balance

[sturdy sphinx]

Ty for info, I've read through the compendium a few times.

Are there any videos that anyone would recommend?

[dry compass]

Tuned into the race for the first time holy class stacking batman

We've got a bear, four hunters, three MWs three warlocks, and three dragons on a council boss??

[lusty echo]

Can you recommend a nameplate profile like that ? It's hard to find one that works good for me 🙁

Or eclipse if you have no CA right ?

[spice egret]

Anyone else having issues with certain buffs (eclipses, free ss/sf procs) not showing up on CDM buffs bar?
Using Ellesmere UI, so might just be an addon thing 🤷

[ember dock]

my gf for some reason messed with spellqueue on my account, standard spellqueue was 400 right or did that change?

[loud kettle]

default is 400 yes

[tacit quest]

is it just me not reading right, but has the raidbots balance api changed like 3x in the last 3 days

[normal pilot]

prolly more than that

oh maybe not

[fresh hill]

hey chat if my vault just has non-tier hero chest/ legs, champ ribbon, do i just take tokens to eventually put on myth item or just take a hero piece to make gearing faster?

[ember dock]

400 is fine I guess? I wondered what felt so funny and it was set to 150 😄

[loud kettle]

yea i use 400 and have no problems

[ember dock]

thanks ^^

[devout agate]

By CA you mean incarnation?

[warm briar]

Unless you’re running convoke

[devout agate]

And do you know what macros can be binded to that?

[drifting nova]

20k behind the other druid with 4pc, it's joever

[shell hare]

when you get 4p achievement are catalysts uncapped? can I just slam any upgrade into tier

[analog moat]

Max I've heard is people getting 2 a week so far.

[shell hare]

I got 2 yesterday and 1 today

[drifting nova]

is pi random now?

[raven gorge]

how big is the difference between sunseeker mushroom and wild mushroom?

[grave agate]

on vanguard do we still build with wrath or starfire instead?

[lofty depot]

depends what ur playing

wrath better on keeper surely

[fair pasture]

i have 250 veteran 6/6 staff with haste vers, so not ideal stats, should i spend 4 of my shards to get a weapon crafted?

or like replace my green 198 pants

my friend said because i can choose the stats and embellishments i should do weapon

[lofty depot]

thats not the reason u craft it

but nonetheless u should be crafting it

[fair pasture]

whats the reason

[cobalt junco]

am i missing something with mushroom? why people taking it on vorasius mythic? it does piss damage

[lofty depot]

1. myth weapon is good
2. staff is crest save
3. u can choose the stats

[fair pasture]

thanks!

[lofty depot]

all the talents it fights with do 1-2%

it actually doesnt matter

[celest rampart]

Been away so not been able to play much at all this expansion

How are people tracking in combat buffs/ procs? Historically I just made a weak aura for it

[fair pasture]

should i get my weapon embellished also

i guess the guide should say that ill checkl

[cobalt junco]

yeah it does pisslow dam. wouldnt like FOE for astral gen or meteor storm for adds be better?

[lofty depot]

every talent does piss low damage dog

as stated

the talents ur choosing from do 1-2%

[dense steeple]

i just ran a windrunner 11 a whole 2 minutes faster than my previous windrunner 11 and didnt get score

heres the key, and my previous best

[cobalt junco]

yeah yeah i get, so just take what u like playing with?

cause meteor storm might be nice for adds

[lofty depot]

maybe

@spiral juniper did u try meteor at all

u just slam for fun

[cobalt junco]

he did

looking log

[ocean atlas]

What talents are you running on your keys? I’m using Keeper build, haven’t tried EC yet.

[cloud lion]

when u are 13 ilvl lower

[mighty kindle]

Hi hi! Why cant I sim on RaidBots "Dungeon slice" fight style?! Who knows?

[spiral juniper]

I think meteor is only good on first boss were adds live short, otherwise no real value on any boss

[lofty depot]

did u read the thing

[cobalt junco]

he also uses on use shroom and incarn over convoke, bros cooking

[lofty depot]

i mean its not really a cook, if he wants add damage hes playing that

[cobalt junco]

yeah i get why, i like it might try it

[gaunt ruin]

How do you feel boomie inside keys? I feel that we don’t do enough dps outside incarn

[plucky valley]

For crafting do we get 1 or 2 embellys?

I cannae remembuh

[jaunty blaze]

2

[plucky valley]

Thank you king

Here, you dropped this

[jaunty blaze]

no biggie g

[plucky valley]

👑

[dense steeple]

im pumping

here was my overall last key

[formal trellis]

why is boomkin -still- not on bloodmallet?

[glacial steeple]

Profile is weird

[normal pilot]

no

nobody submitted a profile. you can if you want but bloodmallet isn't accurate anyways

[granite moat]

whats ur ilvl ? do u have 4pc?

im struggling a lot

[dense steeple]

265 and yes

[granite moat]

playing keeper or elune?

everywhere says elune is better but i perform a lot better as keeper

[dense steeple]

EC

[granite moat]

welp, i need to fix something xd im 2 10s away from m y 285 weapon but that shouldnt boost me 35k dps to your level lol

do you have a good ui guide or something you follow, i feel i can improve my ui a lot

[dense steeple]

nah i just use bartender and cdm

it could likely also be you just playing wrong

idk

[granite moat]

i probably am

i try to follow the wowhead directions -> moonfire sunfire -> elunes / eclipse + fury -> spenders (starfall for aoe, surge for st) 3x to use the buff -> starfire from there and rinse / repeat

try to keep my astral down and my buffs up but i feel a bit overwhelmed

[slender dragon]

hey lads how does logs works since midnight ? seems i can't get any dungeons properly

either my logs are outdated or i got this

[dense steeple]

this key i did better

but aug so who knows

[granite moat]

im 260 with heroic 6/6 maisara trinket

i feel i should deal at least 80k overall

26% mast, 20% haste

[round field]

please stop posting details screenshots

[dense steeple]

i lowkey think maisara trinket is bait

[dense steeple]

we cant all be winners

[granite moat]

freaking wowhead says its the best dung trinket '-' ?

wtf

[dense steeple]

i mean its not bad

[glacial steeple]

I can't find the things on the ground, bad eyesight

[dense steeple]

i just think its oversimming

[granite moat]

act i have vessel, not soulcratcher

both are maisaras

[dense steeple]

oh yeah vessel is doodoo

lmao

[granite moat]

its bad?

