balance

[maiden pasture]

We did 2 splits but didn't split aleria, was cozy tbh got it all done in our normal 2 days of raiding

Efficient and no overtime

[lucid olive]

yeah i mean, you got 1800wr on Dimensius you surely shouldn't have a problem being in the roster..

[vagrant sequoia]

I skipped that season

I made the mistake of picking classic mop

[lucid olive]

unfortunate

i'm just assuming the general level of skill of your guild based on the rank

[maiden pasture]

Think the point is the guild is at a wr to not struggle for a spot because of your spec choice, play well enough and you will be on the roster

[lucid olive]

yeah that

[vagrant sequoia]

We're a 2x 3h night guild

[lucid olive]

so is maya

[vagrant sequoia]

So some of the people are absolute hog crankers

[ornate girder]

2x 3hr is bis

[lucid olive]

so is maya

[ornate girder]

we are that too

[lucid olive]

or well, 2x 3:30h i guess

[civic junco]

If only there was someone who would pony up and rebuild a certain API from scratch

[maiden pasture]

2x 3:30h with a bunch of hog crankers

[ornate girder]

weekend guild tho and that brings some trouble because ppl have lives

[lucid olive]

yeah imagine if someone did..

and then get lengthy feedback from my GM when you post it on reddit

[vivid quiver]

yea idk if i wanna open early incase that duplicate items happens again

[civic junco]

I am, right now, impersonating Dobby the house elf

Just reeeeaalllly given it the business

[vagrant sequoia]

Yeah, taking the day off on maintenance day was not the play, I can't help myself from wanting to play rn

[lofty depot]

Generally the play is Thursday Friday for me

[maiden pasture]

I just clocked out, I'm off work for 2 weeks

[lofty depot]

Holy

[pseudo spade]

on dragons am i primarily starfalling? or surge my mt

[vagrant sequoia]

surge

how int would it be to take kotg into M+ this week?

[lofty depot]

Surge both, mmhm

[lucid olive]

Starsurge but randomly swap your target so you keep up Stellar Amplification on both

[lucid olive]

both hero trees are fine

[civic junco]

Well, the real answer is that on Dragons it depends on your talents.

You press starfall if you go Rattle the Stars: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/HQ1qRdWfJm2g8h7B?fight=49&type=summary&source=255

You press starsurge (and free starfalls) on dragons, and then starfall before / during orb spawn if you go Starweaver: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/YhtPvaQzZCfbnDdc?fight=30&type=casts&source=2

[vagrant sequoia]

Because I feel like elune feels worse than peeing on your own leg in the shower

[quiet drift]

[lucid olive]

you still surge with rattle

i assume you nicked that log from the leaderboards

[civic junco]

I did

[nimble tangle]

I did ST rotation on duo dragons, and my damage is dead asf

[lucid olive]

where the guy does this on exact timer the orbs spawn

[civic junco]

You should've seen the one I pulled yesterday

[lucid olive]

with Meteor Storm as well

what a chad

@quiet drift thoughts on orbital striking the voidorbs

[civic junco]

Oh, you did see it. This one though for anyone curious

[quiet drift]

I have not talented that since week 1 of DF

[lucid olive]

i'm gonna launch a lazer thru the entire arena and slam Starfall with Meteor Storm next time..

[vagrant sequoia]

Is there any builds where I can just spam instant cast spells?

[quiet drift]

aura

[civic junco]

POG

[lucid olive]

beast mastery

[quiet drift]

Hopefully they stay alive longer than 5s on mythic

deathbeam

[vagrant sequoia]

My guild already has 2 hunters 🙁

[round field]

Ok frost mage closest second

Or any melee

[vagrant sequoia]

My multiple attempts to return to UH has been denied and at this point I'm too deep in the boomy soup to stop slurping

[kindred token]

Anyone knows why he does wrath after solar eclipse? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/WvLMx6HAnpZqR3GC?fight=4&type=casts&source=23&view=timeline

[dense steeple]

howd they slam that like that?

[lofty depot]

He doesn't have asp prob

[pallid bay]

lets not cope this early

[civic junco]

Hes consuming the free insta wrath, then building to make sure he has full AP for his real CDs. This also lets him ride the shooting stars proc that comes with the first 5 or so seconds of entering an eclipse.

[quiet drift]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1313637366682095677/1359517344317177947/speed.gif

[pallid bay]

did you guys know

opener is fake

[kindred token]

Thank you! 💜

[civic junco]

Real. CDs are for add spawns

[pallid bay]

completely made up

[quiet drift]

Just press the buttons that feel the best

#midnightway

[lofty depot]

It's also incorrect grr, didn't spend all ascendent procs

[pallid bay]

whats even current APL opener

wrath 20s?

[vagrant sequoia]

Actually, I did notice on lorrgs that a lot of the top parses are just full-sending incarn on pull, I recognize they're just top parses since they have 10 ilvls on the most of us, but what's the genuine benefit of doing the opener other than getting eclipse on CD?

[lofty depot]

Nah, spend ascendent, build to 50, Sunfire foe trees slam

[lofty depot]

There's not

And they likely just vibing

[civic junco]

It is also actively bad to send eclipse before CA in opener on Salhadar because you mess up your timings for the amp.

[vagrant sequoia]

Is fury of elune snapshottable or is it dynamic?

[lofty depot]

Not true

[ornate girder]

mine came up at the end of damage amp every time

[lofty depot]

U can send it, dump asp and then send ca

[lucid olive]

everything is made up..

[ornate girder]

on 1min convoke

[pallid bay]

u're made up

[lofty depot]

U just don't build before ca

[vagrant sequoia]

^

Proof you can do it (these are my normal logs, don't read too much into them):
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/CwRnvDA8Pd4Ygpj6?fight=13&type=casts&source=4&start=3606750&end=3630135

[vale pebble]

dynamic

[vagrant sequoia]

Okay, so is the main value of the opener just that you get a free eclipse empowered starsurge that you want to send for the debuff?

