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royal zenith
nova ocean
I think they said they wanted it to be good in small air target counts or something
lament kernel
drifting nova
is busted or? not seen 1 yet
chilly python
Perma eclipse just press wrath / sf to change the current eclipse
lofty depot
I think they said they wanted it to be good in small air target counts or someth...
It might be good already in small counts
lofty depot
Perma eclipse just press wrath / sf to change the current eclipse
@john blizzard this guy doesn't speak for me or my class, please dont take his opinion seriously
warm atlas
Perma eclipse just press wrath / sf to change the current eclipse
why? just remove eclipse and increase the dmg of the base spells
drifting nova
I died to like 10 in pvp yday, only devourers I've seen
none in raid and none in m+
warm atlas
focus instead of the resource/spend mechanic of astral power and add full moon back
chilly python
Bro the eclipse mechanic has never been good once they should just give up on it
drifting nova
Bro the eclipse mechanic has never been good once they should just give up on it
mop wants a word
lucid olive
just forget that it's called Eclipse
drifting nova
I could forget if it WASNT A BUTTON
lucid olive
the current gameplay is new to the spec, the name is irrelevant
drifting nova
is it new?
chilly python
mop wants a word
Yeah mop is okay but it's only good because it's after wrath casino (cata was beta testing)
drifting nova
could call it herosim
lucid olive
"wooow eclipse is gone now we have "astral turbodick" spell on a 0.5s gcd"
drifting nova
and I'd still hate pressing it
lofty depot
Says CD slop man
drifting nova
it still does the same as eclipse
and went from a passive to a half gcd (bad)
it's regressive design
warm atlas
yeah, the issue isn't the name lol.. it is the terrible gameplay and ramp
chilly coral
When do i use [The Light of Elune] and [Astral Insight] in m+? Seems like ppl are doing different builds. Whats your thoughts?
drifting nova
the ONLY salvagable method vibes wise
lucid olive
comparing it to any previous version of eclipse is disingenous
lucid olive
there were bunch of reasons previous eclipse was bad, theres plenty of reasons this one is bad, but those are not related
drifting nova
it has a half baked damage seocndary in ascendant eclipses added onto it
lofty depot
When do i use [The Light of Elune] and [Astral Insight] in m+? Seems like ppl ar...
I need to find my funny 10t 30s sim
P sure 1 is ahead in burst
drifting nova
you could remove the apex talents
and nothing would change
hell, spec into anything else on the spec tree
for 4 points
royal zenith
you could remove the apex talents
yeah that is just factually wrong
but you also haven't seen any devourer ingame so
your opinion is debatable
drifting nova
no, I've died to them
royal zenith
(read; wrong)
drifting nova
I've yet to group with them (outside of like world bosses but lol)
lucid olive
but you also haven't seen any devourer ingame so
he's been busy chatting shit with the arcantina bartender
drifting nova
the who
lucid olive
(arcantina is really sick btw)
royal zenith
you're literally blind I think
drifting nova
yep, sure am
dusky lake
when playing elunes chosen in m+ do i still cast stargire during incarn on st?
hybrid garden
when playing elunes chosen in m+ do i still cast stargire during incarn on st?
yes you always and only cast starfire when playing elunes
though it does say to wrath when not in eclipse at all on single target
check this for more details: https://www.dreamgrove.gg/blog/balance/compendium#rotation
gentle patio
starfire in eclipse wrath outside
frank sail
I see in the compendium there are three builds listed. Keeper-Convoke the spirits. Keeper-Incarnation. Elunes chosen-convoke. Which one is ST and Aoe?
chilly coral
it says it in the compendium
digital berry
I see in the compendium there are three builds listed. Keeper-Convoke the spirit...
Those are all three st
gentle patio
elunes with convoke 
hybrid garden
In general you'll play keeper convoke in raid for single target, keeper incarn on multitarget cleave, and elunes without convoke on sustained multitarget like paladins? That sounds about right to everyone?
digital berry
Check warcraftlog for a boss by boss build selection
random pasture
Does anyone have a macro that makes you go into bear form and then cast HotW?
hybrid garden
Go check out each boss on the difficulty you are attempting and just copy one of those builds. It compiles top 100 or w/e logs
digital berry
Well you don’t copy builds from lorrgs
gentle patio
not if youre progressing
digital berry
It just sends you to wclogs and wclogs is much easier to grab builds from
hybrid garden
honestly with the questions being asked, he'll do just fine copying someone's build
will at least get him close
royal zenith
you're basically saying the same
cause lorrgs is using wcl
and you are being linked to wcl by clicking on the person
but typically it's used for cd management
aka planning when to use main cd's
hybrid garden
not really a meaningful argument this lol
digital berry
Nobody goes to lorrgs for talent builds let’s be real
wild blaze
This opener is wrong or am i trippen lol
digital berry
This opener is wrong or am i trippen lol
The whole eclipse before incarn thing has been debunked and likely doesn’t truly give a dps increase
nova ocean
It might be good already in small counts
But do u know wat the ptr change even is? I don't remember if even said exactly wat they did
wild blaze
Can i get a source? Sorry for asking. I just liked having the max ap prior to going into my full incarn
little forum
Hiii,
Is Crucible of Erratic Energies simming correctly? I can't seem to get rid of it 😂
digital berry
@lofty depot
pseudo merlin
Hiii,
Is Crucible of Erratic Energies simming correctly? I can't seem to get rid...
yes, why would you want to
digital berry
Hiii,
Is Crucible of Erratic Energies simming correctly? I can't seem to get rid...
Are you simming it fully upgraded ? There’s an option for that afaik
digital berry
Can i get a source? Sorry for asking. I just liked having the max ap prior to go...
As for what Arctic himself has said, it doesn’t matter either way so if you prefer you can eclipse first
little forum
yes, why would you want to
I guess I don't want to in particular, I just got the Emberwing Feather and was hoping it would outdo it 😄
gentle patio
But do u know wat the ptr change even is? I don't remember if even said exactly ...
instead of 1 meteorite per wave of stars it now drops 2 and their dmg is reduced by 30%
little forum
Are you simming it fully upgraded ? There’s an option for that afaik
I am, but I'm not sure how I can tell if mine is fully upgraded (apart from 6/6)
pseudo merlin
I guess I don't want to in particular, I just got the Emberwing Feather and was ...
Just incase, you do have the actual nodes unlocked on the c onsole right?
Cuz otherwise you shouldnt be using it (yet)
digital berry
I am, but I'm not sure how I can tell if mine is fully upgraded (apart from 6/6)
Have you been doing weekly quests for the separate talent tree ?
little forum
😅 I've done the weekly thing, I'll check console real quick
little forum
it should have 4 points
I could put in all the points, but I hadn't..... Thanks 😅
pseudo merlin
oof
lofty depot
But do u know wat the ptr change even is? I don't remember if even said exactly ...
