balance

[lofty depot]

uhh ok log onto alt

[desert imp]

so i am cursed? 😄

[lofty depot]

number probably big

[vital hound]

i have 2.25 rn

[lofty depot]

meh 2s

[vital hound]

thanks

[desert imp]

so i starfall the cosmo?

[lofty depot]

hmm

[lofty depot]

yes

[desert imp]

ok i was making this mistake, noted

[lofty depot]

blud u have no haste or

[vital hound]

nah thats base on wowhead

im not ingame rn

[lofty depot]

o

its not green

hm

[desert imp]

ye i am cooked

[lofty depot]

ok u see this

strive for greatness

this is not it

were casting a million wraths when 400 adds are out

[exotic perch]

filthy padder

[desert imp]

sir yes sir

[lofty depot]

this ur damage

this my damage

[lofty depot]

what the

[desert imp]

oof

[lofty depot]

they were trying to kill me

i was fighting back

[exotic perch]

its not an excuse arctic

filthy padder i swear

[lofty depot]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/891006249565552650/1468418127015706766/NVIDIA_Overlay_HixbhwEXJp.gif?ex=69e0e433&is=69df92b3&hm=294c3fe5759fe3379c38eb051d4987512e094ac1acc58ae18f8a6371aa0a3327&

wasnt even close to r1 either

was like r14

[desert imp]

so if i read the cast above, you are pre charging the starfalls vs me casting them after they spawn. Plus you just did sunfire when they are grouped and did that really late. Also you casted two starfires while i was casting casting wrath on main target

and i think its the same issue in Chimmy fight too

[lofty depot]

uhh the timeline actual time is a little wrong

i enter incarn at 404 and they spawn at 405

but nonetheless yes

im in cds when they spawn

spammed starfall 4-5 times by the time theyre in melee

[desert imp]

gotcha

thanks a lot mate, really helpful

[lofty depot]

its the same as stix essentially

except now we do even more damage with starfall

[exotic perch]

yeah its kinda silly how that is our niche

[lofty depot]

uhh do u go down first or

[exotic perch]

love sending all cds into spamming starfall

[lofty depot]

love my niche

yea love that

fuck yea

[desert imp]

no, i know that messes up my damage profile and i asked for it but they send me second

[worthy stag]

how should i sim for dungeons? patchwork wants me to tunnel haste mast but im at like 18% crit

[lofty depot]

well ur never gonna parse then so theres that

but shrug

[normal pilot]

you don't sim for m+. vibe it out or sim for boss damage

[desert imp]

thanks mate, really appreciate the insights

[lofty depot]

they have the feral go down first

after hes sent his cds

your rl might be challenged

[worthy stag]

hoooly

[lofty depot]

under no circumstances are you incarning the horror here

[fickle pier]

Gotta preheat the oven

[desert imp]

he was not dying 🙁

[lofty depot]

idc

tell ur rat fuck RL to kill it

[neat horizon]

lmao

[lofty depot]

i need u to press foe correctly

damn only 2 vaelgors in raid

what the helly

[pseudo merlin]

you cant dps when you're corrupted

gotta remove that shi

[lofty depot]

hmm

[lofty depot]

why we getting canceled

u know the knock is coming

cast more wraths into it

or save a surge

what hte helly

and yea u sent incarn at 2m when no adds spawn

so if u care about your parse ur losing dam

[pseudo merlin]

I feel like at this point it's just you in this conversation

[frozen beacon]

For M+ are we liking Rattle the stars or Starweaver more

[ember dock]

Im dumb, but what was wrong about that foe cast?

[lucid olive]

yeah it does become that after a while

[craggy sonnet]

Press it before trees

[digital berry]

dont wanna waste gcd inside incarn on foe

[lucid olive]

FoE just a good way to earn some AP

[ember dock]

Im indeed dumb since I am german and a brainfart made me think FoE was trees...but yeah...fury of elune. I better go to sleep. sorry boys 😄

[dense steeple]

Dont apologize to us

Apologize to your raid and do better

[desert imp]

noted, many mistake. Good insight and will work on it

[dense steeple]

(You're here asking for help so thats more than a lot of people do)

[vocal parcel]

My stats are currently
Mastery: 867
Haste: 749
Crit: 867
Vers: 0

My sims are saying all the time that i need more crit and mastery.

Do we not aim for mastery > haste > crit
Or is it serious: Mastery > Crit > Haste?

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/awcifBZPwVSWJE3YZZ7mSU

[dense steeple]

We need to not aim for assuming what the past priority was is the priority now

You do need more mastery

[lofty depot]

sim thinks u ahve enough haste

[digital berry]

i have less mastery then him lmao

sheee

[dense steeple]

cant relate

[lofty depot]

whats your sim number

[dull dust]

how much avoidance does this give

only log i found with it it doesnt have a buff and guestimate was like 100

[dense steeple]

idk

97

[lofty depot]

smh not 6 digits

[lofty depot]

couldnt relate

[dense steeple]

im inting

[lofty depot]

holy

[dull dust]

report

[dense steeple]

havent crafted this week either

[lofty depot]

i didnt either cuz legs was better crest send

[dense steeple]

nice

progging H Lura tonight? xd

[lofty depot]

waste of time

go kill cosmos

[dense steeple]

havent pulled paladins tho

[lofty depot]

go kil that then

what the helly

[dense steeple]

idk i just push my buttons

[leaden birch]

omg so this whole time I've not been putting in my character name when copying timers from loorgs

now I understand why nsrt wouldn't load properly

[pseudo merlin]

[leaden birch]

[desert imp]

so its dots>foe>Trees>incarn>dump?

