balance

[lofty depot]

chosen of elune....

[royal zenith]

no *

dwilkz*

[lucid olive]

nice number bucko

[dull dust]

diwilsiz

[lucid olive]

mine is 3% higher

[lofty depot]

Benchwilkz

[lofty depot]

Bear forming be doing that

What happens when I play ethically

[dull dust]

use ur talents bro

[lofty depot]

I am

[dull dust]

hit mangle

[lofty depot]

Hotw goes hard

How I mangle in range soak

U fuck

[dull dust]

skill issue

get gripped to it

[lofty depot]

Also, I was thinking of some tech

[lucid olive]

lol

[lofty depot]

@lucid olive thoughts on mangle taunting vorasius to not get fixate

[lucid olive]

I used Bear Form same number of times as you but with less total uptime

[lofty depot]

Dam

I'm goated or

[lucid olive]

you're just standing in it for no reason

less uptime on bear I mean

[lofty depot]

Yea

[lucid olive]

not less casting uptime

[lofty depot]

I sit in it for like 5 seconds

Cba

[lucid olive]

yeah don't do that

[lofty depot]

Lol

[dull dust]

wtf

why

[lofty depot]

I HAD MY RL PARSEC-ING ME LAST NIGHT

[lucid olive]

wdym 5 seconds you sit in this shit for 8

[lofty depot]

I PLAYED ETHICAL

[dull dust]

bro

[lucid olive]

Ethical and stupid are two different things

[lofty depot]

Me big liver

Me no wipe raid

Me no die

[lucid olive]

think my defensive uses on that boss was pretty solid tbh

[dull dust]

does that mean u take longer to get drunk

[lofty depot]

U 6 heal?

[lucid olive]

should probably upload kill video but making thumbnails is boring

no we 5 healed

[lofty depot]

Sheesh

Yea idk, there's some dank lineups where I'm just 50% HP waiting to die

[lucid olive]

I used Barkskin if I was below 90% HP as the Mistweaver renewal mechanic came

and then on the soaks I slam Bear Form HOTW and insta shift back

Roar as the soaks come out and slam HOTW on same global before shifting back since the HOTW buff is like 20 seconds

[dull dust]

[stark meteor]

ok yay logs make me feel way better about my damage

im the PERFECTLY AVERAGE BALANCE DRUID!!!

[dull dust]

they hotfixing hotw next week watch

[lucid olive]

yeah they should fix it

HOTW doesnt get shown on logs

unless you look at resource event and see where you proc a HP increase

[tranquil vault]

getting out dpsed by another balance druid 🙁

[lucid olive]

and youre both doing 0 dps

unfortunate

[royal zenith]

There's always bigger fish

[lucid olive]

[bleak kiln]

Man this vault looks like a damned feral druid vault

[tranquil vault]

🙂 it's a pug and i'm just a heroic raider 🙂 no mythic

[stark meteor]

ok YAY!! what can i do better :D https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/vrJzyMDR9YC6WbZk?fight=13&type=damage-done

[teal sphinx]

@delicate perch show vault

[tranquil vault]

show vault? 🙁 it's not vault day 😛

[stark meteor]

are vaults open on eu?

[uncut roost]

Just be NA

[lucid olive]

@livid jay appreciate the ten bucks but it's really not needed

[dull dust]

send it to me

its needed

[royal zenith]

you know what we dutch say

never look a given horse in its mouth!!

(and yes that's terrible english on purpose)

@pseudo merlin

[dull dust]

@pseudo merlin

[lofty depot]

Not using eclipse for multiple minutes

[tranquil vault]

make that the kat wise

[royal zenith]

truuu

[lofty depot]

Should be using it prior to incarn for more buffed starfalls on packs that live long enogh

[stark meteor]

is it worth dropping incarn on the bl packs?

[royal zenith]

what do you mean by dropping

[stark meteor]

(what I have been doing for the record)

[royal zenith]

cancelling it's aura?

[stark meteor]

using it

sorry

[livid jay]

lunch on me

[lofty depot]

Is the wrong word

[stark meteor]

used to saying dropping stuff from other games when im using cooldowns LOL

[lofty depot]

Slam would be more appropriate

[pseudo merlin]

true

[royal zenith]

the nr. 1 thing you need to think about

is to just

[pseudo merlin]

That's simply what is on the hand

[royal zenith]

get as many incarn uses as possible

regardless of the type of mobs

[bleak kiln]

Man....... I legit have to skip a great vault

[stark meteor]

is there a general number of mobs I should be using incarn on vs regular eclipse?

[royal zenith]

CA/Incarn > eclipse always

more dam

you -could- decide to nuke specific mobs/bosses with incarn if you're in a coordinated group

but just focus on getting as many uses as possible

[stark meteor]

okok

is it something ill get better at the more i mindfully do it

[lofty depot]

Well sending on 1 mob is less damage than sending on 20

[royal zenith]

if tanks pull 1 mob they're up for passing tho

sit them down..

have a talk..

[lofty depot]

But it takes time to understand where u would cd

And pugs pull whatever they want

[obsidian fox]

So the worst piece of tier set is the hands, right?

[lofty depot]

Yes

[royal zenith]

ouch

[stark meteor]

is that my logs

[lofty depot]

No some random picture I found on Pinterest

[stark meteor]

argh.. i miss survival hunter

[royal zenith]

isn't there a macro that allows you to not double press it

[grim crater]

i feel like I'm doing something wrong in my rotation

[stark meteor]

so im just not utilizing incarn as much as i should and i don't have enough uptime on my eclipse for starters

[royal zenith]

or is that not functional anymore

(I never used it, just dont press twice lol)

[lucid olive]

Sure yeah but there's a built in delay to not double press

[lofty depot]

Ur dotting things first few globals of exlipse

It's bad

[stark meteor]

im fully unironically writing this down btw

[lucid olive]

Like you have to spam CA for 2-3 seconds to double press

[royal zenith]

yeah Ive never encountered the issue

supposedly you have set up everything to just send it once you pop incarn

[grim crater]

any druid in between 267 to 270 wann share logs to see what mistakes Im making?

