balance

[lofty depot]

ull understand him and his corp

[hasty dove]

Is it worse to be ragebaited or to be ragebaited by a moron?

[dull dust]

is this not the most nothingburger changes

[lofty depot]

u'd probably like some of the language in there, knowing the zoomer mind

[lofty depot]

see the difference with u thinking either is that i dont get raged

and u still look like a moron

[hasty dove]

Who?

[lofty depot]

so its really a win win for me

yea u cant get me with my joke

nt tho

[hasty dove]

Asked.

[dull dust]

do i share mabey fake numbers

[lofty depot]

haha, so cleaver

[obsidian fjord]

confucius ask

what is the difference

[hasty dove]

Thx

[lofty depot]

real numbys

actually did u test the cosmos line

cuz i didnt

[dull dust]

that means i gotta check stuff

what cosmos

[hasty dove]

Thats the neat part. There isnt

[lofty depot]

starfall cosmos procs

starfall 2t

[dull dust]

ah

sec

[lofty depot]

change talents for meteorites aswell

[hasty dove]

Is he a mathkin?

[lofty depot]

no hes a mage

[hasty dove]

Wth

Why is he here

[lofty depot]

when u ask for help, u get tourists

[digital berry]

If starfall and ss are close enough in st surely starfall wins just by virtue of extending buffs right ?

[lofty depot]

starfall would win cuz u have the possibility of hitting multiple targets

or has a bigger change of winning because of multiple targets rather than extending buffs

[nova latch]

What are the thoughts on the boomie buffs?

[obsidian fjord]

that's

some bizarre logic

[lofty depot]

we take those

[obsidian fjord]

"pressing the button that doesn't extend your dots for free would be better so that we are forced to dot more"

[lofty depot]

starfall gives free surges sometimes

is good surely

[lofty depot]

well 1 does more damage to 1 target

but theres other factors than just straight up damage

[obsidian fjord]

you would never make that decision off of that

[red nymph]

bold of you to assume im able to make decisions at all with my severe adhd

[obsidian fjord]

they would have to be like exactly dps neutral for that to be the case and then you'd just surge or starfall based on the prio of the adds on the fight

[dull dust]

understandable

stay weak king

[obsidian fjord]

if thats what u meant thats fine

but it will never be the case ever so my brain just didnt consider thats what u meant

not worth thinking about my dood

[fair pasture]

Yay buffies

[dull dust]

release the numbers!

[wild dune]

mods keeping the real numbers secret

[gilded mirage]

I think I gotta come home to boomie at this point, I cannot play feral in this raid

[dull dust]

the number is 4

ish

[plucky valley]

But could it be higher? Ish

[dull dust]

yes ish

[plucky valley]

Also Gratz on orange name

I used to pray for times like this

[dull dust]

[lofty depot]

idk if blud has a home

didnt knwo we were taking refuges now

[dawn surge]

yoo grats

[nova latch]

Whats the current consensus on boomies? Reading a lot of negativity, in particular regarding boomie in m+

[wild dune]

where

[cursive mirage]

consensus is buff us plz

[wild dune]

brother this discord won't be happy until rf and pulsar is back, eclipse is off the gcd, lunar bolts apply moonfire, and its stacked in rwf for every boss

[nova latch]

Youtube and ingame mostly. A lot of negativity regarding boomies being very bad in anything below 15s

[cursive mirage]

yeah well that is the typical moonkin experience

spec is never good in low keys

[nova latch]

Mostly just wanted to get into resto and play boomie a bit but if boomie is really meh then nah. I just sufferer through Arms warrior being garbage xd

[wild dune]

boomie is fine in weekly 10s unless your playing with zug specs like ret

And even then who cares it's a 10

[nova latch]

Fairs

[wild dune]

youtubers look at an archon data graph and make a 20 minute YouTube video about it despite never doing anything more than speed limit keys

[lofty depot]

"US"

[cursive mirage]

WYM?

I am not betraying this tier

[dull dust]

wym we got buffed

[lofty depot]

w

[wide dawn]

How much is the aoe buff estimated?

[lofty depot]

idk like 3.5 or some shit

[dull dust]

kinda depends on target count

id imagine its p big in keys

[lofty depot]

yea surely

[dull dust]

its like 6% at 10t!

3 at 2

so somewhere in there surely

[normal pilot]

starfall's just not enough of your damage

it's only like 22% in AA

[lofty depot]

i surely didnt go look at a log and do some math

[dull dust]

theres ur problem

doing math

🤮

[lofty depot]

chanceL

[dull dust]

is starfall that poo in keys

unlucky

[lofty depot]

depends

probably like 20% of ur dam

maybe less on lower target count dungeons

[dull dust]

3 pages of soy ec boomkins before chad kotg

disgusting

[lofty depot]

soon there wont be any

[dull dust]

[brittle hearth]

3 target cleave laser chicken like 50k behind the marks, devastation, and devourer. give 'em like +5-6k call it good : P

[modest wagon]

Time to take meteor storm in 10s? Starfall feels like a weird lever to pull and they keep doing it

Guess we just take it

[solid cedar]

The crafted staff at heroic 272 is simming less (within 1k) than Final grade at Hero 276, why would I craft the weapon with embelishment? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/oepQcf6pSwwrfnW9bvMzWd

[lofty depot]

if mobs live long enough meteor storm sint good

[solid cedar]

What do we drop to take Metoer Storm?

[lofty depot]

well u wouldnt craft it at 272

and u dont have it crafted with a embell

soo

[solid cedar]

Just wait to craft it at Mythic?

[lofty depot]

and for some reason ur simming 7m

and ur on weekly and not latest

[lofty depot]

most crafted at 259 first week

then recrafted to 285 when it was possible

u dont waste hero crests on a craft

just go behind a week of crests for fun

[lofty depot]

well ur already taking kindling

so u would swap that talent silly

but u dont drop kindling so

[modest wagon]

Yeah I get cooked seemingly no matter what i do on trash in 8-10s

then pull ahead by like 30% on singletarget on bosses

Incarns never last a full trash pack, could only think of meteor storm to speed up output

or just force my pally tank to man up and start doin 12s with the buffs

[lofty depot]

i doubt thats true on 10s, 8s are w.e.