[lofty depot]

yes

[desert imp]

thanks

[nova mountain]

does vortex work on the twin dragons adds?

[cedar lark]

i have a one hand and off hand. i am currently using acuity of the Ren'dorei for my one hand. what enchant should i be using for my off-hand?

[pseudo merlin]

offhand enchants arent a thing

[drifting nova]

toxic wtf

[lofty depot]

u trying to troll your raid or

[lofty depot]

sim it for main no?

[pseudo merlin]

huh

[drifting nova]

went to go get sulphur blades forgot you need 48slay smh

[lofty depot]

thats a hacker sim

[cedar lark]

siming just tells me about main hand enchant

[lofty depot]

well yea theres not an oh one

[pseudo merlin]

I'm so confused

[cedar lark]

got it

[lofty depot]

blud thinks were melee

[drifting nova]

hi so confused

[pseudo merlin]

maybe he's a warrior

what do you mean got it

i told you right away

what is this discrimination against white names

where's deux

im making a complaint

[drifting nova]

imagine playing a dirty dw melee spec

[digital berry]

whats the play with vanguard and silences

[drifting nova]

not even in the clan wtf

[pseudo merlin]

dont get silenced

[lofty depot]

why u getting silenced

[drifting nova]

pray and bend

[dense steeple]

holy

[digital berry]

i got silenced randomly like twice in 50 pulls

[pseudo merlin]

kekkers what relic second

[digital berry]

not the shield silence

[pseudo merlin]

its not random buddy

[digital berry]

i mean i know its not

[pseudo merlin]

stop hitting the girl when she's ulting

[digital berry]

am i suppsoed to not cast starfalls or stand in narnia during that?

[pseudo merlin]

yes

[lofty depot]

did u use the wrong talents

[digital berry]

just pulled them from wclogs

oh

i am running wrong talents

shit

[lofty depot]

wow crazy

[drifting nova]

you think I know? I still have a steel hally 12hours in

[pseudo merlin]

[drifting nova]

but I went forager

hotstep isnt bad

if you hate agility

[pseudo merlin]

im thinking hotstep

but

idk

[drifting nova]

forager for herbs seemed good

but I'm just dumb

rather reset relics than pacts ngl

[pseudo merlin]

you reckon the auto ore smelter just smelts without coal?

that sounds op

[delicate perch]

There’s no way you’re asking kekkers for advice

[drifting nova]

no only primary ore

so yes

[pseudo merlin]

no only primary ore so yes

???????

[drifting nova]

me no read gud

yes

mith, addy, rune

[pseudo merlin]

ah

so not steel

cuz the game wont know what to do

[drifting nova]

yeah prob just regular iron

maybe coal does work idk

[pseudo merlin]

oh right

[drifting nova]

maybe coal does steel

[pseudo merlin]

maybe coal is steel

[digital berry]

bro some of these shields + hamer combos are insane, undodgeable shit

[pseudo merlin]

[drifting nova]

..just found out why I cant train attack, halberds have no attack option wtf

holy god

its shared

[pseudo merlin]

brother never played the game before

[drifting nova]

not with a silly halberd no

[pseudo merlin]

its amost like spears and hallies have always worked that way

[drifting nova]

about as commonly trained with as a pure trains with a goblin launcher

(all the attack options are defence)

[delicate perch]

Have you tried dodging them?

[pseudo merlin]

its undodgeable

how can you dodge

[drifting nova]

just reroll a good class, one that is melee

[delicate perch]

Just close your eyes or

[drifting nova]

feel the groove

[digital berry]

some rng configs literally are not dodgeable

big soaks + personal dispell means you cannot move around or people will bitch

[pseudo merlin]

bear form?

[digital berry]

not enough without an external or barkskin in those situations

[delicate perch]

Do what any self respecting boomkin does

And bench yourself on the boss

@vital hound

[drifting nova]

reroll arms

do big dam

[dense steeple]

i really

do not think heroic lura is hard

[drifting nova]

as they are higher ilvl are they harder than void or

only done norm so

[dense steeple]

theres like 6 mechanics

[drifting nova]

then again I died on normal like 4x

[untold eagle]

is starfall still 2+ or is it 3 now?

[drifting nova]

so

[digital berry]

it was 3+ now its 2+

[drifting nova]

twas always 2

[untold eagle]

ty c:

[teal sphinx]

@delicate perch

but i dont wanna talk about it

[dense steeple]

bout time

grats budfdy

[teal sphinx]

one of our tanks legit didnt show up yesterday

[dense steeple]

one of our tanks is sat for this fight

[teal sphinx]

and didnt say anything so we had to reclear with another guildie tanking

so took a bit longer

[delicate perch]

Talk about it

[teal sphinx]

lets just say

[delicate perch]

Bout time while you’re pulling paladins

[delicate perch]

It do be what it do be

[lofty depot]

where folty

u guys 2 tanked it

holy

[teal sphinx]

yea

dude i fucking whispered him like 3 times

to make our dk swap

but wcyd

[lofty depot]

thats me r1 all day with 2 tank man

yall let a ret max dps with negative grips

tahts insane

[teal sphinx]

kinda pissed

but folty hates me

so

[lofty depot]

ur havoc trolled his r1

sorry havoc

imagine playing the wrong spec right now kek

[teal sphinx]

well he hates it, and smokes as havoc

so its like

who cares

[lofty depot]

mme i care

[dense steeple]

im not even doing that

[vital hound]

unfortunately im now a self-disrespecting hunter

[teal sphinx]

i knew you would eventually swap

good for you

[vital hound]

(just for beloron)

[teal sphinx]

[vital hound]

next project is live

[teal sphinx]

[lucid olive]

ew

[pseudo merlin]

@drifting nova am I crazy, I feel like it's really hard to justify not taking forager

where else do you get herbs

[vital hound]

i need someone to discover

afk leveling tech

NOW

[delicate perch]

Heroic?

