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meager storm
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i will do anything

pseudo merlin
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a legendary man?

dense steeple
pseudo merlin
craggy sonnet
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get heckin laser blasted to shits

normal pilot
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there's no way it's not a legendary glaive right

pseudo merlin
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lura is playing some poe build

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idk

pseudo merlin
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fucking new spec

lucid olive
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Legendary intellect glaive

dense steeple
normal pilot
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don't glaives auto swap primary

lucid olive
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But you have to do 4 weeks of random dogshit weeklies to finish it

lucid olive
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And spend 300k on AH for mats

dense steeple
pseudo merlin
lucid olive
pseudo merlin
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It just doesnt swap

normal pilot
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actually i bet it's not a glaive

pseudo merlin
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IT does nothing else

normal pilot
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it'll be 2 glaives since dw

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like the dragonsoul daggers

wild dune
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2 sword that splits into glaives

craggy sonnet
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extra action button just blasts the little shitters in a cone?

dense steeple
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anduin gives us his sword

wild dune
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2h**

pseudo merlin
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they havent pressed the EAB yet?

pseudo merlin
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am I blind

lucid olive
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Yeah they did

pseudo merlin
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oh

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oh I see

lucid olive
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The voidlings crawled towards them and Yipz just smacked em with the hammer

pseudo merlin
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It's basically the first swing of uhm

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the ret ability

wild dune
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wake of ashes

pseudo merlin
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that

lucid olive
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Yeah if only there was a ret player here

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Who could know

pseudo merlin
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🙂

wild dune
pseudo merlin
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Mained that spec for the past 4 years

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the moment I stop

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it's in RWF and not worthless dogshit

craggy sonnet
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that ret ability garf

pseudo merlin
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this game is unreal

lofty depot
dull dust
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reclear

pseudo merlin
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Best I can do is main it again and make it worse

craggy sonnet
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we already represented in the boss ability icons

normal pilot
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first secret phase mechanic lura splits into 20 with shared hp

lofty depot
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1m convoke so u get 2 uses in amp

craggy sonnet
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gotta be good enough

dull dust
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I hope illidan comes threw the ceiling with a rage boner and murders the windchime at the end

lucid olive
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With just a single spot of light in the middle with only room for 1 person

craggy sonnet
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is energy bar enrage or is this just an intermission

dull dust
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imagine a secret secret phase

pseudo merlin
dull dust
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man lowkey

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that would make my year

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absolutely blue ball em

pseudo merlin
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The secret secret phase is being ported back in time and having to do the whole fight again

dull dust
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but with a extra affix

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lura +

pseudo merlin
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Yeah you now get xalatath to spawn a bunch of balls you need to soak

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and every time you soak

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you need to get dispelled

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and the dispell puts a slow on you

jolly delta
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Bro you dont get it

pseudo merlin
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Anyone know if the .7 boss is random

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or in any way related

jolly delta
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The secret phase ports you to shadowlands

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And you have to do torghast

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To save sylvanas

pseudo merlin
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😮

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that would explain her coming back at the end

dull dust
jolly delta
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what is usually the canon version btw?

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usually it's the mythic one right

lucid olive
digital berry
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I thought it was heroic

pseudo merlin
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gamz trolling or

lucid olive
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Raid is called Sporefall I think?

pseudo merlin
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ah ok

lucid olive
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No lol they already announced that shit weeks ago

jolly delta
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I really hope they do one raid per patch

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raidslop

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take a mob make it big put it in an arena

pseudo merlin
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lmao the dmg meter

jolly delta
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New Raids in Patch 12.0.7 and Patch 12.0.5

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The first raid, coming in Patch 12.0.7

pseudo merlin
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wait

unique remnant
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Ribbon or Gaze?

pseudo merlin
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it says first raid in .7

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but there's 1 in .7 and .5

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oh what vinter s aid

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what

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also i had no idea there was two

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oh no hold on

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the second one is 12.1.5

jolly delta
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i think there is a typo

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yeah

delicate perch
pseudo merlin
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what if its

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hear me out

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a legendary bow

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Shadori'dal

delicate perch
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you've convinced me, 2h str weapon

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never done before

dull dust
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its gunna be a mage legendary

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sorry boys

pseudo merlin
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maybe just drop xala'tath again

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and have it have no stats

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no proc

dull dust
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put her back in the dagger

pseudo merlin
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just +60% to PL

dull dust
digital berry
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We all know if anything it’d be a dh leggo

lofty depot
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It's gonna be an agi staff

pseudo merlin
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the legendary axe cured me

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I never want a legendary again

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im good

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🙂

dull dust
digital berry
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Wasn’t that shit expensive as fuck to craft

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Maybe I don’t want a leggo

wild dune
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yea

dull dust
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actually when was the last caster legendary

wild dune
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And multiple week timegate

wild dune
digital berry
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Erm

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Technically

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Evoker ?

dull dust
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int dagger would cover every caster right?

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or can one not use

wild dune
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ew man evoker doesn't count

delicate perch
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think all dps casters can use ya

pseudo merlin
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and it took

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12 weeks to get

delicate perch
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just simply don't get it early

pseudo merlin
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and you were WORTHLESS before you had it

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🙂

digital berry
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I’m so broke I don’t even know how to make money in this damn game

delicate perch
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cost me like 150k on alt

dull dust
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took me 1 lfr run

pseudo merlin
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boost?

dull dust
delicate perch
pseudo merlin
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All my friends are like

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crafting 2 things a day for 50k

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or something

pseudo merlin
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idk

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apparently professions are easy

digital berry
lofty depot
dull dust
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idk but fuck em

lofty depot
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Sheeeesh

wild dune
dull dust
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dvoker just had one and devourer is brand new

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they got their cake

lofty depot
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Yea evoker was brand new and got a Lego staff

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So naturally warglaive is the legendary

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Oo that's gonna suck when people double crafted warglaives

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Wasted sparks smh

dull dust
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if it works like the evoker one

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u might still not get it for another 2 months

lofty depot
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Real

dull dust
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doubt it matters

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some people it took what like

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27 blp?

