#balance

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spice roost
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al;l g ty

delicate perch
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ya it's just bgs vs bots was chill

dense steeple
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It wasnt chill first week

lofty depot
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Skill issue

dense steeple
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Everyone thought it was gonna be comp stomp and just got their asses beat

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It is a skill issue, some of us just had to suffer through their skill issue

lofty depot
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Mmhm mmhm

heavy iris
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my sims are saying my gear currently is best but looking at a lot of top logs seems like there's quite a bit of people with around 1100 mastery or so. I'm sitting at 850 275 ilvl, just seems weird i'm that much lower. I'm sure i'm looking too much into it but on fights with adds (all of them) are people just taking the higher mastery piece and not going off their sim possibly?

pallid bay
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people prob just chased mastery items

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and it ends up simming equal

sonic surge
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anyone else not able to see the debuff stacks the slimes leave on the bosses for crown?

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is there a fix or addon or some shit for that?

royal zenith
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default frames show them so it's definitely your addons that block it

sonic surge
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i have elvui but ppl without elvui are also unable to see it in my guild

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we have like 1 guy who can see it

royal zenith
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don't think there were specific ways to actually show the debuff seperately

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but maybe Oi knows more

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or other ui people

sonic surge
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help me mr @pallid bay sune ur my only hope

wooden obsidian
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This is why I'm gonna try Elune's next in my +10's. I was always a solid 40-50k behind the mage, doing consistently 150-200k while I was doing like 100-150k

pallid bay
civic junco
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Tier lists come with a grain of salt. It’s best to sim everything, obviously. To my eye, that tier list looks raid focussed. Haste gains a lot of value for Elunes Chosen and can muscle out crit, depending on the damage profile of the dungeon. For example, in my current gear, heart of wind is just as good as soulstealers charm.

There are advanced sim options where you can input items you do not have. You may want to sim those.

royal zenith
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mansplaining a tierlist

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😭

lofty depot
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Prefer when he mansplains world rank

civic junco
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I’m #1 world ranked mansplainer, ackshually

drifting nova
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can you mansplain why pirates only give 5rep

orchid fox
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But I’m also a noob so

sonic surge
civic junco
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Your raid lead is stupid if he wants you to starsurge. Starfall is outrageously efficient. You just need to have the wherewithal to kite the droplets to one of the bosses before they die

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I can mansplain it to him if needed. Let me know.

dense steeple
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If your RL is mad that your starfalling then hes projecting that the raid is playing badly

sonic surge
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hes comparing me to another log where the boomie has far more boss damage than me in p1

dense steeple
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You guys drop the first silver arrow on demiar?

sonic surge
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1st only if demiar is low

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otherwise 2nd

dense steeple
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Demiar cant be low by first arrow

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The first arrow is 10 seconds into the fight lol

civic junco
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We clear the other two and focus Demiar, then pop him with second arrow when he’s basically dead

sonic surge
civic junco
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First arrow is about 15s into fight so, I doubt that

sonic surge
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standing mid and starfall is the play then?

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what to do if get puddle mechanic?

dense steeple
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Not quite

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Be on the edge

sonic surge
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or stand between 2 of em and starfall

dense steeple
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That

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Stand between 2, start moving to between the next two when demiar hits 1hp

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Be ready for arrow just in case to hit demiar

royal zenith
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Starfall is outrageously effective on crowns P1?

sonic surge
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so spending ap on surge is definitely not the play? even when demiar has high stacks?

royal zenith
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To kill smallies with zero hp?

sonic surge
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to clarify i am doing prog

civic junco
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I’m standing in the middle of the room with our spriest. Rest of the ranged are out at edge between Demiar and Morium. Then we drop void pools at where ranged start and go counter clockwise. A pool in the middle isn’t the end of the world, but if you have advanced notice you obviously go to the drop spot.

dense steeple
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The blobs have to die

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To debuff the miniboss

sonic surge
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so i want the ethical answer not the padding answer (for today)

dense steeple
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Use both

civic junco
dense steeple
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Like dont slam 50 starfalls, but dont ignore starfall

pallid bay
royal zenith
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I think you’re overestimating your role as a balance druid in that fight

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Especially wording it as outrageously

dense steeple
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^

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Starfall isnt padding if its effective damage (it is)

dense steeple
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Hit multiple mobs with starfall while focusing the kill target

royal zenith
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If you passively throw out a few starfalls its w.e.

dense steeple
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If he yells at you again for it. Tell him to come here and ask himself, because youre trolling if you DONT starfall

royal zenith
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I dunno, I can imagine guilds struggling with add management if you’re progging rn

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You take aggro, you overkill smallies

dense steeple
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I starfall everytime, I never rip aggro on them

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Even then, 1 or 2 is not a big deal

royal zenith
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It’s not, its also not a big deal to just starsurge

lucid olive
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If you get aggro just walk to your closest tank so he gets it off you

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I like to walk those to the next add we're killing to stack up a bunch of guys on it

civic junco
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This is the way

wooden obsidian
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is the meta hating on balance druids today? god damn yesterday I got into pugs so easy in m+ but today I've been at it for an hour no invites O.o

lucid olive
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They probably share the staircase meme..

royal zenith
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I can see it being more and more true every day

peak shoal
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This is my target frame, anyone know what the option is to show the timer on the target's debuffs?

drifting nova
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the technology isnt there yet

livid jay
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or just put moonfire and sunfire in your cooldown manager

elder sorrel
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thank you!

red nymph
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any lore nerds here?
With the cinematic from MoQ, did they basically confirm that they left the shadowlands story just completely unfinished?

