balance

[lofty depot]

It's not 5% so

[royal zenith]

has like zero effect

[lofty depot]

We're also slower than others

[royal zenith]

[lofty depot]

Other people don't 260+ mill on p2

We doing like 240

[royal zenith]

what boss are you on

[lofty depot]

Crown

Silly

[royal zenith]

[lofty depot]

Blud asked me what I do on alleria like I wasn't on it

Kek

Used to me.progging boss 3 or some shit week 4

[royal zenith]

I dunno, you've had 64 pulls on that boss, wdym "I haven't decided yet"

there's some holes in the logic

[lofty depot]

Imagine getting to p3 clean

Couldn't be us

[royal zenith]

hows gamz doing actually

are you bearing on birb @lucid olive

[lofty depot]

Best at like 19%

[lucid olive]

nah

[lofty depot]

He's on crown

We were talking about CDs earlier kek

[royal zenith]

[lucid olive]

what

[royal zenith]

that's not directed at you

[lucid olive]

i know but why the sus eyes

[royal zenith]

.

it's w.e. anyway

[vital hound]

Lmao lfg

[lucid olive]

yeah he's talking about this basically

everyone sends same time at p2 entry

and then its different whether you send at 04:50 when your trinket lines up

or if you hold the trinket and only send treants+eclipse+foe at 04:50

and then send at like 05:50 for the 1st add

then you line up with all 3 add spawns in p3

[royal zenith]

cd slop strikes again

[lucid olive]

but sending end of p2 is more boss dmg

[lofty depot]

Ya u hold CDs for amp,.lines up everywhere else

Sending in p2 is more boss dam, less overall but if ur having trouble with add damage

U probably hold

[royal zenith]

mhm

[lucid olive]

yeah it just depends on what your group needs

and moonkin cooldowns are more flexible than others

[royal zenith]

flexible for progression yeah

impactful is P2

[lucid olive]

i don't think holding the trinket loses you a use either right

fight ends at like 08:30

[lofty depot]

Tbf u don't lose that much boss damage holding

Ur still starfalling kek

[whole hornet]

oops all trinkets

[lofty depot]

Not all

Smh

[maiden pasture]

only 1 useful one

💀

[whole hornet]

😔

[honest musk]

Is ec build for m+ in dreamgeove go to talents gor m+?

[lucid olive]

sure

[honest musk]

I added an alert for frer ss/sf procs from cdm, works good so far

[lofty depot]

Its like week 2 of people pushing m+, there's no "go to" build

[royal zenith]

dont think bonellia is a pusher

but a bear that sometimes plays balance druid

[honest musk]

Are there any other procs I should keep an eye out?

[lucid olive]

not really

starweaver and touch the cosmos probably the only ones worth it for audio cue

[honest musk]

I am doing 14 keys with boomkin and 15 with bear

When it is my key, I usually go boomkin

Simply because it is easier to get in keys as tank

[lucid olive]

i think audio cues on procs are cringe but everyones different

[tall rose]

the tier4 damage proc is not showing in damage meter, is it just me?

[royal zenith]

personally Im not really sold on KOTG in M+

[honest musk]

How come cringe

Annoying?

[royal zenith]

but dunno how it is in 14/15+ keys

[lucid olive]

its a shooting star

its baked in there

[lofty depot]

Tier 4 damage proc

[lucid olive]

logs filter it

[lofty depot]

Locken

[lucid olive]

sensory overload

[tall rose]

i'm casting only spenders in dummy without dots and it doesn't show shooting star either

[lofty depot]

Well u don't proc shooting stars without dots

[honest musk]

So if I am not on eclipse, I cast wrath even on multiple targets in m+? (According to priority stated in dreamgrove.gg)

[lucid olive]

where does it say that

[honest musk]

Let me find, I may be mistaken

[lucid olive]

nah it's fine

i think i should delete that "rotational details" part

there's too much shit to put in there + people should just read the dropdowns for rotation

[heavy iris]

are you guys simming vault choices in ST build ? I'm assuming in the next few weeks were going to start using voke more often with damage increasing as much as it will

[lucid olive]

yes i know, that's why i said nah it's fine

i'm just gonna rip out that entire section so people are forced to read the rotation parts above it

[honest musk]

Yeah in dropdown no mention for wrath

[lucid olive]

the section is just meant as a quick check for "what eclipse do i enter here"

[royal zenith]

what

did I just read

[honest musk]

Good to know guide maintainer address the questions here, thanks

[lofty depot]

I wouldn't assume that

[lucid olive]

and at this point theres too many fucking things in that section so the duplicate information gets real hard to maintain

[royal zenith]

what's all of that got to do with each other

are you talking about convoke?

[heavy iris]

How would we not? Adds are being deleted already and we have 14% more damage increase + turbo boost

[lofty depot]

Which adds are we talking about

[jade flume]

Lura

[lucid olive]

there's no turbo boost

[grim crater]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/WZgJ6zj83QrKcvVm?fight=1&type=damage-done&source=2

[lucid olive]

pretty sure they just named it something else

[lofty depot]

Well there is

[heavy iris]

yeah we're still gaining 3 more upgrades on each piece

[lofty depot]

Its just not all items and named something sidferent

[royal zenith]

beloren adds

[lofty depot]

It's not each piece

[lucid olive]

not each piece

[lofty depot]

It's weapon and trinkets

[lucid olive]

just trinkets and weapons

[heavy iris]

ahhhh

[royal zenith]

and what if incarn is better on ST

dum dum dummm

[lofty depot]

Whoa

Still haven't been notified which adds

[heavy iris]

bosses 1-5 are basically ST atp

including chim in that

[lofty depot]

Dragons definitely st

[royal zenith]

as in technically or in reality

[lofty depot]