[lofty depot]

Wtf is that ca

[vagrant sequoia]

I SAID DON'T READ INTO IT!

[vale pebble]

opener is made up

[civic junco]

lmao

[lofty depot]

I'm reading into it

[quiet drift]

Isekai opener

https://klipy.com/gifs/beatrice-beatrice-re-zero

[vale pebble]

@quiet drift we are back full circle to what we were doing on beta btw

classic or

[quiet drift]

Nothing ever changes o'clock

[vagrant sequoia]

If you want an actual answer, it's because I had the extra CA charge available and decided to send it at the start of the amp phase

[dense steeple]

what were you doing on beta?

[vale pebble]

he doesnt dont worry

[vale pebble]

dn

[lofty depot]

Cuz u didn't use said CA at 1m silly

[dense steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/wheeze-laugh-gif-14359545

[vale pebble]

https://cdn.7tv.app/emote/01JXN9570E3YHMW8HJN3Y4NA1T/4x.gif

[civic junco]

I sent eclipse opener on normal and this ended up being my damage amp. I had to improvise, and my Convoke juuuust barely finished on time. Was very sloppy. https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/HBLb48qp6A3zgfVX?fight=15&type=casts&source=2&view=timeline

[royal zenith]

can't wait to watch mythic splits

[lofty depot]

Nice CA after trees?

[royal zenith]

na up yet

[civic junco]

It was truly hideous. I didnt even CA. I rode the Eclipse

[lofty depot]

And yes... U'll get convoke at the tail end of the amp

But u will get it

[royal zenith]

you would be a feature in your own video content

this is gruesome

[civic junco]

I would but JUST to roast myself

[vagrant sequoia]

I think the play is you:

• Pre-cast wrath
• Dots
• Eclipse
• Starsurge dump
• Trees + Fury
• ASP dump
• CA + Convoke

And that should be doable in the first 10s

[royal zenith]

that's about 9 gcd's

[lofty depot]

U do not aspdump prior to ca

[royal zenith]

so yea

maybe

[vagrant sequoia]

Oh right

[lofty depot]

What the helly

[vagrant sequoia]

dump after CA and then convoke

[lofty depot]

U don't trees then foe either

Can we locken

[dense steeple]

get him arctic

list it out

[civic junco]

GET HIS ASS

[dense steeple]

teach em

whats the proper opener

[vagrant sequoia]

Oh, so foe should go out before trees?

[dense steeple]

lets see it

[lucid olive]

there isnt one

[lofty depot]

Yes

[gentle scroll]

I love that post prune I now have more CDs to juggle

[lofty depot]

Saladbar gonna be weird

[lucid olive]

openers are fake

[ornate girder]

everything is vibe based

[lucid olive]

+1

[lofty depot]

No

[royal zenith]

wrong

[dense steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/bethenny-shut-the-fuck-up-gif-8151863

[kindred token]

lol

[lofty depot]

Wrong

[royal zenith]

vibes are fake

[lucid olive]

can't theorycraft this spec

[lofty depot]

Openers are life

[royal zenith]

yes you can

there's just 5 different outcomes and they are all right

and people can't handle that..

[vagrant sequoia]

Lowkey, the only reason my guild entertains having a boomy is because of their opener damage from TWW

[lucid olive]

real

there are like 10 different variations of builds you can play that are all close to equal

[royal zenith]

this boomkin version is starting to grow on me

[lucid olive]

and play slightly differently

[lofty depot]

Are u not a good vibe?

That's how I've been entertained as a boomkin player, mmhm mmhm

[vagrant sequoia]

I've learned to keep my mouth shut during raid to avoid angering the clashing personalities

[crisp moon]

Being the only druid for Mark helps

[lucid olive]

who is mark

[vagrant sequoia]

It just brings the overall vibe down

[lucid olive]

are you his handler

[daring gull]

mark nut

[dense steeple]

sounds like oyu need a new team

[ornate girder]

who tf is Mark

[lofty depot]

I actively talk and say what I think is wrong

[royal zenith]

If you don't know Mark, you're not a real one

[vagrant sequoia]

Nah, this team is chill

[royal zenith]

https://cdn.7tv.app/emote/01KJDT0R2BM7ANPNDYE600XB18/4x.avif

[vagrant sequoia]

It's just a habit I've built up from the past groups

[lofty depot]

Last night we weren't moving boss off of bait location and it was pissing me off

[dense steeple]

either theyre chill, or you keep your mouth shut to avoid bringing the vibe down

pick one

[lofty depot]

K say something, we move it. We kill few pulls later

Wow me smort

[royal zenith]

yeah sure, it was all you bro

that's why you're the raidleader

amirite

[lofty depot]

Mmhm mmhm

Mmhm mmhm

[royal zenith]

THE carry of the team

the ONE

[ornate girder]

[lofty depot]

I rez friend, we killed boss aswell

Me no rezz we no kill

[vagrant sequoia]

Is it part of being boomy to only brez friends?

[royal zenith]

yeah you also had your healers perma heal you cause you are a lil gup that cries about dying

but you forgot about that part

[lofty depot]

No my guild usually fast

[royal zenith]

it was ALL YOU

[lofty depot]

Nop, I'm tanky now

Sit lil gup

[royal zenith]

🥹

[daring gull]

its not easy being squishy feather brain 🙁

[vagrant sequoia]

frfr

[royal zenith]

I dunno, it's annoying when people think they are the one that need to say something

else things dont move forward

you're not special bro

[daring gull]

druids used to be a real class

[royal zenith]

it's a team effort

[daring gull]

back in my day we had the best ability symbiosis

we should bring it back

[royal zenith]

broken clock is at least right twice in a day

you know

[lofty depot]

Yea let's run head through brick wall while something as easy as a tank move should help

[royal zenith]

yeah but that's just prog

literally part of the process

[lofty depot]

Let's all stay quiet and be stupid

[royal zenith]

aka not special

just be practical

[daring gull]

ladies

we all play wow

we are all special

[royal zenith]

Im ragebaiting arctic

shush

no distraction!!