calm wave
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whats the name of the pvp neck? i can only find this [Hero's Trove]

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wanted to sim before i did the quest

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found all good

eager raft
drifting nova
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wish burning steppes had a past version to go to, people ruining my farm smh

red nymph
eager raft
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||Surely it was obvious to absolutely everybody that they left her story open ended to allow for a future return||

drifting nova
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ayo spoilers

red nymph
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im not talking about just sylvanas. shadowlands as a whole

eager raft
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Ok actual spoilers holy

drifting nova
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ok and I return to my first reply

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what sword?

royal zenith
drifting nova
royal zenith
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that looks horrible

drifting nova
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is ok

lucid olive
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yeah Shadowlands is coming back and we have to help Ve'nari cause she got captured by insert name of anima-infused monster here

drifting nova
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only 600 left

lucid olive
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but in order to do that we have to do 3 weeks of constant dailies in the Maw

eager raft
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I never really got the sense that the shadowlands story was necessarily concluded

lucid olive
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well it's the death realm right

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makes sense they would revisit

drifting nova
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what gave it away was it the sylvanas redemption?

eager raft
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One of the last things that happened was the jailer turning into a husk which pretty much confirms there was someone pulling his strings (it’s wow there’s always someone else pulling the strings)

drifting nova
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I was convinced pre shadowladns post nyalotha we'd enter another mirroed realm

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where nzoth "won"

eager raft
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They’ve always deliberately left just about every story open ended so they can revisit if they please

lucid olive
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Jailer was confirmed to be a construct

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but machines can go rogue

red nymph
bleak junco
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So I’ve heard that balance is the best class spec that can take advantage of one button and loses the least. Is it true? And how much is lost with it?

lucid olive
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the way I saw SL ending was more "the Jailer was a machine designed to be the arbiter and decider of what afterlives people go to - but Jailer knew about the Titans involvements and the creeping war between Void and Light where there are no winners so he wanted to break the cycle"

eager raft
lucid olive
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this is kinda backed up by recent stuff showing that the Light corrupts in the same way as the Void

drifting nova
lucid olive
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Jailer was the first arbiter yes

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then he got banished to the Maw

drifting nova
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oh its a title

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not a single..person

lucid olive
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ye

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current arbiter is Pelagos

drifting nova
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pela who

eager raft
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Cmon kekkers

red nymph
drifting nova
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wait

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the fairy dude

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or..not dude

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idk

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kyrian

red nymph
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the only thing they changed in shadowlands was the lich king origins

drifting nova
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seeing people watch the sl cinematic after wrath but not having the wrathgate in between was fun

eager raft
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every story they’ve told is fully concluded and can never be expanded upon

drifting nova
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"wait he's orange now?"

lucid olive
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thats more or less where SL starts

drifting nova
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weirdly enough I only did the wrathgate (atleast lorewise( like a month ago for loremaster

lucid olive
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and after all 3 raids they realized "hey maybe we shouldn't give this job to a random machine???" and they gave Pelagos wings and let him do it

red nymph
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i just cant recall a time where we restore balance through the course of an expansion, just for some one to say "nah it aint as it seems there" 3 expansions later

drifting nova
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anyone done dmf exalted before know how long it takes

sonic surge
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to clarify i am gettign aggro from the newly spawned ones

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not the ones already on the tank

royal zenith
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yeah I mean idc

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dunno why people are always so hard defending wanting to starfall on that boss

lofty depot
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It's my class fantasy

heavy iris
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this entire tier favors unethical gameplay to parse

royal zenith
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if the smallies wouldnt be in logs, I think people who give jackshit about hem

lofty depot
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I can hit all 3 main adds

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So ud be wrong

royal zenith
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yeah but we were talking about the small adds

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actual dumbo or

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that was the literal whole conversation

lofty depot
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Yes and u can hit the main adds aswell as the small ones

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Moron

royal zenith
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yeah main adds also add a debuff on targets right

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anyway it's whatever

lofty depot
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And I can hit all of them, maybe uve spent too much time on evoker u lost ur brain

royal zenith
finite vapor
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Can somebody tell me how many crests a +9, 10 and 11 give? Myth starts from 9 right ?

hollow bobcat
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how do I get damage on adds in boss fights on normal/sometimes heroic

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i feel they die before ive even got dots up

lofty depot
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Then stop dotting them

hollow bobcat
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is just sending starfall without dots more damage?

lofty depot
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It was more during stix, it's even more now

hollow bobcat
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i see

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thanks

lofty depot
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U know ur mastery isn't effected by dots right

hollow bobcat
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yeah just old habit i guess

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is starsurge or starfall prio in 2 target

vital hound
lofty depot
hollow bobcat
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thought so

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bosh

vital hound
hollow bobcat
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big john ❤️‍🩹

vital hound
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he cant have long left

peak shoal
livid jay
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Hm when I press moonfire it goes and counts down how long is left of it

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Is that maybe a function of better cooldown manager addon?

peak shoal
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Probably

civic junco
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You may be tracking moon fire the spell instead of moon fire the buff. It’s annoying and finicky.

