vers gear needs to go
#balance
normal pilot
you know 4 slots are set up
drifting nova
5 if you're lazy
normal pilot
eventually you'll fill them in
drifting nova
and/or unlucky
normal pilot
that's all ppl want
glacial steeple
Pick the one that has the worst stats
normal pilot
wow players don't want to make final choices
obsidian fjord
ah yes
glacial steeple
craft that spot
drifting nova
I got gloves last week 🙂
normal pilot
they just want easy to follow rules
obsidian fjord
i like how you know exactly what every wow player wants
lucid olive
I got gloves last week 🙂
but not 285 gloves 
obsidian fjord
your opinion = shared by every wow player
drifting nova
no, heroic, my first heroic piece
obsidian fjord
my opinion as a wow player = outlier
obsidian fjord
i guess we should just make your entire gearset a tier set that is awarded to u after getting aotc like a season journey in diablo 3
drifting nova
wouldnt go that far
obsidian fjord
who wants to think about items in an mmo
edgy quarry
I’m 3/9 MM now and I do untetstand your new name gamz @lucid olive 🥲
I don’t know if I like this way to play moonkin or not 😂
Thank god timeline reminder still work
drifting nova
tier is both simultaenosly too easy to get and too impactful to not have
am I griefing doing a 10 without 2pc
glacial steeple
Probably
dull dust
untetstand
drifting nova
is there an orbit breaker tracker
normal pilot
nope
drifting nova
reeee
normal pilot
apparently you could've just right clicked off the stat penalty from feather trinket
drifting nova
maybe I wont use it then
normal pilot
make a forum post maybe they'll add it next patch
stark meteor
will we get a thingamabob to make tier set piece on weekly reset?
lucid olive
yeah orbit breaker being untrackable is big issue
that bitch dropped when i was pooling AP to go ham on a bunch of salhadaar adds
overcapped me
dull dust
I didnt check id orbit was simming good with clank apl
lucid olive
should normalize button slop build
new moon and wild mushroom and treants ca
orbital strike
dull dust
amen
lucid olive
button bloat build was better in tww
stellar flare, wild mushroom, warrior of elune, new moon
and having to cast 2 starfire to cycle eclipse
drifting nova
sign me up
lucid olive
yeah but moons kotg is the real deal
normal pilot
fake don't fall for keeper propaganda
lucid olive
make it save for eclipses and hold for treants
drifting nova
mfw tank dragged warden from the portal in seat
dull dust
what would u even optimize with it
drifting nova
oh no
lucid olive
go ham on some charges_fractional shit
dull dust
if only full moon dmg was calc on land
lucid olive
omw
dense steeple
are you in arctics guild?
dull dust
he stream
dense steeple
oh right
normal pilot
hm maybe found another bug but idk if i want to fix it might buff kotg
dense steeple
pls buff kotg
normal pilot
convoke was eating touch
hollow mist
pls buff kotg
ill get it done
dull dust
next tier for sure
we start with more then 3 days before the season
I kinda doubt touch would ever be up when convoke is cast
lucid olive
convoke was eating touch
wtheck
manic arch
Hey fam. I need some help. For aoe rotation what are the steps? Let's say big pack pull. I have to make sure I am topped out on astral so I can dump 3 starfalls during ascendance. Now my question is this... I'm doing lower keys like 7's or 8's. Do you pop eclipse first, dump astral and THEN incarn or incarn only OR eclipse until end then incarn? Thanks
normal pilot
maybe it was bugged even more and convoke was proccing touch
but you could get touch on prepull wrath and stuff
lucid olive
ye
dull dust
normal pilot
hm i need to add more debug messages
lucid olive
Hey fam. I need some help. For aoe rotation what are the steps? Let's say big...
just dot the mobs and press eclipse into foe and then incarn
or treants or whatever other mini cd you have
manic arch
so eclipse and then immediately into incarn
dull dust
maybe it was bugged even more and convoke was proccing touch
wouldn't that lose us dmg to remove
nova ocean
Shadow of the Empyrean Requiem damage increased by 20% how competetive do we think this trinket is now compared to our top ones
dull dust
imagine kotg gets worse
lucid olive
Shadow of the Empyrean Requiem damage increased by 20% how competetive do we thi...
good trinket for execute phases
but no clue if its better than ribbon or gaze
normal pilot
hm unlucky. or does this happen in game too
nova ocean
isnt it also pretty good with how many adds we have in fights
lucid olive
i dont think it does but i can log in and convoke a few times
obsidian fjord
he stream
oh interesting cold angry man streams
he was talking some big game earlier
lucid olive
yeah but be nice to him or he gets upset
obsidian fjord
maybe a bit of hatewatching
dull dust
🧼
lucid olive
hm. it should be like that ingame actually
ok yeah it does lmao
convoked once and insta procced
lucid olive
ok nice spec is saved
now i have to walk all the way to murder row to break aggro with the dummies
thats what i get
lucid olive
yeah but now im already halfway there
normal pilot
isn't it faster to just alt-f4
dull dust
normal pilot
hm 300dps gain
drifting nova
any knowers wanna tabulate my highest chance of getting tier that isnt gloves
from a dungeon
acoustic fable
Guys i saw yesterday a shadow priest dotting a changing the platers colour? Theres is any option for boomkin?
