balance

[lofty depot]

But making rash decisions and assertions instead of simming is fun I suppose

[late coral]

I'm gonna sim it

Trinket seems astro broken in m+

[lofty depot]

Idk if u know what astro broken means

What's the over/under u think that's the wrong trinket

[late coral]

trinkets actually sims higher

[nimble tangle]

trinkets always better

[exotic perch]

well do that sim again and max out the pants and trinket if you didnt

[nimble tangle]

especailly feather is so ass

[late coral]

i did

[lofty depot]

Has shitty trinkets gonna sim better

Wcyd

[exotic perch]

well if you want long term pants, but trinkets good now

just cry for the next good raid trinkets from raid

[whole hornet]

i mean he said he doesn't want to raid lol

or some such

[lofty depot]

Gonna have to raid for vaelgors but sure

[whole hornet]

his chances of seeing pants again probably higher than seeing that trinket if he neglects to

[exotic perch]

all the good balance trinkets are from raid

[late coral]

Yeah, but let's say i don't want to raid more than i have to

i know i need to keep farming vaelgor tho

[whole hornet]

then take the pants and eat shit for until you can buy the trinkets with the new dinar system

💀

i think this decision is not nearly as hard as you're making it out to be

[lofty depot]

Is fine buddy, mental illness is cureable

[nimble tangle]

its okay 12.0.5 is April 21st

so you can roll coins from then on

[royal zenith]

feather is not ass on AC

EC *

[whole hornet]

it's competing with vaelgor's

[late coral]

Feather sims higher for me

[lofty depot]

On use trinkets are bad the worse u are at playing

Mmmhm mmhm

Just like damage proc trinkets are better, the worse u are

[royal zenith]

infinite wisdom

orange name btw

[lofty depot]

Mmhm mnhm

[royal zenith]

:)

[exotic perch]

he is correct tho lol

[royal zenith]

Spy!!

wtf..

[whole hornet]

after following this conversation i will be equipping gaze + ribbon

[lofty depot]

Ribbon bad cuz u likely die alot

[royal zenith]

which ribbon

[exotic perch]

ribbon is only better on long fights tho

[lofty depot]

Or stand around cuz tank is eating his dinner

[exotic perch]

its the eye of kezan for this tier

[royal zenith]

ew

[whole hornet]

idk one of the ribbons

how many are there

[dense steeple]

bad in key

2

[royal zenith]

yes?

[whole hornet]

@late coral what did u pick bro don't leave us hanging

u should prob clear the raid first again before choosing fyi

[late coral]

Trinket fuck it, i'll get legs anyway

i did already

[whole hornet]

lets go dude

we made it

[lofty depot]

Did u do the weekly for the hero cache yet

[late coral]

yessir

[whole hornet]

uh oh

[fair pasture]

Fugg

I forgor about that

[lofty depot]

I got hero gaze from cache kek

[whole hornet]

those caches seem to be giving more trinkets/jewelry than they previously did

[lofty depot]

Just get luckier

[late coral]

Got my 21st head of the patch in cache

[whole hornet]

i got vanguard ring

[royal zenith]

I will loot gaze from the cache

[lofty depot]

Champ vaelgors last week
Hero gaze this week

[whole hornet]

not that i can equip it but it's cool ig

[royal zenith]

already manifested stare from vault..

[late coral]

Defenitly no loot bug to see here don't worrry bout it

[fair pasture]

Arctic I'm doing heroic crown this weekend and I'm copying ur talents from ur March 26th kill and I had a question related to this but I forgot

[whole hornet]

yeah tell that to the 3 bracers i had in vault this week

[lofty depot]

Mmhm mmhm

One sec

[fair pasture]

It seemed like the more logical one to copy as longer kill time and closer to my ilvl

[whole hornet]

you wouldn't just play the regular ass talents?

[late coral]

Last week i had two weapons and shitty mythic boots

[fair pasture]

I don't know I'm in a weird liminal space of changing my talents all the time and I don't even know what normal is anymore

[late coral]

Crafted alnara week one

[lofty depot]

Surely AC good

[royal zenith]

AK

[late coral]

First cache and i was contemplating taking sockets

[royal zenith]

Meteorites

[lofty depot]

Meteorites isn't talented silly

But should be

That talent goated

[royal zenith]

Im just saying random bs anyway

for fun..

[lofty depot]

As per usual

[late coral]

Dunno about raid, but same in m+, changing talents every dj

Idk

[lofty depot]

I honestly think sunseeker is shit

[royal zenith]

I do think it's pretty useless for mythic btw

[whole hornet]

only p3 matters anyway just shitpost for the other two phases

[fair pasture]

I'm offloading my thinking to arctic now my life has drastically improved

[whole hornet]

at least in my experience

[royal zenith]

cause you will only get rid of shields after you kill an add

not before

[lofty depot]

Oh I drop foe

Based

Hmmm

[fair pasture]

I guess the more deeper question is due to variance in ilvl and fight times I never know what's the most reliable talents to copy from wclogs

So I figured if I stole urs I could at least bring it up

[royal zenith]

well it's best to start understanding why each talent works I guess

but that's a lot of researching ye

[fair pasture]

Yeah, thats an ongoing process

[whole hornet]

sounds like ur overthinking it

[fair pasture]

Overthinking is fun

[lofty depot]

See.... All those talents are so close

I generally pick talents based on what I'm spamming

[whole hornet]

idk i just brain off stargaze on the football field in the pickup truck

🌠

[lofty depot]

Meteorites if I'm spamming starfall, goldrinn surge

[whole hornet]

payphone gaming

[fair pasture]

I dunno what that means but I like it

[whole hornet]

it's the vibe

[late coral]

in m+ when you pick talents off the leaderboards it feels more like a QOL difference than real damage difference

[fair pasture]