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I’m going to try and resurrect my weak auras this weekend. I need them.

lucid olive
lucid olive
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If it doesn't for the guy then he's probably using another add-on that kills the Active Aura Overlay

peak shoal
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Yeah I was tracking the spell and not the debuff, but im probably just not gonna use it still. I don't need a dbm timer for moonfire lol - I just want a number countdown on the spell icon of the target unit

ebon parcel
peak shoal
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similar to how nameplates countdown

lucid olive
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just pick any unit frame addon with a target frame

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or you could use a CDM addon and put the Sunfire/Moonfire buffs in the CDM and anchor them to your target frame

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that probably works too

lofty depot
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No point in going into eclipse if ur not gonna spend the ascendent procs from entering

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Why is innervate macro'd to incarn

lucid olive
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at least it gets used

lofty depot
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Reup Sunfire prior to incarn

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Hmm blud spend 9 surges before sending a starfall

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Seems unlicky

red nymph
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how does this version of innervate feel more outdated then older versions of innervate?

lucid olive
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you mean the spell that hasnt changed in years?

maiden pasture
red nymph
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no mana cost for 8 sec some how feels more outdated then just having a spell that gives mana back

lucid olive
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I just press it on healer when I feel like it

lofty depot
lucid olive
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and how long ago was that change

maiden pasture
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were u still innervating urself back when it gave mana back

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xd

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like pre-cata shit

lucid olive
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always been 3 minutes

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first version of the spell before 4.1

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3 min cd

lofty depot
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The 2 surges + Starfall at 33 are outside of eclipse, then u send eclipse 8 seconds later

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Seems curious

still iris
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I guess pugging the final boss will be close to impossible this id?

royal zenith
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nothing is impossible (yes)

ancient lodge
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Hey guys! Sorry I'm usually a resto but was wondering, for lightblinded vanguard I thought I was doing ok with 83k DPS at 267 ilvl.

But does this mean my DPS is actually bottom 37% of all balance druid logs?

lofty depot
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guildied pugged it with multiple people under 40k dps (normal :P)

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well its 83k not 83mil

ancient lodge
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Oops my bad haha

lofty depot
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and thats pretty low

lucid olive
ancient lodge
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Oh man that's disheartening haha

lofty depot
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was doin 100k at 255

ancient lodge
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Keke I think it's GG for me

sly wadi
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one day i'll figure out what y'all do that I'm not, but today is not that day

ancient lodge
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Apologies I'm not sure if this is the right format to post a log, but is there something I should focus on? I'm gearing for resto but wondering if I'm commuting big rotational errors too heh

still iris
lucid olive
lofty depot
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seems curious

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seems curious

lucid olive
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thats the staircase they keep kicing us down

lofty depot
royal zenith
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ohh I have a new suggestion for xan

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now that we're gaining new oranges, we also need to purge a few

lofty depot
pseudo merlin
tranquil sleet
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anyone got a raid talen build pls

pseudo merlin
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The compendium, link in pins

royal zenith
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thats something you can ask gamz tho

pseudo merlin
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Yeah DM gamz

lucid olive
royal zenith
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or is that not your suggestion

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tradu definitely deserves a purge

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stinky priest

pseudo merlin
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My suggestion starts with an A

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I think Tradu should stay

lucid olive
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L tradu

hollow bobcat
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should I macro my trinket into my cds

lofty depot
hollow bobcat
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or is there a reason id want to use it outside of them

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its the feather

lofty depot
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look its a bridge were building

lucid olive
lofty depot
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what should we build next

lucid olive
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you can still have a separate bind for it if you want to

wraith kiln
lofty depot
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is a tree house now

wraith kiln
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Retire me

lofty depot
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look a boat

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yar

analog moat
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🤣

craggy sonnet
lucid olive
jaunty blaze
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HELP HIM NOOO

ancient lodge
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So sorry I'm a bit confused , are the images from the logs I posted HAHA

lofty depot
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he flying a kite now

jaunty blaze
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well ye the point is you have so much downtime sometimes they can fill it with art

lofty depot
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anyway

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uhhhh ur not casting a lot

ancient lodge
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AHH gotcha...

lucid olive
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@wraith kiln thoughts on the art

pseudo merlin
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@royal zenith take a guess who I was talking about

ancient lodge
# lofty depot

Sorry could I check what is wrong with this sequence of casts during the opening haha? Too many moon fires?

lofty depot
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wowanalyzer doesnt want to show me downtime

pseudo merlin
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he's very artistic

lofty depot
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it cant even calculate this much downtime

lucid olive
pseudo merlin
ancient lodge
lofty depot
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also, convoke on vanguards is a choice

lucid olive
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whos l'mikez

jaunty blaze
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hi im mike

lucid olive
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is that some america lingo

lofty depot
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and yes u save asp to to do

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or at the very least be pressing dots

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less than expected

pseudo merlin
ancient lodge
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Mmm ok

lofty depot
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its a bridge silly

pseudo merlin
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ah yes

lofty depot
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wanna go on a walk

pseudo merlin
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clearly

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i really do not

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that seems scary

lofty depot
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its got waves and shit

wraith kiln
lofty depot
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mmhm mmhm thanks tradu

wraith kiln
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Should be in a gallery or museum

sly wadi
lofty depot
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modern van gogh

lofty depot
pseudo merlin
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you should cut o

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nvm

lofty depot
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thats 5 normal asp bars

sly wadi
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yep, 10 whole starfalls

ancient lodge
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Sorry what does it mean wasted astral power haha

pseudo merlin
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-It means astral power

sly wadi
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need to get better about spending the AP before I cast starfire, so many times I cap out AP during a SF cast

pseudo merlin
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that was wasted

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So like

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You're at max and you keep generating

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So it vanishes

lucid olive
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every global spent at 100% astral power is wasted

ancient lodge
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Ahh ok gotcha

sly wadi
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And rex just so you know that was my own log, not yours

ancient lodge
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Oops ok sry about that

sly wadi
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nah, you're good, still a tip to be aware of if trying to improve 👍

lucid olive
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it can feel really bad with Starweaver if you're capped at AP and keep generating free procs

sly wadi
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just gonna honorably sudoku myself, sheeeeeesh

ancient lodge
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Sorry a bit of a dumb question but if I wanted to view like, a good balance druid logs, is there a way for me to access it?

lucid olive
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yeah

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go to warcraftlogs

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open panel on the left

sly wadi
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you can go to warcraft logs, filter by the raid difficulty you're doing, the boss you're doing, and to boomie, and look at the top parses

lucid olive
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choose the raid boss

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and pick any

ancient lodge
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Ahhh ok thanks guys!!

