balance

[drifting nova]

is ec playable on dreamrift

[lofty depot]

i assume it is

i was gonna slam a few pulls on it tomorrow

keeper is better burst and thats what all the add spawns are so

[lyric stag]

i am here for my weekly gamz ping

@lofty depot u got me?

[lofty depot]

asuh dood

[lyric stag]

need u to intervene and ping my good pal gamz for me so he does not ban me

[dull dust]

@lucid olive

ban that guy anyway

[lofty depot]

@lucid olive

why would he ban u

did i forgot a bit

[lyric stag]

no he is just a big meanie head 2 me

ever since the logged off moonkin incident...

[lofty depot]

first mage now lock

[lyric stag]

sad day for all of us

[lucid olive]

silence warlock

[dull dust]

rough

[lyric stag]

🙁

do u guys wanna start arguing and calling each other bad names like they do in the feral channel

there's some crazy shit going on in there

[dull dust]

I hate u ugly

[lucid olive]

i have every channel except this one muted

[lyric stag]

why is the mage player being so mean to me now 🙁

[lucid olive]

even the secret ones..

[lofty depot]

i havent bene paying attention what drama now

[dull dust]

I hate everyone

[lyric stag]

u know chancel idc what forgy says about u man ur alright in my book

[dull dust]

what the fuck

[royal zenith]

are we fighting

[dull dust]

@white crag

[lyric stag]

(he says nothing but nice things)

[royal zenith]

get me in

[drifting nova]

hc dreamrift too hard, nerf when

[dull dust]

we fighting

[lyric stag]

u think that guy is awake before 5pm u are insane

[dull dust]

he will feel my anger

[lyric stag]

@royal zenith big fan

[royal zenith]

@lyric stag big fan

dont let this mage make go crazy

[dull dust]

oh i didnt read this

nice

I love forgy

[astral raft]

is this confirmed?

[lucid olive]

yes

it got nerfed tho so its not as good anymore

[astral raft]

I couldnt find the buff on logs, what is its name?

[lucid olive]

uuuuh

inspired or something?

its something with an exclamation mark

[dull dust]

wtf

femboy trinket

[normal pilot]

hm is it even b tier after the nerf

[nimble tangle]

Charm, fuck charm trinket

[astral raft]

nope cant see it, might be my brain tho

[nimble tangle]

I farmed so much and my alt devour looted just now

[normal pilot]

also apparently it's not from ap gain it's dumber, procs off buffs & background ticks

[dull dust]

which is good that we have 400 buffs

[lucid olive]

everything below a is vibe rated

[normal pilot]

you should relable the tiers to V I B E

[astral raft]

"Time To Shine!" found it

around 30% uptime

Probably not a coincedence that it was never up while I had my active trinket buff*

[lucid olive]

nah need to fit the template

[normal pilot]

V I B E S?

[lucid olive]

true

SIBEV

[soft dragon]

If you proc free starfall from starweaver and u have ascendant stars up during incarn, u spend it asap anyway or surge as long as u have ascendant

[lucid olive]

spend it on starfall

[cobalt junco]

this cant be right XD

[normal pilot]

he's talking about ratings on gear, not character sheet

nobody actually looks at the sheet values to make comparisons

it's pretty useless info

[cobalt junco]

huh?

im confused sorry

[normal pilot]

when ppl talk about general stats, they're talking about how many ratings you get on the gear you use

ppl don't look at the %s

[lucid olive]

im such an artist

[cobalt junco]

its amazing XD ❤️

so what number am i looking for or is that not the right question?

i simmed again and mastery is 3rd

haste-crit-master

[lucid olive]

don't sim stat weights

stop worrying about stats

sim gear instead

[cobalt junco]

doing one now, is a big one XD with gems and enchants

[lucid olive]

"do I gain damage by equipping this item or that item?" and then sim droptimizer or top gear or whatever

[cobalt junco]

yeahhh been farming neck

[lucid olive]

stat prio are more guidelines

[cobalt junco]

5000 pit runs

[modest wagon]

Do you guys run soul of the forest or sunseeker mushroom in m+

[cobalt junco]

mushroom yeha

i play EC and it dont use soul

[modest wagon]

yeah im looking al the top like 100 logs of a dungeon and it seems to be evenly split between EC sotf and EC mushroom

trying to think abt how much value i get out of sotf

mushrooms seems nice tho

[cobalt junco]

i get a to much AP problem so i dont need SOTF, i also dont play AC

astral communion

[cobalt junco]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qQ2AGT1FRybEecVp1w74Az

my sim, now its just saying to change gems back to matery ones

[minor anchor]

Where consumables always this good? A flask is basically the same amoutn of secondary stats as your helmet or the same slots

[lucid olive]

no it's saying that it doesn't matter

if number is blue

then it doesn't matter

[cobalt junco]

ohh

so

im good

WAIT ITS +4 DPS

XD sorry am trolling

[minor anchor]

+4 not even bad

[fiery kindle]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/sPV6cVMivs3QmNCbzmVAXV

[cobalt junco]

oh good shout what about the ring combo? are they not better?

[lucid olive]

ring combo is good yeah

[cobalt junco]

there a line to sim with them??

[royal zenith]

add them to topgear

:3

[cobalt junco]

so i been grinding for wrong rings???? -_-

[lucid olive]

just add them in top gear with item search box

[fiery kindle]

unf yes

[royal zenith]

you're asking a lot of question you can just find out

[cobalt junco]

what a fucked up day

[royal zenith]

by simming

[cobalt junco]

yaya i got u

[royal zenith]

every char is so different

and the loot you get too

[dull dust]

im gunns get those rings in my first 2 vaults

shrimple

[royal zenith]

rather have vaelgor's stare..

stinky rings

[dull dust]

just loot it in the raid

[royal zenith]

loot these

[dull dust]

🔩

[fiery kindle]

ur talents not single

once, change talents and sim

ur real dps 89-90 maybe

[cobalt junco]

as in not convoke build?

