balance

[pallid bay]

we're in 12.0, keep up

[civic junco]

God I’m washed up LMAO

[keen eagle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1150907092388036668/1491774474931142787/VID_20260408_135915_566.mp4?ex=69d8eabe&is=69d7993e&hm=289d7727284540a0b50f19df4b97f56a442763ab33b3ce360f824d2bd28c0de6&

[drifting nova]

wait are catalyst charges fortnightly not weekly?

[charred mango]

always have been

[royal zenith]

yeah you should know this kekkers

game shouldn't tell you this though!

(im jk oltanya)

[charred mango]

I never said thatttttt

[royal zenith]

:)

[charred mango]

😠

[lofty depot]

The game does tell u that though

Hover over the currency

[royal zenith]

I will not

[copper valve]

Am I allowed to post a log here?

[royal zenith]

that doesn't fit the narrative

[royal zenith]

100%

go for it

[copper valve]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/BTHNzXFZVRqDtxKk?fight=24&type=damage-done

Show me what I need to look for (especially when I review the logs on my own down the line)

[royal zenith]

is that your favorite emoji...

[copper valve]

Have I actually used it that much in ehre?

Fack, DH cord is right that I need to find a new one

[royal zenith]

🥹

which one are you

in the log

[copper valve]

Ah, Taluran

[royal zenith]

I dunno how useful it is to review your logs rn, 240 is very low ilvl

(also wtf is that group LMAO)

[manic plume]

Fire comp

[royal zenith]

We typically only play EC on paladins

in raid that is

[copper valve]

Yeah I didn't realise what the comp was until I went through it

[royal zenith]

looks like you just went in with an m+ build?

[ruby badger]

should have enough AP going into incarn to dump 3 spenders ASAP

should just be incarn > surge x3

and I don't think you wanna double incarn

You'll lose eclipse uptime during the fight letting them sit on 2 charges that long

[copper valve]

Should I just do Incarn > Eclipse then?

Or even Eclipse > spend 3 > Incarn?

[ruby badger]

Yeah there might be some niche situations on the later bosses with DPS checks / damage holds I'm not aware of yet

[ruby badger]

That used to be the move but it's pretty much damage neutral afaik to just rip an incarn on pull

(after building AP)

[eager raft]

good morning

[ruby badger]

and this one I'll need an adult for but I believe you wanna cast wrath outside of eclipse in ST with EC

[copper valve]

Ping the adult

[ruby badger]

so you should be doing pre-pull wraths then spamming wrath for even more AP until you're ready to incarn

[royal zenith]

for EC this is different

wth kotg you want to align with trees / 1min convoke

EC you can just combine with foe

and not clip ofc

[lofty depot]

Well u can't so incarn into eclipse unless u mean after incarn..

[ruby badger]

Yeah that's what I meant

[lofty depot]

Ec probably weird on that fight specifically

Casting 2s Starfire during amp gotta be cringe

[copper valve]

Darn, I really do need to learn Keeper then

[ruby badger]

but aren't you gonna lose eclipse uptime without really gaining anything by insta sending the 2nd incarn before your 1st eclipse charge?

[lofty depot]

Need to learn to be ready for pull

[royal zenith]

well you're aligning with foe so there's some time

[lofty depot]

Mmmhm mmhm

[lofty depot]

Correct

If u look at a fight like paladins where everyone is playing ec

There's some sending eclipse prior to incarns at the start

Before 1st and 2nd incarn in those cases

[royal zenith]

"everyone"

rank 1 doesn't do it

BUT OKAY

classic arctic gaslighting??

[ruby badger]

[lofty depot]

Everyone meaning EC

Vs playing keeper

Where there's negative logs playing EC saladbar

Whoops

Few things... That surge at 29 is between ur first incarn and 2nd

Sussy

[livid jay]

hahaha stacking bboomkins

[lofty depot]

2nd..... u were spam dotting at the end of incarn prior to this, which is relatively bad

But you also should be foe-ing prior to incarning, so that 2nd incarn press should've waited if foe wasn't up

Generally that foe is up prior to incarn in lust, but could be slow cuz of your dotting

[copper valve]

In that case, should I be dotting the orbs or nah, not worth it?

[lofty depot]

I'm not dotting both

[unkempt ore]

Play keeper and let the treants moonfire the orbs for you, ezpz

[lofty depot]

I dot the off target

[copper valve]

Honestly, true

Ahh

[unkempt ore]

i only bothered dotting the off target on mythic, on nm/hc they were exploding anyway

[ruby badger]

On heroic I wouldn't dot yeah

[lofty depot]

Also, prior to incarning u should redot the boss

Generally need to Sunfire with keeper cuz trees handle moonfire

But nonetheless

[copper valve]

I assume with EC then, both would be refreshed manually?

If the DoT isn't longer than 20 seconds?

[lofty depot]

Gamer

[lofty depot]

Yes

[lofty depot]

Correct, cuz u don't want to be dotting in incarn

Which is a little harder than saying always do it ... Cuz u have kindling

But necessarily..... Always do it :/

[copper valve]

Yep

[unkempt ore]

Is anyone else finding their sims are pushing them really heavily towards crit? (despite crit already being my highest stat) I'm still seeing mastery > haste in most logs/archon..

[lofty depot]

M+ers vibe

They don't listen to robot

Crit is good tho

[unkempt ore]

i've given up tryign to do damage in m+ anyway, i just play my 20 ilvl lower warlock to do that

[lofty depot]

Disgusting

Get out

[royal zenith]

define "heavily pushing"

if haste and crit are still about equal that's not heavy

if it overtakes mastery, that's heavy

[unkempt ore]

im pretty sure im currently crit > mastery > haste, let me go check

[royal zenith]

if you have more crit than mastery, you fucked up

but show sims

[lofty depot]

5t1.5m incoming 👀

[eager raft]

no

[civic junco]

5t 1.5m was my nickname in college

[royal zenith]

you are getting ignored so doesnt matter anyway!!