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I guess the key thing I can learn from is looking at the timeline it seems to see how they spend their casts?

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Urgh the graphs are so hard to work with on mobile tho

half roost
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Alright guys, friends fomo'd me into WoW, gonna buy it and will start playing Balance glorp

royal zenith
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my condolences

half roost
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It's joever..

ebon parcel
lofty depot
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R1 logs still have mistakes

sly wadi
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wowanalyzer pls

lofty depot
lucid olive
lofty depot
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Too many rex's didn't know which one kek

ancient lodge
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Ok thanks guys :))))

pseudo merlin
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@royal zenith u didnt respond to my poe yap

sly wadi
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hate to find out I forgot to replace Incarn in my EC talents with my macro that uses vaelgors. Went the entire fight without using it smdh

royal zenith
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I think it was too early

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and forgor

pseudo merlin
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ah

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theyre removing the atlas

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replacing it with poe1 atlas

royal zenith
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huh

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source?

lofty depot
ebon parcel
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what is this addon that tracks moonfire and sunfire from multiple boss encounter?

royal zenith
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making both games the same would be cringe

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ask @carmine vigil

sly wadi
lofty depot
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Elv is the usual option

pseudo merlin
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and he said ggg said it

royal zenith
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cat says a lot of stuff..

ebon void
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any of the timewalking trinkets decent?

silk swan
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Sorry in advance if this is a dumb question. Using the build in the pins for M+. Do I not cast Solar Wrath ever even if there’s 1 target?

ebon void
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you cast wrath on 1 target wheen not in eclipse

silk swan
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Ah ok. So Starfire 1 target when in eclipse tho?

ebon void
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ya

silk swan
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Thank you!

lofty depot
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Love that people are telling others to cast wrath outside of eclipse KEK

lucid olive
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the actual correct thing is to cast Starfire if the remaining duration on your Lunar buff is more than the cast time of Starfire

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which just translates to "press Starfire inside Eclipse and Wrath outside" but it guards you against starting a 2 second Starfire cast with 1 second left on Eclipse

silk swan
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Nice ty

wild dune
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need emergency lunar calling buffs asap

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wrath should not be on my bars

lofty depot
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Lol

carmine vigil
lucid olive
carmine vigil
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6742069

royal zenith
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what addon you use

lucid olive
royal zenith
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to track moonifre/sunfire on boss frames

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not my question tho!!

lucid olive
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evlui

royal zenith
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eiulv

carmine vigil
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I have atrocityui right now its just elvui doing that i believe

lucid olive
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or unhalted

royal zenith
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there you go @ebon parcel

lofty depot
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Idk why we're asking an mm/vdh what he uses for boss frames smh

carmine vigil
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Hahaha

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I shoot my bow

royal zenith
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cause he's in the vod

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dentge strikes again

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lay off the moonshine brother

lofty depot
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Go into groups with Yoda and a tier later doesn't play boomkin :/

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He was the chosen one

lucid olive
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I kinda wanted to level my hunter this expansion as an alt, but now that MM is fotm I will probably wait..

lofty depot
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Ddh >

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It's gonna be fotm, it's gonna be op, it's not getting nerfed

cobalt junco
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why do we not play meteor storm on dragons mythic? adds dont live that long

lofty depot
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The buffed that shit after it was already top 5

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Insane work

lucid olive
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been a while since this guy saw light of day

cobalt junco
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first time taking metorites too should be fun

lucid olive
lofty depot
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Should've taken it in heroic

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The adds live long enough for me idk

lucid olive
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maybe the 10% that take it are actually savant knowers on a level different than everyone else

cobalt junco
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TRUEE

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u spitting

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+1 now. meeeee

rare dove
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why is final grade simming lower than spire 2h

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isn't it supposed to be the BiS mythic+

royal zenith
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according to?

rare dove
sly wadi
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tier lists strike again

lucid olive
royal zenith
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literally says alternative?

lucid olive
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it is simming equal

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not more or less

royal zenith
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it's a side-grade

calm wave
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has crit gotten alot more value for any of yous? i know sims are sims u sim ur own

royal zenith
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ye it did

calm wave
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but crit has been popping up alot more for me

royal zenith
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cause apex talents

lucid olive
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crit good

royal zenith
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and other shit

calm wave
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cool good to know,ive been mastery haste brain for so long its messing with me

royal zenith
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maybe that's the issue

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thinking in stats

lucid olive
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even what the guy sent further above

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crit=haste means theyre basically equal value

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and then vers is lowest cause you want 0 of that

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just fill your guy with as much haste/mast or crit/mast as possible

sharp veldt
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is there something I need to know to get my astral smolder numbers up?
The other boomy in my raid has WAY higher astral smolder numbers with the same dot uptime

lucid olive
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maybe some haste/crit as well if it sims well

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cast more during eclipse

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cast more high value casts during eclipse

lofty depot
lucid olive
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yeha you would know all about being lower