[dense steeple]

you should check out the compendium

it stays more up to date than wowhead will, wowhead will lag behind compendium

[glacial steeple]

Vessel is hard to see on the ground

And moving to pick it up is wack

[cloud lion]

memes

less than 260 ilvl

getting boosted

[dense steeple]

big gamer

my parses were better than that at 240

[cloud lion]

well they are 100 for my ilvl

[glacial steeple]

You can go lower

I believe in you

[cloud lion]

there are like less than 10 boomies

[glacial steeple]

Sounds like an excuse

[long nova]

how is boomy's dmg in m+ normally i feel kinda sucky

[lofty depot]

im blasting

[dense steeple]

BLASTINg

last pull i just did

just BLAST

[halcyon jungle]

Blastkin

[ionic oak]

Ec or nah

[grave scaffold]

Man I gotta be shit at this spec lol I am not doing numbers like that

[dense steeple]

yeah im EC

[cloud lion]

higher keys more dps

[lofty depot]

NEXUS AMP

[dense steeple]

whats that

im chain running 10 WS

[glacial steeple]

I'm still trying to get a heroic Dreamrift

[warm briar]

Pit of Saron so ez just sleepwalking through that dungeon even on a 12

Only remotely difficult dungeons I’ve encountered were WS and MT (spellbreaker/healer packs)

[shy knot]

am i missing anything or why is Crucible of Erratic Energies not listed under the trinkets? sims way better than Wraps of cosmic madness i just got..which i think are better in m+ than raid i guess

[normal pilot]

not listed where

[hushed quiver]

Yeah its simming higher than any of the bis m+ trinkets at least champion level

[shy knot]

compendium and wowhead

[normal pilot]

prolly just not updated. sites lke wowhead give guide writers deadlines when nobody knows which trinkets will be good/bad

written guides are just out of date the mintue they're published

[shy knot]

alright 🙂

[fiery kindle]

quick question, what's best rings in dungeons

nexus rings, right?

any simmer

[shy knot]

sad..was happy to get the wraps just to see theyre no upgrade 🙁

[normal pilot]

maybe blizz'll change stuff or maybe somethin'gs bugged that'll get fixed

[fallow otter]

can someone help me with the routaion 😄

[fiery kindle]

@lucid olive are u on

[lucid olive]

on what

[fiery kindle]

i have question if u available

which fingers hould i prefer? nexus rings or platinum band and occlusion void together

[lucid olive]

nexus rings

linked in bottom of compendium

along with the strings to sim it yourself for your character

[stone ledge]

I love the harandar vibes but I think I gotta go back to nelf til we get a shadowmeld potion

[balmy swallow]

Ok...How much mastery is too much?

[stone ledge]

Who has the stats meme

[calm bane]

quick question guys.... 2 targets we cast starfall or starsurge?

[stone ledge]

Surge and swap targets for stellar amp

[calm bane]

thanks!

[shy knot]

Is there any top balance player who uploads raid pov gameplay on yt or another platform?

[edgy quarry]

hello guys how u doin ?

Vorasius MM what do u think ? convok or not ? in my point of view convoq but seem lot of boomy don't

[median panther]

Looking for jus some general raid advice, on aoe fights where adds come in do you bother applying dots or let starfall do the work? as i doubt dots will get any reall effectiveness

[ruby badger]

Think the adds dying in time on mythic with current gear isn't easy, so people probably play incarn so they can hold a charge for it and carry

[edgy quarry]

hum I see yes...

[lofty depot]

adeptxo

[shy knot]

Dope thx

[ruby badger]

Add spawn timers

[long nova]

what's Compendium

[tacit oriole]

Check the pin

[edgy quarry]

thanks

🙂

[ruby badger]

Np gl

[drifting nova]

I hate algathar

[shy knot]

It's pinned in here. Present by the gods 🤪

[unreal quail]

i wonder; in m+, every time after i enter eclipse, should i always use 3x starsurge?
or is it only at the start of the packs // nvm, just read the talent that it works on starfall as well

[edgy quarry]

I think I'm gonna play this on vora MM

[regal pelican]

U guys like sending both CA charges back to back on pull with just and pot in the raid? Or reckon better to save it for ur 2nd trees

[lucid olive]

save for trees

[glacial steeple]

CA->Eclipse->Eclipse->CA

[jolly delta]

So, is there a way to somehow see/show if I'm targeted by a certain debuff in m+?
Or is that all private now
Basically everything where I'd want to be pressing a defensive

[obsidian fjord]

u just use bigwig/littlewig debuff display right

[obsidian fjord]

chinese diplomat man has some crazy takes

[drifting nova]

BANKER

liu shiyu is a banker

[obsidian fjord]

banker? i hardly know her

[spice roost]

targeted spells addon is supposed to do that havent tried it myself

[jolly delta]

that shit does it for all casts iirc

[spice roost]

ah

[jolly delta]

well, for all the ones that are targeted at you

which is well yeah sure

better than nothing

but ffs

blizzard give me back my ui

[obsidian fjord]

the game is a lot better now

now that blizzard successfully killed addons they are unshackled from weakauras

and they can make really unique and cool bosses

thats why this tier feels so different from before

[drifting nova]

https://tenor.com/view/cool-gif-5111338745644474401

whatever you say funny sprout

[obsidian fjord]

its a lot more rewarding now to configure your w33kauras instead of weakauras, debuffs in bigwigs instead of bigwigs, ui in elvui instead of elvui and your note in timeline reminders instead of timeline reminders and alerts in northern sky raid tools

[odd solstice]

Hello, In ST when I have an instant wrath or starfire in solar eclipse (no CA or incarn up), should I starfire or wrath ? I swear I read somewhere that starfire was more dps if instant but cannot find where

[pallid bay]

good one

lil gup

[royal zenith]

expert btw

[earnest flame]

the compendium says starfire iirc

[lucid olive]

it says Starfire when CA is up

which is opposite to what he asked

[lucid olive]

it doesnt rly matter

either option is dmg neutral now

after the Wrath buff a couple weeks ago

on more than 1 target its better to Starfire though

I prefer to Starfire though cause it has higher chance of proccing Touch the Cosmos

and it feels cool

[dense steeple]

gamz do i wrath in CA in EC ST?