[royal zenith]

only dps globals after

[stark meteor]

sometimes that's just "oh fuck my tank pulled these things after i think i got all my dots out"

[lofty depot]

This was a boss fight

U also like running around for fun and not pressing ur wildcharge

[stark meteor]

is that also a boss fight?

[lucid olive]

thats entire key

[stark meteor]

1. incarn and eclipse not used as effectively as possible + bad uptime
2. stop dotting during eclipse
3. stop running around with a heart full of whimsy
4. be more assertive and proactive

[obsidian fox]

So apparently I got these in my vault and my simms give this, but I feel like wrists could be replaced, whereas shoulders are bis?

[stark meteor]

terrible habit from not having casts

[lofty depot]

We're mildly afk

[lucid olive]

be more assertive and proactive

[royal zenith]

where lies your doubt

[royal zenith]

if you have 'easy' access to shoulders via raid, get wrists

if you craft wrists, get shoulders

[obsidian fox]

That I could get any Mythic shoulders and upgrade them to tierset, when wrists can't

[lofty depot]

Did u die or it die

I don't feel like going to replay

[obsidian fox]

Are crafted wrists any good?

[stark meteor]

it died, don't believe i died during that one

[royal zenith]

it's a choice

[lofty depot]

Not as ur 2[€ craft

[royal zenith]

and different per character

that's why you sim...

[lofty depot]

So u sent incarn with 5% on boss left

That generally smart

[uncut roost]

Mythic stick

[royal zenith]

don;'t think you can blanket statement this type of stuff in M+

[stark meteor]

that was an autopilot mistake i remember that's the first boss

[royal zenith]

if you can skip a cast that can kill you, you send that incarn

on higher keys that is

[stark meteor]

and i audibly just said fuck bc we're about to pull half the room right after this

[royal zenith]

also if you have enough time for your incarn to get back for the next pack

[obsidian fox]

Yeah but sims are very similar in this case, that's why I'm asking, not sure if crafted wrists are better, I got these, how to sim items I don't have?

[royal zenith]

it doesn't mater if you send it

(like when you teleport after a boss in nexus)

[wispy yew]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/qDdcG1FLzNR8Xg3C?fight=last&type=summary

ok i finally did a log on a dungeon i timed

this is me doing everything that i think is correct. 🙂

[royal zenith]

you can add them via topgear at the top

[lofty depot]

It's a 10

[royal zenith]

just need to find the name of the item

[lofty depot]

So yes I can

[stark meteor]

unfortunately this was maisara so it was right away lol

[royal zenith]

do you know the meaning of a blanket statement

@ arctic

just checking

[stark meteor]

a 10 is big for me..

[lofty depot]

Yea it's what me and ur mom lay under

[royal zenith]

just making sure you're operating at the right wavelengths!!

[lofty depot]

Mmmhm mmhm

[lucid olive]

wavelength is my 2nd best stat

[obsidian fox]

Thanks

[lucid olive]

vibe is the best one

[wispy yew]

and i definitly did not do that well lol

[uncut roost]

2 mythic sticks on the warlock

[lofty depot]

Why r we linking warlock vaults

Fuck off rat

[stark meteor]

what dungeon because we probably have similar problems

[uncut roost]

CUZ

[wispy yew]

nexus

i just dont know what the fuck im missing. im clearly missing something when im playing

[stark meteor]

1. incarn and eclipse not used as effectively as possible + bad uptime
2. stop dotting during eclipse (okay during the first big pull <3)
3. stop running around with a heart full of whimsy
4. be more assertive and proactive

[wispy yew]

and idk what. im a tank main. this is my first time ever dpsing since wow

[lofty depot]

Uhhhh

[royal zenith]

people who come from melee type of classes

[lucid olive]

that number 2 is some arctic shit for real

[royal zenith]

just dont cast enough

most of the time

[wispy yew]

Ok, as in theyre overlapping? or theyre just used at the wrong time

[lucid olive]

"dont dot during eclipse" is either misleading or straight wrong depending on context

on the first pull of a key there is no harm in entering Eclipse before you start to spread dots

[wispy yew]

i usually dont need to redot during fights, so its generally a leftover eclipse while chain pulling and im doting new enemies

[lofty depot]

Ur sitting on incarn charge

[wispy yew]

Should i use that even if i have eclipse charges?

or should incarn just always be on CD

and then use normal eclipse charges when i dont have incarn

[lucid olive]

ideally they should both be on CD

you use Eclipse as you start to dot on your first pull

[wispy yew]

OH i thought i was supposed to kind of like. use an eclipse

[lucid olive]

when the mobs are gathered you incarn

[wispy yew]

then when that falls off hit incarn

[lofty depot]

It was during boss and redotted first global and not just outside of eclipse what the helly

[wispy yew]

then when that falls off eclipse

[lofty depot]

Me do maff and he do wrong

Mmhm mmhm

[wispy yew]

So i need to keep incarn on CD

[lofty depot]

Sure "blanket statement"

[wispy yew]

and fill with eclipses when its not up

[lofty depot]

But nonetheless I gave a picture

[wispy yew]

ive been doing it the other way around

[lucid olive]

keep both on CD

where you decide to use them depends on other stuff like

[lofty depot]

There are times where u don't press incarn

But u straight held it for 2 minutes

[lucid olive]