Yeah M+ I'm less worried about

[royal zenith]

that's a lot of our talents

[whole hornet]

i just pick what sounds cool in the moment

[royal zenith]

probably better off copying a build and focus on always casting

[craggy sonnet]

why did you pick only 9 talents in tier3

silly

[fair pasture]

Just play EC and spam starfall ajajaja

[late coral]

Starfall buff is feeling good

[fair pasture]

I mostly just wanna hit treaNts and convoke but most people seem to not be doing that and prefer incarn and foe

[royal zenith]

I don't notice it all

[whole hornet]

starfall buff allowed me to play worse but still do the same dam

w

[charred mango]

yummy treats

[whole hornet]

you should be the convoke player

you'd have so much aura

[lofty depot]

Idk was playing funny ahit

Is heroic week 2 no tier

[fair pasture]

U had tier

[fair pasture]

Noted

Convoke casts many payphone and basketball spells depending on what truck form you're in

[lofty depot]

Or maybe just go it

[craggy sonnet]

dont link silly talents then

[lofty depot]

She said she was gonna copy my talents

And I said oo AC

Can u keep up dork

[fair pasture]

[lofty depot]

Kids trying to ego me

I'll fuck his dad

[craggy sonnet]

can you give good advice?

[fair pasture]

A super cool move to be sure

Dad-fucking that is

I think that usually parses pretty high this tier

[lofty depot]

Yea clanker wouldn't know

[late coral]

You guys have a dad ? Damn

[lofty depot]

Little rat fuck

[fair pasture]

Not for like 20 years no

[craggy sonnet]

arctic sucht dich

[fair pasture]

In raid tho anyway, being EC is cool in m+, unless my aura would be even huger then I'll have to think about it

[vital hound]

cool?

EC is one button rotation

(i exclusively play EC in keys)

[fair pasture]

Yeah I like casting sky laser spell

[vital hound]

https://tenor.com/bVnW1.gif

[fair pasture]

It me

[royal zenith]

EC is for losers..

[drifting nova]

you lost to ec didnt you

only cool thing about tree fuckery

is convoke

[royal zenith]

okay

[lofty depot]

EC st build plays convoke silly

[royal zenith]

this is ban-worthy

can we get kekkers out of here mods?

[drifting nova]

shouldve said that before I had to play kotg wtf

still dont know how to do dam

but

[fiery veldt]

somehow still feel mediocre on aoe as a boomy

[dense steeple]

thats our niche

as long as youre doing at least 100k youre doing fine

overall

[drifting nova]

st is better than aoe

[dense steeple]

at least 100k overall

[drifting nova]

its doomsday

[fiery veldt]

like ill be thinking im doing good then i get beat on aoe by an enhance

wtfudge

how they bursting 800k on aoe lol

[drifting nova]

because tickle dot damage is incredibly slow

and so last decade

[dull dust]

I tried the build i posted in keys

ngl not having kindling in keys made me wanna kermit

[drifting nova]

that the starfall debuff?

[dull dust]

the dot extendo

[earnest sage]

hey guys, whats the 2nd best craft after weapon craft?

[analog moat]

To the sims!

[halcyon plaza]

yo ppl, what innervate addon are you using? nothing working rn for me

[lofty depot]

im not

[halcyon plaza]

idk im tired of people calling it out in raid or forgetting it

[dense steeple]

make a macro to innervate your focus, focus them before the pull

[lofty depot]

ask them when they want it before

and tr it

[dull dust]

do the macro that let's u auto change it

[dense steeple]

my problem is know who is talking in disc acause new guild

rip me

[halcyon plaza]

ye same lol

[dense steeple]

im sending innervate when its called, whos to know if its the right guy

[dull dust]

tell them give u a nsrt reminder or its gonzo

[halcyon plaza]

ye ig so

[neat horizon]

check heal meters, ask top healer "when you want innervate", they say "during succ of chimeras" or whatever.
/cast [@healers_name] Innervate

then its a button, fk the rest the healers they shouldve healed more 😎

[dull dust]

problem being top healing doesnt mean most mana used

[livid jay]

time for some pad

[vital hound]

2t starfall baby

[livid jay]

20 target shrooms

[dense steeple]

we have all night tonight on dragons

think we kill?

[arctic ruin]

Ec or kotg for the padding? I wanna troll my guild run

[livid jay]

can be hard

[livid jay]

keeper

[dull dust]

i stole a idea from preists for one to update their name with a button instead if u want it

[lofty depot]

so that went well

[livid jay]

xD

stfu

[dull dust]

19m mana

holy

[lofty depot]

these people are problematic

i hate locks so much

actual rat padders

[livid jay]

ye

[dull dust]

yeah only you can pad

[livid jay]

ill catch him when i live

[lofty depot]

2t starfall is ethical

what u mean

[dull dust]

mhmm

[lofty depot]

IN NO WORLD

IS 137 SEED CASTS ETHICAL

[dull dust]

hes crankin

bro wtf does aff even do now

without rapture

[lofty depot]

PRESS SEED

[dull dust]

even in st?

thats a lot of friggin casts

[lofty depot]

why is mahrankaka pressing incarn at 12 seconds

he said he was gonna pad

[dull dust]

smh

[lofty depot]

didnt press trinket

[surreal sorrel]

Oof

[livid jay]

ggg

[lofty depot]

wait

why he responding

[livid jay]

unbound it

from amcro

[lofty depot]

what the helly

[drifting nova]

only 1 padder per raid, didnt you read the rules?

[lofty depot]

BLUD IS AFK

LIVE ON STREAM

the fuck is this nazi germany

[surreal sorrel]

Hahahaha

[surreal sorrel]

Ey dont be so rude 🙁

[dull dust]

report stream fashism

unlucky

[lofty depot]

to the nazis or to mahranaka?