[lucid olive]

no

[dense steeple]

thanks i didnt want to open a tab

[odd solstice]

I gree, the sound of starfire is better

agree* / thank you for the info

[drifting nova]

m+ isnt going to get buffed...right

[quiet drift]

It buffs itself if you go up in key levels

[plucky valley]

It’ll be a higher key level ceiling this season

[drifting nova]

but I've already done a 9

[quiet drift]

People are doing 16s

youre behind

[plucky valley]

I wonder if they purposefully released an easier m+ season due to the removal of wa

[drifting nova]

people can suck my balls

[quiet drift]

D:

[plucky valley]

Can I suck your balls? :3

[drifting nova]

wouldve been a 10 but missed +2 8alga by like 4seconds

[drifting nova]

[mighty mica]

https://tenor.com/view/i-saw-what-you-deleted-cat-gif-25407007

[drifting nova]

[plucky valley]

Hahaha

[fair pasture]

People be crazy about orbs

All kinds

[drifting nova]

balanced

nvm arcane hit 800

[delicate perch]

That’s actually insanely high for kekkers

[drifting nova]

just another tuesday

[jolly delta]

A classic

[obsidian fjord]

average class discorder

[vocal parcel]

Is [Soulcatcher's Charm] a sim bait or is it a good trinket?

And wich trinkets are our good options out of m+

[obsidian fjord]

why is it sim bait

[vocal parcel]

i dont see what it makes strong

also the damage in keys is realy low what i can see

[obsidian fjord]

link the sim and the log of the dungeon

[vocal parcel]

i dont have logs xD whaha

[obsidian fjord]

xD whaha

[vocal parcel]

But i just want to know if it a good trinket our we have beter options in keys...

easy question i think xD

[obsidian fjord]

well i was going to help u check that bit

xD

[jolly delta]

Im not sure what would make it a simbait

But

Yes, it's implemented correctly in simc

[dense steeple]

yall think i'll ever stop getting belts?

[jolly delta]

But

I am not sure how you're even simming it

[obsidian fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/travis-scott-belt-gif-25195876

[vocal parcel]

just the default settings

[jolly delta]

Since balance doesnt support dungeonroute

[obsidian fjord]

link the sim like I said

[lucid olive]

good trinket

probably best m+ trinket

its working correctly

not as good in AoE i think

[jolly delta]

If it sims high in ST that sounds weird

[vocal parcel]

aah found it thanks for help 😉

[lucid olive]

wdym

[drifting nova]

break was

rwf still uses was

confused noises

donkey devs

[jolly delta]

nvm was looking at unscaled value

less than ~1k dps with 4ppm sounded awful

[autumn rune]

Can someone help me out ;^;

[lucid olive]

maybe

[honest musk]

In this build how do I play in ST? Do I eclipse for lunar and cast Starfire even on 1 target?

[autumn rune]

I’ve been doing 12s/13s and I’m getting gapped by all sorts of classes… I’m doing maybe 114k overall

[lucid olive]

yes suire

[lucid olive]

link log and someone will probably look at it

[modern cairn]

How are you meant to position "better" in m+ as bamkin? Just had a key where i was getting cooked by the unavoidable aoe and died but also looking at damage taken and unavoidable damage taken I was the lowest in the key

[dull dust]

yo gamz one of ur wowhead builds takes the eclipse proc talent 2x

surely not right

[lucid olive]

which one

[dull dust]

elune raid

[lucid olive]

banger

[ionic surge]

@dense steeple you got this mount yet

[autumn rune]

jk not 114k at the end but

[lucid olive]

try now

[autumn rune]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/tVBYq9NgkAKMTf8c?fight=6&type=damage-done

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/K3mytMq8xLh9QpcV?fight=5&type=damage-done

[lucid olive]

i am just guessing which one of these it is lmao

but think its the right one

[dull dust]

is good

[drifting nova]

just use m+ numpty

[dull dust]

im using the secret cook anyway

[lucid olive]

i just yolod this page btw but i think thats the right one

[obsidian fjord]

pool resource

[drifting nova]

anything to save me from palying keeper

[jolly delta]

Staff only???

[lucid olive]

yeah theyre slop builds that are outdated

[drifting nova]

you just die because we have even worse defensives than last xpac somehow

[lucid olive]

like "best one button rotation talents"

[jolly delta]

lmao

fucking wowhead

[lucid olive]

providing those isn't part of wowhead template anymore

theres also lots of duplicates in there

i thought my "staff only" list was bad before i checked other specs

holy

[polar goblet]

Anyone got a macro for Incarnation or Chosen of Elune + Trinkets + racials?

[dull dust]

yo i need that

obr lfr gaming

[void jacinth]

heck is a staff only list

[dull dust]

hes got the secret cook builds there

that do 10% more dps

[lucid olive]

#showtooltip
/use 13
/use 14
/cast [@cursor] Celestial Alignment
/cast Berserking

remove the use 13 or use 14 depending on what slot your trinket is in

[void jacinth]

nobody has berserking everyone went haranir lil bro

[lucid olive]

hey he asked for racials and berserking is the only one not on gcd that we can use with CDs..

[spice forum]

misinformed

[obsidian fjord]

you cant use that build if you have a mh/oh

[lucid olive]

yeah need the mainhand list

but thats above my paygrade

[void jacinth]

he did ask for racials thats mb mb

[lofty depot]

L macro

[obsidian fjord]

disinformed****

[lucid olive]

scroll up bud

someone linked a log

[lucid olive]

dis what

[void jacinth]

who is misinformed now lil bro?