"is this a big pull"
"is my trinket available"
"will i overcap the timer on Eclipse if I press Incarn here"

"can I press Incarn here and still have it available for my trinket in X seconds"

"is the next pull usually a big one"

[dull dust]

realist thing u ever said

[lofty depot]

Mmhm mmhm

[royal zenith]

if you want to pad the meters, save an eclipse for every pack so you open with lunar bolt + insta cast starfire

smile

[lofty depot]

Write that down, write that down

[lucid olive]

On Nexus Point the dmg amp starts at like 30 seconds ish in

[dull dust]

duex

[royal zenith]

chacnel

[dull dust]

go review the mdt route and add suggestions

[lucid olive]

So on the trash before the boss spawns I usually don't send Incarn at all and only send Treants on like the 2nd mob spawns

[dull dust]

lock in

[royal zenith]

do I neeeed tooo

[lofty depot]

And starfalls

Is important more starfalls buffed = better

[wispy yew]

ok ok

[royal zenith]

and if you want to get real funny... juggle solar/lunar bolts...

[lofty depot]

Juggle deez

[red nymph]

🥜

[wispy yew]

Ive got the talent where i only have lunar eclipse lol

[royal zenith]

young grasshopper..

[wispy yew]

Thats me. ive played since launch and never touched dps before

[stark meteor]

is this a good summary of all the advice thus far?

1. incarn and eclipse not used as effectively as possible + bad uptime
2. stop dotting during the first few global of eclipse (okay during the first big pull <3, just eclipse > dot >incarn once mobs are allll together)
3. stop running around with a heart full of whimsy and use wild charge instead
4. be more assertive and proactive
5. i love to see big numbers go up so save eclipse + starfalls (more starfalls buffed is better) for each pack >:)

[royal zenith]

what is the route you used @dull dust

or do you just want feedback on the sim

[obsidian fox]

Can you craft any piece of equipment at level 285? like can you craft all your tierset at 285?

[royal zenith]

specifics on technical shit is better for gamz/dsune

[dense steeple]

Deux are you a macro man?

[lucid olive]

if the sim makes sense

[royal zenith]

I can only apply logic

[stark meteor]

crafted gear can't become tier set if i remember right

[dense steeple]

Or gamz

[lucid olive]

no I just vibe press shit

[obsidian fox]

Anyone can confirm this?

[wispy yew]

Yes

[dense steeple]

I have a buddy whos a monkey and spams his buttons he wants to make a macro to help delay his spam queue

Because his button turns into another button and hes wasting his proc immediately

Whats the macro command for that

[royal zenith]

have him turn his sqw to 0

[lofty depot]

Get new hands

[royal zenith]

Im kidding dont do that

[dense steeple]

Lmao

[craggy sonnet]

What does that mean

[dense steeple]

Like i afree with arctic but I know theres a way to stop this

[lofty depot]

He's trying to .react clankz

[dull dust]

yes

[lofty depot]

But faster

[dense steeple]

He hit button 60 times per second. When he hits button once. It procs into a dif button and he immediately wastes it

[stark meteor]

thank you all for the advice i really appreciate it 🙇‍♀️

[dense steeple]

Whats the macro like to stop this

[lofty depot]

Some.of us play on lower spw cuz we have mental illness

[lucid olive]

isnt it some castsequence reset null shit

[delicate perch]

tier chest hbu

[stark meteor]

eventually I'll be up in the 90% but I'll aim for no lower than 50% as i mindfully practice

[delicate perch]

@teal sphinx

[royal zenith]

are we talking ways to not cancel convoke?

[stark meteor]

❤️

[royal zenith]

cause then it's what gamz said

[dense steeple]

He did specifically ask for cast sequence but neither of us are positive thats what hes after

[teal sphinx]

tier helm with socket

[lucid olive]

nah can do [nochanneling] for that

[dense steeple]

Hes a hunter

[red nymph]

it aint that great up here. take your time

[teal sphinx]

https://media.discordapp.net/stickers/1399479499506192504.gif?size=160&name=freak

[stark meteor]

one day lol

[lucid olive]

idk I know there's some "castsequence reset null" macro for CA to avoid double pressing (i don't use it so no idea)

think @pallid bay posted it months ago

[stark meteor]

i'd love to do a +20 just for personal satisfaction

but that's a ways off

[craggy sonnet]

I still don't get it

Why is his button changing

Into something else

[royal zenith]

I think it was something like this

/cast Celestial alignment
/cleartarget
/use 13
/targetlasttarget
/cast Convoke the Spirits(Night Fae)
/cqs```

the 'old' versions

[lofty depot]

What in the fuck is that

[stark meteor]

shadowlands....

[royal zenith]

uhu

cqs is the important part

but that's all I remember

[lucid olive]

yeah cqs is cancel queued spell

[dense steeple]

Cause trueshot turns into moonlight glaive

Is this it?

[dull dust]

/castsequence reset=1 celestial alignment, null

[dense steeple]

#showtooltip
/castsequence reset=5 celestial alignment, null

[craggy sonnet]

/castsequence reset=2 Celestial Alignment, null

[lucid olive]

now is it 1, 5 or 2

[royal zenith]

3 different versions

[lucid olive]

who knows

[royal zenith]

nice

[dull dust]

we did it

[craggy sonnet]

Doesn't natter

[dense steeple]

The number is gcd right

[royal zenith]

what does 8ball say..

[lucid olive]

its 8

1+5+2

[craggy sonnet]

No doesn't matter

The number is just a buffer

[dense steeple]

Oh

[craggy sonnet]

For it to not recognize double clicks

[dense steeple]

Copy

[craggy sonnet]

Because it blocks the sequence for that duration with a null action

But why it changes to a diff button I still don't get

[red nymph]

why is the guy that writes the guide and update the APL also the vibez guy?