[surreal sorrel]

Germany

[lofty depot]

well its a different germany

[surreal sorrel]

If i look to afd % then it could be nazi again. Time to switch country

[royal zenith]

wild

[livid jay]

otherwise i get 3 bots offering art for stream per stream

[surreal sorrel]

No trinket use is a sin yes

[lofty depot]

its kinda weird timing where he using

cuz he sends on pull

[dull dust]

im gunna follow and then ask this

[surreal sorrel]

I got grieved by no breath dispel on dragons... 1k dps behind garyeet

[royal zenith]

okay bro...

[surreal sorrel]

[lofty depot]

u wrath on 2

[livid jay]

gonna try garryyeeet timings now

[surreal sorrel]

What the fuck is this??

[livid jay]

was eating

[royal zenith]

those are mahranaka's nameplates

[surreal sorrel]

Holy

[lofty depot]

[royal zenith]

hey at least you get to kill some voidorbs

[lofty depot]

mmhm mmmh

[royal zenith]

in our group they just dissapear

poof

[dense steeple]

how hard

[lofty depot]

wait i just noticed

holy fuck

[teal sphinx]

We were progging it last night, it aint hard at all

We were doing it with @cursive mirage tanking too

[dense steeple]

thats why im asking cause i have less than 20 pulls anbd have seen 30%

[dull dust]

i gotta wait 10mins to talk shit

[cursive mirage]

Brb kms

[dull dust]

thats messsed up

[royal zenith]

literally nobody is touching your adds

another reason why these logs are criiiiinge

[surreal sorrel]

first adds

incarn was so wasted

first gloom soak too

[royal zenith]

just delete voidorbs man

[teal sphinx]

Ong if we had our real tank and got through the other bosses cleaner (not foltys fault actually) then we could have had insane prog.

[lofty depot]

@livid jay only use 2 mushrooms on first set and 2 on second set.... i sit on star until 2nd breathe goes out

[dense steeple]

yeah we dont have our main tank progging with us rn either

[lofty depot]

also dont use that 2nd eclipse after that 2nd set of orbs

sit on it til add comes out in intermission

[dense steeple]

hes gonna be out next week startign tonight or something so isntead of having him come in to prog it last night just to leave for a week we had someone else tank

[teal sphinx]

Yea, folty just filled in tank was sick. And he didnt even have CDM showing half the stuff. It was a rough one for him

But we prog killed saladbar, recleared chim and spent 30ish minutes on dragons.

Next week we will probably kill dragons

[lofty depot]

also that trees i sent at 4m is giga wrong dont do that

[dull dust]

currently trying to get dragons removed from allstars or adds removed

doing gods work

[lofty depot]

fuck off

[light gull]

Heyoo, I been just using crit strike flask, should I be crit for raid and mastery for m+? or smt 😮

[royal zenith]

[lofty depot]

mage rat

[dull dust]

[royal zenith]

I will help you

do I need to contact vel?

[lofty depot]

where does it say to use crit flask

[royal zenith]

I have contacts..

[light gull]

wowhead lol

[carmine vigil]

good morning my boomkings and boomqueens

[light gull]

just should use mastery always?

[livid jay]

sure

[lofty depot]

hello hwilkz

[livid jay]

was sending one on pull for memes

[lofty depot]

its not meme

is good

[dull dust]

i dont understand any of that musics words

but it goes hard

[lofty depot]

where

where

[light gull]

o sry icyveins

[lofty depot]

me when i lie

[fossil hemlock]

Tbf I need more crit so crit flask sims a bit higher than mastery

[copper gate]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/453328504134565888/1490846803707564043/firefox_axPKt79nkY.gif

[lofty depot]

it says or.... smh

use mastery

[whole hornet]

just simulate it

if you aren't sure

[dull dust]

[light gull]

okay, ty

[sudden flame]

just stimulate it

[fossil hemlock]

Brain off is mastery, sim for actual answer

[lofty depot]

i read that like that aswell

lol

[lucid olive]

show boss dam

[whole hornet]

mastery stimulation

[surreal sorrel]

talking about pad not boss dam

👀

[whole hornet]

orbslayer

very potent

[surreal sorrel]

and actually our wl said he's gonna play demo and will delete all voidorbs

so i played meteor storms

[lofty depot]

ur counter part is half ur orb damage lol

[dull dust]

remove the adds

[lofty depot]

paid actor

[dull dust]

[lofty depot]

fucking mages ruin everything

[lucid olive]

i played meteor storm for 1 pull

felt sick having to reapply dots

[lofty depot]

grow up

[dull dust]

if u dont play convoke ur a padder

[lucid olive]

need to pad like a pig to parse on boss

[dull dust]

[lucid olive]

this tier is like undermine

[lofty depot]

i did 99 boss dama

so idk what u mena

[lucid olive]

boss dmg only relevant metric

[dull dust]

wouldve done 100

[lofty depot]

?

why not both?

[dull dust]

[lucid olive]

pig padder

[lofty depot]

as deux says

i pick one fight

[dull dust]

hes getting funnel dam

[lofty depot]

and run the streets

[dull dust]

[lofty depot]

then again i had 3 last tier

😛

vorasius kinda like that

[royal zenith]

you've been yapping non stop

about dragons

for 2 days

[lofty depot]

love that fight

good fight

[dull dust]

raid leaders disapointed

dads upset

[delicate perch]

plays in rat guild and gets to rat pad

gg

[lofty depot]

??

[royal zenith]

shouldn't you like focus on

getting paladins

[lofty depot]

I HAVE 3 DEVDHS

[royal zenith]

or alleria down

[delicate perch]

yea no u dont

[royal zenith]

who even cares about dragons

[delicate perch]

you have 3 people trying to play them

[royal zenith]

[lofty depot]

OK

[royal zenith]

4th boss in the raid

[lofty depot]

i mean sure

[delicate perch]

[lofty depot]

but like 70% of guilds havent killed it

[royal zenith]

Like dont get me wrong, my logs are shit on that boss

[lofty depot]

so i help the less fortunate

[delicate perch]

more than 70% of guilds suck so

[royal zenith]

but if I do a 230k openers I'm still bottom

[delicate perch]

whats ur point

[royal zenith]

if the rest of your group doesnt do any damage, you can pad away

[dull dust]

arctic flexing on me

[royal zenith]

it's just how it works

[lofty depot]

ur a bottom regardless

mmhm mmhm

[dull dust]

help me bro

[lofty depot]

stop removing my parses

mmhm mmmh

what u need help with?

