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Well Im just doing heroic later tonight, would you run it there?
On heroic adds probably just implode
yeah I just slam boss damage on heroic
the Wraths might
the Starsurges are always on your main target
yeah but not like 5 of them
This is the idea, but not always true. At the end of ca if u 2 eclipse charges, u send regardless of asp
Like every boss lol
Vaelgors for orb spawns, chimaerus if ur first down,
First boss is add spawn timjngs
the Moonfire cast shouldn't replace a Starsurge cast, but the Moonfire cast is also not guaranteed I think
at least that's what I gather from looking at the sheet
Vorasius ur getting only 4 uses on CA so u hold ur 2m one til 3m add spawn
Ohhh that’s how you pad on that boss
There's even more tech actually
But its super secret and I haven't r1 yet so I'm not gonna tell u
Maybe next week
Remember that it is kind of hard for people here to give good advice on heroic raid since people's experience on heroic differs a lot based on the rest of your team
oh thats good to know, so no spending to max AP if you have 2 eclipse charges
Chimaerus tech needs to be fiund
So couple questions about cooldown windows:
As an Eclipse/Incarn buff is falling off but you still have time on Starlord should you recast Eclipse/Incarn to keep the damage from that rolling? Or wait and pool asp and as soon as Starlord falls off go into another eclipse/incarn window?
If you’re playing with Convoke, should get full stacks of Starlord before hitting Convoke?
Getting the MC thing is giga parse
Like personally I can just slam the same braindead Convoke build on every boss cause I know it won't matter since my team is good enough that the bosses get oneshot anyway, but that's obviously not true for everybody
Chimaeras I assume you just open with eclipse if you go down first
No u spend at the end of ca
you can
also just for parses
Starlord resets if u eclipse/incarn again
you wanna stop dmg on the big add downstairs anyway eventually
Depending if u have time on ur charges u can build asp
If u have 2 charges of eclipse, u send eclipse regardless of asp
you dont just spend a CA charge on pull and use the 2nd when you go down?
No
that would mean sending CA without treants
No trinket either
okay, so you just use an eclipse on pull if you go down first
Sending a natty ca sounds beans
I was gonna tech some shit and use wraps
But decided against it
Then again in heroic you might not get a whole lot of value from that since adds die super fast
I'm just tunneling boss on Chimaerus on downstairs phase tbh
little adds get blown up insta and need to stop dam on big add
Understood. So you shouldn’t wait for Starlord to run out, build enough asp to get right back into Starlord hit Eclipse/Incard and the 3 Starsurges to build back Starlord stacks?
best way to do the fight innit
bro what just tell ur raid to stop hitting small adds 4head
There’s no benefit to letting starlord run out
There is not a single reason to do it if you’re planning on entering eclipse / ca anyway
you time the shield breaking on the big add with your debuff running out
so that he phases topside with you
U only let starlord run out if u have time to do so
Again, if u have max charges or not doing thag
then stops moving for the Consume cast with your entire guild hitting him instead of only half of them at a time
If u don't u can build then go into eclipse surr
gains you a ton of boss dmg as well since tanks never have to move the boss to kite the mob + melee gets full uptime
sounds like a lot of coordination and timing for a shitty easy boss
not really
considering how easy it is, yes really
the only difficult part of chimaerus is relying on your mages to kick
Idk anything to make strats more reliable and repeatable is a good idea in my book
No variance
just hit buttons get kicks win fight idk
So not looking to let it run out but if I have 10seconds on Starlord as Elcipse runs out just wanting to know if I should just be sending Eclipse right away or taking advantage of the Starlord Haste for that additional 10seconds.
sure im not saying its worse to do that overall
just doesnt seem like good bang for buck value y'know
overcooking
just hit the add and then hit the boss when its dead
If you’re on 2/2 eclipse charges you send eclipse cause you’re wasting cd. If not, you can build some asp before pressing it
Well u don't have 10s of starlord u have 5
Unless ur playing incredibly bad
U might have less depending on the timing of ur other asp spends
Lowkey sending 3 spenders at the start of any eclipse is so easy there isn’t much of a reason to sweat over starlord
it's not overcooking when you have to kill the boss in splits with different setups and you wanna guarantee no accidental wipes
on a real note can we start like a prayer group in here and just channel our energy into hoping for vaelgors trinket in every single boomy's box
Ok. Makes sense. So really looking to optimize uptime on Incan/Eclipse is more of a priority than uptime on Starlord.
if you want to just kill it in a pug and fuck off then sure that's different
can pad all you want in random pugs
Sounds good. What about when playing Convoke? Should you be in Starlord before hitting Convoke? Or let Convoke get you into Starlord and then dumping Starsurge after?
If every boomkin gets mythic/heroic vaelgors before me I can't parse so no
we all get it same time
Convoke doesn’t benefit from haste
next week every boomy gets atleast heroic version in vault
U should dump asp prior to convoke but it has nothing to do with starlord
It's mythic or I take sockey
Who's the patron saint of Boomkins?
dawg im sitting on champ track gaze and rep trinket still
Tettles
who tf is lorgok
I passed on normal yday
I have a normal kne
Are u ragebaiting
Sounds good. So Trees >Incarn>Dump Asp>Convoke>Dump new Asp would be a typical cooldown window rotations.
Isn’t lorgok Hella problematic or smth
weirdly everyone else passed aside from friend who was like 240 on mage
no im not a fkin 15 year boomy player
didnt it take you 55 pulls
ask him youreslf he's about
Lorgok is the goat
Might be confusing him for someone else
thought the boss was so easy..
master puzzle solver
Is that your onion or
yeah probly, my guild being bad doesnt mean the boss isnt easy
is that why you were sat on vorasius
not like i raid in a hof guild
It’s my potato
no i was sat vorasius because i just joined them
lkiterally tuesday
then i was brought for chimaerus which ive alrdy killed in a diff guild
to be fair I came across probably the best pug I've ever been in
i mean youre trying to catch me out being a weirdo but yes we failed to kill chimaerus in 2 hours personally to me thats bad
three wipes on the dragons, none for the next two(?) bosses, two wipes on allergies
2 hours is fine for a first kill
alleria, allergies, close enough
and it's not like balance druid carries that fight
I dunno, might wanna pipe it down
we DIDNT kill it and didnt even make it out of 1st intermission
or?
in 2 hours
what difficulty?
lfr
On wclogs?
and remember
no, ingame, wanna duplicate ec for a pvp build
lfr is like purgatory