[craggy sonnet]

Ah, sorry

Didn't catch it

[dull dust]

playing both teama

get him

[royal zenith]

you're missing an s in your macro

clankerz failed...

human afterall

[red nymph]

spends so much time doing all the theorycrafting and maffing just to go into raid and press whatever he wants

[craggy sonnet]

Stupid phone

[dull dust]

kinda based ngl

[dense steeple]

I mean yeah gamz always been a "push what i want" kinda guy

[royal zenith]

why not both

[dense steeple]

Thats why hes the expert cause hes vibin top 50 parses every tier

[dull dust]

50/100boomkins

[delicate perch]

50/49

[dense steeple]

Top 50 goes hard when you don't announce the low end

[royal zenith]

make it top 50 NA too

even better

[dull dust]

top 50 frost mage last tier was like doing tank dam

[red nymph]

aare we not supposed to look at only regional parses?

[pseudo merlin]

/script LeaveParty()
/use 14
/target lasttarget
/whisper Raidleader inv
/click StaticPopup1Button1
/cast Celestial Alignment
/cancelaura Starlord
/cast convoke the spirits``` this is the real one

[red nymph]

i am a product of my environment

[royal zenith]

whisper raidleader inv

I cant

[pseudo merlin]

that was for IQD

[lucid olive]

IQD

[pseudo merlin]

[lucid olive]

[royal zenith]

"I got another mana proc fcking healersss!!"

[dull dust]

forgot the /gquit line

[jolly delta]

ethical boomie

[lucid olive]

worst part is if DOS came back for a season then IQD would be dogshit for like every class

cause no 3m anymore

[dull dust]

ele shaman

[royal zenith]

well kinda depends

[lucid olive]

ele is barely 3m anymore

[pseudo merlin]

surely they make it 2m

[lucid olive]

its a loss for them to play 3m

[royal zenith]

if trinket is just as strong... you hold coolies

[silk swan]

That poor arms warrior probably didn’t even die

[lucid olive]

There is a 3m on use this season

[pseudo merlin]

would 3m IQD work for bamkin, like you can play 1.5m for gaze right

[lucid olive]

anyone using it?

[dull dust]

also u would take on 1m5m

[pseudo merlin]

ye from pit

[lucid olive]

yeah its dogshit

[pseudo merlin]

but its also a stinky crit trinket

like

[red nymph]

we just go orbit with it?

[pseudo merlin]

its super underbudgetted

for a 3 min

[lucid olive]

You don't think IQD would be the same?

[pseudo merlin]

i guess

[lucid olive]

I think it'd be a total RNG fest if that trinket was good or not

[pseudo merlin]

yeah

[dull dust]

I think we would use fragment

[lucid olive]

and if it's good then people have to hold CDs for line up

[dull dust]

from the df dungeon

[lucid olive]

which just makes it dogshit vibes

[red nymph]

oh i didnt see orbit also reduces by 60 sec. i havent loked at that talent in 2 expansions

[lucid olive]

orbital strike always reduced CA to 2m

[red nymph]

in DF?

[lucid olive]

yes

you played OS Convoke on Gnarlroot

for 2m line up in dmg amp

[dull dust]

can we change it to be 1m

[lucid olive]

could play it on Smolderon as well if you wanted

I remember some savant inventor of tech played it on Tindral and did well

[lucid olive]

that guy was my goat

[dull dust]

id take a 1m ca over 2 charges ngl

[wild dune]

one day we'll play OS

[dense steeple]

gaze angle?

[wild dune]

[dull dust]

gaze

[dense steeple]

i also have normal alleria trink in bag

[dull dust]

gaze is bis

[red nymph]

nah take the tokens

[dense steeple]

ONE of em

[dull dust]

healer trinket cope

[lucid olive]

finally found it

[quiet citrus]

is locus walker ribbon top 4~?

or bin

[lucid olive]

yeah good trinket

[dull dust]

u at the start or the end

[lucid olive]

who knows

pick one

[dull dust]

[red nymph]

this is exactly what i was thinking of when i was typing that

[dull dust]

I hope its the end

[dense steeple]

if i grab gaze i have all 3

[dull dust]

boss man

[lucid olive]

think Gaze should probably be top

[dull dust]

get gaze

[lucid olive]

I pressed BIS on our first Ribbon from heroic Alleria so I had to make all the guides put Ribbon at bis innit

[dense steeple]

[dull dust]

that goes hard

[lofty depot]

@ draco

[pseudo merlin]

[lucid olive]

can't do the classic "don't trust in the guides they are wrong!!!" when it's your guide

[dull dust]

when i simmed them last gaze was still beating it at 8m

[royal zenith]

you just change your words to "the guides CAN be wrong"

and you got your bases covered

[pseudo merlin]

true

[dull dust]

just blame chancel

[pseudo merlin]

blame tettles

[lucid olive]

Gaze was also getting fixed back and forth

[dull dust]

this was after the more recent one

[lucid olive]

for a while Ribbon was simming better

[dull dust]

but also im all for cucking your healers

[dense steeple]

my alt got myth tier pog

[lucid olive]

I should start gearing alt but that requires logging in for another reason than filling craft orders and AFKing in Silvermoon

[dull dust]

make sim better if u have free time not alt

[jolly delta]

sim better?

what are you simming blud

[lucid olive]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-screaming-then-running-away-spongebob-squarepants-spongebob-spongebob-meme-running-gif-14848209682511966800

[jolly delta]

we're almost max gear anyways

[dense steeple]

heres my alt

[dull dust]

114

[dense steeple]

we vibin for barely playing it

[lucid olive]

my 2nd druid is 268

[dense steeple]

okay tough guy

[lucid olive]

played it for like 5 hours..

