balance

[lucid olive]

just link a picture from someones cast timeline where they cancel like 5 casts in a row

and ask why they are afk

[jolly delta]

tbf I think that

what would really work is

linking a sim that has a 0.2 wait after every cast

[lucid olive]

one of my guild tanks was playing some Moonkin in Season 2 and he sent me a log hitting a training dummy

and he was cancelling casts

😭

[livid jay]

holy

[jolly delta]

because I'm sure that people absolutely do not realise how much dps they're losing by canceling casts

so they kinda go ehhh whatever

[normal pilot]

when streamers actually played moonkin once upon a time you could link them clips of good players dealing with mechanics, and how they position themselves ahead of time and such

you could clearly see a diff on how precisely good players position themselves to minimize disruptions for mechanics

[lucid olive]

yeah

like someone asked for help on their vorasius log and I went wowanalyzer and saw they were moving like 800 yards throughout the fight

[normal pilot]

like you compare some rando vod to one of goop's rwf kills and the difference isn't hte rotation, that doesn't matter, it's the positioning & preparation

[tiny nimbus]

and I never cast wrath like in KOTG for example depends on amount of targets r? On boss just surge and starfire?

[jolly delta]

vorasius unironically one of the best fights to understand how good of a player someone is

[lucid olive]

wrath outside of eclipse on single target

other than that perma starfire

if its elunes chosen youre talking about

[livid jay]

yea i calculated it for them, 70% uptime with 30% canceled casts is effectively 50% of the damage of a perfect player IF all your casts are completely perfect

[tiny nimbus]

yes

[normal pilot]

too many ppl get bogged down on rotation & waste time on training dummy when that's worth maybe 10% of your dps vs palying to the encounter

[lucid olive]

idk just outrange the circles..

payphone fight

plant on pull timer

stand there till adds spawn

move to a wall

[lucid olive]

guys running a marathon

[jolly delta]

had no clue you could outrange

nevermind then

[lucid olive]

fight is stupid

[jolly delta]

why would they make them outrangeable

wtf

[lucid olive]

moonkin probably the best to outrange it tho since 45 yards

probably also have to walk in closer for when you enter Eclipse

[jolly delta]

I never bothered to check because I just assumed the circles would go until the end

[lucid olive]

since the bolts aim for center of hitbox

[lucid olive]

have you seen the fight on LFR

we did an LFR split last week and i was laughing so hard

[jolly delta]

no I'm afk everytime

[lucid olive]

the walls don't go until the end 😭

you can just run behind it

[jolly delta]

🥀

they really are designing for the lowest common denominator are they

[old plaza]

on 3+ target fights is it better to just stack starfall or try to keep it stacked with starweaver procs?

[fiery kindle]

I don't really know how to sim properly, can anyone help me with it

[normal pilot]

get the addon, /simc copy + paste into raidbots, click the gear/talents you want to test then run the sim

if the sim results in some warnings, read that part and it'll explain to you what may be wrong

[fiery kindle]

I know how to sim, but I'm not sure how to get accurate data when simming for gems

[normal pilot]

wdym accurate data

[drifting nova]

when convoke

[fiery kindle]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/4P27EJwNYG7Lsvwtwtzjpg

[dense steeple]

You just afk in Africa?

[fiery kindle]

is it true sim

[lucid olive]

not on mythic

but yeah

[dense steeple]

Oh yeah i was talking mythic

[lucid olive]

then take a few steps forward so the solar bolt hits

[normal pilot]

i have no idea what you mean by true sim

[lucid olive]

on mythic id stack with group cause theres some ticking dam there

[normal pilot]

that's the result of using those gems

[dense steeple]

Yeah I was about to ask my rl to afk in Africa

Xd

[lucid olive]

you do send your entire group to africa when the first adds spawn tho

since you can cleave them down there without worrying about circles

but the adds drop shit on mythic when they die so you have to limit space denial

so first set all the way back, then 2nd and 3rd set gradually forwards

3rd set can just be in melee i guess

[dense steeple]

Yeah we pulled it a few times

The dps check is insane

[lucid olive]

we killed in 3 pulls i think

[urban cradle]

which BIS list are yall using? Icy veins or wowhead?

Trying to decide which crafts but theyre both different

[lucid olive]

bis lists are fake

[normal pilot]

you don't use 'bis' lists since theyr'e not meant to be accurate

[urban cradle]

Well i just want to know which gear slots to craft

[lucid olive]

staff

[urban cradle]

other than that ill use raidbots

[sly wadi]

you can sim crafts in raidbots

[normal pilot]

those guides usually have a crafting section

[lucid olive]

yeah

the only difference there is the 2nd craft

[urban cradle]

theyre both different

[lucid olive]

use wowhead

(biased)

@ancient adder now is when you tell this guy to use icyveins

then he never knows who to believe

[urban cradle]

one says boots and gloves, one says wrists and offhand

[lucid olive]

thats not the crafting section

they both say staff

[urban cradle]

idc about early crafts its an alt

[normal pilot]

then you're into realm of fake 'bis' lists

and you pick which author's name sounds cooler

[lucid olive]

how are you gonna get a myth track weapon on your alt

are you just gambling vault RNG for the rest of the season or

[dense steeple]

Yeah the wowhead bislist tells me to get crit and thats so false

[ripe slate]

this is optimal you cant change my mind

[urban cradle]

Ill end up doing M+ for crests

[lucid olive]

crafting a staff is the biggest increase you can get, and by the time your other gear pieces are caught up you will have earned enough sparks to craft the other stuff

what items are you spending those crests on

[urban cradle]

Nothing as of rn

but i have hero crests for 2 crafts

[lucid olive]

using hero crests for crafting is a waste

arguably the most valuable crest tier

[ripe slate]

i wish i had less myth and more hero LMAO

[lucid olive]

you can trade down

[ripe slate]

do not sugg--

[lucid olive]

trading down ignores cap

[ripe slate]

cease

i aint griefing my myth like that ill hate myself in 1-2 weeks min

[lucid olive]

real

[urban cradle]