[obsidian fjord]

u

[lofty depot]

im raiding

[lucid olive]

damn thought youd say dis nuts..

[lofty depot]

ilvl check?

[lucid olive]

i was laying you up bro..

[lucid olive]

lol not 270 yet?

[lofty depot]

no loot

still have 200 hero

[drifting nova]

I upgraded to 260

[lucid olive]

in my guild youd be 8th highest

thats kinda low

9th actually by a decimal..

[drifting nova]

how much damage even is mainstat

like what is 8int

[void jacinth]

enzyr's name

[obsidian fjord]

dropping ilvl check with only 269 is the kind of blind confidence i wish I had

[spice forum]

idk lol

[obsidian fjord]

i think harrison jones in my uldum follower dungeon group has higher ilvl

[void jacinth]

this guy is hard dunking on yall

[lucid olive]

yeah he's been doing this since he joined the server a few days ago

he's my favorite clover

or elaf idk what the icon is supposed to be

[void jacinth]

youve struck gold with this clover

[drifting nova]

are the chains on cosmos random

the 3 breaks

[void jacinth]

its like a heart plant

[lucid olive]

The circles you break on Alleria?

[drifting nova]

yeah

I know 1 is tank

as he goes last

[lucid olive]

1 tank 1 ranged 1 melee

[drifting nova]

o

makes sense

yoloing breaks is more fun tho

[void jacinth]

ranged first then melee when they realize which takes 7 seconds then tanks

[jolly delta]

this is talking about ilvl but

[lucid olive]

Melee goes first, then tank goes and then ranged goes last as the 2 big purple circles spawn with the missiles

[jolly delta]

i wonder if he cooked

[void jacinth]

disinformationoonono

[drifting nova]

tank realised a tank gets it 100% this week so

[jolly delta]

cba doublechecking

[molten yoke]

In ST opener if I dont have three SS should I just starfall?

[lucid olive]

idk thats what we did

[void jacinth]

it do not matter ig

then again you killed before me youre smarter

[drifting nova]

yeah we do tank last mostly because he knows someone will die otherwies

idk

[jolly delta]

feels absolutely random math but maybe hes right

[lucid olive]

Just as long as you're all stacked for when the purple shit on the ground spawns and move as a unit away from it

Alleria p2 and p3 is basically just Sarkareth p1

Aim some lines, get hit by some lines, walk clockwise around platform and leave shit behind you

[void jacinth]

think liquid kill it tonight?

[drifting nova]

was just maxing out champ pieces ia ll and got a whopping 8 or 9int

[lucid olive]

yeah Alleria mythic looks like a joke lmfao

[obsidian fjord]

ur kidding

[drifting nova]

everythings undertuned

[void jacinth]

"if we get to p2" and theyre there pull 1 or something

[obsidian fjord]

how do they undertune that boss of all boss

[drifting nova]

[molten yoke]

In ST opener if I dont have three SS should I just starfall? @lucid olive

[obsidian fjord]

i am supposed to be going to bed now and u have triggered me

[lucid olive]

if you have a free spender proc then yeah use it

[obsidian fjord]

now i am opening a liquid max stream

[lucid olive]

not surprising tho since its untested boss + everything after P1 is not in dungeon journal

[molten yoke]

word

[void jacinth]

my bad Taka-kun

[lucid olive]

its same as Gallywix where most of the fight has been secret

[drifting nova]

san no?

[lucid olive]

and they fucked up Gallywix tuning too

[obsidian fjord]

it's sama

[lucid olive]

sama-kun?

[void jacinth]

weeb caught

[obsidian fjord]

we're not tight like that

[drifting nova]

I'M ASKING YOU

[void jacinth]

LMAO

[obsidian fjord]

shut up

[drifting nova]

ok leaf-san

[void jacinth]

damn Gaijin

[lucid olive]

clovers can't talk to kekkers like that..

[obsidian fjord]

i better not wake up to alleria dead

[lucid olive]

only us seasoned dreamgrove frogs are allowed to hate on kekkers like that

[drifting nova]

oh hi vin

I dont even know if I can be bothered to do preys this week

or delves

[void jacinth]

think again

[drifting nova]

minigame too easy

[jolly delta]

im vin

[void jacinth]

and cracked keystone from T11 delve

[drifting nova]

you're mr diesel?

idk what a cracked keysotne is

[void jacinth]

go back to pet battles mate

[drifting nova]

I know its guaranteed trove for hero delve but eeeeh

but yknow I'm a gamer

I still have my beacon from last week

just get a nautilus spawn natty

[void jacinth]

who??

https://tenor.com/view/walking-nautilus-wide-gif-17844364

[lucid olive]

no you're nik

[drifting nova]

hitbox like a log

[void jacinth]

Saint Nik

[lucid olive]

doxxing vinter..

[void jacinth]

the vinter spirit

[drifting nova]

what order do you do alleria voidwalkers

left or right

[void jacinth]

anticlockwise for us

[lucid olive]

@jolly delta bro why have i never noticed that clicking the copyright icon at the bottom of Dreamgrove

opens the copypasta sheet

[drifting nova]

it threw me off in a pug who went left

[lucid olive]

[drifting nova]

am I on it

[jolly delta]

[lucid olive]

the copypasta sheet?

probably

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1UTaAbYKaCy7U8xpWfxbJOq9Ds3pUmIGwj1KAAgyk91I/edit?tab=t.0

[jolly delta]

finally someone found it

[lucid olive]

been a while since someone shared it

[drifting nova]

paper did it all the time

now reduced to a ghost

[dull dust]

https://klipy.com/gifs/belle-zzz-1

[dense steeple]

thats actualyl so big brain lmao

[drifting nova]

I made it

https://tenor.com/view/pirates-of-the-carribean-jack-sparrow-johnny-depp-you-heard-of-me-famous-gif-4968261

[lucid olive]

about flap

[plucky valley]

Cat form

[drifting nova]

nice to see flap has a use on alleria

[dense steeple]

it doesnt though just wild charge

[drifting nova]

??

are you cooked

[lucid olive]

QUICK QUESTION : Should it be a chanel focused on Boomy talks and not like heavy weight lifting??? ... why dont you moderate 😎 this useless chitchat?