[drifting nova]

my reasoning too but then how do you do agi

[delicate perch]

There’s no way, grow up

[pseudo merlin]

what do you need it for

[vital hound]

[pseudo merlin]

like genuinely

[pseudo merlin]

its my first league so

i dont see how its important?

[teal sphinx]

Catch-up available

[vital hound]

[delicate perch]

Yeah I’m stealing that

[vital hound]

its so good

[dense steeple]

back to kill dragons

[delicate perch]

Show difficulty

[dense steeple]

its heroic

[delicate perch]

[dense steeple]

related

[feral crest]

I want to roll a boomkin alt

Good or bad idea?

[pseudo merlin]

bad

@drifting nova dude you can barb fish with endless harvest for agi

[dense steeple]

DH mog on fleek now

[lucid olive]

wtf are those

[pseudo merlin]

brother

why are your feet blue

youre cutting off circulation

[lofty depot]

i need those

[leaden birch]

is he dual wielding naaru?

[hardy spruce]

Check out my new Elune's Chosen macro, lol:

/use [known:429523]Starfire;Wrath

[uncut roost]

Weird looking moonkin

[dense steeple]

my dragons parse was griefed!

at 6minutes i was doing 195k and our tanks just threw glooms in wrong spots and people inted!

i will never recover from this betrayal

[knotty cairn]

do you still eclipse during opener if you lust on pull?

or should you just hit CA instead

[dense steeple]

no

i inted my dragons

rip me

[digital berry]

you dont really need to eclipse on opener anymore unless you 100% want to delay cds anyway

[lofty depot]

i got inted on my pally r1

and then i int later and it looks worse

but eclipsing in the opener for that is better

[dull dust]

brother ew

pally

[lofty depot]

r1 bursted 9k lower

which is funny cuz he also had 1 hunter and not 3

mustve gotten giga procs

[knotty cairn]

so i just hit CA

did the raid on normal/heroic and it seems like delaying cds is just griefing on those modes

[lofty depot]

on opener ye

[knotty cairn]

ty

[fair pasture]

staff buddies : O

this months tradiong post has an offhand thats a birdhouse

which makes me want mh/oh about 300x more

[digital berry]

whats the macro to turn into bear and use hotw

[delicate mica]

I just got a myth 1 h but already have a 2h craft. Should i craft off hand with hunt or craft a regular off piece with no embellishment and wait on next time we can craft for the offhand

[lofty depot]

#showtooltip Heart of the Wild
/cast [nostance:1] Bear Form
/cast Heart of the Wild

[lofty depot]

sim it

[digital berry]

thanks babes

[lucid olive]

Why do you have that

You don't press defensives

[lofty depot]

stfu rat

[hollow mist]

[dense steeple]

@digital berry i did not see you brother

lol

[dull dust]

likely ban evader

[dense steeple]

that was a guy under him asking to sell me stream bots

[dull dust]

ah

[digital berry]

what did i do now

[dense steeple]

nothing

i just felt bad that yoiu said hello and i was too locked in to see

[cloud citrus]

at least it isnt an agi staff and you can just say you were trolling

[digital berry]

who thought it was a good idea to have a 8 minute long fucking fight at 6/9

[lofty depot]

fun fight what u mean

[digital berry]

its exhausting

[dense steeple]

someone deadass said its because of embellishment

[lofty depot]

old

[cloud citrus]

rofl

[digital berry]

It’s legit 8 minutes of anxiety

I feel like a Gen Z

Watching cocomelon

With all these proc and shit on my screen

[fair pasture]

Def a lot going on

I get like 15 fps on crown : (

[dense steeple]

i know how to fix that

[lofty depot]

time to grow down old man

holy fuck

just wait til lura

[digital berry]

At least we don’t play starweaver ec on lura

That’s literally half of the anxiety

[lofty depot]

what

[fair pasture]

Why play EC on crown

That sounds terrible

[digital berry]

All the fucking procs and the anxiety on not cancelling casts to not fuck up foe cd

Hmm?

[lofty depot]

crown isnt 6

[digital berry]

Im talking bout vanguard

[lofty depot]

pally is

[fair pasture]

Oh lol

[lofty depot]

but how u have anxiety about casting a 2s spell

blud is trolling on jah

[digital berry]

Bro why you pretending you don’t understand what I’m talking about for clout

[fair pasture]

Regardless, there's an interview with the people who made it right here: https://youtu.be/Lmx_GPGC2u8?si=pWhnvkoXU3rrwTvt

[digital berry]

Max jumpscare

[lofty depot]

cuz im bored laying in bed

[digital berry]

Lmao

[lofty depot]

wow who is that

[fair pasture]

Two raid designers

And max and Scott

[lofty depot]

smh

[digital berry]

A thousand procs, sitting on max asp, 35 things flying toward you, 2 seconds casts, 8 minutes long fight, everything almost oneshots you

Fun

[lofty depot]

im terminally online i watched it live

[fair pasture]

Hell yeah

[lofty depot]

well u have procs so who cares?

cast them

nothing one shots actually

[fair pasture]

Was that in response to me and also a fr comment

[digital berry]

Hence the almost

[fair pasture]

Cause I would love if that was fixed

[lofty depot]

not even almost

[digital berry]

One shield is 80-90%

[lofty depot]

the only thing thats close is getting shield + soak on the weird line ups but u should be casting hotw there

[digital berry]

Unmitigated

[lofty depot]

why are we unmitigating it

can we locken

[fair pasture]

Are you saying lock in with an accent or something

My brain doesn't know how to read that

[digital berry]

I don’t usually plan on getting hit by a shield hidden underneath the other 12 yellow projectiles and animations flying Around

[lofty depot]

u know like when u have someone insane u want to keep in a closet

[fair pasture]

....yes?