Again tho its an alt, kinda like a just in case we need a druid for vers buff lol

[lucid olive]

if i brought a just in case character with hero crafted items i would get shunned

[urban cradle]

So really just save em for hero tier slots

[lucid olive]

just slam hero crests on high stat budget slots first yeah

• trinkets

then other stuff after

but craft staff with myth

otherwise you might as well just not craft

[urban cradle]

whats your prog its still early and you cant have hero crafted xD

embelishments are good to have

[lucid olive]

killed 2 voidspire bosses and had 2% wipes on chimaerus

[urban cradle]

M i assume

[lucid olive]

yeah but its double the crests of upgrading a hero item from a +10

hero crafted items are 80crests for 272 ilvl

+10s drop 266

you dont even have to do m+ to get the crests for it either

[urban cradle]

fair enough, better to spam keys for hero items and use crests upgrading

[lucid olive]

can just slam t11 shadowpoint guard with barely entering combat

[lucid olive]

yeah

abuse that m+ items drop at 3/6 hero

so you only need 20 x3 to fully upgrade an item

[ancient adder]

Is it an agi staff

[lucid olive]

we do have different 2nd craft recommendations tho

i basically yoinked wordup's recommendation

[manic plume]

wait real?

[ancient adder]

I was just trying to find what had bad secondaries

[dense steeple]

half the wowhead bis list

"please put on this crit mastery gear"

[lucid olive]

yeah crit mast good

[ancient adder]

Bis lists are turbo fake due to vault

Unforch

[lucid olive]

yeah theres like 10 different combinations of gear that all give the same number

only thing that matters is trinkets

[ancient adder]

You just slap on raid gear and see if there are any broken sets or effects or jewelry from m+

[lucid olive]

I think crafting off-piece tier slot as your 2nd craft is the way to go though

or else you're just gambling on myth track gloves from vault

[dense steeple]

like why is this bis over the mastery haste one

it makes me madge

[lucid olive]

because crit is good

[normal pilot]

just reforge it

[lucid olive]

welcome to Midnight Soma

glad to have you

[dense steeple]

also ive ran like 17 windrunner spire 10s and i cant loot a fucking shoulder piece to save my life

[lucid olive]

Also the profile on the bis list uses the L'ura neck

[lucid olive]

and that has a ton of mast

[dense steeple]

tru

[lucid olive]

but that neck is also the only one that isnt dogshit

[ancient adder]

Astral smolder works on all damage

[dense steeple]

is the neighborhood crest reward uncapped or a waste of time

[ancient adder]

It's war bound so I imagine capped

[minor umbra]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-yes-sir-yayy-kataman-gif-12260883688244422951

I love tic tac toe

[dense steeple]

tough guy with bis trinkets

[dense steeple]

wait so should i do it on an alt or?

[jade flume]

Big

[ancient adder]

Idk I have done it

Capped all my crests

Think it's once per acc

Give crests to whoever you want

[dense steeple]

yeah i just dont understand exactly how this shit works still

[lucid olive]

ye

[granite moat]

hey do we get a catalyst next week?

[jaunty blaze]

yes

[slender island]

anyone knows if the avoidance from the triumvirate ring set is worth anything at all? the tooltip is a pathetic "increases avoidance", but by how much? +1?

[lofty depot]

well using vers is shit so

[slender island]

yehhh but farming those xenas rings is driving me nuts

[lofty depot]

well using that ring will drive ur dps down

[slender island]

you're probably right... back to nexus point it is

[rugged hill]

Hello, im playing with a friend and he is a bit demoralized because he is not dealing damage. Can you help me understand what he is doing wrong?
This are his logs: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/eu/nemesis/mignottàuren?difficulty=3
Also sorry if there is a channel for log review, ill move thsi message there

[ancient adder]

looks like he has pretty poor uptime on eclipse

also accidentally enters lunar eclipse

dot uptime is not great which affects shooting stars, dps, and astral production

should probably look to take convoke over incarn esp if you arent gonna run eg

[rugged hill]

thank you so much

[rugged hill]

what is eg?

[ancient adder]

if ur running incarnation

you want to run the talent i circled

otherwise you want to run convoke

without the talent i circled

[rugged hill]

oki

[drifting nova]

wait how many hc weeks have there been

two?

[ancient adder]

were on week 2

[drifting nova]

brother has 3 averzians

[ancient adder]

likes to practice

like you probably wont be able to match the sim uptime

[stoic fog]

When I'm in eclipse, single target i only cast starsurge 3x and then stop?

[ancient adder]

but hes about 10% behind on optimal eclipse uptime

i think thats changed

[drifting nova]

just dont log like me and be blissfully ignorant

[ancient adder]

i need to go back and see what all the people typed up

[stoic fog]

wouldn't I want to dump all my starsurges while i'm in eclipse?

[ancient adder]

i think its an insta send now

@lucid olive

insta send yea?

[drifting nova]

surely youd giga overcap

[ancient adder]

do you mean on opener

in general, you spend your astral power and never want to cap

if you are going into another eclipse you can pool for that eclipse because the start of an eclipse is more valuable than the end

[stoic fog]

right but i'm spending more time in eclipse building up than spending

[ancient adder]

if you are not chaining an eclipse

you should spend it all

and generate outside of eclipse

until eclipse is back up

[stoic fog]

but what if i have another eclipse

and i'm currently in one

i just use my 3 starsurges and cast wrath for most of the eclipse i'm currently in?