?
I'd run your guild
that doesnt make any sense whatsoever and you know it lmao

who want me (bottom 3% on the two dragons fight) ❤️
If i played league ranked id be challenger guys
im choosing to be in a guild that i want to be in
has friends in it
idc to push hof ive done that
it sucks
If only my grandmaster in hots transferred
rather do keys
team liquid let me know
chimaerus is mechanically very easy thats just how it be
Minigamer calling guild members bad 
🤝
pvp is so dead holy
I dunno, chim can be a pain in the ass if you dont have enough interrupts, grips, yadda yadda
me when I have to bear consume
yeah its a comp heavy fight
it can suck in eu pugs especially
im only somewhat useful when he spawns all the adds
bottom 6%. not to brag.
7 different languages and I only raid at like 5am CEST
okay stop capping
top 6% in a different direction some might say
thats pretty goated
ngl
world rank 1000 sneaking in the easiest hall of fame ever talking about how easy the boss is

they wanna be me
yeah i personally think the boss is easy as fuck
give this man a true...
jajas griefed a key by chain dying and refused to abandon

Chim is an easy mythic boss yes
But its still a mythic boss
Cant disrespect the encounter and expect to kill it

also how hard is the timewalking ragnaros fight
Okay okay, Im just baiting at this point
legit takes 20 seconds
It dies in 15 seconds
YAY no mechanics
YAY some mechanics
is there any way to more concretely track your m+ performance or is it just the score on warcraftlogs
The score on wclogs is the least concrete way to track your performance
press I and go to mythic+ score
oh shit im 1825
if number go up = its good
yay
real
most keys arent even logged anyways
is there any way to get different secondary stats on tier pieces
Nope
no
Ope
🧑🦲