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short ass

wild dune
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gotem

twin lotus
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Hello fellows, is there an addon that shows innervate when u get whispered innervate?

lofty depot
#

Blud has lower IQ and cares about my height

#

Smh

twin lotus
#

I appreciate you, thank you

lucid olive
#

no clue how well it works

#

the one i have would trigger off any whisper in combat and not just innervate ones

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which makes sense since i don't think addons can know what is in a chat message

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just that you got one

lofty depot
#

Can't read

lucid olive
#

yeah who reads

#

i just used it for 1 raid night to make sure it worked so i can share it if people ask for it

lofty depot
#

Hm

lucid olive
#

i tell my healers to open their mouths

lofty depot
#

Yea I sai fuck it and said figure out ur timer and I'll add it to my tr

lucid olive
#

or if it's a rough boss then i just put timelinereminders in

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but most bosses the healers just call my name and i press button

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spend more time having to locate healers on my frames as well since their names get covered by private aura icons..

lofty depot
#

I have 2 @ macros for the 2 that ask

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Some else asks I mouseover

lucid olive
#

i have 1 for person who usually asks and mouseover on alt+left click

lofty depot
#

I just realized it was 7 RWF ago that Balance Druid was viable, my last ever world first too💀 I might die of old age before I see them being used again, never thought the spec would end up worse than stuff like feral, ww, elemental etc in raiding. Even ret's been used more.

torn iron
lofty depot
#

U could

ebon parcel
ebon parcel
#

meaning?
i got 30% ranking
i must have done some major mistakes

lofty depot
#

Did u not post that earlier

ebon parcel
#

this is second post

lofty depot
#

Ok, what was wrong with what I said in the first one

#

Ur still doing the same stuff

ebon parcel
#

i used SF/MF inside the incarn thats wrong
should use outside

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and then you mention about casting a proc which i dont understand

#

after entering eclipse i did use my instant wrath

lofty depot
#

Ok so then u have 3 ascendent fires buffa for 20% surge/Starfall which u don't use

#

So either rente incarn isntantly

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Or use the buffa

#

But ur entering eclipse for fun and doing it wrong

#

U don't need to do the eclipse opener anymore

ebon parcel
#

oh so go straight to incarn

lofty depot
#

Still waiting forever to go into eclipse after Incarn is over

#

Incarn is over at 31 there

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U set 4 sepnders/procs there

#

In which this is ur sequence after

ebon parcel
#

shouldnt i gather astral power first before i go into eclipse?

lofty depot
#

It's like I gave feedback on ur initial post

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And u didn't read it

ebon parcel
#

sorry maybe i dont understand it
will go through it again

lofty depot
kindred pine
#

Do people do log reviews in here? I feel like my dps is kinda low in m+

heavy iris
#

what keys are you doing

lofty depot
#

Asked if anyone does log reviews while someone is doing a log review

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Mmhm mmhm

kindred pine
lofty depot
#

U should wait to Sunfire 1 time

#

Lots of wasted globals in incar

ebon parcel
#

ok

lofty depot
#

Sent trees and foe outside of eclipse

ebon parcel
#

do i try my best not to use starsurge or starfall outside eclipse?
i tend to use them on move or when it procs

lofty depot
#

Going on a walk au?

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Wasted 3 seconds of trees

ebon parcel
lofty depot
#

U should be using asp as much as possible in eclipse

lofty depot
tranquil vault
#

i know the answer is simming.. but icy veins and wowhead got different bis gear lists. and i'm looking what to craft now first

heavy iris
#

use the dreamgrove

lofty depot
#

Bis lists are fake

heavy iris
#

I'm assuming you've already crafted a weapon?

lofty depot
#

The bis list has OH as bis, but it's not crest efficient early on to do so

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So if ur looking at a bis list, u would then waste early crests

tranquil vault
#

yeah oke it's mainly what i should craft next. i was thinking to craft bracers as i got a staff crafted.

lofty depot
#

worse stat value than gloves/boots

tranquil vault
#

got these boots at the moment

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gloves i got tier gloves hero. because i went for 4 set early .

lofty depot
#

Go farm cata charges

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Go farm hero gear if u don't have it

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Making rash decisions based on ur gear state when u haven't farmed the gear

tranquil vault
#

oh i farmed a lot actually

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270ilevel atm

#

as a none mythic raider

#

and what is stats priority, mastery crit haste? or mastery haste crit? or same answer sim?

lucid olive
#

mastery > haste=crit > vers

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but also sim your character

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but generally those stats are good guidelines to follow

ebon parcel
#

compendium says i have to use starfire even for single target fight if i proc ascendant fires.
is this correct? for every eclise and incarn?

lucid olive
#

for ca/incarn

dark trail
#

Any general advice on what I should do with my hero crests? Been sitting capped not wanting to waste them lol but a fair chunk of ilvl. Still trying to farm out hero pieces tho

lofty depot
#

It clearly says and in ca

lofty depot
#

Mmhm mmhm

dark trail
#

🤣

lofty depot
#

Depends on ur ability to get myth items and what u currently have for hero items

tranquil vault
#

sims higher as crafted 285 bracers hmmm

lofty depot
#

There's a helm and shoulders from first 2 bosses so I'm not upgraded helm and shoulders til later