[ancient adder]

okay dont think about

flat numbers like that

instead think

how much AP do i want

if youare going into another eclipse

you want like 50-70 ap

[stoic fog]

yea

okay

[ancient adder]

so if you cast 3 surges

and can cast another

and still have some pooled

do it

you want to stack starlord insta

[stoic fog]

ah okay

[lucid olive]

sure

realistically depends on fight timer and add phases and stuff

[ancient adder]

100%

[stoic fog]

I just felt bad casting wrath in eclipse...than starsurgers

[ancient adder]

i just think my

dedicated solar eclipse triple surge

[lucid olive]

and entering eclipse first is better when you use incarn since its 5 seconds longer duration

[ancient adder]

is outdated

and gotta fix

[lucid olive]

yeah same

[stoic fog]

in the opener, it's the same rules?

since we have a ton of stacked eclipses ready to go

just cast as manage surges as you can get away with to pool enough AP for starlords during next eclipse

[ancient adder]

yea focus on overall eclipse uptime

and starlord uptime

[stoic fog]

kk

[ancient adder]

in like a 5 min fight

ur looking for 70-75%

[craggy sonnet]

btw, you have time to build some post eclipse as well

[ancient adder]

uptime

[stoic fog]

kk

[craggy sonnet]

also, i think its not worth pooling anything during incarn

for the upcoming ecl

[stoic fog]

Okay that's why I felt so bad

i felt i was "wasting incarn"

[craggy sonnet]

so you can spend aggressively there (aside from movement requirements)

[stoic fog]

And once you use finished your first incarn eclipse, you use your 2nd incarn eclipse right? (not regular eclipse)

[craggy sonnet]

you only ever incarn with trees

unless fight ends

[stoic fog]

ugh

okay

so don't use trees with regular eclipse generally

[craggy sonnet]

not what i said 🙂

you cant have incarn for every trees

maybe this helps

[stoic fog]

oh lordie i'm confused 🙁

[craggy sonnet]

maybe confuses you more

[lean sun]

There's no reason to send your second charge of incarn before trees comeback up unless there's a dmg amp

[craggy sonnet]

though this is very agnostic of any fight specific events

just to get a general idea of how to manage lineups

[stoic fog]

that chart made me more confused. Sorry can you break down the CD usage pairing again?

[royal zenith]

[rotund glacier]

Hey guys! Guardian druid here looking to learn the reworked balance. Does anyone have any kill videos with balance druid PoV that I could watch this season?,

[craggy sonnet]

maybe look at it longer than 10s first

then describe what confuses you

[livid jay]

Just check some streamers logs

Vods*

Recruitie, gamz

[rotund glacier]

Thank you!

[livid jay]

Krona I guess

[lofty depot]

gamz doesnt stream

[stoic fog]

i'll try to look at it more closely... i think that it's not exactly aligned makes it slightly confusing but ya

[lofty depot]

he rat

[livid jay]

Does he not

Sadge

[royal zenith]

correct

you basically just want to combine cooldowns at all times

a good start is combining CA/incarn's with trees

which is approx every minute

[livid jay]

Just never use ca/incarn without trees and you're good

[lucid olive]

I think the better way to look at it is to never use Force of Nature without either Eclipse or CA

[livid jay]

Use eclipse only with trees if you don't have incarn coming up

[lucid olive]

Whether you skip a use of CA or not doesn't matter as long as you're not holding it for obscene amount of time

[stoic fog]

Trees with Eclipse! got it.

[royal zenith]

I think it's time to start dividing shit into beginner moonkin and more advanced, unironically

[lucid olive]

yes

[royal zenith]

these type of charts are way too overwhelming

[lucid olive]

this is an issue in most class discords

I'm guilty of it as well

nobody who is learning the spec wants to hear about your dissertation level knowledge about esoteric mechanics

they just want some easy advice and then can go play the game

[stoic fog]

I have an IQ of like 10 so it just takes me forever to undestand concepts

[lucid olive]

and if they ask follow-up questions then you can start delving into more advanced topics

[royal zenith]

nah you just dont know what's what, that's why you're here

to learn

[lucid olive]

it's all good, i'm a complete moron when i go to warlock discord and ask them for help on warlock as well

[royal zenith]

it's up to us to make it more simple

[lucid olive]

+1

[stoic fog]

How come the chart shows Eclipse --> Trees + Incarn?

isn't that wasting eclipse?

[royal zenith]

it's the opposite

you don't want to waste it by being capped

[livid jay]

We need that video man... Title:
3 Levels of playing Boomkin
Level 1: learn to play caster
Level 2: cooldown syncing and AP management
Level 3: talent choices and parse whoring

[royal zenith]

there's so many content opportunities...

people be blind!!

[stoic fog]

Okay wtf is the difference betweeen Eclipse and CA? Why would one press one over the other or is it the same thing?

[drifting nova]

glyph of stars admitters are banned on sight

[craggy sonnet]

actually, i would say its more like
try not to overcap on eclipse past the opener,
if you play FoE, use that as your anchor for cd timings,
press eclipse in between these burst windows so long as that does not have you waste cooldown time of your burst (1min windows)
if you dont have an incarn charge, make sure to have 1 eclipse charge ready when your burst cooldowns come up

[royal zenith]

good question

[lucid olive]

yeah lets confuse him more clankz

good job

[drifting nova]

there kinda isnt, but ca is..stronger

[royal zenith]

well it's about what they buff and how

not just "stronger"

[livid jay]

Brother they don't know the difference between ca and eclipse and u come with foe anchors 😄

[drifting nova]

yeah idk what it does

I havent read an ability in years

[craggy sonnet]

i didnt type that for any specific person

[stoic fog]

My understanding is: Use incarn eclipse charges up first, once they've been excausted, then use regular eclipse charges

[royal zenith]

gamz is better at the actual mechanical shit, Im not informed enough

aka technical terms and shit

[livid jay]

Read what eclipse does. There solar and lunar eclipse. Incarn and Celestial alignment are both of those at the same time

[ruby badger]

Incarn is a bigger stronger CD than Eclipse

[lucid olive]

I can't upvote a message so I pinned it for 5 seconds

[craggy sonnet]

there is not just one person reading chat at any time

[drifting nova]

I'm here

[lucid olive]

wrong

[royal zenith]

it's about 0.1% of moonkins that are optimizing the perfect timer for foe

[lucid olive]

only person reading chat is Kekkers

[royal zenith]

the rest are vibing

[lucid olive]

the rest gets generated gradually by big robot

[livid jay]

Yea im a clanker

[stoic fog]

okay i'll just memorize opener but for priority rotation:
like- is this generally correct?