[lofty depot]

theyre lockeden

[digital berry]

Im using bark skin on soaks when I also have dispell

It’s a rough fight overall probably my least favorite ever

[lofty depot]

hotw the 227 and 5m soaks

bark for fun kinda

if ur scared pre bear the shield thing

[digital berry]

All of that with 20 fps at best

[fair pasture]

Paladins does also butcher my fps

[lofty depot]

pc diff

time to get a new one

[dense steeple]

yes and no in that order

[lofty depot]

or go do some ellesmere or luckyone ui stuff

[digital berry]

I literally just got a new one 2 years ago, just wasn’t expensive

[dense steeple]

or is it yes and yes

[lofty depot]

if its not an x3d it wasnt worth it

[digital berry]

It is

[dense steeple]

no shot

bro i sit no less than 200 in raid

[digital berry]

Bro my pc was 1k

[lofty depot]

i barely hit 20 fps on vaelgor

[dense steeple]

and im also chugging fucking 25 chrome tabs

[fair pasture]

I'm sub 20fps on almost every fight

[lofty depot]

my pc was 2k and it doesnt hit below 30 ever

[digital berry]

Yeah that’s like.. double what mine was

[dense steeple]

the way to fix it is to visit this place called "Microcenter"

[digital berry]

I do also have Elvui and too many things open

[lofty depot]

double the frames apparently

maybe close chrome silly

[fair pasture]

Idk what a micro center is but if it's a PC shop rip

[digital berry]

I really should

[dense steeple]

also streaming

wallpaper engine with animated wallpaper

4 monitors

[digital berry]

RAID graphics already lowest across the board

[lofty depot]

blud reading larias guide week 5

[dense steeple]

im not even gonna be done with hero crests this week like he said to be

[lofty depot]

smh unluggi

[dense steeple]

100 hero crests and 150 myth crests make it work

[lofty depot]

not getting myth loot smh

[dense steeple]

yea

[lofty depot]

i took sockey week 1 and still got it

[dense steeple]

we got our first vaelgors drop today

[lofty depot]

must be nice

[dense steeple]

let me clarify

first vaelgors across all difficulties since season start

[lofty depot]

oo

[dense steeple]

we send it here right

[lofty depot]

jeez

[dense steeple]

bedge time

1 am

ope

[nimble tangle]

Why did I apply tier glove in my guild run

I am stupid

[dull dust]

yes

[stone ledge]

We just finished hero crests today pov

[meager storm]

https://tenor.com/view/ohne-pixel-67-gif-1548079966599215122

we were wiping on purpose so we could get 67 pulls

[lilac citrus]

will this make us play Meteorites ?

[meager storm]

u do play meteorites on some bosses already

paladins and dragons

[lofty depot]

i play it on cosmos

and u wont stop me

[meager storm]

sure man

[lofty depot]

the fuck this dh just say

[meager storm]

copying my whole flow word for word bar for bar

[dense steeple]

Nah yours is better bigdog

Now let me sleep

[meager storm]

[hollow mist]

holy peak

[meager storm]

lakerz approval

[royal zenith]

Generic dh mog or

[livid jay]

gm boomers

[nimble tangle]

i even play EC on fallen king already

not bad ngl

[livid jay]

what

ec on saladhar mythic?

[vagrant skiff]

Not sure if discussed earlier, but I just noticed that balance druids all forms have roughly 7% less haste than no form? Roughly 0.1-0.2s per cast(tooltip). That's wild.

[jaunty blaze]

Yeah that's normal

[pallid bay]

me when talents

🤯

[jaunty blaze]

🕊️ 🥀

[royal zenith]

who need haste when you got crit

[livid jay]

every form has its inherited benefits

[royal zenith]

bro trynna sound like a scholar

[livid jay]

no form is also a form and gets more hasste

[royal zenith]

it's just a game brooo

[jaunty blaze]

🤓

[livid jay]

scholar

bro this is anime talk

inherited technique

domain expansion celestial alignment

[royal zenith]

does each form have guaranteed hit?

if not, don't @ me

[jaunty blaze]

@royal zenith cause confused

[royal zenith]

[livid jay]

would be funny if like once a tier you could force a raidwide animation domain expansion style when u pop a major cd

https://tenor.com/view/blinkless-planets-space-gif-26329546

https://tenor.com/view/planets-070shake-guilty-conscience-outer-space-aligned-gif-18502145

https://tenor.com/view/boomkin-dance-keule-druide-gif-26294211

[jaunty blaze]

Instant server crash

Look at him dancing absolutely shameless

[warm briar]

Instant server crash, then they nerf boomkins by 75% as punishment. Then it turns out they accidentally nerfed frost dk instead

[wraith arch]

Daamn, shit must go hard when ur 12

[pure bear]

I see the top balance going hard in crit now, what's the idea behind it? Same for Raiding?

[livid jay]

ok

random front

sure

[livid jay]

crit good

sim char

sim says crit good

take crit

we have a lot of ap gen in cd's atm and we also have a lot of instant casts. all of that devalues haste

[pure bear]

Hmm okay thanks, i need to improve at simming. What are you simming, stat weights?