[fiery kindle]

u simmed with incarn

[cobalt junco]

but in raid vorsaius only like ST boss

[fiery kindle]

take convoke and sim

[cobalt junco]

yeah i simmed with that made more sense to me

am i stupid?

[fiery kindle]

its pure single target sim, so i think u need change talent and sim

[dull dust]

theres logic behind simming incarn

if u have a reason in mind do that

[cobalt junco]

^^ thats wat im saying

[lucid olive]

do you want the tech

i can proc you 3k dmg

[fiery kindle]

sounds good

[cobalt junco]

i do i do

[lucid olive]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/k6dwMRtXZUPdpoKMaXZQUU

EC slop talents

[normal pilot]

add /auto_attack to the apl, free damage

[lucid olive]

true

[normal pilot]

and no 4set to fuck things up

[lusty echo]

Is there somewhere on the discord where we can post our logs to have some advice insights please ?

[lucid olive]

yeah

you should DM it to @lofty depot though

[fiery kindle]

i want sim like this, but take starweaver , how can i do?

more enjoy it with starweaver

[dull dust]

[lusty echo]

Done thanks

[fiery kindle]

ty!

[lucid olive]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/q2J9jh1RiBkSYtiiChHmBx

[lofty depot]

....

[cobalt junco]

KEKW

[fiery kindle]

[drifting nova]

is convoke playable on dreamrift yet

[lucid olive]

ye

[fiery kindle]

thanks to arctic, im hitting better

[dull dust]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/aLnW29odUe6eB2fdb7hXYw

best talents

no question

[gaunt ruin]

Guys. I have a question. I crafted offhand and wrist with embellishment. I seen that most of the players crafted the two hand. What should i do next. Take a one hand from the vault if i get one or craft the main hand and take another item?

[vital hound]

[lofty depot]

u should consider reading a guide first

[dull dust]

poor soul

[lofty depot]

but then pray u get a mythic 1h out of vault ye

[fiery kindle]

high crit / low mas gems simming beter but my mastery is too low like this i guess

[cobalt junco]

am i blind wheres your 2nd embe? or u sim better without one?

[fiery kindle]

should i take one?

[lucid olive]

not my character

[cobalt junco]

oh mb

[fiery kindle]

waiting wednesday

[lucid olive]

also yeah maxed out hero item probably better than 246 with embellishment

[dull dust]

no idea

I just wanted to see convoke 1m kotg

I love that build

the dream

[fiery kindle]

just take it starweaver..

[dull dust]

[gaunt ruin]

I did. It said early craft two hand but overall said that off hand is bis

[dull dust]

if u weaver go incarn

be sad

[lofty depot]

yea one of those isnt crest efficient

[lucid olive]

man i procced like 6 free spenders in a row when orbs spawned on salhadaar

dopamine straight in my veins

[lofty depot]

thats badass no

[royal zenith]

Can you just give him advice

[exotic perch]

but then you lok at meter and cry

[dull dust]

still got beat by the frost mage right

[lucid olive]

nah i was blasting those pulls

[royal zenith]

Instead of wanting to make him feel shit about his decision

[lofty depot]

i did give him advice

learn to read rat

[dull dust]

should probably report ur mage

[royal zenith]

Yeah

“Read a guide”

[lofty depot]

and then i flamed him after

noooooooooooo

[minor anchor]

Im playing some KotG Incarn in my M's and having your Solstice be above 10s when exiting eclipse

HOLY

[royal zenith]

Good advice

Big L

[lofty depot]

silly deux

[dull dust]

fight

[royal zenith]

Common

[lofty depot]

stfu

[royal zenith]

Yuge

L

[lofty depot]

[royal zenith]

Okay bedtime

[dull dust]

save the wrestling for the bedroom

[royal zenith]

Chancel you take it over from here 🤝

Make him sweat

[dull dust]

already did

ec is better again

[lucid olive]

deux and arctic

[royal zenith]

[lucid olive]

sparks are flying

[lusty echo]

Hey if anyone want to give me insights I'm all ears I don't understand why I'm so bad I don't know what I'm doing wrong https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/J62G9Tyvq8mCgWBN?fight=14&type=damage-done&source=93

[lofty depot]

SIR

i was looking at the log

deux distracted me

[drifting nova]

trying to pug dreamrift was a mistake

[lofty depot]

u sent incarn giga late

adds spawn at 1m

[drifting nova]

too many stoopids

[lofty depot]

idk why u held incarn til after

[lusty echo]

I always try to align it with foe and from that's why I delay sometimes

[lofty depot]

u dont delay presses based on that

theres like 20m damage waiting to be padded on

and u ignore it

u also had a lot of gaps while they were alive

[lucid olive]

cast more

dont let dots fall off

[lucid olive]

cast more in CDs

[lofty depot]

sent foe and trees outside of eclipse

[lucid olive]

lost potential on all 3 CDs

[lofty depot]

should od the mage build a house thing

[vital hound]

gamz outsourcing his log reviews

[sleek dirge]

im assuming its to save some gcd for fillers and spenders ? 🤔

[lusty echo]

Oh I didn't see that... Must have forgotten to press eclipse. Is should foe, trees and then eclipse right ?

[lofty depot]

@dull dust thats a good meme no

[lofty depot]

no.... he didnt press eclipse

[lucid olive]

man wowanalyzer is such a good tool you dont need anything else

[lofty depot]

yes

[dull dust]

whats a good meme

[lusty echo]

How do you see all that ?