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or like 4 months

meager storm
dull dust
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cant preists not use swords

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or shamans

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wait can we even use swords

meager storm
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"we" do u even have a boomy at max lvl

dull dust
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I do

meager storm
dull dust
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but i made a staff

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and everything else is worthless so I dont look

meager storm
dense steeple
dull dust
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well go get them

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u can prob solo the bosses now

dense steeple
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cant solo them

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im still only 80 on them

meager storm
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@dull dust i lied devourer can use daggers too

spice roost
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even login screen knows whats up lol

dense steeple
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i gotta level them and get them ilvl before i can solo

dull dust
dense steeple
lofty depot
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Rogues but they're ass

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Actually, they're playing sub tehe

meager storm
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i lied again, i was on my boomy when i checked if i could wear daggers

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devourer doesnt use daggers

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they can use axes tho

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aga for some reason they cant use daggers like what

dull dust
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int axes pog

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like 5 specs

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er 4

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wait can evoker use axes

meager storm
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maybe since its the first tier and they want all the new casuals to enjoy it they make it like some legendary boots or something

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but im hoping for glaive or int weapon

lofty depot
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Actually Sylvanus came back so it's a dagger

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For rogues again

spice roost
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would be funny if it was a int mace

lofty depot
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Ha liquid seen secret phase since they got there the first time

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Why is this fuck still alive

fiery kindle
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echo will win this

fiery kindle
lucid olive
meager storm
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last phase is cinema

pseudo merlin
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Lura just Kamehamehas

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and you gotta run

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while EABing the ads

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and spreading kyveza

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giggety

lucid olive
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500% dmg amp so it's basically 20% of the boss HP you gotta do while kiting big ass beam and using extra action button on mobs coming

exotic perch
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yeah the hard part now

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is figuring out like 2% more dmg before then

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cause they need to not get that 2nd cast at the end of the fight

pseudo merlin
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my favorite part is how we get to watch a different boss than we will ever play

lofty depot
pseudo merlin
fiery kindle
maiden pasture
pseudo merlin
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why are we stalking

lofty depot
pseudo merlin
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?

fiery kindle
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I wish it were mine

lofty depot
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i trolled my vault and got a mythic trinket

maiden pasture
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the extra action button kills the animals walking towards u, theres a big ass targeted laser u gotta astro run from

pseudo merlin
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@drifting nova

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my grape farming is going insanely well

fiery kindle
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It was a bad vault for me

true viper
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@delicate perch U get anything good from vault

dreamy cove
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anyone know how to show friendly names only in raid I see it on some streams

delicate perch
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next week for sure...

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hbu

true viper
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nah

wintry basin
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Question - Should you continue to SF/SS even when not in eclipse or wait to be in eclipse then build up SL?

spice roost
spice roost
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lol

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the pin is so good i just saw it

digital berry
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You can also use asp for movement ofc outside of eclipses

pseudo merlin
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L'ura purple chandelier紫色枝形吊灯 must kick fast like Bruce Lee必须像李小龙一样快速踢击 golden seeds precious cargo黄金种子珍贵货物 men with shapes follow map有形状的人遵循地图 Claude Code is 21st man克劳德代码是第2人

delicate perch
pseudo merlin
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wont be long

stiff holly
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In aoe do you spam all astral power on star fall? Does the damage stack if I cast multiple back to back

amber wraith
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with ec is getting an extra incarn with lust or stare more value

exotic perch
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butif you are playing convoke you should hold it

amber wraith
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looking at it for m pally prog, some people are using 2 with lust on 2nd foe but you lose a incarn+trinket combo later if you do that other people are holding 2nd incarn for 1.5 idk what sim says is better

red nymph
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so now that the secret phase is known, they can totally nerf this boss so we can see more of it 😄

lofty depot
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so u just bing chill til after

amber wraith
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ye thats what ive been doing too seems to work out just wasnt sure about 2nd

lofty depot
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i slam during lust

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i havent decided if slamming a eclipse prior is better

fiery veldt
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do yall use haste flask or mastery for keys? curious

lofty depot
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meh just slam mastery

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might start using crit

fiery veldt
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u still ec for keys?

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kinda sad raid stats are a little different

lofty depot
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theyre not different tbf

onyx ice
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I'm a new druid this season, used to play hunter. I've managed to tank up to +9 keys no issue as tank but I'm struggling in heroic raids as I have to dps. Would I be better off as balance or feral? Which is easier?

digital berry
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They are both easy afaik

onyx ice
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I've run balance mostly the past 2 weeks but I'm parsing low 30s on boomy

lofty depot
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have u read the guide

normal pilot
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feral prolly easier now + you don't need extra weapon

raven obsidian
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Hello everyone

digital berry
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hello

raven obsidian
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while trying to sim a feet for crafting i got this

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someone knows if it a bug ?

onyx ice
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Would anyone be able to look at a fight log and tell me what I'm doing wrong on balance?

lofty depot
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have u considered adding ilvl to the box or

digital berry
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Well you need to type an ilvl

fiery veldt
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@lofty depot ec and trees have different statst right?

lofty depot
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first and foremost

digital berry
lofty depot
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2nd

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u should be dotting well before 9 seconds

fiery veldt
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shit am i stupid and read wrong im doing haste mastery atm

digital berry
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You do what the robot tells you to do

fiery veldt
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true

digital berry
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Sim yourself and you’ll be fine

fiery veldt
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i am simming

onyx ice
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So it should be 3 wrath then dots then pop eclipse/incarn?