[unkempt ore]

hardly, they're all 1t 5m, i need to re-sim tho as i changed something earlier

[eager raft]

Aqual manaforge omega video when

[lofty depot]

Trying to think of a funny thing that starts with a T

[lofty depot]

He said no, specifically cuz u asked

[eager raft]

[lofty depot]

Thanks a lot man

[civic junco]

It’s because I don’t love you no more

[eager raft]

I’m sorry

[civic junco]

I actually discussed it a little bit this morning but I put out a statement before the beginning of this tier. I also copy pasted it in here in case anyone came by to search.

[lofty depot]

How do I search for something u said but don't know what u said

[copper valve]

[lofty depot]

Silly robot man

[royal zenith]

his head is EC hero talent...

what did you expect.....

[lofty depot]

A savant

[civic junco]

Me press starfire

[copper valve]

Anything else major that I should be wary of, by the way?

[lofty depot]

U should link to ur YouTube on ur profile so I don't have to go search for ur channel

[unkempt ore]

following the robot i've ended up with 801 crit, 714 haste, 655 mastery at 277 ilvl. I have just fully upgraded my new occlusion of void tho so it might honestly be telling me to drop crit in a sec :))

[lofty depot]

Playing EC in raid

[royal zenith]

share the sim

[copper valve]

OKAY, I'LL MAKE SURE IT'S KEEPER NEXT TIME

[unkempt ore]

yeah i'm re-simming atm

[lofty depot]

That seems giga fucked

[alpine sonnet]

Do we starfall on 2 targets now after the recent buff? 🤔

[lofty depot]

Yes

Also Starfall cosmos procs with kindling

[unkempt ore]

oh this means that bit on dreamgrove about 2t cleave is outdated?

[civic junco]

Just in case anyone doesn’t use the From: Aqual07 search function and want to sort through all my random comments.

[civic junco]

I’ll do that right now

[lofty depot]

Ok nvm video too long

Was gonna go find my comment

[royal zenith]

Seems like it ye

[lofty depot]

If gamz hasn't updated it yet

@lucid olive

[royal zenith]

don't think he has, or missed a bit

[lofty depot]

What the helly

[royal zenith]

AoE Priority does say (2+ targets)

the title for the section

[lofty depot]

Real

[royal zenith]

but the prio list might be a bit misleading

[lofty depot]

But this part doesnt

[eager raft]

Found the message. Unfortunate circumstances and I hope to see more videos in the future 🫡

[lofty depot]

And the prio list doesn't have Starfall using cosmos

[royal zenith]

respectable found his long lost brother

using "difficult" words to sound interesting

[unkempt ore]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5xDcJi1sBiTpnSWh6hUHPG @royal zenith as well - this is simming re-gemming and enchants and using my midnight falls build (no kindling, incarn).

[eager raft]

Which words would you consider difficult

Dumb ass

[civic junco]

I will return. And when I said “I don’t love you no more?” That’s because I was lying. I simply love you too much.

[royal zenith]

Outrageously unfortunate circumstances I hope that in the near future the stars will align and be forever in your favor!

[unkempt ore]

And just for a laugh btw: https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/j4a6NehEamcc4CYSjJEo5T even my 5t 1.5m sim likes crit over mastery..

[eager raft]

Nice self report

Some real tough words in there for a guy like you

[eager raft]

Love you too man

[royal zenith]

I don't try to be tough

now that's a self-report

[eager raft]

No I think you misunderstood

The words were tough for you to read and understand

[royal zenith]

unless I purposely misunderstood

dum dum dummmm

[eager raft]

I don’t want to argue deux you win

[royal zenith]

we will never know

[eager raft]

I lose

[royal zenith]

well ye

[lofty depot]

Well 1. How many times do u play convoke vs incarn in raid

[royal zenith]

that's cause you a loser...

[eager raft]

guess so :/

[lofty depot]

2. U do realize these are all the same right

Like 20 dps is the same right

[eager raft]

95477 is a larger number than 95455 hope this helps

[drifting nova]

not in golf

[unkempt ore]

Yes of course, but still means the sim is ambivalent about the fact I am crit > haste > mastery

[civic junco]

How am I supposed to know if one number is bigger than another if I can’t count that high?

[eager raft]

The rank them highest to lowest!

[lofty depot]

No that's not what that means

[eager raft]

You don’t even need to know the number!

[lofty depot]

It gems haste and mastery at the same rate and it's neutral

I need to sim something when I get home

Surely I remember

[eager raft]

What do you need to sim I’ll remind you

[unkempt ore]

I mean my original question was, is anyone else being told to go heavier into crit than haste or mastery. This sim is clearly not screaming at me that I need to dump crit and pick up mastery

It was more out of curiosity than anything tbh

[lofty depot]

Sunseeker vs meteorites for some fun target count diffys

Granted this doesn't proc like this..... But is 1% damage and 200 asp better than 3% dam

[royal zenith]

well it's simming with the gear you have

[eager raft]

@royal zenith please remind me later to remind Arctic to sim sunseeker vs meteorites for some fun target count diffys

[royal zenith]

you can add specific mastery heavy items and see what it does for your character, to see if it matters

[slender island]

please share the results, i played meterorites yesterday on HC reclear (casual i know) and it was a blast

[royal zenith]

at some point it will lean into a specific stat to 'make the most out of it'

[lofty depot]

I'm think for fights like cosmos..... Where I could be spamming Starfall vs STing

[royal zenith]

my char sims around 99k with similar ilvl and gear/trinkets

as an example

but it will take into account what your trinkets do (if they're like proccing heavy mastery or w.e.)

also crit is not THAT bad, this tier

[civic junco]

Crit is good because it makes you do double damage sometimes 🙂

[slender island]

it did about 2.7% for me on cosmos (and ofc SF spam is only until p3)

[royal zenith]

Im prepping something for ya james, but I cba logging into raidbots

so it's taking longer

poor version..