Mmmhm mmhm

[royal zenith]

cause convoke will definitely send it's shit into adds if they exist

regardless of how fast they die

[lucid olive]

not just adds

[royal zenith]

or shields, or immune shit

[jade flume]

Thats why u convoke before type shi

[lucid olive]

didn't convoke proc on the benches during Sludgefist

[lofty depot]

Incarn is close on st, anytime u add damage from other sources it's likely just better

[charred mango]

if convoke vibes better you play convoke ez

[lucid olive]

real

[royal zenith]

convoke good on lura

[lofty depot]

🚪

[royal zenith]

send it

[lucid olive]

if the boss dies anyway then why would you care

[royal zenith]

(for details meter at least)

[lucid olive]

logs are fake

[lofty depot]

Hope convoke sends on the little dogs in secret phase

[charred mango]

exactly

[royal zenith]

logs are real

death logs that is

[lucid olive]

we gain 1% damage each week

noen of your ranks matter

[royal zenith]

and pot/healthstone logs

[charred mango]

convoke gives me 4 seconds of movement on saladman instead of cringe orb padding incarn

[lucid olive]

play EC and get 5 seconds instead

[lofty depot]

Weakmind

[royal zenith]

what do you need movement for

if your starfall already covers the entire area

[charred mango]

moving in a circle

[lucid olive]

idk I just proc Starweaver 10 times back to back on Salhadaar intermission

[royal zenith]

cast cast spend cast cast spend

[lucid olive]

perma moving

[royal zenith]

yeah Ive changed my mind about starweaver btw

[charred mango]

also is used to signify very serious opinions

[royal zenith]

I think it's a shit talent

[lofty depot]

👀

🚪

[royal zenith]

but the procs do help with movement

[lofty depot]

Weaver gang

[royal zenith]

and better movement is more damage

[lucid olive]

I have a feeling you're gonna agree with my feedback post then

[royal zenith]

I dunno, it doesn't matter if I agree or not

[lucid olive]

true

[royal zenith]

I will just play devil's advocate either way...

[lofty depot]

Gamz like it sucks thinking about solstice.... When I promise 99% of bamkins not tracking it

Blud out here complaining for fun

[lucid olive]

it's not a matter of tracking it tbh

shooting stars proc on random ass targets

[jade flume]

Wtf is solstice

[lucid olive]

Starweaver supposed to make it better on prio which is what their development notes stated

[lofty depot]

No one knew what solstice was in tww, no one knows now

[lofty depot]

Exactly my point

[grim crater]

when you go on eclipse proc shooting stars

XD

[royal zenith]

what are you, a disc priest??

[jade flume]

Bamkin at heart

[royal zenith]

how impactful is solstice anyway

[lofty depot]

Mmmhm mmhm

[lucid olive]

Starweaver gameplay of alternating spenders = interesting way to approach fights, when you proc back to back and get free moments of free movement it feels rewarding and fun

The Hail of Stars feedback loop is where my issue is. Orbit Breaker is not trackable. Solstice resets. Stellar Amplification only trackable through boss frames.

[royal zenith]

their reaction will just be to remove it...

instead of fix it..

[lucid olive]

yeah thats why I have rewritten the last paragraphh like 10 times

[lucid olive]

But this it not about Starweaver in isolation, it's that they took all the damage we gained from Sunfire/Moonfire with our Mastery and pumped it into Shooting Stars

[royal zenith]

does the tracking like actually matter, is there actual decision making involved

or is it more a nice-to-have type of thing

[lucid olive]

yes

Stellar Amp you want to swap target when debuff drops

Orbit Breaker you want to be in Eclipse when it procs and actually know the 24 AP is coming

[royal zenith]

what you just wrote

is not for the generic bamkin out there on the streets

[charred mango]

oh I scrolled up to find something and see Gamz recommending Legion and Shrinking? I knew he had great taste

[lofty depot]

Mfw when OB procs on morium 0 debuff and not 11 debuff demiar

[lucid olive]

yes I know

and I think that's an issue

[royal zenith]

agree

[lucid olive]

The skill floor is low but the skill ceiling is too high

[royal zenith]

well it's more that you just don't know

[lucid olive]

It's not good class design when there are parts of your kit that only a few people are good enough to interact with

like Stellar Amp target swapping

[lofty depot]

Gamz trying to lower the ceiling after it's been on the floor for years man

[lucid olive]

Especially considering the hard approach they took with class design this expansion

[royal zenith]

Why do I have to think about solstice when I'm getting blasted by perma damage in raid 😭

[lucid olive]

call me crazy but I don't think 2 out of the top 3 damaging spells in Bloodlust should be Sunfire/Moonfire

if I'm playing Starweaver and I'm chain proccing spenders

[lofty depot]

Well it's not silly

[lucid olive]

shouldn't my spenders be doing dam

[lofty depot]

It's procs from sunfire and moonfire

procs procs procs procs procs procs

[lucid olive]

procs from Sunfire/Moonfire is just Sunfire/Moonfire dmg

[royal zenith]

well I also agree there with gamz

they changed mastery to not depend on dots

meanwhile

you depend on dots

[lucid olive]

my issue isn't the Starweaver gameplay, it's the damage profile they curated with buffing the shit out of Shooting Stars

[royal zenith]

for damage

[wide dawn]

@lucid olive dunno if my sims are wrong or not but does the different between KOTG and EC in ST is 0.5% ?

[lucid olive]

that sounds about right

change some stats and EC is ahead

if EC is ahead now you change some stats and Keeper is ahead

woahza

(sims are fake tho, EC in raid plays like dogshit)

[royal zenith]

tell that to clecia

man played EC on crown..

