balance

[round field]

its not bait for once

its facts

[craggy sonnet]

oh ok. sorry

[livid jay]

nah man arctic the one who always helps the new people here

[round field]

by spreading misinformation

[lofty depot]

Iqnious actively dislikes me, it's fine

[round field]

he has been caught red handed dozens of times

[lofty depot]

If people don't want me to have a funny color I don't really care

[round field]

its not personal

[lofty depot]

I said take it away

[round field]

ur just one of many

its not u

its ur country

[livid jay]

lets be honest arctic isnt american

[round field]

factually incorrect

[lofty depot]

[livid jay]

hes awake during eu times more

at least in here xD

[lofty depot]

I'm at work during EU hours

[craggy sonnet]

he is awake always

[livid jay]

arctic must be sleeping between me being at work and me raiding in evening

[lofty depot]

12-6 cst

[frank vine]

is nullaeus even killable as boomie on highest difficulty?

[lofty depot]

Not currently

Go in as resto or bear... Or find some friends to do it with

[frank vine]

i did do it with friends i just want the mount and achiev atm

i thought they said it would be a kick that adapts to the class kick cd but

here we are

[round field]

its fine

they are months ahead of schedule

will be fixed soon

[lofty depot]

Well class CD heh, we have 2 kicks

It works for 2/3 of the specs with kicks

That's good margin of error

[frank vine]

fair point, but i wanna do it as chimkin

[lofty depot]

Then ur gonna wait til they fix it

[grim crater]

Question. When evaluating raid logs. How can I identify if my performance is gear related? If I have a high parse but a low ilvl %?

[lofty depot]

Ilvl parses are memes / cope. U can get high ilvl parse simply by having more gear than everyone and or having better gear at lower ilvl. If u looked at the 250 area ilvl on like normal kills. If u had 4p u would have far better ilvl parses because most people that killed those bosses, did so without tier

Evaluating your performance in log requires u to understand specifics of the class/fight. U can post a log and maybe one of us can help u

Also looking at parses right now, giga cursed cuz of how much pad is on all the fights.

[grim crater]

Ahh I see

Im still missing key parts of my gear, but i believe its more of a skill issue. Yesterday I definitely noticed the gap in damage.

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/J9fRmzgCtX8LdHAQ?fight=31&type=damage-done&source=163

[drifting nova]

[grim crater]

This was a dragons fight I did yesterday, which I thought I was doing fine just to end up to see shitty results

[drifting nova]

Wrong I’ll Ilvl you out of this universe

[grim crater]

And then i did beloren and oh boy, went to bed early

[lofty depot]

Massive

[grim crater]

Cause it was a disaster, i think im just not running KOTG rotation right

[digital berry]

Yeah I took a glimpse at the cast sequence and you’re definitely not playing the spec correctly

[lofty depot]

hello darkness my old friend

[digital berry]

Sending incarn without trees / foe is a big no no

[lofty depot]

Soooo first and foremost.... I'm gonna explain things 2 ways because there's objective good ideas around "padding" and then there's .. "I'm doing boss damage"

[grim crater]

In my defense, I actually thought I had denizens in that fight lmao

[lofty depot]

Unacceptable

Firstly.... You should be dotting the bosses prior to sending a CD... Trees being one of our most important.

[grim crater]

Don't know I why i had this tbh

[lofty depot]

Second, if our focus is boss dam, why aren't we sending all CDs on pull

3rd.... U do not press Starfire in solar

[grim crater]

Yeah I've noticed I got that habit. When i play EC on m+ i always cast starfire on either lunar or incarn. To get the ascendant proc. When I do single target ive been messing it up sometimes. Not because I don't know more so quick muscle memory

Definitely should fix it

[lofty depot]

I doubt I'm full casting a Starfire ever on that boss

[grim crater]

Add phase maybe?

[lofty depot]

As stated, I doubt I'm full casting a Starfire ever

The likelihood of that add dieing in the middle of ur cast is so high especially on heroic

Ur just never doing that

1. U should wild charge and prep for movement more

Granted likely new to the boss / fight. U prep I to movement so when breathe comes and u have it, u can wild charge press some starfalls or surges while running to the bait location then build while ur out there and do the same thing on the way back

2. U don't need to press car form then dash. U can just press dash

Again right u casted Starfire on an orb and then entered lunar in this case

And then 10 seconds later casted wrath in lunar and then went into solar

[drifting nova]

Why can’t convoke be buffed

Only cook part of trees

[lofty depot]

Granted this isn't usually how ur 2m sequencing goes. Let's assume it's not that time and it's some other time trees are coming up

U would be holding this eclipse, and pressing with trees

U sent trees with 5s left on eclipse

[grim crater]

Yeah yeah I see definitely should worry more about aligning cds more often

Instead of blindly throwing stuff

[digital berry]

Aligning cds is like the most important thing about balance druid

Especially in this cooldown slop era we’re in

[drifting nova]

30s convoke when

[digital berry]

30s convoke and it throws out 4 spells ?

[gentle cove]

Keep convoke dead

[modest wagon]

15 second convoke, except it has 3 charges, and each time you cast it it gets stronger until you get a guaranteed Full Moon

wait...

[digital berry]

I don’t mind the idea of convoke as it was when it was introduced, a ton of burst on a longer cd

[gentle cove]

Too random for me imo but I was playing resto when it was introduced

[drifting nova]

Convoke less trees is terrorism

[digital berry]

EC convoke

[drifting nova]

Let it be real

Convinced they half cooked with hero talents and now they are just a design obstacle

[modest wagon]

Convoke was the sickest spell ever added when it launched

[drifting nova]

Still never went as far as I hoped

[modest wagon]

Then Venthyr was meta the next season and I dropped the game

[digital berry]

Convoke + boat was doing so fucking much dmg

[drifting nova]

Could say that for every legion spell as they were free

Now you lose a talent point for it

[modest wagon]

I'm glad they kept it at least, definitely a rarity among those covenant skills

Borrowed power is a hell of a drug

[digital berry]

I will never understand the concept of hating on borrowed power

Everything is borrowed power in each season

[fossil hemlock]

Borrowed power is just a buzzword

[modest wagon]

P sure it was more the engagement systems than the actual powers that were hated... like Heart of Azeroth and Covenant locks

[digital berry]

Covenants being locked at first was such a dumb idea

[modest wagon]

Literally made me quit, was my first time playing in SL

I think they unlocked it like the next week or something, but it was too late lol

Had to go grind that ugly ass vampire area to unlock skills I didn't want and give up convoke

[royal zenith]

At least apex talents are core and not borrowed!!