[lofty depot]

No gr

[royal zenith]

:)

[daring gull]

how come i press wrath but i no enter eclipse?

[royal zenith]

god didnt want you to grow

kept you in your place

[vagrant sequoia]

How come I no parse 99 from just pressing one button?

[daring gull]

why does god demand my skin be stolen from me

smdh

[vagrant sequoia]

god giveth, god taketh

[regal sonnet]

Hello, is the ring set from Nexus Point BIS for us ?

[vagrant sequoia]

Any fellow linux gamers btw?

[dense steeple]

not even close

the set is dogshit

[royal zenith]

but but but..

it has an effect..

[regal sonnet]

So u pref a ring with better stats over the set right ?

[royal zenith]

also you can just sim it

[dense steeple]

its not even the best ring set this tier

[royal zenith]

via topgear

if you want to know

[vagrant sequoia]

is the sim trustworthy on weekly APL yet?

[regal sonnet]

Just sim it thanks guys ❤️

[normal pilot]

why would you use specifically use weekly apl

[vagrant sequoia]

because it's default

[regal sonnet]

It's like a 0.1% for one and -0.1% for the other so xD

[daring gull]

whats a sim?

[vagrant sequoia]

It's a character in a game called sims that you can control

[daring gull]

oh sick

that sounds badass

[teal sphinx]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/121880895211831302/1290762589709533279/ezgif.com-added-text.gif

[dense steeple]

servers up

[vagrant sequoia]

Yeah, just be ready to fork out a bunch of money for expansions

[daring gull]

SERVERS UP AHHHHHH

[daring gull]

fuck that shit piracy is badass

[proper mica]

How is the loa trinket that has speed?

[dense steeple]

no shot am i touching that vault today

[teal sphinx]

open it bitch

[dense steeple]

[spice roost]

im stuck on logging in wtf

[daring gull]

frfr

[stone oasis]

Heyo, what are the thoughts on the crucible of erratic energies trinket? Sim bait? or actually good

[spice roost]

why would it be sim bait

[lofty depot]

Because they don't know why it's simming so high

So they assume it's wrong

[spice roost]

is it wrong though???

[dense steeple]

bro the devourers are BRAVE

they ALL just slammed open their vault

like that shit is broken more often than not, youre on a new class, on the first vault of a new expansion

[stone ledge]

Did it work

[dense steeple]

youre the MOST likely to get FUCKED

it appears to be fine

[stone ledge]

Pig

Pog

[dense steeple]

but the balls on those madlads

[lofty depot]

No, I'm saying they assume it's wrong

[spice roost]

oh

[proper mica]

Is tier pretty strong for balance?

[lofty depot]

Yes

[proper mica]

Ty

[dense steeple]

if the ddh are brave enough, i am too

[lofty depot]

Hero tier pog

[vagrant sequoia]

small indie company

[dense steeple]

will take later

[lofty depot]

What the

[dense steeple]

probably should just send huh

[viscid rampart]

Clear HC -> select ur tier piece

Since u have 2

[ebon pulsar]

we should catalyze anything to get 4 piece right away, right? since we unlock getting more charges?

[lofty depot]

4p ye

[proper mica]

Do we get an extra catalyst charge this week?

[lofty depot]

My guildie was testing it last week, I think it's capped to 2 charges per week from certain content

[lofty depot]

No

[lusty echo]

Do we sync trinket with convoc if we have the talent ?

[lofty depot]

The 1m talent?

U sync trinket to ca convoke yes

Which means ur likely pressing it every 2m

Unless u won't get another press in that timeframe

[nimble tangle]

i assume trinket is dead asf

so tier

[charred mango]

i have hero pieces on for both shoulders and legs, no tier yet at all, i don't raid til saturday

[lofty depot]

Prob

[nimble tangle]

what you mean prob

you supposed to know everything

[lofty depot]

Go sim it rat

[lofty depot]

That's a lot of days to not have tier

[fiery veldt]

wats our off piece?

[lofty depot]

But ur also, not sending cata charges on 3p so

[lofty depot]

Gloves

[fiery veldt]

ty

[charred mango]

what's my other option

[lofty depot]

But u take w.e. cuz of the cata charge atuff

[lofty depot]

Vaelgors

[nimble tangle]

why no 3p, i can get 2000 IO today

i have leg tier already

[charred mango]

oh i know the trinket is sick

i'm just not sure how to prioritize things

[lofty depot]

That's 3p

[charred mango]

which means i don't think i take anything today

[shy anvil]

alo am i missing something or how can they convoke at 1:54m at saladbar? do they get any cdr like some type of blessing? https://i.imgur.com/7oUyzpO.png

[lofty depot]

Unless u got 1 from raid already

[lofty depot]

Control

[charred mango]

control of the dream stacks precombat

[nimble tangle]

i mean i have leg already, if i pick tier piece from vault, then catalyst one tier

then 2K IO = one catalyst

so 4P right?

[shy anvil]

aight ty, i kenw i missed something

[lofty depot]

Ok then aure

[calm wave]

How did some of yous get the delve ?? Boss done?

[lofty depot]

Playing bear

[nimble tangle]

find a tank friend

[lofty depot]

Or with a friend

[nimble tangle]

don't you know people in wow?