[lofty depot]

Well that's why I said 1% dam but 200 asp and then 3% dam

Was looking at mythic logs

But like 10 procs of sunseeker throughout I think to phase 3

Seems giga shit

[craggy sonnet]

i think its a fake narrative. if you can do it without messing up timers, it is worth doing .. especially with incarn

[unkempt ore]

Yeah maybe my example is actually bad, i have a mastery haste ring I could use instead of the lower ilvl crit haste one, but I'm using this as sims prefer the crit one. I'm not particularly fussed, was just surprised and wanted to know if others were seeing something similar

[ruby badger]

Fake narrative in which direction

Pro eclipse on pull or anti

[royal zenith]

well the most important part is to just sim -everything- and add specific items to test your assumptions or findings

[lofty depot]

Anti

[unkempt ore]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/6hFyavreGkVNs2ZYNHFmE9 okay after upgrading my occlusion of void it basically doesn't care which of those rings I use as long as its one of the ones with haste

[royal zenith]

but yea

[slender island]

yeah i am staying the fok away from sunseeker shrooms bc it always procs at horrible times for me

[lofty depot]

People like pressing their buttons when they're up, delaying in opener makes them angy

[royal zenith]

@unkempt ore https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3rdNKhUooedekqwTUVUMUc

Ive added the pvp neck you can get through quest and omission of light

[frank vine]

yes of course, im just curious whether to use ascendant eclipses on preferred spender or the other that procs, which im still unsure of...

[royal zenith]

so yeah, it's just trying to make the most of the gear you have

[lofty depot]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/6SMnnbfB5dvwDbUWQGE57c

Deux wants him to pvp, what the helly

[royal zenith]

dude it's piss

[craggy sonnet]

getting eclipse out on pull and spending apex stacks before incarn is better if you can do it without messing up timers

[royal zenith]

takes like 1 hour tops

for the whole questline

even I did it!!

[unkempt ore]

is it? id been considering it

[lofty depot]

The neck started simming worse for me

Even on aoe

[unkempt ore]

ive been spamming npx for the ring since taking it from vault

[lofty depot]

Yes u can do training grounds with bots

[ruby badger]

On some fights it lines up so nicely, other fights I feel like just ripping

[royal zenith]

yeh training grounds is actual piss

[lofty depot]

How many have u done

If its less than 20, u need to get back to work

[unkempt ore]

oh not many yet, i took the ring from vault before raid yday, and did a mere 5 after raid

im at the start of my joker arc

[lofty depot]

5??!?

"spamming"!??!?

[unkempt ore]

starting spamming more accurately

[lofty depot]

Back to the mine lil gup

[unkempt ore]

learning to heal cause no one invites balance druids lmao

[lofty depot]

Play bear

[eager raft]

Don’t spam just simply loot the item

[royal zenith]

all it took

[lofty depot]

God gives his strongest soldiers the hardest battles

Means ur weak

[royal zenith]

Im fine with being weak

stronger in other departments

[lofty depot]

Think it only took me like 10

Then I started slamming them with guildies to trade

[craggy sonnet]

well, as i said it is probably fine in ST and to some target count in aoe but since more targets also increase the discrepancy between the spenders, you will not use your free surge at some magic number .. but i dont know where that is

[drifting nova]

[lofty depot]

Why dont u know where that is

Hm

Piss useless I tell u these clankers

[frank vine]

so in ST just send the proc and in aoe also send it (kinda) thanks for clarification clankz

[craggy sonnet]

because im still trying to get lunation to freakin work

and ignored aoe stuff

[lofty depot]

Yea stop rhat

[lofty depot]

The proc is good for solstice uptime if u think it's just piss dam from surge

[craggy sonnet]

i wouldnt use it in big pulls

i think

[lofty depot]

I'm using it I cba

Surge feel good

Starfire feel bad

[craggy sonnet]

you have so much ap gen in aoe tho

during cooldowns

[lofty depot]

Ok so why r u casting Starfire when u could be casting spenders

Mmhm mmhm

[frank vine]

yes, but does that 3 sec solstice uptime in ST outdmg the 20% on surge and possibly a free surge after that (big think)

[lofty depot]

On st, u send the proc on starfalls too

Cuz u get more surge procs

[frank vine]

is there a way to actually calculate that with a specific tool

[craggy sonnet]

its also not like you are losing the proc

its just a chance to munch it

[lofty depot]

Need gamz to check the surge more condition

Cuz before it was better to surge ascendents

But it could be neutral or starfall

Cuz free procs

[frank vine]

so even if ascendant eclipses is up you still send starfall

yep, get it, but probably those things wouldnt matter in reality as much

[lofty depot]

Well before the buff it was preferred to surge on st

[frank vine]

maybe im overthinking it

[lofty depot]

And if u had no asp but a Starfall proc u would just send the proc

[frank vine]

aaa right its because of the recent buff

well, maybe gamz will have a better insight into this matter

[fossil hemlock]

Gamz is known to know things

[lofty depot]

Better insight

What the helly

[fossil hemlock]

Roll insight check

[lofty depot]

Rolling

[drifting nova]

is there a build that doenst have apex talents in it

[craggy sonnet]

it wasnt on my end pretty sure

[frank vine]

did i say something wrong ://

[lofty depot]

R u rolling dm?

Or am I rolling for u

[fossil hemlock]

Buddy you thought this joke further than me

[lofty depot]

???

The fuck is this

[last hornet]

Is there any specific talent recommanded for delve boss in ??

[lofty depot]

Amateur hour

[fossil hemlock]

I'm bored at work, watching the clock tick down

[lofty depot]

Urs

[fossil hemlock]

Not balance

[lofty depot]

Get fucked

[last hornet]

You mean no guide or dont do it as balance ?

[lofty depot]

I'm insightful

[round field]

the 2nd

[fossil hemlock]

gg

[lofty depot]

Press n, play bear or tree

[last hornet]

Damn is it that bad

[lofty depot]

Double bodied

[lofty depot]

Well it doesn't work,.ur kick is too slow

[round field]

get rolled

[last hornet]

If I play it tank or resto should I get geared as such ?