lucid olive
no clue, havent seen it
saw someone else mention it somewhere but i didnt read into it
i guess technically you could count the amount of secret values on a mob and then make some extra bar change nameplate color for each debuff?
could be wrong tho im not addon dev
acoustic fable
i guess technically you could count the amount of secret values on a mob and the...
its works with the threat
lucid olive
cool
acoustic fable
ii try to change the spell id but i didnt find it
lucid olive
<@147914503588282368> wasnt trb
@cursive mirage
cursive mirage
digital berry
it was A tier before according to DG
indigo crow
Who has a good cdm manager to track my eclipses free sf sg? And anything else using luxs atm
lofty depot
gamz has one linked
true viper
isnt that trinket not out til tomorrow
sturdy perch
stupid simple questiong but tryign to help a freinds guild out by dpsing... on dragons do you starfall? is starfall better if its 2 targets?
exotic perch
no you starsurge on 2
sturdy perch
ok thx
lucid olive
isnt that trinket not out til tomorrow
you could get it from delve box
from the weekly quest i mean
true viper
Ah
lofty depot
I GOT FEARED FOR A YEAR ON KILL PULL
lofty depot
ye
dawn surge
does starfall snapshot ur dmg amps when cast or are they dynamically updated
exotic perch
dynamically
delicate perch
rip snapshotting
dawn surge
so then why do we not starfall before pressing cds like during eclipse
into incarn etc
is it just not worth delaying cds is that the primary reason?
lucid olive
well say you press starfall 2 times before eclipse
youre now in eclipse with 100 less AP
dawn surge
yeah fair
lucid olive
and by the time you have enough AP to spend your apex talent spenders you've lost the best balance of all things window
delicate perch
youre now in eclipse with 100 less AP
starlords for losers
dawn surge
ye i guess if u had infinite AP you could precast starfall
but since u dont u gotta just do it in incarn
makes sense
lofty depot
@wicked shuttle did u send 2nd incarn insta or wait til after 20 avg shield
i think its just hold til after cuz u hotw it prob?
leaden birch
obsidian jetty
so then why do we not starfall before pressing cds like during eclipse
it does "snapshot" the apex talent
but only for the fall(s) that is cast during it
wicked shuttle
<@181597658438172682> did u send 2nd incarn insta or wait til after 20 avg shiel...
Oh I’m benched on vanguard
I didn’t wanna get one shot
lofty depot
rip
dense steeple
dont get oneshot gg
devout ruin
Error code 40 on raidbots.. Can't find documentation around it. Updated simcraft addon, tried dungeon slice, patchwork 3 target/single target, and training dummy.
Am I the only one?
normal pilot
link the sim
delicate perch
those are some banger sim choices though
not sure I'd ever sim training dummy or dslice
devout ruin
not sure I'd ever sim training dummy or dslice
throwing it all against the wall. I know I'm trash, but I want to get a general idea of HOW trash
delicate perch
those will give you misguided info tbh
no clue if training dummy is supported but dslice is beans
what have you added at the bottom there 
devout ruin
hang on - I didn't add anything. Just copy and pasted from /simc
obsidian jetty
hang on - I didn't add anything. Just copy and pasted from /simc
you've got an old apl in your custom at the bottom
devout ruin
shenanigans.
delicate perch
🫗
silver forge
Does anyone know why people are running incarn on mythic fallen king? Noone is popping cds on adds anyways. Maby incarn gives you more damage during amp
fiery kindle
Does anyone know why people are running incarn on mythic fallen king? Noone is p...
incarn st is good, also you need kill orbs so why not
raven obsidian
Hello guys
fiery kindle
hi
raven obsidian
Is better to have these stats in the staff : mastery = haste ?
fiery kindle
Is better to have these stats in the staff : mastery = haste ?
yes
raven obsidian
Thank you martell
With the tier set and the resultats of simulation craft
Will have lot of item with crit
I m afraid that the haste will be third
lofty depot
Is better to have these stats in the staff : mastery = haste ?