@delicate perch

[jolly delta]

[dense steeple]

no shot am i 5 second flapping over that hole when i can 1 second jump it

[jolly delta]

guess the phase

[drifting nova]

what hole blud

[lucid olive]

whats the use of flap

can you flap when she phases and not get knocked up

[drifting nova]

fall damage you doughnut

[lucid olive]

that sounds funny af

[drifting nova]

when she yeets you up

[dense steeple]

the one on alleria

[drifting nova]

not to cross the gap

[dense steeple]

you can wild charge that too

[lucid olive]

you just wild charge that yeah

[drifting nova]

BUT THEN YOU CANT USE WILD CHARGE FOR OTHER THINGS

flap has no othe ruse

[lucid olive]

what other things

[dense steeple]

you wont need it for 15 seconds after that

[lucid olive]

she phases and you wild charge to the point youre stacking

youre gonna stand there for 20+ seconds after anyway

[drifting nova]

you drop faster with flap

my head

[plucky valley]

I like my cat form tech

[lucid olive]

you can also use spells during wild charge

not during flap

[plucky valley]

Wild charge sounds good tho

[drifting nova]

you dont flap the entire way you

what

holy god

you've never flapped

[plucky valley]

I flap at least once a day on goodness gracious

[jolly delta]

what happened with affixes

[drifting nova]

they got boring

[jolly delta]

is it literally purple ball until 12

[drifting nova]

affixes were cosmetic last xpac

they are still cosmetic now

[jolly delta]

yes but what affixes

[drifting nova]

does it matter

[jolly delta]

or is it just a different one every week

or smth

[drifting nova]

ball suck

[jolly delta]

dont remember

[drifting nova]

prob the interrupt one

[jolly delta]

on god

BRO I CANT SEE SHIT

STOP SPAWNING BALLS

[drifting nova]

its so zzz

just remove the timer at this point

[jolly delta]

[drifting nova]

the fun parts of m+ are no longer

m+ peaked in bfa anyway

[lucid olive]

changes weekly until 12s

and then 12s are no affixes but shit does more dam

[drifting nova]

so its even less fun post 12

outstanding

[lucid olive]

theres 3 other affixes with the ball one

[drifting nova]

shatter balls

thta cast

[lucid olive]

theres a dispel one, there one that spawns an add you have to prio and theres one that spawns tons of orbs you need to CC

last one is the worst one imo

cause you have to use incap roar and typhoon to clear the orbs then someone gets shot by a mob cause nobody had stops

[drifting nova]

hell no

just bring a warrior

with shockwave

[junior thicket]

who wins the race if liquid kills crown and echo kills midnight falls

[lucid olive]

echo

[drifting nova]

echo

[lucid olive]

nobody cares about voidspire

slopraid

[drifting nova]

I get what they are trying to do

but it doesnt work for more than 1 reason

it giga fucks rwf

and with it being so undertuned

even casuals like me are done by friday

yet not..done

the alleria droptable is slop tier

thats for sure

[junior thicket]

yup

troll drops

didnt even bother clearing it hc (not because i couldnt ) (actually because i couldnt)

[drifting nova]

is quel going to have higher ilvl than cosmos

[junior thicket]

think crowns dead before echo wakes up

[drifting nova]

saw 2 diff posts that the layout is dragonsoul

but the pacing of bosses is sepulchur

imagine if the jailer was staggered

you end the week on anduin

[junior thicket]

gamz what do you mean by cdslop

can i read anywhere about it

dropped boomie for sub this season

[lucid olive]

cooldownslop

too many of em

and theyre all dogshit

[jolly delta]

ye so its the same as tww

kk

[lucid olive]

ye

2 charges of Eclipse and 2 charges of CA but using one overwrites the other one

and one is 2 minute and other is 30 second recharge...

[junior thicket]

ah

[lucid olive]

there that name should get the same message across

[jolly delta]

and then foe that doesnt work with cotd

[junior thicket]

just go 2x wrath bruh

kek

[jolly delta]

cdslop was better

[lucid olive]

wrathmaxing

[jolly delta]

3rd time hitting enrage on alleria

[lucid olive]

eclipsemogging

[jolly delta]

crazy

im too old for this

[lucid olive]

crazy?

[jolly delta]

to be clear, normal

[lucid olive]

i was crazy once

[jolly delta]

[junior thicket]

aura

yall gonna hate me but the main reason i dropped boomie was the eclipse change xd

[drifting nova]

not shocked

its bad

or rather

it brings no upsides

[junior thicket]

just let me double wrath and cancel aura

[drifting nova]

its neutral at best

[dull dust]

is gamz a zoomer

[drifting nova]

yeah ,fast af

[junior thicket]

i swear when beta was around every1 said its better

[drifting nova]

as I said a few weeks ago, the people that play X class regardless of change will play the class anyway

the fence sitters (the you or even I might swap)

and the eclipse change isnt an outright benefit

[jolly delta]

wym fence sitters

[drifting nova]

if you ask people with bmws if they like bmws

[jolly delta]

i see you in this discord every fucking season kekkers

[drifting nova]

you'l get a high % of yes

[jolly delta]

dont tell me about no fence

[junior thicket]

i drive f36

LOL

[drifting nova]

yeah like ask 100 f36 owners

most will say they like it

[junior thicket]

i love it

[drifting nova]

regardless of the objectivity

[dull dust]

no car talk in my nerd game chat pls

[drifting nova]

I dont even drive

but f36 sounds like a plane

[junior thicket]

xD

[drifting nova]

I mostly alternate between war and druid smh

nerub was war

[junior thicket]

sub is so much fun rn

[drifting nova]

itd been a while since I played druid as a main

so thought it was time

[jolly delta]

azjol nerub

[drifting nova]

was going to say we did heroic together

but that wasnt you

[junior thicket]

bro went from bad to worse

[drifting nova]

yeah, my very first char hasnt seen real play in years

paladin

[junior thicket]

shouldve mained mage

[lucid olive]

more instant casts in raid = good

[junior thicket]

always meta

[drifting nova]

perspective innit, for whom

[honest musk]

Does anybody even play pvp anymore?