[winged moss]

Where can I see the upcoming 12.05 class charges

Changes

I read that balance getting a small change

But no specifica

Specifics *

[craggy sonnet]

Was communicated as part of the PTR update notes

[winged moss]

Cant seem to find it

[normal pilot]

it's in the ptr section of the official forums

[craggy sonnet]

Should all be in this thread
https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/1205-ptr-development-notes/2270121

[winged moss]

Nope 🙁

[craggy sonnet]

Wdym nope

[fickle pier]

you can beat a deaf horse with water, but you can't make him see or whatever

[craggy sonnet]

Mhmm mhmm

[winged moss]

Am I blind or what

Thx align

[fickle pier]

[craggy sonnet]

Apparently deaf, idk

[modest wagon]

He's looking for the +100% aura buff and return of Stellar Flare post

[fickle pier]

and thirsty

[winged moss]

I am deaf irl

[fickle pier]

[craggy sonnet]

See

[winged moss]

How does this Guy knows

[mild chasm]

that a buff or a nerf now ?

[craggy sonnet]

Did you read it?

[fickle pier]

idk you only take that talent to pad on orbs on dragons, its not widely used

[frank vine]

quick intermission in the discussion of meteorites, orbit breaker > sundered firmament in m+?

[modest wagon]

probably not, unless you like micromanaging the 30 stacks to get the moon to land on big pull

then probably more directly comparable

[lofty depot]

Not true

Meteorites good

[modest wagon]

Think he's thinking of Meteor Storm

[lofty depot]

That good too

[modest wagon]

Definitely better for padding on orbs than Meteorites lol

[craggy sonnet]

Well, if you press Starfall

[craggy sonnet]

If only they had not fixed tier set crashing star

[frank vine]

how can you micromanage the moon because you dont really control the shooting stars (other than solstice windows)

[frank vine]

they removed that interaction?

[normal pilot]

rollback to 11.3 and use a WA

[craggy sonnet]

They removed it counting every hit from the aoe effect

But yeah idk. Sundered guarantees Atmos exposure uptime during incarn, orbit throws big fun balls at enemies

[frank vine]

sadge, now its surely more optimal to go firmament? altho i was watching dwilkz and krona and they're using orbit breaker so im just confused with what is optimal

[craggy sonnet]

Take your pick

It probably is not super impactful either direction idk

[frank vine]

big fun balls sounds like low cortisol talent

[frank vine]

going sunseeker shrooms over astral communion is good?

[modest wagon]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-the-neat-part-you-dont-invincible-gif-27194608

astral communion significantly diminished value if ur not overflowing tons of AP

im running both tho

[frank vine]

wait, what talent do you drop in that case?

[modest wagon]

im assuming soul of the forest

idk ur build tho

[digital berry]

What is that build for

M+?

[frank vine]

this is M+ EC yes

i just snipped the spec part

[digital berry]

Starweaver ?

[modest wagon]

hell yeah starweaver

[frank vine]

starweaver is peak

according to what gamz told me, it does outperform rattle

[digital berry]

Hmm if it does then why does dg have rattle in the ec m+ build

[modest wagon]

im not taking umbral embrace for sunseekers, it's probably very similar tho

[frank vine]

gotcha, thanks man

[frank vine]

that is a question for gamz

[modest wagon]

rattle also good

[digital berry]

Damn liar

[frank vine]

i mean, you probably dont lose really much from rattle

[modest wagon]

just no gamba

[digital berry]

Tbh i cba to play rattle in m+

[frank vine]

and gamba is good

[modest wagon]

probably more DPS during opening lust pulls with rattle, not wasting gcds on surge

[lofty depot]

Weaver is good

Think or it breaker is good aswell

[lucid olive]

Idk if I've said that, maybe taken out of context

[digital berry]

Can’t imagine it’d be a good idea to even cast surge on a big 10+ pull even with a free proc no

[frank vine]

maybe i misunderstood it yes

[modest wagon]

Free procs beget free procs

never stop gambling

[frank vine]

you might be topping dps, you might be below tank and thats the fun of it

[modest wagon]

Insane variance

Is it because you break your keyboard when u get no procs, ik i do

[royal zenith]

that's the biggest cope

[frank vine]

i asked if weaver outperforms and you said that for EC in m+ it usually does but you werent sure across all builds

lemme see

[royal zenith]

It's so much fun being below the tank!

woohoooo

[frank vine]

here it is

[modest wagon]

gamz legally liable now if you get outdps'd by tank

[lofty depot]

Chinese pushers playing it so surely it's good

Mmhm mmhm

[frank vine]

exactly my thought process

[rough flax]

Free proc even on starsurge = soltice=4set

[frank vine]

and imagine if they hadn't removed the interaction with orbit breaker

we would be thriving

[digital berry]

Well they did so that’s kind of irrelevant

[lofty depot]

Well it would be op

It still interacts

It just doesn't make a million of them

[eager raft]

@jade flume you’re really the goat

[jade flume]

Thank u homie

Sometimes lucky type shit

[eager raft]

And humble too

[jade flume]

Im just a bamkin main on a side mission

They will buff us one day

[eager raft]

Yeah I haven’t played bamkin since nerubar but one day we’ll be back

[royal zenith]

hopefully balance will never be good then

gottem

[eager raft]

Hope you had a nice day at work deux enjoy your weekend 🙂

[hasty shard]

Hihi there. Is there a place where we can see any current Balance bugs atm? I looked on Dreamgrove as I thought they were usually on top of the guide there but not this time around it seems. (Or I'm a blind idiot) Just wondering because I've seen the talent Power of Goldwrin going off several times but I don't see it on Details. Just a curiosity is all. Thanks.

[lofty depot]

Details doesn't show it (iirc) but on log it's part of starsurge

[normal pilot]

the in-game damage meter is kind of useless if you're doing any sort of analysis

just save yourself some time and go straight to logs if you want to look into things

[celest narwhal]

why hasn’t logs made there own damage meters

[hasty shard]

Ugh. Another one of those situations, righty. Thanks for the help folks. Appreciate it.