[lofty depot]

What ilvl r u

[round field]

wdym get geared as such

[last hornet]

Really sucks that solo pve as balance has always suffered such a problem since bfa vision

[lofty depot]

Well that's not the reason

Did kyveza ?? Just fine

They did some funny thing with the kick update

[last hornet]

Im stuffed versa hast as a pvp balance, maybe tank is mast hast or something, should I get better stats

[lofty depot]

Rank isn't mastery haste

[round field]

wont rly matter

[lofty depot]

The stats don't matter

What ilvl r u

[last hornet]

Atm 236, by the time I get full pvp gear ill have 256

[lofty depot]

Piss low

[last hornet]

Dont mock my ilvl

[pallid bay]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/dnGqLnWcVYHopCh5UKSoUQ

[lofty depot]

Uhhh, get a friend maybe

[last hornet]

He mocked my ilvl

[pallid bay]

no additional context

[lofty depot]

U can 5 man it

Takes longer, but he doesn't do tank buster

[round field]

pvp gear kinda worthless in pve

[lofty depot]

Surge cosmos fall

Now I'm gonna have to see which one it presses lol

[last hornet]

Ik but it can be upgraded to 256

[lofty depot]

U can get 256 by closing ur eyes and doing delves tho

[craggy sonnet]

nice

[last hornet]

Ye it's same gear

[pallid bay]

talents-spender-cosmos usage

[last hornet]

Usually I gear in pvp and get delves trinkets

[lofty depot]

Thanks dad

[last hornet]

I'm running delves 11 easily

[craggy sonnet]

have you done only cosmos on fall outside ecl?

[fossil hemlock]

I will take this as gospel without any further thinking

[craggy sonnet]

that was best pre buff

[pallid bay]

have not

[alpine sonnet]

Do we take kindling (and meteorites?) with the starfall buff on multi-target fights like dragons?

[frank vine]

sorry, didnt mean to offend if i did, just understood it as "we could ask gamz if he knows more due to changes"

[lofty depot]

@carmine vigil btw here's ur math u were looking for.

[pallid bay]

meteorites is good on 2T

there's a 2T version as well
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/wzSLt5X6sHMFv2bdvHJFLH

[craggy sonnet]

am lying anyways .. was this
actions.kotg_st+=/starfall,if=buff.ca_inc.down&(talent.starweaver|buff.eclipse.down)&talent.meteorites&buff.touch_the_cosmos.react&!buff.starweavers_weft.react

[lofty depot]

Was looking at dragons I ran meteorites for fun

Cuz spam casting Starfall, did 3% dam

Need to test sunseeker later

[pallid bay]

the results should only be compared to the same talent build

[craggy sonnet]

this with targeting lowest stellar amp duration target?

too many copies

[fossil hemlock]

Even more in 2 weeks, yuge buffs

[lofty depot]

If it's not, it was only a 1% gain to swap targets for amp

Surely about the same

[pallid bay]

if thats in the base APL then yes

otherwise no

(answer is no i think)

[craggy sonnet]

(think so too)

[pallid bay]

yeah not there

[lofty depot]

Just a yoke

Not really surprised sune had it tho

[frank vine]

wait, im so lost, what was the conclusion then behind it all

[pallid bay]

idk what the question is

[alpine sonnet]

Where can one learn more about the spicy wild mushroom tech?

[lofty depot]

What's spicy about it

[pallid bay]

spicy cause you get an aneurysm trying to press them in time before the void orbs perished

[lofty depot]

Real

Fuggn devdh rats

I'm ethically pressing starfall cuz it's better on 2t

They're out here collapsing stars-ing the orbs

What the helly is that

[lofty depot]

Ok I'll break it down for u this is big tech

Sooo the first adds dont spawn til like 40... So u can press mushroom in opener and not lose a charge

Big dam

Then u can press likely 2 mushrooms during the first set after dumping all ur starfalls

It's important that u press incarn prior to add spawn

And then next add set is at like 115, which means u'll have 2 more mushrooms

Same process but ur trees will be late

[frank vine]

@pallid bay i asked this but we kinda reached a conclusion

[frank vine]

gotta try that, sounds like big numbers

[lofty depot]

His funny Sims don't answer ur question to be fair 🙂

His is just a talents and spender / cosmos useage

[alpine sonnet]

so grief raid, big parse? 😄

[dire osprey]

Nobody plays ethical anymore nowadays…. Disgusting…

[lofty depot]

Why does that grief the raid?

[lofty depot]

Yea smh, I kill adds cuz they need to die

They kill adds cuz they want to do big dam

We're not the same

Mmhm mmhm

[alpine sonnet]

I mean wont you deal significantly less boss damage overall holding CDs for adds that typically die to cleave relatively fast anyways?

[dense steeple]

I need to hard farm on my dh if I have any hope of getting off this dead spec

[lofty depot]

Why do u think we would do less boss damage

I'm actually curious what the thought is there

[dense steeple]

Starfall hits boss too buddy

[lofty depot]

Starfall capped kek

[dense steeple]

2t starfall good

[lofty depot]

22 targets

Mmhm

[frank vine]

dam, big dam

[alpine sonnet]

Sure, but you'd use incarn outside of most of the bl window etc

[lofty depot]

Oh maybe he thinks we're still surgin 2t

[dense steeple]

Good thing we have eclipse

[lofty depot]

1 incarn means fuck all

[frank vine]

i feel like starfalling a billion targets means much more dmg than bursting 2 targets in bl

[dense steeple]

Half of incarn is spent blasting spenderd anyway, lust is useless

[alpine sonnet]

ofc it's more damage, that's not the point, point is if that damage is valuable

[lofty depot]

He was saying specifically boss dam

[alpine sonnet]

if you're killing adds faster, but the adds would mostly die to cleave anyways

[lofty depot]

Well orbs dying is valuable

What the helly

[alpine sonnet]

you're increasing your own damage but not really the overall raid damage, necessarily

[lofty depot]

If they don't die, u die

[frank vine]

i mean its not like youre padding

[lofty depot]

I mean I did fine on boss dam

[frank vine]

youre doing good dam

[lofty depot]

Idk

[exotic perch]

Guys please

[dense steeple]

Letd say you st boss in lust. How much of your incarn is casting wrath realistically

[arctic ruin]

I did 16 runs yesterday fishing for light ring

[exotic perch]

This is clearly a paid agitator from dh discord

[lofty depot]

Our dks messed up 2 grips

[fossil hemlock]

Rookie mistake, ring drops from end of run chest, not from fishing in the key

[exotic perch]

Trying to stop moonkin from doing more dam

[dense steeple]

People need to stop thinking lust is going to give boomy significantly more damage when 80% of that incarn window is a spender that has no cast time

[lofty depot]

I did same dam as rogue first 30 seconds

Who's really padding

[dense steeple]

Wait you raid with happidh

[lofty depot]

Better know as happirogue but yes

How do u know happi

[dense steeple]

I feel like I recognize him from dh disc

[lofty depot]

Why r u on the dh discord.....