[barren vector]

Hey! I’m looking to improve my DPS but I’m not sure what I’m doing wrong or if my stats are off. Could anyone help me out?

[lofty depot]

Stats are usually the last thing u worry about

Post a log

[calm wave]

Solo? I tired with a bear friend n hunter, but scaling was abit fucky

[royal zenith]

did it as tank with dps/heal friend

[calm wave]

Was thinking more solo, guess i load bear up then, what valeeera? Healer

[lofty depot]

Healer for the dispell

[calm wave]

Sweet thanks, will try solo bear then once i fail that will get a healer n tank

[royal zenith]

I dunno, solo resto is prob easiest

apart from the weird ass threat swaps

[lofty depot]

Maybe, u gotta press defensives on bear

[calm wave]

Thats what fucked us abit last night, my dyrad stole aggro of the tank

[royal zenith]

ye

it does that

or just instantly swaps to you out of nowhere

Ive tried it on bear, feral, resto, boomkin

in the end couldn't be assed

so just grouped up

if the interrupt matches beam cd it's also fine as balance

[nimble tangle]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/gPT79kVs28hNBS8BUFnDHe

sims told me, helmet and leg 2 pieces = 6.9% DPS

[royal zenith]

nice

[calm wave]

Yeah true... on boomie im sure i can do it, but interupt

[quiet drift]

swap some enchants and it might be 6.7%

[nimble tangle]

but still, higher than gaze

say no more, helmet

[barren vector]

I don't have any logs, but I can share my Raidbots sim instead. My ST damage isn't even close to my sim results.

[lucid olive]

[barren vector]

I'm new to this. How do I start logging my fights so I can share them?

[nimble tangle]

shall i upgrade heroic to 6/6?

[lofty depot]

A sim doesn't tell me why ur not doing damage

[nimble tangle]

because

no buff except MOTW

no potion no ruin no flask

naked run

i always do sims on pure naked settings

[lofty depot]

https://youtu.be/JO8dvi7TflE?si=IQZCGds9W0oHu3kt

[jolly delta]

do not support archon

let someone else log for you

I should write an alternative client. I wonder if they expose the APIs to upload logs

[barren vector]

I found some logs from a Normal raid that other people uploaded. Would those be helpful?

[lofty depot]

If they're of u playing the game yes

[jolly delta]

my mannnn

the goat

[modest wagon]

tier gloves are the worst statted tier piece for boomie no?

[jolly delta]

(yes, send them)

[barren vector]

xd

https://es.warcraftlogs.com/character/eu/zuljin/boogart?zone=46

[lofty depot]

Yes, but if it allows u to get 4p it doesn't matter cuz u get more cata charges this season

[modest wagon]

yea it's between gloves and shoulders, i simmed and everything just checking im not missing something, thnx

[jolly delta]

lanzamientos

[lofty depot]

So uh, ur suppose to trees before convoke cuz it gives a damage buff

[jolly delta]

https://tenor.com/view/let-me-be-clear-bart-school-say-the-line-bart-say-the-line-gif-4033914080036998615

[lofty depot]

I'll assume u didn't read a guide

[lofty depot]

Wrong opener

[jolly delta]

[barren vector]

I'm aware that I suck, I'm looking for solutions that don't involve quitting the game ^^

[lofty depot]

Reading the guide would be a startt

[quiet drift]

Does filling bags still stop you from getting a keystone

[lofty depot]

Cuz ur casting starfire in solar eclipse

[lofty depot]

Yes

From funny green name so surely isn't lying

[stone ledge]

Balance Druid in first 1st tik tac toe mythic. Time to pop off

[barren vector]

Could you recommend a guide, please? @lofty depot

[pulsar goblet]

can we kill nemesis ?? on boomy or

[stable frigate]

Any good resources for each boss in raid or m+
Back in the day there use to be a "boss guide" with some nice tips/tricks on each boss. It hasn't been there in wowhead for a while.

Any other place i can get similar info without checking twitch vods

[lofty depot]

Did u read the pin

[lucid olive]

Any NA people will 5 minutes to spare?

[lofty depot]

In game or

[lucid olive]

ye

[lofty depot]

Tragic

[lucid olive]

go test Nullaeus cast

if its still 35 seconds

[lofty depot]

There really hasnt been a need for that

We might update the dreamgrove.gg one eventually but that's likely after a few weeks

[royal zenith]

It's a nice extra

[maiden pasture]

nerf moonkin i think @lucid olive

looks too strong on voras

[royal zenith]

if you want to make a name* for yourself..

[jolly delta]

As arctic said, if boomie ends up being played and people can be bothered the one dg.gg will be updated, but you will have to wait anyways for people to prog the bosses first

[pulsar goblet]

any nemesis on boomkin is dead on ??

[lofty depot]

Go try to kick it twice and aee

Otherwise play bear

[pulsar goblet]

we actually can't that's why i ask

45s cd, and he cast 30/35s

[lofty depot]

Well it could've changed on reset

[jolly delta]

are you eu or na

if you're eu unforch

if you're na gamz was looking for volounteers

(and even more unforch)

[lofty depot]

I can't test for 2 hours

[jolly delta]

how about you test dn

[pulsar goblet]

eu

[jolly delta]

maybe wait until tomorrow

otherwise get into a group

otherwise go bear/healer

[pulsar goblet]

i will try something

na fuck other spec

[minor umbra]

is this trinket worth considering?

[jaunty blaze]

let the robot decide

[jolly delta]

No not really

(To both of you)

Sure feel free to sim it but i'd rather take a socket

[royal zenith]

Okay prove that you’re right

Expert

[glacial steeple]

Kiss

[jaunty blaze]

...

[sour gale]

Is whistle still proccing off dps for balance?

[jaunty blaze]

apparently ap generation procs it

[sour gale]

Interesting, ty

[rotund sedge]

I mean, you can change to proc to be mastery instead of crit. That's gotta be worth something?