[dense steeple]

ive got 0 loot from raid on this guy

[jolly delta]

easy when people spoonfeed you....

[lucid olive]

nobody spoonfeeds my alts

[dull dust]

easy when he makes the sims lie for him

[lucid olive]

we needed split characters for chimaerus splits so i spent a day gearing it last wednesday

gear is turbo free

[jolly delta]

gamz when do you release hidden cat opener

[lucid olive]

paywalled

[dull dust]

bluzz should make catform abilities stack a0

ap

[jolly delta]

give us

master shapeshifter

cat spells cast with 5cp

give 40 AP

[dull dust]

and reduce ca cd by 10sec

catform till cds go again

[pseudo merlin]

druid players dont want fun

[jolly delta]

chance

[pseudo merlin]

look at feral and feral tank

[jolly delta]

imagine

just imagine

[pseudo merlin]

they already ruined that hero talent that made you shift

it was so fucking fun holy shit

[jolly delta]

going cat form when in eclipse downtime

that woul be epic

[pseudo merlin]

i think that's so cool

one can wish

never gonne happen

[dull dust]

I think u can

rn

[pseudo merlin]

give druids a second weapon slot for their off form

[jolly delta]

i mean you can do w/e in eclipse downtime currently

but

make it fun...

i appreciate you chance

you

understand me

[dull dust]

im p sure if u die after 3m on the sim u only lose like 10%

[jolly delta]

not like that party pooper of gamz

smh

[pseudo merlin]

no way

[dull dust]

leme check

I bet its not a lot

[pseudo merlin]

thats shadowlands levels of no dmg outside of cds

[jolly delta]

i think its more if you put sim at 5.5m or smth

[dull dust]

ok I made that up

its like 25%-

which is standard

[red nymph]

forever chasing the dopamine hit of watching a full moon coming down on sludgefist

[royal zenith]

those days are gone

we get beaten by bears

[lofty depot]

U can do that with devdh

Except u get that 4-5 times in a minute usually

[dull dust]

bug abuse arcane hit some 2.5m touches

[lofty depot]

It's ok, that spec is floor

[dull dust]

still get beat by tank

[red nymph]

devdh did look quite dopamine friendly

[lofty depot]

Should just run 20 bears and have O issues

[dull dust]

real

[lofty depot]

Save regrowths from people to heal active tank

[dull dust]

race would've been over last week with 20 bears

[lofty depot]

Yea imagine the non-nerfed version

[dull dust]

yea

I wonder if at that point the teams were considering bear comp

[lofty depot]

They didn't have every person have a bear so idk

Probably assumed it would get fixed or they would get yelled at

[dull dust]

probably told blizz they were gunna run 20 bears and they hotfixed it

[grim crater]

wait wait wait

should I be going into eclipse and then dotting? when mobs are getting pulled?

or should I dot first, and then get into eclipse

[lucid olive]

For the first pull yeah no reason not to

[dreamy locust]

Did starfall buffs change starfall on 2-3 target?

Or same as before

[lofty depot]

Yes but also some other things

Is 2t nonetheless

[lucid olive]

If you're doing like Moonfire -> Moonfire -> Moonfire -> Moonfire -> Sunfire -> Incarn, you might as well enter Eclipse first just cause it's more efficient

[lofty depot]

Until u pull aggro cuz lunars did big dam

[dull dust]

should make a flow chart image

@ gamz

[lucid olive]

no

[dull dust]

gamz never makes anything for me

[lucid olive]

I made a flowchart for some random shit months ago and that took me like an hour

[dull dust]

[lofty depot]

here's ur flow chart

[lucid olive]

not worth

[dull dust]

just copy paste it into chat gpt and tell it to

[dreamy locust]

These just out of date for now?
https://i.imgur.com/iQJsWGc.png

[lucid olive]

sure

open a PR and change it and I can merge it

[dreamy locust]

Seen last update was pushed today, but was suprised it was 3 still with buff

[lofty depot]

Well it's not live in eu

[lucid olive]

^

[dreamy locust]

But figured that part just might be slow

[dull dust]

eu isnt even a real place

[grim crater]

Fr?? I thought I would just be wasting Cd's if i would go into eclipse just to dot. I always assumed it was better to dot then go into eclipse to use my spenders

[dreamy locust]

[dull dust]

tf yall on about

[lucid olive]

Well if you use Incarn after then you're just sitting at a capped Eclipse forever right

[dreamy locust]

Gotcha, thanks mi amigo

[red nymph]

is it as good as the old feral flowchart?

[lucid olive]

my country not part of the union

[dreamy locust]

I love the feral image for AoE breakpoints

that shit is goated

[royal zenith]

by the time incarn is done

[dreamy locust]

Spaceship lookin cat

[royal zenith]

your charge of eclipse is back...

[lucid olive]

https://tenor.com/view/norge-gif-7183136280701119382

[royal zenith]

people not quick mathing during combat anymore??

[grim crater]

so the recommendation would be eclipse > dot > incarn an spend.

[lucid olive]

yeah

[grim crater]

I assume that given sundered firmament will proc on the next eclipse is even better

[lofty depot]

u also get 3 buff starfalls

[lucid olive]

can probably spend on Starfall if you overcap while dotting

[lofty depot]

that big dam surely

[lofty depot]

firm is beans

me use orbit breaker

[grim crater]

Guao

[stark meteor]

i would ask everyone that's not me because that was my question lol

[lofty depot]

sunderef firm doesnt matter when u have foe up

[dull dust]

I knew u wernt firm

they have pills for that

[lofty depot]

im firm in ur mom

[dull dust]

[stark meteor]

i have to start balding to do more dps i think

[lofty depot]

im not bald

[dull dust]

proof?