[dense steeple]

Cause my main alt is a dh

And paper was there

But I think he got banned again

Ok I gotta shower while servers down bye

[digital berry]

wtf is this maintenance for goddamn it

i have skinning to do

oh it's over

[craggy sonnet]

Ok, that's not reasonable.. you know gcd goes down, ye?

Incarn benefits quite a bit from haste

[dense steeple]

shhh

zero benefit

only spender

[lofty depot]

Have u considered that I'm doing boss damage and orb Damage

Actually hmm

[lofty depot]

Do u have a log for vaelgor

This is no flame I'm doing big science

[dire osprey]

vaelgor

[craggy sonnet]

Didn't even talk to you bud

[dire osprey]

the padders threathened to bench me because i was out padding the padders

[lofty depot]

Tell them to pound sand

[plucky valley]

^

https://tenor.com/view/pound-sand-gif-26311922

[dusk spear]

Is ring of the loa actually good, or only sim good (for a casual who doesn't really raid and is probably doing low mythics)

Is there a way to tell raidbots: "I kinda suck as a player, sim me for being a scrub"

[lofty depot]

Just enter ur character it knows he a scrub

I JK, uhhb

Do u have shit rings currently

[normal pilot]

no but that kind of defeats the point. if you're that bad a player you don't need to sim, you can just take highest ilevel

[craggy sonnet]

does it sim good?

[dusk spear]

Well, i guess my main question is would I want an embellishment on the weapon vs boots vs ring.

[lofty depot]

The problem with simming things like this and having immediate increase but not having ur beat items from m+, means u could have champ items or worse.

Then ur comparing items upgraded but different crests spent

[dusk spear]

because i'd craft a non-embellished ring if that were the case

[lofty depot]

Typically weapon

[craggy sonnet]

what did you craft until now?

[lofty depot]

But I'm open to see a sim beat it

[dusk spear]

i crafted bracers because i had blue ones and couldn't get shit to drop

i got a weapon outta delves

[craggy sonnet]

do you have myth crests?

[dusk spear]

nope

[lofty depot]

That weapon out of delves doesn't matter if u can craft a 285

[craggy sonnet]

seems like he cant

[lofty depot]

Well u could get some myth crests

[dense steeple]

bro why the FUCK did this guy invite a 265 dh to a 13

[lofty depot]

U have the technology

[dense steeple]

farmed fuckin deplete score is all he did

[lofty depot]

Dh cranks

I'm 268 on my dh and I crank

Inv me

[dense steeple]

truly cranks

[lofty depot]

Not a cranker

[dense steeple]

dogshit players getting invited to 13s is a fucking scam

i thought that was 10 behaviors

[lofty depot]

I mean ur playing warrior or

[dense steeple]

??

[lofty depot]

?

That color brown

[dense steeple]

thats orange

[lofty depot]

Fix ur details

It's not

[normal pilot]

maybe run your own key

[dense steeple]

i was told you get good players at 12+

[lofty depot]

Why r u in 12+ then?

[dense steeple]

and instead i get griefing dh who cant stand still to save their life while they do 0 damage

[craggy sonnet]

hdr monitor?

[lofty depot]

Hehe

[dense steeple]

no

[lofty depot]

Sir, I'm casting while moving

Get with the times

[dense steeple]

he got me killed on last boss

[craggy sonnet]

can you get some? cause crafting weapon is >>> crafting ring if you dont have a myth track one

[dense steeple]

twice

because he had to run in circles while spamming consume

that his balls would come out and hit me

[lofty depot]

Mmmhm mmhm

AA?

[dense steeple]

MT

[lofty depot]

Hm

Silly guy ism

[dense steeple]

blacklist guy ism

[normal pilot]

all this still sounds like somethying you can fix with your own key

[dense steeple]

im trying to get score, my key wont give me score

i dont want to waste time doing something that wont give score

[normal pilot]

go run it up

did you not get score in that last run you're compalining about

[dense steeple]

no

[normal pilot]

unlucky sounds likey ou wasted time anyways

[dense steeple]

thats why im tilted

[normal pilot]

should've run up your own key then

[dense steeple]

what i need is to join a "13 competitive" that doesnt say "we can still finish" after 12 deaths from 1 player

[lofty depot]

Why is soma pushing without me

Ill be ur DH and carry

Mmhm mmhm

[dense steeple]

cause no shot i get your dh into a 12/13 pug

[drifting nova]

out climbed by tettles, unluck

[lofty depot]

Why

I'm a cranker

[drifting nova]

clanker

[lofty depot]

No

cRanker

[drifting nova]

woah

[lofty depot]

Yea some of us have a job what

Although that'll say online soon, but cuz I go home for lunch

[dense steeple]

i have a job too

i took the week off

[lofty depot]

We're casually taking weeks off?

That's badass

[dense steeple]

yeah

i hope i get in, i have a little more m+ score than that

[lofty depot]

I don't even have all the 10s done on dh lol

Did like 6 12s on drood

[ancient lodge]

Hey guys just wondering, in raids if I entered the wrong eclipse on accident, should I still cast the marching filler?

[dense steeple]

same

[ancient lodge]

Eg if I entered lunar eclipse on a single target phase

[dense steeple]

more than me

[ancient lodge]

Should I still stick with casting the moon filler?