[dull dust]

wym u have boss dam parse

on jah

[lofty depot]

my cosmos parse gonna go hard

[dull dust]

hahaha

[meager storm]

they gotta lock in then check this opener

[lofty depot]

did u get 2 cs on adds or

[meager storm]

1

[delicate perch]

I just looked

those are not humans

[lofty depot]

did u get 2 eraticates?

[delicate perch]

sorry

[meager storm]

1

[lofty depot]

wtf is that damage man

u get 1 of each and just slam

stupid ass class

[meager storm]

W

[lofty depot]

gets 1cs 1vr 1er and just does millions

[royal zenith]

your partner vdh is not dropping his genki dama in voidorbs?

[lofty depot]

fuck that spec man

[royal zenith]

he needs to step it up bro

[lofty depot]

atleast u get to play another fun class this tier

[royal zenith]

devourer is actually just

so much better

it's crazy

[lofty depot]

yea

its cuz ur fighting ur class essentially

like ur playing a completely different game

[royal zenith]

dak also has demo warlocks

[lofty depot]

i did this week and last week i think

on first kill they were playing aff

[ionic surge]

@dense steeple

[royal zenith]

nobody is touching the orbs except for the fury warrior maybe

recruitie having valiant tries

[obtuse robin]

why's m+ ec build plays rattle and not starweaver for 4p? is it just worse?

[royal zenith]

next week his turn?

[delicate perch]

fun thing about wow is you can play w/e you want

[royal zenith]

you won't notice the difference between those 2 talents

except that starweaver has procs

[delicate perch]

weaver makes m+ more enjoyable

fun gamba

[royal zenith]

starweaver do be more chill with heavy movement

[obtuse robin]

ikik, im legit just wondering why archon recommends rattle

[delicate perch]

archon stinky

[royal zenith]

archon doesn't recommend anything

[obtuse robin]

fair

[lofty depot]

archon is sthinky

[royal zenith]

it collects all the data

[lofty depot]

it has data

of randoms

[fiery veldt]

did anything change for m+ spec after buffs? or still the same on the compendium

[lofty depot]

keys too easy

[normal pilot]

does archon not make stuff up anymore?

[lofty depot]

not really

[delicate perch]

it probs does

[royal zenith]

just wcl @ gas

[normal pilot]

didn't it make recommendations

[royal zenith]

wrapped in a fancy ui

[normal pilot]

i guess they stopped doing that?

[dull dust]

why is twitch so shit goes blackscreen when i tab out

[normal pilot]

i know it wasn't data driven at the start

[drifting nova]

wheres the pad

losing to a hunter wtf

[royal zenith]

well they still use the wording

[drifting nova]

active shrooms looks cool

shame its booty

[meager storm]

dunno prob targeted the same mob as me but i got off the casts first so it died

[royal zenith]

but also like mentioning it's based on popularity so yeah

[normal pilot]

well ya but they mentionted that at the start

[delicate perch]

you can NOT do any more dps than this

[royal zenith]

[normal pilot]

but it turned out what they showed wasn't pruely based on logs

idk if they still do that or now they actually look at the logs

[royal zenith]

it does link to a top log

that has dwilkz in it

so it has to be fake

he's a hunter..

[normal pilot]

who has the emberwing feather trinket

[dull dust]

i do

[normal pilot]

when you get the random penalty, and it's the vers/mas version, try to right click cancel it off

or i guess you can macro /cancelaura emberwing burn

[glacial steeple]

It's an aura and not a debuff?

[normal pilot]

only the crit penalty is a debuff

[glacial steeple]

spaghetti code smh

[normal pilot]

i mean let's be fair

this isn't spagehtti code this is bad developer

[dull dust]

this shit doesnt proc

[normal pilot]

maybe you're just too lucky

[pallid bay]

dosnt it stink anyway

its just 10% in simc right

[normal pilot]

ya random ass guess

[pallid bay]

[normal pilot]

i guess it's ok for m+ trinket? don't all the m+ trinkets mostly suck or something

[pallid bay]

they do indeed

[royal zenith]

yeah its pretty alright for ec

[pallid bay]

unlucky threesune dosnt have garrison

[dull dust]

8mins no downside

xd

mabey its bugged

the burn proced 1 time in 2 full keys i did last night

[celest narwhal]

is there a way to import someones cooldown manager

with an addon

[dull dust]

ngl i just hit the dummy for 20mins

im gunna pretend the downside just is a tooltip error

[normal pilot]

were you looking at the debuff bar or the buff bar

[dull dust]

both

[normal pilot]

just too lucky

[vital hound]

delete this before john blizzard sees it thanks

[dull dust]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/tR3nJjNzd7vawQPW?fight=3&type=auras&source=2&spells=debuffs&ability=1255853

lol

[normal pilot]

hm you used it 30 times, 3 penalties

10% confirmed

[dull dust]

lol

wait where do u see the penalties

i only see the one

[glacial steeple]

Too late they're my uncle

[dull dust]

oh i see

its at the bottom of the buffs for some reason

[normal pilot]

the mas/ver penalties are buffs

[dull dust]

ye

[normal pilot]

so you can cancelaurathem

[dull dust]

i like that 2 of them were from the bear key

bear getting debuffed more often goes hard

mabey its from taking damage

i got it to proc

nice

i can cancelaura the buff

[normal pilot]

sekret tek

[dull dust]

time to just bind cancelaura burn into all my spells

[void jacinth]

secret tek < secret ket

[normal pilot]

isn't it on-use you prolly just need to add cancel to the tirnket macro

[glacial steeple]

The heart from Windrunners is a proc

[lucid olive]

theyre not talking about the heart

[glacial steeple]

Crack is wack, my apologies

[dull dust]

its from the use yea

0.001 ms diff tho!