smh it only had 1300? terrible discord
probably mostly bots too
https://raider.io/characters/cn/burning-blade/Jeannelin
interesting one of the higher key balance druids running keeper
not actually running keeper in keys
probably logged out in it
^
none of their keys are keeper
raid build then?
argh..
to see the talents they run in keys u gotta open up their keys below
and see individually
Starweaver VS Ratltle // Whats your pick and why? I followed grove build but when i reviewed keys on logs i see most seem to play Rattle. I think Starweaver is gigapump on for example DMG amp in Nexus, I've reach 350k dps there. But whats your thought guys?
or is it just more interactive with the procs?
i mean rattle, thats the reason maybe?
isnt rattle best for pure st tho
Rattle with Convoke yes
i was never given that qualification from who i was told when to use it by
thats all
didnt know
glad to see i wasnt totally inting then
only .3% inting
Incarn prefers Starweaver cause its higher uptime on Eclipse and a more flat dmg profile
Convoke prefers Rattle in general cause it's more upfront dmg + Convoke already gives you average 6-7 seconds of Solstice
so in theory would you say starweaver is better for overalls in m+ in lower target count dungeons compared to rattle?
like seat for example
i tried it there and it felt terrible but maybe i didnt give it a fair shake
yeah EC with Rattle better for higher pull counts for sure
and Keeper Weaver better on ST and boss
no clue which one is better in general for lower pull count dungeons but those are generally their strengths
i only do like 115k in skyreach and its kinda variable in seat depending on the route but still noticeably lower than others
EC is also the highest simming in ST though so who knows really
if someone made a dungeonroute APL you could sim it
what about EC weaver vs EC rattle
lmao ive been defaulting to ec rattle bc i dont like starweaver for m+ so far every time ive tried it
not fully convinced starweaver is worse though
im probably just a hater because im not used to it
starweaver worse for EC yeah
too easy to overcap AP
too much random passive AP gen
but doesnt proc stellar amp as someone said a few weeks ago
yeah you just do that natty with spending starsurge
wtf 2 starsurges
need 4 starsurges to max it
how is that greedy
its not like it's a mandatory talent
but the other choices in middle section of the tree are all kinda shit
More AP gen in a build that is like perma capping you?
https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/druid/balance/elunes-chosen/EASEAQFAEkVVVZFQkVUBQCBENVRRVUFJGIRVUdDEQAFVVVVUBR this is what im generally running
Stellar Amp increases Starfall damage as well..
in keys
only if u actually press starsurge
imagine starsurging in aoe ew
couldnt be me
been thinking about astral communion tho too tbh
the extra max ap prevents overcapping although that is just a stopgap for poor play usually
actually wonder if meteorites has good value in skyreach and seat
with starweaver
meteorites is a single target talent
loses immense value whenever there are other entities nearby
also SOTF seems like extra bad if you also have active shrooms
less globals spent on Starfire means less value for SOTF
just take the possible double eclipse talent and get proc on every eclipse
thats a good point tbh
time to yeet sotf i guess
id swap out the shrooms for natures grace or elunes challenge i think
or just go sunseeker
active shrooms with all the dmg mods from the EC tree it doesn't get affected by sounds like shit
id run active shrooms or no shrooms personally, active is way better than passive in my experience cuz u actually get the dmg on all the mobs reliably
istg passive shrooms only proc when the mobs are dead or dying
think ima swap sotf for astral communion in more aoe centric keys and stellar amp in lower target counts
maybe go starweaver in those low target counts too
to lean into it more
thanks for the input and thoughts
got stuff to try
maybe if i talent right ill time a 17 sr soon :D
wait OR i could drop shrooms for astral communion instead of dropping sotf in aoe
since as u said shrooms arent buffed in ec
this is tech for sure
U definitely do that tho
dark moon
Hunt presumably
should i try and get a myth crest before crafting order-ing one?
What's the numerical value with Shooting Stars in terms of its frequency?
U can recraft it if u want
i've got a +11 pits in the bags
You’ll need more than one key to get enough crests for a myth craft
It’s 80 crests
A chance
80 crests wtf
bring back pulsar
Do not
Truuuuuue 
would sparks of radiance be worth to replace these
though sparks only bring it up to 252(?)
try the pvp channel
he didn't have to delete his message..
What'd you say to them?
he wanted pvp advice
Oh yeah I figured we just booted those guys from the server
I recommend doing so
On alleria hc on 2nd phase with simulacrum we Starfalling or Surge?
That way you don’t have to spend hero crests
surge on 2T
Well be wouldn't use hero crests, u can however craft it natty at 259
Then recraft when u get the crests
the l'ura addon drama is so funny
balance seems deadge