Made it do less damage but hit 2
Sorry late response
oblique shard
has anyone had a hard time getting their leather hands crafted?
i usually get someone to offer in like 5 min tops, but ive been at it for like 45 minutes now and no one has been abel to
oblique shard
thats what i thought but... nah man
oblique shard
ok i finally got one hit
lofty depot
Get a guild or keep track of crafters
Usually the same people craft each season/tier
craggy sonnet
if you are on the low pop faction on your realm, log onto opposite faction char and search there
digital berry
Leveling an alt is so jarring
The ui is shit, the bars are empty, nothing is where it’s supposed to be
The abilities all look the same, I am clueless
velvet sentinel
use presets?
lofty depot
Leveling an alt is so jarring
Go to shadow point and level ezpz
digital berry
Go to shadow point and level ezpz
What does this even mean
delicate perch
The abilities all look the same, I am clueless
you could've just said the last part but we knew that already
digital berry
Why bulli
delicate perch
it takes like 2 seconds to set up a good enough ui
digital berry
I think the big problem is I never used Elvui and had dominos and now I have both and they clash often so the bars are all over the place
delicate perch
I have neither of those and have 0 issues
lofty depot
Why do u need dominos if u have elv
digital berry
I don’t but I had all my bars already set up on dominos so when I installed gamz’s ui and it installed Elvui i just couldn’t be bothered to switch everything over
I fucking hate twiddling with the UI so much
velvet sentinel
then use luckyone's UI in elvui and live with it
fiery veldt
exotic perch
starfall will do about 16% more dam
so i guess it will help but probably not a ton in the grand scheme of things
lofty depot
Depends how far off u were by said mage
lofty depot
Well that doesn't answer the question
craggy sonnet
he is the mage and the boomie
covert apex
hey, I'm kinda new to boomie, just completed the full raid in normal and the first m+. Is it just me or is keeper quite a bit more damage in m+ as well? I'm like 40k dps lower in big aoe pulls with elune. I don't think that I'm doing anything wrong cause Elune is even easier to play.
dawn surge
hey, I'm kinda new to boomie, just completed the full raid in normal and the fir...
kotg can easily be better in lower keys because its a little more favorable for short burst, also trees will moonfire for you so you dont even need to pre dot everything
playing EC you finish dotting and the pack is half dead already in anything below like 12/13, sometimes 14 and 15 depending on the players ur with
digital berry
Yeah in 10s it’s really depressing to play either tbh nowadays
Shit is half hp when you are starting the ramp
covert apex
mhmm makes sense. But when I tested on target dummies in silvermoon I could do like 190k dps over 5 min with Keeper. With Elune I only managed around 160k. And this was quite a long timeframe. The treants come up every second eclipse / celestrial
wild dune
dawn surge
i mean youre probably just playing incorrectly or have a wack talent setup
digital berry
Sounds like user error for sure
dawn surge
what talents are you using in EC?
wild dune
the keeper treants are also prob moonfiring everything around the dummies
like the 5 extra dummies not in that clump
covert apex
the keeper treants are also prob moonfiring everything around the dummies
that's a good point
covert apex
what talents are you using in EC?
I used this: https://murlok.io/character/eu/antonidas/lihanna/pve
wild dune
dummy dps tests are fairly pointless
dawn surge
yeah the starfall is also cringe and hits all those dummies too
covert apex
simmed higher than the build from the compendium on 5 targets for me
but yeah it's probably a combination of target dummies aren't good to test + I only ran +5 and lower so far, so keeper is just better there
digital berry
simmed higher than the build from the compendium on 5 targets for me
Sim? What kinda sim
Surely not 5t5m
dull dust
I bet its sounds cooler
obsidian fjord
I bet its sounds cooler
nope
proper mica
are there any talents to swap out the mushroom talent for? feels like it does nothing in raid
delicate perch
there are a few you can swap around, fairly sure gamz highlighted those in yellow in dreamgrove website
proper mica
wwty
red nymph
i think shroom, UI and SotF all sim around the same
jolly delta
Am I absolutely insane for thinking that the response regarding the mythic memory game is overblown?
obsidian fjord
lemme guess you are fluent in 10 different languages
are you american
delicate perch
Am I absolutely insane for thinking that the response regarding the mythic memor...
what happened
jolly delta
And that it's a cringe mechanic to do without add-ons but I can see it being perfectly doable with 10 more ilvls
And the only "issue" is with RWF guilds wanting to do it now
exotic perch
the mechanic def seems like itd be really hard without an addon in its current state
you could def do that mechanic if it gave you double time to resolve
without that is
aint no way you can do that now without one
covert apex
Sim? What kinda sim
I simply used patchwerk x5 since I don't know how else I can sim aoe im m+. Dungeon Slice is disabled for Balance. These are the results of the spec I posted vs. the compendium one (compendium had lower dps). Probably wrong do it like that but that's why I'm asking here.
delicate perch
lol
lucid olive
The real kicker with mythic L'ura for me is how they said "the way we make this fight harder for each difficulty would not have worked without the addon prune", and now we see that the mythic fight is Halondrus bombs + 15 kicks required every 30 seconds
delicate perch
are you often fighting 5 boss mobs for 5 minutes with 0 pots or lust
red nymph
The real kicker with mythic L'ura for me is how they said "the way we make this ...
laughably out of touch devs
digital berry
you could def do that mechanic if it gave you double time to resolve
Every time I see them do it they have sooo much fucking time. Idk if time is the problem
covert apex
are you often fighting 5 boss mobs for 5 minutes with 0 pots or lust
Obv not but is there a way to select multiple non boss mobs? And yes I often fight 5-10 mobs without pots & lust. Not for 5 mins obviously but the time shouldn't matter that much. I thought I decrease the variance if I keep the time kinda high.
normal pilot
they ended up solving it all with addons anyways. all they did was create work for themselves solving a problem that never gets solved so they can keep doing more work
it's pretty good corporate work on blizz part
lucid olive
addons were constricting their creative space
exotic perch
heroic lura is a perfect example of a mechanic that is fine without addons
lucid olive
its the same excuse they gave to removing pulsar
exotic perch
that is cool mechanic
lucid olive
bring back addons and pulsar
digital berry
Idk I feel like people at that level of play should be able to look at 5 symbols and remember the order, or max as a raid lead should be able to coordinate the players
delicate perch
Obv not but is there a way to select multiple non boss mobs? And yes I often fig...
why would time not matter 
do you do the same damage from 30s/1/3/5/10 minutes?
normal pilot
it doesn't really matter if you could do it without addons tho
cuz they did it with addons
digital berry
Obv not but is there a way to select multiple non boss mobs? And yes I often fig...