u can sim it
i have mastery crit
haste isnt third
its equal to crit
raven obsidian
Ah ok
lofty depot
haste good in m+
silver forge
incarn st is good, also you need kill orbs so why not
Noone might have been a big stretch. I guess it's for flexibility more than anything, I do see a few people dumping incarn into adds rather than the damage amp
lofty depot
incarn st is good, also you need kill orbs so why not
those small orbs die so fast man
if ur worried about it play meteor storm lol
balmy smelt
Could definitely use some balance Druid mentorship of some kind. Wowhead gets so confusing sometimes 😭. Still stuck on tier 10 delves and I feel like the main problem is my rotation. I go for force of nature in delves
lofty depot
u should go for pressing n and playing bear
copper gate
how are wild shrooms used on ezarok? do we target the center orb and spam them down?
cloud citrus
any delve enjoyers know what the sanctified banner is
summons a nullaues minion that you kill for extra loot
its just a random banner that spawns somewhere in the delve
drifting nova
close, but no it just gives a defensive shield every now and then
drifting lagoon
how should i be handling moon/sunfire in single target dungeon boss fights? should i aim to reapply them when im out of eclipse and Fury of Elune isnt available?
or is this just the general rule of thumb for the whole fight regardless?
twin lotus
Yes pretty much
Fury of elune is kinda irrelevant, you just want to maintain them and just reapply if they are <20 Secs before popping CDs
drifting lagoon
i dont know why i typed out fury of elune, i was referring to Incarnation, i was even reading it off the page lol
i just wasnt sure if its a waste of a cooldown while in eclipse
wicked shuttle
how are wild shrooms used on ezarok? do we target the center orb and spam them d...
I would target the one most in the middle and just slam 2-3 charges back to back into them
round field
Stinky padder
teal sphinx
@delicate perch yo wtf?? Contain your kekkers bro. Dudes leaking out into other discords
delicate perch
what did he do
drifting nova
@delicate perch yo wtf?? Contain your saintpepsi bro. Dudes leaking out into other discords
teal sphinx
Posting in the arms discord
delicate perch
just increased the avg IQ of both discords
teal sphinx
Thats insane
delicate perch
drifting nova
I can indeed confirm
delicate perch
drifting nova
arms bad
teal sphinx
Just a cat passing through.
round field
unfrortunately kekkers is right
drifting nova
am I really that low?
round field
ur pisslow
drifting nova
need to get my yap on
teal sphinx
unfrortunately kekkers is right
Comparing kekkers mindless drone yapping to literally anyone is crazy work. Dude has 80k messages talking to himself
next shard
how do i get all my settings and addons back especially elvui?
they stuffed everything
round field
Comparing kekkers mindless drone yapping to literally anyone is crazy work. Dud...
he has less messages than me..
round field
how do i get all my settings and addons back especially elvui?
uhm as in?
next shard
uhm as in?
didnt they stuff the addons up?
round field
kinda?
next shard
havent played since shadowlands and i dont know how to get it back to the way it was haha
if anyone could assist me
drifting nova
he has less messages than me..
I can make up 2k in no time
thought elvui was also ceasing production
drifting nova
I can finally use it..yet I have not
next shard
i forgot how to run it again haha
teal sphinx
he has less messages than me..
drifting nova
Comparing kekkers mindless drone yapping to literally anyone is crazy work. Dud...
post your war you wont
next shard
and set it up as normal
i have a backup of my old ui, can i still use that somehoiw?
round field
i have a backup of my old ui, can i still use that somehoiw?
you can try
no promises that it will work tho
next shard
curseforge is still the addon mange of choice ye?
round field
curseforge is still the addon mange of choice ye?
i prefer wowup personally
drifting nova
they pretty much all use curse
round field
well ye
drifting nova
theres regular, a non overwolf one (now)
and wowup
wowups original use was it being non overwolf
next shard
i prefer wowup personally
do i have to install elvui serperately like back in the day?
drifting nova
used it back in sl
round field
do i have to install elvui serperately like back in the day?
nyo
vital hound
r1 parse is tight
a new contender
holy fuck
guess what number i just found @round field
round field
Im scared
vital hound
round field
vital hound
thats gotta be the biggest
round field
no that would be in my pants
vital hound
next shard
does anyone know if kui nameplates is no longer supported?
round field
i havent heard anyone use that addon i nyears
next shard
anyone know why my bags were replaced with embersilk bags?
round field
did u click the gear catchup thing
obsidian tapir
is there a way to track your proc trinkets ? as I couldnt find any way to do it
pallid bay
no and its mostly useless to do so anyway
obsidian tapir
thank you Oi
marsh plover
What's the best simming race for boomie
sudden flame
pandaren
round field
What's the best simming race for boomie
who cares
pick night elf
everything else is trash
ruby badger
Kul'tiran has biggest belly 😄
drifting nova
3
lone turret
what do you think will liquid reclear or go directly to midnight fall?