[celest narwhal]

with the premium logs

would make them bank

[normal pilot]

game's just not made for ppl who're hardcore enough to try to check if a talent is proccing or not

[lofty depot]

I don't like the "who're" word

Lol

[drifting nova]

allergic to english?

[lucid olive]

They tried but blizz didn't let em

[teal sphinx]

I know i asked you, but I forgot what are you playing?

[red nymph]

does anyone else have issues when trying to use eclipse after an instant spell?

like the spell queue on eclipse feels none existent

[jolly delta]

would make them look incompetent

[jolly delta]

spell queue is broken in game for everyone tbh

[red nymph]

i ONLY notice it when trying to use eclipse after FoE specifically

[drifting nova]

can you make blizzard look more incompetent?

can you go lower?

[jolly delta]

also remember than eclipse has a shorter gcd so there's that

[drifting nova]

the what queue

[red nymph]

disregarded

[drifting nova]

just press ya buttons, blud

[red nymph]

yeah spells cast after eclipse feels fine

its eclipse after instant casts that feels delayed

[jolly delta]

but yeah idk specifically about that but there are many issues with spellqueue in general atm

so I wouldnt be surprised

[red nymph]

gotcha

[drifting nova]

am now honoured with the ravenholdt, big

or wait..revered

[lucid olive]

You get from the anecdotal Reddit thread or

That one got some stuff wrong apparently

[jolly delta]

no im playing frost mage

and resto still has the occasional swiftmend bug

[lucid olive]

There being spellqueue issues for frost mage doesn't mean there's a problem overall

They could also all be caused by different things

[jolly delta]

sure i mean i dont play every spec so maybe that's incorrect but

the two i play

have spellq issues

[lucid olive]

Not like it matters a lot, just good to not throw blanket "it's bugged for everyone in the game" around right

Ye

MM hunter has some weird shit with spellqueue after cast time too afaik

[normal pilot]

instants are bugged for a lot of specs

[lucid olive]

Eclipse probably has some bugs too since people complain about pressing the button and it not going off

[red nymph]

if im not the only one, thats good enough for me

[lucid olive]

I heard Enhance has something with Hot Hands where the proc indicator on the UI is predictive and shows up a little before you actually get the proc, which leads to potentially missing a GCD at the end of the duration

Might be paraphrasing that but listened to Wordup rant about it for a bit

[eager raft]

Warlock

Been splitting between destro and demo based on bosses but I think destro is a psyop

So I’m gonna go all in on demo

[hushed jetty]

can anyone craft me some gear? I am new. I'll pay for mats ofc and tip

[eager raft]

Ask in trade chat in game. Crafting orders are restricted to people on your realm or in your guild.

[hushed jetty]

Okay I didn't know, thanks. My friend told me not to place a crafting order because those don't guarantee a crafter that can get max item level. Is this good advice? What should I ask for in trade chat?

Sorry to bother

[eager raft]

that’s only the case with public crafting orders since you can’t choose the minimum quality. With personal orders (and guild orders) you can set a minimum quality to guarantee max rank.

[lofty depot]

I've sent multiple public orders

[charred mango]

more like nerdup gottem

[eager raft]

Just type something along the line of “LF Leatherworker for [item slot]” or “LF jewelcrafter for ring/neck” or “LF scribe for staff”

And people will respond. Then just put their name in the name field for personal orders

[craggy sonnet]

yeah, i noticed that one right away when first going to the dummy with the new eclipse

[hushed jetty]

okay thanks!

[craggy sonnet]

pretty sure it is just the spellqueue thing tho

[charred mango]

every time i see people public order 285s i'm like

the headache of getting a recraft if someone does it badly is so much more annoying than getting a personal craft done to start with

[eager raft]

If you don’t get people responding it could be because you’re horde on an alliance heavy server or vice versa. If that’s the case, just make a character on same server opposite faction and ask trade chat there.

This guide has all the info you’ll need on the system https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/professions-crafting-orders-and-recrafting

[hushed jetty]

makes sense, I'm alliance on argent dawn so it should be good

[hushed jetty]

thanks this is useful, I was watching a youtube video about it right now haha

[eager raft]

npnp

[lofty depot]

Respectable giving actual advice

Crazy world

[dull dust]

its jover for u

[loud kettle]

It is my world yea

Everything revolves around me

[lucid olive]

Real obvious you were talking to a bunch of Americans here since nobody reacted to this..

[lucid olive]

what is it you need crafted

[lofty depot]

Sorry I know that like tarren mill, twisting nether and w.e. laughing skull are hot beds, kazzak is the ragnaros of EU... What else I gotta know

[lucid olive]

if it's some leather and a staff i can invite you to guild and do the craft and you can /gquit after

[lucid olive]

argent dawn is peak RP server

laughing skull isn't a hot bed it's a really small server

[lofty depot]

Ok, so the moon guard of eu

[lucid olive]

No

Moonguard is the Argent Dawn of US

[lofty depot]

That doesn't make sense

[eager raft]

Only good eu server is pozzo del eternita

[lucid olive]

L

pozzo eternita, sanguino, grim batol

all on a watchlist

[eager raft]

That’s my boy vinters server

[lucid olive]

for some reason all the german realm names start with "black"

the most popular ones at least

blackrock, blackhand, blackmoore

like

the Hyjal and Dalaran players as well

watchlisted

@scenic mist am i right

(havent seen you in here in forever ashi i miss you)

[lofty depot]

Seems like a lot of watch list realms

[lucid olive]

yes

[teal sphinx]

Demo is actually insane bro

[lucid olive]

I tried out NA last year and it's not comparable

[teal sphinx]

Fucking nerf lock man

[charred mango]

the only realm names i specifically recognize in US are the portuguese ones

[lucid olive]

amount of different cultures and words for shit on EU is crazy

[lofty depot]

Ragnaros, azalorn or w.e. and then quel w.e. the fuck

[charred mango]

yep

[eager raft]

It just got nerfed this week (bug fix)

[charred mango]

ragnaros azralon quel'thalas

[lofty depot]

Those are watchlist forsureewe

[eager raft]

It’s still pretty good tho

[dull dust]

nah

rag goated players

[charred mango]

didn't say bad

[lucid olive]

argent dawn poppin...

[lofty depot]

And if ur on illidan, u download block chinese

[charred mango]

but language barrier is real

[eager raft]

Hey deux

[royal zenith]

looking at all the dickheads in here... the server doesnt matter one bit..