Unfortunately there just isn’t a good way to sim m+, pick the talent build that top players use and run with it
The kicks are insane and for sure will be nerfed by the time it reaches us
delicate perch
sim for ST and stop trying to pad
normal pilot
don't listen to doubters they just don't want you to take away their padding
but also can't really sim for m+ atm maybe try later in the tier
covert apex
why would time not matter <:KEKWHands:710909617353523211>
Cause it's the same hero tree with only slight differences in the node choices, so big cds are the same etc. So time shouldn't change too much. But you're right, 5 min is useless, it's just the default time and I didn't change it.
covert apex
sim for ST and stop trying to pad
but m+ has so much aoe. If I only sim for st then keeper will always win since we use it as a raid spec
normal pilot
eh sometimes 5t/5m is ok depending on the state of the spec
it's just not ok right now
digital berry
Cause it's the same hero tree with only slight differences in the node choices, ...
Those small differences unfortunately don’t matter as much as we’d hope they would, lots of pretty much interchangeable talents that don’t have much dmg variance
covert apex
Unfortunately there just isn’t a good way to sim m+, pick the talent build that ...
alright thanks! I guess I'll just run elune for m+ and keeper for raid to have a bit of variance.
delicate perch
but m+ has so much aoe. If I only sim for st then keeper will always win since w...
look how fast the trash dies compared to bosses man
4 minute dragon 
jolly delta
you could def do that mechanic if it gave you double time to resolve
what's the current time?
I might be misremembering but it seemed around 5s?
fiery kindle
padding time
exotic perch
I might be misremembering but it seemed around 5s?
idk right now
but i imagine if they didnt have that addon the only way to do it is over voice
imagine 3/4 people trying to say each one that fast
desert imp
does anyone know of any free bcdm profile to copy for boomies?
jolly delta
imagine 3/4 people trying to say each one that fast
Well I mean I'm not smart enough but I would suspect that it's possible to come up with smart ways to coordinate
Eg the raid leader counting a beat and everyone filling the blanks
normal pilot
it's 3 different groups each getting different info
proper mica
apparently i had a completely different raid spec
exotic perch
yeah the 3 different groups thing makes it really hard over voice
jolly delta
it's 3 different groups each getting different info
I know but the sequence is one, so if everyone talks only on the correct moment
I mean, I clearly don't wanna couch game this
normal pilot
ya but now you're overestimating ppl
maybe the top 100 guilds would do that
or maybe not even that
digital berry
Yeah nobody expects the mechanic to look like this when normal guilds start progging
jolly delta
Idk I guess
I guess the issue is that it's a pass/fail mechanic so it doesn't really get easier with gear
spice roost
is anyoen actually seeing a noticable gain with sims with the overrides
lucid olive
maybe it should be header instead of footer
jolly delta
is anyoen actually seeing a noticable gain with sims with the overrides
I mean, in raw numbers yes
lucid olive
who knows
red nymph
why does the cauldron have a mile high insteraction box?
lucid olive
put it in all the boxes
digital berry
Idk I feel like with a raid lead remembering the order of the five symbols they should be able to just repeat it when relevant and the players should be able to position in time
jolly delta
Idk I feel like with a raid lead remembering the order of the five symbols they ...
The raid lead doesn't know the order in mythic
Or well, tbh if everyone streams
delicate perch
put it in all the boxes
??? expert advice??
lucid olive
??? expert advice??
good one
delicate perch
digital berry
The raid lead doesn't know the order in mythic
Wdym, it just flashes above the boss . Or am I cooked and misunderstood the whole mechanic
jolly delta
Wdym, it just flashes above the boss . Or am I cooked and misunderstood the whol...
It's split in mythic
3 different groups see part of the sequence
normal pilot
and i think the 3 groups are random each time?
so you can't just rely on your 3 good raiders beingin diff groups
exotic perch
yea its random
coral shell
Hey guys, what is your best way to farm Dawnlight Manaflux in PVE?
exotic perch
group 1 can get 1/5, group 2 can get 2, group 3 can get 3/4
or any other random order
jolly delta
Or well, tbh if everyone streams
Honestly this feels the best way to do it without add-ons
dusky folio
for m+, between eclipses on ST, should I be wrathing? very new to the spec so trying to understand how eclipses work properly
jolly delta
But it's cringe yeah
digital berry
for m+, between eclipses on ST, should I be wrathing? very new to the spec so tr...
Yes
jolly delta
for m+, between eclipses on ST, should I be wrathing? very new to the spec so tr...
Yes, but it's a very small difference
exotic perch
i dont mind information asymmetry but its too fast for any normal guild to react to
since the tools are not the same
normal pilot
if hte group split wasn't random, then you could put your 3 non-mouth-breathers into each realm and they could coordinate
dusky folio
so is a good rule of thumb to just wrath between eclipses on ST as my filler?
jolly delta
Yes that's what you asked no?
dusky folio
well i wanted to make sure there wasn't certain situations where starfire beats wrath in those situations
as I said, very new
covert apex
well i wanted to make sure there wasn't certain situations where starfire beats ...
Check out the compendium, it's in the pinned msgs. Rotations etc. are all described there. You only starfire on 3+ targets if not in a lunar eclipse and without a starfire proc.
bleak kiln
Anyone heard if u cant immune execution sentence on vanguard boss?
dusky folio
ok thanks 🙂
bleak kiln
evidently our pallies are dying through bubble?
bleak kiln
so u actually need soakers okay
obsidian fjord
yes
jolly delta
Where does compendium say that?
digital berry
So you’re telling me I’m supposed to wrath in lunar on 1 and 2t?
jolly delta
idk I think he's confused
jolly delta
So you’re telling me I’m supposed to wrath in lunar on 1 and 2t?
only with keeper
the guy was asking about ec
digital berry
Oh well yeah I default to ec for m+ didn’t even consider keeper
lucid olive
you shouldnt be in lunar anyway in that situation
for EC you wrath outside of eclipse on st
covert apex
So you’re telling me I’m supposed to wrath in lunar on 1 and 2t?
I said that outside of an eclipse you'd only starfire on 3+ targets. If in lunar eclipse then you'd starfire even on less targets, no? E.g. if some targets died and only 2 are left
jolly delta
I said that outside of an eclipse you'd only starfire on 3+ targets. If in lunar...
Compendium doesn't say that no?
lucid olive
actually think the number of targets you wrath outside of eclipse is higher
drifting nova
cant be, it's currently 0
lucid olive
when i checked it was like 7 targets or something
but thats also like 2 months ago
so couldve changed with tuning stuff and sims getting better
digital berry
This is just such a good push into never speccing kotg In m+
covert apex
Compendium doesn't say that no?
jolly delta
First of all that's KOTG
lucid olive
yeah that doesnt mention outside of eclipse
drifting nova
This is just such a good push into never speccing kotg In m+
EC doesnt bette st anyway
jolly delta
Second it never mentions anything outside of eclipse
urban bison
Hey all, im new to Balance. I have looked at icy veins and wow head. Was wondering if anyone else had some QoL macros that werent listed ther
drifting nova
at feet trees idk if thats there tho
covert apex
yeah that doesnt mention outside of eclipse
Why would it be different outside of eclipse if it's described for both inside of CA? Wouldn't the same rule apply for no CA / Eclipse?
lucid olive
Why would it be different outside of eclipse if it's described for both inside o...
you have more haste and other shit in eclipse than outside
lucid olive
outside is more about just getting AP fast for your next Eclipse
casting starfire outside of eclipse very sluggish
covert apex
Well then it should maybe be mentioned in the compendium.