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Preferably getting one or both and not wasting hero crests

dark trail
#

Not sure the guild im with will be doing much Mythic raiding.. yet to be seen but i'll just be getting my 3 slots on the vault

lofty depot
#

If u don't have that luxury, u make other decisions

lofty depot
#

And bracers are shit stat value

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Which is why I said ur likely not crafting bracers

tranquil vault
#

hmm ok 🙂 yeah will check out what to craft then 🙂

dense steeple
lofty depot
#

I didn't say I was saving myth crests

dense steeple
#

Not upgrading hero pieces to 6/6 in hopes to get a 1/6 myth item

lofty depot
#

End up sending the crests next week if they don't drop anyway

dense steeple
#

If i dont kill chimaerus tonight im gonna be sad

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Cause my vault will be ruined

lofty depot
#

Tell the rats to pick the adds

dense steeple
#

The current drama is tank taunting the big guy

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Mage getting tank slammed

lofty depot
#

That happened to me this week

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I dotted the tank add, trees foe incarn and insta pulled aggro and die

lofty depot
#

Can u not read the casts or

dense steeple
pseudo merlin
#

@royal zenith

glacial steeple
sleek dirge
#

can you have a macro using both the pre pot and the incarn spell or will this get queued and nothing happens ? 🤔

pseudo merlin
royal zenith
glacial steeple
fair pasture
lofty depot
#

Pre pot 👀

glacial steeple
#

The 5 min cd that goes during combat but it is what it is

obsidian fox
#

Is claiming the coins from the vault worth at all? given my vault is bad

pseudo merlin
#

ye like 300 dps probably

lofty depot
#

Can buy a sockey

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Is worth 0.5%

#

Sim the diffy

pseudo merlin
#

look at @royal zenith the brave attacking chimaerus

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(skull marker)

obsidian fox
red nymph
#

if you havent crafted a staff, it is VERY important that you DONT

lofty depot
#

Why is it very important that u dont

red nymph
#

cause then you can't mog pepe's vacation home

lofty depot
#

Is this a stray feral

#

Someone come get their pet

red nymph
#

its at least a 5% damage increase

rare dove
#

anyone know if its possible to track stellar amplification?

#

as a debuff over health bars

#

plater and other addons cant do it anymore it seems

#

(and rip weak auras ofc)

stark jewel
#

hi guys i have a lot question: What should I do when I’m at full Astral Power and there are only a few seconds left before my cooldowns end? Should I save my resource for the next Eclipse, or should I spend it all immediately?
While using WoW Analyzer, I noticed that I often overcap my Astral Power during a key. I think the reason is that I don’t spend it when I’m about to finish a pull. Does it still make sense to hold it even if there is no Arcane Pulsar?
Sorry if these are stupid questions, but I often don’t know what to do in these situations.

lofty depot
#

But yea u can't filter debuffs u don't want to aee

lofty depot
stark jewel
#

incarnation

sly kayak
#

Yo, how do you play starweaver? Do you always use the proc you get or are there situations where you keep spamming starfall/starsurge instead?

lofty depot
#

Ok st if I have asp and a Starfall proc and it's the first 3 spenders at start of eclipse, u surge

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But yea u don't want to munch procs. U should be spending them if you would overcap or munch say cosmos if u tried casting

#

Most of the time u should be using ur procs

copper gate
#

Anyone know offhand the best innervate targets

exotic perch
#

whoever in the raid asks for it

royal zenith
#

paladin

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is a good target

#

but also what spy said

dense steeple
#

right now my holy priest and resto shaman fight for it

#

the paladin has never asked

royal zenith
#

you play a holy priest

drifting nova
#

when can we get a real defensive

#

so damage doesnt drop to 0

royal zenith
#

it doesnt or does?

drifting nova
#

having to bear consume is not it

red nymph
#

but but we have 30% increased stam on demand. surely thats the most OP defensive

drifting nova
#

then y am dead all the time

red nymph
#

cause youre not using it? idk

tiny tendon
#

is it a craft bracers / top geared off-tier piece week

tiny tendon
#

hell yea

lofty depot
#

One is better

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0.2%, but still better

dense steeple
#

arctic carry me in a couple keys on my alt so i can get 2k and have 4pc

royal zenith
dense steeple
#

by that i mean i need you to get me into queues

royal zenith
#

no shot you're in bear during consume smh

red nymph
lofty depot
dense steeple
#

if your alt is like 2500io+ and has ilvl then no it doesnt

lofty depot
dense steeple
#

the carry is i need a big resume to get the invite

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my alt has neither io or ilvl on my side

lofty depot
#

U also just wouldn't upgrade myth bracers vs a crafted item

dense steeple
#

getting declined from 8s

red nymph
lofty depot
#

I said they're fake

tiny tendon
#

bracers keep dodging me in dungeons lmao

#

getting mildly fed up KEKW

lofty depot
#

And I also said at the end of it all being at the same ilvl

dense steeple
lofty depot
#

L2 read ty

lofty depot
#

Mine like 255

lofty depot
dense steeple
lofty depot
#

Rip

dense steeple
#

i'll trade you, 2 key carry for 2 key carry

lofty depot
#

Oh shit

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Locken

#

When do u want to do key

dense steeple
#

you get me into 2 10s i'll get you into 2 10s

#

uh i have a pizz aon the way rn

#

after that im free?