[lucid olive]

wowanalyzer.com

[lofty depot]

uhh one sec

[lucid olive]

then put log into thing

[lusty echo]

I thought I didn't work with new patch

[delicate perch]

@ grok why did I do no damage here

[vital hound]

just dm arctic

ezpz

[sleek dirge]

Question : should you then Eclipse/Incarn and then FoE and Trees ?

[lucid olive]

real

[vital hound]

[lucid olive]

read guide

[cobalt junco]

Thank u for the help again guys!

[lucid olive]

look openers

compendium guide in pins and channel description

[normal pilot]

wowanalyzer is sometimes missing the latest minor optimization things

[normal pilot]

but it always has the things that actually matter like uptime/ap & cd usage

[lusty echo]

I don't understand what I should have done differently here

[lofty depot]

pretty house

[lusty echo]

That's my main issue with balance the CDs aren't the same duration

[tribal tapir]

is elunes chosen the go-to for m+ rn?

[lucid olive]

but thats not what happened there

you sent treants+incarn at 0:08

[lusty echo]

I didn't press trees cause foe wasn't ready

[lucid olive]

and then next one at 1:20 something

you held FoE for 15 ish seconds

and you held treants for 40 minus 15(control of the dream)

if you delay your treants and send at 1:05 ish then you dont overcap the cooldown and you can FoE at the very start of it

[dull dust]

👍

[sleek dirge]

you can add special sounds for Trees and FoE so you remember to watch their CDs directly with the in-game cd trackers
For exemple I have a sheep sound for Trees 🐑

[lucid olive]

can't blame the cooldowns being naturally desynced when you got up to brew a pot of coffee after your FoE came up

[molten parcel]

Quick question about opener, why is there Fury of Elune and no Force of Nature? Even though template build doesn't take FoE as a talent 😅 Is this an error or we shouldn't send FoN during opener?

[lucid olive]

oopsie

[lucid olive]

hm i think your browser must be bugged, if you leave your computer for like 5 minutes and then come back and refresh the page it should work!

[lusty echo]

I'm sorry it's still unclear. I should have sent my foe even though treants weren't ready ?

[lucid olive]

treants were ready

you used your first treants at 0:08

they then go on a 45 second cooldown

whats 45 + 8

[lusty echo]

I must have been confused then... I spammed mm+ as elune chosen so much that I may have forgotten about treants.... God this spec is so hard 😔

[lucid olive]

just play EC then

[lusty echo]

53

[lucid olive]

EC with convoke better for single target anyway

but dont tell anyone its secret

[lusty echo]

I play what I see is the best on warcraftlogs

[exotic perch]

what a timeline

[lucid olive]

its long convoke too

even better

easy little 5-6 second channel

should have made it an extra second too tbh

https://tenor.com/view/cat-67-scp-67-funyuns-funny-gif-75413186200073602

[lofty depot]

Crazy comms

[exotic perch]

whens the guide updated lets get everyone on the cooldownslop removal train

[lusty echo]

So here I shouldn't have been waiting my incarnations right ?

[lucid olive]

brewing

[dull dust]

did u see how foe is used now gamz

[exotic perch]

yeah ill add some to that when you post it for us

[dull dust]

with the new line in ec

[lucid olive]

just to check for atmos expo or

[dull dust]

yea

timings get weird

oh well

[lucid olive]

these are the topics i have so far

but i think these are wide enough that it can cover everything

[exotic perch]

did you post it in TC

[lucid olive]

not yet

[exotic perch]

ye i got time later i can write some comments

[lucid olive]

i've been meaning to sit down on voice with @cursive mirage and just slam it

since that worked well last time

if you have any ideas you can just DM me

[dull dust]

what are u slaming

[lusty echo]

I shouldn't have waited for incarnation to cast foe, but use an eclipse instead right ?

[lucid olive]

feedback posts

[dull dust]

oh hf

[lucid olive]

you didnt wait for incarnation either...

you had the charge all the way from pull still...

judging by the log you just held the cooldowns for 20+ seconds for no real reason

maybe to line up with an add spawn idk

[lusty echo]

Ok so the way to go is as long as I have foe : I use treants and eclipse ( preferably incarnation) right ? Never use treants outside of foe ?

[lofty depot]

People do that then can play it incorrectly then do no dam

Imagine if u had wild mushroom instead of sunseeker

And just didn't press it

[lucid olive]

idk man go look at where some other logs are pressing their CDs

and try to understand why

[lusty echo]

I check these kind of things before 😁

[lofty depot]

Checked that, but not when to cd

Mmhm mmhm

[lucid olive]

or as someone else said, just add sound alerts for when your spells are available

[lusty echo]

It was first attempts at the boss I suppose I was easily disrupted and forgot when to use CDs as it doesn't feel natural yet

[drifting nova]

can we just go back to having wa

[lusty echo]

Thank you for your insights anyway

[lofty depot]

My guild thinks I'm funny for taking my main to 3rd alt raid

Me thinks it helps reinforce muscle memory

[drifting nova]

too high, take it to 5th

[lofty depot]

Should practice before prog

[lusty echo]

I have this but still sometimes confused on when I have to hold, and for what etc . I thought I should align everything to foe

[lofty depot]

U align things to trees not foe

Foe does nothing but give u some asp and tickles the boss

[lusty echo]

Does it mean that I send all my CDs when I have trees ? Like, if I have trees but no foe, should I cast it ?

Or if I have trees and no incarn, I go for eclipse ?

[lofty depot]

There are times u do that yes

[lofty depot]

That depends if yull lose a trees press

[lusty echo]

If my trees are ready, and my foes comes in few 15 secs shouldn't I wait?