Otherwise ppl are just gonna make assumptions.
lucid olive
maybe, maybe not
i think wowhead might have it somewhere
need to keep one tidbit here and other tidbit there
make it like a scavenger hunt
jolly delta
Its also mentioned for EC which was what the guy was asking about
obsidian fjord
Otherwise ppl are just gonna make assumptions.
confucius say when you assume you make an ass out of u and me rex
covert apex
Its also mentioned for EC which was what the guy was asking about
The person mentioned neither ec nor keeper. They just said they are new to the spec and asked a general question.
drifting nova
lucid olive
its all good
we got a white name answering someones question and vinter is tryna scare him away
look at him typing up a storm
mans like bruce almighty
exotic perch
only white name that can do that is kekkers
jolly delta
mans like bruce almighty
nah bro im past that
exotic perch
bc i know itll be some good shitpost
jolly delta
I've reached enlightenment
drifting nova
only white name that can do that is kekkers
whys chancel get orange before me huh, answer me that
imposter
exotic perch
idk man that is not my dept
drifting nova
whos got the minutes
lucid olive
kekkers do you like baseball, american football or basketball?
drifting nova
weak cricket, handegg and worse than a black board
covert apex
btw for CE it says wrath on 1 target and starfire on 2+ targets outside of eclipse
lucid olive
weak cricket, handegg and worse than a black board
then you don't want orange name
covert apex
if I'm reading it correctly
drifting nova
then you don't want orange name
orange is my favourite colour after all 
obsidian fjord
btw for CE it says wrath on 1 target and starfire on 2+ targets outside of eclip...
you'll need to do a lot more than for CE rex. L'ura is no joke!
lucid olive
yeah for EC you dont wrath on 2 targets
covert apex
yeah for EC you dont wrath on 2 targets
thanks!
lofty depot
the wrath out of eclipse also doesnt actually matter
lucid olive
i can never tell that shit gets pingponged more than psychic link
covert apex
Idk I was ready to let it go but
I think we figured it out now. Thanks for the talk.
jolly delta
I think we figured it out now. Thanks for the talk.
You're free to open a PR to the compendium if you ever feel like it
jolly delta
You're free to open a PR to the compendium if you ever feel like it
I'm being fully serious here. Some things can be explained better and small issues fall through the cracks
Having someone take the time to fix them is appreciated
covert apex
You're free to open a PR to the compendium if you ever feel like it
Well I don't know what's optimal. I just told someone to check out the compendium and made an assumption based on what I found there. And it felt like you're trying to make me look stupid since it's all so obvious. Seems like I misunderstood that, sorry for that. I'm just trying to figure out how to play this class better.
jolly delta
(for example if you take the current KOTG aoe prio list literally then it just assumes you'll never be out of eclipse)
covert apex
Having someone take the time to fix them is appreciated
I'll gladly help once I get a bit more time into this game to figure stuff out. Right now I'm just testing things.
covert apex
(for example if you take the current KOTG aoe prio list literally then it just a...
yeah, that part confused me, so I just took the CA target prio and used it for out of eclipse as well
bleak kiln
So does the aura of silence on vanguard proc from starfall? I was silenced for 20 straight seconds on that fight
red nymph
game is good
warm briar
spice roost
are we starfalling on 2targets after the tuning
lucid olive
yes
jolly delta
Well I don't know what's optimal. I just told someone to check out the compendiu...
Wasn't trying to make you look stupid and sorry if it sounded this way. I found it just a bit silly to quote something that is not actually in the compendium
spice roost
is that only with kindling or without too
lucid olive
is that only with kindling or without too
with
jolly delta
Truth is that most likely if there's something like that missing from the compendium it is because gamz is lazy it's not very worth thinking about
lucid olive
but doing that is better at 2 targets than main spending on starsurge without those talents
covert apex
Wasn't trying to make you look stupid and sorry if it sounded this way. I found ...
Yeah all good. I shouldn't have assumed that the lack of explicit non eclipse target prio meant that it's the same. Prob made that connection in my head and then forwarded it like that. At least it helped to find an incomplete section in the compendium.
snow elm
My sims tell me to wrath in 2t in ec even during eclipse 😭
dull dust
covert apex
Truth is that most likely if there's something like that missing from the compen...
good point, damage outside of eclipse is kinda lackluster but on let's say 10 targets you'll prob feel a difference with starfire instead of wrath
jolly delta
Sure
covert apex
overall it just means less questions here, the more complete the information in the compendium is
jolly delta
But I think one can kinda guess to use Starfire at that point
jolly delta
overall it just means less questions here, the more complete the information in ...
You'd be surprised
lucid olive
overall it just means less questions here, the more complete the information in ...
eh
questions are fun as well
or else it's just perma oogie woogie spam
and that gets old after a week..
jolly delta
gamz are you rank 9 delver's journey yet
lucid olive
lmao good one
covert apex
questions are fun as well
true true
lucid olive
i'm 275
covert apex
I'm still confused about rattle the stars vs. starweaver. Some say this, others say the other etc. Idk...is there a clear winner?
lucid olive
I'm still confused about rattle the stars vs. starweaver. Some say this, others ...
whatever the vibe feels like brother
you can go check warcraftlogs and see what some top logs are playing for the content you're doing
but for most content it doesnt make a big difference
lucid olive
generally keeper better for raid and EC better for m+
lucid olive
yes but think about the gamztres
that guy just existed for a few days until his heroic split was over
gamzdos is 670 as well..
bleak kiln
So is standing in middle of crown P1 bad? Big dam with starfall but can leave bad puddles
wise loom
is there a way to track eclipse without having to move the buff tooltips?
like a bar or something
jolly delta
gamzdos is 670 as well..
holy
lucid olive
with vaelgor trinket and alnseer
jolly delta
I miss twosune... 
covert apex
you can go check warcraftlogs and see what some top logs are playing for the con...
It's like 70/30 Starweaver for the top m+ players. But since Rattle seems viable and is less buttons / easier to play I might just go with that.
jolly delta
is there a way to track eclipse without having to move the buff tooltips?
like a...
blizzard CDM
wise loom
blizzard CDM
only option?
wise loom
i liked the moon and sun things on right and left before the expansion
looking for something like that
lucid olive
i saw an addon earlier on reddit about that
thanks for reminding me
enough people ask about the default spell alerts being gone, if this one fixes it could be good
wise loom
i saw an addon earlier on reddit about that
lmk if you found it 🙏🏼
jolly delta
It's like 70/30 Starweaver for the top m+ players. But since Rattle seems viable...