fiery veldt
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wats feral stats like? mebe i just ferales

digital berry
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No clue I’m not a degenerate

fiery veldt
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oof to ferals

onyx ice
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I know I need the more gems and enchants. Was waiting on heroic gear plus the weapon enchant is 30k

digital berry
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Tbh enchants and gems are so fucking pricey right now

onyx ice
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Also I'm having the balance feral crisis so I've been hesitant to commit lol

lofty depot
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ur sending cds on add phase and not killing ads

dull dust
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arctic what are u using for keys

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send me ec and kotg

lofty depot
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EC

dull dust
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like the string

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is it just the wowhead one

lofty depot
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uh

dull dust
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tabarnak

lofty depot
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CYGA8cL7tpvige+kkmGM9zUPWDAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWoMbNjxMDMmlZmZmBYGzyMLzsYmZsxyMLjZGjFMMAjttZGMmtRgJAAAALMzMzgNDMGAAmZgB

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idk random testing shit

onyx ice
# lofty depot

Which fight was that? I will work on better use of starsurge vs starfall

lofty depot
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vor

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sorry was doing a key

orchid willow
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are we using base cd tracker for eclipse uptime?

lofty depot
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why rnt u sending any surges after those

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idk ur jsut afk full asp for 10 seconds

lofty depot
orchid willow
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ok ty

onyx ice
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I wanna say I was out of place for the march coming through maybe?

lofty depot
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theres no march in vor

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its the circle boss

onyx ice
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Oh right, no clue then

lofty depot
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big dude at the edge of room and circles rolling at u

onyx ice
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Yeah gotcha. Not sure why I would have froze up. Maybe this week I'll try to use archon to record

lofty depot
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yea ur just afking

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not prepping for movement

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then afking

twin lotus
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man, why did they remove renewal

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Vanguard fight, i have 5k hps, a warrior has 17k, lock has 15k

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Bear is nice to avoid one-shots but our overall tankiness is gigagarbage

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I guess with kotg and two points on the talent we can perma have 16% healing taken increase

dull dust
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could be worse

jaunty blaze
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we went from fairly high up the healing meter to bottom

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rip vigil and renewal 🥀

royal zenith
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Hybrids out

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only real classes get to self-heal

glacial linden
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m+ are we starfalling on 2 targets or starsurging?

atomic mantle
delicate perch
twin lotus
obsidian fox
jaunty blaze
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there is a delve sim? sus

obsidian fox
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Damn I meant dungeons

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fixed it, thanks.

jaunty blaze
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hasnt been supported in ages

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if ever

obsidian fox
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I used to use it, many years ago, how do you sim dungeons now?

copper valve
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When should I be using both charges of Eclipse?

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I've been kidna slamming them off CD where it makes sense to to keep up with its uptime but is there merit to delaying it in specific cirucmstances where required (like for damage buffs if Incarn isn't ready)?

analog owl
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Currently got Vaelgores Final Stare, do people always hold it for incarnation or do you sometimes slam it with an eclipse to use it off cd as much as possible?

jaunty blaze
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always with incarn

ruby badger
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Other than that I find it's usually more to do with the fight rather than my rotation if I want to delay an eclipse

frank vine
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upon entering eclipse (solar or lunar) does spending your 3x spenders and getting 3 stacks of starlord have priority over casting fury of elune? and does this prio depend on whether youre playing EC or KOTG?

craggy sonnet
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but you probably just press it unless you'd overcap ap

frank vine
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thought fury of elune was pressed only before incarn, but during normal eclipse

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but thank you

craggy sonnet
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hmm, why?

jolly delta
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anyways

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this seems the kind of shit I would've created fake ads for

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during april 1st

rigid solstice
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Hello friends! As someone who's really enjoying Balance right now, what's the best to take/learn? Ellune's or Keeper of the Grove? I've always used Ellune's as it seems a bit more simpler. But, Keeper seems good too.

jolly delta
frank vine
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probably because i misinterpreted this

jolly delta
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Once you're more comfortable with the class take a look at dreamgrove.gg

frank vine
jolly delta
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KOTG is for sure slightly more complicated to play but it's also pretty much the only viable tree in raids

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If you want to play optimally

rigid solstice
frank vine
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evne though i know these are rotational details, i thought that you would use fury of elune during lunar eclipse and only before incarn

rigid solstice
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I was thinking about using KOTG, it might be a bit more complicated, but I think it's a good idea to learn it now than later as I'm just question in Open World and such

jolly delta
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But

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It's also difficult to convey the nuance of it

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Without bloating the prio list too much

frank vine
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yes of course, i completely understand you but thats why i came here to ask and make sure 😄

jolly delta
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Generally speaking you can use it the global before - or up to a few globals after - any eclipse

frank vine
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but dont i lose dmg since im not in an eclipse?

jolly delta
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after you pressed eclipse, not after it ended

frank vine
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aaaa right

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sorry, cant read lol

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so generally speaking before an eclipse i send FoE and then focus on spending my spenders and building those 3x starlord

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and from there just the generic rotation

jolly delta
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Well starlord is less of a focus now, you'll build it (mostly) naturally

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But yeah

lucid olive
# frank vine

Eh, using FoE on the global before Incarn is optimal if you have both available, if not then just default to sending FoE off cd

night oriole
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it's about delaying incarn until after FoE rather than delaying FoE until before incarn?

lucid olive
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Unless you happen to not have Lunation talented, then you just send to upkeep Atmospheric Exposure before using Eclipse/Incarn

lucid olive
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Incarn with EC has only trinket as anchor, other than that you can send CDs on where you feel like it's needed