[delicate perch]

Daamn, shit must go hard when ur 12

[delicate perch]

absolutely not

[fossil hemlock]

Extremely ironic considering your server tag

[livid jay]

i would really like to understand the process that brought you to the idea of simming stat weights 😄

[pure bear]

I've always simmed for like vault drops etc, but always taken stat prios etc from just websites tbh. Was taking a look at the options before asking that ^^

[delicate perch]

the effort it would take to correctly gear from stat weights would be so insane

[royal zenith]

80085

ecksdee

[livid jay]

ok so yea simming stat weights and using them is really bad because they dont make any sense in wow
the stats you want on your character depend on the gear you currently have and the talents you are running
so the "stat weights" will change with every single item you equip/unequip
the correct way to sim is to do a "top gear" sim where you choose all gear you think is viable. That way raidbots generates all combinations for you and sims all of them

[delicate perch]

XDD

[pure bear]

Makes sense, cheers!

[livid jay]

it also says that on raidbots and thats why statweights is also hidden as "legacy tools" nowadays

[obsidian tapir]

anyone knows if for example I killed chaemerussy in the past and I get vault from voidspire 4/8 will there be chaemerus loot in the vault as well ?

[livid jay]

from what i heard its bound by raid cleared in the week

but thats hearsay

[fossil hemlock]

When you kill a boss you unlock that bosses loot in vault

Which bosses you kill for vault doesn't matter for loot AFAIK

Same principle as m+ or open world content, you get from the whole suite, not just prey or delves if you only did one

[livid jay]

yea but its different raids right

[fossil hemlock]

Shouldn't matter

[craggy sonnet]

how would you know

[livid jay]

u know anyone that got chimaerus loot without clearing it that week?

[craggy sonnet]

unless there is strict evidence in either direction

they just never clarified how it'd work

[fossil hemlock]

How did it work in fated seasons?

You had all 3 raids unlocked, no?

[atomic sequoia]

the only thing they havent fully clarified is how if you skip a boss you still get loot unlocked for your vault

[fossil hemlock]

Every vault

So there is actually precedence for it already

I expect it to work identically to fated seasons

Because anything else would be nuts

Why spend time on system when you have a functioning one already?

[craggy sonnet]

idk they make random system changes all the time

presumably because they think it to be an improvement

and it might very well be the same as you expect

but expection =/= reality necessarily

though i also dont think its split but 🤷

[trail vale]

why do we play ce over convocation? dont really get why

feels like i get a huge dmg loss playing ce

[jaunty blaze]

Because there isn't really one pure st fight

You can play convoke if you want to tho

[trail vale]

yeah it does feel smother for me to play with convoke but im not getting over purple logs

also in m+ i feel like doing shitty dmg always under 120k overall dps

[obsidian tapir]

I am testing it I didnt got any chimaerus loot and I skipped that boss 2 weeks

[zealous otter]

Did was the SF buff enough to make it SF on 2 targets?

[zealous otter]

🙏

[sharp cairn]

Has any one experimented with just going grove?

In m+ that is

For low keys ect. I feel like shit just dies 2 quick

[compact musk]

New to Balance Druid. Is there an Elune’s Chosen build that’s got a good balance of AoE and single target that I can play to learn the class and branch out from there once I’m ready for the nuance of when to Wrath vs when to Starfire?

(Also, trying to keep my actions per minute down due to pain in my hand from playing my Fury Warrior. 😬)

I’m not opposed to complexity, but I do want to gradually ramp it up.

[drifting nova]

when to starfire? all the time

delete wrath from the bar

same way for kotg but delete starfire

you only use 1 of them

[craggy sonnet]

ignore kekkers

[drifting nova]

https://tenor.com/view/hannibal-buress-right-booing-gif-13861878

[slender island]

EC m+ build does pretty well in ST in my experience, i just generally swap shrooms for wolf and blast; but if you're low for a spec with low apm there are probably better choices (mm hunter, ww monk, evoker...)

[drifting nova]

using wrath outside of eclipse is the rotation version of cancelmaxing starlord

dont encourage it

[livid jay]

yea i always play keeper in 10s and 12s

[drifting nova]

pull bigger

[craggy sonnet]

its not nearly the same

[drifting nova]

EC is better in ST than AOE ngl

[livid jay]

using wrath outside eclipse is just pure bliss

[drifting nova]

no, it is

[compact musk]

In Elune, yeah. I meant that when you’re on single target in Grove spec, you’re going to be using Wrath in single target.

[livid jay]

not gonna farm that ap with wet noodle starfires

[drifting nova]

its illogical and only done for the 0.1% damage you supposedly gain

[livid jay]

nah, starfire just feels awful

[drifting nova]

EC = Starfire, KOTG = Wrath

[compact musk]

Oh? This is news to me.