Play the one you find more fun, the difference isn't that substantial and it's hard to even predict properly
spice roost
i saw an addon earlier on reddit about that
do u have the name
jolly delta
You'll find that real world parses will gravitate towards one or another but, as the variance you've seen suggests, it's w/e
covert apex
Play the one you find more fun, the difference isn't that substantial and it's h...
You're right. I just like to theorycraft.
lucid olive
do u have the name
eh, i think it was eqol
but i'm looking thru it to see if i can find it
covert apex
How do you guys feel about the strength of boomys overall though in raid & m+? Are we like mid of the pack or struggling?
wise loom
snow elm
What’s the advantage of weaver over rattle in keys even if both sim the same
wise loom
@lucid olive
covert apex
What’s the advantage of weaver over rattle in keys even if both sim the same
Most likely the fun aspect if you enjoy procs & more buttons to press.
lucid olive
https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/eqol
this one?
yeah but it seems a bit complicated
wise loom
thanks ❤️
jolly delta
What’s the advantage of weaver over rattle in keys even if both sim the same
slightly more prio damage
dull dust
<@241331846338576387> blame the mage
wasnt that fixed already
lucid olive
thanks ❤️
i think it looks like ass, but it works
can change width and height of the textures to make them look less jarring
its honestly kinda funny how they made it work
digital berry
Does anyone know how much of a difference it is in current patch between falling and surging on 2t?
lucid olive
Does anyone know how much of a difference it is in current patch between falling...
top one main spends on Starfall and only uses Starsurge on Starweaver procs, second one main spends on Starfall and uses Cosmos and Starweaver on Starsurge
with goldrinn and without kindling and meteorites its probably slightly better to starsurge on 2 but why would you play those talents anyway in that scenario
and with rattle and EC talents for m+ its also Starfall
normal pilot
is it dead
dull dust
doesnt even use ca at 2t
lucid olive
50% still
dull dust
dull dust
290 pulls...
im betting lower 600
dense steeple
this shit sucked ass
dull dust
look at that smile tho
dense steeple
bro the beloran achieve is like "heres a super easy task that will take you 2 minutes"
and then every single aspect of the task is bugged
so we got farmed for an hour
we spent MORE time just trying to pick up an egg than we did actually fighting the boss
dull dust
dense steeple
step 1, pick up egg. step 2, hit 10 light mechs and 10 void mechs
ez pz
tell me why my tanks cant pick up the fucking egg
like its not clickable
dull dust
QA brrr
lucid olive
@delicate perch guardian keys really slam this tier too
i just did like 300k pulling like 5 packs together in nexus point
delicate perch
<@129188899741237248> guardian keys really slam this tier too
ya I did most of my week 1 keys as bear
just pull around incarn and beat the dps
lucid olive
just pull around incarn and beat the dps <:smilers:1153270308531359754>
line up incarn for dmg amp on 2nd boss
delicate perch
line up incarn for dmg amp on 2nd boss
lmfao glad they "nerfed" it
digital berry
i just queue for nexus point keys for the light ring
same, i got it in veteran track tryna get hero
exotic perch
also healing as resto shaman is insane how easy it is
fiery kindle
echo hit 55% at like 9pm and went dark after
after nerf, right?
lofty depot
<@129188899741237248> guardian keys really slam this tier too
u know big pull in AA before 3rd boss
mmhm mmhm
beat people on damage amp on nexus
theres a lot of pulls i just slam and people are like wtf
cerulean snow
is there something i am doing wrong? my st dam is so much better then my aoe
lofty depot
playing wrong prob
lofty depot
maybe u do
spice roost
maybe u do
have u tried natures grace instead of steller amp in keys
im getting better results after copying cotties build with it
lofty depot
nah
dusky folio
does anyone know if there are good elvui profiles, not necessarily for balance druid, but for all classes, where the debuffs/dots are moveable and not necessarily on top of the nameplate of the enemy?
lofty depot
u can offset them but idk what u mean by moveable outside of that
moving them from the top to the botton?
surely natty plater just does it
dusky folio
i've seen elvui profiles where dots and debuffs/buffs are like centred right under their character
idk how they do it
lofty depot
that seems giga shit
stark meteor
does emerald nightmare have a tier set for tmogs
stark meteor
ah shit it's just nighthold nvm
red nymph
minus the addon drama, this fight is badass.
copper valve
Is the mastery bonus multiplicative to itself while under Incarn?
lofty depot
astral spells like surge and starfall get effected by both eclipses bonuses
lofty depot
i assumed what u meant
copper valve
I assume when you say affected it's calculated as x*y rather than 1(x+y)?
normal pilot
ya damage effects from different buffs by default are multiplicative
copper valve
Got it 👍
ebon parcel
how important is monitoring stellar amplification for council fights like vanguard?
do i need to monitor and keep up the stack on general venel as much as i can or i can forget about it?
like do i need to change my rotation of aoe to include starsurges to keep the buff as much as ai can or at least during his damage amp phase?
lofty depot
"need to"
the difference between surging 1 of the 2 targets in a 2t situation and surging both is 1% diffy
and come tuesday ur starfalling 2t
spice roost
and come tuesday ur starfalling 2t
do we starfall 2target with meteor storm aswell
lofty depot
ye
spice roost
ok ty
ebon parcel
"need to"
sorry sir
i dont get it
in vanguard fight am i keeping stellar amplification on venel most of the time or dont bother?
lofty depot
i would worry about it more when theres only 2 in range
rather than keeping track on 3t
but u dont need to do it at all tbf
clever sorrel
can someone help me figure out why this guys avg dmg on his spells are so much higher than mine? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/XGmc3KDkMf27Zpbr?fight=8&type=damage-done&source=615 https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/gM4Lz2yxhFTjPHRv?fight=90&type=damage-done&source=155
ebon parcel
but u dont need to do it at all tbf
that makes things a lot easier!
delicate perch
can someone help me figure out why this guys avg dmg on his spells are so much h...
you have like half the hits he does but thats such an odd thing to compare
clever sorrel
that's why im looking at avg dmg per hit.
viscid rampart
Hi! I got Vaelgor's Final Stare 3/6 hero track in vault. I should go for that one right?