[jaunty blaze]

well you can simply answer that by simming it

[jolly delta]

i have no idea what base profile this uses or what stats drum uses

[jaunty blaze]

simming it vs top gear

[jolly delta]

i just made some numbers up tbf

[jaunty blaze]

smh

[royal zenith]

sussy!!

[jolly delta]

deux wanna see the new simming website

[royal zenith]

ye

[jolly delta]

ok seen?

disappeared

[royal zenith]

looks good

[jaunty blaze]

what dis

[royal zenith]

secrets

[jolly delta]

advertising outside of #general is forbidden

[royal zenith]

tru..

[jaunty blaze]

is this vibecode your own apl the website

[royal zenith]

vibecode 💀

[jolly delta]

without the "vibe" part

[lofty depot]

Apl coded the website

[jaunty blaze]

[lofty depot]

Locken

[jolly delta]

but no ye its a thing im working on to make writing apl/simming easier

dont share it around cause it's not really ready

[jaunty blaze]

looks cool no clue about it but nice someone works on something like this

[lofty depot]

He's working on it so people like me can read

Mmhm mmmhm

[jaunty blaze]

dw

[jolly delta]

Unironically considering making a visual editor like Scratch

Your baby's first APL

[quiet drift]

You seen the classic sims?

[jaunty blaze]

[quiet drift]

Its kinda like that

[jolly delta]

Have you seen our EC sims?

Oh wait

[quiet drift]

We dont like about that...

[jolly delta]

I thought you were talking about the fact that they're brain-dead simple

[quiet drift]

ah nah

https://www.wowsims.com/mop/druid/balance/#

[jolly delta]

What is this

[royal zenith]

boomkins are back to ascending

a new age

[quiet drift]

I used to fuck around with it in Cata

made no sense in MoP

[jolly delta]

yo wtf they stole my idea

[quiet drift]

gg...

Shouldve patented it

[jolly delta]

no tbf mine is better

[clever vigil]

yo this spec sucks where buff

[jolly delta]

but it's crazy that there's nothing new left to create....

[royal zenith]

if you think you are actually unique with ideas... in this day n age..

[royal zenith]

real

[quiet drift]

You simply need to make it better

[jolly delta]

It is better

(I haven't really looked at the link you sent me)

[quiet drift]

So who cares if its new

[lofty depot]

U blast on vorrassuis or we.

[royal zenith]

arctic back to his glazing americans

[lofty depot]

Ass when others are mass aoeing on chimaerus

[royal zenith]

[stable frigate]

I dont mind waiting for people progging it. But does that mean that once ppl have killed it will be updated ?

[royal zenith]

might

[lofty depot]

If there's something that requires a write up maybe

[royal zenith]

It's kind of a big effort to write down what to do gcd by gcd

[lofty depot]

If not u can just ask when u get there

[stable frigate]

Might not a NEED but definitely wanted ? Who doesn't want cool tricks/ nice tips for certain dungeons or raid bosses ?

[lofty depot]

Things like wildchargng across platform should seem obvious

[royal zenith]

who doesnt want to get paid for work

amirite

[lofty depot]

Can travel form on platform

[jolly delta]

Lots of people wanting things not many people wanting to do them

[royal zenith]

(aka people are doing this for free, can only hope for the extra's)

[quartz void]

Where are all of the uncapped hero crests coming from this week?

[lucid olive]

bro plays convoke starweaver 😭

[lofty depot]

Got like 80 last week, how many more u want

[royal zenith]

I would too

as Tarisant would say

[quartz void]

Yeah where is it from

[royal zenith]

the vibes were immaculate

[quartz void]

I only got 20 uncapped I mean

[lofty depot]

?? Boss and delve quest iirc

[quartz void]

EU so "This week" still for me

[royal zenith]

this

[quartz void]

Which delve quest?

Did I miss it

[quiet drift]

I think the 3 Nightmare Preys gave uncapped hero

[royal zenith]

possibly

[quartz void]

I knew about the ? and ?? boss

[lofty depot]

The one from valeera prob

[royal zenith]

you got it from a dragon near the weekly quest

[lofty depot]

Or the weekly

[royal zenith]

for a housing quest

[lofty depot]

Can't remember er

[royal zenith]

Ill screenshot

[quartz void]

Were those uncapped?

[lucid olive]

yo can someone go check if ?? boss is possible now

[lofty depot]

The housing quest isnt uncapped

[lucid olive]

hellooooo north americans

[royal zenith]

this guy

[quartz void]

Yeah those weren't uncapped tho?

[lofty depot]

Shouldve been the weekly delve quest

[royal zenith]

unless

that's hero crests

[lofty depot]

The housing one gave an item for 20

[royal zenith]

?? gives 60 hero cresticles or

[lofty depot]

Ye

Then a delve quest gave 20

Think it was the weekly one from a guy under the tent

Or valeera

Can't remember

[quartz void]

This quest? (Ignore how bright it is it's my HDR)

[quiet drift]

https://klipy.com/gifs/star-trek-bright-light

[royal zenith]

[lucid olive]

but is the boss killable

who cares about the crests i wanna know if he still oneshots me before Beam is back up..

[quartz void]

Go tank made it easy apparently according to some people

[silk zealot]

I can attest he still does

[lofty depot]

Noooo that's not the weekly delve quest silly

[quartz void]

Not sure where I get that then

Been quite lazy this week

[lofty depot]

Idk, go do all the quests under the tent and for the delves

Surely it's 1 of them

[obsidian girder]

20hero crests are from weekly nightmare hunt quest

[lofty depot]

Ok or that

[quartz void]

Uncapped?

[obsidian girder]

yes

[lofty depot]

Some bullshit I did that's a quest that u likely should've done anyway

Are we not doing content?