[wide dawn]

That what i was thinking 😄

[lofty depot]

He has mental illness tho

[digital berry]

don't we all

[lofty depot]

Little rat fuck

[royal zenith]

also they keep saying this about frostmage but

that class is blasting

so how muchhh of it is true

and did we just make ourselves believe EC is worse in raid

[lofty depot]

There's not that much movement in aleria

[royal zenith]

which boss actually requires a lot of movement..

probably lura

[lofty depot]

Not random pools spawning on you, pretty choreographed

[lucid olive]

beloren as well

[digital berry]

why would anyone choose EC over kotg if the dmg is close

[lucid olive]

don't wanna be stuck casting Starfire in egg phase

[royal zenith]

why wouldn't you, who cares what you pick

if it does dam it does dam

[lucid olive]

talents =/= something that matters

@royal zenith this is what i got about starweaver btw

[royal zenith]

yeah that is a problem

but it's also like

it lingers from the enter/exit eclipse problem

[lucid olive]

yeah I wrote about that further up as well about Eclipse Interactions

just need to fill out the part about apex talents

but honestly dont got much to say about them

[royal zenith]

apex talents kinda chill

[lucid olive]

i think the general consensus is overall positive unless you're the kekkers type that hates for fun

[royal zenith]

some procs some bolts

it's fun

can see a tierset that will improve it in a later tier

or double down on it

has some potential

[lucid olive]

1st point just joins the Starlord and Harmony of the Heavens club in "spend 3 times at start of Eclipse"

which is fine

[lofty depot]

Apex shit cuz they do shit dam

[lucid olive]

apex does a lot of dam actually

[royal zenith]

(else you wouldnt pick the talents)

[lofty depot]

Yea totally

[lucid olive]

this is just the 4th point increase from the 3rd

[royal zenith]

he only looks at the bolts

😭

[lofty depot]

🙂

[royal zenith]

"yeah guys get mushrooms it's like 2% of my damage"

[lofty depot]

Smolder diffy

[dull dust]

skill issue

[lofty depot]

Mushrooms are ass

[royal zenith]

get more crit

[lofty depot]

I might play meteorites

[royal zenith]

be a real man

[charred mango]

mushrooms are delicious

[lucid olive]

together they are like uuuh
3.07%
5.35%
5.56%
6.22%

[lofty depot]

Sunseeker is so bad

[lucid olive]

whatever number those add up to

[dull dust]

play convoke

[maiden pasture]

around 67

[royal zenith]

nah I like shroomies

• you also have an actual choice there to go passive or manual

same as rattle versus starweaver

[lofty depot]

Yea or not and play meteorites

[royal zenith]

they are actually pretty good choice nodes ngl

[lofty depot]

Mmhm mmhm

[lucid olive]

yeah i think shroom choice node is good

you can play both (not at same time) in certain situations

or play neither

[lofty depot]

Next week I definately play meteorites

On gawd

[royal zenith]

just because the talent sounds good

smh

[lofty depot]

Innovation

[digital berry]

on dragons do we still want to stellar amp both ?

[lofty depot]

If ur surging sure

[amber creek]

I simmed and it says to take trinket. But would the Star band be a better long term pick?

[lofty depot]

Prob

[charred mango]

Probably

[lofty depot]

But I don't see the sim so idk

[lucid olive]

trinket is good

if you're thinking long term and you don't mythic raid then i would take the trinket

in a couple weeks you gain the bonus roll thing so you're guaranteed nexus point rings anyway

and i don't think there is any better m+ trinket

and to bonus roll the raid trinkets you need to kill the boss

[lofty depot]

Isnt the bonus roll next week

[lucid olive]

who knows

[lofty depot]

Erhm, surely the 12.0.5 patch gib instantly

[amber creek]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fvPrtjpRV2ca3aoEbcCpWR this is the sim

[lofty depot]

10t1m

[amber creek]

if im simming wrong lmk

[lofty depot]

Locken

[royal zenith]

.5 patch yeah

[lucid olive]

sim 1 target 5 minutes and then sim on latest instead of weekly

[royal zenith]

you also need to do a questline to unlock it

fun bonus rolls wooo questing wooo

[lofty depot]

Wait til all the frogs find out we prefer Crit to haste

[lucid olive]

you should also add trinkets that are farmable from m+ to the sim

cause the two you have are bad

the renown trinket from Voidstorm probably better than what you have as well

[amber creek]

Yeah been unlucky on drops. I will be mythic raiding at some point though

[lofty depot]

[royal zenith]

@pseudo merlin do something about it

I need NEWS

[honest musk]

Uploading logs right now but does anything look sketchy for this seat 14 run?

I died on first boss which kinda ruined my overall but still

[lucid olive]

looks fine to me

[lucid olive]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5zLFiUw5yuHiLGvaqaqQ6s

added some items that are farmable from m+

[honest musk]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/JyAmXvHB79hQf8VY?fight=last&type=summary

could anyone maybe look for obvious mistakes i may be doing

[lofty depot]

U doing no shooting stars dam looka pretty fucking sketch

[signal echo]

https://i.imgur.com/XkEZR7o.png

what da hell

[lofty depot]

Ban that mother fuck

[signal echo]

All the trinkets

[royal zenith]

that's an actual all the trinkets

[nimble tangle]

Where is my trinket

No trinket forever

Time to reroll devour

Blue eye, bis pants yellow eye

Dead asf

[amber creek]

[pseudo merlin]

.5 releases on the 21st of April

there's your news

[royal zenith]

nah that aint gonna happen

[pseudo merlin]

It's literally confirmed

[royal zenith]

it will be 1st of may

[hushed jetty]

just wiped for 2 hours against heroic belo'ren but it was fun

[royal zenith]

who cares about that .5!!