[eager raft]

Hm coming in a bit aggro

[lofty depot]

What the helly

[royal zenith]

[eager raft]

Maybe take a breather and come back a little kinder

[lucid olive]

kazzak player..

[normal pilot]

respectable the only respectable balance chatter

[drifting nova]

KAZZAK ALERTO

[eager raft]

TRUE

[drifting nova]

I actually found a server worse than kazzak last week

[lucid olive]

all my characters are either laughing skull, draenor or US illidan

[drifting nova]

SANGUINO

[lucid olive]

sanguino is the worst

[red nymph]

there is only 1 true dickhead in here and its the person that removed me from a raid group because i didnt give him the trinket i rolled a 100 on

[drifting nova]

I mightve hit them with a few bad words

they did grief the key

[charred mango]

all my characters are either zul'jin or i have not logged into them in a decade

[drifting nova]

pos9 bricked the first pull then refused to play the key

[lucid olive]

cause any spanish player who are good will just play on english speaking realms in english speaking guilds

[drifting nova]

couldnt abandon as they were duo

so..my fault for trying to do a key ig

(yes I hopped servers to flame his guild)

[teal sphinx]

Nerf it again idc

[lucid olive]

the region specific servers that stand on their own are the ones where the people don't historically speak english as much

[scenic mist]

how could you not mention Archimonde

[drifting nova]

I dont like blackmoore that much

but there are alot of them

[eager raft]

Why man 🙁 I’m having fun!

[lucid olive]

oh yeah archimonde as well

[scenic mist]

yeah i stepped down, my WoW time is done. I'm a Syndra onetrick now

[drifting nova]

possel del eterntia is almost kazzak tier

[lucid olive]

cringe

[scenic mist]

ikr

[teal sphinx]

Sorry my anti lock bias is creeping out. I guess for you buff it

[lucid olive]

i thougt i saw ashinature on a quichons kill

must have dreamt it

[charred mango]

i know there are a bunch of OCE realms but i never learn which ones they are, i just know not to sign up for keys that say OCE in the title so i don't have to deal with 300 ping

[lucid olive]

only OCE realm worth knowing is Frostmane

[scenic mist]

still a win

my 1st LoL season ever is going ok ig

[eager raft]

Are u a devourer gamer now

[lucid olive]

i expected more

[scenic mist]

i mean i legit played my first game ever this season

i'm the most clueless ever

[lucid olive]

mhm mhm

[charred mango]

i've had league on my computer for about 7 years and still have never played a game

tft only

[eager raft]

Nah man starting to play league as an adult is wild

We need to send a wellness check

[scenic mist]

yeah

[red nymph]

idk how people get into league anymore. that game is hard AF

[scenic mist]

especially in season 16

[lucid olive]

i'll probably not play TFT until like 3 sets from now

[stark meteor]

worst mistake of my life

[charred mango]

i've played 3 games of the pbe that's up rn for the set that comes out next week and it's pretty shit

don't blame u

[lucid olive]

set 16 was so fucking good and i feel like i played enough of it

next sets won't be able to compare

[stark meteor]

is this a new account or do i just suck that bad

[eager raft]

I really thought they’d have unlocks as an evergreen feature

[lucid olive]

if its his first games then probably new account yeah

[eager raft]

It feels so silly to leave that mechanic behind

[scenic mist]

yeah it's new, i just started

[charred mango]

i'm probably gonna play some anyway but yeah i have... let's see

[lucid olive]

I think they will, but they work on multiple sets simultaneously

[charred mango]

680 games of set 16

[stark meteor]

did my placements, got silver 4, spent basically all my ranked games with and against high gold low plat

[eager raft]

Yeah good point

Could have them back for 18

[lucid olive]

So even if they decided to make the unlock system evergreen they wouldn't have had time to do it for set 17

ye

[stark meteor]

on euw too so your rank instantly means 20x more than mine xd

[eager raft]

I haven’t played or watched any pbe yet

[charred mango]

i'm also like

[lucid olive]

Also I can trust them to come up with something as cool as unlocks

[charred mango]

pretty capped at low master

[lucid olive]

Unlocks definitely had some downsides

[stark meteor]

what lane and champs have you been enjoying

[eager raft]

I’m still pretty all in on wow midnight rn

[charred mango]

so not that hard to get back to there and stop

[lucid olive]

yeah I'm just playing WoW + doing school now

not booted up anothe game in forever

[scenic mist]

sooooooooo

mainly Syndra mid

x)

occasional smolder against malzahar

[stark meteor]

LOL

[charred mango]

also think it made a lot of sense to go hard on unlocks and then give it a set or two to breathe while they incorporated the data of what worked best and what didn't

[eager raft]

Sprinkle in some Leona when you get autofilled support

[stark meteor]

have you played any ori? my friend who plays a lot of syndra also loves her

karma is a solid blind for support too

[scenic mist]

yeah i do

[lucid olive]

yeah definitely

[digital berry]

goddamn balance discord is going wildly off topic today

[scenic mist]

but when syndra is banned i usually go ahri or galio depending on the comp

[lucid olive]

also they could just scrap unlocks and come up with something cooler as well

[charred mango]

mhm

[scenic mist]

that's a change

[stark meteor]

she was forced to play the role nobody else wants to

[eager raft]

The no carousel gimmick seems like it’s gonna be a big miss

[lucid olive]

yeah.. do you think a small pin about the Star Cascade bug would make it on topic again?

[dark siren]

Oh wait I can join in on this lol

[stark meteor]

@dark siren i fucking love sona as a counterpick

when u have an adc that actually plays as a lane bully and fights with you it's so nice

[digital berry]

Please do I need to know

[dull dust]

I dont wanna link 2m on riven

[stark meteor]

LOL

[dull dust]

people will think less of me

[stark meteor]

id think less of you with 2 million on an abnormal champion

[digital berry]

Less than 0 is ?

[dull dust]

[dark siren]

Facts, I haven’t touched league in months due to moving (went from fiber WiFi to 300mb/s) but sona has been a main since I started playing

[digital berry]

[red nymph]

like 2mill on cassiopeia. couldnt be me

[stark meteor]

i do have an actual balance question

[analog moat]

42

[red nymph]

there is just something about that number

[scenic mist]

glyph of stars is a dps nerf

[stark meteor]

for m+: parse % vs key %, which one actually matters? am i comparing myself against people running like mage/aug evoker in the parse %?