[craggy sonnet]

ec is capable of good st .. there are just a few talents you'd swap based on what the expected target count is.
but ec is also harder to perform with in raid to some degree, since the longer cast times mean that your positioning and movement is much more relevant to ensure not cancelling too many casts

[drifting nova]

the giga cringers will say out of ec elcipse wrath is better (it's like 0.1% more dam)

but 9/10 that will change so the muscle memory might aswell be learned now

and not do it

[craggy sonnet]

yeah. it is more than that

[drifting nova]

next patch god willing its a dps loss

[craggy sonnet]

and starfire also feels worse to press

so like

idek what you are babbling about

[drifting nova]

you're a tree lover ofcourse you'd say that

if the opposite was true youd still do it

you'd starfire in aoe kotg

for 0.1%

[craggy sonnet]

sure but that is not the point

[drifting nova]

it is

[craggy sonnet]

no

[drifting nova]

IF IT DIDNT DO 0.1% MORE YOU WOULDNT DO IT

hence why its illogical

and why blizzard cant balance hero specs for shit

[craggy sonnet]

it doing more dmg does not contradict wrath feeling decent to press either way

[compact musk]

So much conflicting info. 😅

[drifting nova]

99% of people can and should just use starfire in ec and wrath in kotg

pretend they are hero talent restricted

[craggy sonnet]

thats just brainrot

wrath is not at all prioritized by kotg

there you do st builderr in st and aoe builder in aoe

you could argue that the cutoffs for actual target counts are odd

but

[slender island]

i am def an EC fan and agree 100% with clankz here that, regardless of dmg diff (to some degree ofc), it just feels horrible to press starfire outside of ecl

[craggy sonnet]

wrath and starfire are part of the base kit

[drifting nova]

having playing fury itd be like using thunderclap over rend in arms last xpac (it was cheaper rage wise for the same effect)

yet was unintended build wise

[drifting nova]

well yeah starfire is piss weak both cast wise and damage wise, the starfall buff is evident they want starfall to be king

[slender island]

but it does feel pretty good-ish to send starfire with UE

[craggy sonnet]

sure, they likely did not intend for you to wrath outside of eclipse. but its just not really an issue. doesnt feel worse to press and also not some crazy mental load

[drifting nova]

starfire IS weak

wrath is not

[craggy sonnet]

in what way

[drifting nova]

as individual abilities without enhancements

cast time for one (previously fixed with a haste buff either from talents or tier)

[craggy sonnet]

you dont even know why wrath pulls ahead

[drifting nova]

haste innit

[craggy sonnet]

well no

its all about the talents

[slender island]

more chances for the free surges i guess?

[craggy sonnet]

its more ap per second due to wild surges giving flat value to both and dryads dance for kotg doubly affecting wrath (not sure if they fixed that actually)

its more chances at UE and cosmos procs as well

[slender island]

big

[craggy sonnet]

both do piss dmg outside eclipse

[drifting nova]

wheres the post eclipse haste

should just call it empowerment at this point

[craggy sonnet]

you mean elunes challenge?

[drifting nova]

sure..

but its dog

hell that duo option is entirely dog

[craggy sonnet]

NG actually simming decent for ec st

[drifting nova]

yet to ec st, found my place with convoke

even if ec st do you still starfire

[craggy sonnet]

in ecl 🙂

[drifting nova]

cousin of wcl?

[clever heart]

I tried to move some UI, now my tracked bars and cast bar is gone. how do i reset these to move them agian?

This blizz UI is an absolute pain in the ass

[livid jay]

its not THAT bad

better cooldown manager makes it nicer tho

[clever heart]

is there a way to reset castbar and tracked bars, so i can find them on my screen? i have BCM

[livid jay]

if you are using bcdm, type /bcdm and then there should be an options window for each of those where you can enter x and y coordinates/offsets

[bleak junco]

I like Elune and I like Starfire 😄

[livid jay]

cat trying to rp as boomkin

[bleak junco]

Damn i got outed

[livid jay]

#feral ...

[junior stirrup]

is it worth for me to craft hands or not this week? we are extending until cosmos is dead now, so no gear except myth vault

i have crafted waist with arcanoweave, and 2h with hunt rn 🙂

[livid jay]

crafting hands is not bis gear long term

[lofty depot]

Well u sim.againat items u get from vault still

[livid jay]

do u need dmg now then sim

[junior stirrup]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/rcVU6mzuEGG466uuGbZQUB

this is what i tried to sim rn

instead of upgrading trinkets, it suggest crafting ring and removing arcano

but that seems "wrong"

[lofty depot]

U could sim having the better neck and rings

[livid jay]

man my gear is so trash im 2-3 ilvl higher and simming 2-3k less xD

[bleak junco]

Meow meow i mean kakaw kakaw

[livid jay]

u sure u dont mean woof woof

[junior stirrup]

is that the set rings from m+? not up to speed

[bleak junco]

That’s shamans

[lofty depot]

Well more or less u should be simming droptomizer and figuring out what items do sim better

[junior stirrup]

oh ye i see

then resimming crafting with those items added in also

[lofty depot]

When did u acquire myth bracer

[junior stirrup]

1st week from vault sadly

only good option

[lofty depot]

Hm

[junior stirrup]

I got 5 weapons and a wrist when i crafted 2h basically

5 1hs i mean

lol

terrible luck

[lofty depot]

Well 1h early season isn't crest efficient

So it's not like u wouldve taken that anyway

[junior stirrup]

exactly ye thats why i took wrists

and crafted a waist with embel

but not really sdure what to do now

[lofty depot]

But yea having gaze not upgraded over wrist is sussy

[junior stirrup]

oh i just got gaze yday

[lofty depot]

Is w.e I just noticed it and thought it was funny

[junior stirrup]

wrists were already cranked

[livid jay]

buckie can u bless me

i need your luck tonight

[junior stirrup]

im the raid leader so i tend to not get much gear from raid early on as my dps will tank more than others kinda thing

i got gaze yday in vault though

[lofty depot]

But uhhh, yea it's week 5 or some shit, and u don't have full m+ bis items

Should get on that

[livid jay]

fuck that

just play the game

[junior stirrup]

for sure yeah

[livid jay]

pad fiesta dogshit raid

[junior stirrup]

do i aim for set rings?

the twilight dev ones

[lofty depot]

Did u sim it yet

[junior stirrup]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hqbP8u1U8Ztavx4Y26sogv

heres my droptimiser

hero 6/6

[livid jay]

do a topgear where u have both rings too

[junior stirrup]

sure sec

[clever heart]

What is the name of these "tracked bars" in bettercooldownmanager?