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So you kinda want it to line up with a fresh FoE

frank vine
night oriole
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My understanding was send FoE on CD and shift your eclipses/Incarn around to arrive at the "FoE right before eclipse" goal, but I am not a pro

lucid olive
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Just don't overthink it

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It's good to have dmg buff from Atmos Exposure in Incarn but you shouldn't hold either spell if it means a bad line-up in the fight

jolly delta
frank vine
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absolutely, thank you everyone, always a lovely informative chat in here

jolly delta
frank vine
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i never knew of this, much obliged

restive wadi
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If we craft weapon with hunter embellishment, what’s a good second embellishment piece?

copper valve
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TIl there's an actual opening for the rotation and that I've been palyign it wrong

craggy sonnet
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if you play sundered firmament, you have atmos expsure during incarn anyways

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though i still dont have any clue if we play lunation or not

copper valve
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Omg I'm such a scrub actually. MFW I've been doing Moonfire > Sunfire > Purification Beam > Incarn > spendOMEGALOOOOOOL

royal zenith
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purification beam

craggy sonnet
copper valve
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Nah like, the first few seconds after the precasts

craggy sonnet
copper valve
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Because WowHead does 3x Wrath precast > Moonfire > Sunfire > Eclipse > Surge > FoE > CDs

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I've effectively skipped the Eclipse and the Surges

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And went straight into 3x Wrath > Moonfire > Sunfire > FoE > CDs

craggy sonnet
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ah, well .. ye

copper valve
craggy sonnet
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i thought this wasnt recommended in the guides anymore

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but going into ecl and spending all three apex stacks on spenders and then building again for the foe incarn is technically better

copper valve
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It's supposed to be taken out? OMEGALOOOOOOL

craggy sonnet
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uhhm

jaunty blaze
jolly delta
jaunty blaze
delicate perch
copper valve
drifting nova
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wait...dh can cast while moving?

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chicken died for that

lucid olive
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their hardest hitting spell has full moon length cast time

drifting nova
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pepperridge farm remembers when we had that

lucid olive
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and goes on like a 5 sec cd if you cancel it accidentally

drifting nova
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I messed up, I used my lockboxes early

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I blew them too early

royal zenith
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Bamkin really is good guys, trust me!!

lucid olive
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what cope

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i never said one was better than the other

drifting nova
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I've wanted forever

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for owlkin frenzy to not be dog

sonic surge
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what the fuck is this graphic on me for beloren/bird boss

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it made me think i was light feather

lofty depot
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But ur purple

sonic surge
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my first time doing it on normal

lofty depot
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Did u watch a video prior

sonic surge
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i thought i was in lightmode just looking kinda purple because of boomie form

lofty depot
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There's also a m33kkaura someone made so it shows icon

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But nonetheless, ur purple

sonic surge
lofty depot
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Rle presumably in the channel

sonic surge
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this channel?

lofty depot
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I don't have link

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Rle is a discord, raid lead exchange

lucid olive
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its first hit

junior thicket
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man those top guilds cooking addons that are basically weakauras

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but we cant have ui

drifting nova
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surely blizz will ban them all

arctic ruin
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I was watching a high key balance video and saw this kick timer. Anyone know what it is?

sonic surge
lucid olive
lucid olive
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but it is incredibly inconsistent unless all party members are using it

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so I wouldn't really use it unless you're in an organized group

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i guess you could use it if you enjoy the extra visual noise on your screen though

quaint minnow
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Hi guys, do you know how I can import my DungeonRoutes from MDT ? I had plenty errors in it. Can I use Patchwerk with 5+ boss 1min ?

lucid olive
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You can't export SimC strings from the MDT addon anymore since Weakauras don't exist

quaint minnow
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Damn, Im stupid aha

lucid olive
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You can however make a route (or import a route string from the MDT addon) on keystone.guru website

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and then choose the simulate option on keystone.guru and then copy the strings into the right expert mode part on raidbots

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It is currently not recommended to sim dungeonroute at all though since the AoE APL is lacking, you're better off just slamming 1 target 5 minute Patchwerk

quaint minnow
arctic ruin
lucid olive
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since it refreshes on the "interrupted - charactername" event on the nameplate cast bar

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but if someone else also has the addon it refreshes on them pressing the button and then communicates it to other addons somehow through chat message workarounds

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not 100% sure on how they make them communicate with each other but i think it's something like that

edgy quarry
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how do u play this on dragons MM ? u target add or bosses ?

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thanks by advance 🙂

lofty depot
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Well it's for padding on adds

lucid olive
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its for funnel

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use 1 mushroom on pull to get it on CD and then slam all 3 charges on the voidorbs

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thats 60 AP in 3 instant casts

royal zenith
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damn that's at least 1 starfall

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insane funnel

edgy quarry
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so you want to put it just before adds targetting the boss ?

lucid olive
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yeah crazy

edgy quarry
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and then full starfall ?

lucid olive
edgy quarry
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Yes

lucid olive
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pool AP before the mechanic starts, and when the circles start you treants+incarn and dump starfall, then target the orb that the other orbs are getting gripped to

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and just slam all 3 charges

edgy quarry
#

ok i see ... i have to be fast

lucid olive
#

not fast, just decisive and confident

#

also need to Wild Charge out of the tether that happens right as the voidorbs get gripped

#

but you can use instant casts during Wild Charge animation so it shouldn't lose you any uptime

edgy quarry
#

ok ! Just got difficulties sometimes to target adds to be honnest buttt you are right just need to be decisive

#

thank you very much ! 🙂

craggy sonnet
lucid olive
#

grr blizzard bad

craggy sonnet
#

That's what I said

round field
wispy parrot
#

@lucid olive is total eclipse this bad that noone uses? or the other node just better?

lucid olive
#

dogshit talent

edgy quarry
#

just kill it ^^' Tried my best with those

#

Need some practice

lean knoll
#

Anyone use AyijeCDM and notice it doesn't show procs correctly all the time?

