ye

[random pasture]

1k st or?

[round field]

1k in that alleria pull

so instaed of 166k dps it would be 167k dps overall

[lofty depot]

Some people of us used it on crown already

[round field]

that talent is just straight up dogwater

[lofty depot]

It did more than sunseeker

Sunseeker dog water

Mmmhm mmhm

[round field]

there do be a lot of dogwater talents

like why is this still even in the game

[drifting nova]

natures balance passive when

[lofty depot]

It is passive

[drifting nova]

hell, make it a hero talent

theres terrible passives in there

[maiden pasture]

[craggy sonnet]

isnt it a strict nerf to st?

[round field]

yes actually

[lofty depot]

Ye

But better on fights u already used it

[craggy sonnet]

yeah, was just confused by the question

[obsidian jetty]

It's pretty bad on crown. You want dmg on the amp dudes in p1, p2 it can hit the 0 hp mobs that are waiting to get arrowed. Last phase it's fine and will be better with the new version

[round field]

oh yeah

why is rank 1 running meteorites then?

[obsidian jetty]

most other fights it will be fine to run it on/good

[lofty depot]

Wrong

P1 is fake

Yasa mushroom did like 80% of his total damage of mushrooms solely in p1

When I care about boss damage in p2

Mmhm mmhm

[obsidian jetty]

shroom gives ap, it's not just about dmg

and it will get extra ap on the 0 hp idiots sitting in melee

[round field]

are u rank 1?

dont bark then

[royal zenith]

"shroom only did 2% of my overall" type of thing

[lofty depot]

Sheesh

[royal zenith]

classic

[lofty depot]

Ok I'm just gonna meme it for a while

Cuz I didn't want to play sunseeker

Shit was procing on wrong amped boss

Pissing me off

[obsidian jetty]

I was running meteorites at first, but it was just too inconsistent

was seeing alot of hits on the 0hp mobs and I just decided it was bait

[royal zenith]

crown is a weird fight

dont dislike it tho..

[lofty depot]

After all the prog our last few pulls, kind of a vibe

Just a dance left and right

[royal zenith]

feel like bliz still does an insanely bad job at conveying what's important

[obsidian jetty]

our kill pull I got silenced twice, we pushed early, it fucked my CDs which tilted me into messing up my CDs even more

[royal zenith]

time to speculate logs

[obsidian jetty]

the pull before the kill I was doing 170k before last platform. gg

[lofty depot]

Sir there's a countdown for the silence

What r we doing

[round field]

i love quaking

[royal zenith]

I used to have Oi's weakaura to save me from interrupts

[lofty depot]

But yea I was slamming before plat 3, 175k I think

And then CDs don't come up in time for that add set

But u get 2nd pot and can kill boss

[lofty depot]

Nsrt does it tho

[obsidian jetty]

they do if you get full p2

[lofty depot]

Well I sent 1 in p2

Sent 3 in p3

[obsidian jetty]

you guys missed an arrow in p2

[lofty depot]

Yes

[obsidian jetty]

so you pushed early

[lofty depot]

Yea ik, big sad

I also sat in bear for like 5 seconds

[obsidian jetty]

our kill pull was even earlier push than yours 💀

goofy ass boss

[royal zenith]

ye the problem is not not having a notification

its more that you trained your brain to respond to specific cue's

ya kno

[lofty depot]

This is also silly, I said we should take someone off

We didn't so I just starfalled and sent surges into alleria

Imagine if we were like this on one armed bandit man

[lofty depot]

I didn't look, are u playing EC on belo

[obsidian jetty]

we just had 4 doods

[lofty depot]

Well that's what I said to do

But shrug

[obsidian jetty]

nah

[royal zenith]

you know what's more criminal

[obsidian jetty]

ec lame

[royal zenith]

warlocks chaos bolts

[lofty depot]

EC do be lame

Might vibe clecia type shit

Problem being I need guild to hold properly if I play ec

And idk how safe that is

[obsidian jetty]

int is 30s, doesn't matter really

[lofty depot]

We're pushing at like 144 and I need it to be later

It does when convoke isn't up for 20s when starting int

I think I can drop NB so I can just slam convoke instead of slamming 3-4 surges on opener

It's less surges but will line up better

Also, just us holding for 5-10s more will help

[modest wagon]

[quiet drift]

dont think this matters too much'

use voke and trinket on 2nd CA

[lofty depot]

Hm

[pseudo trout]

sim broken? this out sims every other neck i have. even the raid neck with proc

[obsidian jetty]

how much shadow damage are you doin?