lofty depot
#

I need 30min anyway

dense steeple
#

perfect

lofty depot
#

Need to do pvp tho too

drifting nova
cobalt fossil
#

CYGA8cL7tpvige+kkmGM9zUPWDAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWoMbNjxMDMmlxMzMLghZZmthZMjNWmxMzMmZDDAGgltxGmmZWGBAAAYzMzMzgNjhxMAmZAgB hello, some guy give me this talent for raid, it is good or not ? i parse 70% with it and that seem pretty smooth

royal zenith
#

cause our healers have hands I guess

drifting nova
#

dk missed his bubble 3x during it

lofty depot
#

U can play many builds in heroic and parse better than 70

cobalt fossil
#

the build is fine i think because my treant and my convok have same CD (not sure about the name sorry im not an english player)

lofty depot
#

Trees and convoke don't have same cd

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Unless that build is 1m convoke

cobalt fossil
#

Yes

#

1m each

lofty depot
#

Which w.e

fossil shard
#

1m convoke is vibes feet up build

edgy quarry
#

Hi guys! I was wondering about Elune Chosen talent in M+.or on Paladin bosses, we usually need more Haste, similar to the TWW meta, but I’m not sure how to sim that properly. Any advice?

lofty depot
#

Sim needing more haste or

edgy quarry
#

No I was looking on on Boomies in M+ and they all have muche more haste

#

And I remembered that at TWW I had 2 stuff for that one for Kepper one for EC

royal zenith
#

equip emberwing feather trinket

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via topgear

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change crafted gear

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add a ring has more haste

lofty depot
#

Maybe those this people just assume they need more haste

pine mica
#

i see many people go in raid with this trinket, is it really good?

royal zenith
#

I dunno, sim it

lofty depot
edgy quarry
livid jolt
lofty depot
#

U gotta do the weekly quests in voidstorm for the upgrades

lofty depot
tiny tendon
#

lmfao

pine mica
#

so this buffs on console work in raid, not only in open world voidstorm?

lofty depot
#

U could likely have mastery = haste > crit

#

It doesn't actually matter until 0.5 or so

pine mica
#

ok thx 🙂

edgy quarry
#

even on paladin ! Almost 700 haste

royal zenith
#

(sim it)

lofty depot
#

700 haste isn't that much dawg

edgy quarry
#

I've got 410 🥲

lofty depot
#

Are u 250 ilvl

#

Hace u considered getting better gear

edgy quarry
tiny tendon
#

that's so much crit lmfao

edgy quarry
lofty depot
#

U have so much Crit dawg

#

Holy

tiny tendon
#

you have DOUBLE my crit KEKW

pseudo merlin
#

HOly shit you have so much crit dawg

edgy quarry
#

It's what sim gave me I swear x)

pseudo merlin
#

Sure bud

#

show sim

edgy quarry
#

But when I comapre i'm so high

lofty depot
#

Where in the funny "stat prio" did it say Crit > haste=mastery

#

Kek

pseudo merlin
#

Did you sim your stat weights?

hybrid ermine
#

Hey, what you would guys pick for balance for vault 272 emberwing feather, or 272 helmet/tier just for stats? Not sure if ember is good enough, or if i should just hold out for vaelgor later

pseudo merlin
#

hmmmmm

edgy quarry
#

Let me show u my last sim

royal zenith
#

(is he in boomkin form)

vital hound
lofty depot
#

Holy fuck

vital hound
tiny tendon
#

???????

lofty depot
#

Yo nice trinkey

vital hound
#

warband owns

#

ive decided

royal zenith
pseudo merlin
#

remember when we all got like 7 warbound items from the world boss day 1

royal zenith
#

he was forced to roll MM hunter

deft crown
vital hound
royal zenith
#

it's bettercharacterpanel yes

deft crown
vital hound
lofty depot
#

Get better rings

edgy quarry
vital hound
pseudo merlin
vital hound
#

literally dinged 90 like

#

25 minutes ago

edgy quarry
pseudo merlin
#

ok that's like 2 keys sheep

#

where are your rings

vital hound
#

im not doing keys wtf

pseudo merlin
#

??????

vital hound
#

getting the free champ gear

pseudo merlin
#

champ gear isnt hero

vital hound
#

then getting raid funneled

pseudo merlin
#

ez

#

what if nothing drops

lofty depot
#

Get em raid funneled so I can go play m+ on dev and blast

vital hound
royal zenith
#

to be fair

#

undergeared hunter

#

probably 2x more value than bamkin

#

on at least paladins and birb

edgy quarry
pseudo merlin
#

dont sim statweights

edgy quarry
pseudo merlin
#

that was a funny

edgy quarry
#

I was just wondering what I'm doing wrong to have so much crit and not that much haste in my Sim

lofty depot
#

U have the wrong rings for starters

#

Smh

spice roost
#

why is crit so simming so much better than haste for me

lucid olive
#

nothing wrong with that sim

#

trinket also gives buttload of mastery

spice roost
#

is crit just that good

lucid olive
royal zenith
#

is crit simming better, or do you just have a lot of haste

#

thonking

spice roost
lucid olive
#

not more?

#

smh..

edgy quarry
spice roost
#

even the pvp neck is a downgrade

lofty depot
#

Go get the pvp neck

#

Go get Xenas rings

#

All will be right

spice roost
#

have them

lofty depot
#

Not u rat

spice roost
#

shh

lucid olive
#

seems fine to me

#

you have vaelgor that gives ton of mastery

spice roost
#

so crit is just really good then

lofty depot
#

Did u read ur apex talent

lucid olive
#

youre also wearing the crit ring enchants

edgy quarry
spice roost
#

well they simmed highest

lofty depot
#

Might be less

#

But maybe feels better on ec

dense steeple
#

Almost ready boss? @lofty depot

lofty depot
lofty depot
#

Wait where pvp neck silly

#

Gogogogogogo

royal zenith
#

didnt bother to add it

edgy quarry
dense steeple
#

You said 30 minutes wtf

lofty depot
#

Well haste do be good

royal zenith
#

did keep the rings at 276 at least

lofty depot
edgy quarry
dense steeple
#

Oh

royal zenith
#

you can kinda force stats on your guy

dense steeple
#

I forgot you live in bumfuck no where which means commute times are nonexistent

royal zenith
#

but it's silly to compare it to other druids

lofty depot
#

That's just not true

#

I live a block away from my shop silly

royal zenith
#

you can cherry pick any char and go "oh but this druid has way more x stat??"