[cursive mirage]

yeah man moonkin bad inlow keys

gg

[dull dust]

just remove ur pants

[cursive mirage]

play feral

[dull dust]

and half ur gear

[modest wagon]

yeah the 10's are a small pack chainpull issue i think

[lofty depot]

well then yea

[raven obsidian]

It's mastery > haste = crit in raid
And
Mastery >> haste > crit in mm+

[lofty depot]

its probably closer to mastery = haste > crit in m+

but who knows

[raven obsidian]

I have this in raid
Mastery 8xx
Haste 7xx
Crit 650x
And i can replace the neck with the one we can have from pvp quest to have this stats
Mastery 1000
Haste 7xx
Crit 4xx
What do you think ?

[lofty depot]

i did a funny 3t sim for vanguard and it didnt care about the neck change

ddid some more random sims and it was same

ill assume that change is neutral all together

[raven obsidian]

So doesnt matter to switch the neck when im in raid and m+ ?

[lofty depot]

shrug

shouldnt matter, if uwant more mastery take it

[raven obsidian]

I see

Thanks

[stable frigate]

With the starfall buff will starfall be used when there's 2 targets instead of starsurge? Or don't we know yet

[covert coyote]

how do you have over 6500 crit

[lofty depot]

we shall see

need the mathkins to wake up soon

[stable frigate]

Pin it after you did the math ❤️

[lofty depot]

well ive done math

but make somone one double check

[solid cedar]

Is Heart of Wind a better trinket than Soul Catchers Charm ( 3% dmg return)? Not sure of the up time of Heart of Wind. they sim 400 apart.

[lofty depot]

meh, i prefer stats to random damage procs

[solid cedar]

thats how Im leaning.

[dull dust]

https://klipy.com/gifs/orange-cat-gets-flung-and-explodes-funny

[edgy quarry]

Let’s gooooooo

[snow elm]

on a touch the cosmos proc do i always cast starfall

[covert coyote]

depends, are you always aoeing

[lofty depot]

its probably a gain now to do so

and or is a gain just in general with how raid plays

[tender elbow]

Am surprised we got buffed ngl

[glad star]

I was okay with the spot boomie was in, but m+ sometimes felt lackluster

[edgy quarry]

Me too

But for M+ we were behind

[lofty depot]

sure, but wasnt expecting them giving back the nerf they did

[pearl scaffold]

does anyone know whats the best sims for m+ and raid ? in dungeon slice haste always gets the most damage

[lofty depot]

dslice isnt supported

and m+ / aoe sims in general are generally just throwing shit at a wall

[tender elbow]

Really? I was doing semi higher keys and felt I was doing alright

[edgy quarry]

Me too but I felt behind compare to some classes which does more dps with less stuff

I think it’s a good up

[nova latch]

Boomie just does nothing pre 10 and even then its mediocre

It is, like fire mage, made for the highest of high keys

So itll look bad in low pug keys

[tender elbow]

Fair fair.

[livid jay]

this gonna propell us to new levels of pad in raid

[supple haven]

Other major thing with boomy dps in keys is how well/big the tank is pulling/routes - pugs is where its hit and miss but if you play with a premade/same few tanks then you can get into the rhythm of it for CDs

[round field]

tank pulls big u do more dps

https://tenor.com/view/the-universe-tim-and-eric-mind-blown-mind-blown-meme-mind-explosion-mind-explosion-meme-gif-18002878

[dusty sinew]

yeah it does, if the tank do small pulls you do shit as balance, if he does terrorist huge pulls you do "ok" damage

[royal zenith]

yeah you're kinda dumb @round field for not knowing

[round field]

[grizzled dagger]

weird question for the boys im running sims for patchwerk 1/2/5 targets to

all of them are recommending this ring set bonus. is it actually good?

[jaunty blaze]

If numby bigger then take those

[maiden pasture]

Trust the SIM, moonkin stats aren't as simple as "take all haste mastery" like it has been before

[grizzled dagger]

i reran on different builds. 1 build wants the set bonus another doesnt

😄

[jaunty blaze]

Sim will aim to get a chunk of mastery and even out crit and haste

[grizzled dagger]

so prolly some talent based influence

[jaunty blaze]

Can also be margin of error

[royal zenith]

really depends of amount difference ye

if its like 200 dps

who cares

[jaunty blaze]

If percentage number is blue you can vibe it

[drifting nova]

do NOT trust big sim

wait that cant be right

starfall buff

[royal zenith]

[drifting nova]

I WAS ASLEEP

[fossil hemlock]

Am I missing something on the dreamgrove opener? Is there a reason EC casts a starfire before CDs?

[quaint karma]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/tDBqxyMcGbFd7n9Q?fight=5&type=damage-done

[craggy sonnet]

nah, something seems odd with this one

[quaint karma]

Can someone help me figure out why I do so little damage? I feel like I have good uptime but maybe not

[fossil hemlock]

It seems like either an eclipse is missing, or the starfire is a remnant of when eclipse was part of it

Based on kotg not having eclipse or starfire/wrath in the middle, I assume the 2nd

[fossil hemlock]

This should not be the first thing you do in your opener

That's a lot of wraths, and double incarn back to back

[royal zenith]

that opener hurts my soul

deeply

[fossil hemlock]

Genuinely wasn't aware you could do that

[royal zenith]

😭

[quaint karma]

Double incarn is my bad, but do I don’t build AP with wrath?

[fossil hemlock]

You do that before entering incarn if you have to

[craggy sonnet]

if you build ap with wrath

you do so before incarn

[delicate perch]

sometimes you just press incarn surge wrath wrath incarn

it happens

[quaint karma]

So opener bad, but the rest of the fight is all bad as well. What should I be doing?

If it’s all about wrong rotation great, I just feel like I’m not that under geared.

[royal zenith]

well

you're not pressing buttons that do damage a lot

cancelling casts a ton

seems like you're too busy with positioning and mechanics

and forget you're a caster

[bold hazel]

how much % are you bros getting on wednesday?

[royal zenith]

I dunno, you're just not casting

need to press your buttons

[craggy sonnet]

you are also swapping back and forth between lunar and solar and casting the wrong builder inside and im not sure you even intended to be in that respective eclipse at the time

[craggy sonnet]

and just not casting spenders during cds

[royal zenith]

lazy screenshotting..