[pseudo trout]

lmaoooo

v true

why did i get this

[night oriole]

should do shadow damage during eclipse tbh. what is an eclipse but a big shadow.

[pseudo trout]

so listen to sim? murlok and archon show boomies running like 1% vers

[lofty depot]

Murlok and archon aren't your character

[pseudo trout]

ok fair

just double checking

[lofty depot]

But I doubt I would wear either

Go farm pit silly

[pseudo trout]

might just craft

[lofty depot]

Smh

Low resolve

[pseudo trout]

factual

[ivory sentinel]

is there any fun macros where i can mush soothe / remove corruption and such into 1? so it switches between?

[pallid bay]

#showtooltip
/cast [known:soothe] soothe;remove corruption

[astral heath]

Hey! Can I make a macro for Eclipse and Celestial Aligmnent/Incarnation so when I use it I automatically enter Moonkin form?

[pallid bay]

no

[sudden flame]

#showtooltip
/cast [@mouseover, harm, nodead] Soothe; [@mouseover, help, nodead] Remove Corruption; [harm, nodead] Soothe; Remove Corruption
if you combine

and want mousover

[pallid bay]

right you can pick both of them

[eager raft]

hello oi

[ivory sentinel]

[pallid bay]

hello table

[sudden flame]

i stole it from compendium im not that smart

[royal zenith]

TABLE

[eager raft]

🙂

[royal zenith]

thats good, will keep that in

[eager raft]

You kinda messed up my raid last night……. My gm posted a screenshot of you saying you can bait the arrows on p2 crown

And he got very fixated on it

[ivory sentinel]

you should say p3 next time and see if they beliv it

[pallid bay]

just play mehanic

[eager raft]

[ivory sentinel]

tbh i don't raid so no clue what half of this even is.

[lofty depot]

rolls d20

[royal zenith]

do you know what wrath is?

[lofty depot]

Don't worry, neither of them were replying to u

[drifting nova]

a sin

[hollow mist]

yea i got a lot of it

[tawny mesa]

DRUID
Balance
Meteorites has been updated – Every time Starfall drops a wave of stars, a meteorite also falls on up to 2 targets in its range, each dealing Astral damage.
Meteorite projectile damage reduced by 30%.

so how much loss it is?

[round field]

in single target

about 30%

[lofty depot]

It's not a loss on the bosses u always played it on

Because you weren't playing it on st anyway

[fickle pier]

ye maybe if you took it in keys would be the only case where you see a loss on a st boss

[sudden flame]

DRUID
Balance

[spice roost]

Feral RIP

[hollow mist]

[honest musk]

Uploading my m+ gameplay, I have ability tracker too. Wanna have a look @lofty depot ? 😄

I think I improved compared to yesterday, was beating the mage throughout run.

But then, frost isn't very good aoe they say.

[lofty depot]

When I'm off work sure

[honest musk]

oky awesome

[jolly delta]

how much was frost doing and in what dungeon

[dire osprey]

frost is defo good aoe

[jolly delta]

bruh

frost is defo not good aoe

1st pull AA you have warlocks doing 800k

[dire osprey]

ok but thats like 1 very specific pull

[jolly delta]

Ok but thats what it means to have good aoe

[dire osprey]

ok i thought u meant like on average throughout like a dung

[lofty depot]

Is that a lot?

[dire osprey]

i mean

boomys do that aswell

lol

[jolly delta]

sure

frost doesnt

[jolly delta]

overall on avg its better because you have more uptime etc but frost is terrible compared to balance

[dire osprey]

saw this as context

anyway

[jolly delta]

Sure, frost isnt very good aoe

Balance is way better

[obsidian fjord]

doesnt that make exact sense then his response

[jolly delta]

Is this so controversial?