[lucid olive]

none of em matter

what matters is timing the key

[scenic mist]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/933386399279878154/991343673419763753/caption.gif

[charred mango]

compare time you finished key in to time key allows

[red nymph]

except if you have CM gear mogged. adding lightning aura cant possibly be a nerf

[digital berry]

Warcraftlogs score for m+ is entirely made up and irrelevant

[stark meteor]

then how am i going to have big numbers go up

[lucid olive]

if you did bit less dmg than other guy but you stopped 20 more casts then you did better

[stark meteor]

https://tenor.com/view/regretting-thinking-nervous-macaco-monkey-gif-13105982953111325972

i need shiny numbers

[scenic mist]

CM as in MoP challenge Mode ?

[red nymph]

yeah

[scenic mist]

i mean

[lofty depot]

By doing more damage

But faster

[scenic mist]

i do like my owl skin with the big WoD CM polearm on the back

[stark meteor]

dreamgrove balance experts are going to take me out back and shoot me for my numbers

[lucid olive]

The talent Star Cascade in Elune's Chosen is currently bugged.

1. It can proc while at full AP.
   Additionally it procs whenever Wrath/Starfire hits the target and not on finished cast.

2. It does not proc from Wrath unless you have already casted Starfire on the same target.
   This one probably needs a bit more testing, but so far this seems to be the case.

[stark meteor]

algethar and skyreach were nightmare runs i dont want to, talk about that

[dull dust]

looks good

[scenic mist]

if you want actual help you'd better link the logs rather than put a screenshot

[lofty depot]

Don't do that, then I'll have to look at them

[stark meteor]

i dont want to put arctic through that again

[scenic mist]

and arctic might actually take you outback

[dull dust]

jelous?

[stark meteor]

crying and throwing up rn

[dull dust]

[lofty depot]

Thoughts

[teal sphinx]

Fuck no, I refuse to touch DH ever. Im still arms

[stark meteor]

can i look at your logs on pit of saron +12

i want to see what youre doing and pulling vs what im doing

[red nymph]

too many MC runs tbh

[lofty depot]

Pit weird

[scenic mist]

i guess there are some kind of trinkets or jewelry in NPX and Pit ?

[lofty depot]

Some tanks decide to be stupid

[lucid olive]

aint nobody giving a shit about your m+ parses..

[lofty depot]

Double ring in npx

Neck in pit

[stark meteor]

my damage falls off so hard after the first few big pulls so i know im misplaying hard as fuck

[dull dust]

60 keys ran

[lofty depot]

Actually I was showing the demonic amount of runs

[dull dust]

[lofty depot]

78 actually

[stark meteor]

i care about your m+ parses....

[dull dust]

bruh

[lucid olive]

is that a lot?

[lofty depot]

Idk why some not there, shrug

[digital berry]

80% of my m+ runs ain’t even logged cause who cares

[lucid olive]

have guildies with over 90 keys just this week

[dull dust]

I just turn the thing on automatically and dont think about it

[scenic mist]

caring about m+ parse is like caring about overall damage

[royal zenith]

why would you need to log to care

[scenic mist]

couldnt be me

[royal zenith]

logic??

[charred mango]

log ick

[royal zenith]

yeah peeps I did an 18 but I didn't log it so yeah

[lofty depot]

Half ur guild pushes tho surely

[royal zenith]

it doesnt exist basically

[lucid olive]

no

[dull dust]

we are pad spec overall is all we do

[lucid olive]

its Draco doing 10s helping people..

[lofty depot]

W mans

[royal zenith]

[dull dust]

can draco help my 220hpala

[digital berry]

90 runs in a week is crazy work

[lucid olive]

I have 35

[scenic mist]

amateur

[lofty depot]

Not really

[dull dust]

also on na

[eager raft]

Oh sick arms is kinda popping off

[lucid olive]

would probably have had more, but been busy

[digital berry]

That’s almost full time job hours

[lofty depot]

I need to farm some keys on dh this weekend

[stark meteor]

had a nightmare +5 since my friend is gearing up his tank wanted to puke

[dull dust]

its week 3 so the only acceptable amount is 24

[charred mango]

I’ve done 3.5 keys on druid this week

[royal zenith]

[lofty depot]

Took 2 days off, + weekend. Ezpz

[dull dust]

in keys its not bad rn

it just does 0 st

[scenic mist]

https://tenor.com/view/why-shouldnt-i-keep-it-its-mine-i-found-it-i-want-it-bilbo-baggins-gif-22374768

[royal zenith]

Ive seen biz his video

[charred mango]

haven’t even gotten my quest box yet

[royal zenith]

literally 0 st

[dull dust]

afk durring bosses

chad

[stark meteor]

how do we fuck up and die on the mt bosses in a +5

[eager raft]

You really don’t know anything do you

[fickle pier]

so true. Doing like 105k as EC and my arms buddy with bis trinkets is doing like 70 on bosses

[royal zenith]

damn

it's on place 8th

[eager raft]

Deuxmbass

[royal zenith]

big up!!

[eager raft]

There are like 60 specs

Also it’s 7th

Can’t even count

[digital berry]

Smh that’s why he lost mod

[stark meteor]

survival hunter 🤤

[eager raft]

I’m ngl some of these specs are very propped up by fights that don’t matter

[stark meteor]

god i wish gnomes could be druids

[eager raft]

Dev evoker actually stinks on the hard fights

[hushed jetty]

Hi, sorry I was eating. I think it's probably best i do the 4 mythics first to see what hero gear I get

[lucid olive]

hm wonder what key i've done most..

[lucid olive]

sure

[eager raft]

Switch the first letters of point and xenas and say it out loud

😂 😂 😂

[stark meteor]

xoint penas 😱

[lucid olive]

what

[eager raft]

😭

[lucid olive]

he said letters plural so i read that as letters of both words

so xent poinas

thats nonsense

[normal pilot]

smh so much for respectable chatter

[lucid olive]

smh canadian respectable

[eager raft]

you can’t take it back now

You already said it it’s immortalized forever

[digital berry]

He hasn’t been the same since he abandoned balance

[stark meteor]

leveling a gnome monk RN love her so much

[lucid olive]

not true

he's always been a bitch..

respectable getting rank 2 on an early mythic boss and then reporting the rank 1 so he could snatch it

[eager raft]

[stark meteor]

why dont more people play gnomes

i fw gnomes so heavy

[lucid olive]

they cant be druids

pretty simple one there chief

[stark meteor]

they should be able to be druids

[scenic mist]

epstein files ?