[normal pilot]

hm annoying

[untold ice]

hi yall, im wondering if there's any way to kill nullaeus right now as a balance? the interrupt is always happening before the cooldown ends

[lofty depot]

no

[exotic perch]

just play resto

its super super easy

[fair pasture]

When I tried it on resto last it seemed like the pull on the gravity orbs got insane and it killed me

But someone else had a 14 minute kill and they lived so idk

[glacial linden]

Is it realistic to maintain stellar Amp on both dragons? Or should I just go full on starfall?

[lofty depot]

u starfall at 2t

its likely an increase to use tab target surge different targets for amp

[vital hound]

just cancelaura wrath?

[night oriole]

if im reading log right my rdruid kill was after 14:52, i did zero damage myself except what happened by accident from 1 convoke trying to heal in the end

[dull dust]

prob starsurge would be better

or fall

cuz ur gunna use trinket when u have ap

[vital hound]

[civic junco]

Am I crazy to play Push-Button-Mushroom over Passive-Mushroom for Salhadaar? I have bursty giga padders and I feel like im losing value with passive mushroom

[quaint wasp]

you arent

[civic junco]

Ok I will be brave and send it

[quaint wasp]

oh i mean, you are not losing value with passive mushroom I am sorry.

i mean if your group is truly have that much issue kiling orbs, thats something else that shoudlnt be solved by you speccing into WM

[upper anvil]

Did you set the lady as dps or tank and just healed her for those 15 mins?

[digital berry]

active mushrooms on salhadar seems a bit unnecessary

[night oriole]

as dps, yeah, I think she needs to be dps to do the interrupts

[lofty depot]

what fight

[quaint wasp]

wow

[civic junco]

No, you misundesrtand me. The fuckers are taking my pad. And I'm sick of sacrificing my parse so they can gloat. It is my pad now.

[quaint wasp]

ah well then, asser your dominance king

[civic junco]

Salhadaar

[lofty depot]

dont play that

[civic junco]

Im being brave Arctic! BRAVE!

[lofty depot]

go be brave in the rogue discord

[civic junco]

ooof

not that brave

[lofty depot]

i took off mushroom on my kill and did meteorites 😛

[quaint wasp]

^^

[civic junco]

I also specced meteorites

[quaint wasp]

meteor just does more with less globals imo

[civic junco]

I was just looking at logs. Goldrins is under performing meteorites in most kills. Goldrins is higher value damage though

[lofty depot]

think u prob drop goldrinn

ye

well if ur pressing starfall or surge

the only difference here is w.e. amount of asp that is

280

[civic junco]

I'm also going to try Meteor Storm over Aetherial Kindling. And I've looked into it enough to know that THAT choice is bat shit insane. But I've been enraged. An owlkin frenzy, if you will.

[lofty depot]

meteor storm good

[vital hound]

storm v good

mushroom good for dragons

[glacial steeple]

Does Hail of stars also trigger off starweaver?

[lucid olive]

yes

Hail of Stars gives 3 seconds of Solstice from Starweaver and Cosmos procs, and 1 second from Convoke and Star Cascade procs

its weird the dryad cast starsurges that dont count to anything though

[normal pilot]

you should've told the dryad to talent hail of stars

[lucid olive]

its casting it for 2 seconds

basically a resto druid

starsurge should lowkey have a cast time and starweaver makes it instant

allows to buff the dmg making it a cast time too

then turn convoke into like a 12 second cooldown thats just a 2s channel with a flurry of starsurges

[obsidian jetty]

psure it was like this in wod, with dot crits giving insta cast or something like that

I remember gettin lucky and spam insta casting surges on the treadmill bomb boss and going crazy

[meager storm]

[wind ledge]

would anyone be able to look at a log of mine and help me out?

[lucid olive]

yes, @lofty depot can (and thats his name, not an instruction)

[analog moat]

lol

[wind ledge]

thanks appreciate it

[lucid olive]

if you just link your log here then someone will almost always check it out

might have to ask more than once depending on the time of day

[lofty depot]

im raiding

[wind ledge]

thanks, im sure anyone can help me out. i just switched over to boomkin and did my first few bosses. i made plenty of mistakes lol

[cedar bay]

why most people play the crit mastery waist and not go for haste mastery? i thought haste mastery are the best stats?

[unreal bridge]

any pro parser here?
i have this issues on single target , i can theorize why i have this small things but my 2 questions are
"are we not suppose to starfire on single when we get the free cast going into eclipse?"
"we dotn mind about dots anymore? or we just let treants do moonfire?"

[calm bough]

hey is there a huge difference for starweaver vs rattle the stars

in m+

[lucid olive]

did you spreadsheet out your logs compared to top logs

or what is that

[lucid olive]

you only spend the instant starfire from entering CA/Incarn

and you reapply moonfire when its in pandemic and you have to move

[unreal bridge]

not on eclipse?

[lucid olive]

for keeper you generally let the trees handle it too

not if its solar eclipse no

[unreal bridge]

oooh i see thanks, and yes, this is a diference from logs. i noticed people are wrathing on solar and i wanted to ask

is not worth the extra 2 AP

[lucid olive]

no starfire does piss dmg in solar

[unreal bridge]

oooooooooooooooooh

[lofty depot]

casts can mean ur pressing moonfire and refreshing it incorrectly

not that theyre not refreshing

[unreal bridge]

this overview is me casting to many moonfire on ads cause people on right side are lacking dps on ads (VORASIUS MYTHIC)

so yeah, i only do pandemic on moonfire

[lofty depot]

uhhh

ill sy that if ur dotting them early enough its fine

cuz theyre living long time to get to the wall

[fiery veldt]

kinda sad my stats are for ec rn i have 0 crit for tree people

[magic shadow]

Do we starfall as prio spender on ezzorak and vaelgor or still surge?