[lofty depot]

Hmm me trying to remember if we did some funny tech

Presumably u cast starfire

Probably

Per chance

Also uhh I haven't found a reason to go into lunar

So probably don't do that

[ancient lodge]

Uh oh am I playing it wrong haha, generally when there are 3 or more targets in a raid I go lunar haha

Eg cosmos when the void slimes spawn, or light blinded vanguard

[dense steeple]

vanguard you should be playing EC anyway

but there is no other point in the raid to go lunar

ever

dont do it

[ancient lodge]

Ok gotcha

[lofty depot]

Burst on keeper for vanguard doesn't matter cuz it's a sustain fight

[ancient lodge]

Gotcha.. I'm still not so great in deciding when to go EC haha... I just blinky use kotg for everything

So just to check, even when there's void sludges in cosmos and many afds

I still stay in solar form?

That makes it a lot better tbh haha

[dense steeple]

yes, just hit some starfall if you want to pad

[ancient lodge]

Ok

Thx guys ❤️

But sorry if I may, could I just double check why we don't go lunar when there are 3+ adds?

[lofty depot]

U play EC on 1 fight usually

Cuz they don't live long enough generally

[ancient lodge]

Ok gotcha

I felt that was a lull too

Lil*

Thank you everyoneeee

[lofty depot]

Most of the time during add phases u can incarn as weel

So he just slamming that

[ancient lodge]

Wait I may have been doing sthg wrong, I usually just blindly pick convoke the spirits

[dense steeple]

bad

dont do it

[ancient lodge]

Uh oh haha

Ok thank you guys

I did feel convoke felt a bit awkward

[winged wasp]

Is convoke an overall avoid, or only in certain scenarios?

[lofty depot]

Can convoke in normal or heroic

[dense steeple]

its just not that good on mythic this tier

[round field]

Inshallah i manifest full scale balance rework in 12.1 including a convoke removal

[ancient lodge]

Issit because mythic raids last so long that incarn pulls ahead haha?

[round field]

🙏

[dense steeple]

idk im not a numbers man

[ancient lodge]

I'm still a plebian heroic raider tho heh... Raiding for first time this expac

Gotcha

[dense steeple]

i just do what the big pumpers tell me to do

and my number go up

[ancient lodge]

Heuehue

[lofty depot]

oh thats right

i was gonna loko at ur log

what fight was that

@dense steeple

chimaerus?

oh ur group 2

yea get fucked

what the helly

are we trolling?

press incarn on pull silly

blud u went down first group the first kill

then 2nd ground 2nd

YEA UR GONNA DO MORE DAM

[winged wasp]

Seen a few logs where people will roll with eclipse first to built astral power, then incarnate.

[lofty depot]

what the helly

[winged wasp]

Like this

[lofty depot]

prob soma doesnt know hhow to pad

fucking hell

[lofty depot]

well on that boss if u do that and delay incarn

shit wont line up if ur group 2

if ur group 1

yes u do that

if ur talking in general

that used to be a gain, its not anymore

i do however do it on some fights

for timings

[digital berry]

on chimera if youre group 2 do u jsut send on pull?

[dense steeple]

tru

just slammed an ez maisara

never going there again

ongod

[lofty depot]

smh

[lofty depot]

ye

[upper anvil]

what makes raider io score from your main to show on your alt? is it certain Io on the alt or wait till database updates?

[dense steeple]

so youre saying my feral druid cucked me?

[lofty depot]

yea fuck him

he plays 1m convoke why is he going down first

[dense steeple]

he literally asked to go down first so he could be with the monk for phys dam

[lofty depot]

go hit boss rat

[dense steeple]

and rl was like sure idc

[lofty depot]

monk phys?

BLUD DOES NO DAMAGE TO ADDS

[craggy sonnet]

https://support.raider.io/kb/raider-io-score-and-raid-progress/what-are-the-minimum-requirements

[lofty depot]

what?

[craggy sonnet]

and then wait til update once you reach those

[lofty depot]

i hate ferals man

wait u have a mw going down with u

what u mena "with monk"

[dense steeple]

thats what i was told man idk idc

[lofty depot]

u were told he goes group 1 cuz monk buff

when u have 2 monks going seperate groups

who is the moron

ur rl or the feral

[dense steeple]

the feral asked for that

[lofty depot]

im gonna start a holy war

[dense steeple]

he said its easier to get the monk buff with g1 because tank isntead of healer

so he wants to go for the phys buff

rl said "sure idc just dont fuck it up"

[lofty depot]

what

the monk is hitting the adds

feral just making shit up

if i request something u better believe in r1-ing

[young shuttle]

why are the stat prio so different between wowhead and icyveins?
whats correct? o.o

[lofty depot]

well first and foremost..... sim ur character for gear upgrades

2nd.... mastery is generally better

and then it starts doing funny shit

sometimes crit good sometimes u want more haste

[royal zenith]

I think icyveins is wrong or a mistake has been made

explains stats later on

and put mastery up there

[young shuttle]

sim makes sense to compare a item but...you still need a gear list you can actually follow — especially if your raid distinguishes between BIS and simple upgrades. thats why i ask

[royal zenith]

regardless, what arctic says rings true

You don't need a gear list

[lofty depot]

Yea so u go to droptomizer and see what items are best

[royal zenith]

you need an understanding of how your class works

[lofty depot]

Then u redo it each time u get some upgrades

[craggy sonnet]

you just make it up

[lofty depot]

Gear lists don't matter when people that use them don't have half the gear on them

[young shuttle]

well.... it was never so easy to get full BIS this saison with upcoming patch

[lofty depot]

Objectively not true

U can always get full m+ bis

It's called play the game

[digital berry]

Going down for chimera is a dps loss on the damn adds I wish I never had to

[craggy sonnet]

?

[royal zenith]

Im pretty sure he's saying it's easy right now

[zealous loom]

Hello Guys!

In Single Target running KoTG, should I always spend my Ascendant Fires procs on starfires instead of wraths?

[lofty depot]

I mean hero items dork

[lofty depot]

If ur in incarn it's w.e., solar is wrath

[craggy sonnet]

and these matter how when he wants to be able to mark stuff as bis in wowaudit?