azure pebble
liquid will push
round field
liquid will kill before eu reset comes
round field
round field
lazy bum
royal zenith
those last minute buffs for the new bosses
spice roost
isn't it extended
ya
royal zenith
so good
spice roost
til 9am pst
royal zenith
"+70% to this ability"
spice roost
isn't it extended
its 2hour maintainance so 6 hours from now its supposed to be up
delicate perch
spice roost
according to browser
spice roost
lol they were early last two times
royal zenith
but do you trust them to lunch on time?
jaunty blaze
They sure will be hungry
spice roost
so the voidspire is just to the leech lol
im surprised this rep trinket is allowed to be as good as it is
royal zenith
it's just champion track
so it's kinda whatever
also gated by doing stuff in the world
not your best trinket at the high-end
seems fine to me
drifting nova
i wish they would buff mplus trinkets
then the question becomes why raid
spice roost
no it doesnt
drifting nova
sure it does
spice roost
no i still raid because i enjoy it
obtuse jungle
trying to pug dreamrift is making me lose my sanity
which difficulty ?
spice roost
and you can get mythic lvl trinkets without vault luck
drifting nova
which difficulty ?
hc
half these people blowing their load on the shitty adds
so the big one never dies
obtuse jungle
LMAO you probably didn't play with my warrior on mythic yesterday bro
drifting nova
didnt do hc this week so eh
drifting nova
demons not even pull timing
obtuse jungle
was doing tank dammage on chim
drifting nova
just sending it
obtuse jungle
he was lower than tank actually
round field
Why are u getting ragebaited 2 days in a row..
spice roost
lol
drifting nova
and I disengaged off platform gg
spice roost
^this is who your conversing with
drifting nova
camera reset itself on soak
I was facing the right way to begin with
scammed by blizz
obtuse jungle
its only HC you'll get it soon
drifting nova
first soak bad and this is proof
drifting nova
playing incarn on chim ?
idk probably I dont read talents
never getting to use convoke at this rate
spice roost
lmao
obtuse jungle
XD you should ahaha
spice roost
it hasnt been broken for over a week
obtuse jungle
incarn is better for some fight or sims higher by a lil bit cause you can choose how to spend i think its the reasoning am i wrong pixal ?
on chim all top parser use incarn tho
spice roost
cause adds
obtuse jungle
yep so you can delete adds
obtuse jungle
if you are in first group, you really want to send on adds if you wanna parse
drifting nova
eh parse smarse
obtuse jungle
kinda wack keeping cd till first soak then pot and send -_-
but if you wanna parse thats the way it seems
drifting nova
trying to without 4pc is doomed
obtuse jungle
4 pc is a really huge upgrade
drifting nova
missed pull gg
spice roost
imagine not haveing 4p
drifting nova
prase gone
obtuse jungle
some people got really unlucky and didn't do heroic first week and all, maybe he is a little more casual than other ?
obtuse jungle
aren't we supposed to help them out ?
spice roost
beyond help
obtuse jungle
some people are more casual than others don't you think ?
drifting nova
3people died to intermission breath
and tank didnt move boss so big guy got there
pugs are fun
obtuse jungle
wtf
drifting nova
absolute animals
obtuse jungle
i think you are with the zoo group atm XD
obtuse jungle
no 4 set as well
drifting nova
you will learn
I get it, you have no slug
round field
Whats a slug
floral temple
snail
obtuse jungle
kinda nice mount tbh
drifting nova
slug
dim ruin
Does anyone know about a mythic pug raid going today?
sudden flame
Wha
dim ruin
Like first 2 or something
obtuse jungle
there's probably will tbh just look it up if you have decent parse on HC and stuff they might invite you
south zephyr
I got parse between 20 and 50% and still getting invites for HC raids so it is possible for everyone
obtuse jungle
i am not sure for mythic my guy
round field
thats cause they didnt look at ur logs
obtuse jungle
if you do not go over 85% average first week or or second on HC they kinda don't accept you brother
drifting nova
and the trink dropped
obtuse jungle
cause even with a group that everyone perform on mythic if its full pug its hard even with voice and all since its a fresh group and you change couple players every 3-5 pulll
frozen osprey
hello guys is there a % range for secondary stats we are aiming for? i can't find it into resources
obtuse jungle
and the trink dropped <:VerySadCat:845090284231458817>
did you got it ?
obtuse jungle
pray for it in your vault XD
obtuse jungle
thats cause they didnt look at ur logs
what are you playing atm ?
round field
league
obtuse jungle
i meant as classes -_-
frozen osprey
hello guys is there a % range for secondary stats we are aiming for? i can't fin...
these are mine atm any suggest is appriciated
south zephyr
thats cause they didnt look at ur logs
Keep it that way
maiden pasture
hello guys is there a % range for secondary stats we are aiming for? i can't fin...