[lofty depot]

That depends on more than just foe as stated

Add spawns, incarn/eclipse alignment

[lusty echo]

Alright... I'll try to study more but it feels like messing a cd is way more punishing than some other specs... I shouldn't have mained balance, I'm in pain 😔

[lofty depot]

Not using CDs is relevant to every class

Aligning CDs is part of a lot of classes

[lusty echo]

You're right but most of the classes I played didn't have 5 CDs

[lofty depot]

U just misunderstand where ur damage comes from

[lusty echo]

Eclipses, incarnation, convoke, foe, trees

[sleek dirge]

• your two dots (big dmg)

[lusty echo]

Yeah

[lofty depot]

There's plenty that have 4-5

[lusty echo]

I'm used to hunter mm, the gap is massive...

[lofty depot]

I mean, that's a hunter thing

Welcome to actually playing the game

[lusty echo]

Alright thanks for your insights anyway I'm gonna sleep. See you ! 😊

[orchid zephyr]

are we still running Elune's for M+ ? when we have 4 piece ?

[lofty depot]

U can play whatever u want

Both play fine

[orchid zephyr]

neither spec really feels good and output seems off. I think I have the rotation down maybe it's a gear thing

[lofty depot]

It's usually rotational

[rough flax]

Also how ur tank pulls

[drifting nova]

is aoe dog or

but st not

[lofty depot]

So real

If the tank pulls 2 packs that do nothing

I swear

[orchid zephyr]

yeah 2 pack pulls, and slow usually

[rough flax]

And then you still proc coolies , and then they decide to pull half the dungeon for w/e reason

[delicate perch]

have you considered speaking to the tank to let them know

or just have friends?

[drifting nova]

imagine having friends that tank

[orchid zephyr]

it's the pug life criticism isn't taken well even if served with a pizza

[rough flax]

I consider going bear and do it better myself at that point

[lofty depot]

Nah it's weekend they should know how to pull after 5 days

Go get a route

I've tanked every key and all I did was pull up a route then /mdt after a pull if I didn't know what was getting pulled

Use brain

[rough flax]

Yh, but that the funny part. They post some route and then they pull like w/e

I get better the higher you go tho

[lofty depot]

Ye

[rough flax]

Like +12 gear farm is 100x smoother

Then when i do 10s

[dull dust]

arctic what was ur favorite childhood TV show

[rough flax]

Btw is it purposely that the kotg opener doesn't have the moonfire icon cuz the tree cast it ?

[lucid olive]

yeah

you can skip the moonfire now if you treants at the start

want to moonfire if you eclipse at the start

and which opener kinda depends on the fight

[digital berry]

Did they change trees to be more responsive with the moonfires?

i know last season if you dont cast it and go incarn you definitely casted a couple of surges sometims without moonfire

But i guess the mastery change makes it not a big deal

[lucid olive]

yeah its mostly mastery change

idk i still rip the moonfire out of habit its not that big of a deal

i also like to enter eclipse first, at least with incarn

and especially if i proc a cosmos in my 3 wraths

[lofty depot]

SpongeBob

[dull dust]

lame

[normal pilot]

what were you expecting

[dull dust]

magic school bus

bis

[lucid olive]

thats real actually

magic school bus was cool

but my favorite was the animated spider-man show

[dull dust]

never saw that

or mabey i dont remember

[drifting nova]

keep missing typhoon

can we have addons back

[lucid olive]

how did addons help you typhoon better

[drifting nova]

had a player fixated circle

duh

target in circle = hit

[dull dust]

isn't typhoon like

wide as heck

[drifting nova]

still hate new typhoon animation

no longer a wave

just some piss wind

[fair mist]

If you only haw access to mythic+ trinkets what combo should I be shooting for

[lucid olive]

soulcatchers and emberwing maybe if you're playing EC

[drifting nova]

7 dungs no loot, reee

[obsidian fjord]

that probably still works

just vibe code it fam

[thick dagger]

Is it possible to get an addon or smth to track my eclipses?

When it runs out

[lucid olive]

yes the default cooldown manager in the game

[thick dagger]

Mhm it only shows the cooldowns

[delicate perch]

does it though

[thick dagger]

Not when my eclipse is running out

[lucid olive]

false

[drifting nova]

it shows the charges

[thick dagger]

oh ye i found it

[drifting nova]

not the timer

[lucid olive]

the duration is the buff icon

[dull dust]

bro why u got 2 barkskins

[lucid olive]

brits man..

[lucid olive]

top row are buffs

they just auto show since i have the buff window up

[dull dust]

why u need show buff

oh bottoms a bar huh

[drifting nova]

its not tho its the recharge rate of the cd

[lucid olive]

wanna know when it runs out

ye

[drifting nova]

those 2 things are not the same

[dull dust]

u fina link me the importa

[lucid olive]

i could do aura overlay on it but thats cringe

[white crag]

i have said nothing bad...

[dull dust]

bro was gaslighting me

ik ur great king

[drifting nova]

is blizz stupid where these dummie at

[white crag]

u2 buddy

[drifting nova]

fight me

[dull dust]

[drifting nova]

[dull dust]

can u make a icon in the middle

so it looks like a face

[lucid olive]

hahahaha

[drifting nova]

wait ayo I dont have it tracked

just bring back was

ty

me when I'm lazy

[lofty depot]

Solstice goes in the middle

[drifting nova]

turn cdm on and leave it

[dull dust]

tracking solstice

[drifting nova]

is there a orbit tracker

[dull dust]

perfect

swirly nose

[lucid olive]

better with colors

xdd

[drifting nova]

so what do you put the clipse in

to see buff duration

[lucid olive]

you just add it in the advanced cooldown settings?

on default ui its edit mode -> essential bar -> advanced cooldown settings

[drifting nova]

so I dont need this shit?