[lucid olive]

starfall

[unreal bridge]

i feel like 2 target should be surge but it i have been playing the aetherial kindling for dots, it feels great on that fight

if you are a complete parser you play meteorites i think <-<

[carmine vigil]

if u were to play moonkin on beloren theoretically what talents would u play

@lucid olive @pallid bay

[lucid olive]

maybe keeper convoke, either 1m or 2m depending on the timer

EC astral insight 5 sec convoke also not that bad

but with EC i think youre piss useless in the p1s

[copper gate]

In p1 Alleria is Starfall only ever pressed when there’s a free proc

[lucid olive]

vibe it out

[vital hound]

cook

double boomkin

one ec one kotg

[magic shadow]

So we drop Goldrinn since it’s underperforming compared to meteorites yes? What other talent are you swapping for kindling?

[lucid olive]

Just go top logs and rip talents from there

then starfall on 2

[magic shadow]

Ahh true lol

[unreal bridge]

yeah i do the same, you can choose small tweaks from those Logs taletns

[magic shadow]

Appreciate yall ty

[unreal bridge]

remember to get meteorites if your team sucks at ads

[magic shadow]

Indeed one of the reasons why I was looking into spread cleave

[unreal bridge]

still, they are so squishy, i dont know on mythic yet but on heroic yuo can just let them free cast, unless every ad hits one player, they just tickle

[lucid olive]

meteorites is a single target talent

doesnt do shit on aoe

[unreal bridge]

mostly paladins and DHs should kill them instantly

[lucid olive]

unless you mean meteor storm

[unreal bridge]

i mean meteorites, but it really does no damage? it says every time it deals damage it shoots a meteorite for extra dmg
is it wrong? in my mind more ads is more ticks and more meteorites

[spice roost]

me when i make up shit

[normal pilot]

tooltip lies. it's 1 meteorite every second

[lucid olive]

on a random target

i think they shouldve made it an extra tick on your current target instead of the 2 target change thats on ptr

[glacial steeple]

I think my guilt’s gonna make me swap to Resto 🙁

[normal pilot]

just repress it

[covert coyote]

even w/ the buff starfall feels like its not doing enough dmg

[vital hound]

@lucid olive is anyone chicken pulling bird yet

[unreal bridge]

sorry i couldnt forsee that the simple tooltip was a lie and i had to use external info form the game

[maiden pasture]

theres a pub log as moonkin rn

[vital hound]

yea im hoping to find an ec player

[maiden pasture]

aint nobody playing that beans

[vital hound]

its op

for egg

[lucid olive]

maybe its dogshit and sims lie

[maiden pasture]

never trust big sim

[lucid olive]

can probably sim how long egg is and see

[maiden pasture]

egg is 30s

[lucid olive]

idk if ec is just simming better cause regular sims are 5 min

[wheat rivet]

hey yall

im doing H crown of the cosmos(aleria) prog with the guild

should i stay ST?

or go aoe and spam starfall?

still just figuring out first phase

[covert coyote]

full ST, phase 1 doesn't matter its padder heaven

also the big guys take like 1000% increase dmg with enough stacks

[winged vale]

Hi everyone, i'm gearing my balance from long time and i wonder, do we still need to cancel starlord with a cancelaura macro ? My actual macro dont work, if u got a working macro i thank u haha

[covert coyote]

try cancelling it and see what happens

[lucid olive]

its no longer cancellable

it cancels and restarts whenever you enter eclipse

[winged vale]

Ooh i see

[lucid olive]

its basically just "spend your 3 empowered apex spenders and then stack starlord at the same time"

means you also only need to track one

[winged vale]

Okay, thank u !

[wheat rivet]

@covert coyote ty ty

[delicate perch]

Luckily you don’t move much during egg

[vital hound]

[delicate perch]

30s egg

1 completed cast

O P

[vital hound]

ec starweaver w/ pi

[delicate perch]

2 completed casts

(You get hit on the 2nd)

[analog moat]

There any noticable diff between sundered firm and orbit breaker? Seen someone running 16/17s running orbit breaker.

[delicate perch]

One make big beam other make big moon

[analog moat]

lol

[lofty escarp]

sundered firm lost value now that you dont get as many eclipses

orbit breaker interacts with your procs which make it good

[idle dagger]

Do macros for Celestial + Pots + Trinket still work?

[lucid olive]

yes

[ebon parcel]

how much damage (dps) am i losing by playing rattle of stars instead of starweaver for some bosses that starweaver is recommended?
i feel i often delay the use procs possibly losing chance to get more procs

[pseudo merlin]

@royal zenith everything destiny ever made for 27 bucks sale

lock in

[hollow mist]

[pseudo merlin]

LOCK IN LAKEZ

[fickle pier]

just go to cooldown manager and set an audio que for the proc and just press it

[ebon parcel]

cdm has an audo que? omg

[mental coral]

What is the best way to fight Cosmos? Straight up focusing Starsurges on the 3 major adds and popping the starfall procs only?

[digital berry]

You can check the logs of others in warcraftlogs and see what they did

[dense steeple]

[pseudo merlin]

you only just killed it?

boomer

I'm not surprised, you lost vs 5 corndogs...

[dense steeple]

i lost??

brother i ate all 5

[pseudo merlin]

yeah buddy

those sticks looked mighty meaty

lost

[dense steeple]

it was fuckin breading on the end

im not eating that deadass bread

[pseudo merlin]

[lucid olive]

yeah best hidden setting

its also dogshit audio quality

[fickle pier]

ye just set one up for the two starweaver procs, and for the free spender on a filler proc

gg

[lucid olive]

then you add in all the bosses shouting at you and maybe some music playing during the boss

overstimulated af

[delicate perch]

Just don’t be overstimulated?