[quaint karma]

Do I not want to swap to lunar for adds?

Sounds like I’m just bad lol 😂

Anyone know of any coaching?

[cloud lion]

This starfall buff not enough to be on paladins

[obsidian fjord]

same applies for like 3/4 of the specs

if ur guild has good comp just let them kill it and go next wycd

if they dont press vantus and kill boss

[drifting nova]

meme buff for a spell that already does the most

[ornate hare]

What is the second best crated Item after the Weapon?

[brazen mango]

Hey, with the Starfall 16% buff coming up, do we now use Starfall on 2+ targets instead of 3 ?

[misty vapor]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/121880895211831302/1463599501406376070/image0.gif

[cloud lion]

https://tenor.com/view/danny-devito-guns-always-sunny-in-philadelphia-gif-17984271

[misty vapor]

isn't it a 3% buff or somehting on paladins ?

it is still not enough compared to hunters but it is better than nothing, i didn't think we would be getting any buffs, some classes were doing worse than boomie

[drifting nova]

it's a minigame buff

[warped bolt]

Was hoping for some starfire buffs instead of starfall lol, I hate pressing that shi

[maiden pasture]

Starfall buff good for raid

[mighty yew]

best from M+

[maiden pasture]

Starfire buff not very good for raid except like 1 fight mostly

[brazen mango]

Starfall > Starfire

[lament kernel]

what are the best trinkets from mythic +

[brazen mango]

The two from Windrunner I think

[lament kernel]

this makes no sense to me tbf, on the top it says "best gear" but they picked the worst rated trinket lol?

[lucid olive]

whoever wrote that should get shot

[lament kernel]

THX

[spice roost]

is there a weekly cap accountwide on cataylst charges the extra ones with 4p

[lament kernel]

pls explain to me

[royal zenith]

?

[hallow inlet]

Wouldn't recommend trusting any wowhead guides tbh

[royal zenith]

what useful damage do we do with starfall in raid right now

[lament kernel]

@lucid olive wrote it

[royal zenith]

wowhead is fine

all depends on who writes it anyway

[lucid olive]

this guy spittin

[lucid olive]

should be changed now

[lament kernel]

thx bb

can u give me credits

[maiden pasture]

dragons
paladins
aleria adds
beloron adds + eggs
lura adds

[royal zenith]

lura adds

[lucid olive]

okay

[royal zenith]

aight I know enough

[lament kernel]

thx gamz here is the new balance druid expert

[lucid olive]

probably removing the credits in a few hours but its there

[maiden pasture]

the conch whistle is probs D tier after the nerfs aswell or

[lucid olive]

idk

any trinket that isnt vaelgor, alnseer or ribbon is entirely vibe ranked

[maiden pasture]

based

[royal zenith]

btw did you see clecia having his group in a chokehold @lucid olive

[lament kernel]

cant find it

[lucid olive]

in my head everything else is D tier

[lament kernel]

https://tenor.com/view/triste-tristeza-chorando-stan-twt-stantwitter-gif-6094387856936520968

[lucid olive]

nah what happened

[royal zenith]

yeah gamz is right

the rest apart from those 3 is super irrelevant

just equip whatever

[lucid olive]

no padding done

[maiden pasture]

moonkin r1 in the same raid as the char "hatemoonkins" is banger

[royal zenith]

yeah that name is a funny

[pale halo]

So 2 class tunings boomkers get buffed, whats the chance that 3rd one gonna slam us to bottom?

[jaunty blaze]

50/50

[stark meteor]

balance buff in 3 days!!! :D

[drifting nova]

wtf you wouldnt shoot tettles

[red nymph]

have they done any tuning for last boss yet?

[lucid olive]

yeah they made it really hard

[red nymph]

if they are 200 pulls deep, at 61% and their havent been any nerfs.. there is likely not a secret phase

[lucid olive]

okay

[red nymph]

unless they just want an 800 pull boss

[normal pilot]

smh serves them right for doing all those splits

shouldn't have dared blizzard like that

[brittle spire]

yo gamers, what hero talent do we pick for raids and dungeons

[lucid olive]

keeper raid, ec m+

[brittle spire]

ok thanks man

this is gonna be an annoying question

but

whatys the dciffrnence of both hero talents

[lucid olive]

one of them casts treants and wrath and the other one casts fury of elune and starfire

you can look on wowhead, icyveins and the dreamgrove compendium for better explanations

[round field]

What if i play fury of elune with kotg

[lucid olive]

unless someone in chat wants to write a dissertation

[brittle spire]

thanks

il read uo

up

[ionic imp]

Simming my Balance to see if Nexus-Point Ring set makes a difference results in being a 0.1% loss against Crit/Haste and Haste/Mastery ring combo. Any chance I might be simming very wrong?

[lucid olive]

link sim

[ionic imp]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/vKrRgGKLPZm2p9dEdqXex5

[lucid olive]

its probably fine though, just always good to get a second opinion

[fickle grail]

no gem no enchant is sus

on the new ring

[lucid olive]

yeah you didnt have a socket in it

[ionic imp]

Was waiting until I could confirm what's best to socket

Should I just choose gems/enchants on sim page?

Or actually spend money to enchant/gem and then sim?

[normal pilot]

just select on the sim page

[fallow meteor]

Choose enchants and gems on sim page and it will tell you the best ones

[lucid olive]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/8PUCWRuvKVHP2QAtspXQ8p

it says expert mode cause I left in the override lines for next week's starfall and lunar bolt buff

but you can more or less ignore that

[ionic imp]

I'm down for being one step ahead already. That's really good

I'm kinda new to simming, I wanna be able to get the best out of raidbots.

[ionic imp]

Is that Crucible with full Protocols?