[craggy sonnet]

bcdm doesnt have bars still i think

so you just gotta do with the default

(bcdm also not anything special)

[lofty depot]

The bars are yucky anyway

Icons >

[clever heart]

I do like bars on starlord and eclipse, but i cannot reset the screen location anywhere.

[lofty depot]

If the set rings are our best ones at mythic, surely they're the best on heroic too. And then u can sim it against crafts. The pit neck also good, but it's a 0.3%-0.5% depending on the neck u already have

[lofty depot]

Did u have it checked in edit mode

Also when using bcdm, u need to move it with the x/y coords in bcdm

Cuz it's overriding the base location

[craggy sonnet]

bcdm doesnt do shit with the bars

man

or?

[livid jay]

😄

[lofty depot]

Well it does work still

[livid jay]

ye

[junior stirrup]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/mX2HcgPUrhkif43SFtpVJR

[livid jay]

no

[lofty depot]

I just don't use it

[livid jay]

bcdm doesnt move the bars

[royal zenith]

think you can make our own bars

[lofty depot]

It'll show up for u

[royal zenith]

and icons

[livid jay]

cant make own bars unless its been added very recently

[lofty depot]

It should still show up for u

[livid jay]

can make own icons tho

yes in edit mode

[craggy sonnet]

i think the issue is that he somehow managed to move it out of bounds of the screen

and cant recover it

[lofty depot]

Well I did say in edit mode lol

[clever heart]

bars are no where to be found. i tried to move them mid raid and they dissapeared

[junior stirrup]

so it seems i should just upgrade trinket

instead of cragting anything

[livid jay]

try to move all tracked bars out of your tracked bars and move them back in

[craggy sonnet]

its just gonna be off screen somewhere

gotta move it via chat command or something

[lofty depot]

Prob

[livid jay]

maybe fake some crazy ui scale

[clever heart]

its off screen somewhere with my cast bar

having a lovely date

[livid jay]

😄

this game is so shit

[lofty depot]

I mean he does use that timeline shit

[lofty depot]

Well u can move the castbar in bcdm

Just move the x/y coords

[craggy sonnet]

if he uses bcdm cast bar

[clever heart]

I made a new BCDM cast bar.

[royal zenith]

I would just do what arctic says

[lofty depot]

Looking at his fuggn UI, it looks like he uses about 4 addons

[royal zenith]

usually the anchor is bad + coordinates

fiddle around with that first..

[livid jay]

try setting your ui scale to 0.1 maybe it brings it back on screen so u can move it

[lofty depot]

So I assumed he used bcdm cast bar lol

[lofty depot]

Is a good idea aswell

[clever heart]

i deleted all addoons and cache, interface and wtf folder to try figure this out

[craggy sonnet]

anyone logged in to check the frame name of the tracked bars?

can try with this if you know the name

https://wowwiki-archive.fandom.com/wiki/API_Region_SetPoint

[lofty depot]

Well I don't think edit mode location stuff is addon information

[craggy sonnet]

you can ofc just reset your edit mode profile

but then its all gone (position stuff etc)

[livid jay]

try what i said mranch im curious if it works

[craggy sonnet]

via /fstack

[livid jay]

not home to check 🙁

[clever heart]

put UI scale to 65%

[livid jay]

oh u cant put it lower lol

then yea

[craggy sonnet]

addons can

[livid jay]

try the clankz way but that means someone needs to check the name of that frame for u

[pallid bay]

they are taken from a pool

[craggy sonnet]

surely there is a parent anchor frame

[pallid bay]

yeah i mean u can identify them

but not through name

[craggy sonnet]

im confused

theres gotta be an anchor frame with a static name, no?

[lofty depot]

Blud has a curved monitor or

[livid jay]

ya

maybe the bars are behind him

[pallid bay]

i didnt scroll up for context

[craggy sonnet]

ah

[clever heart]

i miss Weakaura for this kind of sheit

[craggy sonnet]

ah, ye its just someone lost their tracked bars edit mode frame out of bounds

and we are trying to recover via SetPoint

but need the anchor frame name for that

not interested in any individial bar names

[lofty depot]

We could however just not used tracked bars as stated cuz theyre ugly

Mmmhm mmhm

[royal zenith]

nobody cares about your opinion arctic

this is called trouble shooting

sit down please

[lofty depot]

The only trouble I'll shoot is u

[royal zenith]

[lofty depot]

Lil gup

[craggy sonnet]

@clever heart actually you can just check yourself. make a new edit mode layout

[livid jay]

operation save this guys buff bars

[craggy sonnet]

enable cdm

[clever heart]

i got them

[craggy sonnet]

and then type in /fstack to hover over the tracked bars frame

[livid jay]

yea but now everything is reset

we can probably get them back in your own profile

if u do what clankz says

[craggy sonnet]

if you didnt care about the positioning of the rest of your stuff, you could have reset your layout from the beginning

[clever heart]

i can easily just move everything back agian. my UI is not that complicated atm. i just moved from elvui a few weeks back

[craggy sonnet]

bruh

[livid jay]

i hate when u get invested into fixing someones problem via nerd ways and then they bail out

😄

[lofty depot]

Yea how dare the default ui-er go back to default

Unbelievable

[craggy sonnet]

[royal zenith]

getting rid of elvui

good decision

[lofty depot]

He's got their weird profile, it's like 3rd down.... Probably delete that one too

[clever heart]

i deleted all addoons and settings to fry find those bars

[lofty depot]

Yea those bars be fried

[twin lotus]

HOLY SHIT

It's resto druid changes, this is a bait

[royal zenith]

[lofty depot]

Wow ur holy 24 hours late or something

[twin lotus]

[sudden flame]

[dense steeple]

My bosses car got obliterated in a hailstorm last night and wont be in for the rest of the week. Might just not come in friday

[clever heart]

Thank you for the help with UI.