[obsidian fjord]

he is using a mage as a measuring stick

and his spec does more aoe than a mage

[pliant quiver]

Is there an addon/weak aura-esque something that will flash something when I am full on Astral Power? Reviewing some of my logs and noticed I am sitting on full asp for like 10 seconds sometimes, so would love to have something so I can be less bad.

[obsidian fjord]

and u are stuck up on what "very good" means

[jolly delta]

1 bloqued message

[obsidian fjord]

Im talking to the other person

but well done

[round field]

you can probably use twintops to track ap

and make it flash when ur full

[jolly delta]

Misunderstood your point wcyd

[lofty depot]

Well in a perfect world ur not full ever so it would never blink if ur playing correctly

That also implies ur currently not glancing at ur asp for multiple seconds not knowing u gained asp at some point

[obsidian fjord]

better to find out exactly how u can be a 10 seconds capped asp without noticing than try fix it immediately with addon

sound like zone out issue

[lofty depot]

[honest musk]

mage dced on 3rd boss, then healer died so the key was depleted, but this is the overall I have (it seems we were very close after all) dungeon was seat

[obsidian fjord]

i dont know ur life and all that my dood u feel me but i will be critical in a nice way cos u are asking about it

that dps esp with aug sucks a bit

both u and the other dood can do a lot more u feel

[honest musk]

i guess 😄

[obsidian fjord]

if u care u can look some log watch some pov all that good shit

if u dont then live ur best life

but yea dont use that as a be all end all measuring stick

[honest musk]

nah i am actively trying to improve, no problem

[obsidian fjord]

cos the mage also doing bad

[dire osprey]

i mean u dont know how the dung went anyway

how much they pulled

how much they died

[obsidian fjord]

yeah that is true

[dire osprey]

impossible to judge lowkey

[obsidian fjord]

but i assume it was a normal key

[dire osprey]

some dungs u pull 220k avg

with an evoker

[obsidian fjord]

because they are using it as a benchmark

[honest musk]

healer was bad tbh, i had to go bear multiple times and sit around to be healed. mage died and i survived some moments

[obsidian fjord]

its not we have the dood in question right here my doooood

[honest musk]

I will post the video, then you can have a look

[obsidian fjord]

confucius say man who pug key live short and sad life

[honest musk]

I will add video then you can have a better idea

[obsidian fjord]

what u didnt mention is if tank was pulling small

[honest musk]

yeah not the biggest pulls, but it is what it is

[obsidian fjord]

im not watching a whole key u feel

[honest musk]

i think healing was more of a problem compared to tanking

[obsidian fjord]

if u have certain pull maybe i can look

[honest musk]

I intentionally upload this run because i was trying to improve on the feedback I received yesterday

which was not dotting enough, popping foe after incarn etc

[obsidian fjord]

what were you trying to improve on

[honest musk]

I will also upload log once the video is uploaded

[obsidian fjord]

also i assum u have good gear

maybe u dont

[honest musk]

I have haste-vers mostly (coz I main bear)

[jolly delta]

i play frost and I do 130k and i have shit gear

[obsidian fjord]

that is also augd

[jolly delta]

with no aug

yes

[obsidian fjord]

its very low overall

[jolly delta]

this is just to provide context

[obsidian fjord]

but hes doing random pug key on offspec and shit

it will be bad

@honest musk u have 289 chest but no enchant btw

[drifting nova]

whats the easiest dung and why is it seat

[royal zenith]

it's pit

obviously

[drifting nova]

naa seat

all day

[obsidian fjord]

confucius say man who take bait become bait itself

[grim crater]

Yo! should I in theory be targeting multiple adds when I get starweaver proc with starsurge?

[wraith dirge]

Does anyone know how the UI in the screenshot is filtering through debuffs on nameplates?

[grim crater]

so stellar amp activates on multiple

[wraith dirge]

Cus this is starting to get unplayable for me

[eager raft]

Weird flex but ok

[wide dawn]

I just import boomie player plater ui and i cant see this

[jolly delta]

is 130 a flex

[royal zenith]

show said log with 130k

[obsidian fjord]

nerd alert

[royal zenith]

and we can judge

your mom

[wraith dirge]

Can I have a link for that? Because I need to replicate that behaviour for ElvUI

[round field]

my rat dh does more than 130k

[royal zenith]

not a log

dismissed

[obsidian fjord]

dh buff...