[pseudo merlin]

[royal zenith]

[pseudo merlin]

"whisper curve"

[hushed jetty]

Any recommendations for finding guilds? In game guild finder seems sub optimal

[dull dust]

join the disc

[hushed jetty]

Which disc?

[lucid olive]

he's EU

[dull dust]

they have a eu one

[jolly delta]

dreamgrove

[dull dust]

but im not ij it

unlucky

[lucid olive]

yeah but the EU one is uuuuh

only the mods can invite people

[jolly delta]

what

no

[dull dust]

what

[hushed jetty]

Is that not the discord im in rn im confused

[jolly delta]

sorry it was a yoke

[dull dust]

https://discord.gg/jx8CXHP

[hushed jetty]

Ah nice, thanks

[jolly delta]

idk maybe you need to click smth and get a role

[lucid olive]

i had a role..

guess they removed it

haven't used it since Undermine for a bit when i was thinking of swapping guilds

[dull dust]

I can link it

does that mean I have a role

[lucid olive]

probably

[dull dust]

aura farming eu from canada

[lucid olive]

wowhead also has some guild recruitment channels

probably aimed at a more casual audience than that discord

i imagine the housing discord has some shit like that as well

[zealous loom]

Hello guys!

Which Neck piece can I craft to replace this?

There is no way I'm getting a decent neck piece lmao

[pseudo merlin]

TRUEEEEEE

[dense steeple]

The decent neckpiece was rewarded to us 2 weeks ago

Then theres pos neck

[zealous loom]

:I

[exotic perch]

just craft one

thats what ill do this week

unless you are killing alleria/lura soon

and getting a myth version of that neck

[lucid olive]

pit of saron neck good

[zealous loom]

pit of saron Neck is a myth

doesnt exists

[lucid olive]

wdym

i did that key 1 time

[dull dust]

necks always good

[dense steeple]

Just cant imagine crafting neck when they literally gave us a free hero track mastery/haste neck

[pseudo merlin]

^

[exotic perch]

yeah but that free hero track one requires me to pvp

[pseudo merlin]

Gamz no way you got pos neck first try

[dull dust]

need crit mastery noob

[exotic perch]

which is a banned part of this game

[dense steeple]

No it doesnt

[jaunty blaze]

its literally pve

disguised as pvp

[zealous loom]

wait wut

[dense steeple]

You can choose to pvp for it

But you can just pve it

[zealous loom]

how? where? when?

am I actually blind?

[dense steeple]

You queue into training grounds and play against bots

[lucid olive]

2 runs of the dungeon in total, on the 2nd run i was wearing it

[exotic perch]

its the 4 week quest from the guy on the left int he tent

[dull dust]

those bots are p hard

[dense steeple]

Theres a quest weve been getting every week that says "please win 2 bg"

[exotic perch]

i do have pit of saron neck too tho

[zealous loom]

yeah fuck that tbh

lololololo

[dense steeple]

playing against bots is hard lololololo

Win silvershard mines in 5 minutes

[zealous loom]

is boring

[jaunty blaze]

queue times are the hardest part

[dense steeple]

So are keys which makes sense cause youre not doing those either

[jaunty blaze]

otherwise its pretty fast

[lucid olive]

yeah, there isnt like any set in stone rules for this weeks craft really

just craft to fill whatever hole is left in your gear

[zealous loom]

idk man running pit of saron 10 times is kinda boring too

[exotic perch]

yeah i might do boots tbh instead of neck

[jaunty blaze]

maybe wow isnt the game for you

[zealous loom]

yeah i was asking which neck should I craft 😄

[exotic perch]

trying to figure the best way to get the hero track achieve

[lucid olive]

consider BoE boots

they're random stats as well

[exotic perch]

and i can send 500 hero crests of my alt

ye the boe ones are good

[dense steeple]

My alt is almost higher ilvl than my main now

[lucid olive]

theres just 1

[dense steeple]

Its crazy

[lucid olive]

the others are embellishments

[exotic perch]

maybe the mobs will drop leather this week

we got 3 boes last week

[lucid olive]

just buy one or

[exotic perch]

i dont care nearly enough to spend that money haha

[lucid olive]

gg

[dense steeple]

I almost bought boe for my alt

[lucid olive]

i bought for my DH

[dense steeple]

2mil price tag i said "nah maybe I just keep grinding"

[pseudo merlin]

Past me hates you

but they gave me pvp neck so im ok

[dense steeple]

Cant wait to open these vaults

[lucid olive]

lol why are NA more expensive on their BoEs

lowest leg BoE on NA is 1.7m

[pseudo merlin]

theyre not

Their gold is just hugely inflated

[lucid olive]

lowest EU one is 1.150m

[dense steeple]

Supply and demand my friend

[pseudo merlin]

just like the dollar

Euro>dollar

[jaunty blaze]

me when i lie

[pseudo merlin]

Remember when you could fly to the US and go clothes shopping there and fly back to the EU and had saved money doing so

[exotic perch]

yeah i will just see what raid gives im not stressed

im not even in on bosses lol

[pseudo merlin]

Dollar is monopoly money

[lucid olive]

you get 100k more gold for a token in EU lol

[pseudo merlin]

yeah but they pay the same amount in dollars and dollars aint worth shit

economics man

[exotic perch]

p sure if you kill all the lieutenants in the raids youll get like 4 boes

[jaunty blaze]

german inflation goes hard...

[ionic surge]

imagine buying boes

[pseudo merlin]

NGL boes being worth more than like 200k post RWF is insane

People are unhinged

[lucid olive]

well myth BoEs are not available during the race

[ionic surge]

check how much people are willing to pay for weekly 10s for their vault

[pseudo merlin]

oh right

then its just always insane

[pseudo merlin]

I saw

The easiest season in history and M+10 boosters are making like 500k an hour

?????????