[lucid olive]

no clue, probably

[ionic imp]

Aight I need to git gud and improve all my crucibles

[lucid olive]

Honestly got no clue how that trinket works

[normal pilot]

player power from world content just like they promised

[ionic imp]

It's actually a Crit proc that has increased frequency, potency and duration based on how much you dedicate to the weekly quests in Voidstorm

[lucid olive]

the starfall override here is wrong btw, i forgot to change it after someone told me yesterday

I guess I could just rip one of these instead

[drifting nova]

is there catchup, forgot to do last weeks

then again kinda replaced it idk

[ionic imp]

Good question. I see my Maximum Earned this Season: 1 on my alt (Druid)

[drifting nova]

did the voidstorm event like 4x then forgot to do the quest

then replaced it on both chars so

somehow made an event worse than abundance

we really went from cooking in a big pot to this

[ionic imp]

Sadge

[drifting nova]

even the first zone with the assault

was passable

[ionic imp]

Before I forget to ask, any easy reference for a starter like me on how to properly set up raidbots?

[drifting nova]

thought I was alot closer to my goal of 1400 lockboxes..turns out only on like 300

[lucid olive]

Class tuning for April 7th/8th is out

Balance
    Starfall damage increased by 16%.
    Ascendant Eclipses’ Lunar Bolt damage increased by 10%.```
Giving a value on these buffs is difficult since the AoE APL is still lacking, meaning dungeonroute sims are not accurate.