[lofty depot]

Well u download plater or platynator and use a profile, probably jundies

[jolly delta]

sure thats why its not a flex

[lofty depot]

And u turn off elv nameplates

[obsidian fjord]

hmm yes dh mage same damage

[eager raft]

Way more than I am able to do

[jolly delta]

im sorry didnt mean to......

[eager raft]

It’s ok man I just need to work on my game

[royal zenith]

[honest musk]

video is ready

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2YrW07otjk

[obsidian fjord]

this man holds a finger up when he types in discord

im certain of it

[royal zenith]

who are you even

trying to fit in?

[honest musk]

a bit low on gold, will get it later

@obsidian fjord @dire osprey @lofty depot if you wanna have a look 🙂

[obsidian fjord]

typing that in a public world of warcraft discord 🪪

definitely holding his finger up

[royal zenith]

🥹

<---

[obsidian fjord]

did you just make that

or are you saying you had a fucking emote with your finger up

[royal zenith]

are you new to discord

or

[obsidian fjord]

you can make emotes on discord yes

you actually have that in this disc

i guess i am clairvoyant

[royal zenith]

you're getting there

proud of you

[lofty depot]

Well deux is known um aktually-er, so it's his emote

[honest musk]

taka quit arguing and watch my video bro, see why 130k is acceptable or not xd

[lofty depot]

With an aug, it's not

Mmhm mmhm

[round field]

i clicked on the video

pressed random time

[lofty depot]

why is ur ability tracker in the middle of ur screen lol

so like u pressed incarn pre dungeon

and now were just sitting outside of eclipse and incarn

and then we press it when theyre 50%

ur tank kinda cring pulls the 4packs solol

ur munching cosmos procs

u then get targetted by decimate and slamm all ur asp before he charges u

and then dont have asp to move

u could press wild charge but dont, u should be pooling though for that

u pressed eclipse and surge prior to it going out

4:13 u didnt dot the 2nd add until it was like 50% hp and on top of the boss

u press 6 starfires while having a cosmos proc up

im not really an expert in what needs to die

but ur probably supposed to be targetting the warden and not the stalkers

7:47, idk why were not going into eclipse here

u then overcapped asp, cast another starfire, cast starfall prior then go into eclipse.

CAST A SPENDER

holllllllllllllllly

u should get a better asp bar

blud spamming starfall for 2 seconds with no asp

u just targetted and dotted the warden then swapped off of it lol

[bleak junco]

is ASP in the resource management bar like combo points?

i swear i never see it except in my character frame

[lofty depot]

i mean u can download addons to make one bigger

if ur playing default it looks like his which is just objectively shit

1108, dotted everything casted 5 starfires and still not in eclipse

[bleak junco]

I think rather than bars I'd rather just get a number

[lofty depot]

the bar i use has thresholds cuz our asp costs change a lot right now with talents

[bleak junco]

oh that's very helpful then

[lofty depot]

knowing where that line is is rather important

[bleak junco]

yeah the default frame gives me grief on that for sure

[lofty depot]

i mean hes not tracking dots either on cdm and his nameplates are tragic to say the least

not targetting prio mobs

[bleak junco]

i have the threat plates with debuffs on them and I made them HUGE lol

tbf I am learning a lot because I am making some similar mistakes

[lofty depot]

many times casting starfires while capped

[manic plume]

man vertical form bar making me feel a type of way

[lofty depot]

u waited 20s to cast foe and eclipse here

actually u didnt cast foe at all so uve now sat on fury for....

1 minute into boss

at this moment you are capped 1247... u stay capped for another 10 seconds not casting starfall

[round field]

get a ap tracker...

[lofty depot]

Need better trackers in general

Capping asp consistently, sitting on cosmos procs, not casting eclipse

[bleak junco]

this reminds me of the days of FF14 balance discord log dissection xD

[quartz void]

I thought you did more damage the higher AP you had

[fickle pier]

wrong spec, that's guardian

[lucid olive]

And feral

[tawny cloud]

What bar do you use for this?