[lucid olive]

you can move them away from tracked bars yes

move them up into "tracked buffs"

i have the tracked bars empty cause that shit cringe

[drifting nova]

idk what half these icons are

like the purple moonkin

[lucid olive]

theres a bunch of dogshit you can track

like this

[glossy jungle]

I setup arcui to look similar

spent so much time on my druids UI and not even playing it this tier xd

[drifting nova]

so the entire essential cds row is useless

[obsidian fjord]

i feel like the ui changes were made for this chinese diplomat guy in mind

and they are not working even for him

[drifting nova]

ui changes were made by a robot

[dull dust]

gas how tf my heartbeat triggering stuff

[obsidian fjord]

can you put that in english

[dull dust]

takakurakendesu

[obsidian fjord]

exiled_hokage

[dull dust]

got me there

[dawn surge]

is there a script to check what your current spell q window is?

[dull dust]

/dump GetCVar("SpellQueueWindow")

[dawn surge]

ty appreciate it, do you by chance have the script to change it on hand?

[dull dust]

/console SpellQueueWindow 400

if u put it lower then 400 I'll be disappointed

[lofty depot]

Skill issue

[dull dust]

[lofty depot]

Smash ur buttons better

Slow ass masher

[dull dust]

arctic has gaps in his casts surely

[lofty depot]

I'd see it in a log so no

[dull dust]

whats ur sqw

this will effect my respect for u

marginally

[obsidian fjord]

affect*

[dull dust]

affect desu

[lofty depot]

Idk actually at one point I think it was at 300

[obsidian fjord]

i already clock u as a massive weeb, this wont work

[dull dust]

uwu

[obsidian fjord]

if you need 400 to not have gaps you are a boomer

[lofty depot]

If u think about it

[dull dust]

daisuke ochinchin

[lofty depot]

I need to be able to fix a spell queue cuz we have procs

[merry ibex]

raiding just feels so....incoherent

[lofty depot]

Robot has low spq

[merry ibex]

This version of boomkin is not my favorite in raid

[obsidian fjord]

robot also has 0ms reaction time and 0ms latency

[obsidian fjord]

why

[lofty depot]

What's the problem

[dull dust]

I think u dont know what sqw is if u think that robot has it

[delicate perch]

I'm almost a robot

[dull dust]

[obsidian fjord]

as expected

[lofty depot]

Ok so get better reactions

[obsidian fjord]

even wrote it wrong

[obsidian fjord]

i have a strong suspicion you are old

[dull dust]

im not japanese

I wrote how it sounds

[obsidian fjord]

damn

[delicate perch]

he's bald too

[obsidian fjord]

thats nice

[lofty depot]

If I have low spq and old and get rank 1s are u shit or am I good

[vital hound]

neither

[lofty depot]

Smh

[vital hound]

owned

[dull dust]

arctic is him

[lofty depot]

Sheep dm'd me for help this morning so opinion invalid unless supporting me

[dull dust]

real

[lofty depot]

[delicate perch]

coach =/= player

[vital hound]

gottem

oce united

[lofty depot]

So u know the phrase, if u can't do, u coach

[delicate perch]

🤝

[lofty depot]

What if I do both?

[obsidian fjord]

oh

can u link

took a while to understand that sentence

to be honest

[lofty depot]

Mmhm mmhm

[delicate perch]

just NA things really

[dull dust]

am I a coach's coach

[delicate perch]

they try their best

[obsidian fjord]

oh he edited it

[dull dust]

how does that work

[lofty depot]

At bar

[normal pilot]

do you have a whistle

[silk zealot]

Quick question regarding catalysts, does the achievement beeing warbound mean that I can use it on alts?

[lofty depot]

No

[lofty depot]

No

[silk zealot]

Or rather that the catalyst will drop from content on alts

[lofty depot]

Re read the answer

[dull dust]

bucket

[silk zealot]

Okay okay I was just making sure I asked the correct way

[lofty depot]

They blue posted it working on alts

So it just doesnt

[obsidian fjord]

i think they removed the alt thing ages ago

[silk zealot]

Ohhhh Well

[lofty depot]

They hate fun

[silk zealot]

Indeed

[lofty depot]

"ages"

Ok old fuck

[obsidian fjord]

wasnt it like

day 3 of heroic week

?

[lofty depot]

So last week

Ages

[delicate perch]

lmfao

[obsidian fjord]

ok

you want to throw down orange guy

[vital hound]

eons ago

[obsidian fjord]

sure

[lofty depot]

Blud on his death bed counting his weeks

[obsidian fjord]

in this context

[dull dust]

thats basically when u were born arctic

[obsidian fjord]

the first day u can get tier

[delicate perch]

maybe he's like 90 and one week is like 80% of the rest of his life?

[obsidian fjord]

is the first day of the season

and this season has been out for how long?

[lofty depot]

chanceL

[obsidian fjord]

please remind me

[dull dust]

[silk zealot]

I've planted the seeds of chaos, I will now take my leave

[obsidian fjord]

are u called arctic because ur single braincell is frozen

[vital hound]

oh fuck yea

white name argument

[dull dust]

hahahaha

that was a good one

[obsidian fjord]

the change was made 2 days into the season launch (the first time u can even get tier)

[lofty depot]

Bud did u come up with ur name or is that the sound ur mom makes when gargling

[obsidian fjord]

ah

he is american

[dull dust]

aye yo

[obsidian fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/tish-bri-gif-8989407742432775903

[dull dust]

dont make this about country

[delicate perch]

sadly

[delicate perch]

[silk zealot]

Damn not his momma

[obsidian fjord]

its ok i apologise cold orange person. you have the entire demise of your country stressing you out

[lofty depot]

Yea totally

[vital hound]

is he implying

[lofty depot]