[zealous loom]

ty

[lofty depot]

What

[digital berry]

The highest count of adds just goes back up in .2 seconds cause the shield breaks so fast

[lofty depot]

I need to get a pull where I go down and then get the debuff to go back up

So u get double add set

[lofty depot]

Have u considered doing more damage to them

[digital berry]

That’s best case scenario

[lofty depot]

I wonder if a new strat u could just send 1-2 people down

[digital berry]

I mean they implode only so much I can do

[royal zenith]

uhmm ackshually

[lofty depot]

Assume tank, Aug, priest for pi and then dh or boomkin

[royal zenith]

that's called a tactic

strategy is long term

[lofty depot]

Do damage faster

[lofty depot]

Surely fluups guild does this

Or some Chinese/Korean guild

Big parse sellers

[digital berry]

Would you have enough dmg to break shield ?

[lofty depot]

Yea

[royal zenith]

are you saying chicken's guild is similar to chinese/korean guilds?

[lofty depot]

Pi + Aug ezpz

Uhh did they do that.

[royal zenith]

no, but that's where fluup plays

(he's healer btw)

[lofty depot]

Oh

Tragic

[royal zenith]

is it really tragic to be higher ranked

or

[lofty depot]

Playing a healer yea

[royal zenith]

[neat horizon]

what level of key do we stop taking mastery and take verse in algethar? or is it always sending mastery

[lofty depot]

Lol never

Might take haste

Don't think they took vers in DF either

[royal zenith]

nah they took vers if they were actually getting one-shot

but you just used the website to calculate what you need

and bark + bear covered most if not all the one-shots

the rest is git gud

https://not-even-close.com

[drifting nova]

why does this exist

[royal zenith]

why do you exist kekkers

cause without mediocrity, there is no superiority

[lofty depot]

Iirc the only thing that 1 shot u back then was the line up on 3rd boss

The birb used to do a lot but was easily bear formed

Both of which big hits have been removed......

[royal zenith]

yeah it was unnecessary to actually fuck up your stats

but m+ érs

[lofty depot]

I was looking at a goober taking Crit yeaterday

[hollow mist]

[lucid olive]

purple suits you!!

[hollow mist]

silly purple but thanks gamz!! hope u been well buddy

[lucid olive]

I'm well, hope your year has been great so far this year too!!

[lofty depot]

Moderator in jest

What the helly

Marvel has it too

Hmm

[royal zenith]

I can take it away..

:)

[lofty depot]

That's curious

[royal zenith]

Ill take away your orange

[lofty depot]

Do it

[digital berry]

Give it to me instead

[royal zenith]

@remote vale can you take away orange

need to show a force of power..

arctic's role that is!!

[lofty depot]

Lol, what a liar

[jolly delta]

purple gone wat the hel

[silver flume]

u only starfall on drakes on mythic?

[remote vale]

[digital berry]

Could sweep and rake I guess

[remote vale]

post a corgi and i will

[royal zenith]

shit

https://klipy.com/gifs/come-on-23

is this enough??

[remote vale]

Regular gone

[lofty depot]

Homie

[remote vale]

PUrple added

[royal zenith]

NOOOO

[lofty depot]

I'm goated now

[digital berry]

Purple does not suit you Arctic

[lofty depot]

@lucid olive

NOOOOOO

Smh, didn't even get to see it

I take picture tho

Rekt mister silly

[digital berry]

Can I get regular for like 10 seconds too I want to make my mother proud

[lofty depot]

Doesn't have that same punch

[lofty depot]

Go outside, probably make her proud

[lucid olive]

wheres my purple (not in jest)

[sudden pawn]

https://tenor.com/view/pig-laptop-gif-20532336

[remote vale]

cant do that, Regular has some perks, and not even $20 could temp me

[dense steeple]

cyous i miss you, youre still the goat in my eyes

[remote vale]

im on TBC, quit retail. but i wanna say HUGE PROPS on your Moonkin WAs over the years. I got some envy seeing how clean yours looked. Solid work my guy

[dense steeple]

nono i didnt make them boss i just edited what others made

it was sune and shrom who made them

[remote vale]

welcome to the club

mine were built off some shitty code i wrote in WOD

[dense steeple]

so is midnight

[remote vale]

[remote vale]

Gamz, you need to donate $20 to my doordash account

[dense steeple]

i'll do it for purple

[lucid olive]

damn that's too much

[dense steeple]

i havent abused the orange you gave me yet

[lofty depot]

How does one abuse orange

[dense steeple]

i wont tell you

youll abuse it

[lofty depot]

What the

[finite vapor]

Hey guys, im trying to figure out how to optimize my dmg in m+, i mostly do 10's-12's and have been playing KOTG. I can see top logs for high keys plays EC. In your opion, do you think EC would give me a "significant" dmg gain, in my key range?

[lofty depot]

No

Keeper can do more in 10s, it's just harder to effectively do so

[red nymph]

probably not a damage gain but is easier to play in keys so that might increase your damage

[lucid olive]

is it easier to play

[red nymph]

in keys? i think so

[dense steeple]

EC is braindead theres nothing to big brain

[lucid olive]

think both are pretty simple no

[dense steeple]

yeah for sure

[lofty depot]

Depends where u want to draw the line

[dense steeple]

it just sucks that EC is the stronger spec

[red nymph]

i think there is more room to make mistakes in kotg in aoe situations

[finite vapor]

I think KOTG is retty simple, and was "afraid" that EC would be more difficult, but i might have that one wrong i guess

[lucid olive]

Keeper better for movement, EC loses more value the worse you are at planning for movement

EC easier to plan CDs since there are less of them

[lofty depot]

They both have their drawbacks..... Keeper is more burst which leads itself to be better in lower keys

[finite vapor]

But the key takeaway is they are both pretty simple, and do similar dmg, if played correctly

[lofty depot]

Ye

[digital berry]

Kotg does more burst dmg but ec does more sustained dmg

[lucid olive]

Similar overall, with different damage patterns and different decision making during the key

[finite vapor]

Makes sense

Thanks for the replys guys, really helpful

[drifting nova]

is the luara ring bad

[digital berry]

Is there any ring outside of the two np rings

[lucid olive]

yes

[dense steeple]

theres lots of rings

[digital berry]

I tunnel visioned on those two

Simmed the highest on hero track dungeon droptimizers

[dense steeple]

i looted this one today too

[drifting nova]

isnt bad but what do I know

[digital berry]

Why is it 6/6 hero

[drifting nova]

STOP ASKING QUESTIONS

is convoke fixed on dreamrift yet

[lofty depot]

Why wouldn't ur ring be 6/6

[lofty depot]

Like 3 weeks ago dawg

[drifting nova]

big pamp why didnt you tell me sooner

[lofty depot]

P sure I have

[digital berry]

Why are you throwing hero crests at rings ? Over any other piece that has main stat

[lofty depot]

Why r u so far behind?