[grim crater]

does atmospheric exposure proc twice if you have two FoE? one from normal cast and one from sundered firmament?

[dull dust]

no

[grim crater]

rip

I would've thought so but that would be pretty op lol

[lucid olive]

no, but the duration refreshes for every tick of FoE

where as for Full Moon it is applied once

[lofty depot]

IMAGINE

[stark meteor]

im gonna be the worlds first woman to be a IV on the Norwood scale

[grim crater]

that's good to know

[dreamy locust]

https://tenor.com/pzhEidxAsey.gif

[grim crater]

ik right? hahah just an extra 12% damage on every FoE dropped

[lofty depot]

well if u proc on eclip

then get another on incarn

then have foe

thats 18% silly

[dull dust]

I need blizz to buff moons by 40%

[lucid olive]

I remember doing some funny override sims in Season 2 TWW

[grim crater]

knowing this info im gonna have to try and log myself again.

[royal zenith]

I will nerf it back down, personally

out with the moons

[grim crater]

I feel like im going high in damage but fall off after a while

[lucid olive]

think I figured out that for Moons to be worth playing back then it would need a triple digit buff

[dull dust]

surely not anymore

[lucid olive]

idk Moons is pretty beans for dmg

good for AP gen

[dull dust]

its like

5% behind rn

[lucid olive]

might have changed now yeah

Eclipse change made it better

[dull dust]

which i guess i equal to not taking a talent

[lucid olive]

ye

[dull dust]

unlucky

[royal zenith]

5% is a lot tho chancel..

all our talents are like what

max 1%

[dull dust]

foe is like 10% or something for ec

[lucid olive]

should fill out the talent value sheet..

[dull dust]

I made that up

[royal zenith]

does help to put things into perspective @ gamz

unironically

[dull dust]

but its only slightly worse then incarn

[royal zenith]

just slap blizzard with a sheet of F A C T S

[lucid olive]

yeah I know, they are just really annoying to do

and I don't know how the spreadsheet works properly

[royal zenith]

also facts

[normal pilot]

just ask claude

[grim crater]

this being said should I just spec out of sundered firm and use that point elsewher?

[lofty depot]

well i said i use orbit breaker

[lucid olive]

but setting up the sim is annoying cause its just a bunch of ```profileset."power_of_goldrinn:1"+=spec_talents+=/power_of_goldrinn:1

profileset."wild_mushroom:0"+=spec_talents+=/wild_mushroom:0

profileset."wild_mushroom:1"+=spec_talents+=/wild_mushroom:1

profileset."sunseeker_mushroom:1"+=spec_talents+=/sunseeker_mushroom:1

profileset."sunseeker_mushroom:0"+=spec_talents+=/sunseeker_mushroom:0```

and you need a talent page as a starting point

so you need to make one that is as neutral as possible

[grim crater]

gonna have to test it then

[lucid olive]

cause if your starting talents use like

Starweaver

for example

the value from Hail of Stars will be diff

so its just really annoying to make sure you have profilesets for every combination that could alter the value of a talent

[dull dust]

im gunna make a flow chart

[void jacinth]

gunna mentioned

[lucid olive]

what do you think about wireless festival or whatever being cancelled

[jolly delta]

if i dont kms after raidbots stole my idea

that was on the todo list

[normal pilot]

you just need to sim all 872 million talent combos, then build a heatmap based on the avg dps you get from combos that have a certain node talented

[lucid olive]

[craggy sonnet]

Ok, nice. Do that

[dull dust]

can u do that real quick gas

[jolly delta]

clankz have you seen that

raidbots stole my idea

[craggy sonnet]

Ye

[dull dust]

robbed

[jolly delta]

crazy world we live in

[normal pilot]

yoink

[jolly delta]

next theyre gonna steal my logs

my gf

[dull dust]

gas secretly leaked it

[normal pilot]

do you have orange logs

or is it green

[dull dust]

I have purple logs

[craggy sonnet]

But it is just highlighting, right?

[normal pilot]

green names have green logs that's why you never trust

[lucid olive]

autocomplete

[craggy sonnet]

Not close to what you aim to offer

Oh, ok

[jolly delta]

I had 2nd best log on fyrakk lfr

does that count

[normal pilot]

only if you locked it in

[jolly delta]

i did but then realm change bricked my logs, its joever

[jolly delta]

yeah i know

has "some" autocomplete

[lucid olive]

well thats the easiest fix possible

[jolly delta]

but I think its just snippet based

[lucid olive]

just go to wclogs account settings and add the old character

if it's too old then email wclogs and just send a log of the old character and the new character and go "these are the same character"

thats how I got my Dazaralor logs to show

[jolly delta]

ive been emailing wclogs for the past month about their handling of private data

and they've been ghosting me

[lucid olive]

use diff email address

[jolly delta]

i dont think they want to hear more

[dull dust]

the cycle ends when u either time a key or die

which comes first

[pseudo merlin]

irl?

[dull dust]

well u bricked cuz u died in game

so i guess die or die

[snow elm]

starfall dmg changes as mastery goes up and down during its duration right

[drifting nova]

who what where

[lucid olive]

yes

[lucid olive]

yeah they booked kanye for 3 nights in a row

then got backlash

[drifting nova]

shouldve let him come

then deport to pad the numbers

[lucid olive]

then cancelled cause government wouldnt let Kanye into the country

[drifting nova]

silly government

not thinking big

[drifting nova]

jesus wept

[void jacinth]

is it cancelled cause they picked Ye?

[lucid olive]

yeah

[drifting nova]

I'd never heard of it til now so..

nothing was lost?