wanted to roll druid alt
it is friday
Whats stopping ya
Hyuge
5% nerf to paladins hp
Maybe nerfs to the heal absorb
Wonder if vaelgors catches a nerf
Cast time on the orbs prob
Lower their HP while ur at it so maybe u don't need 3rd tank
Beloren I'm betting gets gutted real quick
idk still 10 ilvl to get
they will nerf it a bit @ gamz
happened to stix too
the ilvl is not really an argument, we had raid buff back then
we still do
just not kicked in yet
and not tied to renown track
what do you think all the weekly quests for decimus in voidstorm is for..
yeah, just saying these thigns dont matter
yeah
its not like the amount of kicks will diminish for birb
that boss is a bit insane
we'll see
waiting for logs to remove piss adds and voidorbs
there will be less kicks with more dmg
since they die quicker
but yeah no way to know really
i think if they nerf beloren its a hp nerf
kicks required? so chicken is cooked then
well you also stack immunities
blizzard could've gave boomkin a free spot on end boss if beam just kicked everything
but hp nerf also kinda ruins phasing timers..
That's my guess to
not allowed a real interrupt, it's forbidden
me on paladins
0 assignments
pressing starfire entire fight
starfire buff wen
Tonight
They said they will have tuning next reset and they announce usually Friday night
don't think anyone see anything you say
boomie doing zdps is stopping me
same
same (on mage)
Question: Why do i lose 6% haste when i enter boomkin?
lycara
is balance's burst damage still really bad in m+?
Right so my actual haste is what it is in boomkin...
Hey guys quick question , in M+ we play with Elune's Chosen, during Lunar eclipse in Single target do we spam cast Starfire or Wrath?
sure, why do you ask?
sims always assume you enter moonkin
It's decent
The problem is the burst part of the spec is on the other hero talent
And u won't play it once u get higher keys
Starfire
that'll be the suprise next week
your real haste is the actual haste rating
gunna remove that and see if gamz notices
not the %
catweaving 
no it puts you in combat
you can meld tho
does the new invis pot work only out of combat?
i dont think they made a new shadowmeld pot
yeah season 3 had a shadowmeld pot
start prepull in human form with 4 regrowths into 2 wraths 1 regrowth 2 starfires
pre-meld jump 3 times and innervate the tank
(:
BRING ME BACK
crazy feral is quite nice actually
its so much smoother brained
ya too smooth brain for me
I was testing it on beta and realized I was simply not enjoying the spec
its a welcome change from cooldownslop moonkin
1m convoke so fun
what did you wish they didnt do with it tho
moonkin actually cooldownslop
the most cooldownslop ive ever seen fr
im so happy my years long crusade of hating eclipse is still active
and people are finally getting it
Bake trees into eclipse and make eclipse off gcd
Wonder when a feral is gonna kill vanguard
Well it was only reasonable before because of uh waning twilight?
Did I get the right name
actually
Should've been here last year when crazy was bodying the feral dev
yep
ok
Its ur dev too so W
W
probably
(I have no idea)
it does in sim
Wish there was a way to find out
@lucid olive
figure out this super useful tech
k thx
arctic how do I make this slightly better
How about u go figure out if meteorites is better on 2t/3t with casting cosmos starfalls