[dense steeple]

Youre welcome

[drifting nova]

why would you do this

[lofty depot]

Sounds premeditated

[dense steeple]

To play wow?

[lofty depot]

What are we playing wow for?

Log off

[livid jay]

yea

[lofty depot]

Gearing over

[livid jay]

look outside

touch grass

this weather is crazy

[lofty depot]

How u touch grass if ur just looking outside silly

[dense steeple]

Pushing io for bullshit blizzard bar raise

[lofty depot]

Go outside

[dense steeple]

Also I aint goin outside

The storm ripped my bosses house apart too lmao

[lofty depot]

Oh sheesh 16s big hard yea

[dense steeple]

All of those windows are cracked or shattered, all of those holes from the storm too

[lofty depot]

"apart"

[livid jay]

where is this

[lofty depot]

Ohio

[jaunty blaze]

Ohiomaxxing

[livid jay]

american houses...

[lofty depot]

Now he can get new siding

Insurance ezpz

[dense steeple]

Tru

His insurance says not to drivehis car on the highway or his windshield will shatter 🙂

Feelsbad because brand new 2025

[shut orbit]

Hello new to boomkin/range (former feral) and doing pretty terrible. Was looking at logs for mythic chimarerus and everyone has starfall way up on their damage (obviously because of the adds) in my group the adds evaporate before even getting them dotted even if i have starfall already going. Any thoughts or advice?

[dense steeple]

Focus boss dam

If they get obliterated dont try to pad, do effective dam

[lofty depot]

Well u don't dot them tbf

But also, every week u do more and more damage eventually someones not gonna do damage to them

[jolly delta]

armerica
n football

[dense steeple]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/891006249565552650/1473799372910104880/peanut_mm_hmm.gif

[royal zenith]

oh that's what arctic is doing

he's roleplaying a guy that roleplays a burnt peanut

[drifting nova]

wdym burnt

[royal zenith]

google it kekker

s

[lofty depot]

Mmhm mmhm

[dense steeple]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/891006249565552650/1473799372910104880/peanut_mm_hmm.gif

[ocean oriole]

@lofty depot for the tips @lucid olive for the write ups. Thanks for the help yesterday. Boomy feels a ton better. Just gotta make sure I hit my build up right and I can keep pace

[lofty depot]

How does one right up

GTA cheat code or

[lofty depot]

Crazy it took him like 3 months to figure that out no?

When I've been slamming that gif for a while lol

[dense steeple]

Theres a reason hes not purple anymore

[ocean oriole]

Very very carefully

[royal zenith]

just underlines your level of mental capabilities

same for soma in this case

but then again.. moonshine...

[lofty depot]

Sometimes u just want to turn on some silly dude and watch him do some stupid shit

Everyone watched jackass all the same

[royal zenith]

sure

but you're roleplaying the guy

LMAO

[lofty depot]

Do I stream as a peanut?

[royal zenith]

[lofty depot]

Saying some mannerisms isn't roleplaying silly

[dense steeple]

Nice delete

[tawny linden]

If adds are not a problem, boss damage > parses logs. The fight ends when the boss die, not when adds die. Look at your effective boss damage

[dense steeple]

🙂

[dire osprey]

🙂

[tawny linden]

Wanted to answer him

[dense steeple]

I figured haha

[tawny linden]

😂 😂

[dire osprey]

if i cant pad its time to wipe the raid

pay someone from other side group to run over the dh's

[lofty depot]

Show your boss damage parses so I know I'm talking to a savant

[royal zenith]

do you even know how to look up boss damage

@ arctic

[lofty depot]

Lol yes, cuz when I was showing my vaelgors people were like ermergerd padder, and then I show boss damage and wow it's still a 99 ezpz

[sudden flame]

[lofty depot]

Mmmhm mmhm

[tawny linden]

I am main resto, I am a boomer in balance channel

[lofty depot]

Do u think u don't have a boss damage parse?

Ur padding with Sunfire?

[tawny linden]

Mostly hotw

[lofty depot]

What the helly

[tawny linden]

I should pad more dps

Indeed

[dire osprey]

pretty sure mine wont be 💀

how do i sort

[drifting nova]

are the orbs on last aa boss ever getting changed

[lofty depot]

Click the damage drop down

Then select damage to bosses

[dire osprey]

ok it doesnt show number

but i am lowkey at the bottom

gg

ok found it

its not pretty

[drifting nova]

you're a padder, harry

[lofty depot]

Pad raid and boomkin can pad for once

And u want me to not pad?

[drifting nova]

I just wish woe was back

any instnat dam

and no ascendant eclipses doesnt count

actual wet noodle

[dire osprey]

ngl that 100% starfall talent goes hard af

[drifting nova]

but its still slow

for anything that instantly dies

[compact musk]

This is still the case this expansion. They’re adding Rend to Enhanced Whirlwind too in 12.0.5, so it’ll be even more true next week.

But yeah, I get the comparison. Thanks.

[drifting nova]

I too have given up fury from the spammy rsi nature, always liked arms tho so

[stone ledge]

Resto pad = a wet napkin

[dire osprey]

yea i guess it depends how many padders u goti