If you want to sim with these changes yourself, you can paste this code into the Footer box in Expert Mode on Raidbots.
```# Starfall 0.2176 -> 0.252416
override.spell_data=effect.280158.sp_coefficient=0.252416

# Lunar Bolt 0.8232 -> 0.90552
override.spell_data=effect.1273712.sp_coefficient=0.90552```
Keep in mind that these overrides can end up being slightly off because of how Blizzard rounds their numbers up or down.

[lucid olive]

there's a bunch of youtube videos that explain it I think

[drifting nova]

minigame change, disregard

is there a compare function on wcl

or do I have to open up 2tabs

nvm found it

[royal zenith]

Im glad you're discovering how the world works kekkers

was about time..

[drifting nova]

na why even bother looking

[ionic imp]

Aight thx

[drifting nova]

2% starfall cast difference

25% damage difference

I've been scammed

[dire berry]

hello! I am using the Gamz UI profile and was wondering if anyone knows how to make the buffs larger in Ayije? Under icon sizes the height option moves them, but the width option does nothing

[drifting nova]

toxic

[lucid olive]

also it's in Buff Groups

click the buff group

[lament kernel]

is it okay now

https://tenor.com/view/triste-tristeza-chorando-stan-twt-stantwitter-gif-6094387856936520968

[lucid olive]

then width/height sizes for icons

specifically this

[dire berry]

TY!!

[normal pilot]

oh it's itsgamz. was gamz taken

[lucid olive]

it always is...

I actually did a key on NA back in Undermine with a warrior called Gamz

[normal pilot]

should've taken his name

[lucid olive]

We were doing a mauler twins bit trying to argue over who the clone was

[lucid olive]

at this point I just default to "itsgamz" as well

just used to it being taken

[digital berry]

In order to sim 2t ss vs fall one would need to change the apl in some way right ?

[lofty depot]

Yessem

[drifting nova]

smh even no combat was are bricked

blizzzzard

[leaden birch]

cool I got the shadow dmg neck off the last boss

can we even do shadow dmg

[wild dune]

uhh the ring combo does shadow damage i think

[leaden birch]

shiettttttttt

[dense steeple]

@lofty depot we got one

we still have crests to send too

[royal zenith]

thats crazy wow

[lofty depot]

That's the other one I need

Locken

[dense steeple]

im debating if i keep trying to get ommission of light to save 20 crests or not lmao

[royal zenith]

you mean occlusion of void

I dont think the hero crest will be that relevant anymore next week

[dense steeple]

yeah thats what i meant

i hate these rings

[lofty depot]

Wait we're farming 9s?

What r we doing man

[dense steeple]

no

?

[royal zenith]

yeah he's farming 9's

[dense steeple]

it was a day 1 push key lmao

[lofty depot]

U have a 2/6

[normal pilot]

unlucky does soma get -1 key level penalty

[lofty depot]

The fuck u doing blud

[dense steeple]

i literally just said

it was a day 1 push key

wqe were pushing up everyones keys

we got a 9 NP

[lofty depot]

Depleting keys is crazy

[dense steeple]

yeah i was PISSED

[lofty depot]

Get a neck too

The fuck we doing

Btw go sim the pit neck

[dense steeple]

big fan of my MT tho

[lofty depot]

Jesus

[dense steeple]

||it was bugged||

none of those deaths counted against the timer

[lofty depot]

What the helly

[dense steeple]

we didnt question it

the tank was made of paper, we chain wiped 6 times

timer didnt have any debuff

so we kept going

[dense steeple]

not gonna happe n

[brittle spire]

ok, first day playing balance, as a elunes chosen in mythic plus do we ever press wrath

[drifting nova]

gib 10

[drifting nova]

no

[dense steeple]

youre not NA

[drifting nova]

the void of 9s is fucked

[dense steeple]

only in single target outside of eclipse

[lost grove]

So the buffs are around 500 ST dps increase with Cosmos?
But 4-5 % in AoE?

[brittle spire]

thanks so i unbind it haha

in raids as keeper, we alternate between both right?

[drifting nova]

no

follow the eclipse

[brittle spire]

but if i dont do thatr and just keep pressing starfall am i fucking up harddd?

[dense steeple]

you should not be starfalling in ST

[craggy sonnet]

he means starfire

[brittle spire]

i mean fire

yea

im first day boomy

cut me some slack twin

[craggy sonnet]

but well .. depends what fucking up is to you

[dense steeple]

sorry we have a lot of goofy ass named spells

[brittle spire]

nah haha im kidding

[dense steeple]

but yeah its not like fucking up HARD

[craggy sonnet]

i think it sims somewhere around 1-2% worse to just starfire

[dense steeple]

but its not ideal either

[craggy sonnet]

not sure

can check

[drifting nova]

was like 0.2% last week

tiny amount

[dense steeple]

inside eclipse you always starfire even in ST

[brittle spire]

ok

[drifting nova]

it also makes no thematic sense

hence the no

I hope to god its remidied going forward

[brittle spire]

i really6 always thought boomy is the hardest spec in the game,suprised how fast i managed to pick it up

[dense steeple]

baseline, its not hard

mastering the knowledge of how we have multiple systems stackign together to determine what button to press is the hard part

[brittle spire]

in a ST what spender do i use?

starsurge or fall

[craggy sonnet]

gotta be a troll

[drifting nova]

by default almost all combo classes are harder (atleast to me)

[craggy sonnet]

to think boomie is hardest

[dense steeple]

cause most specs are just "2 targets press button 2 instead of button 1"

but we have "well in this specific scenario you want to press button 1 instead of 2 despite button 2 normally beign the default for this buff cycle"

[drifting nova]

it has way too many dps traps in it

for someone to decipher HOW to do damage

[dense steeple]

in ST always surge, UNLESSS you have a proc for a free spender

[drifting nova]

shit like that just shouldnt exist idk

[dense steeple]

i dont disagree

[brittle spire]

ok thanks

last questionm then ill watch a guide

why do we have the same abilityy twice?

[dense steeple]

incarn is the big CD

eclipse is the little cd

[craggy sonnet]

good question tho

ask dev making funny systems

[dense steeple]

dreamgrove.gg has a good written guide

you can also find that in the pins

[brittle spire]

ok thans

[craggy sonnet]

but the actual answer is that celestial alignment / incarn is supposed to be a supercharged eclipse - gives you both variations of eclipse + the bonuses attached to that and additional haste/crit

[brittle spire]

yea i understand, but like it does the same thing just one comes back faster the other in 2 mins?

[drifting nova]

I still dont really know the difference between ca and incarn

[craggy sonnet]

no they are vastly different in power

[drifting nova]

the fact its even a question

[craggy sonnet]

ok, read the talent then?

[drifting nova]

I can read a spanish sentence

[dense steeple]

if only kekkers was NA

[drifting nova]

doesnt mean I speak spanish

[drifting nova]

not doing 10 last week fucked me smh

[dense steeple]

tru

[craggy sonnet]

doesnt seem to be spanish

[drifting nova]

9s dont exist, done all the 8s and cant get to 10 (or get a tank to join my 10)

[merry wigeon]

can someone link me the best M+ build at the moment for balance idk if the one im using is correct my st is through the roof but my aoe is lackin

[brittle spire]

ok i swear to god

[drifting nova]

the only real difference used to be the armour but that was robbed

[drifting nova]

meirl, I knew I wasnt crazy

[brittle spire]

last question but what exactly is the purpose of thiws\

[dense steeple]

youre probably using it, come back tuesday when 16% starfall buff hit