Starweaver procs sometimes don't show at all (but I can see the buff, just the bar doesnt glow)

The instant cast on eclipse also sometimes only shows Starsurge but not wrath as well.

royal dragon
#

Hey where is the best place to see balance rotations for raid and M+ also for talent trees

royal dragon
obsidian fjord
lucid olive
#

should go ask in there

#

I haven't had that issue at all so I suspect there is something wrong on your end

wispy yew
#

Hey guys. 🙂 guardian Druid here, tired of tanking high keys and I’m trying to learn balance, but, I’m so inconsistent. I feel like I have the rotation down , but I’m just not doing the numbers. 268ilvl and still 60k on single target and around 100k on 5 enemy packs, maybe a little more dps If a little more is pulled. But I can’t help but feel like I’m missing something here. Using incarnation and elunes fury, not convoke or the little trees lol. Is there a way to log mythic runs and post them so someone intelligent can tell me I’m dumb? 🤣🤣🤣

analog moat
wispy yew
#

And I don’t feel like I’m missing anything. I’m sure I can smack fury of elune off CD better cause sometimes it does sit for a second or 2, but not a long time?

#

I just watched an insta video of a girl on a +15 hitting 850k in the big AA pull and I’m like. Wow. I do 120k there

analog moat
#

Yeah, I feel like I'm doing my CD's well.

#

That depends on your group.

pseudo merlin
analog moat
#

10s, stuiff is dying quickly enough you won't burst that high.

lucid olive
analog moat
#

And also what you have in the group.

wispy yew
pseudo merlin
#

gonne need some logs then

lucid olive
#

"oh the content too low for my spec to do damage"

pseudo merlin
#

ramp spec cant ramp 🙁

#

damnit ret paladins

wispy yew
lucid olive
#

I did like 650k on first pull Algethar in a 10, with an enhance shaman bursting for 1m dps

analog moat
#

Yeah but like, I have a dev evoker, a ret pally and a DH tank pulling above 100k dps, stuff in 10s dies in like 5 seconds.

lucid olive
#

If stuff dies before you can finish your "ramp"

#

then ramp faster

analog moat
#

I mean you're not wrong though.

wispy yew
#

When I’m in my big juicer groups with my friends shit does die super quick and that hurts my damage, but when I play with people that do similar bad dps like me, I still do bad dps.

lucid olive
#

be more proactive

wispy yew
#

It doesn’t feel like the length of pull is mattering to my DPS. lol

analog moat
#

I spend a lot of time moonfiring every mob.

lucid olive
#

Follow right behind the tank, watch what mobs his character model is throwing stuff on, start dotting those mobs

#

Stop Moonfiring on mobs when they're stacked and just start doing dam instead

analog moat
#

Fair.

lucid olive
#

If you're doing it right then all mobs should have Moonfire on them when the tank has stacked them up because you apply dots to them as soon as they're in combat

#

And as long as you follow close to the tank it doesn't matter if you rip threat cause you can just kite it thru the tank

dense steeple
#

(Ignore dotting the shitter nonelites that die in 3 seconds)

lucid olive
#

And if the tank flames you for ripping threat then play with better players

wispy yew
#

So, some clarification. With incarnation, AND the talent where it’s only lunar bean. When I have fury of elune up, and one of those available, with no eclipse currently popped, I cast fury of elune first, then I hit EITHER incarnation, or eclipse, correct?

lucid olive
#

just be proactive

lucid olive
#

you press Fury of Elune off cooldown

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And you press Eclipse/Incarn when it makes sense in the pull and don't really care much about other cooldowns for it

analog moat
lucid olive
#

in an applied scenario at least

wispy yew
normal pilot
#

just log a key and come back. stuff like specific spell ordering doesn't make that much difference

lucid olive
#

but you can definitely keep up with a DH tank if you're being proactive

#

cat form, dash, roar, human form wild charge, cat form wild charge, flap etc

#

you have so many movement tools you can use to keep up with him

normal pilot
#

if you're struggling that much then you're prolly doing something wrong without realizing what you're doing wrong and there's no way to diagnose that without logs

round field
#

if you dont do dmg ur doing something very wrong so dont assume you have the rotation down

#

acceptance is the first step to improvement

wispy yew
lucid olive
#

A lot of people come in here going "I have mastered the Moonkin rotation, but I still do bad dmg because the adds die too slow"

wispy yew
#

Post ^

lucid olive
#

and thats the biggest copout ever

wispy yew
digital berry
lucid olive
analog moat
#

My dps tanks when we start a big pull that lasts a while but there's only a few mobs alive at the end, like 2-3 but they are beefy guys.

#

I may burst for 400k but I'll end the pull at like 100k.

#

My other issue is not pressing incarn enough cause I feel like I should keep a charge for bosses.

digital berry
#

what key levels are we talking about

lucid olive
analog moat
#

I'm personally doing 12-13s with my group and doing 70-90k overall.

lucid olive
#

Ideally you want to press your Incarn around whatever on-use trinket

digital berry
#

yeah unless you play with pumpers that does seem like a low range for your overall

lucid olive
analog moat
#

Huh, I actually parsed a 96 on this run. Oh, my evoker was aug though so that probably skews it.

lucid olive
#

m+ parses are fake

#

numbers mean nothing

wispy yew
lucid olive
#

Pull has 10 mobs

#

That's 3 times too many

analog moat
#

Yeah, I def overdot.

lucid olive
#

If you're at 2 charges of Eclipse you should definitely just press Eclipse before starting to dot

#

If you spend 10 seconds dotting mobs then you have basically lost 0 uptime on Eclipse by pressing Incarn after