[quartz void]

So I just got fucked by not being able to get nightmare then

Yeah skipped hunts first week

[clever vigil]

gamba convoke dopamine simulator

u would NOT understand

[quartz void]

So I guess I lose 20 uncapped crests

[lofty depot]

Skipping content?

U'll get it eventually just lose 20 crests rip

[quartz void]

Yeah skipped hunt sadly first week

[lucid olive]

you should look at how much Solstice uptime you're losing when you Eclipse right after the CA

Convoke gives like 7 seconds of uptime

Enteirng CA gives 6

every Starweaver/Cosmos proc is 3

Eclipse hard resets any previously stacked duration to 6

(it removes current duration and applies the 6 seconds from the Solstice talent)

[lofty depot]

Time to write apl for eclipsing at < 3

[lucid olive]

do <3

[lofty depot]

Too many characters

[lucid olive]

smh

[delicate perch]

eclipse at ❤️

[lucid olive]

https://youtu.be/lcOxhH8N3Bo?si=-rwKfsgQZN3fGIHX

[delicate perch]

how many pieces of tier are in my vault

[clever vigil]

[delicate perch]

banger song

[lofty depot]

2

But there champtrack gloves and shoulder

[quartz void]

1

[delicate perch]

thanks umbreon you were right

delve hero shoulders

[lofty depot]

Damnit

[quartz void]

Knew it

[delicate perch]

I did not have any champ choices

[sharp coral]

Are uncapped crests (delve 11 - ?? Boss - 3 nightmare preys) weekly ? Sounds like bs but Ive heard weird stuff

[jaunty blaze]

the crests from tier 11 delves you get weekly arent uncapped

preys aswell

?? boss is only once

[sharp coral]

Yeah that sounds more logical

[lusty echo]

For the dragons fight, we starfall mainly right ?

[lofty depot]

Think the nightmare one is weekly

Doubt the delve boss ?? Are

[sharp coral]

Yeah but I mean weekly and uncapped doesn't make sense

[jaunty blaze]

you get 4x5 myth crests per week from bountiful tier 11 delves

[lusty echo]

Still unclear for me if we starfall when we have 2 targets and we are keeper of the grove ?

(For the dragons bosses of the raid)

[jaunty blaze]

flip a coin and vibe it out

[fossil hemlock]

Starfall 3 targets

[jaunty blaze]

the best in theory is applying stellar amp on both by switching starsurges on them

just hitting one with starsurge is also more dam than starfall

[lusty echo]

So for the dragons boss, I star surge them by alternating ?

[jaunty blaze]

almost like i just said that

[fossil hemlock]

Ideally

[lusty echo]

And when do we starfall then ?

[fossil hemlock]

When adds spawn if they aren't nuked instantly, or if you have starweaver and get a proc from a starsurge

This is all on the compendium

[lusty echo]

Thanks

[lusty echo]

On compendium I see that we use AOE priority when we have 2+ targets

I understand that we do AOE rotation for the dragons then

[fossil hemlock]

Yeah I get that

It's the rest of the thing that's for 2+ targets

Or more likely Gamz just forgot to update it to +3 whenever they figured out you don't starfall until 3 targets

[lofty depot]

Compendium is wrong for now if it says Starfall 2

[royal zenith]

dragon boss is kind of a weird one anyway

it's probably just easier to starfall and target one boss, for learning the fight

but

[jaunty blaze]

oh no he said the thing

[royal zenith]

you have free will, use it

[quiet drift]

You will redot 2 times

https://tenor.com/view/professor-x-charles-xavier-multiverse-of-madness-x-men-thinking-gif-26270299

[royal zenith]

spooky gif

[quiet drift]

The thought is even spookier

[royal zenith]

[jaunty blaze]

[carmine vigil]

how do i play balance druid

[lofty depot]

Starfall spam.prob

Who r u kidding ur playing mm, silly

[quiet drift]

Q Trinket W Q R Flash

[lucid olive]

remember to have cursor on opposite side of wherever you want to kick

or something

[wide dawn]

What buff to track for free starfire on eclipse

[lofty depot]

Do u not remember u pressed it or not

Ascendent eclipse iirc

[lucid olive]

ascendant fires

[vital hound]

bartender and mplustimer addons are bugged to shit btw

[royal zenith]

not bartender

good thing NA is beta testing

🤝

[jaunty blaze]

rip

[lucid olive]

all action bar addons

[jaunty blaze]

surely they fix it until tmrw

[vital hound]

so cool

my bars disappeared when key started

[lucid olive]

this is from the elvui guys

thats what people get for using action bars instead of CDM

[jaunty blaze]

[minor anchor]

Elvui users unironically deserve this

[royal zenith]

I dunno, blame rwf

easier

they were all sounding so posh and proud of what they cooked up

burn it all down..

[jaunty blaze]

but they asked blizzard about it

surely

[stark meteor]

i tried elvui out again after swapping off gw2 and got so genuinely angry within the first 5 minutes of using it i just went back to default

[jaunty blaze]

upstanding citizens and all

[fiery veldt]

keeper or elune for keys?

[vital hound]

i love just making things up on the internet

[jaunty blaze]

both work play what you prefer

[fiery veldt]

i just starfire even for st in elunes right cause of that one perk?

[quiet drift]

yes

[royal zenith]

sezzz u??