[lucid olive]

😭

[stark meteor]

not like that theyre just endearing

[digital berry]

Gnomes ain’t children what

[scenic mist]

surely they said the same thing

[eager raft]

It worked

Just sent a quick email to Warcraft logs support at 4am

[lucid olive]

I swear that tier is the same as current one

[digital berry]

That’s crazy work

[lucid olive]

only way to parse un Undermine was to play like a padding pig

same thing now

[ionic surge]

@eager raft did you know that i'm HIM on brewmaster now

[eager raft]

In my defense the guy actually cheated

[scenic mist]

not true

you could do what i did

[eager raft]

I didn’t know that but it doesn’t surprise me

[digital berry]

All of that for a cauldron 100 parse

[scenic mist]

play the boss dmg parse

[eager raft]

You’ve always been him

[ionic surge]

ez

[lucid olive]

thats what i did too

[eager raft]

It was the only boss time I played boomy all tier so I wanted the 100avg

[scenic mist]

i wont forgive you

[eager raft]

[ionic surge]

@eager raft look at me bro

[lucid olive]

holy

[ionic surge]

full pugging masterclass

[digital berry]

Heroic parses

[eager raft]

God damn miike you’re cranking

[lucid olive]

miikeul the french monk

[ionic surge]

they can't stop me

[eager raft]

Hey man we are absolutely not going to disrespect Miike in this channel

[ionic surge]

not carried by guild anymore

sucks tho

[lucid olive]

la petite un heineken master

[eager raft]

Not in a million years

[ionic surge]

indeed

[dull dust]

brew is disgusting rn

[scenic mist]

👀

[ionic surge]

its cool broseph stalin, let him be

he doesnt know

[dull dust]

why are Brews doing 80kdps in keys st

[eager raft]

these new wave boomys don’t know the goat

[dull dust]

[digital berry]

I don’t know indeed

[ionic surge]

thats like very rare ngkl

im pulling some sick 120k overalls in 10s tho

[ionic surge]

they werent there when the legends walked amongst us

[dull dust]

do more dmg lil gup

[ionic surge]

they dont remember the goat yomamadr

[ionic surge]

i AM the damage

[dull dust]

[woven flint]

good old shadowlands

[ionic surge]

he knows

[woven flint]

my goat bringing the incap roar tech for stacks

publicly

[lucid olive]

only 80k??

think I did 120k overall as bear last night

and my bear keys have all been with intellect enchants cause i cba changing it..

[dull dust]

s t

[raven gorge]

are you able to interrupt the right lothraxion without blowing up your group in nexus point? or is your interrupt to large of a radius

[ionic surge]

you see this squad pull up you know you're F U C K E D

[lucid olive]

is that personal tabard

[ionic surge]

na

[scenic mist]

no

[ionic surge]

tcg

[teal sphinx]

Yea it took quite a few buffs but its there. Now they just need to prune it a tad and stop making the new apex talent cost rage when it procs

[eager raft]

Miikfu goes kinda hard

[ionic surge]

say my dh's name out loud

[dull dust]

why is one of ur dudes a campfire

[eager raft]

Isn’t execute weird rn too

[eager raft]

HA

[ionic surge]

he was turned into soup for being bad

[dull dust]

[ionic surge]

@eager raft are you eu

[dense steeple]

hes na

[ionic surge]

tragic

you ever need any keys on EU you know Miikfu got your back

[lucid olive]

my squad could take em

[ionic surge]

mog game weak

[eager raft]

One of these days I’ll get bored and spin up an eu account

[ionic surge]

background 10/10

[lucid olive]

nah

maybe the warlock on the right

[royal zenith]

oh look roleplayers

[lucid olive]

the two druids on the left are lit

[ionic surge]

im sorry bro

they both have the wrong boots

its joever for them

[lucid olive]

you dont hate on my nikes

[ionic surge]

https://tenor.com/view/islam-astaghfirullah-haram-gif-22586634

[digital berry]

https://tenor.com/view/arab-cat-gif-17552437121878202478

[dull dust]

https://tenor.com/view/jordans-gif-23637147

[ionic surge]

https://tenor.com/view/wow-world-of-warcraft-login-loginwow-login-meme-gif-12215928468343350012

[amber temple]

https://tenor.com/view/pomni-the-amazing-digital-circus-tadc-pomni-smirk-smirk-gif-16561828646995621947

How it feels trying to optimise Balance on the Single Button Assistant

God I wish I didn’t have arthritis this spec is my favourite alongside feral 😢

[stark meteor]

im the most fashionable bitch in the world!!!!!

[jade flume]

do i feral frenzy on babamkin

[teal sphinx]

Yea its like strong but not at the same time. You get rage starved so hard this tier its pretty bad. And while execute hits, it like doesnt hit hard enough IMHO

[ionic surge]

i'd nut on meg too

[amber temple]

I have a suggestion to buff warrior

[stark meteor]

:(

[teal sphinx]

Real af

[jade flume]

man, is 2min convoke worth for the egg on beloner

anyone knows

[amber temple]

Attach a screen into their retina that feeds them fandom twitters

Infinite rage

Wait….that wouldn’t work

[teal sphinx]

Let them listen to a Frenchmen brag about aotc kills to generate rage

[dull dust]

nut

[amber temple]

Warriors cannot read

[ionic surge]

who in their right mind would do that

:clueless:

[stark meteor]

like the spice

[eager raft]

Yeah that’s exactly what the warrior in my guild said after pally boss

[royal zenith]

damn you're so in the know respectable

[teal sphinx]

Yea like it either needs to hit harder or refund more rage if it doesnt kill the target 10% is way too little. And in colossus hero spec execute is even worse, which is what he would run on pallies

[ionic surge]

did @jolly delta tell you guys how he BETRAYED me in our pug after i invited him ?