#

and you'd be doing the same damage

pseudo merlin
#

Ok but

#

How much crit does Krona have?

royal zenith
lofty depot
#

Why does that matter he's on the bench

royal zenith
#

also true

pseudo merlin
lofty depot
#

Kinda sucks another tier like this

#

Didn't even get to play feral this time

pseudo merlin
#

its not a real boomkin tier if you're not playin feral

royal zenith
#

yeah I dunno

#

boomkin is just pretty shit for raids

#

bet we also just get mogged on AOE cleave

#

the supposed niche

pseudo merlin
#

yeh i mog you chickens

lofty depot
#

Nahhh

royal zenith
#

wait we should throw the usual cope

#

BuT We HaVeNt SeeN SeCreT PhAse On LasT BoSs

dense steeple
royal zenith
#

we dont have one

dense steeple
#

we havent had a niche since like legion at the latest

#

our niche is "you have 4 specs pick a different one"

edgy quarry
#

Thank you @royal zenith @lofty depot @lucid olive 🙂

royal zenith
vital hound
#

you're welcome

devout agate
#

Is it possible to use cooldown manager to add an alarm notification when CE or eclipse expires?

pseudo merlin
#

again

#

the number on it ticks down

lofty depot
#

Just look at the buff

#

Twintops changes ur asp bar the last 2 seconds if u want

devout agate
#

yea but I was wonderning if I can use a noise notification

#

like a horn or some thing

dense steeple
#

its 7 past 5 arctic

lofty depot
#

yea i got stopped by my foreman

#

im loggin on

normal pilot
#

is arctic a working stiff

dense steeple
#

yea

normal pilot
#

toiling for the man

lofty depot
#

inv

dull dust
#

arctic i need u to funnel my druid gear

#

k thx

lucid olive
dull dust
lucid olive
#

i watched him prog vaelgor and i started a stopwatch to see how long it takes for him to use barkskin

#

its still going

dull dust
royal zenith
#

how many knocks did he do

lucid olive
#

knocks?

royal zenith
#

exactly

lucid olive
#

those globals are earmarked for mushrooms

devout hazel
#

so, hows everyone feeling about boomkin

pseudo merlin
lucid olive
royal zenith
#

(it's still useless tho)

smoky sage
#

Am I the only one but does those longer stretches of time with no eclipse stacks or incarn feel like shit ?

royal zenith
#

of course it feels shit

#

you're out of cooldowns which are the biggest portion of your damage

lucid olive
smoky sage
#

intention? XD

#

that it feels even worse ?

snow elm
#

i think they should make eclipses feel more powerful

lucid olive
#

the worse you feel outside of cooldowns means you feel better inside cooldowns

#

if Eclipse is your default state, like in TWW, then any time outside of Eclipse feels like shit

#

and Eclipse is no longer your default state

honest hill
#

Never use wrath as elunes chosen in M+? Even at bosses?

snow elm
#

i just want eclipses to lower starfire/wrath cast times DX

smoky sage
lucid olive
royal zenith
#

isn't midnight referring to the like the 3minute mark

#

where you're out of cd's

lucid olive
#

since Wrath cast time is already close to being less than the GCD so the buff from Solar would be useless

snow elm
#

or at least make the eclipse give more dmg :[

royal zenith
#

like difference between in cooldowns and outside of cooldowns need to be dif ofc

#

else what's the point in having cd's

lucid olive
#

but you could also hold CDs more before that point right

royal zenith
#

HOLDING CD'S?

lucid olive
#

if you play it right you'll end up at like 65-70% eclipse uptime with CA and like 75% with incarn

#

where that uptime falls is entirely up to you..

lofty depot
royal zenith
#

pretty crappy sales-pitch

lofty depot
#

i cant tonight prob

#

this weekend fsfs

lucid olive
delicate perch
lofty depot
#

/me would never

dull dust
#

i work this weekend

lofty depot
#

can do tomorrow

#

tomorrow not weekend

dull dust
#

i work tommorow too

lofty depot
#

everyone works tomorrow

dull dust
lofty depot
#

dumbass its a weekday

warped bolt
#

can we meld off voracius fixate adds? (lol)

lucid olive
#

no

warped bolt
#

ty

dull dust
#

meld doesnt work on like any of the fixates it seems

#

or invis

lucid olive
#

invis works on something in the raid

#

i forgot what

#

think it was the adds on vorasius?

#

we had an add freak out cause our mage used ginvis for move speed

royal zenith
dull dust
#

at least the pallies still die on lura at end

delicate perch
lucid olive
delicate perch
royal zenith
lofty depot
#

oo i dont have to pvp

#

locken

livid jay
dense steeple
#

@lofty depot i accidentally tripped my power

vital hound
dense steeple
#

Tell them I didnt mean id log out lmao

vital hound
livid jay
#

lmao its from the 7tv server

#

got millions of twitch emotes on there

vital hound
#

holy heck

pseudo merlin
#

I'm happy for you, or sorry that happened

vital hound
digital berry
#

who is out here paying 15k for a craft

#

lmao

brittle lake
#

whre do you guys practice single target rotation?

whole hornet
#

inside a raid

pseudo merlin
#

in EU we are all like "tip what you want "