[lucid olive]

Twintops

[tawny cloud]

Thanks id like to take a look at that

[lucid olive]

Ask Arctic about exporting his profile or something

[lucid olive]

It changes the same it has for the last 3 years or

[lofty depot]

Yea I told Volvo I'd send it when I got home today

[lofty depot]

Well what I mean was with rattle and ac

The threshold fluxuates in rotation even

[honest musk]

I just read your comments arctic, thank you!

I think I need better resource management and better cd usage indeed

Regarding why tracker is in the middle, I just installed it and didn't really set it up. I opened anchors but didn't see them really hmm

I just moved it

regarding AP tracker, I will check out twintops

[shrewd sorrel]

heya, just wanted to ask about trinkets for balance - on the guides its shown as locus walker and vaelgors, but the sims show gaze really high.

[lofty depot]

See I'm noob, I use twintops

It make me better

[honest musk]

looks promising

[lofty depot]

Gaze is easier to use tbf

[hallow cave]

Sim the situation u want to be good at, follow sim

[lofty depot]

I don't show the icons cuz I know roughly where they go

But yea, helps nonetheless

[honest musk]

yeah I failed to dodge that orb lol, was my only stupid death I think (next ones I didn't have much to do imo)

[lofty depot]

This is my bar

[shrewd sorrel]

does anyone here update the bloodmallet for balance? as that shows differing info too

[lofty depot]

Bloodmallet bad

Ignore it

[hallow cave]

When both trinkets drop need on them both, then u decide 😄

[lofty depot]

This is the greed they talk about in the bible

[shrewd sorrel]

im asking more from a distributing loot perspective rather than a needing on it

[lofty depot]

Yea it's a bad representation of trinkets worth

U shouldn't use it as a resource

[hallow cave]

Well if u pug, u passing any of the 3 trinkets?

[lofty depot]

Yea, so then I can karma roll good on vaelgors surely

[hallow cave]

Well if karma is a thing i am doomed

[lofty depot]

Mmmhm mmhm

[honest musk]

main takeaway is this right?

[lofty depot]

Essentially

I watched half the video

[honest musk]

I even added "ding!" sound and I also notice that I am casting starfire when I have free sf/ss

[lofty depot]

Assume it's the same the whole way

[honest musk]

thanks for taking the time to address those ❤️

so when I have free cosmos proc, I should use it unless I am expecting to go in eclipse, right?

eclipse very soon at least

[lofty depot]

Generally ur sending it

In most of those cases u were spam casting starfire

U also do this new boomkin thing where u spend all ur asp when u get to full/near full

When u don't need to do that

U spend to not cap

[honest musk]

i should spend not to cap, this way I have more freedom for movement as well, right?

[lofty depot]

Yep

Pooling asp for movement

[honest musk]

I will try to remember this "not to cap" more, because this also ensures you don't die to stupid shit

thank you very much again, hope I will improve next runs 🙂

what are those icons btw? is that actively tracking cost of ss/sf and recommended thresholds to use?

[lofty depot]

Is the costs

[honest musk]

Should I add bars for sf/mf?

[lofty depot]

I don't like bars

[honest musk]

This

[pseudo merlin]

bars bad

[lofty depot]

I use icons

[pseudo merlin]

use icon with duration

[lofty depot]

Bars clearly don't work, cuz ur not paying attention to the ones u currently have

[honest musk]

Could you show how it looks?

[lofty depot]

Gamz UI is linked in the #1473018731687841853

[honest musk]

Default plates are bad, right?

[lofty depot]

Correct

[honest musk]

One thing I hate is inside mt, it shows mobs on lower floor which is confusing

[lucid olive]

is it

where

[lofty depot]

It was

Technically wowhead has it and that's linked

So

[honest musk]

I am benched for mythic raiding in my guild, but main reason I wanna improve is I wanna do better in m+

[lucid olive]

it's on wago at least

haven't updated in a bit

[honest musk]

If I am doing highest keys on bear, I usually do my own key as boomkin

For example I have resi 14, I do 15-16 as bear and 14 as boomkin since it’s my own key anyways, I can wait for tank

[lofty depot]

Well maybe u can become big mythic raider

[honest musk]

If I manage my resource better, why not 😄

[jade flume]

You can check out jundies profile for plater too

its pretty popular

[analog moat]

Would recommend platynator and his profile over plater. It

It's nicert and cleaner IMO.