[lucid olive]

also easier to balance starfire and wrath dmg without the cast time tax from 2 Starfires

[junior thicket]

the most fun i had with boomie was in last seasons raid with the kotg tier set, playing around the fading dryad window made me feel like theres some sort of skill ceiling to the class

[honest musk]

Which talent makes eclipse blue only?

[lucid olive]

until you realize the cap for the dryad dmg was ridiculously easy to hit..

[drifting nova]

I still look at apex talents and I'm like "great they just moved ec to apex"

hero talents need help

apex talents need jesus

[lucid olive]

i like the apex talents

but i mostly like astral smolder

[drifting nova]

ok but half of the apex talent

is just old ec

[lucid olive]

i think the solar and lunar bolts should not be guaranteed crits

[drifting nova]

and ec lost it

[lucid olive]

that way they can buff the base dmg and when they crit they actually do something

[drifting nova]

the bolts are such an afterthought

[lucid olive]

also having a guaranteed crit be the first thing that hits in BOAT is backwards

[normal pilot]

thye just need to convert crit to crit multi

[drifting nova]

I might hate heroic strike on my war but atleast it HITS

multistrike when

idk what the paladin apex does, not 90 yet

[delicate perch]

LMFAO

That’s a wild Easter egg

It’s too late to delete this but you should probably delete it anyway

[lucid olive]

ew

[drifting nova]

40l of water just for that

[lucid olive]

would be crazy if thyme hit him with a 1hr timeout now..

[drifting nova]

[junior thicket]

hi

[delicate perch]

Hi :3

[stoic fog]

For dragons raid fight, do we use starfall instead of surge ?

[lucid olive]

Only when the adds are up

[stoic fog]

kk

trhx

[minor condor]

starlord supposed to reset upon entering every eclipse now?

[midnight bough]

this means I have to do 4 more of these things to get the free hero piece?

[lucid olive]

Yes

And lasts 20 seconds

[minor condor]

didnt notice tbh before today

[lucid olive]

And stacking it actually just means you've spent your 3 apex talent spenders

[drifting nova]

4 hards ye

[lucid olive]

So if you're tracking one buff you don't have to track the other

[midnight bough]

bleh i dont like them

[minor condor]

trruee tbh

[midnight bough]

ty

[drifting nova]

starlord could be a non eclipse buff

and be less per

but stack higher

[lucid olive]

You can stack it outside of Eclipse

[drifting nova]

but it ends wiht it

[lucid olive]

Yeah

What do you think about the elune's challenge talent

[drifting nova]

it should be completely untied to eclipse

idk waht that is

you think I read talents

I click cool icons

art++

[lucid olive]

Choice node with dreamstate

[drifting nova]

no wonder I've never heard of it

[lucid olive]

Right of shrooms

[minor condor]

havnt tried it

have u?

[drifting nova]

ok but elunes challenge was just a passive last xpac

to facilitate eclipse rotating

[lucid olive]

I think it's a bad buff

[normal pilot]

it's ferals fault

dev made chomp, fell in love with low resource trigger, brought it over to elune's challenge

[drifting nova]

still very much think alot of classes have talent bloat

[lucid olive]

I remember a bug in raid testing where it procced at like 60AP as well but I could never replicate it

[drifting nova]

wait I dont even think I have ng in any build

[lucid olive]

Yeah it's not very good when you're not chaining eclipses

It should probably do damage again

[quiet drift]

Lets not add any Filler damage nodes

[drifting nova]

you could cut like 5 or 6 talents

entirely

ones that are never taken

[lucid olive]

You're right mb

[drifting nova]

natures balance should just be a passive

[lucid olive]

But what about replacing Umbral Embrace with the VOTI 2set

Is that a spender talent or a builder talent

[drifting nova]

atleast make it empower the eclipses

to a giga version

[lucid olive]

Only good thing about that talent is the icon

[drifting nova]

a small % chance to turbocharge an eclipse

[lucid olive]

I think CA/Incarn should extend your current Eclipse instead of cutting it short

[drifting nova]

the default tracker doesnt track multiple instances of something

like eclipse

[lucid olive]

So if you go Solar -> CA then Solar would have 15+15 duration and Lunar would have 15

[drifting nova]

have to keep looking up at buffs to figure out how long I have left

[jolly delta]

is this the easiest tier in ages or

[drifting nova]

yes

[lucid olive]

And if you proceed Total Eclipse you'd have 15+15 on both

[drifting nova]

everything is undertuned

[jolly delta]

what was it, legion S1?

[lucid olive]

No you didn't play Undermine

[drifting nova]

nightmare was like 15hours no?

[jolly delta]

that's why I'm asking

[lucid olive]

Yeee

[jolly delta]

was undermine also this bad?

[lucid olive]

Undermine top tier raid

But a bit too easy

[jolly delta]

No I mean

In terms of difficulty

[lucid olive]

Yeah there wasn't like turbo 300 pull bosses

[drifting nova]

I cant wait to do stratholme next xpac

[lucid olive]

It didn't take that long

But the tier got hard carried by the really cool setting imo

[jolly delta]

ok but here literally every boss is like 3 pulls

[lucid olive]

Nah

[drifting nova]

think they mightve forgotten how to balance heroic week idk

[lucid olive]

It's only heroic week this tier anyway

Back to simultaneous release on next seasons

[drifting nova]

can they not know

and stick to one

[jolly delta]

wym nah, only vanguard and crown have been slightly challenging for rwf

[lucid olive]

Also probably back to not being able to craft 2hander until week 2 of mythic raid

Yeah this race is fucked cause there's a staggered release

[drifting nova]

the other side of that coin is the first 6/8 bosses in a raid normally are pushovers

the 2 march bosses are the "final" ones

[lucid olive]

Mfer they split what is essentially a 4th boss level difficulty

[jolly delta]

yes but are they

[drifting nova]

this tier? yes

[lucid olive]

Also they nuked add-ons so fights need to make sense or whatever

[jolly delta]

like are they going to be tuned accordingly or are they gonna be somewhere in between

[lucid olive]

I think it's fine except for the UI being fucked

Too many dispel mechanics

They nuked healer CDs so now every healer mechanic is a dispel..