[lucid olive]

I think giving advice on Moonkin CDs currently is weird cause even people who know the spec have no clue how to explain it to others

[ruby badger]

The trees and eclipse line up rarely happens

[lucid olive]

like I bet this guy is gonna get 3 different answers to that picture

[ruby badger]

Most trees should be cast with CA

[royal zenith]

It's super convoluted compared to anything else in this game rn

[lucid olive]

but the answers all say the same thing in different words

[craggy sonnet]

you only ever use incarn with trees

[drifting nova]

and eclipse

[ruby badger]

Every CA cast should have trees, but rarely some trees are cast without CA but eclipse instead

[stoic fog]

i'm gonnna cry

[royal zenith]

do NOT cry

[drifting nova]

ever tried to watch a pro play a sports game

they dont understand the maths behind the motions

just the motions

[craggy sonnet]

trees have 1min cd, incarn has 2min cd but 2 charges

[stoic fog]

I'm watching warcraft logs timers/casts but it doesn't tell me what abilities they have UP so i can't determine priority

[craggy sonnet]

so after using your initial backup charge, you can only incarn with every other trees

[lucid olive]

try wowanalyzer timeline instead

[ruby badger]

Watch dwilkz or adeptxo on twitch

[lucid olive]

wowanalyzer.com

put log in thing

[ruby badger]

They both play with gcd trackera

[lucid olive]

the peak vibe pressers

for sure

@carmine vigil gameplay is 0 thoughts head empty slam dps damagemaxxing

while metermogging his team

[ruby badger]

The @ as well

[livid jay]

He's challenger in league he's allowed that

[ruby badger]

But idk just follow the opener very strictly in raid and then everything else lines up tbh

[stoic fog]

that's the easy part. i can memorize

it's the priioty rotation that's confusing me

[lucid olive]

just go to training dummy and hit dummy until its muscle memory

you start to get a hang of it

[livid jay]

Read the priority lists on dreamgrove guide pinned to this channel

[lucid olive]

if you have a decent UI then shit will just make sense as well

[stoic fog]

omg the dreamgrove guide....that was the most confusing jargon i've read in boomkin

[drifting nova]

clanker gamz is still working through his text operations

[lucid olive]

same

[ruby badger]

If you do the opener right your AP kinda just naturally lines up, other than that just make sure to stack AP towards the end of one eclipse/CA so you have enough AP to hit three spenders on your next eclipse

[stoic fog]

it listed like 30 permutations

[lucid olive]

as a new player id go wowhead instead

[drifting nova]

this you?

[stoic fog]

😛

[lucid olive]

dreamgrove compendium was not made for people picking up moonkin first time

[drifting nova]

[lucid olive]

but the frogs in here swear by it so they funnel everyone in there for some reason

[stoic fog]

agreed

[drifting nova]

I dont even know what it is

[royal zenith]

it's cause they can't fully explain it properly

[livid jay]

Some clanker website

[ruby badger]

If you play convoke the only thing to keep in mind is you only press it after spending 3 times in CA

[royal zenith]

imagine kekkers explaining shit

[drifting nova]

as of yesterday it's a gateway to the pasta compendium

that is its purpose

[ruby badger]

Other than that just follow fundamentals and you'll be doing the rotation like 90% right

[stoic fog]

Do you mean after you spend 3 surges for starlord in CA, then you press convoke?

[livid jay]

Huh

[drifting nova]

imagine thinking I know what I'm doing

[livid jay]

Why would u need to spend 3 times

[drifting nova]

still repeating bad mistakes I picked up 10years ago

[royal zenith]

can't imagine something that can't exist!

[ruby badger]

3 spenders of any sort yeah

[royal zenith]

that's not true actually, love fantasy

[stoic fog]

ah okay thanks watergodsteven

[ruby badger]

Idk I do it cause it's in the opener and I see good players do it

[drifting nova]

I still to this day open with sunfire not moonfire

not because I dont know its bad but my brain does it

and has forever

[tribal wedge]

does anyone know on raidbots top gear where to paste the string to sim every single food / flask combo? I cant seem to find the box to put the string into

[drifting nova]

[stoic fog]

Is that for opener or also for regular priority system too

[ruby badger]

I think you want a stacked star lord with convoke if I had to guess

[livid jay]

It's not in the opener tho

[livid jay]

No

[royal zenith]

convoke is not hasted

[livid jay]

Convoke is not affected by starlord

[royal zenith]

doesnt matter

[stoic fog]

ah okay

[royal zenith]

BUT

overcapping does matter

[drifting nova]

what builds even use convoke

[livid jay]

You don't have to surge 3 times before you press convoke after pressing ca

[stoic fog]

so dont' convoke with full AP

[royal zenith]

correct

[drifting nova]

just hope convoke casts starsurge

[jolly delta]

I swear to god once I finish moving in I will add that "simple explanation" section to the compendium

[royal zenith]

that's a general rule for bamkin either way

[drifting nova]

where you moving

fack

[royal zenith]

anything you overcap is wasted resource

[livid jay]

Dreamgrove, duh

[royal zenith]

cause builder/spender spec

[carmine vigil]

type shit

[drifting nova]

mr grove

[stoic fog]

makes sense

[ruby badger]

Ahhh that's the one, just spend below 40AP then convoke in CA

[drifting nova]

where you moving

[ruby badger]

Misinformation debunked

[drifting nova]

moving in with ravec?