[vital hound]

@lofty depot no craft this week aye

[lofty depot]

Recraft staff silly

[vital hound]

ya

but no

wrist craft

until nek week

[lofty depot]

U craft off tier

Not wrist

[vital hound]

[charred mango]

careful recrafting this week, saw someone say they sent a 259 to 272 weap recraft last week (why idk) and it ate their hero crests but stayed 259

[vital hound]

we gotta beta test for our EU bretheren

[round field]

most likely iq issue

[lofty depot]

"it ate their hero crests" that's cuz they put hero crests into the item

It didn't "eat it" they didn't listen

Rank 1 rekt

They can recraft that shit

But they wasted hero crests cuz theyre gonna mythic crest it this week

[glacial steeple]

Gottem

[charred mango]

well yeah but if it stayed 259 instead of 272 I don’t want it to stay 259 instead of 285

[lofty depot]

Someone crafted it and low rolled it

[fathom zealot]

How are we simming for this raid? 👀

[vital hound]

using the simulationcraft module

[lofty depot]

Can u be more specific

[vital hound]

its quite good

[fathom zealot]

Just doing a great vault sim and tryna figure out how I should sim it for this raid since 90% of the raid is multi target or add cleaves off boss

[lofty depot]

Sim 5t1m like normal

AOE sims are fake

[normal pilot]

multi target sims are still being developed so you don't really have a choice. take the single target choice or can go off vibes

maybe multi target'll be better later in the tier

[orchid yarrow]

hey guys, went to the training dummies in silvermoon to practice my single target but i'm damaging every dummy, do you know of any alternatives?

[lucid olive]

belameth

specifically here

[orchid yarrow]

thanks a lot! ❤️

[void jacinth]

ravec van dijk

[lucid olive]

ravec robben

[dense steeple]

looted hero final grade

should i still myth craft

[mighty sable]

can i ask, whats the point of total eclipse, wont you just continue casting the same spell. I mean like on aoe youll still prefer to cast starfire, and on single target wrath? If anyones got some insight on this, thanks.

[quaint wasp]

there isnt one

[drifting nova]

still dead

[wild dune]

cringe

[shrewd path]

i thought astral power double dipped so if both eclipses are active your spenders deal more dmg

[lucid olive]

yeah but i think you mean astral damage

[edgy quarry]

Hi guys ! How you doin ?

I was thinking to change a bit my talents on vanguards and play Orbit breaker, what do u think about it ?

[lucid olive]

orbit breaker is good

if the talent looks good to you then try it

[edgy quarry]

It looks like it! Since we're often fighting two targets and not three, and with the tier set, it seems really good! Especially with the synergy from Shooting Stars 🤷‍♂️

U are right I will try we'll see !

[lofty depot]

it wasnt procing exposure for a while

so was worse

[plucky valley]

no piece 10 spire that we timed with like 1:30 left

am i a gamur?

[edgy quarry]

And now, with the tier set and the number of Shooting Stars procs, do you think it's still the same?

[lucid olive]

yeah the talent is probably good now

[plucky valley]

is the compendium up to date now? am i able to trust it?

[lucid olive]

sure

[drifting nova]

[edgy quarry]

let's go tryyyy I will split again this week... i will see x)

thanks men !

[mighty sable]

so if i hit double eclipse then starfall & starsurge does more dmg than if only 1 eclipse procs? isint it only nature and arcane damage?

[royal zenith]

I cant

🥹

[lucid olive]

is robben your favorite footballer

[drifting nova]

wait you're not romanian? (also has no ads)

[royal zenith]

nah

[drifting nova]

koeman

[royal zenith]

if dutch it wouldve been Van Persie

[drifting nova]

always forget hes dutch idk why

like sure the van

[royal zenith]

cause he's been owning the english league since forever

or was..

all-time it would probably be bergkamp tho

[drifting nova]

so you're a gooner

[royal zenith]

nah

[drifting nova]

[royal zenith]

just prefer technical players

and typically they do join clubs like Arsenal

or Barcelona etc.

ANYWAY

[lucid olive]

my favorite dutch player is Edgar Davids

[delicate perch]

guys is boomkin back?

[vital hound]

@delicate perch energy check

https://tenor.com/sMCQLDfvljC.gif

[delicate perch]

picked up a soul watermelon ghost

[tiny tendon]

FEAST YOUR EYES ON THE GREAT VAULT

[edgy quarry]

American I need u ! How much to reach to 2k in M+ ? 🙂 key +7 or and 8 no ?

[vital hound]

wowee

[edgy quarry]

no tier set 😢

[fervent harbor]

I only completed delves and got teir legs. so that is rough

[tiny tendon]

I dunno how I roll turbo ass on week one vault that's wild

at least the helm is there to be a catalyze tier target

[delicate perch]

so good

[bright raven]

Guys, i'm new to Balance druid, started playing 1-2 weeks after Midnight launch. Can i post a link to a log here, and may i ask for your help? I'm struggling, don't see my errors, but i want to improve.

[delicate perch]

yes @lofty depot will get right on that

[bright raven]

Sorry, is that an inside joke i dont get? 😅 Is it allowed to post the link here?

[dense steeple]

both

a +8 gave me 287 points, if i did all 8 dungeons on 8 i would be at 2300 io

[round field]

There is no joke its a legit reply

[pseudo mango]

Vaelgors final stare (already have ribbon) or 2 set

[modest swift]

as a person struggeling with the changes to eclipse, is there a addon that makes it easier/smooth it a bit out? My main problem is that it is a seperate button now, and my muscle memory from Dragonflight is FIGHTING any prompts for the last month+ to get it into my rotation. I am trying to see the bright part of no longer being bound to MUST- keep up of dots thanks to the mastery changes. but the eclipse always feels awfull to use with its gcd. I really dont want to go into dooming sry if this sounds like it xD

[bright raven]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/GanfWK1FNRbTc8pd?fight=11&type=summary
Appreciate any help on this!

[dense steeple]

@lofty depot you heard the man get to work on that log

[jolly delta]

dots before cds!!!!

[lucid olive]

puzzle box is an agility trinket!!!

[jolly delta]

also that wtf

[normal pilot]

make sure you link it to all the ferals

[dense steeple]

this confuses me

thats good?