Upgrade weapon, helm/chest/legs, trinkets, rings, 2ndary off pieces, wrist/cloak

And u sim the justification for any

[digital berry]

I haven’t received a single piece of myth track gear from raid, it’s been dry up in here

Only 275

[lofty depot]

I'm 276

That doesn't change u sending hero crests

[eager raft]

276

[lofty depot]

U should be done next week or the following

[eager raft]

🫵 😂

[lofty depot]

I lied 278.88

[digital berry]

I am sending just not into damn rings

[lofty depot]

Seems silly

U wouldn't send into wrists over ring

[digital berry]

I have other pieces before I bother with rings

[lofty depot]

If u upgrade wrist or cloak before rings.......

[eager raft]

Send rings immediately

[charred mango]

vibe gaming

rings don’t have int so they’re bad

i respect it

[dense steeple]

i have 60 crests and i dont wanna send em

might put 40 into a ring tho

[lofty depot]

Sim jt

Bro this rat has better gear than me what

Oh, could go into neck

U need a better neck first tho

[digital berry]

My neck is dog too

What are yall wearing

[lofty depot]

Pit neck

[charred mango]

pvp quest

[lofty depot]

Pvp neck good too

[exotic perch]

or just craft one

neck craft is best cause you arent killing lura on mythic soon

[lofty depot]

What the ew

Maybe u arent

[exotic perch]

nice casual 500 pull boss for most guilds

[lofty depot]

Yea gonna be a blast

[red nymph]

l'ura gonna be a skeleton of what it is now, in a week or 2

[lofty depot]

That memory game gonna farm guilds regardless

[charred mango]

I don’t think it gets nerfed right on the .5 release

As in to the ground

[exotic perch]

memory and the glaives

[lofty depot]

I mean, usually that's on cadence

[charred mango]

it’ll be nerfed but not “a skeleton”

[exotic perch]

those glaives are gonna be so annoying

zone out for 2 secs and you are dead

[lofty depot]

The memory just needs to get changed where both tanks can't go down likely just make it so whoever has or doesn't have aggro gets sent down

So then assuming 1 of ur tanks is raid leader ish.... U can split people pressing icons in both realms more reliably

[exotic perch]

yeah i would have prefered it with the 3 phases

but each phase has their own symbols

but then thats crazy in comms

[lofty depot]

Ye

And all ur rats have to add icons to their files

[exotic perch]

the heroic version of it is nice

mythic version could have just been heroic but with 15 people in 3 phases needing to align

without the information asymmetry

[dense steeple]

arctic

do i finish it or just move on to dh?

[lofty depot]

Uhh

U mean getting to 3k?

Just get it no?

[stone ledge]

Depends on what the last 2 are lol

[dense steeple]

i mean if i do a seat 13 im done

if i do a WS 13 i might have to do seat anyway

or i can just do both of those on 12

[wild dune]

not 3k week 1

joever

[dense steeple]

i hate mini game

also i didnt push io i just farmed nexus point and windrunners forever

[wild dune]

u fell behind the curve of players with working hands

[dense steeple]

i have working hands

[wild dune]

99% of keyers doing 13s dont however

they moved on to 16s

[dense steeple]

fuk

[maiden roost]

Need help for this vault please. Am I cooked? Is it really a socket week? No mastery on any of these plus crafted weapon for first craft.

[rich mist]

anyone know if theres an addon that like continues to show the texture of eclipses beside your char?

[lofty depot]

That's one of 2 bis daggers for later, but yea not doing raid vault makes ur options bad

Sockey if u want increase now

[leaden birch]

has anyone tried the sealed chaos urn in m+?

[lofty depot]

Getting feared seems fun

[leaden birch]

just kill a mob

[hot apex]

No trinket use on bosses seems fun

[merry ridge]

Do you think it’s bad idea to play with feather and vaelgore for mythic+ high keys cuz you never do 2 incarnations one after another and the global cds between two use trinkets is 20 seconds anyway so you can play incarnations around them

[lofty depot]

It's lining them up that's trouble later

[merry ridge]

Yeah I guess it makes sense but my other option is crucible for the moment no gaze no heart wind

[lofty depot]

Crucible is a good trinket

[merry ridge]

Aight

[lofty depot]

I don't see the issue

[charred mango]

crucible pumps

[late coral]

Guys i have a dilemna, i'm full hc, only pushing keys

what do i chose

[lofty depot]

Do u have 4p

[late coral]

yup

[lofty depot]

Ok, so what the sim say on the diffy

[late coral]

Haven't simmed yet, the thing is

[lofty depot]

I'd assume the legs were more at max ilvl but shrug maybe mot

[late coral]

i will get legs at some point

and catalyst

Not sure i'm gonna see the trinket ever again

since i don't raid much

[lofty depot]

Where u gonna get myth pants

[late coral]

in cache

[lofty depot]

Ok, so u don't think u can kill chimaerus and get lucky again?

[late coral]

did it this week already

[lofty depot]

Yea that's the point

[late coral]

but if i take the trinket i don't have to raid again

[lofty depot]

If that's how u want to see it ok

[late coral]

it feels wrong to discard one of the two items

[lofty depot]

Go sim it

It sounds like u don't actually need help tho, u just want someone else to tell u to take the trinket u already want

Just take the trinket

[whole hornet]

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