[jolly delta]

I don't think Deux is going anywhere

[livid jay]

Yes

[drifting nova]

listen here

[jolly delta]

Berlin

[drifting nova]

oh

thought you'd say somewhere cool

[royal zenith]

I will never move in with someone again

[jolly delta]

We already spoke about it didn't we

[royal zenith]

way too blissful alone

[jolly delta]

I can't be trusted

[drifting nova]

mfw never moved out

[royal zenith]

did you ever live somewhere else than your own city @drifting nova

[drifting nova]

nope, still live at home

[livid jay]

Kekkers owns a city

[royal zenith]

he IS a city

[livid jay]

I moved out half a year ago and it's been pure bliss

[drifting nova]

still in the stockpiling phase

[livid jay]

Yea I was there till then

[drifting nova]

idk where I'd move either

[royal zenith]

@lucid olive did stare eventually get slapped?

or nah

[livid jay]

Where you like it or where u work 😄

[royal zenith]

(in sims that is)

[drifting nova]

I already live where I work

for alot less than rent or a mortage would be

[livid jay]

I moved to like 10 mins by bike from parents it was worth it 😄

Even tho 1k rent

[jolly delta]

mortgage

[drifting nova]

think my city and the area is like 3rd expensive in the UK

[jolly delta]

aren't you native English

[drifting nova]

[craggy sonnet]

is your gf german, vinter?

[drifting nova]

wdym

[craggy sonnet]

or berlin due to work

[jolly delta]

missed a g

spelled it wrong

[livid jay]

Native genglish

[jolly delta]

neither, Stuttgart is boring

[drifting nova]

https://tenor.com/view/listen-here-you-little-meme-you-little-shit-damn-you-damn-it-chicken-kiev-gif-25718782

[royal zenith]

people love grammar police online

they always do well in communities

[craggy sonnet]

wait, you arent german tho .. or?

[royal zenith]

vinter is italian

[drifting nova]

yeah idk, work for the university and the prices around the city are giga not it

[lucid olive]

dont think so

[lucid olive]

russian

but lives in italy

[royal zenith]

he's actually estonian

[lucid olive]

or lived

[drifting nova]

germany

close

on both counts

[lucid olive]

oh estonian probably right

[jolly delta]

No I'm not

[royal zenith]

(I have no idea)

[lucid olive]

some eastern european country..

[jolly delta]

Aber....

[craggy sonnet]

i was in stuttgart last weekend

[drifting nova]

imagine ..just imagine if your job could pay you enough to buy a place where you work

[lucid olive]

poor stuttgart

[drifting nova]

wild that

[livid jay]

Should have come to Heidelberg instead

[craggy sonnet]

[jolly delta]

I'm actually russian ye

[jolly delta]

Sorry for you

[craggy sonnet]

was there already last time i visited my guy in stuttgart. its a very nice city ngl

can only recommend

[drifting nova]

my guy?

[jolly delta]

his guy

[livid jay]

The plug

[drifting nova]

theres plugs involved>?

how new age

[jolly delta]

the guy

[craggy sonnet]

it was nice .. visited burg hohenzollern, were at an anime orchestral concert and watched project hail mary

[royal zenith]

russian + italian combo

directness overflowing

[lucid olive]

isnt vinter moving to germany too

[royal zenith]

yeah

x3

[jolly delta]

I'm already in Germany

[lucid olive]

he is the axis

[drifting nova]

wonder if ravec has picked up on the hands yet

[jolly delta]

I'm moving to another Germany

[craggy sonnet]

so why am i not bothering you in german

[livid jay]

Yea this chat is now property of the BRD

[royal zenith]

cause it's only like the 6th language in the world

[jolly delta]

Ich sprachen keine Deutsch

[royal zenith]

and english top 3

[jolly delta]

Mit karte bitte

[craggy sonnet]

smh

[livid jay]

Beleg?

[royal zenith]

it's even worse

[craggy sonnet]

just as all the folks in berlin

[royal zenith]

german not even top 10

[craggy sonnet]

so that makes sense

[jolly delta]

Exactly

[livid jay]

I mean ye only Germans speak German and there's like 80 mil of us xD

[jolly delta]

I was in Berlin a few months ago and the train broke, someone started saying something on the radio

Had to stop 4 different people

[drifting nova]

I was german for 3years?

[craggy sonnet]

austria prolly counting into that statistic

[jolly delta]

Before finding someone that could understand

[royal zenith]

that's why it's weird to speak german online

go to dm's

:3

[drifting nova]

you'd understand doox

[royal zenith]

I would hate someone speaking dutch to me online though..

[livid jay]

Cause it's fake german

[royal zenith]

nah just dont like speaking in native tongue online

[livid jay]

It is weird ye

[royal zenith]

if I talk to ravec in dm's or w.e.

it's english

(we used to raid together)

[livid jay]

Oh really

Ok with my German guildies I mostly write in german

And if we are without only english speakers in voice we would also speak German after realizing we can after speaking English for 5 mins

[royal zenith]

ew

[livid jay]

Idk my english is decent but it feels more real in german

[dull dust]

penis

[livid jay]

[jolly delta]

penis

[lucid olive]

this is difference between me and @void jacinth

[jolly delta]

chance you still didn't try my sim app

[lucid olive]

he types to me in english in DMs and i reply in norwegian

[jolly delta]

I think this is what's preventing you from finishing the apl

[lucid olive]

your app didnt warn me about a rogue parantheses

[dull dust]

ill try it tonight

[lucid olive]

vscode wouldve put a red outline below it

[dull dust]

I need to merge stuff

[jolly delta]

it did

[lucid olive]

no it didnt

[jolly delta]

you probably didn't notice it

[drifting nova]

it was rogue, you didnt see it

[jolly delta]

which means I need to make it easier to see

but

[dull dust]

I've written everything in the raidbots advanced thing up to now I've never used a differnt program

[lucid olive]

where is it

[dull dust]

top line

use items

[lucid olive]

yes

and wheres the warning

[dull dust]

I just gave u one

yw

[jolly delta]

see?