[jolly delta]

I think only thing they managed was to make fights slightly boring

[drifting nova]

you'd hope so given the info this week

is march the same ilvl or higher

[lucid olive]

I think the fights are cool

[jolly delta]

I fall asleep everytime I do chimera

[lucid olive]

But might be because I think this version of the spec is fun

[jolly delta]

kill adds, kill boss, kill adds, kill boss, kill adds (not boss cause he's flying around)

[dense steeple]

freeloboots

[jolly delta]

I haven't really done HC void so maybe that's different

void is fine, crown is cool

but I do think that the mechanics are incredibly simplistic

[drifting nova]

closer to me than mythic, the fall only gets faster

watching liquid have like 90% of the old was is just why

blizzard just likes doing wildly unpopular things

a glutton for pain

[jolly delta]

Also

Just a random thought that I've been having

I know it's absolutely meaningless because it's first boss whatever

But every time I see the void balls on averzian

The ones that spawn in a spiral

[drifting nova]

aver who

[jolly delta]

I can't help but think that it's the most dumb shit I've ever seen

Everyone's stacked on the boss anyways and they spawn around the group

Literally never hitting anyone

Performative ahhh mechanic

[jolly delta]

First boss

[fair pasture]

ty

[dense steeple]

true

[jovial bronze]

this is what I use

#showtooltip
/use Celestial Alignment
/use [mod,noknown:33786]13
/use [mod]14
/use [mod:cmd]Fleeting Light's Potential
/use [mod:cmd]Light's Potential

• <key>: celestial Alignment + trees (if available) at cursor
• shift+<key>: trinket 1, if on cooldown, use trinket 2 (if cyclone is talented, it will NOT use top trinket)
• cmd+<key>: use fleeting combat potion, if not available, use regular

edit: removed /use [@cursor]Force of Nature at line 2. See discussion below

[leaden seal]

how many boss kills before I get tier

[fair pasture]

: O

[lucid olive]

Wtf is that

Why are you using treants and ca in same button

[jovial bronze]

Why not?

[lofty depot]

please refrain from suggesting things

i have cancer now

[lucid olive]

You want to use Treants and then press CA at the end of the global

Using them together loses a GCD's worth of Balance of All Things for example

Also you should [@cursor] on CA in case you ever talent Orbital Strike

[fossil otter]

Is it important u "aim" ur treants well

[dense steeple]

it took us 4 sets of normal splits and 2 sets of heroic clears for me to get one

[fossil otter]

I got warbound token drop on my lock alt for leather tier >=]

[lucid olive]

Not rly as long as they still Moonfire, their auto attacks don't really do much

If you wanna be lazy you could [@player] macro it

And they spawn on top of you

[jovial bronze]

I don't post here often. What does this now refer to?
Someone asked for a CA macro, so I shared what I have.

[jolly delta]

Hey in TWW you screamed at me for even thinking about it

[lucid olive]

I changed..

[jolly delta]

He was being slightly ironic and over the top

But

[drifting nova]

I player macro it

me smort

[lofty depot]

https://klipy.com/gifs/lebron-james-lebron-27

[dense steeple]

Any big brainers know can i use something like liquid reminders?

[jolly delta]

Rather than giving everyone what they ask it's also better to stop and say it's a bad idea

[jolly delta]

No you can dbm/bigwigs

That's about it

[drifting nova]

are you liquid

[lucid olive]

I had an issue when I was hugging the wall on Vorasius and my camera was lined up from above the wall and my Treants wouldn't drop cause I was LOS

[drifting nova]

or viscous

[jolly delta]

Ye

Same

Both on balance and mage

Those walls are just fucked

[jovial bronze]

@lucid olive , can I DM you?

[lucid olive]

Prefer not to

But I'm not gonna stop you

[fossil otter]

I was rawdogging treants no @cursor macro and the green circle to drop em off was like 50 meters in the air standing next to vorasius wall

[jovial bronze]

Could you please ellaborate on the GCD bit. I'm not sure I follow.

[drifting nova]

like an onion

[jolly delta]

If you press CA + treants you start CA

And then spend 1gcd casting treants

And doing no damage

And wasting all the benefits that CA gives

[lucid olive]

When you use Force of Nature you have a 1.5s window (scaling with haste) where you can't use any other spell

[jolly delta]

That's like a 5% dps loss on every boat window for example

[jovial bronze]

But treant buff is 12 sec, CA is 15. To make most of dream surge and per treant bonus, I have them in one button. I'm not sure doing it the other way around + another keys stroke does anything beneficial :/

[lucid olive]

The global cooldown and stuff

Treant buff is 10 sec

You just wait until the global cooldown is almost over and then press CA right as you use Starfall or Starsurge

[stone ledge]

I miss frac so much

[dense steeple]

i just want an addon that lets me track my own timings

[jovial bronze]

I see what you mean. I'll see if it works for me Thanks!

[jolly delta]

No wait I'm stupid

It's 30% of boat

Even worse

That's insane tbh

[analog moat]

Is aln'hara pikestaff the myth staff we're supposed to craft?

[jolly delta]

No the cane

[ornate girder]

no

cane

[analog moat]

I'm looking at top gear on raidbots and it's not an option.

Isn't the cane a 1h though?

[jolly delta]

Because it's agi no?

[analog moat]

Oh.

[ornate girder]

pikestaff is agi

[lucid olive]

Force rerolled fearl

At least we didn't have the icyveins incident this tier from any of the guides with recommending agi staff

[jolly delta]

Did the math and macroing them together loses you 27.7% of the value of balance of all things

[analog moat]

Phew, almost amde the wrong thing.