Myth track Tier shoulders look good too tho. I have Champion track shoulders currently.
nimble tangle
ngl i would pick that mythic ring
viscid rampart
Yeh thought about it too but I have it on hero track
Sim says trinket but it's easier to get I suppose than myth track gear (I don't raid mythic but clear HC)
trim ridge
would the value of haste increase on a fight with multiple priority add windows? wondering whether its worth putting some more haste on for crown
spice roost
Sim says trinket but it's easier to get I suppose than myth track gear (I don't ...
trinket if u dont have it by far
royal zenith
ngl i would pick that mythic ring
insane take
if you don't have vaelgor's stare you pick that
you can easily catalyze/loot mythic rings and/or pieces like hands, shoulders, etc.
spice roost
really hope he took the trinket
royal zenith
vaelgor's stare is easily +3k damage at heroic level
viscid rampart
really hope he took the trinket
Did not select it yet, appreciate the input
viscid rampart
Yeye sim shows trinket by far, was just factoring in other aspects too
royal zenith
and the difference between heroic ring versus mythic ring
it's probably only* like a few 100 dps
royal zenith
Yeye sim shows trinket by far, was just factoring in other aspects too
understandable
spice roost
you wont replace vaelgors unless u get a myth one
shrewd jasper
hi. im tryna craft myself an alnhara cane as my first craft. i cannot find any info on what missive im supposed to use here. any input?
royal zenith
haste/mastery or crit/mastery are safe bets, sim it for the actual dif
shrewd jasper
ty
wide dawn
😂 i have harder vault hc gaze or mythic chest
round field
"harader vault"
wide dawn
I mean hard decision
jolly delta
"harader vault"
haradar vault
round field
I mean hard decision
Legit easiest decision in the universe what
analog pier
hey guys is there stat cap on mastery ? or stats i need to hit
fossil hemlock
hey guys is there stat cap on mastery ? or stats i need to hit
Follow the robot
raven obsidian
Hello at 285 lvl which item has more intellect ; Feet / waist / wrist / back / hand ? ( i want to craft an item )
fossil hemlock
Hello at 285 lvl which item has more intellect ; Feet / waist / wrist / back / h...
You can always just browse the items on the crafting order guy
jolly delta
im betting feet
raven obsidian
thanks guys
jolly delta
im betting feet
almost
jolly delta
Feet, gloves and waist have same int
im always surprised when someone knows this info
because I legit never look at stats in game
most of the times they're just funny numbers for the robot
pallid bay
who would ever remember what the big medium small slots are
they keep changing all the time
jolly delta
a couple of weeks ago someone said that neck doesnt give int and i had no idea
ornate hare
Whats the second best crafted Gear? I have the weapon
delicate perch
a couple of weeks ago someone said that neck doesnt give int and i had no idea <...
expert btw
drifting nova
legion?
timid fern
Hi guys I’ve been looking through some logs and I’m a little confused about star fall usages in raid, I see top logs on dragons just st and only prio star fall when orbs spawn, do we not star fall on 2 targets ?
polar leaf
I did 68k dps on crown hc and got a 20 grey log wtf xD how much do you have to do to actually get a purple or blue log on it?
grand crystal
at least 100k
polar leaf
damn, the group i killed it with the top had 99k, so its pretty hard to get good logs on it it seems
grand crystal
jsut play ur rotation better
look at wowanalyzer and upload ur log to see what u did wrong
und compare ur logs to logs from better players so u see what they have done what u havent
polar leaf
keeper of teh grove for single target?
aiit cool
Am i doing something wrong or is there no balance druid on the top 1k on crown (damage to bosses)
on warcraftlogs
raven obsidian
we the new starfall buff the rotation will change ?
obsidian tapir
we the new starfall buff the rotation will change ?
why would it change ?
royal zenith
Am i doing something wrong or is there no balance druid on the top 1k on crown (...
dunno what you're trying to do
but there's at least 1 balance druid in top 1k @ spot 431
for heroic, that is
polar leaf
but there's at least 1 balance druid in top 1k @ spot 431
hmm ok then i missed it, yes heroic logs on crown im trying to see how he played. Ty
royal zenith
shouldn't you compare to just other balance druids in general, not other classes?
(aka filter it on just balance druids)
polar leaf
shouldn't you compare to just other balance druids in general, not other classes...
ok didnt know about the filter, iam comparing to balance druids ofc not other classes
twin lotus
any boomies that have played alleria (crown of the cosmos) mythic , any tips?
lofty depot
Hi guys I’ve been looking through some logs and I’m a little confused about star...
Not currently, on Tuesday yes (should read the guide)
obsidian fjord
any boomies that have played alleria (crown of the cosmos) mythic , any tips?
same as any other range
maybe u can watch ranged group get add in p1 with typhoon/ursol or some shit
p2 normal ranged guy do normal things
p3 normal ranged guy do normal ranged things
nothing spec specific
ranged group can steal aggro with healer threat and dh stars and shit in p1
lofty depot
any boomies that have played alleria (crown of the cosmos) mythic , any tips?
I'd go watch adeptxo's vod and see... But it plays the same as before.
Learn how to wild charge presumably
obsidian fjord
the fight is just full choreograph
no real dmg check
just rote learn movement
maybe some tether immune technologies
twin lotus
yeah, watched a VoD
classic dance
maybe i should start dancing IRL i am getting good at this
craggy sonnet
Hi guys I’ve been looking through some logs and I’m a little confused about star...
The clue for 2t is to keep up stellar amp on both targets. That is why they are not pressing Starfall as the main spender.
It buffs your periodic dmg by a significant amount
languid estuary
starfall on 2 
drifting nova
whoever designed dmf is a crackfiend
craggy sonnet
Until Tuesday when u start starfalling on 2
Unlucky Starfall buff makes stellar amp stronger as well. Still surge on 2t
lofty depot
Yea surely
viscid rampart
Hands is a good 285 craft yeh?
lucid olive
yeah
viscid rampart
Ty
fickle pier
Until Tuesday when u start starfalling on 2
fr? ong? nocap?
lofty depot
Mmhm mmhm
craggy sonnet
sadly cap 😔
digital berry
Please math is out somehow so that we use fall on 2t
Idc if you have to pull numbers out of your ass
craggy sonnet
you heard the man
copper gate
Honestly even if starfalling on 2t come Tuesday is only a smidge worse I’m still going to do it because it feels right and it’s what god intended
lofty depot
What's a smidge
copper gate
Less than 40% difference
craggy sonnet
there is no god in boomie design decisions
lofty depot
40% .... Holy
copper gate
lofty depot
It's already that way silly
digital berry
5% is huge im leaning toward up to 1%
lofty depot
Less than that 🙂
digital berry
At this point .5% is legit 50 dps like im not gonna care
I’m falling on dragons and nobody can stop me
frank vine
hi everyone, does this prio imply that no matter if i have starweaver's weft proc on 3+ targets i always still keep starfalling and that i actually never use that free starsurge?
frank vine
the free surge is still used on 3+ targets? i know i've asked about this before but i wonder if prio has changed and if it will change with us getting buffed next week
frank vine
got it, thanks boss
lofty depot
Is kinda weird... If u have a weaver proc on surge and u don't have any on Starfall. U would rather surge me thinks so u don't munch
But looks better in apl to guide to not have 13 different lines of weaver this, cosmos this, weaver if not that
frank vine
it just feels kinda counterintuitive because starsurge is only 1 target blaster and starfire is a group mob blaster
but yes, i get where youre coming from
lofty depot
Gonna curb your thoughts
Starfire is not a mob blaster
Surge also gives other procs
frank vine
but why does it feel like that 😛
lofty depot
It's not just a hot damage
frank vine
true
lofty depot
but why does it feel like that 😛
Wrong feelings
New boomkin thinks something does damage when it doesn't
digital berry
Starfire definitely used to do a lot more dmg in tww
lucid olive
Starfire definitely used to do a lot more dmg in tww
really??