[fickle pier]

https://tenor.com/view/smiling-friends-pim-pim-pimling-gatov-i-am-stimming-so-much-gif-18336053746297000740

ye alternatively munch procs, or stare at the spot on your screen they appear for the entire time you play

both of which are bad in my experience

[delicate perch]

What else are you looking at

Bosses have like half a mechanic each

[fickle pier]

second monitor?

[delicate perch]

Okay fair

[fickle pier]

[pseudo merlin]

overstimulated from pressing wrath and starsurge

[lucid olive]

starweaver makes a sound when it procs

[pseudo merlin]

green name btw

[lucid olive]

it baseline makes like a little thud or something

[fickle pier]

ye i like the clear little dings though

got windchimes in my ears

[lucid olive]

i remember playing with fury warrior execute weakaura

that did KACHING every like 5 seconds

drove me crazy

they put me in a rubber room

[wicked shuttle]

yep

every proc i get

swords clanging

gg

[lucid olive]

if i could audio cue with a slot machine jackpot sound when i proc total eclipse that might actually bring the value of the talent up

[vital hound]

the best was the

"thanks for the reset dickhead"

grieftorch weakura

[ebon parcel]

for kotg build, do i have to use FOE on cd or delay it to cast with FON ?

dsesyncing the FOE is confusing

[modest wagon]

Vibes, Astral Power, Cooldown dependent

I'm not a green name or anything tho

No way you're gonna be able to line them up constantly tho and not lose dps

[dense steeple]

thats what gamz would say too dont worry

[dense steeple]

the only real requirement is that you never send it without at least an eclipse

dont cap asp, vibe out where its good, make sure you pair it with either eclipse or incarn

[mental coral]

I don't know how to make it paint the picture of what I'm asking for. Unless this was a troll response

[modest wagon]

try Lorrgs

I just full send starfall padded on H cosmos P1 and parsed pretty well

[mental coral]

Tried that, was 9th in DPS..

[modest wagon]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/8dKzQY4v1h6WZBVM?fight=29&type=damage-done

[dense steeple]

9th in dps while statistally 17th in dps is not bad

[modest wagon]

start pull with 3 wrath, dot all 3, stand in the center, Incarn with starfall focus, starsurge procs on add with most debuffs

[ebon parcel]

example of a good vibe?
any add phase?

[dense steeple]

dont compare yourself to the other classes in your raid

[dense steeple]

yes add phases

[ebon parcel]

ok ty

[spice roost]

boomie is only good when it pads

if thats even good

[modest wagon]

I prob would've purple or oranged on my Mythic Vorasius today but forgot to flask and rune

Starfall pad is op

No trinkets tho so prob can't orange parse actually.

[dense steeple]

i sat vorasius this week

felt really bad cause i got gaze in vault

[dense steeple]

||its not||

[spice roost]

few more weeks and every fight will probably not count alot of adds in raid im betting on logs

[modest wagon]

idk the fights so far it's not completely troll to pad

was actually mandatory in my vorasius

[dense steeple]

thats why it needs to be removed tbh

[spice roost]

but like corwn for example

[mental coral]

OK, I stood a little bit closer to the center and did a little bit better

Before, I was standing on the edge to drop off the pools

[modest wagon]

keep starfall circle on all 3 as long as you can

[dense steeple]

its mandatory to pad because every add on every fight is a priority target

[modest wagon]

if your RL yells at you for dropping puddle in the middle gquit

cuz he's wrong

[spice roost]

lol

[mental coral]

I am the GM, so that would be awkward

[dense steeple]

officer corruption

[mental coral]

lol

[spice roost]

who tf makes a boomie a gm omg

definately corruption

[mental coral]

Totally, you got me

[modest wagon]

To parse even harder make sure you get starsurges in on the adds when their add stacks are the highest

like 300-400k starsurges iirc

[mental coral]

ok, that's a bit better, 100% dead center but then I was the first to die

[spice roost]

lolol

[grim crater]

I got a question regarding eclipse, whether in raid or m+ does eclipse need to be as active as possible? Or are there periods in gameplay where pressing eclipse isn't necessary until you got certain builders for example wating for FoE or FoN etc. Cause what i do right now let it be any instance is literally as my eclipse ends i just cast another or incarn.

[spice roost]

just dont outrange healer

[grim crater]

And idk if im wasting potential dps and burning through cds unnecessarily

[modest wagon]

definitely use them at smart times when you'll get the full duration out of them, without letting them sit at full charges for too long

and try to have AP to pop 3 spenders as the first 3 gcds

[dense steeple]

it truly is just vibes man

dont cast it when you have no asp, dont cast it when your pack has 5% hp type shi

[modest wagon]

in M+ and long enough fights ur definitely gonna have 10-20 second windows of no eclipse available

[grim crater]

Like for example if I dont have any builders and burnt through my asp then I would build asp and start burning surges/falls with eclipse

Cause fk me in m+ i was struggling a bit but was gettingt the hang of it. But in heroic raids i am getting very outdps'd

And im pretty sure its my rotation and management

[ebon parcel]

before eclipse do i have to make sure sunfire is at least left wiuth 15 sec if not cast it before pressing eclipse ?
or i can still cast sunfire inside eclipse?

[spice roost]

dm @lofty depot to look at your logs he loves that

xd

[lofty depot]

love that

[lucid olive]

Depends on the situation really

I usually refresh maybe at like 7 or 8 seconds left

And with incarn I refresh right before

Unless I'm playing Kindling then it's just pure vibes

[wise scroll]

Hi guys. If i want to change balance from feral, which weapon should i choose? Because i crafted 285 agi staff with my sparks

[delicate perch]

one with int

[jaunty blaze]

[leaden birch]

[leaden birch]

do people not run draught of reckless abandon?

how bad is the void circle

[lofty depot]

no

it got like fixed and or changed idk

[leaden birch]

Interesting

[wise scroll]

Sure but which one? Because everyone using crafted int staff :/

[delicate perch]

probably the highest ilvl one you can obtain

avoid vers but don't avoid ilvl

[gaunt ruin]

what addon do you use to check other players ilvl?