[jolly delta]

So yeah, absolutely beneficial

[granite moat]

guys

i did a macro to transform to bear and use regenaration after but i have a question

does frenzied regen drops if i insta back to moonkin?

[fossil otter]

Ye

[jolly delta]

yes

[jovial bronze]

yes

[fossil otter]

Healing goes away if u swap out

[granite moat]

so i should swap prior to damage and pop it to make max use

got it

[jolly delta]

not sure what this means

but

you should go bear before the damage hits regardless

[granite moat]

on high keys with really nasty mechanics, yea

[jolly delta]

sure, where else

[granite moat]

what i mean is i cant insta swap to moonkin if i want to use the regen

[jolly delta]

this is saying something else but sure

[jolly delta]

this is correct

[granite moat]

sorry my grammar sucks

after making some modifications i managed to pull 75-80k overall '-' 0 pieces 263 staff

maybe i can do better next week

[delicate perch]

Maybe

[fossil otter]

U got this bro!

[analog moat]

Mast/haste for staff secondaries?

[fossil otter]

They will tell u to sim but yes generally that seems to be what most get

[wintry widget]

are we taking elune or kotg in raid

[jolly delta]

kotg

[wintry widget]

figured

i am sufering in prog with no tier

[jolly delta]

Unlucky

But with 2 cata charges this week

It's pretty tragic not having tier...

1 from vault, 2 cata

Surely you can drop one...

[wintry widget]

i got 0 in vault and im waiting on my drop from dreamrift to hit my mail

im crine

[jolly delta]

gg try achieving better loot next time

[wintry widget]

lmfao

[mellow edge]

Do you guys take Starweaver or Rattle of the stars for aoe elune for mythics.

[analog moat]

I see most people favor rattle.

[jolly delta]

weaver more fun

and you should always be playing to have fun!!

[granite moat]

got zero from vault saw 4 druid pieces drop and lost all against 3 people

i would tap into 90k dps with pieces only even playing bad

[dense steeple]

i played imperator so bad

[exotic perch]

lol this phase 2 of alleria looks so much easier then heroic

[uncut roost]

Grats Man

[lofty depot]

that dwilkz guy is a fuggn padder man

[dull dust]

that fight is pure padders

need me warcraft logs to invalidate everyone

[lofty depot]

mmhm mmhm

LOOK AT THIS RAT

[lucid olive]

"damage done to adds that don't die on top of big adds is filtered out"

Kill every moonkin log lmfao

[lofty depot]

this trinket bangs

[dull dust]

[lofty depot]

jsut wait til we do sales

the resets are gonna go insane

[dull dust]

can u give me a discount

[lofty depot]

hmm

im not incharge of that

also.... need to sell keys

10s going for like 1milly

what the hell we doing

[dull dust]

wtf

10s are so freee

lock in arctic

[dense steeple]

arctic i need you to privately roast me

when you get the time

[lofty depot]

ope

theyre doing to700

[dull dust]

publicly roast them

[dense steeple]

stfu mage

[lofty depot]

uhh maybe soon

[dense steeple]

🙂

[dull dust]

or dm me it

and ill do it

https://tenor.com/view/boat-kid-aura-farming-pacu-jalur-indonesia-boat-race-aura-farming-kid-gif-13961136228978115920

[dense steeple]

i think i was just playing too defensively

but ya boy did not perform well on the kill

[nimble tangle]

Heroic cosmos? I was just memeing there

My assignment is: live and do mech correctly

[dense steeple]

IMP

[drifting nova]

you play mage

[dull dust]

and

[drifting nova]

https://tenor.com/view/tc-johnny-magnum-pi-gif-3360418579545052852

[pliant quiver]

Just got done with Heroic Crown, what would be a good Starlord Uptime that I should be looking to hit? I was at 72% active, 53% max stacks uptime and 1.9 avgstacks.

Presumably I would want my max stacks of 53% closer to the first % and the avg stcks much closer to 3. And just thinking through it I am probably not pooling enough asp to jump to 3 right away.

[lofty depot]

really dont have a guage right now

havent been looking tho

uhh u can post log and i can see

@sour rampart u might beat me on the sole reason that ive gotten lucky as fuck

and i wouldj ust be slamming keys to slame keys rather than need stuff

if i slam alt, does that count

[pliant quiver]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/7waPxFk2L3HN6Xt8?fight=last&type=damage-done&source=26

[dawn hemlock]

Is there a certain way I should be simming this tier? Dreamgrove website says not much changes, and that I could just sim 1 target 5 min, but im doing 7 mins sims 1 target. But I feel like it might be skewed. I just wanted a confirmation for most of the tier.

[lucid olive]

I wouldn't worry too much about Starlord uptime specifically, but you seem to have the gist down in your own breakdown that you should have resources to send all 3 spenders instantly when you enter Eclipse

[lofty depot]

u sim 1t 5m and make some decisions

[lucid olive]

If you end up clipping Starlord early by entering a new Eclipse you're wasting uptime, but it's still the right thing to do sometimes, like on add spawns etc

[lofty depot]

most of ur starlords look fine

[dawn hemlock]

Ok, just wanted to be sure! Thanks very much

[lofty depot]

theres definately some improvement tho

[dull dust]

starlord stats

[lucid olive]

The main thing is just to enter Eclipse on lots of resources and exiting with close to no resources before building up again

Shame that building up is like 20 casts of Wrath

[abstract parrot]

where do you guys stand during crown of the cosmos?

im having trouble with droplet aggro

[dull dust]

in the center so i can pad

[lucid olive]

On the edge between the add I'm killing and the add we're killing next

[abstract parrot]

yeah see i do that and i pull aggro on the droplets and got yelled at for it

[lucid olive]

If I get aggro on droplet it comes from the middle so I just kite it towards either tank

[pliant quiver]

So as our eclipse is running out you are want to dump all asp? I have been starting to pool with ~5ish seconds left so that i can go straight into another eclipse/incarn

[dull dust]

wouldnt get agro if u were a mage