[ionic surge]

yea no

we're not

[lucid olive]

i don't need to, 7/7 unsaved heroic is still over 1.5m

not even VIP

[pseudo merlin]

up your game bud

[ionic surge]

but its still good money

[dull dust]

wym 400 dollars for a heroic boe is worth

[pseudo merlin]

how much are you actually making

[ionic surge]

depends on the group

but like

200k/hour is safe

[pseudo merlin]

thats crazy

do they allow shadow priests

[lucid olive]

boosting m+ man

[ionic surge]

i will do anything to not set foot in a raid

• i have ptsd from raid boosting in df

[dull dust]

bros making more money boosting then I am at my real job

[pseudo merlin]

u dont like raid boosting?

why

[dull dust]

[dense steeple]

chancel unemployed confirmed

[ionic surge]

because you can actually wipe

with boosters being shit

[pseudo merlin]

yeah but

that has never happened

[ionic surge]

also i just hate raids

[pseudo merlin]

right

[ionic surge]

with a passion

[dull dust]

I wish i was unemployed

[dense steeple]

boosting has been shit since bfa

[ionic surge]

:clueless!

[wild dune]

monday night key sales go hard

[pseudo merlin]

atleast not to me

[wild dune]

80k for a armor stacked 10

in and out in 15 mins

[ionic surge]

15?

[honest musk]

is shooting starts dmg low?

[ionic surge]

get me in as the tank and we're done in 10

[wild dune]

i cant force the tank to pull any faster my man

[shut finch]

Can someone explain to me why so many balance druids clearing high keys are using crucible over things like emberwing feather?

for M+

[wild dune]

and i get striked if i pull for them

[pseudo merlin]

Because crucible is really good and free and other trinkets are tied to acquisition rng?

[dense steeple]

they dont have feather and crucible is good

[lofty depot]

Imagine if they don't have other trinkets

[pseudo merlin]

why not

just get full bis?

[lofty depot]

Also feather isnt good

So

[dense steeple]

vault time

[pseudo merlin]

ghl

[dull dust]

67% of druids using the trinket i cant loot

[pseudo merlin]

he said it

[wild dune]

just loot it?

[dense steeple]

trash

[pseudo merlin]

67% of druids using 10% of the trinkets

smh

[lucid olive]

good gloves

[ionic surge]

myth track chest and gloves ?

bro is trolling or

[dull dust]

I didnt even clear the raid last week

[ionic surge]

https://tenor.com/view/bosnov-67-bosnov-67-67-meme-gif-12748453526073517542

[native rune]

hey is there any limit of crafted items equipped? already got 2 with Embellishments, can i craft and equipt 3 & 4 with only stats ?

[ionic surge]

sorry mr drowning in loot

[ionic surge]

yes

no limits

[native rune]

ty ❤️

[dense steeple]

wanna see druid vault now?

[ionic surge]

go

[dense steeple]

those gloves have speed on them too

wouldve been huge for boomy

[dull dust]

bruh cheating on us

[ionic surge]

cant judge im a brew main

[shut finch]

If 67% of people are using a trinket that is behind a weekly lockout and only 8% are using the feather that you can target farm much more easily, just as easily as you can get the crucible, wouldn't that imply the crucible is probably just better than the feather?

[ionic surge]

people doing higher keys are more often than not also raiding and therefore getting funneled the ultra bis boss trinket

[dense steeple]

spoiler alert

my boomy got trash too

[shut finch]

what about the comparison I made just now between crucible and emberwing? you can just target farm emberwing and even more easily funnel it right?

[pseudo merlin]

?

[shut finch]

would you say emberwing is better than crucible?

[pseudo merlin]

I did 80 keys

still no trinket

just farm it lol

[ionic surge]

you can't "funnel" it

you still need to drop an item in your dungeon and have it be that trinket

you can farm it sure but it could take 100 runs too

[lofty depot]

Well ember wing isn't fighting a trinket slot with crucible

U don't run double on use

[dull dust]

ngl seat kinda fucked the m+ loot

[deep flint]

Hey! What you think about incoming balance buff?

[dense steeple]

what buff

[lofty depot]

The incoming one

[shut finch]

Let me rephrase my question I guess. Why is emberwing such a low % representation if it's supposedly a better trinket than crucible but is also easy to farm by just doing spire repeatedly?

[deep flint]

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/class-tuning-incoming-–-april-15/2091525

[wild dune]

brother

that is 2025

the year is 2026

[deep flint]

LOL ITS 2025

I'm stupid, sorry for disturbing

[dull dust]

mods remove his balls

[ionic surge]

because crucible is free

and there are better on-use

[dense steeple]

my boy saw this and thought NA resets on the 15th

[lofty depot]

Smh April 15 is a Wednesday na reset on 14

What a silly goose

U performing season 2

It's season 1

So many clues so little vision

"ermg emrmgenen buff"

[shy knot]

[dull dust]

this season's gotta be the worst balanced in a hot min

[dense steeple]

you seen the pvpers? theyre hotter than that toilet paper warehouse in California rn

[dull dust]

do toilet paper warehouses exist

[dense steeple]

??

an employee just burned it down

its like the hottest nonpolitical news rn

[dull dust]

hottest being literal

I guess

[zealous loom]

I know! But I am not sure about which embellishment should I pick.