Love politics in my boomkin discord

[vital hound]

he's the other guy

in that gif

[obsidian fjord]

have you not seen the movie

do people not know that reference

[delicate perch]

sheep watches lots of racist movies so I assume that's what it is

[vital hound]

[lusty drift]

Hey guys is there any way to sim for M+ on raidbots atm? hectic addcleave seems to be broken

[lofty depot]

The assumption being ur German and u lost the last 2

[vital hound]

they're called american movies

[delicate perch]

[lofty depot]

Sure he knows

[delicate perch]

autocorrect sorry

[vital hound]

well also the

less funny word for germans

[dull dust]

why add cleave broken

wtf

[delicate perch]

[vital hound]

cant wait for us all to get thymed out for the politics rule that doesn't exist

[lofty depot]

Well I'm being nice to the random white name with a default discord icon

[vital hound]

[dull dust]

how does dungeon slice work but not add cleave

[vital hound]

https://tenor.com/3xVE.gif

[obsidian fjord]

why would you use either of those settings

ever

[delicate perch]

for fun!

[dull dust]

reeal

[obsidian fjord]

you were being quite aggressive actually

but i understand your stress points now

[lofty depot]

If u took what I said as aggressive u should go look at ur history

Grow up

I have no stress points

[obsidian fjord]

I am a very mild mannered person

[vital hound]

well

thats a lie

[lofty depot]

Ur a random frog first week wcyd

[obsidian fjord]

I would go as far to call myself chill but the cold orange man is not so chill

[vital hound]

tbf that was fkn ages ago

[lofty depot]

Shit true

[vital hound]

i found the bluepost about the catalyst change

[lofty depot]

"I have an icebox where my heart used to be"

[delicate perch]

ai

[obsidian fjord]

i googled this because you put quotes on it

it looks like you quoted it wrong but

that song is from 2006 at least according to youtube

so you are definitely old

very cool and chill song though

[dull dust]

I prefer Avril lavene

[lofty depot]

Wrong song

[dull dust]

hmm

[lofty depot]

Omarion ain't him

[obsidian fjord]

he looks like that other guy ludacris

[lofty depot]

chancel do u know the movie.. You got served

[lofty depot]

https://youtu.be/_vYeR_paTCs?t=52

here u go

he says "i got" sorry

[lofty depot]

if u dont know lil wayne songs

ur 12 on jah

[dawn surge]

im putting it 150

[obsidian fjord]

maybe i heard him when i was 5 i guess

[dawn surge]

lmao

[dull dust]

I hope tree fall

scare u

[obsidian fjord]

150 is not a good idea

[lofty depot]

blud is 20

how does he know inglorious bastards

but not lil wayne

[vital hound]

cause he was told by a kick streamer to watch it

because its about alpha men

[lofty depot]

oh sheeeesh

[obsidian fjord]

inglorious basterds came out way later than that surely

it was 2010s at least

[obsidian fjord]

i see you are called sheep because all your jokes are recycled from other people

[glacial steeple]

Can a lone wolf be an alpha male since they don't have a pack?

[obsidian fjord]

maybe you can upgrade to lemming next time

[lofty depot]

2009

but sure

[obsidian fjord]

wow

maybe i am also old

[vital hound]

struck a nerve hell yea

[lucid olive]

Read FAQ in #1473018731687841853

[lucid olive]

I think dslice doesnt let you run it

Unless gas enabled it again

[dull dust]

I ran it the other day

[lucid olive]

It's never really been supported

We used to do dungeonroute sims with MDT sim weakaura or Keystone.guru that just went off the AOE and ST APL but that's not really accurate now

Should make a dungeonroute list tho tbh

[dull dust]

can u link me a mdt Sim route

or it in a sim

ill do some stuff with it tonight

[delicate perch]

step 1: log off minigame

[dull dust]

Just want a old example

ill figure out the rest

[obsidian fjord]

what are you going to do hokage man

[dull dust]

write the apl for dungeon route

[obsidian fjord]

philosophically i did not believe in free will but you are testing that boundary for me

[obsidian inlet]

are people actually using convoke in m+?

[dull dust]

Hopefully not

[delicate perch]

sure

[lucid olive]

Uuuh I'm in bed but go to keystone.guru and just make a basic route for a key and copy the code on the "simulate" option

[normal pilot]

yeah just pick the most popular route or something

[obsidian inlet]

the ability is very fun but most stuff I see uses incarn

[dull dust]

I guess i can decipher the old apl logic

for it

[delicate perch]

I would personally not use convoke but people do wild stuff every day

[dull dust]

lowkey convoke not bad with how some these tanks be pullin

[delicate perch]

ya it probs has it uses

[obsidian inlet]

i wish incarn did something cooooool.... like, i like the talent that makes a big freakin lazer just cut stuff down

[delicate perch]

but I'm not mentally ill enough to pug keystones

[lucid olive]

Gas said yesterday to have a dungeonroute list that just calls when you're not fighting a boss, I think that's probably easiest? Don't have to mess too much with clunky CD logic

[dull dust]

yeah

surely i just add time to die to a few lines and it works

[lucid olive]

But then maybe also add !fight_style=dungeonroute to fight_remains lines or it would send shit at end of bosses when it can hold? Idk

[dull dust]

true

[obsidian inlet]

does anyone know if the murloc toy persists through moonkin form?