[livid jay]

Another goddamn clanker

[jolly delta]

you just didn't send it to chance

Anyways ye you're right that's weird

[dull dust]

[jolly delta]

Send the full line in the feedback form pls

[dull dust]

just write it good the first time

dammit gamz

[lofty depot]

@lucid olive

[sharp cairn]

Hello chickens. Just wanna know how ur all faring in m+ atm? Any issues getting into groups? I sadly had to fly out of town on reset day and wont be home for like an other week or so, just curious how desirable we are due to tier lists ect.

[lucid olive]

whats up

[lofty depot]

only uses 1 time

[dull dust]

using moonfire the gcd before trees

[lucid olive]

link sim

[dull dust]

ban that guy

[lofty depot]

ope i lied ctrl f is fucked

[lucid olive]

yeah thats what i thought

[lofty depot]

what the helly

[lucid olive]

i double checked that shit

it is just sending outside of eclipse btw off cd

[lofty depot]

ye

[dull dust]

im gunna drop the cook in general here

[lofty depot]

i read

[dull dust]

I wanna see the world burn

[lucid olive]

does anyone read general

[lofty depot]

sooo i go down first on chimaerus i need to send on opener

then have trinket up for adds

[lucid olive]

i dont think ive opened general for like 3 years

[dull dust]

ur right ill drop it in classic

[lofty depot]

gotta math out this shit

[dull dust]

arctic

[lofty depot]

might be hard

[dull dust]

can u copy paste stuff for me

k thx

[lofty depot]

?

[dull dust]

make a aoe opener list

just copy paste the variable opener lines

[lofty depot]

u dont need me to do that

u smort

[dull dust]

is on phone

hard

I do when home

[sharp cairn]

So struggeling to get into groups?

[dull dust]

send it to gamz at 2am

[lofty depot]

lol

[sharp cairn]

Im like 260 almost but that wont count for much when i get back

[royal zenith]

you will always struggle to get into groups if you're 'low' ilvl and have low raider.io

[lofty depot]

hjoly

[royal zenith]

bro

:' )

[dull dust]

thanks

[maiden pasture]

At this point tierlist and shit don't matter all that matters is score and ilevel for invites

[lofty depot]

i dm

thats big

[royal zenith]

you're also competing with about

[maiden pasture]

When the meta gets established, thats when tierlists and all matter

[royal zenith]

128319287391837198 other dps

[maiden pasture]

I'm 270 and full dungeons on 10s some on 11s, still don't get into groups that quick

Truly rough

[lofty depot]

when keys are too easy

ur gear doesnt matter cuz everyone is that illv

:/

everyone 260+

say something funny in the message

maybe u get in on aura

[sharp cairn]

Hard to get score when ur not there at the start tho, but i can always just go resto for the early easy keys ig. Heard getting 3k is quite easy this season already?

[lofty depot]

ive done all 10s and am like 2.6k

so idk sure

[maiden pasture]

People are pushing 3.5k already this week so 3k will be v easy yes

[royal zenith]

you were +2'ing 11's on the first day

[maiden pasture]

Some pug tanks struggle tho apparently

They're not having a great time

[formal cobalt]

are there recommended pieces for crafting with sparks? other than wep

[dense steeple]

what does the guide say

[formal cobalt]

nothing I can see

[primal patrol]

So does the coach's whistle actually work for balance like wowhead says? Do sims take this in to account or no?

[stoic fog]

Why do we waste eclipse --> incarn in opener?

why not just start with incarn

[sharp cairn]

To get astral power spam with both damage boosts + haste, no?

[lofty depot]

what if i told u, u arent wasting it

[stoic fog]

ohj

[lofty depot]

if ur in eclipse for 5-10 seconds.... and then u incarn.. which lasts 20...... thats 25-30s of "downtime" between the next eclipse....

if the recharge is 32...... u got a free eclipse essentially

[dull dust]

why is it 32seconds

[lofty depot]

that being said, the apl changed and u can enter incarn now

[dull dust]

can someone give me a logical reason

that eclipse is the only cd unhasted on a timer that isn't a multiple of 15

[lofty depot]

so scult the stars exists

mmhm mmhm

[dull dust]

[stoic fog]

i'm only doing 20k single target dps wtf

ugh not sure what i'm doing wrong

on dummies

[dull dust]

send log

that seems incredibly low tho

[stoic fog]

that ws right ouf of opener too

[dull dust]

should probably review the wowhead guide

[stoic fog]

okay nevermind i was doing 80K single target. I guess dummies doesn't reset automatically

is that normal for single target

[granite grove]

Darkmoon sigil: Hunt best for balance druid to put on staff embelishment?

[dim fulcrum]

s

[lofty depot]

yes

[sharp cairn]

80k sustained is good, depens on ur trinkets, ilevels ect ofc.

[red nymph]

oh what a treat it would be to have a decent trinket

Feels god awful when crucible and vet track emberwing are my two best simming trinkets

[stoic fog]

thank you 258 ilvl

[primal forum]

Is everyone running Elune in m+?

[sharp cairn]

With setbonus? Trinkets? I think i simmed my self at like 76k at 256, no good trinkets or setbonus.

[lofty depot]

no

[delicate perch]

Yeah they are I asked everyone

[red nymph]

liar. I see kotg logs

[delicate perch]

That’s ai

Nice try bud

[sharp cairn]

Would grove be bad in certain setups tho? Where high ST is needed?