exotic perch
quit showing us the relics of the past
grim crater
i have a question
royal zenith
how dare you
grim crater
Starsurge and starfall are arcane abilities correct? or are they astral? or is astral a damage done also by arcane abilities?
cause lunation reduces FoE when casting arcane abilities, yet i don't see them being labeled as arcane more so astral. They do reduce the cooldown ofc but just want to understand
sleek dirge
Nature : Sunfine + Wrath
Arcane : Moonfire + Starfire +Starfall
(spenders) Astral : Starsurge + Starfall
grim crater
so both arcane and nature
ahh
playing boomkin for so long and its crazy I never bothered to understand that
I just thought astral was a third damage type druids did XD
next trench
is there a way to track stellar amp on nameplates? like with my moonfire/sunfire/mushrooms? or are we stuck with the debuffs blizz thinks we want to track even with plater
normal pilot
it's not your fault, blizz tooltips & explanations are atrocious
lucid olive
is there a way to track stellar amp on nameplates? like with my moonfire/sunfire...
stellar amp is tracked among those
lucid olive
Nature : Sunfine + Wrath
Arcane : Moonfire + Starfire +Starfall
(spenders) Astra...
nature, arcane and astral are all just random names and don't really matter outside of explaining the spec to a beginner
Wrath does more damage in Solar because the Solar Eclipse buff has Wrath flagged on it, the damage school doesn't matter
maybe in classic or previous versions of WoW you could consider damage schools like that, but the game was way more consistent back then
normal pilot
it changed after legion
up until legion game actually worked like most ppl would expect
normal pilot
nah this new way is way better at protecting devs from players they're not gonna give it up
normal pilot
missing whitelist can only nerf players so there is less worry about player power
next trench
stellar amp is tracked among those
i have the default jundies nameplates atm and i'm not seeing it, i feel stupid asking but where in the plater menu would i toggle it back on? tysm
lucid olive
oh nameplates
sorry i read boss frames for some reason
thats where i track it at least
assume you can see stellar amp on nameplate if you toggle the option that also lets you see your Warlock's Havoc and other dogshit effects..
next trench
i guess i can just look at boss frames then if they're there. i hate blizzard so much i miss real addons 🥲
ty
frank vine
New boomkin thinks something does damage when it doesn't
i wouldnt consider myself new since i was playing on and off since dragonflight (not sure whats considered truly new in wow community), maybe just bad or uninformed, but all i know is that your help and gamz's help allowed me to understand some things more intricately and therefore the performance also got better, but i would actually love to know more things about boomkin and why some things actually matter in situations where most people think it wouldn't and vice versa
lofty depot
Ur date joining dreamgrove 🙂
frank vine
😛
frank vine
since im new gotta be careful lmao
this might be a bit of a stupid question, but how does one even get into theory crafting and contributes to the community? (speaking for boomkins specifically now)
lucid olive
this might be a bit of a stupid question, but how does one even get into theory ...
Just stick around
Soak up information like a sponge
lofty depot
Depends what u actually want to do with information
lucid olive
Answer questions when people ask
lofty depot
I started by trolling people's opener
lucid olive
Don't get upset if someone proves you wrong on something
Contributing to community just means helping curious people by answering questions or pointing them to good resources
frank vine
Don't get upset if someone proves you wrong on something
of course, i mean, with that information that would be gathered i'd like to contribute to the community whenever and in any way i can and to make people perform better, do higher keys, understand concepts of wow that are not overtly visible, etc. altho i still feel like im too inexperienced to do just that
lucid olive
that's fine, experience accumulates over time
lofty depot
Only way to get experience is doing it
frank vine
I started by trolling people's opener
lel
lucid olive
I started playing WoW in Shadowlands
if you look thru my message history in here I have asked some real dumb questions
lofty depot
It's the reason I do a million keys at the start of season, cuz then the fotms start asking questions I need to know how to answer
lucid olive
I pinged Gas once and complained about Bloodmallet being outdated
he just said "lol"..
normal pilot
it's not that big a deal, like rest of wow theorycrafting is more about time you put in than any kind of 'skill' or 'knowledge'
lofty depot
Yea look at gamz he's not skilled
lucid olive
but a lot of the effort goes unpaid and thankless
lofty depot
"expert"
normal pilot
all the tools are publicly available to anyone
normal pilot
it's not like theorycrafters are any better equipped than anyone else
ppl writing guides just use the same shit everyeone else does
lucid olive
wait gamz you are a slands baby
yeah so all that "omg X spec has been busted since legion!" class tribalism is incredibly cringe to me
lofty depot
Says the 3 druid mirrors player
exotic perch
lol us old heads remember the more fun times
frank vine
ppl writing guides just use the same shit everyeone else does
that does in a way make sense yup, but where do you find those tools (yes, i'm that uninformed)
lofty depot
that does in a way make sense yup, but where do you find those tools (yes, i'm t...
Soooo depends what u mean
If you think theorycrafting is just apl writing
It's not
lucid olive
ppl writing guides just use the same shit everyeone else does
also for what its worth, being a guide writer wasn't something i set out to do at all
exotic perch
end of wod with ring + seed
🤌
lucid olive
it was season 4 fated Dragonflight and Dsune said something like "idk if I wanna do Compendium anymore"
so I just did it for season 4
realized it was fun
and then kept doing it
craggy sonnet
and now you are doing 3 diff guides and realize it was a mistake all along
lofty depot
Chancel writes apl, and he doesn't know dick about boomkin
lucid olive
nah I am still having fun with it
craggy sonnet
thats good then!
lucid olive
the parts about it that isn't fun is interacting with all the other "theorycrafters"
calm ibex
And we appreciate your work 
lofty depot
Blud 
frank vine
Chancel writes apl, and he doesn't know dick about boomkin
lol
lucid olive
and feeling like a project manager
inner pagoda
Hey I'm out of the loop here what happened with balance druid, 2 weeks ago people were saying it was saved and now it's the least represented ranged in high keys
exotic perch
the parts about it that isn't fun is interacting with all the other "theorycraft...
is that the wowhead ppl
lucid olive
is that the wowhead ppl
no
lofty depot
Hey I'm out of the loop here what happened with balance druid, 2 weeks ago peopl...
When we talk about being good, that doesn't mean it needs to be meta
normal pilot
unfortunate
lofty depot
It means ur not a warrior and not detrimental to a group
lucid olive
whats your IO gas
royal zenith
tunnelvision is real
glacial sluice
First time touching boomie since BFA so be kind 🥹
Looking through the pins to understand a bit more of the rotation for m+ & then some key logs. Seeing next to no nature dam / wrath’s etc. Are folks just slamming arcane and astral even during bosses & 2T fall off?
normal pilot
wait did rio get bought out by zam this shit looks like wowhead adslop
craggy sonnet
is that the wowhead ppl
is me!
lofty depot
First time touching boomie since BFA so be kind 🥹
Looking through the pins to ...