[bleak kiln]

We're cooked boys

[stone ledge]

Tf you mean cooked

[dense steeple]

thats a big trinket

[bleak kiln]

Which one? lol

[charred mango]

I’m with u, cooked

[stone ledge]

Locus walker

[bleak kiln]

The ice i'm sure

fuckin bis man

[dense steeple]

xd

[charred mango]

actually wait those boots are really good

[stone ledge]

Alright well I fell for the satire

[charred mango]

liar

[bleak kiln]

boots sim lower than locus walkers

[dense steeple]

crazy that a big trinket sims higher than some boots

yea

[bleak kiln]

locus walkers is like 700 dps upgrade lol

[stone ledge]

Exactly

Huge

[bleak kiln]

787 vs 632 with boots

[jade flume]

Its a hc trinklet tho

Bis is mystic

[bleak kiln]

yea the hc is ruff

but dont have M raiding guild so prolly will never get M

[shut finch]

I can see that explaining it for the first week or two but we're in week 4 now, I don't think it's very likely that the majority of people in the top 5% of parses havent gotten their hands on something better than crucible for that slot after having 4 weeks to farm windrunner spire if they really wanted emberlight feather

[charred mango]

ain’t gonna stop you from taking ribbon esp since catalyst means any boots are good

[lofty depot]

It's not like locus walker is very good in m+

[dull dust]

do the boots have speed

real shit

[charred mango]

it’s good if you never drop combat

[bleak kiln]

Yea, I wonder if the luu'ra H track trinket is any good for m+ lol

No speed

[dull dust]

I take speed over .3% every day

[bleak kiln]

Current trinkets lol

I legit had to take socket last week

nothing was an upgrade

big sadge

[dull dust]

why is the wind thing just a bowl of...

[lofty depot]

I can think of plenty of dungeons where u drop combat

Grr

[charred mango]

^

[bleak kiln]

so shadow is prolly better in keys then

[dull dust]

just play 3 dks

why we thinkin

[leaden birch]

I am stupid, where am I pasting the NSRT note for reminders

import personal reminder string?

[hoary pagoda]

switching over to boomie and vault today is mythic staffs .. should i take those instead of crafting a wep? and then just make 2nd piece of gear with arcanoweave?

[vital hound]

https://tenor.com/ng9bt7VvICF.gif

@lofty depot is the cudgel good long term or is there another 1h i want

[lucid olive]

its probably fine if you have a myth track or crafted off-hand

[vital hound]

ya thats myth track and craft oh eventually

or its take boots hero -> myth

[lucid olive]

can sim it versus the mace from 1st boss or the dagger from beloren

doubt the difference is big though

[lofty depot]

Would just take socket

[lucid olive]

ilvl is the biggest thing for weapons, the secondaries on it you can fix by taking diff gems and enchants

[vital hound]

yea true

[lucid olive]

and yeah if you have any myth track items you can fit a socket in then i'd take socket

[leaden birch]

anyone here use nsrt? I'm loading in the damn note and it isn't showing at all during pull

[lucid olive]

doesn't NSRT just import notes from MRT

[vital hound]

i have nothing tof ucking socket

my character is so dogshit

[lofty depot]

Go to the reminder tab and click load

[leaden birch]

so I need mrt and nsrt?

[lofty depot]

What ilvl that

[lucid olive]

you should have MRT in general if you're raiding

[dull dust]

why are u naked

[lofty depot]

Mo

[vital hound]

277

[lofty depot]

U don't need mrt u can do it in nsrt no?

[vagrant bronze]

Alright Chickens. I need advice. I'm thinking of crafting my 285 neck. With the stats as they sit right now. and current Neck is +73 Hast/+171 Mas. Should i go with a missive with Hast/Mas or Crit/Mas.

[vital hound]

ive been given one piece of loot this season

[leaden birch]

I'm not really progging with the guild this patch so I've been lazy to get it

[vital hound]

sim it

[leaden birch]

guess I'll get mrt again

[lofty depot]

Did u sim it

It'll say Crit mastery prob

[limpid remnant]

2 targets is always starfall now no matter what right?

[vagrant bronze]

yes, but if all i cared about is the sim i wouldnt be asking my fellow chickens now would i

[lofty depot]

Well u should care about the sim

More than people on the internet

[leaden birch]

i'd sim it

[lucid olive]

yesn't

[vagrant bronze]

boy you are a treat

[leaden birch]

he's not wrong though

[limpid remnant]

that means?

[lucid olive]

Starfall on 2 targets with Starfall talents

Starsurge on 2 targets without Starfall talents

but on 2 target fights you generally will play Starfall talents since it's better overall

[lofty depot]

Ok it's crazy that I listen to sim, tell u to listen to sim, but u want to listen to me.... But I listen to sim

[vagrant bronze]

yea no shit lol. im just asking. Is that seriously all we do now in this game. Only go off sims. dont talk to each other and just be blobs on the keyboard. fuck what happened to actually have a open discussion

[limpid remnant]

starfall talents are?

[leaden birch]

chill brother

[royal zenith]

he's right though

[lucid olive]

kindling, meteor storm, meteorites etc

[leaden birch]

but the discussion kinda ends at take whatever the sim says

[vagrant bronze]

thats so sad

[royal zenith]

why go to discord, a platform to communicate, to be told to not communicate?

[leaden birch]

how?

[limpid remnant]

aight ty ty

[lofty depot]

I mean what u want to discuss

[royal zenith]

thonking

[vital hound]

in other news

[lofty depot]

Crit good

Haste bad

[royal zenith]

funneled

[lucid olive]

+1

[lofty depot]

Sim tell u that prob

[vagrant bronze]

ignore sims. what would a good Mythic raiding chicken do. im 4/9M currently so it's not like sims are a new thing for me.......just used to use this discord to have these general discussions to see what people like doing

[lucid olive]

some people sit here chatting perma and then just wave away anyone asking a question

[vital hound]

i can assure you this wasn't the case lmao

[leaden birch]

I mean, I'd go with haste because I'm doing m+ as well

[lucid olive]

also getting a 2nd opinion on your gearing decision is always a good thing

[lofty depot]

Gamz taking the high road

[royal zenith]

I would be surprised a boomie gets any loot

[leaden birch]

if that helps the discussion move along

[lofty depot]

Cosplaying deux

[vital hound]

our other boomie did

[royal zenith]

rip

[vital hound]

im a hunter now mr cop

[royal zenith]

tbh, romo is just making conversation

[vital hound]

unfortunately

[royal zenith]

I dunno why you all being so weird about it

[vagrant bronze]

yea, i have yet to get anything first, im the handmedown guy XD

[fickle pier]

Just my anecdotal experience, but i find it hard to think crafting a neck is a good choice when that huge nastery hero neck from the pvp quest is available

[vital hound]

[royal zenith]

[lofty depot]

Well, getting all the info implies u did sim it and then we can talk about that info. Idk ur character idk what ur doing. I know u gave me some funny stats.