True true
how do you sim 2 set trinkets on raidbots if you dont have one?
Probably better to cast wrath then eclipse not?
Search it on top gear
it wasnt
Hm
Did u add the phys talents in the class tree?
No
and the choice node
Grevious wounds is 10% inc on rake
And then there's the idk killer instinct that inc by 6%
Sheesh
I got https://www.wowhead.com/item=171644/necromantic-focus as a heroic 259 trinket from the timewalking chest as boomkin. Is it good? I know we love mastery.
it works, just tried it. Will sim it, thanks!
When your playing like the ST convoke build how do you do the burn. Like I remember in manaforge it was a set number of Starsurges after you droped CA and trees then you voked
That was mostly so u could fight the 2nd CA and 2 surges in trees after xoncoke
There's not a set amount, but rather time to convoke and dump asp after convoke in trees
Now shorten the fight length and watch it be a dps loss
So is there an amount of AP you want to get under before you voke after you pop CA and trees?
prob dont have todo that
or do you just drop those both and immediately voke
less than 1 spenders worth of AP
Under the amount u need to cast another surge yes
okay so CA + trees then SS till your under 40 or 36 depending on your rattle vs starweaver
then you convoke
dragons
Seek help
Good thing I'm not worried about 3t
Yes
then paladins
Ur dumb if u dont pad

Always pad
True always pad
Stop the "important dam" cope
Convoke gonna random wrath the immune target and silence u
that would go hard

The fury of elune talent is a proc
just dont convoke for 10seconds
doesnt stop paladins from silencing everyone
And that shit silences
Nice
lunar bolt silences you
Don't hit immune targets idiot
light of elune procs silences you
idk what fight is sub 3t
meteorites probably silences you as well
good thing they bring a moonkin to paladin fight then
Halo silences you
no
ice lance cleave silences
Maybe u play convoke there if ur bad
So icelances get cast on a random target now?
Rekr
even at like 80 yards
Consume it next time silly

is there a chance boomy somehow can get buffed to be relavent in keys this season or is it just cooked
it is bad
any dps is better almost
i hit 890k first pull academy @lofty depot
it will only be better if other dps actually get nerfed
Aug or
even buffs won't save it
fair
no one dps died o pull
Skill issue
no
i'm top 5 overall in almost every key +16
getting gapped by dev/ele/demo/you name it
Theres like 6 DPS that are better
It's horrible overalls in high keys
Link log bet he's playing wrong
tragic
orange name so he knows better tho
devourer is actually broken tho so
it's just arctic
just need rwf hostage situation to end so actual nerfs happen
The chances that ur doing the opener wrong is very high just saying
you can pull any log you want from high keys and see boomy is not doing well
I don't think it will get buffed though
But I wouldn't expect an m+er to know how to minmax something that wasn't told to them outright
cause in blizzard's eyes it's "competitive"
Too much variance in m+ anyway
Who cares
Boomy niche is being mmediocre
Nut up and shut up or fotm swap
nut up 
The dreamstate stack minmax that all the rats didnt do forever
"sundered firm so good, me wrath wrath start of pull"
not even running sundered firm makes me happy now
DiD YoU Do YoUr OpEnEr RiGhT
Missing damage on starfalls get good moron
Link name.or log plz
I increase ur dam
ur gonna rip me i guarantee i fuck up so much or do wrong shit constantly
everybody does
artic is nice guy
only a professional turkey jerker would say this...
those guys did horrible
Foe before incarn not during eclipse
this was really big gap
Sunfire silly
so there foe before eclipse, should be a second starfall before incarn and yeah that sunfire in incarn was bad
i see cause out of the 8 seconds it lasts by the time incarn hits there's only like 4 or so seconds remaining getting no value from incarn buff
It then has a debuff for like 6 or w.e. seconds after
- OB after surely
Yes
Preferably
I'm still testing some talents on overall and opener but it's kinda annoying
I thought so.
be sure to at least spend 8 globals before you start doing damage
I believe in you
Depends on the pull
Mmhm mmhm
back to starfall on a cooldown
Make it do like 10x dam
It was ass before
I want starfall to do all dmg instantly at once thanks
you need about 6 starfalls right now
to get to levels of CN
Im convinced, stacking needs to go
👉 🚪
Deux on the train lfg
I want lunar bolt to apply moonfire to all mobs hit
That is kinda badass
Mmhm mmhm
@gilded gyro this good idea, please add thanks
holy cook
I was thinking about this the other day
SEND IT
For all the times we prepped pulsar pre key.... And devourer gets a talent that starts their souls at 25/50
Can I get that dev on my spec
Like holy fuck
xd
We have that same thing
Its called balance of power
Or nature's balance or some shit
Our niche is mediocrity already said this
That would make us too good
M+ ruined boomkin
Shits been all down hill since legion
souls are not astral power silly
They're the spender
fury is the spender
Not in meta
ARE U DUMB
Which is the only thing that matters to them
hey boomies i got a quick easy question
i wanna play boomy but i really cba a playstyle where i have to kjeep swapping forms like going cat for speed, goinng bear for phases where bosses are doing big pulsatying damage
will i have to do that as boomy or can i stay boomkin form all the time (besides stampede roaring for like some mechanics where i have one lil task)
second pull u dont dot for like 10 seconds
u can dot those while thye run
also didnt bark til way later
ur also not prepping to the next pull
imagine if once u entered incarn you were in incarn for the entire pull
would be sick
collapsing star is just full moon but better and fun
dotting too many shitters
correct
everything about dev is more fun and better than boomy rn
i wish it had like 1 or 2 more buttons
Kinda looks like starweaver
Didnt spend the free dam procs 
yea but i already told him to fix that
cant u meld the cat charge
Idk
i mena u bear'd it and took like 200k dam
Not elf
miss me bearing that outside of 20s
press bark silly
pack been in combat for like 12 seconds and just entered eclipse
???
love arctic
what are we doing
i think bro left man
please respond