Most people are playing elunes chosen which doesn't press wrath at all or often
royal zenith
the new generation is only focused on the minigame of wanting to get dps number up
regardless of humans..
craggy sonnet
(actually not me, i think, maybe)
lofty depot
But the "nature" vs "arcane" damage doesn't matter
normal pilot
huh guess i wasn't that bad
glacial sluice
Most people are playing elunes chosen which doesn't press wrath at all or often
Ty, I assumed it had to do with the hero tree. Appreciate it!!
royal zenith
week 1 score??
lucid olive
huh guess i wasn't that bad
analog owl
Do you ever cast wrath as elune's chosen or is it just pew pew star chicken all the way?
lucid olive
On single target outside of Eclipse
analog owl
On single target outside of Eclipse
Gotcha
frank vine
Surge also gives other procs
i wanna just quickly go back to this what arctic said (not sure how to exactly name him since well yeah) but what exactly does it proc other than stellar amp?
because i know gamz that we talked before about this using surge procs in aoe and you said that it might only be "possible" to ignore the free surge procs if there was like a target count above 10
drifting nova
trying to do old stuff in wow is so ungodly broken, blizzzard why
craggy sonnet
garry
craggy sonnet
i wanna just quickly go back to this what arctic said (not sure how to exactly n...
assuming you play weaver, it can also proc you a free starfall
frank vine
assuming you play weaver, it can also proc you a free starfall
fair point, i dont know how i just automatically dismissed that possibility
craggy sonnet
so there is a feedback loop in using the opposite weaver procs
if you dont, then essentially the talent does nothing for you
.. use the weaver surge procs that is
and any free spender also gives you solstice
frank vine
man i was convinced since forever that starfall dmg applied steallar amp
frank vine
and any free spender also gives you solstice
wait, this is impled to ANY?
lofty depot
i wanna just quickly go back to this what arctic said (not sure how to exactly n...
If u have weaver or cosmos proc, it's solatice
craggy sonnet
no
frank vine
thats news
frank vine
i know it says "free" in the talent tooltip
craggy sonnet
and the ec talent proc on a builder
lofty depot
No, it's from 'free' yea, it's a new interaction
lucid olive
star cascade ones give solstice too
lofty depot
Last tier it didn't
lucid olive
but convoke and star cascade give 1 second instead of 3
craggy sonnet
but those only at reduced duration (1s instead of 3s)
lofty depot
As does convoke, but it's 1 ye
frank vine
star cascade gives 1 second solstice?
lucid olive
Last tier it didn't
what didnt
frank vine
because its a "free" spender?
lofty depot
Solstice from weaver
lofty depot
Lies deceit
lucid olive
Hail of Stars interacted with Weaver since it was added in 11.0.5
frank vine
so:
free spenders from TTC and Weaver --> 3 seconds
free spenders from CTS and SC --> 1 second
lucid olive
the interaction was just not good until they moved the DoT dmg from Mastery and into ShSt
craggy sonnet
correct
lofty depot
Please don't say ttc or cts
craggy sonnet
and then you reset all your accumulated solstice duration to 6s when you pop the next eclipse
fun
lofty depot
My brain doesn't like that
frank vine
My brain doesn't like that
honestly, mine neither, cause what it is Sh and St
sometimes do get lost in these abbreviations
lucid olive
shooting stars
lofty depot
Lol, well some is fine, ShS is shooting stars
lucid olive
I'm not a big abbreviation user either but I was typing with 1 hand
craggy sonnet
great
lofty depot
Wait til u know what dogs and cats are
craggy sonnet
dont wanna know that
lucid olive
yeah you need good cat procs and good dog procs
lofty depot
Goldrinn = dog
Denizen = cats
craggy sonnet
woofs and mews
frank vine
please enlighten me
lucid olive
need to proc cats in your cooldowns as well
craggy sonnet
darn cats
lucid olive
do the weekly housing quest for crests every week and send to your alt
and then gear it in like 7 weeks time
frank vine
Goldrinn = dog
Denizen = cats
loool, just now seeing this
lucid olive
or you can just spam delves i guess
exotic perch
better to wait a few weeks till you get the hero crest save for alts
or you just have to play so much more
champ/hero crest save is fast
frank vine
Some times u proc and it's raining cats and dogs
and when it is, dam = big
jolly delta
tbh I just want to play m+
so I kinda need what
240?
to start getting invited into +2s
or running my owns
exotic perch
you can get like 255 from just delves
frank vine
if you have a premade group, 235 is more than enough to do a+ 10 probably
lucid olive
maybe you arent
jolly delta
Ur not getting into groups as 240
with my main's rio i am
maiden pasture
do the weekly housing quest for crests every week and send to your alt
Can u acc do that shit every week
I thought it was a 1 time thing
exotic perch
ye the housing is weekly
maiden pasture
with my main's rio i am
frank vine
with my main's rio i am
depends on how picky some people are
exotic perch
but the item is warbound for the crest
lucid olive
once a week across your entire warband i think
exotic perch
20 hero ye
frank vine
o 20 hero ye
exotic perch
i just took some marl lol
frank vine
or an augment rune
jolly delta
lucid olive
the coffer keys auto combining when you enter a delve is so nice actually
jolly delta
i will never understand this currency slop
why do i need shards that combines into keys that drop coins that transmute into crests
something something
exotic perch
so you play more
sleek trellis
for my crafted offhand weapon what embellishment do i need to use?
exotic perch
its all to get those MAU up
frank vine
does weaver outperform rattle in m+ ec? generally speaking
frank vine
yeah yeah, im using the build from compendium just not soul of the forest but umbral embrace
jolly delta
you can get like 255 from just delves
this is with bountiful ones only no?
royal zenith
do 3 preys for map
jolly delta
but then arent i capped on keys?
jolly delta
ok should be fine then
lofty depot
for my crafted offhand weapon what embellishment do i need to use?
Did u already craft said oh
Cuz u shouldn't
sleek trellis
havent crafted it yet
exotic perch
you def craft a staff now
heavy iris
is Astral Insight being played primarily cause you're in a premade and know you're getting max value during incarn and Light of elune better for pugging? or is the difference just negligible so people are playing what they want
lofty depot
Staff better, crest efficiency>
exotic perch
then make an offhand later in the tier if you get the good main hand
lofty depot
is Astral Insight being played primarily cause you're in a premade and know you'...
Right now it might depend how long shit lives, need to test more
sleek trellis
already got heroic main hand
lofty depot
So what
- The mh is 66% of the stats so ur getting less stats and spending crests on 33%
- If u do mh+oh ur spending 160 crests and not 80
royal zenith
what if I craft 3 items though
royal zenith
but I want to pad my ilvl
heavy iris
Right now it might depend how long shit lives, need to test more
In the sense that packs are dying relatively close to the same time incarn is up? Light starts to pull ahead when incarn isn't lasting x% of the pull