[lucid olive]

well, a "good mythic raiding chicken" would probably sim their character and then ask someone to look over their sim to see if they missed anything

[dense steeple]

good ring

[royal zenith]

ring?!

this man

[vital hound]

avoidance

[vagrant bronze]

damn, solid options in that one

[dense steeple]

HUGE ring even

[royal zenith]

overrated ring

[fickle pier]

And ya, once you have some ilvl haste is lower than crit generally for my character.

[royal zenith]

well the only issue with this conversation is you're discussing stats

you can basically craft the neck with whatever stat and compensate it somewhere else

[dense steeple]

just for your character? 🙂

[round field]

what if i craft ring

[covert talon]

is it worth getting 2x Arcanowave insight if I got a mythic staff from the vault?

[royal zenith]

dunno why you would

[lucid olive]

yes

[covert talon]

ty! 😄

[royal zenith]

mythic staff is a few ilvls higher, big int

[lucid olive]

i assume you mean arcanoweave lining though

idk what insight is

[royal zenith]

the good int..

[covert talon]

yeah sry your right 😄

[vagrant bronze]

Yea true. i just wasnt sure i guess looking through logs and other sims. I've seen some top boomies rocking haste=crit equally and I've also seen some with more crit than haste which i may assume is because of straight raid versus M+. Just weird stat prio's with boomie i feel

[lucid olive]

it's not really that weird

[royal zenith]

only weird if you compare it to DF

[lucid olive]

a lot of people are just wearing whatever pieces they get and then sim to decide which pieces to wear

so you get some people with different spreads

most people also use Vaelgor trinket which gives a ton of mastery during cooldowns

so the value of haste/crit is higher on other slots

idk if there's much value in looking through what items other people are wearing tho but it is what it is

[normal pilot]

there isn't

but it's a bad habit to break + places like wowhead/IV keep that kind of focus up to squeeze out $$ so what can you do

[gaunt ruin]

I’ve also checked and it seems that they also crafted items with crit haste

[dull dust]

wowhead stealing my money

[lucid olive]

yeah they simmed their character and crit/haste was better

[dull dust]

wtf

[royal zenith]

"it seems" sounds like a situation where you want to see it

[gaunt ruin]

I mean. I can’t unsee it 😂

[royal zenith]

Im looking at a rank 1 right now and they crafted haste mastery

myth debunked?

[lunar stream]

does twin moons just not work on vaelgor & ezzorak?

[royal zenith]

need to be close enough

[lucid olive]

think theyre technically too far apart

[normal pilot]

ya it's 15yd range

[drifting nova]

8, blud

[royal zenith]

sunfire has slightly better range

[lucid olive]

aims from center of hitbox I guess

[royal zenith]

(cringe btw)

[lucid olive]

cause the hitbox on the dragons is gigantic

[drifting nova]

why has that still not been changed

it triggered me in sl and still does now

[royal zenith]

back in the day we used to have even bigger range with that one tierset..

felt actually good for qol

[lucid olive]

think Sunfire spreads from entirety of hitbox?

could be making that up

[normal pilot]

too much engineer hours to change it

sunfire is standard aoe

[lucid olive]

but their hitboxes are definitely overlapping on dragons

[drifting nova]

moonfire is dog, delete it

[normal pilot]

so they don't need to do anything to make it go off hitbox

[drifting nova]

replace it with insect swarm

only thing hard carrying it as a button

is orbit breaker

[royal zenith]

[drifting nova]

last week was a useless myth item

this week will be the difference

change will occur

words hard

[royal zenith]

nah, you're not vibrating at the right frequency

no law of attraction for you

[drifting nova]

literally anything but another dogshit vessels of hatred from maisara

[lofty depot]

People in m+ taking Crit buff from algathars and using reckless for more crit

[royal zenith]

if you really want to discuss stats..

[pseudo merlin]

weekly box

[royal zenith]

Canexx said mastery no good in aoe... crit haste better...

[pseudo merlin]

is this good for chickens?

[lofty depot]

Mmhm mnhm

[royal zenith]

it's heroic ilvl so it's alright

[pseudo merlin]

[drifting nova]

FACK I FORGOT TO DO IT

[pseudo merlin]

dude

[royal zenith]

gotta aim high ravec

[pseudo merlin]

you have like

[lofty depot]

Don't u mean the method guy

[drifting nova]

its joever

[pseudo merlin]

4 hours kekkers

stop

[pseudo merlin]

oh ye the method guy

[drifting nova]

you think I get 4 dungeons done in 4hours? cute

[pseudo merlin]

yes

you can do follower dungeons or ?

[drifting nova]

for mythic?

[royal zenith]

just do some m0

easy

tank a few

youre a wayor

[drifting nova]

eww

no, druid

I did it on my paladin..