i think boomie could be insane in keys ngl but rdruid overshadows
and devourer/ret/uhdk/aug are all just a little too good
well he said he gets gapped by everyone and the spec isnst better
and were wrathing in lunar on fucking 10 targets
does aug actually do dmg now or they just beefing the good specs up that much
yes
they do pretty unreal damage during breathe windows and they also buff specs like crazy
damn just better than devastation for keys?
yes
😮
lol
Someone on my friendslist asked if he should buff boomy as aug and I told him yes
Im doing my part
yeah except
you dont really target buff people anymore
you can, but little effect
who wants to do lfr and give me tier
Is lfr champ
veteran prob?
you should wait until after the weekend
i do lost of work
i just need 1p so i can cata 4p
im at the pc
that's a troll
doesn he not know what ally is
Are we shit in keys or am i shit?
por que son los dos?
no se habla
je ne parle pas francais

no francai, engli
souce mon pecit
bro said and i quote "some weird dh tech"
mmhm mmhm
i thought he meant queueing memes because dh can talk cross faction and shit
Voulez-vous coucher avec moi?
Hun hon hon
chancel es un baguette
I live in a French town
🥖
the extent of my French is very basic
I live in your walls

can u get the rats while ur there
They're my friends, we cuddle for warmth

havnt tried that
probably is good tho
in poutine
wtf
you can use poutine as a topping, but it's not for dipping
gas's got a point
if not dip then why dip shaped
I thought poutine was the entire dish
bro that is
It's just gravy
like bargin bin poutine
Quick q: if I'm playing elune in m+ and I'm in incarn on a boss for example do I wrath or starfire?
Almost there
same bro same
starfire in eclipse wrath outisde in st
i always imagined gamz are skinny and tall
thats crazy

gg
need to embrace my inner devourer
they just stole moonkin spells..
Not the most iconic moonkin spell though right?
convoke?
Symbiosis
Are you even trying? Why is your ilvl so low?
ive got 2 pieces of raid loot. devourer succing it all up

Maybe they do deserve our spells
I'm in a RP guild to raid now
somehow not true
Ill be stacking my groups with mm hunters and ret paladins
ive been in some wild keys this week
yo yum
no friends
(not a bad thing, them being easy)
what if guild bad?
find new guild
soon
what if guild friends?
L
Big anime ret paladin energy
played ret for a month to flex on a guild ret with a ego
trashed him then never play again

Just think now you could be doing 10s
why

"show his ilvl if hes not 274 or higher hes bad"
they show and hes like "oh fuck hes higher than me"
gg