[lucid olive]

can you even do that

i know cat form hotw is supposed to but didn they enforce the role agnostic thing for hotw

since feral would probably enter moonkin form and press hotw for dmg

[normal pilot]

cat form convoke gives you feral frenzy

[jade flume]

tbh no clue

never tried lol

what talents do i play for 1 phase beloren tho

do i send 2min convoke?

is it even better than 1min

[royal zenith]

sim it looq!!

smh

[dull dust]

lock in

[royal zenith]

what timer is egg in mythic

[dull dust]

6 or 7

[royal zenith]

https://gifconvert.vxtwitter.com/convert.avif?url=https://video.twimg.com/tweet_video/HEGNdqebQAAUctf.mp4

[lucid olive]

yeah probably

i did a 40 second sim last night to see what talents it took and its https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2f9oLhrRbH5x8wqNnj7KfY

not saying thats the 100% correct talents tho

[dull dust]

now edit it todo feral convoke

[royal zenith]

so you gain 10k in burst from swapping fully to a build that's good for 40 seconds of burst damage?

dunno if that's worth

[lucid olive]

those 40 seconds are important

the egg phase is 30 seconds i think

just didnt bother making 30s sim when 40s is a choice in the dropdown

[royal zenith]

that's not the argument though

of course the egg phase is important

[lucid olive]

not like the ww monk and ele shaman do a lot outside of egg either

[royal zenith]

but it's also important to push boss at specific timers and or make the rest of the fight easier

[lucid olive]

but yeah it just depends what gives you highest likelihood of killing boss

i think 2m convoke is a given

[dull dust]

ww monk Chad class

[royal zenith]

you would need to do an actual fight sim

@obsidian jetty get to work!!

where are the days you guys used to adjust apl to match a fight

[lucid olive]

the new text boxes are almost everywhere now!! @jolly delta

[dull dust]

I didnt try vinters thing yet

oh shit

dont beat me

[lofty depot]

Smh

U said u were going to

[craggy sonnet]

cant do it on phone

unluggi

[dull dust]

vinter make it work phone

[craggy sonnet]

💀

[dull dust]

I need to fix ec anyway

[craggy sonnet]

but did you sim EC

[lucid olive]

yes

[craggy sonnet]

oh you did

[lucid olive]

its in there

[craggy sonnet]

ye, im blind asf

[royal zenith]

this EC agenda

[lucid olive]

didnt sim with your apl tho

[craggy sonnet]

simming short fights it might be doing odd things

[normal pilot]

ec with 5s convoke surely

[lucid olive]

is convoke proccing star cascade in sims

its not right

i cba checking

[craggy sonnet]

logs

or sims?

[lucid olive]

had logs on my mind meant sims

[craggy sonnet]

uhhh, whatever it does ingame .. i think gas made it like that

recently

[jolly delta]

mine is better chance can vouch

[jolly delta]

nevermind

its joever

[craggy sonnet]

when updates? shares are going down

[jolly delta]

first of all you didn't invite me and second I saved you from 10 mins of pure cringe

[jolly delta]

what shares

[craggy sonnet]

https://github.com/simulationcraft/simc/commit/2137add1df293a9f5fd11fc2dc348982e362dd89
probably with this one? i think convoke spells count as procs, right? idk

[craggy sonnet]

your one user (me) getting tilted by new tabs/profiles just insta closing

[lucid olive]

yeah thats probably right

[dull dust]

wym nevermind

dont give up on me

[craggy sonnet]

ples fix

[drifting nova]

whats the starfall debuff called

too lazy to login

[craggy sonnet]

what debuff

[drifting nova]

the starfall one

[craggy sonnet]

its a buff on yourself, right?

[drifting nova]

no the enemy

[craggy sonnet]

[drifting nova]

idk I just copied a dreamrift build from wcl

with convoke

you think I read talents?

[craggy sonnet]

i have no clue what you are talking about

[drifting nova]

now I must get back to pickpocketing 1200 lockboxes

[delicate perch]

Have we not learned to not interact with kekkers yet

[drifting nova]

toxic

[craggy sonnet]

oh, trust me .. im already questioning my choice rn

[drifting nova]

wonder how much itd be to buy lockboxes from someone..wonder if anyone still does this

[junior stirrup]

are we going to be unable to increase the ilvl of crafted staff in the next patch? the patch notes state fully ypgraded gear

[lucid olive]

good question

[junior stirrup]

wowhead and the item tooltip both say diff things apparently

[lucid olive]

haven't got a clue, i suspect you can check on the PTR

[junior stirrup]

might be worth me taking a myth 1h in vault this week instead of socket if so

[dull dust]

@lofty depot

lock in guys remove the dragons

I hit yes on all of them

[lucid olive]

@brave gulch happy holidays

[spice roost]

boomie stonks down

[brave gulch]

let me guess man you're talking about world femboy day or smth

[dull dust]

boomkin unironicly gunna lose like 8 places on overall bosses

after that

[lucid olive]

[dull dust]

is it femboy day?

[brave gulch]

apparently

I've gotten like 6 people pinging or messaging me about it

[leaden birch]

any tips for the first pull of windrunner spire?

or am I supposed to just keel over and die every time

[brave gulch]

use personals when they cast arcane salvo

otherwise trust your healer to dispel and heal

[leaden birch]

I pop heart and I still get wrecked

[brave gulch]

ya thats kind of a healer heal kinda moment

[late coral]

Hi, is anyone using weakauras for his balance interface to replace cdm ? Can't find any updated one for m33kauras

[lucid olive]

I think Oi is the only one

https://wago.io/OIUI123

[hushed jetty]

@lucid olive you still available for crafting ? ^^ finally finished my mythics

[lucid olive]

sure what do you need

[hushed jetty]

I've still got green shoulders and boots

[lucid olive]

well i wouldnt craft shoulders since thats a tier slot

[charred mango]

ok did my fourth dungeon and i fkin knew pvp was a waste of time

[hushed jetty]

That means that's part of a set right?

like these pants?

[lucid olive]

yes

[hushed jetty]

Okay, so maybe boots then?

So tier sets come only from raids?

my boots are pretty bad too

[lucid olive]

No, you can get them from the weekly vault or from the Catalyst, where you can take pieces you get from almost any content (unsure about timewalking) and turn them into tier set items

which is here in silvermoon

interact with the lava fountain thing

[hushed jetty]

Ah yes, I use the catalyst on the pants, they were originally not set items

[craggy sonnet]

think they gotta be on the seasonal upgrade track to be transformable

[lucid olive]

yeah probably

i was gonna say any seasonal content

but timewalking still drops like veteran or something and i remember something buggy with catalyzing timewalking pieces in tww

[hushed jetty]

my trinkets are pretty bad as well actually

[lucid olive]

i would probably craft a weapon first

and then maybe belt since you had bad belt

[hushed jetty]

oh no my belt is good

my weapon is okay too

[lucid olive]

yeah i would definitely craft a weapon

[sweet path]

What do you think 'bout that ?