[drifting nova]

setbonus? is that some mythical drop

[sharp cairn]

Yes, since i have 3 character at 255+ before last wednesday i did not get a single setpiece. And thats with lfr, normal and heroic

[delicate perch]

You could play either, keys don’t feel like any damage profile is needed though

[drifting nova]

260 with 1p from vault say something

[delicate perch]

You did all raid bosses available on 3 difficulties on 3 characters?

[red nymph]

its okay, guarenteed 4 set week 3 isnt the worst thing in the world

[drifting nova]

mb I'll get a hero piece from the delve bonus idk

[dull dust]

who's getting in on the liquid mythic splits

[drifting nova]

shouldve bought lights pot last week

they were like 8g

[delicate perch]

For r1s?

[drifting nova]

ye

[lofty depot]

what makes u think u cant do st as keeper

[drifting nova]

they are like 60g now

[delicate perch]

I hope that happens in oce

[dull dust]

keeper does more st

[sharp cairn]

I dont have a life when im not required 😅

[dull dust]

[delicate perch]

I crafted like 900

[drifting nova]

I got hooked on using them last week as friend levelled alchemy

thought oh they are dirt cheap

..and now they are not

[delicate perch]

Ya I’ve been chugging

[sharp cairn]

Aint grove a lot higher ST then elune?

[drifting nova]

did a little alchemy myself for them and yeah the herbs have gone up

for the craft

[delicate perch]

Oh a world quest mob?

[drifting nova]

got my first hero wep yday tho

..for bear

the 170 agi wep for bear is no more

[lofty depot]

the difference in either doesnt likely matter in any case

u will do better ST damage than most classes

[sharp cairn]

Depends on the key ig? At very high levels they would?

[red nymph]

EC actually does pretty respectable boss damage for M+

[lofty depot]

what very high keys are u doing currently

[lofty depot]

yea, but who wnats to play ec

[drifting nova]

I do

[lofty depot]

shut up

[drifting nova]

I did piss overall in my 8 yday

nerf mages when

shit does too much

[quiet coyote]

I love EC

[lofty depot]

who>

[drifting nova]

think my avg was like 65k

could do my key now but ball is on

[dull dust]

ec is for the devil worshipers and femboys

[red nymph]

frickin laser beams

[lofty depot]

wow so cool

ur casting starfire a million times

[drifting nova]

today I am slovenian

or is it slovakia

I always forget

[delicate perch]

Yeah lots of high keys going atm (false)

[red nymph]

in M+ youre doing the exact same thing as kotg

[drifting nova]

whys there an oce guild in top 5

wtf

[lucid olive]

world ranks do not matter right now

i think they are entirely fake

[fickle lagoon]

guys is this activated by boomie abilities?

[drifting nova]

sure but its honestly

[lucid olive]

yes

just doing regular rotation procs it

[fickle lagoon]

nice

is it good? haha

[lucid olive]

its okay

[drifting nova]

can we proc the alleria neck?

[delicate perch]

Boomkins = helpful

[fickle lagoon]

i have nothing else atm so il take it

[drifting nova]

it's also written incredibly awkwardly

chance to pep up you

[lucid olive]

it was very good but got nerfed

its still a good trinket tho

[delicate perch]

It just spawns a mirror and you chat to yourself

[lofty depot]

NO

[drifting nova]

another fan?

count me in

[lofty depot]

im casting wrath on st

[lucid olive]

the dev who did the stat squish on the item forgot that it also applies to your bonded teammate so the stat buff should be budgetted for 2 people instead of 1, but it got fixed

[delicate perch]

I’m doing that as EC

what now

[drifting nova]

I had hopes tier would fix ec

but it seems to not

[red nymph]

does dryad ss/sf proc 4set?

[delicate perch]

Idk I usually top boss dam as ec unless I have literally nothing available

[fast finch]

Wrath only when you aren't in lunar eclipse/inc or even when you are in eclipse/inc?

[formal trellis]

what should i use instead of bloodmallet to see some trinket data

[delicate perch]

Raidbots

[drifting nova]

bloodmallet is good

[formal trellis]

bloodmallet still doesnt have boomkin data

[dull dust]

who

wtf

[formal trellis]

i dont have trinkets, raidbots doesnt mean jack

[drifting nova]

they all copy info from noxxic at the end of the day

[dull dust]

@lucid olive

[drifting nova]

could go straight to the source

[mighty mica]

no

[delicate perch]

You can add any item you like to raidbots

[dull dust]

fix bloody m

[drifting nova]

https://tenor.com/view/druski-gif-18348698948575815487

[dull dust]

kill him thyme

[delicate perch]

See a trinket sim a trinket

[lucid olive]

no

[red nymph]

well thats entirely just stupid

[drifting nova]

whys the top chicken on rio only an aotcer

[lucid olive]

the dryad spells are separate spell IDs

they do not interact with any of your talents

[formal trellis]

i dont want just bis trinkets, I'd like some data on acceptable alternatives

[lucid olive]

they barely scale off your stats

[formal trellis]

wowhead list doesnt seem great

[delicate perch]

Yeah based

[red nymph]

dryads are chopped

[drifting nova]

what even is the list

[delicate perch]

@lucid olive thoughts on that?

[drifting nova]

wut

[lofty depot]

why would i be pressing starfire in keeper on st

[lucid olive]

no thoughts

[lofty depot]

on st

[lucid olive]

head empty

[delicate perch]

[dull dust]

gamz why bm no work

[lucid olive]

idk

[drifting nova]

wdym the alternatives are the further you go down

[lucid olive]

you can submit a profile to the github if you want

[dull dust]

I dont have a account

[lucid olive]

on github?