#

theres also multi second gap between them

#

makes me think that

  1. you're being slow starting to dot and not proactively following the tank
  2. you get lost and randomly LOS yourself
  3. you either have shit nameplates or you're just bad at hitting them
wispy yew
#

Mines druidikaa on Dalaran server

analog moat
#

Default plates, I need to get platynator.

wispy yew
#

I have some logs it looks like from other people probably. It still has my rating as like 1800 and it’s 2300 now lol. I’ll log and post my own later today.

lucid olive
#

idk I just use same Plater profile I've always used

#

multi second gap between dots

analog moat
#

Oh? I'm surprised that works still. I nuked all my old addons.

lucid olive
#

why are you surprised that works

analog moat
#

So on those, it's me trying to dot as my tank pulls, like you said. But I'm behind him so I'm running to catch up.

lucid olive
#

you can't use the scripts that automate anything but Plater is just a regular nameplate skinner addon

#

they all work, they are just more dogshit than before because that was easier than improving the base UI

lofty depot
#

Which means u sat with 2 charges for 1 of said 3 minutes

lucid olive
#

idk this is like an 18 second window where you're not really doing much

#

taking forever to dot and then using FoE after your Eclipse

#

remember that every Moonfire cast while FoE is ready is also wasting Lunation value

analog moat
lucid olive
#

entered Eclipse on Derelict duo and then AFKd

#

here you're busy building a house or something

drifting nova
#

derelict what now

copper valve
#

The PUdge + Banshee boss

lucid olive
#

2target boss in Windrunner Spire

copper valve
#

Pudge?

#

Abomination

lucid olive
#

entered Eclipse then AFKd

lofty depot
lucid olive
#

4 Sunfire casts in 15 seconds

analog moat
#

So better dot usage, less time casting dots when mobs are grouped, don't waste charges, more time casting.

lucid olive
#

yeah

#

but also just stop overthinking

#

the whole rotation for Moonkin is just
Enter Eclipse with resources -> Spend resources end of Eclipse -> Pool resources for next Eclipse

#

rinse and repeat

#

Cause where you lose your most damage is from pressing Eclipse

#

Spending once

#

being out of AP

#

then being caught out from mechanic

#

that's why there are multi second gaps

analog moat
#

That's a good tip.

lucid olive
#

That's what I meant earlier when I said you should be proactive

#

Being proactive means to prepare for what you know is coming next

#

Compared to being reactive

#

Which is just letting shit happen and then improvising

#

You can not play Moonkin reactively and consistently do well, it is inherently a proactive spec

#

It's also small stuff like

#

You used Wild Charge 1 time

#

30 minute key

lofty depot
#

2*

lucid olive
#

Oh, 3, I looked at the travel form one

#

that is still abysmally low

lofty depot
#

Yea that doesn't count tho

lucid olive
#

I use probably like 6 Wild Charges just from travel form

analog moat
#

Yeah.

lucid olive
#

Even the way you start the key in Cat Form

#

Just go travel form instead

lofty depot
#

The gaps while moving and doing nothing are from u not playing around he 1 movement ability

#

Then not having asp

analog moat
#

Yeah Gamz mentioned that as well.

lofty depot
#

But also, if that ever happens the absolute worst thing is being afk. At the very least could've sent moonfires for lunation cdr

lucid olive
#

but like

#

you are one of the most mobile classes in the game

lofty depot
#

👀

lucid olive
#

it's not hard to just sprint in at the start and keep up with the tank

analog moat
lucid olive
#

ayijecdm addon

#

and yeah get a better UI

#

you can play well with dogshit UI its just a lot worse

#

anyway I have raid in an hour and I haven't had food yet today

#

appreciate the chat

analog moat
#

Thanks for your help!

nimble tangle
#

We don’t need to dot all mobs?

lofty depot
#

Can u try that again

#

But in english

nimble tangle
#

I play 15+ keys, mobs live for more than one minute anyway

gentle cove
#

If I have an Eclipse (will overcap during incarn) and I'm going to overcap on incarn / am at 2 charges, should I Eclipse -> spend the ascendent Eclipse stacks -> incarn ? Or just straight into incarn

lofty depot
#

Are we talking in raid or m+

gentle cove
lofty depot
#

And are we talking context of a pack that is gonna live that length of time

#

In aoe it seems better to eclipse and spend stacka

gentle cove
craggy sonnet
#

i think generally you'd wanna avoid overcapping

lofty depot
#

Then yea prefer to send eclipse prior

craggy sonnet
#

if you have enough leeway on your incarn cd, that might mean to just delay your incarn further

gentle cove
craggy sonnet
#

and play out the eclipse first

lofty depot
#

The free spell is fake as fuck

#

U like the 20% inc to Starfall

gentle cove
#

Fire okay

lofty depot
#

U also don't foe until prior to incarn

#

I see some people sending with eclipse in that scenario

craggy sonnet
#

unless it is a situation in which you want to/have to use your big burst, then i would go eclipse, spend the ascendant spender stacks and then build ap to incarn

lofty depot
#

The Starfire + foe should get you to 1 Starfall in incarn

#

In that sequence

gentle cove
#

Solid appreciate it

royal dragon
#

Would u wanna play starweaver or rattle the stars in M+?

analog moat
#

Is there a way to track starlord duration/stacks?

craggy sonnet
analog moat
#

Yup, sure does, I'm blind.

lofty depot
quick pollen
lofty depot
#

Keys so low it's doesn't actually matter yet

craggy sonnet
#

eh, doubt that weaver is better in ST

quick pollen
#

i said might

royal dragon
#

Cool thank u

lofty depot
#

U said overall rattle better

wild dune
quick pollen
#

well hey if im wrong them in wrong 🙂

wild dune
#

weak

quick pollen
#

are yall usin starweaver over rattle?