Because that's now how you gear ideally, you dont shoot for a specific % of stats you just sim topgear to equip the best gear you have, then run droptimisers to SIM for upgrades
frozen osprey
Because that's now how you gear ideally, you dont shoot for a specific % of stat...
thanks a lot
delicate perch
thats cause they didnt look at ur logs
obtuse jungle
big parser XD
obtuse jungle
Because that's now how you gear ideally, you dont shoot for a specific % of stat...
lil question maya,
when we sims, does in take in account our vault that we have possible ?
round field
topgear does yes
obtuse jungle
ooh
round field
you can select vault items
obtuse jungle
that should be an interesting vault then
round field
bold of you to assume im not leeching off someone else
drifting nova
I just know nexus point
has nothing but jewellery
and trinkets
not like I've done 8 dungs now with no loot whatsoever
tier or otherwise
never 2p
skyreach spam is nice atleast
median wedge
imagine paying for a service that costs money to run
round field
imagine paying for anything u can get for free
kindred pine
hey guys when do you guys swap between sundered firmament and orbit breaker for m+?
kindred pine
i was just checking warcraftlogs and some of the highest keys done seem to swap the two out and im just wondering what the difference is
round field
most likely vibes
kindred pine
💀
spice roost
not wrong tbh
kindred pine
Surely theres a reason or difference lol
round field
yeah
a difference in vibes
its just
theres quite a few talents that kinda do fuck all
and you can pick what u want without there being a big difference
spice roost
Surely theres a reason or difference lol
can always sim it
kindred pine
One more question xD
When i pop incarn with Elunes chosen do i use wrath for single target or starfire?
steel light
Hello owl friends
Is there any possibility like in tww to track enemy counter where moonfire/sunfire is missing
I was using this in tww via weakaura
livid jay
yea no thats not possible anymore
slender island
have the dots show up in the nameplates and use your eyes 
livid jay
but its also not that important anymore to have every single mob dotted
copper gate
I would target the one most in the middle and just slam 2-3 charges back to back...
Thanks!
next shard
what is the substitute for the weakaura action bar that used to be in the middle of the screen?
how would i get this back?
slender island
how would i get this back?
also see https://discord.com/channels/114145367322394624/1473018731687841853 some pretty good resources there
lucid olive
this guy knows ball
next shard
the cooldown manager
thats the only way to get it as close as possible? 🙁
lucid olive
well there are several addons that can do stuff with the CDM
theres too many to choose from to recommend a single one
ayijecdm, better cooldown manager, cooldown manager centered, eqol, skiron cooldown manager, arcui, ellesmereui etc...
lucid olive
timelinereminders
lucid olive
it hasnt been tied to liquid since nerubar i think
but yeah
still paywalled
NSRT default alerts are decent too
royal zenith
NSRT default alerts are decent too
I need custom reminders/alerts
and I think NSRT uses viserio type of shit
lucid olive
NSRT interacts with MRT note
royal zenith
aka takes me like a full 30 minutes to add 1 line of text cause everything is way too convoluted
ye
lucid olive
its all kinda confusing and dogshit imo
royal zenith
it is
lucid olive
then there's like 3 addons that display private auras
i actually have no idea what the 3rd one is, but i disabled bigwigs and nsrt ones
edgy quarry
timelinereminders
Incredible one I love it
lucid olive
Gamz not sharing his code to deux
i don't use a code
lofty depot
What the
lucid olive
lucky just zips the latest version of timelinereminders before every raid and posts in resources channel
lofty depot
Lol
lucid olive
cause wowup is a bit bugged with github tokens
edgy quarry
😱😱😱
round field
why do u need reminders
lucid olive
why do u need reminders
to breathe manually
round field
so skill issue
obsidian fjord
blizzard killed addons so we can enjoy the game
round field
blizzard killed addons so we can enjoy the game
wrong
lucid olive
blizzard killed addons so we can enjoy the game
yeah i really enjoyed installing the mandatory weakauras for paladin boss
slender island
true and real
obsidian fjord
the game is much better now that i am using meekauras on paladins instead of weakauras and nsrt on salhadaar instead of mrt
edgy quarry
I don t tkink they are bad but they fucked up this time
obsidian fjord
im really enjoying it
edgy quarry
Worst rwf
Too much addon
round field
I don t tkink they are bad but they fucked up this time
so what ur saying is theyre bad
drifting nova
unsurprisingly they didnt think about it past the first part
lucid olive
bosses being easy for rwf is fine
they also buffed beloren and increased the ilvl it drops so guess they bumped it up to penultimate
obsidian fjord
i had my doubts about removing addons but someone on the wow forums really convinced me otherwise
drifting nova
always the heroic week playing into it
obsidian fjord
its still 3 months away from midnight launch plenty of time to fix all this
edgy quarry
so what ur saying is theyre bad
Cause they do good things too ! It a 20 year game so not that bad 😂
drifting nova
was always going to be scuffed with a staggered release
round field
Cause they do good things too ! It a 20 year game so not that bad 😂
do they tho
give me an example
obsidian fjord
Cause they do good things too ! It a 20 year game so not that bad 😂
can u name 1 for raiding
only thing i can think of is upgrade system for alts
edgy quarry
bosses being easy for rwf is fine
I diseagree with you, but I’m waiting the last boss to say my point of view we will see with the last boss 🤷♂️
lucid olive
only thing i can think of is upgrade system for alts
killing a boss that drops 4/6 myth makes every item in your vault from that difficulty be 4/6
obsidian fjord
i don't like that change
lucid olive
I diseagree with you, but I’m waiting the last boss to say my point of view we w...