[void jacinth]

but u just quoted kanye

[void jacinth]

guess its fine, he shouldnt recover this quickly probs

[drifting nova]

[drifting nova]

you're outing yourself for knowing that

tbh

[red nymph]

meteorites werent simming correctly but now are?

[void jacinth]

never gonna be shamed for fw Bound 2

[drifting nova]

just need to deport the other american

[pseudo merlin]

@drifting nova worth?

[drifting nova]

worth what? by themself?

[pseudo merlin]

the contract

theyre like 180k each

[red nymph]

do the american thing to the american? bold strat

[pseudo merlin]

feel like its a scam

[drifting nova]

wdym 180k

[pseudo merlin]

I'm not IM

I buy my seeds dummy

[drifting nova]

then dont speak to me

[vital hound]

[drifting nova]

swiper

[pseudo merlin]

[drifting nova]

no way seeds are 180k

wtf

[pseudo merlin]

yes

[drifting nova]

I have like 60

[lucid olive]

was changed like last thursday I think

[pseudo merlin]

go trade

youll be rich

[drifting nova]

checked my snapdragons last week was like 6m

[pseudo merlin]

snap, snape and dragonfruit

crazy

[lucid olive]

i got mega downvoted on reddit for saying "walmart always in need of new cashier" when someone was talking about "oh so you want Kanye to just never have a career now???"

[void jacinth]

reddit fell off ever since they banned me

[lucid olive]

the shit that kanye said publically is not something you should ever come back from

[void jacinth]

im gonna withdraw-all your seed ravec

[pseudo merlin]

[void jacinth]

im fertile

[pseudo merlin]

Are you treated with compost?

Or do I need to bring my own

[void jacinth]

bring pls

[drifting nova]

[dull dust]

what did I just read

[lucid olive]

theres a reason why Luds was put in the "horny" tier in our DG chatter tier list

[dull dust]

[drifting nova]

I sure hope my ONE myth piece tomorrow isnt useless

[red nymph]

fuck kanye

[stark meteor]

eclipsed on the bl pull dots, pulled aggro, died

feelsbad

[toxic pulsar]

That's insane actually

[pseudo merlin]

yeah I feel like it's not worth the contract

[drifting nova]

I wish I could buy magics

[pseudo merlin]

isnt the average contract value like 50k

[drifting nova]

having to downrank the contract is not it

[pseudo merlin]

ddude I'm shitting out magics and spirits

[dull dust]

bro

[tawny mirage]

are we starfalling on 2 targets now?

[drifting nova]

I dont do the magic seed bosses enough smh

[dull dust]

them dragonfruit better be bussing at that price

[lofty depot]

ye

[pseudo merlin]

real

I'm going to plant some irl

[tawny mirage]

bet

[pseudo merlin]

I fucking love dragonfruit

[dull dust]

[pseudo merlin]

every harvest yields likr 5.5k so you gotta harvest that thing 30x to break even

crazy

[dull dust]

vinters fighting a war on mages

bless your heart

[toxic pulsar]

From?

[urban hollow]

apologies if this has been answered already - does EC still spend touch the cosmos on starsuge in single target with the changes?

[toxic pulsar]

I've been on ToA grind and got a ton of magics from there

[drifting nova]

nvm its tiny

only 28

[pseudo merlin]

contracts

[red nymph]

does sild surges only count if your primary target is crit, or is any of the splash crist you get +2 asp

[toxic pulsar]

Yeah honestly kinda slacked since getting 99

[pseudo merlin]

im almost 16m i think

love me some farming

im just doing contracts for hespori, because all I get is kronos

[toxic pulsar]

Yeah I'm almost 18m but stopped since just getting stacks of supplies to last a good while

[lofty depot]

ayo that bigger no?

[calm tinsel]

how does balance feel this patch

[lofty depot]

uhh whens the last time u played

[calm tinsel]

mid patch of war within

[lofty depot]

uhh less ramp

kinda more builds to play

[calm tinsel]

fun?

[dull dust]

I typed random numbers in

I wonder if my sims wrong

[fair pasture]

Yes

[craggy sonnet]

depends on your definition

whens sim wrong?

[fair pasture]

Badompkin go pow

[dull dust]

0.252416

I was under

unlucky

[warm briar]

does 4set have an associated spell or ability that would show up in details? or am i tripping?

[unborn tulip]

you mean shooting stars?

[pseudo merlin]

I'm watching the latest episode of the The Bench

And they're talking about making "healthy icecream"

[lofty depot]

its the smaller shooting stars yes

[pseudo merlin]

and then the ingredients to healthy icecream are: kitkats & vanilla icecream

[warm briar]

Gotcha

[delicate perch]

Everything’s healthy when all they eat is Taco Bell and day old pizza

[lucid olive]

yeah just back to old value

[meager storm]

[dull dust]

stone whistle?

[lofty depot]

was the old value that

thought it was lower

[lucid olive]

nah was 253

[lofty depot]

ah

[dull dust]

we're huge

[pseudo merlin]

fair

[meager storm]

no idea what it is but its making barbed shot do a lot of dmg

this is a vorasius log

"they're summoning a toy under that boss that gives them free funnel and juiced barbed shots"

[placid frost]

why am i looking at hunter stuff in my balance disc lmao

[vital hound]

allat to do 120k

[meager storm]

it was on heroic tho surely they will get shot if people try it on mythic

[vital hound]

@delicate perch

[lofty depot]

the fuck u mean "my"

[meager storm]

it was on the bird boss

[vital hound]

i thought you were posting

your own hunter log for a second

[meager storm]

no man

is this me

[vital hound]

"sir shade just proc'd a second hunter"

[meager storm]

i got the hero crests achievement on my dh

dakd is rising

480 hero crests

[vital hound]

yea im currently converting myth crests on my druid for sheepfive

[meager storm]

i can get him up to 276

[vital hound]

[dense steeple]

oh yeah dak?

i considered taking shoulders

[meager storm]

perhaps

[past tide]

@slim iris

[dense steeple]

my steak is too juicy oh noo

[meager storm]

i feel like gaze is bugged, i have seen way too many of them

[dense steeple]

we havent seen any 🙁

[meager storm]

my guild got like 7 of them on vault last week

and i saw a couple get it this week too

[vital hound]

same with eye

[lucid olive]

of skovald?