[craggy sonnet]

defensive

[drifting nova]

there is no purpose , we lost renewal (a 30% hp heal) for it

its a dogshit defensive

renewal clears it

[dense steeple]

big defensive when used correctly

[merry wigeon]

is our aoe just that bad lol

[drifting nova]

I swear it is

[brittle spire]

ok

thanks

[dense steeple]

yes

[craggy sonnet]

not like i just linked a screenshot showing the diff

[dense steeple]

best use of it is to go bear form first

[drifting nova]

yeah but then we return to the problem of "I do no dam in bear"

[craggy sonnet]

you can leave bear

[merry wigeon]

im currently 272 with 4 set and it just feels bad lol for aoe

[dense steeple]

you pop bear, you use heart you go back

[drifting nova]

and if you're going bear you more often than not need regne too

[dense steeple]

it retains the buff

[drifting nova]

heart itself doesnt fix you

it's a shitter rally

[craggy sonnet]

30% hp is a rather big buffer

[dense steeple]

no damage going out right now is percentage based, gaining a flat 30% more hp is huge

[drifting nova]

so buy better healers, got it

[dense steeple]

if you were getting into 12s and 13s youd get it

[drifting nova]

I would still massively prefer renewal over this dog hotw

it's everything wrong with defensives for chicken

blizzard caught the meme of going into bear and doing no dam and said bet, now you have to

to get ANY defensive

[sleek dirge]

Hello, new question !
Now that Liadrin has been kind enough and we have the 2nd Spark :

Do we wait and spend crests on myths items from Vault ?
Do we craft a new 285 with crests ?
Bracers, Gloves, or Cloak ? (yes currently depends on me, but longterm?)

[lofty depot]

The craft is glove because of crest efficiency on better stat items

U can craft it to 259 then recraft it to myth track later

[sleek dirge]

because there's the thing that a full 6/6 myth is 289 ?
because the bracers and cloaks have smaller stats so there's less stats "lost"

[lofty depot]

No

It crafts to 285

[sleek dirge]

exactly so you lose 4 ilvl to a regular myth piece

wouldnt that be better on a smaller stat item ?

[lofty depot]

Not if ur spending myth crests

Ur then spending crests on an item with less stats

[sleek dirge]

mmh then the correct play is hold the myth crests and wait and right now craft with hero crests ?

[lofty depot]

Do not craft with hero

Then ur wasting crests when u recraft it to myth

[fading oak]

The M+ build doesnt allow us into solar eclipse, but it does put you in it during CA, Should I be using wrath during the CA window or should i stick to starfire, assume single target

[lofty depot]

And u cap out on ability to upgrade hero items weekly

[lofty depot]

Starfire

[fading oak]

thank you

[lofty depot]

Read ur hero talents

[obsidian tapir]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-eating-chips-ruffles-gif-14463196142116853520

[lofty depot]

Read the guide while ur at it

[merry wigeon]

the 16% buff on starfall gonna be significant enough ?

[sleek dirge]

and so just to be sure i understand the reasoning, gloves is the best answer because its the biggest of the "small items" to spend myth crests on right now

[lofty depot]

Significant enough for what

[lofty depot]

Correct

[merry wigeon]

too make our aoe competitive

[lofty depot]

The tier gloves have bad stats

And gloves or boots and something else assume cloak are the same stat weight

[drifting nova]

wish the secondary starfall stuff was buffed

[sour basin]

Belt

[drifting nova]

not itself

[obsidian tapir]

depends what does that mean ? will you do higher keys then 17 ?

[lofty depot]

Competitive to MM hunters, no

[sleek dirge]

gloves = boots = belt > cloak = bracers

[lofty depot]

Competitive in m+, there's still likely 5 specs better

[lofty depot]

Sure. Just easy to add all the items and see which one

But yea gloves vs bracer is like 0.2% better

[analog moat]

I’m curious if we will swap to starfall on two targets with the change cause tab swapping dragons is a pain.

[digital berry]

Well people do be falling on that fight

[snow elm]

Wait what’s the starfall minimum target count

[digital berry]

3 according to dg

[lofty depot]

2 on vibes tho

[devout thistle]

if target isn't dotted or my dots run out do I recast the dots during eclipse?

[lofty depot]

Preferably before

[digital berry]

If they live for a sensible amount of time sure

[lofty depot]

But u can after dumb asp I believe

[digital berry]

If they will die in 4 seconds it’s a waste of a gcd

With the mastery change

[lofty depot]

Probably waste at 5 too 👀

[digital berry]

I mean it’s hard to truly gage how much longer the target will live, it’s all just vibes

If tank is chain pulling you are dumping asp and dotting every time tho inside eclipse

[devout thistle]

ok, thanks

[regal knoll]

should we use dungeon slice for m+

[digital berry]

Should not

[regal knoll]

in raidbots

[digital berry]

The apl is not upkept

There is currently no realiable way to sim m+

[dull dust]

soon tm

[lofty depot]

I will be deleting the apl for dslice

Grow up

[drifting nova]

kept

[obsidian tapir]

any addon / bar to add to you screen so people know what buttons you press ?

[lofty depot]

U mean a gcd tracker or

[obsidian tapir]

yes sir someone was asking to see what I press and I saw it on gamz one time

like this one above his details

[royal zenith]

didnt details have something similar

[obsidian tapir]

hmm dunno let me see

[royal zenith]

it used to have a streamer mode

[lucid olive]

yeah it is details streamer mode

[lucid olive]

[obsidian tapir]

thank you so much guys ❤️

[royal zenith]

[timber python]

i keep purple parsing but grey parsing for ilvl. am i dogshit

[analog moat]

They will tell you level parses don’t matter.

[digital berry]

If it’s heroic it probably just means your team is blowing adds up

[timber python]

yeah it is hero

[digital berry]

To parse in heroic you need a dogshit group that does 0 add dmg

[royal zenith]

if you want better ilvl parses, just unequip your neck piece

if it's that important

[timber python]

ok thanks fellas, saved my ego

[digital berry]

Is there even a pure st fight this tier ?

[lucid olive]

give it a few weeks and its all of them

[dense steeple]

Lura

[dull dust]

do it

need slice to work for route to work

I think

or assume

[normal pilot]

nah

if anything you can ignore dslice it's fundamentally problematic

droute is much better

[lucid olive]

route > slice

[dull dust]

yeah but in the apl if one works the other should right?

not that its a good tool

thats besides the point

[normal pilot]

anyone playing at at level where simming for m+ makes a difference should be willing to take the effrot to make a droute

working for droute doesn't mean it'll work for dslice

[dull dust]

[normal pilot]

most spec can be made to work for droute with some effort, but many will enver work on dslice without entire rewrites

[dull dust]

dslice "works" rn

[lucid olive]

literally all the AoE APL needs is limiter for Moonfire

and it's good enough for dungeonroute

[dull dust]

slowly been adding stuff in

[lucid olive]

it doesn't really matter much if it's sending CDs at end of packs or whatever

though that probably affects some talent choices if you're simming talents

[dull dust]

I can work on it tonight

should have something semi reasonable after

[timber python]

so hopping back to the previous convo, basically every raid fight i wanna be in cleave as boomie yeah? almost every fight has adds/multi boss

[dull dust]

every fight