[viral cliff]

why yes I would LOVE A WARBOUND TRINKET ON A +10

[glacial steeple]

Fire

[viral cliff]

its even worse because it dropped as item upgraded

and was warbound

[craggy sonnet]

dont you automatically just enter the st list on the boss? unless the pull has adds on top

[lofty depot]

u dont want that trinket anyway

[glacial steeple]

I still can't see the things on the ground

[sage axle]

whats the best talent tree for heroic crown

im using my ST raid build

it starts good but dont end good

[lofty depot]

well that boss isnt exactly ST

[glacial steeple]

I liked convoke a lot on Crown

[sage axle]

yah thats why im wondering what to use. i dont think my m+ build is good

[lofty depot]

go look at warcraft logs

[sage axle]

any suggestions to change

im in middle of pulls rn lol i would if i had time, sorry

just asking if anything big i should change

[lofty depot]

so u had time to come to discord but not time to look at warcraft logs

feels like the same thing

u should run the m+ guild silly

[obsidian inlet]

is orbital strike a viable talent for M+?

[lofty depot]

no

[obsidian inlet]

oh ok :(

[viral cliff]

its just funny to run a 10
and see item upgraded and get trolled with warbound lol

[delicate perch]

Ur fault for having beans ilvl trinkets

[sage axle]

yah i dont wanna change an entire build without knowing what im picking

if any 1 talent i can change would help

[glacial steeple]

I prefer 1 min convoke to Nature's Balance

[viral cliff]

[lofty depot]

well theres an incarn build that u can play

theres a convoke build u can play

pick one

u should be able to look at a fight and determine like hmm incarn seems good

maybe play

oh i can ignore the adds, maybe just slam convoke

(theres kills with all of them btw)

[sage axle]

copied wowhead stuff

i mean warcraft logs

[delicate perch]

[warm briar]

Can go to lorrgs or WCL to see what the top boomkin are running every fight but of course ymmv because a lot of the top parses are being fed PI/cheesing disclaimers

[drifting nova]

getting a catalyst from 2k does nothing

if I aint getting drops to start with

[dawn surge]

drop passive mushroom grab active mushroom

istg its better

[drifting nova]

do you just magically have more gcds or

[dawn surge]

most logs passive shroom is doing sub 1% dmg, i can get active up to 5% sometimes

way more worth than an extra gcd here and there

already had this convo few days ago but active shroom just does way more if you use it at the right times and you dont really lose that many gcds, u dont use it on st almost at all, its the same gen as a wrath in st basically

just pop it 1 time instead of a wrath before your cds

in aoe its the same

[drifting nova]

I dont even have wrath on my bars

[dawn surge]

i mean u should be using wrath in st outside eclipse

to gen

even as EC

[drifting nova]

no I dont think I will

[dawn surge]

https://tenor.com/view/benjammins-have-a-great-day-meme-peaceout-dip-out-dippin-gif-5486146664307624051

[drifting nova]

it is sacrilege to use the wrong spell in eclipse

(it'l be fixed soon surely blizz wont it)

[wild dune]

ofc lunar calling buff inc

[brave gulch]

I want chat to know tettles got feared for 10 seconds on dragons, ran back and instantly got tail swiped all the way back to the edge

[lofty depot]

is this why he doesnt stream prog?

[brave gulch]

[regal pelican]

I ripped 2 pieces on champ gear

[drifting nova]

I refuse to I wont

I will get a hero piece

8 down..surely by 10

[regal pelican]

Once u get 4 set. U get cata charges as drops from stuff

Like i got 2 more charges from raid bosses then another from a dungeon.

[drifting nova]

cant get 4p anyway

unless I get tier from hc rift or lfr

[regal pelican]

F

[delicate perch]

is the surprising part he lived long enough to see the breath?

[brave gulch]

tettles is a live lord

[drifting nova]

thats my "I cant find pit of saron" balance gamer

[obsidian fjord]

ur not him

[dawn surge]

dont need to be him to read the data

good players arent always the ones experimenting

[obsidian fjord]

if u are playing bad then the data is not worth reading

[delicate perch]

what data are you reading bud

[dawn surge]

wym just read logs LMAO you can see the differences

[obsidian fjord]

go do rank 1 dam in algethar with it or smth and then ill look

[dawn surge]

fact is you guys are just followers and do whatever "good" players do without knowing why

and youre hostile to anyone saying different for no reason

without giving it a fair look

[delicate perch]

if that's true woudn't the top players be using it and "we'd be copying them"?

[obsidian fjord]

i am that guy little gup

[drifting nova]

leaf san has evolved

holy

[dawn surge]

no, top players are actually famous for refusing to adapt to whats new due to either comfort or ingrained bias thinking theyre correct because theyre good at pressing buttons in the right order

across many different games too

[obsidian fjord]

maybe the solution is they become bad like you for a little bit like a tolerance break to get rid of that bias

[dawn surge]

might do them some good

[obsidian fjord]

thats true

[dawn surge]

bit weird to do personal insults just bc ur mad someone said something about a talent tho

[obsidian fjord]

its just a bit funny that its lost on you that bad players might have bias too

[dawn surge]

? putting words in my mouth, i said literally nothing about bad players and their biases

i said good players are famous for theirs, implying its way more prevalent than other skill groups

which i think most would agree is pretty true

ive also been one of those good players back in shadowlands and somewhat TWW, back in SL i was playing windwalker and tons of people just had the wrong talents that were high io m+ alongside me

s1 i was rank 23 in the world for ww in my first season playing it on alliance and argued constantly with people in the discord about their talents being wrong. instead of listening and seeing the breakdowns they just ignored it and said theyd do what they wanted

which is fair, obv theyre allowed to

but its a copout

[regal pelican]

What scenario would u guys run grove in keys? If there's prio mobs or somrthjng?

[obsidian fjord]

ah so ur not a first time offender

[dawn surge]

nope i definitely am not

[lofty depot]

no, keeper has higher burst

should be better in lower keys but does fine going up

higher u go, ec pulls away

[delicate perch]

I'm not reading all that sorry

[regal pelican]

Im doing around 10s. Ill try out Grove in some keys.