not everyone can be correct so it's fine to disagree
round field
yes if ur mentally ill
lucid olive
it makes you do dumb shit with comps
how so
obsidian fjord
if ur a normal human guild not full of degens
every time i am here u are typing degen shit permanently
lucid olive
can't think of any reason to avoid killing a boss with better loot
obsidian fjord
you are not a normal human
obsidian fjord
can't think of any reason to avoid killing a boss with better loot
it's much more punishing than before to lose a boss vault increase than before
round field
explain
lucid olive
it's much more punishing than before to lose a boss vault increase than before
skull issue
edgy quarry
give me an example
Hum….
Except for cooldownslop I kinda like the moonkin today
They do good stuff with the professions
drifting nova
Hum….
Except for cooldownslop I kinda like the moonkin today
They do good stu...
except for 95% of the class I like the big birb
obsidian fjord
skull issue
what are you even talking about
edgy quarry
not everyone can be correct so it's fine to disagree
I like your way of thinking!
lucid olive
just kill the boss
drifting nova
@lucid olive whats a fight I can convoke on without giga griefing
obsidian fjord
i am talking about changing comps to rotate people in a roster that were not in for all bosses on your reclear
lucid olive
<@147914503588282368> whats a fight I can convoke on without giga griefing
all of them
obsidian fjord
and you are just yapping
drifting nova
round field
Hum….
Except for cooldownslop I kinda like the moonkin today
They do good stu...
moonkin kinda boring lowkey still
same spec for the last 5 years
only real change is making eclipse a button
drifting nova
all of them
r u sure bout that
pallid bay
yeah i really enjoyed installing the mandatory weakauras for paladin boss
u a healer or
pallid bay
lil gup
drifting nova
or ten
lucid olive
i am talking about changing comps to rotate people in a roster that were not in ...
and how did the vault change affect that
you still did this before
spice roost
r u sure bout that
link the actual log
obsidian fjord
people complain about blizzard killing addons but then blizzard gives them a real weakaura back out of the goodness of their heart and they get mad about that too
curious
lucid olive
you'll do it for whatever next system they introduce
royal zenith
why would I go to one shop if the other 10 offer way better quality products
drifting nova
link the actual log
I dont think I will
spice roost
lol
lofty depot
"goodness of their heart"
obsidian fjord
you still did this before
the opportunity cost is much higher because of the ilvl change. thats what I said in my first comment
drifting nova
all I know is soon as adds spawned I went down
edgy quarry
can u name 1 for raiding
Raid are fine in fact... Just a bit too easy for now but I'm waiting last bosses
obsidian fjord
i am glad you got to the point
round field
the opportunity cost is much higher because of the ilvl change. thats what I sai...
why didnt u complain about this last patch
lucid olive
why didnt u complain about this last patch
he's a clover
joins to complain
tilts when people disagree
royal zenith
delete all the addons
round field
edgy quarry
professions suck
depends ! since tww I kinda like it ! Except what they do with inscription they killed it at midnight...
obsidian fjord
why didnt u complain about this last patch
how do you know that I didn't
lofty depot
comes back a year later
Make new account
edgy quarry
moonkin kinda boring lowkey still
i agree but lowkey are boring
round field
how do you know that I didn't
educated guess
obsidian fjord
you are definitely not educated
lucid olive
Make new account
i wish hytes did this
lofty depot
Also, he's like 20 so just a young blud
royal zenith
ackshually
edgy quarry
only real change is making eclipse a button
which making things interesting and change a bit the way to play it
round field
why are u on my side dunce
round field
arent u supposed to flame me
obsidian fjord
you are using those words in the most generous way possible
royal zenith
agent of chaos
lucid olive
he's by definition educated
round field
you are also using a lot of words
royal zenith
I don't think it's generous, just facts
round field
but not saying anything
obsidian fjord
but not saying anything
i'm glad you reused my own joke that I said to you
really doing a good job
royal zenith
too early in the week though
round field
just slightly
royal zenith
friday is my waste time day
drifting nova
whats non shit eclipse uptime
obsidian fjord
i am in a zen state
royal zenith
missing out on tons of opportunity...