lofty depot
#

Yea

wild dune
#

yes

lofty depot
#

But that's cuz I cba and am bored

quick pollen
#

hmm, ill give it another shot then. didnt work well for me when i tried it for a bit

wild dune
#

shiny light procs keep brain engaged

#

thus i play better

lofty depot
#

Mmmhm mmhm

quick pollen
#

i do like much longer solstice uptime from free procs tho

craggy sonnet
#

ec does get some additional solstice uptime from star cascade fwiw

lofty depot
#

Bring back cascade giving stellar amp

craggy sonnet
#

(which also benefits from rattle coincidentally)

#

true

#

and real

lofty depot
#

Ec would be giga

lucid olive
lofty depot
#

Yes

lucid olive
#

Don't need more "gain random dogshit buff from Starfire" talents

lofty depot
#

It's not dog shit what the helly

lucid olive
#

You agree with me on that you're just too stupid to see it until it happens

lofty depot
#

Well I agree with already, I'm just trolling tho

copper gate
#

I want them to buff Starfall by 300% so that our entire rotation is moonfire star fire + builder and Starfall

Am I asking too much here

lofty depot
#

Yes

copper gate
#

Damn alright

lofty depot
#

Ur lucky it got buffed back up 16%

copper gate
#

I bribed a dev wdym lucky

#

You should all thank me…

lofty depot
#

Little rat fucks like "we can't have boomkin be good at 1 fight like undermine so nerf those rats Starfall"

copper gate
thorn nebula
#

Meanwhile Hunter good on every fight no meaningful nerfs 5-head

lofty depot
#

Very head scratchy

#

Preferably they nuke MM

sleek sandal
#

does any1 knows the best talents for burst? I want to do Belo'Ren with the cheesy strat

craggy sonnet
#

it was all a pretty bumpy rollercoaster ride

craggy sonnet
#

hunter was good .. then they nerfed it to shits, then they buffed it to shits

lofty depot
#

Or keeper convoke

sleek sandal
craggy sonnet
#

i think almost none of the projected specs are actually the ones that are now dominating across roles *in raid

lofty depot
#

U mean to tell me Sims are fake

#

What the helly

lucid olive
#

they also buffed like every spec by 15-20% right as the raid released

#

lot of why Voidspire was as easy can be chalked up to that

#

then they giga buffed Quel'danas last week

craggy sonnet
copper gate
#

Question regarding TWW specifically in a mythic setting

Was the rotation of the spec easiest in S1, S2 or S3? Did it vary much at all?

lucid olive
#

never changed

#

played EC and pressed Starfire perma for 3 seasons

#

same shit you do now only Eclipse is a button this time

craggy sonnet
#

mythic or m+

lucid olive
#

Oh well, I see season and assume M+

#

For raid the only change was Season 3 tier set

craggy sonnet
#

yeah, wasnt sure what he meant

#

s3 definitely had the most punishing timing things

#

in raid

lofty depot
#

Gamz forgets that OS was played for the first 2 weeks of queen tier

#

And then we had to start doing mental gymnastics

lucid olive
#

for me it was 8 weeks

lofty depot
#

True I did comeback late

lucid olive
#

Also he asked if rotation changed

#

and it didn't

#

You don't have different rotation just cause you talent into OS

#

You still press CA/Incarn right after Treants

#

or whenever you fucking feel like in m+ with EC

#

Think the only difference after 11.0.5 was the Dreamstate change

#

making it way less cringe to play around

grim hull
#

i am having trouble understanding how starweaver plays in reality using the keeper m+ build. Is it correct to just always use starfall in bigger aoe and not alternate with surge until it is like 2 or 3 cleave or whats the point with using it?

craggy sonnet
#

when you say alternate, you mean if you get a proc?

grim hull
#

yes, f.e. i fight the whole first plattform in spire. I use starfall but surge proccs

#

i would not have used surge for more starfalls then

craggy sonnet
#

if so, yeah .. i have no clue at which target count it is not worth doing anymore (it does provide decent prio damage tho, to upkeep stellar amp with the free surge procs)

grim hull
#

but it confuses me a little bit

#

thank you

craggy sonnet
#

just to clarify, i did not say you should use surge there

lofty depot
#

Should use those procs as long as ur not capped on asp

craggy sonnet
#

but just that i am not sure where the cutoff is

lofty depot
#

Surge better than starfire aurely

solar patrol
#

It doesn't seem to track at all for me with Plater, do you know if there's some setting I have to tick in for it? I see mushroom debuff, coil etc when it pops up

grim hull
#

what is asp?

ruby badger
#

astral power

grim hull
#

astral power?

#

thanks

#

so i would use surge with a starweaver procc while fighting 10 targets but not over starfall, only over starfire if i would not be able to starfall?

solar patrol
drifting nova
ruby badger
#

Your 4 set means using a free spender in AoE is still pretty good, even if it's starsurge

lofty depot
grim hull
#

ok thank you

#

are we talking about this section?

obsidian fox
lofty depot
solar patrol
# grim hull

I'm also confused about this section - do we just straight up overcap astral power in AOE if we're fighting 2 targets and they both have stellar amp up?

#

Surely not?