theres no basicly

unluxky

[lucid olive]

depends how much your team are killing adds i guess

but yeah you can run cleave talents on every boss this tier

and the difference won't be enormous

[timber python]

thank you

[dull dust]

how do

btw

[lucid olive]

if i knew that i woulda done it already!!

[dull dust]

@normal pilot

[lucid olive]

there is no way to get the target count for Moonfire 100% accurate

[dull dust]

surely u just stop when one of them remains less then 3

if thats possible

[lucid olive]

i presume its active_targets or something right

[normal pilot]

ya you can get the # of targets available currently

[lucid olive]

but the way Junda did it back in SL before the Sunfire/Moonfire mastery was to calculate it in spreadsheet and then doing a ton of different target count sims to confirm the result

[lofty depot]

This is what happens when u allow people options and choice

[dull dust]

[lofty depot]

They start doing stupid shit on accident or on purpose

[dull dust]

mage just does 1t5m and 5t 5m

[normal pilot]

active_enemies is the current count

[lofty depot]

Like men

Mmhm mmhm

[dull dust]

but how do I get the count of targets with moonfire active

[normal pilot]

active_dot.moonfire

[dull dust]

bless

MD route will work tommorow

or I'll ping u at 4am

[lofty depot]

I will tell everyone some moronic mage thought it would be funny

Don't trust, just like bloodmallet

[dull dust]

then i wont do it then

!!!

[lofty depot]

Down with chancel

[dull dust]

I should probably do some st stuff aswell

[lofty depot]

Now we're talking

[normal pilot]

st is cope aoe padding is winning

[craggy sonnet]

Smh, didn't you read the passive_asp variable recently?

[dull dust]

ive blocked it out of my mind like a bad dream

[obsidian tapir]

what are they doing for that long lol

[craggy sonnet]

Unfort

[dull dust]

I should put that in tho

it'll matter in aoe sims a lot

[lucid olive]

chilling

[dull dust]

explaining all of Warhammer lore

[dense steeple]

Theyre just keeping the streak

[royal zenith]

move them to the chicken roost

[normal pilot]

chickens are dead and fried

[lucid olive]

if only there was a mod here..

i heard the last guy quit

[royal zenith]

smart move

mental > all

[dull dust]

soon tm

[lucid olive]

yeah dont blame him

[dense steeple]

I wouldve yoinked their streak 2000 hours ago tbh

Thats the real reason I wasnt granted mod after my interview

[lucid olive]

is there an interview

[digital berry]

When is my interview

[royal zenith]

not really

soma just wants to sound interesting

(now you know why he didnt get mod)

(powertripper)

[lucid olive]

[dense steeple]

I embellish all my stories

Its kind of a personality trait

[dull dust]

mod when

[dense steeple]

Nah i would just nuke little things to ruin fun

[royal zenith]

dunno how you are proud of that though

or is that "cool"

[dull dust]

if im mod we bring back emotes

[royal zenith]

also dont really think #balance needs a mod anyway

[dull dust]

vote for me

[royal zenith]

apart from who we have rn

it's pretty mellow compared to what it was

[dull dust]

(we wont its a lie for votes)

[lucid olive]

Do not let dreamgrove gaslight you
We are gods
Other specs got no chance
We are top of dps
Our defensives are giga
Healer cds are not needed

[dull dust]

where's the gaslight

[digital berry]

Tbh I haven’t seen much drama here since season launch

No name calling

[royal zenith]

yeah but

[digital berry]

Slur slinging

[royal zenith]

with the AOE buff, we'll get more m+'ers

[lucid olive]

despite @lofty depot best efforts

[royal zenith]

so

things are bound to be spicey next few weeks..

[lucid olive]

oh yeah love the minigamers

[dull dust]

People gunna realize chickens good in high keys

[lucid olive]

when we were meta in season 2

so good

[royal zenith]

I was running convoke manual mushroom EC in keys today

thoughts?

[lucid olive]

"hey i struggle with rotation can anyone look over my log?"
and its a +18

[dull dust]

are u doing 5s

[royal zenith]

10's!

[lucid olive]

manual mushroom EC sounds so bad

[royal zenith]

try it out

[dull dust]

hey u can be in high keys and still suck

[royal zenith]

you'll be amazed

[lucid olive]

yeah but there was just so many of them

[dull dust]

I know a few people who just play the game enough they eventually get carried

[digital berry]

I’m not switching over to analog mushrooms ain’t no way

[royal zenith]

your loss

dont sim manual mushroom on a 40sec fight then

[lucid olive]

and then you tell them about how to play around dreamstate and some guy say its not needed because he timed a 22

season 2 was so much fun

[dull dust]

does shrooms even work at 40s properly

[royal zenith]

why is the APL writer asking me this

thonking

[dull dust]

gamz writes the apl

[lucid olive]

arcane intellect provider

[dull dust]

I just do on tv

[royal zenith]

[dull dust]

thats my narritive

then i blame him if it explodes

[dense steeple]

Cause hes a mage

[royal zenith]

fair point

[dull dust]

ain't nothing rn

[lofty depot]

People are getting used to this abrasion, need to start being rougher

[lofty depot]

Love me some tech

[dull dust]

bro why does our 2t blow so hard

[fair pasture]

NICE

[lofty depot]

It's not like 3t any better

[dull dust]

True bring back hardcast dot

[lofty depot]

Real cool we can allow mm to stay in such a state, and moonkin needed to be nerfed before rwf

[dull dust]

mm is disgusting ngl

[fair pasture]

the hunter meters every time i look at liquid stream are funny

smalarkus must feel real good

[royal zenith]

Smilarkus??

almost tempting to level a hunter

[lucid olive]

my hunter hasnt been max lvl since shadowlands

[digital berry]

Hunter seems fun to play as long as it’s not bm

God bm was so boring in tww

[dull dust]

survival is fun

other 2 are 1 thought per sometimes

[lucid olive]

I played a bunch of hunter in Sepulcher but haven't played it since tbh

MM is fun though so I might pick it up

the archer sniper fantasy best part of hunter

[digital berry]

Yeah that’s what I’d like about it

[fossil hemlock]

Have you smart people had any thoughts yet on the starfall buff affecting starweaver prio or if we swap to starfall at 2 instead of 3 targets?

[dull dust]

3t

[digital berry]

Bm is literally just kc spam and you don’t even see anything happening apart from your character model raising they hand

[lucid olive]

can you send me that sim

[fossil hemlock]

So nothing really changes except number go up?

I can live with that

[brittle spire]

is this a skill i wanna spam or use one time and wait until the "zone" is done casting then use a second one>

[dull dust]

sure

[digital berry]

How close are the numbers for 2t sf ss

[fossil hemlock]

It stacks

[brittle spire]

how many times?

[lucid olive]

spam

stacks up to 20

you will never hit that

[fossil hemlock]

As many as you can, assuming mobs live

[digital berry]

Impossible to reach cap

[royal zenith]

you know

they should make talents affect how starfall works

and bring it back to one use, not stacking

[digital berry]

Give me starfall instant dump

[royal zenith]

increased damage if diameter is halved

[digital berry]

Meteor talent should make starfall do its full dmg immediately

[royal zenith]

do we have any rules on how many starfalls you would want to stack to max out value anyway

or like a minimum

[fossil hemlock]

Probably 1 is a good minimum for doing damage

[lofty depot]

All of them

[royal zenith]

you're meming but it helps new players a lot if you tell them to aim for 3 to 4 starfalls in AOE situations