[royal zenith]

rmb -> inspect?

[jaunty blaze]

Inspect dn

Hehe gottem

[delicate perch]

they should make ilvl a private aura I don't want people having that information

[modest wagon]

I do :x
Extra int and all you gotta do is dance, no?

[round field]

that sounds horrible

[gaunt ruin]

it doesn't show overall ilvl. have to hover every item

[royal zenith]

install bettercharacterpanel

or dejacharacterstats

[gaunt ruin]

i had bettercharacterpanel but got lots of errors from bugsac

[round field]

delete bugsack

out of sight out of mind

[jaunty blaze]

Ignorance is bliss

[delicate perch]

just get both the bugs addons

literally no errors no sounds

gg

[modest wagon]

had em both, took me like two days to figure out where the random "FATALITY"s were coming from

[royal zenith]

I mean

at least look at the errors and try and fix it

that's what it's for

[delicate perch]

no thanks

[royal zenith]

pov you install an addon and it's your own homecooked ui that is causing thebugs..

unfortunate...

[sour venture]

Are we cooked? Is it time for a reroll...

[jaunty blaze]

Ok

[gentle patio]

/console scriptErrors 0

[craggy sonnet]

The real solutions right here

[pallid bay]

[muted rapids]

Hello lads, how do you guys usually sim for mm+ ? and multi in general please ?

[slender island]

see "Q: How do I sim for Mythic+?" in https://discord.com/channels/114145367322394624/1473018731687841853

[fossil hemlock]

I'm pretty sure it's illegal to actively use the resources channel

[muted rapids]

ty!

[slender island]

ez, go to https://www.dreamgrove.gg/blog/balance/compendium#faq instead and see "Q: How do I sim for Mythic+?"

[distant stream]

anybody else had problem randomly attacking mobs that arent in aggro (idk what spell)

was doing normal rotation at dungeon and all of sudden something like starsurge looking went behind me to other pack

[hardy hazel]

guys i need vault advice
i have 2 options

1. 2h haste crit weapon (corespark multitool) mythic 1/6
2. mythic 1/6 belt
   i am currently using 2h crafted weapon 285
   heroic belt

which do you guys think is better?
(my raid kills salhadar and chimaerus which drops belt very easily every week so i have high chance of getting belt from there)

[sudden flame]

chimaerus also drops a weapon

[fossil hemlock]

It does not

You're in the wrong channel

[sudden flame]

facts

[hardy hazel]

chimaerus weapon is not int

[jaunty blaze]

Cat man got the wrong door

[hardy hazel]

maybe i should pick weapon and craft wrist next week?

[jaunty blaze]

Can always take a socket too

Only thing you should do is sim the difference and decide if its worth 100 crests

[pallid bay]

lil gup turned orange

[brittle mortar]

Hey lads, I've looked over my log from my last raid. I know I need to cast more, anything else I should be doing?
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/rj4vzt8Mh3gZqym9?type=damage-done&modal=fight-selection&boss=-2&wipes=2&targetclass=Boss&start=6719149&end=15200459&source=68

[lofty depot]

Did u press eclipse and a lunar bolt go flying

[lofty depot]

Read the guide prob

Ur sending tree convoke on opener without CA

Then sitting on said charge til 30s and then sitting on 2nd til 2m

[brittle mortar]

Ahh ok. Thank you! Ill give it another read over.

[lofty depot]

Ur dumps surges prior to eclipse

[brittle mortar]

Time to hit the dummies and get a better feel for it. I appreciate it.

[simple pebble]

Just seen some player have like an icon appear when in lunar or solar eclipse, or when Owlkin frenzy procs. Is that a blizzard thing or UI? Think evokers have the same thing when living flame is instant. Just cant find it anywhere, help?

[lofty depot]

Cdm does it yes

Click the buffs tab and add it

[sudden flame]

[dire osprey]

[simple pebble]

Talking about the stuff on the side, not the bottom

[lofty depot]

I don't consider those icons

[royal zenith]

I dont consider you a human

[lofty depot]

Good thing no one ask

[royal zenith]

same for your comment

thoughts?

[lofty depot]

Finnish something

[jaunty blaze]

🇫🇮

[lofty depot]

.... I think either arc does it or ayije does it

Can't remember

[eager raft]

Happy Friday deux

[royal zenith]

are you trying to replace the spell effects with icons @simple pebble?

cause that could probably be done with arcui ye

[royal zenith]

same to you

[lofty depot]

Maybe he have the class uhhh overlay thing off and doesn't know what those are

Hmmz

They only proc for a few seconds natty if that's what

But that Image also has the icons of the eclipse buffs

So um

[livid jay]

maybe they just have it turned off from previous expansion cause nobody needed it back then or it was even bad to have base thing like fire mage

setting spell alert opacity or sth like that @simple pebble

[lean jackal]

yea that's for sure base blizzard ui
just searching for 'opacity' should find it in the options

[craggy sonnet]

it is a blizzard thing .. think its called "spell alert opacity", the setting that controls if you can see those

you probably have it turned down to 0

[craggy sonnet]

ape

[royal zenith]

you just regurgitated the answers mahra and jango gave...

dunno if you can call him an ape...

[craggy sonnet]

i didnt read mahra typing out the name

but im glad you are always up-to-date in the chat history

someones gotta be

[lofty depot]

Well there's one in those that makes them longer iirc...

Clankz became a real rat after getting orange

Take it away

[craggy sonnet]

bad role models

[round field]

in my humble opinon

as a regular without the role

arctic is one of the least deseriving orange names of the current lineup

if not the least

i cannot think of a single other one who contributes less

[lofty depot]

There's like 20 that contribute less

[round field]

wrong

[lofty depot]

And I've said they can take it away

Don't care

[craggy sonnet]

why are you getting baited by iqni of all people?

[livid jay]

😄

iqni bored at work