#

Cause there's no "If you're about to overcap on 2 targets" for starsurge KEKW

proper mica
#

I am loving balance but I feel like I have the world’s worst trinkets. So many dungeons and raids for no drops

#

I am 269 and still rocking trinkets from preseason

grim hull
#

i think it is because it is the aoe section and you would just use starfall to not overcap then

solar patrol
#

Ah

craggy sonnet
#

i think what was intended is that you use starsurge on 2t always

#

if you have stellar amp

solar patrol
#

Oh ye below it says starsurge 2 targets KEKW

craggy sonnet
#

and target swap

proper mica
#

Star surge on dragons over starfall?

solar patrol
#

But still, I can't find how to track it on nameplates. I have all the options enabled in options I'd assume are needed but stellar amp is still not showing on nameplates

craggy sonnet
#

you cant

#

track it on nameplates

solar patrol
#

Oh

#

Gamz fake newsing NotLikeThis

#

So in Maisara Caverns for example, you'd just have to alternate starsurges then between the two

craggy sonnet
#

gamz linked you to his correction

#

that he thought you said unitframes

#

or boss frames

#

or whatever

dull dust
#

I like the gamz fake news narritive

solar patrol
proper mica
#

Are you actually able to get 285 dark moon cards?

lofty depot
#

If u wanna use sparks I suppose (u shouldn't)

digital berry
#

surely lura dies today

#

11% from echo

stiff basalt
#

does starfall buff change prio on 2 targets ?

lofty depot
#

Ye

stiff basalt
#

alright thanks thanks

#

got scared and took a look at the pins

royal zenith
#

and it scared you even more?

stiff basalt
#

nah I'm alright

#

i mean Tettles is scary good looking but

lean knoll
#

Any suggestions for AyijeCDM profile? ❤️ edit: and where to find them?

copper gate
#

Atrocity

analog moat
digital berry
#

gamz has a pretty good one

#

in his UI pack

lofty depot
#

Bear druid back on the menu

exotic perch
#

big dam

dull dust
#

any druid but the chicken

royal zenith
#

natural selection

exotic perch
#

watch the one change from bdk to bear is gonna be like 2% boss dam

royal zenith
#

stinky bears

exotic perch
#

lmao literally

#

that was so much cleaner

royal zenith
#

pre-P4 you meant

#

I hope

dull dust
#

how do people play dk

#

imagine spamin grip when u could be padding

#

sad life

fair pasture
#

They need to allow those back attachments like the murloc in a backpack while in all forms

fading crest
#

Would you guys go for mythic gloves or mythic 289 staff?

river stirrup
#

If you haven't crafted wep?

brittle spire
fading crest
#

I got crafted weapon like pretty much everyone, just doesnt look like in high end staff would be bis compared to crafted off hand and 289 main hand

river stirrup
#

If you dont have myth gloves and you crafted wep, I'd go with the gloves

#

taking wep when you crafted one this early feels awful

vital hound
#

staff sucks

#

crafted 2h is giga strong until crafted oh + 289 mh

brittle spire
#

is the nexus ring set piece good?

vital hound
#

ya

#

well the rings are good together

#

the set bonus is whatever

brittle spire
#

but dont we want masetry]

#

sorry typo

#

dont we boomys want mastery and then haste/crit?

vital hound
#

yea but other stats are good in moderation

#

stats are like vegetables

#

its good to have lots of some, but you gotta have a complete meal

brittle spire
#

i did a small mistake i gotta be honest, i crafgted a ring, which ill recraft with hero crests

vital hound
#

dont waste ya hero crests

brittle spire
vital hound
#

r4 as well

brittle spire
#

but then wont i have finished a sloit?

vital hound
#

use myth crests

brittle spire
#

if i recraft wont i get r5?

#

oh ok

red nymph
dense steeple
#

the rank you get is determiend by the crafters skill

brittle spire
#

yea ill find someone

#

alright ty

lofty depot
#

Crafted a ring without crests and didn't get r5

#

That's crazy

brittle spire
#

i didnt put crests

lofty depot
#

Yea ik

red nymph
#

just a waste of gold really

lofty depot
#

Meh, not if u need ilvl

#

I did same on devdh

#

Then recrafted with myth creats

fickle pier
#

Cant wait to 2t sf soon surely

lofty depot
#

But idk if the play has ever been, craft ring this early

#

Tragic really

lofty depot
fickle pier
#

Ya true

#

But doing correct priority too engrained

lofty depot
#

So suddenly tomorrow the new priority will be engrained

#

Gamer

vital hound
lofty depot
#

Ye

#

Hard enough farming myth crests, can't get into groups under 260 ilvl

vital hound
#

buy a saved heroic run for vault

#

600k ezpz

lofty depot
#

600k 👀

#

Or my guild could show up for fun alt raid and we wouldn't have to

vital hound
#

yea just cause last day of week

#

why not angle

lofty depot
#

Only thing remotely of value I could get is gaze or vaelfor

#

Everything else I can just guild group farm 10s

vital hound
#

ye true

lofty depot
#

And it's devdh so I do 100k for free

vital hound
#

i figured

#

why not angle

#

for 600k

lofty depot
#

Some of us are poor

vital hound
royal zenith
#

I want to play my devdh

#

but after 3 levels

#

Im already destroyed, mentally

#

wtb boosts, Ill pay 60 eu blizzard

meager storm
#

its ok wait for the legendary glaive

lofty depot
#

Just play veng and spam shadow point

#

Ezpz

#

And yea, legendary glaive is coming surely

dull dust
#

ezpz he says

#

that shit made me wanna get a lobotomy

lofty depot
#

It's quite literally so free

#

Brain off, watch rwf

#

Vibe

dull dust
#

rwf gunna end before I get home

#

unlucky

#

max blue balled me by going to sleep

lofty depot
#

Ok, start watching TV show

dull dust
#

rematch all of avatar

lofty depot
#

Is good show

vital hound
#

just doing 1st time delves

#

then timewalking

#

is also fast

fair pasture
#

what spec did yall use for ?? delve nullaeus

royal zenith
#

balance druid in a group

#

with a tank

lofty depot
#

Bear

fair pasture
#

for solo

fair pasture
#

or just dotc/ec

exotic perch
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play resto

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and afk off to the side and heal valeera

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its so easy

fair pasture
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do u set her to dps or tank