[lofty depot]

He has his profile on both

[honest musk]

I should really track AP, it will help

checking player profiles

[round field]

1000 ap wasted is wild

holy

[honest musk]

that is like at least 5-10% more dps, right?

[lucid olive]

whats better with it

does platynator have the interrupt script

[analog moat]

I like the nameplate look better, it seems bigger I guess? And yes it does, I'm pretty sure.

[lucid olive]

idk, platynator always had issues for me

but none of it actually matters

pretty sure the interrupt script is breaking next week anyway

just gonna start using ElvUI nameplates and save myself the extra addon

[analog moat]

That sucks.

[lofty depot]

10%

[lucid olive]

blame the rwf

[honest musk]

https://wago.io/zaiOOdVa1

[lofty depot]

Which is effectively 10 full asp bars

[honest musk]

platynator seems nice, hope I'll get used to it

[lofty depot]

U see purple/pink names kill

[honest musk]

what does it mean? prio targets?

[lofty depot]

Yea elite mobs or like "captains"

[lucid olive]

caster/elite/boss etc

there's some color settings in platynator if you open the menu and click on the health bar i think

you can see in there which category they are

i'm a bit surprised they didn't ruin the caster mob identifier

but i guess they didn't bother actually labeling caster mobs

[honest musk]

here?

so how about vertial form bar xD

shift is top left (when you take bottom left ctrl as origin)
alt is right
ctrl is bottom left

I thought it'd be intuitive to position modified key buttons like this 😄

ctrl, shift, alt, similar to their position on keyboard

[tawny cloud]

@lofty depot Do you have a profil for twintops one can try out?

[tawny cloud]

Missed that one. thanks. ill look out for it

[lofty depot]

I'll @ u

Actually I think I have to dm u, cuz discord doesn't like it

[tawny cloud]

appreciate it!

[honest musk]

can i have the profile export string as well?

[lofty depot]

Yessem

[lucid olive]

https://wago.io/browse/twintops-resource-bar just upload it to wago

make it easier

[lofty depot]

Trueeeee

[analog moat]

Is there any addon ya'll use for astral power that helps you keep track? I'm constantly overcapping.

[lofty depot]

Hmm another one 🙂

[analog moat]

I've got it right here but still am very bad. Need an alert at 90 or something.

RIP WAs

[craggy sonnet]

Twintops Resource Bar that was discussed right above you, does have the ability to change color when reaching a certain threshold

[analog moat]

Oops, bad me for not reading. Thanks!

[lofty depot]

Need to look down or get the general feel of ur spells

Ur at 70 and u cast 3 wraths u should know ur about to cap

[grim crater]

im a starweaver enjoyer, but when I use rattle the damage I do is much more sustainable throughout the dungeon

I don't understand how people are utilizing star weaver so effectively and still doing high damage nunmbers compared to rattle

and the workaround shooting stars is whats getting me, like i don't understand how I can sometimes proc a lot of weaves, get my shooting stars at around 11+ seconds active, and still not do meaningufl damage

[lofty depot]

Assumption being ur not playing around it properly

But the only way to figure that out is a log or vod

[grim crater]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/3vTRrN89tbkd2c7C?fight=4 log with rattle

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/64WwRH2DyxcLgGnV?fight=2&type=damage-done log with weave

[lucid olive]

yeah hf with that one Arctic

[grim crater]

and tbh i don't know why my dmg meter says below 85k when my in game damage meter showed 95-98

maybe affixes idk, im not well versed in how logs treat external amps

[lucid olive]

wclogs count time outside of combat

also in-game damage meter is made by blizzard and wclogs is 3rd party

3rd party > made by blizzard

[analog moat]

Ooh, is that what the diff is?

[lucid olive]

every time

[grim crater]

really??

[analog moat]

Yeah, details is like 10-20k higher than wclogs.

[grim crater]

i thought it was only considering pull times