[royal zenith]

okay bear then

[drifting nova]

neither war nor druid

have

eh, easier to just accept I'll get a bad item

and not do it

[vital hound]

[fickle pier]

Sunfire hits both if tanks arent dumb, but twin moons does not usually. Wcyd, small indie company

[pseudo merlin]

interesting

they're like within 8 yards im pretty sure

my tentalce hits both

[fickle pier]

Guessing moonfire / twin moons scans from center model

And they may be 15y apart in that sense

I padded on first kill, might just take the dot refresh talent on reclears and let the collapsing star handle the adds

[drifting nova]

whys astral com considered take for M+

are you doing hijincks again gamz

[lucid olive]

good talent

take something else if you want

should prob make it yellow

[snow elm]

i like astral com because i overcap alot even if i try not to DX

the ap just stacks endlesslly...

[drifting nova]

@pseudo merlin

https://tenor.com/view/shrug-dexter-morgan-idk-gif-2440520923239485215

more astral com vs umbral essence

[pseudo merlin]

wait

+0 exists

who the fuck says +0

[drifting nova]

no, the point was missed

the decline was the important part

[pseudo merlin]

yes just

im not going to

😩

[jade flume]

Everyone just about

[lucid olive]

why do people say "wow we +2d this key" but not "wow we -1d this key"

smh

[drifting nova]

bring back multiple chests

[pseudo merlin]

we should tbh

we need more negativity

You need to measure how hard you failed

not just whether or not you failed

[pseudo merlin]

m0?????

[jade flume]

Tomato potato type shi

Its same thing

[drifting nova]

were you home schooled

[lucid olive]

+0 is depleting a resilient key

[drifting nova]

still dont know what a resi key is

but they ARE bad

[royal zenith]

they are... resilient... keys...

I wonder what that could mean......

[pseudo merlin]

It's like a normal key but with pvp gear

[drifting nova]

oh like special ed

[pseudo merlin]

yes

[jolly delta]

can't wait to

take a look at the new archon app

[drifting nova]

NO SCRAPING

[dull dust]

vinter stole my info

[jolly delta]

gg draining your account

unlucky

wtf you have no money

[dull dust]

[pseudo merlin]

Boomkins only play wow and gym

They dont work

[dense steeple]

I only wow and work

I dont gym

[pseudo merlin]

time to start gymming corndog

[dull dust]

dont u also eat dogs

surely that can go on the resume too

[dense steeple]

I eat all the dogs

[lucid olive]

hot dogs right

[dense steeple]

Yes

Im at 17 this month

[pseudo merlin]

rookie numbers

[dense steeple]

I think im firmly in the lead still

And the month is only half over

[dull dust]

im at like 12

[pseudo merlin]

im at 2 🙁

[dense steeple]

My real drawback is my wife cooks me dinner everyday, and I dont eat lunch at work

[pseudo merlin]

Yeah hate when that happens

[dull dust]

need more weiner in ur life ravec

[dense steeple]

Im just saying I could be eating so much more

I just gotta divorce the wife

[dull dust]

real

[pseudo merlin]

I respect the dedication

[dense steeple]

Shell be the one to divorce me tho

I aint going willingly

[pseudo merlin]

hide the divorice papers type shit?

[lucid olive]

i didn't know there was a competition

swear i would smoke all of you in a hot dog eating contest

[pseudo merlin]

suit up buddy

less talk

the month is only halfway

[lucid olive]

bet

used to buy packs of 10 for dinner

give me like 4 days i'm already in the lead

[pseudo merlin]

damn youre an og

[lucid olive]

i just used to have a lot less money than i do now

[dense steeple]

Yeah we aren't competing but I gotta win yknow

[pseudo merlin]

hey hotdogs are a diet

[dense steeple]

Were just doing fun "how many will we eat this year"

And I said "more than you"

[dull dust]

yeah all mine are from Kraft dinner and hotdog combo super

[dense steeple]

Here was the count on April first by month

[lucid olive]

I feel like you should just innately have an edge given your profession

or maybe it's a disadvantage because you're around it all day..

[dull dust]

unfort they took out the hotdog thing last year

[lucid olive]

what???

[dull dust]

I used to yoink free ones at the end every day

[lucid olive]

gas station with no hot dogs?

man fuck canada

[dull dust]

real

[lucid olive]

@eager raft

[eager raft]

we got gas station glicks

[lucid olive]

so chancel just works at bad gas station then

[lofty depot]

worked at a ballpark when i was 16/17 and i sure as shit ate 3-5 a day

[lucid olive]

it shows

[dull dust]

boonies

[lofty depot]

ok bud

[dull dust]

rough

[lucid olive]

all this talking about hot dogs making me hungry

i have like 0 object permanence so i haven't eaten yet today

been up for 12 hours

[pseudo merlin]

you gotta mealprep

so you can eat within minutes of wanting to

[lucid olive]

definitely not

very bad idea

[pseudo merlin]

I got like 50 portions of tikka masala and 30 portions of ragu alla bolognese in the freezer atm

im set for a whole fucking raid tier

[dull dust]

lock in

[lucid olive]

i'm terrible at planning meals to begin with, and if i happen to make like 30 meals and stuff em in my freezer

that shit gonna be gone in 5 days

[pseudo merlin]

oh shit really

[drifting nova]

ragu what

[pseudo merlin]

I also have like 20 sausages and 5kg pork and chicken

[dull dust]

if i lived alone I woupd 100% just eat 30 hot pockets a week

[pseudo merlin]

Kekkers

I hate so much about the things you choose to be

[drifting nova]

[lucid olive]

need to limit amount of food in my kitchen

and the food i have is usually stuff that takes like 10-20 minutes to make

cause that way i'm too lazy to make anymore after

[dull dust]

just live off cold pizza and beer

[lucid olive]

or i'm too lazy in general and blow it on takeout

[lucid olive]

tried that, didn't like it

[drifting nova]

had a dominos tonight and once again regret it