[drifting nova]

jokes on you my st is better than aoe for ec

[lofty depot]

doubt

[stiff patrol]

on the compendium, in the race sim section, the racesimcode.txt doesnt have Night Elf it seems

[lofty depot]

copy="Night Elf (Night)"
race="night_elf"
timeofday="night"

copy="Night Elf (Day)"
race="night_elf"
timeofday="day"

the sim itself has the race

granted that sim is old

[digital berry]

race simming

[stone ledge]

honestly night elf > this season cause you can free pad and drop agro (until they add shadowmeld potion)

[drifting nova]

this season? every season

repairs aint gonna cost themself

[half summit]

Do we cast wrath at all on Elune m+ ?

[slender island]

i do in st and outside of eclipse

[drifting nova]

no

[lusty echo]

Hey there. I'm studying again the priority list of Kotg ST, and I'm still a bit confused.

It says

But it also says

So Do I use eclipse after trees or when trees aren't avalaible ?

[pallid bay]

the logic is

use trees + CA

use trees + eclipse

use eclipse

[lusty echo]

Ok. Love this, quite clear. What about FOE ? According to the compendium I use it ONLY before trees, right ?

If it is avalaible, and I'm about to trees : i press foe ?

[inland sleet]

Many logs I'm looking at just use Fury of Elune on cd, and the question above this message is exactly what I wanted to ask

[pallid bay]

with FoE you basically play a 1 minute build
FoE -> FoN -> CA 0:00
FoE -> FoN -> Eclipse 1:00
FoE -> FoN -> CA 2:00

ofc everything becomes more complicated when you try to apply it to a specific fight

[warm briar]

Looks like most of the top builds are doing that

Parses*

[inland sleet]

SO we sit on the 15sec on every FOE ?

[jade flume]

And then u send natty tree+foe because boss will die before next ca

But it doesnt die so you gotta send a natty ca after...

[pallid bay]

in general as KotG you play 60s FoE

here an example

[atomic jackal]

iS CoEE just a sim trap?

[inland sleet]

So we don't care about wowanalyzer telling us FOE has a low uptime ?

[lusty echo]

It's shocking for me. He uses trees without using FoE

At 3:10

[pallid bay]

yeah he was thinking he wouldnt get FoE back - he had Control so FoN was 45s cd there

thats intermission, he wanted it for the add spawn i guess

its a bit tricky tbh

i would generally opt out of FoE i think

just to make the playstyle simpler

pick up AC instead and pool properly for add spawns

play manual mushrooms on some of the add fights

[lusty echo]

Is this a correct openner ? I would have used starsurges before the wrath because I thought that the early spells you cast after eclipsing have more chance of critting, and it's better to crit on starsurge, right ?

[pallid bay]

it's all relative to the fight

sims are just 1T 5m, whats best in those aren't necessarily best in a fight with adds

[pallid bay]

this looks terrible indeed

should have pooled up AP for at least 3 surges

unless you have very strict CD timings preventing you

[lusty echo]

It's a top parser on warcraft logs i'm trying to analyse

[dull dust]

[slender island]

this has been a game changer for me, just couldn't stand the passive shrooms proc'ing at the worst possible times, i'm a big wild shroom fan now

[pallid bay]

yeah they all make mistakes, usually its not deeper than that

they got a nice little buff

[pallid bay]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/vX6HjmKkZxRyLFnY?fight=5&type=casts&source=45&view=timeline

[lusty echo]

I would go mad if I had another CD to press

[pallid bay]

this guy generally uses his brain

parses on a lot of these fights is just who gets to pad

[lusty echo]

I do too 😄 But it's not wired correctly for now, for this complicated spec

[pallid bay]

take some small dps loss talents for easier gameplay

if you find it overwhelming

[lusty echo]

I'm confused... It's not the opener I learnt. I thought you had to press eclipse and use starsurges before going foe+tree+incarnation ?

And where is his foe ?

[pallid bay]

he didnt talent FoE

he got r3 without it

[lusty echo]

I keep changing my talent builds every single boss it's so confusing

If I don't have foe anymore i'll be lost again and again

So many possibilities isn't helping actually 😄

[pallid bay]

[lusty echo]

Please let me play again with Hekili 😢

[pallid bay]

i think that opener in general is a bit bait

the reason for using eclipse before is to get it on CA

especially when playing incarn cause its 20s duration so you almost have the charge back

but if you dont have nature's balance you're starting the fight with 0 AP and have to spend so much time before you can press CA

[dull dust]

[pallid bay]

i think if you play incarn in general you press
prepull wrath wrath wrath
sunfire eclipse wrath wrath wrath
maybe a spender
FoN CA

[dull dust]

bro sunfired before moonfire -200dps

unlucky

[pallid bay]

well he pressed moonfire

-1 gcd

@obsidian jetty noob?

[dull dust]

true

[pallid bay]

idk opener is like

pure vibes

[dull dust]

yea

fight timers matter more then anything

[lusty echo]

Again a top parse I don't understand this opener. What's the point of this eclispe early ?

[dull dust]

incarn is 20seconds

u can eclispe before for free

incarn into your other eclipse charge and its back

[pallid bay]

eclipse has 32s CD, incarn lasts for 20s - you almost get the charge back for free

on dragon i did wrath wrath wrath sunfire sunfire eclipse wrath starfall FoN CA

[lusty echo]

But you get the benefice of this eclispe for only 1 cast of wrath no ?

[inland sleet]

And the apex talent

[pallid bay]

yeah but the wrath is instant and you get the apex talent

its not a whole lot of damage but its almost free

[dull dust]

idk why it hurts me to see that like that

trinket ca then trees then pot

scitzo