pallid bay
you slot someone in and increase the ilvl of their entire raid vault
royal zenith
mechanics are hard..
pallid bay
compared to before where you slot someone in and they may not get any higher ilvl piece at all in their vault
round field
you slot someone in and increase the ilvl of their entire raid vault
wrong u dont slot someone in and decrease the ilvl of their entire raid vault
obsidian fjord
the opportunity cost of not changing comps to optimise vaults for bench or speculating comps for later boss is higher
round field
ur just making shit up
royal zenith
you been listening too much to max
obsidian fjord
you been listening too much to max
that's extremely insulting
royal zenith
correct
obsidian fjord
now I am quite mad actually
pallid bay
explain it to me like im five i guess
round field
pallid bay
whats the difference between before and after
lofty depot
He's on paladins so they need to optimize comp, u wouldn't understand
obsidian fjord
explain it to me like im five i guess
it's not a complicated point
pallid bay
then explain it
obsidian fjord
the value of going to effort to optimise vaults on reclear is higher than b efore
drifting nova
I cant wait for liquid to finish the raid before europe even gets it
surely that'l be fun 🙂
obsidian fjord
the pain point is if you are now reclearing a boss that may take some of your time on reclear
royal zenith
round field
but the raid is dead
royal zenith
tru or tru?
round field
what are we optimising
drifting nova
what are we optimising
eclipse uptime
obsidian fjord
but by bringing your prog comp, you restrict vaults
round field
you dont need more gear
obsidian fjord
depends on what you have on bench and what specs you need for later bosses
royal zenith
is it really a cost if it's your job
pallid bay
this was not the case before?
round field
this was not the case before?
no cause now the item in vault is 3 ilvl higher
you wouldnt get it sune
obsidian fjord
this was not the case before?
losing the vault on x bench character hurt less than before
before, if you do 3x m+ vault
lofty depot
this was not the case before?
Not for him, its his first time killing more than 2 bosses week 1
lucid olive
this was not the case before?
nah you just vibe decided comp before trust
drifting nova
what are you on about blud
obsidian fjord
your vault is better protected than it is now
round field
did they uh
drifting nova
I'm just trying herb
round field
add guards to it
drifting nova
and you're flooding the airwaves
obsidian fjord
now even if you have a full m+ vault, if you are missing an ilvl upgrade in the raid vault for whatever reason, its worse
lofty depot
This important
round field
obsidian fjord
I also think it makes vault rng worse on the side
round field
I think
pallid bay
so you had bad m+ vault and bad raid vault before
round field
You should stop thinking
pallid bay
but now
round field
Ur overworking ur hamsters
pallid bay
you can get bad m+ vault and good raid vault if you choose to take someone from the bench
obsidian fjord
you loot something good from paladin or dragons in your vault
pallid bay
and the good raid vault is just by default since bringing them would upgrade ilvl for all raid items in vault
pallid bay
where as before you had the item in vault drop at specific ilvl
obsidian fjord
you can get bad m+ vault and good raid vault if you choose to take someone from ...
what do you mean
you mean "you have the chance of getting"
?
drifting nova
worse rng now than bfa chest*
royal zenith
he needs to clarify what rng is?
obsidian fjord
is that what I said?
pallid bay
you upgrade your vault by bringing a bench player to a later boss
round field
pallid bay
thats what im saying
round field
a lot of nothing was said today
pallid bay
you couldnt do that before
jade flume
Buff bamkn
obsidian fjord
yes it's very important to do that
pallid bay
you would have to bring your benched player to a later boss
obsidian fjord
and it was less important to do that before
pallid bay
that player would have to hope to get those items in the vault
since those would be a higher item level
lucid olive
yes it's very important to do that
and hows that a bad thing????
do you not want your benched players to have fun on a boss??
royal zenith
no fuck the benchies
obsidian fjord
because it creates extra admin work outside of raid
royal zenith
(please bench me)
sudden flame
Clarify this
lofty depot
Blud said extra admin work.... First time setting up rosters for bosses
sudden flame
pallid bay
like its more important now to bring them if you think you will need them sure, maybe thats the point you're making
obsidian fjord
maybe we can check if that was the very first thing I said
pallid bay
but like you're incentivized to do that before if you needed them
obsidian fjord
yes and the gain is now higher than it was before
lucid olive
Blud said extra admin work.... First time setting up rosters for bosses
acting as if officers wouldn't spend that time doing other "admin work"
obsidian fjord
in the past, if you were unsure if you needed to gear something like an extra blood dk
the importance of getting it proactively into a raid clear
lofty depot
Maybe u were unsure
obsidian fjord
was less than it is now
pallid bay
the gain is higher cause there's no rng to what ilvl the vault will give you
obsidian fjord
you could supplement better with M+ than you can now
pallid bay
you would still gear them or
royal zenith
gain before was bigger cause you could force specific loot on people doing specific bosses
tru or tru?