[fossil hemlock]

3-4 sounds about right for m+ as a minimum, since that's what a full AP bar gets you with improved incarn

[royal zenith]

also makes people aware of planning out cd usage/button presses

[lofty depot]

If u rather say 4 and they can never cast after 4.... I rather say all ur asp generated rather than give a strict number. Because then they will stop at said strict number

[royal zenith]

don't know if I agree with that

but sure

also not saying we should have a minimum, was just curiosity from my side

I just vibe-spend my ASP on starfalls anyway

[lofty depot]

Mmhm mmhm

[royal zenith]

do think you can calculate this shit

@dull dust when is your dungeonroute sim ready??

[lofty depot]

Probably but it's likely not a noticeable difference

[royal zenith]

smh

yeah but if it's not noticable, it's also not important to stack

[lofty depot]

Actually, weaver would be

Idk I see more people use rattle higher up, but if ur weaver it's more prio

[royal zenith]

weaver is overrated..

[lofty depot]

So maybe a few 0.1's higher

[fossil hemlock]

Weaver is fun

Overrated maybe, but fun

[royal zenith]

I think it's a very annoying talent

[dull dust]

3-6 business days

[royal zenith]

super inconsistent and why am I pressing starfall in ST situations

cause of dumb ass procs

subjective ofc

[lofty depot]

Ud have to write the line for stellaramp at certain time left, then spend if u didnt

[royal zenith]

I should learn how to write apl myself

how far is claude/ai?

[lucid olive]

no clue how good claude is, but gpt sucks at it

i think you kinda need to teach the AI how APL works first

at least lead it to the right sources and examples

[normal pilot]

gpt is pretty bad. claude/gemini better

[royal zenith]

mhm

on simple multi-target sims, it's keeping it on a consistent 3 starfalls

[lucid olive]

thats 150 AP thats pretty good

[royal zenith]

okay KOTG is doing some weird shenanigans in multi target long sims

(wrathing with 8T up)

EC is also easier with reaching multiple stacks of starfalls

[quartz void]

More dmg per Astral Power spent

[royal zenith]

okay good to know

[royal zenith]

also a good one

one big phat 120 asp starfall

[quartz void]

Indeed and then refill AP bar then boom another phat 120 starfall

[royal zenith]

I dunno, Im just thinking of how you can make starfall more useful in raid

[exotic perch]

thats what fury of elune used to be

it was like breath of sindy

[royal zenith]

cause it's annoying to stack up starfalls

when there's short add-cleave burst moments

[royal zenith]

FoE is also just tinnnnnyyyyy aoe tho

but yea

oh used to be

mb

[quartz void]

Just use Meteor Storm

[royal zenith]

you and I both know meteor storm is cope

[quartz void]

Meteor Storm is big value on first boss at least

Even Vorasius

[royal zenith]

not saying it's bad, don't get me wrong

but it won't compete with burst other classes have

[lofty depot]

I can't run meteor storm on vorasius cuz that shit does too fast

[quartz void]

But could just be baseline :D

[royal zenith]

just makes it less painful

[lofty depot]

Killing adds bad

[quartz void]

Ahhh yeah fair

But don't die that fast in Mythic

[lofty depot]

Dragons good

[dense steeple]

Yes they do

[royal zenith]

they die pretty fast in mythic too

same with saladbar

[exotic perch]

lemme say it

[quartz void]

Maybe I just in shit guild

[lofty depot]

They do if u know how to press ur buttons and have others doing so as well

[royal zenith]

or voidorbs if your group presses buttons

[exotic perch]

small adds in boss encounters are poor designs

[royal zenith]

on dragons

I agree

[quartz void]

Yeah in my guild takes 20 seconds to kill them

[digital berry]

Small adds should never count on logs

[lofty depot]

R1 ezpz

[dense steeple]

Its the same as the other fights in this raid, if youre not prio adds, youre wrong

[quartz void]

How will boomies parse then?

On ST?

[lucid olive]

do you have the quick sim

[lofty depot]

U can also tell that on dragons

U r1 if u don't have 2 bdks

[digital berry]

You parse against other boomies ?

[quartz void]

Yeah but then I won't see myself on meters/logs after fight

[royal zenith]

it's a weird-ass sim

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ahNRibBNKLb8YBV3jHG5XQ

cause I was just doing random stuff

[digital berry]

Change meters to boss dam

[lofty depot]

Parses are vs ur spec silly

And we did just fine in tww s3

[dense steeple]

Delete warcraftlogs tbh

[digital berry]

Fuck no I need to stroke my ego

[dense steeple]

Im so tired of hearing "how am I supposed to parse"

[exotic perch]

nah its not a wcl problem

[quartz void]

Yeah I know but just don't wanna be behind all the other specs and skipped S3 TWW so kinda missed out I suppose

[lofty depot]

Funneling is only allowed to cool specs

[exotic perch]

its a fact that they keep making boss fights with shitter adds

[dense steeple]

Curb the ego, kill the boss. Do your job

[quartz void]

Ofc but on reclear press starfall, pad the meters and still kill boss ;)

Big E-peen

[lofty depot]

The problem is the "shitter" part

They should scale with ilvl

So we don't kill them too fast mmhm mmhm

[dense steeple]

The only thing you need for e peen is "did boss die? Did i die? Along as its yes no then cool you won

[lofty depot]

End of tier becomes which melee can slam faster

[exotic perch]

nah they just need to be real adds

like not 1m hp

give them 15mill

[lofty depot]

This tier gonna be which dev dh, prepped into a star at th right time

[exotic perch]

and not be a dumb mechanic where they need to die in 3 secs

[quartz void]

I want Primal Council back tbh

[lofty depot]

That's what I said tho

If they start at 1m HP when ur 250... They should have 3m when ur 285 or some shit 🙂

[royal zenith]

when you watch your devourer's pov on dragonboss

and they send collapsing star straight into voidorbs

still top boss damage

[lofty depot]

Yep

[royal zenith]

life is great

[lofty depot]

Great class

[brittle spire]

do i wanna ever use eclipse and incarn (in the pic) together

[lofty depot]

Might have to swap

[digital berry]

Can’t

[dense steeple]

Incarn supersedes eclipse

[brittle spire]

oh ur right xd

[digital berry]

Well you can cancel eclipse with incarn

[lofty depot]

Well u can press eclipse prior

[quartz void]

Can use Eclipse into Incarn

[digital berry]

Can’t vice versa

[quartz void]

And waste eclipse

[lofty depot]

But it's not an increase

[royal zenith]

technically it's overwriting..

[brittle spire]

so how do i use them?>

[quartz void]

Also what it take for us to get ST buffs?

[royal zenith]

not cancelling...

[dense steeple]

We just got a st buff

This tuesday

[lofty depot]

U can cancel incarn 🙂

[digital berry]

Incarn eclipse eclipse incarn generally

[quartz void]

Need more not Starfall buffs

[royal zenith]

need more God

[digital berry]

Need a full reword

Rework

[brittle spire]

ok act like im new to boomy xd

[quartz void]

Also remove GCD on Eclipse

[warm atlas]

or remove eclipse entirely

[digital berry]

Eclipse having that funky shirt gcd pisses me off

[quartz void]

Buff dmg remove eclipse

[lucid olive]

nah man yall cooking

[quartz void]

I'm just cooked in the brain

[royal zenith]

I don't notice the short gcd at all

[digital berry]

Good cooking or bad cooking

[lucid olive]

the real tech is to enter Lunar, press Wrath, enter Solar and then press Incarn

[nova ocean]

Does anyone know how that .5 change to meteorites has panned out

[royal zenith]

no idea why this affects you so badly

[lucid olive]