[dull dust]

nopd

[lucid olive]

make one then

"connect with google"

1 click

[drifting nova]

what even is github

[lucid olive]

is the hub where people go to git the fuck away from you

[vital hound]

head full of reels

[drifting nova]

convinced thats the worst thring to happen to the internet

[dull dust]

dont profiles get auto pulled on github

[delicate perch]

I’m making an account rn

[dull dust]

wouldn't that be bad

[lucid olive]

bro.. theres so many reels i see that im like "i should send this to sheep" and then i change my mind

[vital hound]

thank god

waking up to ten thousand fucking insta messages from you every day

[delicate perch]

Add them to a saved list and send them to him at 3am

[vital hound]

esp when hungover

[lucid olive]

i know you appreciate it

i go to bed and i open instagram and just stare at the screen for 2 hours

drooling

[dull dust]

sheep solicited me for sims gamz

aboose

[lucid olive]

its 2026 modern braindeath

[lucid olive]

sheep can do whatever he wants

[vital hound]

i made a poor suggestion for the apl

[lucid olive]

he corrects all my writing completely free of charge

[vital hound]

expert role when

https://tenor.com/bO6mt.gif

[dull dust]

same

[normal pilot]

ya just make a profile

your profile is 100% guaranteed to be accepted

[royal zenith]

I will deny it

[drifting nova]

made one

cant wait for response

[royal zenith]

[drifting nova]

like applying for a job

100% success rate

[amber snow]

So i still didn't choose my vault loot what would you guys pick?
Trinket because it is one of the better ones and HC track? Or the Set piece so i get have 4 Set this week (instead of hopefully/probably next week)?

[pseudo merlin]

Any reason to be delving this week @royal zenith

?

[drifting nova]

free hero piece

[pseudo merlin]

ye im 271

so no

[drifting nova]

then youl need it

[pseudo merlin]

[royal zenith]

no clue

[pseudo merlin]

thought you were the delve knower

[royal zenith]

fuck no

[drifting nova]

where

[pseudo merlin]

im rank 1 priest on my server buddy

[drifting nova]

wait you're pizzak

I forget

[drifting nova]

so 270

cant even read

smh

[lucid olive]

I would do the raid first and then choose after

[pseudo merlin]

ok go ahead round .75 down

idiot

[pallid bay]

a single t11 delve for cracked keystone quest

[pseudo merlin]

ye I did that

ok so no more, thank fuck

[lofty depot]

do u raid still this week?

[pallid bay]

yeah no point then

[drifting nova]

a male nelf priest

I want to throw up

[amber snow]

yeah but have nhc clear and hc all excapt alleria hc.

[lofty depot]

then just wait til then

[amber snow]

and depending on what you would choose which item? xD

[lofty depot]

prob take trinket... then use cata charge next week

[plucky valley]

Just tmog the loin cloth so you have thick thighs to look at

Problem solved

[drifting nova]

worst thing I ever did was make 2 nelves

both started male

but armour looks shit on them

cant transmog for shit

dwarf druid when

[vital hound]

rejoice

no more delves until next season

[pseudo merlin]

nah you mean next xpac

there's usually no need for delving between seasons right

champion track next tier is unlikely worth

[vital hound]

first week for hero track

for vault

[pseudo merlin]

oh is it hero

fuck

[vital hound]

ya

from 8 or w/e

[pseudo merlin]

hang on

[bleak kiln]

So i see on wowhead that 2nd craft should be gloves, but what if you need/have gloves for 4 pc?

[pseudo merlin]

we can just do prey instead right

[vital hound]

idk

maybe

8 collegiates is fkn rapid tho

[pseudo merlin]

true

[drifting nova]

wtf, get help

[vital hound]

we just grouped up, everyone goes on direction each

[fast sequoia]

wouldn't you still want to cata out of gloves asap?

[lucid olive]

get the last piece from m+ and catalyze it

[bleak kiln]

You can cata crafted? I had no clue

[lucid olive]

not what i mean

what pieces do you have currently

[bleak kiln]

I got hero shoulders in vault

And cata'd hero cheat

Chest*

With how massive my raid group is, I wont get tier from there until many weeks in

Very very casual guild, only killed 1st boss H

So i only have 1 charge from 2k and thats it for this week

[lucid olive]

you won't be able to craft the hands until next week anyway assuming you crafted staff

and if you didnt craft staff first then the wowhead guide is irrelevant since you didnt follow step 1

[bleak kiln]

Yea right just wanted to be prepped

Already crafted staff

[lucid olive]

i would take the shoulders from vault

and then wait see what you get next week

you can finish 4set next week without raid tokens

[drifting nova]

I only have tier gloves, why even put vers on gear

it is 2026

[bleak kiln]

Yea I did, I have 2 set now

We send cata charges on champ to 4 set since its so easy to get more after 4 set yea?

[lucid olive]

ye

next week you get 1 more cata charge + you can get a cata charge from reaching 2k score

[bleak kiln]

Yea I could get 3 set rn but no point

Already at like 2.4k io

[lucid olive]

ye

so that would let you finish 4set and start acquiring the gradual cata charges from content

[bleak kiln]

Tried lfr too, no luck

[lucid olive]

then you craft gloves after

but its not like it matters that much which slot it is

[bleak kiln]

Yea i'm like 264 lol

[lucid olive]

you just do not want to myth crest craft on a low stat budget slot like wrists/belt/cloak like previous seasons

that's fine to do when we're a few months into the season and we have an excess of crests and sparks

[bleak kiln]

What about if I get gloves in vault next week? Just do an alternative craft?

Trying to think of all possibilities

[lucid olive]

or finish your 4set, do some keys, get another cata charge from that and catalyze an m+ item on your last tier slot, and then craft gloves after

or you can just craft whatever piece you're missing

or you can craft an agi dagger, the world is your oyster don't let yourself be controlled by big craft