[vital hound]

we've had one drop in raid but I think we have 10 equipped

[vital hound]

yep

[dense steeple]

just went through my guild log we got 3 total

[delicate perch]

Of kezan actually

[lucid olive]

not of agamotto?

[delicate perch]

Perhaps eye of command instead

[lucid olive]

what about eyephone?

[dense steeple]

eye of horus

👁️

[orchid leaf]

Eye of the tiger maybe?

[grim crater]

is anyone having issues online

[vital hound]

nope

[digital berry]

I AM FREE

[dense steeple]

lucky

[digital berry]

i got both of them god bless im done farming

[dense steeple]

yeah i have to keep farming because im not wasting 20 crests

[digital berry]

Such a boring dungeon holy fuck

Straight up micro napping

[dense steeple]

true

uhh

@lofty depot which boss talents do you use to sim

[fair mist]

no build changes with runing today for us right?

[lucid olive]

not really no

maybe a little less value on goldrinn for voidspire bosses

[dense steeple]

gamz what talent build do you sim with for optimal upgrade sims

[dull dust]

guys I made mage better

whoops

[dense steeple]

???

[vital hound]

just st 5minm

[dense steeple]

youre supposed to be making druid better

[dull dust]

I found a bug to abuse

[dense steeple]

yes, but all the bosses have weird ass hybrid talent builds and idk which one is the most ST

[dull dust]

I wonder what bugs we can abuse

[vital hound]

CYGA8cL7tpvige+kkmGM9zUPWDAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWoMbNjxMDMmFzMzMAzYWmZZYGzYjlZWmZmhZBDDwAssN2w0MzyIAAAAbMzMzgNjhxMAmZAgB

[dull dust]

do the funny build

[dense steeple]

thats just the beloren build

thanks

[vital hound]

i just copied my vorasius build lol

[vital hound]

CYGAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWoMbNjxMDwsYmZmBDDzyMbzwMzYhlZWmZMmZDDDwYZbmBjZbEYCAAAwiZmZmBbGzYMAAMzADA

[dull dust]

thats not funny that's sad

[surreal heron]

does goldrinn not show up as damage in details/logs? i keep looking for him but hes nowhere to be found

[dull dust]

hes in amerdrasil I think

[surreal heron]

poor guy hasn't seen the light of day in years

[versed hawk]

Enter Solar Eclipse whenever Starlord expires and you have any procs of Starweaver or Touch the Cosmos or you can overlap with Force of Nature

why is this part of the rotation

i dont get why you dont burn eclipse when you at cap

i understand the force of nature thing but sitting on eclipses doesnt seem like a good idea

[woven flint]

so even with the starfall buffs we still surge on 2 targets ?

[craggy sonnet]

its listed in the starsurge dropdown

[surreal heron]

ah thank you king

[lucid olive]

the idea is to spend AP at the end of Eclipse and then build up resources before entering Eclipse again

[versed hawk]

yeah i get that but why not just set it off at 120

or near cap

[slim iris]

Hello

[versed hawk]

feels weird to wait for solar eclipse

and stacks

[lucid olive]

youre not really waiting if you just use it after starlord falls off

but yeah wording needs to change

[slim iris]

@past tide why ping

[versed hawk]

okay thats what i thought

[lucid olive]

but also, read compendium

[past tide]

u know revolt?

[slim iris]

Oh uhhh

Fierce

Not really

They just asked me to play for them like 3 times over the years

Why

You leave room 40

?

40 deez nuts btw

Nvm

[past tide]

yea

oh i saw u guys had friends in common

i mean we were friends in common

lmao

[slim iris]

My dms were just a fucking mess when I turned on lfg

Byul played there for a bit

Ik they do 3 day now

[past tide]

ye

[slim iris]

Splits or nah

[vital hound]

we should be able to craft a third piece today aye

[dull dust]

can u read it to me like a bedtime story

[lucid olive]

no

[dull dust]

what about for a scooby snack

[summer plinth]

Hey guys, looking for some log review help on our recent Vorasius progress kill. I'm raid leading, so my focus is a bit split, but my performance feels off this tier. I know I need to work on my ABCs (Always Be Casting) and minimizing canceled casts, but I feel like I'm missing a major fundamental (Already know I'm missing a couple enchants and some gems, haven't had the flipping time to fix my gear whilst playing Guild HR all week 😭). Here are the logs: Vorasius Kill. Any advice or constructive roasting is super appreciated!

[dull dust]

bro can do a hyperlink and uses punctuation hes probably better then most this discord

we held trees for 2m

not ideal

[summer plinth]

Oh I wish I was! Ahah

[dull dust]

@lofty depot

lock in

[leaden birch]

p sure I know the answer, but I have myth chest and legs in vault, legs is the smarter pick right

better stats

[stark meteor]

sim it!!

[leaden birch]

yeah it's legs

but I haven't considered which is the smarter pick if there's an easy chest/legs that can be snagged from raid

[summer plinth]

Oh yep, don't honestly know why I did that 🤦🏻‍♂️

[dull dust]

holding a lot of ur cds for too long in general

eclipse etc

at a glance at lease

im on phone so hard to look at

[lofty depot]

BRUH I WAS SO FAR AHEAD