obsidian fjord
removing the RNG of ilvl between the vault rewards is a good thing
pallid bay
how so
obsidian fjord
i dont disagree with that
jade flume
I like better loots in my vault, even if im the minority
pallid bay
yeah i mean i think its fine it dosnt really bother me
not like we have endless crests to spend anyway
royal zenith
love cresticles
obsidian fjord
on this note
drifting nova
the ilvl rng got removed?
lofty depot
Uncapped crests go hard
obsidian fjord
the boss unlock being based on the dungeon journal order
or whatever
is fucking stupid
lofty depot
What would it be based on silly
pallid bay
whats the alternative
obsidian fjord
the boss that you killed
lofty depot
.....
round field
what
royal zenith
he's referring to my force loot comment
pallid bay
so the old system?
obsidian fjord
I'm not, I didn't read anything you said
lucid olive
remove the vault honestly
obsidian fjord
you could say I made an educated guess that your opinion isnt worth thinking about
lofty depot
The old system yea. Where u skipped bosses on people to not get worse items.
Ie "sit me for x boss cuz it doesn't have my trinket"
obsidian fjord
The old system yea. Where u skipped bosses on people to not get worse items.
I...
yes it's a hot take
but I actually think this is better
but it has massive drawbacks
round field
i dont think
lofty depot
Talk about extra admin work knowing what bosses are ur best ones for loot
round field
you were educated what massive means
lofty depot
Very educated take mmhm mmhm
obsidian fjord
in the context of the conversation about raid admin it is another chore
round field
actually
obsidian fjord
but it's the inverse
pallid bay
but I actually think this is better
lowkey think its worse
round field
and im fine with that
lofty depot
It's worse
pallid bay
cause you end up in a situation where killing a boss is just worse for majority
but they will have to do it regardless
and then instead you have stupid alts if boss is easy enough
to not taint your vault
obsidian fjord
yes that is true
pallid bay
and then you have potentially -1 vault slot on some players
lofty depot
Kill paladins and alleria once, skip it forever and get 4 vault with vaelgor and gaze chances
pallid bay
all bosses cant drop your bis
lofty depot
Rather than tainting it with other shit
drifting nova
no
obsidian fjord
I don't think on balance it's ever worth to bring a mirror or something to avoid a boss kill on a main because of bad loot on that boss if it would mean dropping a vault slot on that main
lofty depot
Why would someone have a geared mirror outside of rwf
obsidian fjord
adding a vault slot is going to give you a higher chance of getting something you want even if it includes 1 boss of dead loot
drifting nova
you dont have 4 druids?
royal zenith
but all bosses can drop not shit loot
not how loot works..
lofty depot
Ur talking well outside ur ass
obsidian fjord
Why would someone have a geared mirror outside of rwf
because that is the scenario he gave
drifting nova
not how loot works..
exactly how loot works
obsidian fjord
it can be an alt of a different class I don't care
royal zenith
if one piece of loot is the best, the others are trash...
obsidian fjord
you talk about white names but this orange name is just bathing in mud like that guy in dune
pallid bay
round field
spoilers?
pallid bay
colored names bad
lofty depot
U have the objective worst takes
round field
mods ban him
pallid bay
i blocked iqni, im sure he's typing without reading again
lofty depot
And uve been here 10 days
obsidian fjord
it was the first one wasn't it
lofty depot
It's insane
round field
i blocked iqni, im sure he's typing without reading again
what the
pallid bay
lil gup
round field
why would u do that
pallid bay
yea u
round field
thats rude
royal zenith
justified
round field
sune certified hater
royal zenith
he hates lesser educated
drifting nova
cant believe a mage got orange before me
royal zenith
I can
drifting nova
found out yday you can manually type of the amount of something from a vendor
instead of spamming the > button
round field
instead of spamming the > button
kekkers thats been in the game for 25 years
obsidian fjord
well I will say I am disappointed that that entire argument overblew the question that started it which was "name an example of blizzard doing something good with raids"
lofty depot
found out yday you can manually type of the amount of something from a vendor
This is the kekkers everyone knows
obsidian fjord
because I would have preferred a lot more to just flame blizzard
drifting nova
hows an alchemist get a philo stone
royal zenith
Sometimes life just doesn't go the way you plan it
how much you try to manipulate it
distant hawk
how to run a simulation for a blance druid on raidbots?¿
lofty depot
Press the run sim button after importing ur /simc strings
distant hawk
ye
lofty depot
ye
distant hawk
avanced simulation in droptimaicer
lofty depot
Well if u want to run a droptomizer u check some of the boxes. For season 1 raid or dungeons
lofty depot
it's like one of those walmart greeters they have
Show logs
spice roost
lol