[lucid olive]

you can use crests to craft and make them higher ilvl

and weapons are the best upgrades you can get

[hushed jetty]

aren't the crafted items like 260 ilvl?

[lucid olive]

depends if you use crests or not

[hushed jetty]

oh damn

But I don't have crests

[lucid olive]

then crafting it at 259 ilvl is still a good power gain since you can put embellishments on it as well

[hushed jetty]

What are embelishments?

[lucid olive]

and if you enchant a crafted item at 259 you can still have it recrafted later at higher ilvl when you get crests

[dense steeple]

i saw a guy from melee mechanics

i told him to tell adept i said ❤️

and adept said "no"

[lucid olive]

the equip effect on this weapon is an embellishment

[dense steeple]

unbelievable

[hushed jetty]

Oh okay, and those can only go on crafted gear?

[lucid olive]

yeah

and you can have max 2 of them

there are several embellishment effects

you can also read the gearing guide over on wowhead when it comes to early and late crafts

[hushed jetty]

Sure I will look it up haha

Seems like it's more complicated than I thought

[warm briar]

Not rly

[hushed jetty]

Do you have any idea how much it costs? I don't have that much money

[digital berry]

It's just a lot of systems you have to learn at once

but they are rather simple

[lucid olive]

i can craft you a staff for free its fine

[sweet path]

can you tell me if it's a nerf or something ? please ❤️

[hushed jetty]

Are you sure? I don't mind paying

[lucid olive]

you can tip whatever you want

[clever vigil]

crazy slander.

[lucid olive]

gold has no value, its a video game

[hushed jetty]

Fair haha

[drifting nova]

wanna give me a loan of 1million dollars

[hushed jetty]

And crafted items can be recrafted? and the extra cost is the crests?

[lucid olive]

the crests and some mats

[dense steeple]

we've both been duped!

[hushed jetty]

Is the guide one of these?

the one you were refering to

[lucid olive]

sure

there are tons of guides on crafting

[clever vigil]

shaman players.

[lucid olive]

if you want to learn about the systems you should probably check them out

[hushed jetty]

Oh okay I thought you had a specific one in mind that was comprehensive

I will def read up on it

[lucid olive]

but if you dont wanna read all that, theres probably some good youtube videos about crafting as well

[dense steeple]

true

[lucid olive]

or just regular youtube videos about gearing

probably lots of those "how to get strong in midnight season 1!" videos out

[hushed jetty]

I don't mind reading

I prefer a good guide, as a new player it's hard to navigate those videos a lot of them feel clickbaity or don't tell me anything new

[lucid olive]

yeah theres a lot of talking without actually saying anything

thats youtube 101

[hushed jetty]

Like most of them will just say to do the weekly quests, world boss and boutiful delves which is probably good advice (idk) but none mentioned crafting I had no idea it was even a thing until my friend showed it to me

[lucid olive]

yeah..

[drifting nova]

crafting should be deleted

[hushed jetty]

Should I add you on battlenet? or whisper you ingame or smth?

[late coral]

Ty, at least now i have a base to build my wa from scratch

[hushed jetty]

sent

[drifting nova]

sent

[digital berry]

ok

[meager storm]

its ok u got bonus rolls in 11 days

[digital berry]

i lowk dont understand how that works in raids like loot is not personal anyway

[craggy sonnet]

you get a currency you can spend

to do the bonus roll

[charred mango]

click button get piece of gear

[craggy sonnet]

its gonna ask you whether you want to spend them or not

[charred mango]

future button clicks on the same boss + same difficulty get a diff piece of gear from the loot table until you have them all

[digital berry]

Is this why loot has been dog this whole season in raid?

[charred mango]

it hasn't

[digital berry]

ok i guess it's obviously personal bias but i havent seen a single druid tier piece, and so many damn times we dropped 3 of the same item

[charred mango]

yeah but like

[craggy sonnet]

grrr .. blizzard doing it on purpose

[charred mango]

the tier token not being leather doesn't have anything to do with bonus rolls coming up

lol

[craggy sonnet]

but what if it has

[digital berry]

I got insider info my dad works at blizzard

[stable hawk]

how you guys sim for m+ cuz i keep getting errors

[charred mango]

st

[drifting nova]

I pray

[stable hawk]

like 1-5 mins or what

[charred mango]

plain regular st sim

[drifting nova]

when are they

[charred mango]

exactly what i'd do for raid

[stable hawk]

k

[charred mango]

idk the exact time frame but it has to do with the voidforge that opens on the next reset

[drifting nova]

only raid or

[charred mango]

and m+

[drifting nova]

who am I kidding

it's a mythic only buff

[charred mango]

raid takes more of the currency per bonus roll because the loot tables are smaller

[stable hawk]

god my sims are low

[normal pilot]

just add more targets or lower the time

[stable hawk]

well according to raidbots boomie isn't supported for dungeon cleave, and i simmed for st 3 mins

[lucid olive]

well you just said your sims are low

not whether theyre accurate or not

[stable hawk]

ya my b lol

[ember dock]

are sims working properly? raidbots is telling me to get crit/mastery gems and the eyes of the eagle ring enchants 😄

[delicate perch]

his sims probably aren't accurate before either tbh

fake big number > fake small number

[stable hawk]

ya at first i simmed st 5 mins and was like 90k but then lowered and added 3 targets vs 1 or 2

just to sim for trash more

[lucid olive]

yeah the APL was written by a mage

nobodys sims are accurate

[delicate perch]

I select my gear from vibes

It’s never wrong

[drifting nova]

r u sure bout that

[dull dust]

https://tenor.com/view/stares-in-wtf-wtf-wtf-meme-wtf-gif-fox-news-gif-7522361706442941443

im a holy pally now ty

[obsidian jetty]

I've made a few for bosses. I'm not on egg guy but that's just a 5m/1m patch fight

[fiery veldt]

is there a reason we dont use starfall does its damage 100% faster? or is that just bad in higher keys

[dull dust]

ur penis falls off when ur dots do

hope that helps

[craggy sonnet]

probably fine to use in lower keys

but having to re-dot = bad

meteor storm (100% faster starfall) does only marginally increase dmg on its own unless mobs do be dying soon