[lucid olive]

you should cast more

[jolly delta]

before!!! not during!!!

[dense steeple]

that is before!

[lucid olive]

make sure your dots are up!!

[jolly delta]

is fon not a cd?

[bright raven]

Yeah the starfire was acutally unusually bad on that pull, thats one of the very few things i noticed also

[dense steeple]

touche

[jolly delta]

anyways yeah first of all the trinket!!!
second of all

going afk from the keyboard doesnt help

its eclipse, not convoke

dont press treants if youre not going to do damage right after

[normal pilot]

too much downtime, too much cancels

[bright raven]

Can you please tell me where i can see that timeline of my casts?

[normal pilot]

this is bad too, along with your poor dot uptime makes me think you need to work on a better UI

[jolly delta]

"timeline" "casts"

[lucid olive]

Also you can go to https://www.wowanalyzer.com and put the log in there and get some statistics

[normal pilot]

as for gearing you can make some simple swaps like trinkets. box is an aglity trinket, and vessel is a bad trinket if you're not able to see the orbs

[bright raven]

So i'm not dismissing what you say, i take to to heart and thank you everyone. But at least to me, it feels like interrupts and so on happen because of boss mechanics, idk what else i should do, but to move and thus cancel a cast? Same with downtimes i think. I guess i need to learn to squeeze another skill in, when dodging something. But i dont see how that explains my abysmal DPS. Unless thats literally the reason why it's so low

[normal pilot]

you need to know ahead of time when mechanics are coming and prepare to move

[jolly delta]

Use instant casts that do not require you to stand still

[normal pilot]

you build up AP in preparation so you can surge while moving

[jolly delta]

That is literally why it's so low

(And the trinket)

[normal pilot]

you can't play balance as a reactive spec

[lofty depot]

WE DONT HAVE TIME TO LOOK AT LOGS

WERE GRINDING KEYS

[dense steeple]

same

[manic plume]

Speaking of - why are keys so easy

[bright raven]

:Sadge:

[normal pilot]

if you're the type to just wait for raid lead/etc. to call out stuff then you're often oging to be too late

you want to know things are coming before they're even called out

[bright raven]

Yeah i usually react when it's too late i think. like, when i see the dot on the ground, and not knowing "in 2 sec there WILL be a dot" and preparing

[pseudo merlin]

😎

[pseudo merlin]

who knows

[normal pilot]

yeah it's just how the spec is, which is why it's sometimes not hte best for new players or players coming from other classes that actually have movement skills

[lofty depot]

keeper in keys is badass

[pseudo merlin]

so how easy are 10s ameriboys

[bright raven]

Thank you very much for the help!

[pseudo merlin]

do you just rush your key to 10 and game it

or is it still a bit of a struggywuggy

[edgy quarry]

Okkkk thank you 😇

[lofty depot]

my guild is 3 chesting them

lol

[pseudo merlin]

good shit

[lucid olive]

that means you can at least time some 8s the first week

[pseudo merlin]

8 seems a little high

Ill try 4-5

[loud kettle]

our tank was getting destroyed in 10s

[lucid olive]

who was healing him

[loud kettle]

me (:

a lot

[lucid olive]

there you go

[loud kettle]

spamming that guy

[pseudo merlin]

yeah I see a connection there

[normal pilot]

did you tell him to take less damage

[keen warren]

in the vault, do i get champ vaelgors or get champ tier set piece?

[dense steeple]

both sound bad tbh

sim it

[pseudo merlin]

you only say that cuz he's feyenoord trainer smh

[pseudo merlin]

id slam tier so you can get 4 set asap and open up catalyst grinding

[fiery veldt]

dude devourer in keys is shitting on me

jesus

[dense steeple]

yes

[lusty echo]

Why should we always keep 1 charge of CA ? According to the compendium

[dense steeple]

blizzards new toy is good

as expected

[pseudo merlin]

are we doing the bit where we act surprised that the new thing is op

[royal zenith]

[inland pagoda]

Do you guys recommend the icy or wowhead guide

[lusty echo]

It says with use fon only if we have 2 charges of CA. And use CA only after using FoN. So we always keep 1 charge not used, why ?

[pseudo merlin]

neither

use compendium

[inland pagoda]

Compendium?

[pseudo merlin]

check pins

[keen warren]

Okay thanks, feel like I may never see the trinket again but I agree with that

[pseudo merlin]

you can sim and see how it matches up against hero track maxed soulcatcher/heart

since those are both farmable

[jolly delta]

does anyone know if

killing last boss of a m0

still counts for vault?

[pseudo merlin]

youre that down bad?

[jolly delta]

no i cba

[lusty echo]

The compendium says we use fon only if we have 2 charges of CA. And use CA only after using FoN. So we always keep 1 charge not used, why ?

[lucid olive]

thats not what it says

[jolly delta]

not what it says

[lucid olive]

it says "use treants if any of the following conditions is true:"

and then lists 2 lines

[jolly delta]

well

to be fair

he has a point

[lusty echo]

It doesn't change the result

[jolly delta]

No ok it does

Was too distracted by dungeon

[pseudo merlin]

it does say this

[jolly delta]

Eclipse has a higer prio

[lucid olive]

the higher prio is just when its on 2 charges

it probably needs updating it anyway nbd

[fervent harbor]

is balance druid more of a dungeon/raid spec. what i mean is in like open world i get rocked if stuff is wailing on me

[pseudo merlin]

balance has never been that good in open world

[lucid olive]

all casters are better in dungeons and raids tahn they are in open world

[pseudo merlin]

^

[lucid olive]

except for the ones that are dogshit in both i guess

[pseudo merlin]

if youre a warlock it probably doesnt matter

youre always good everywhere

but the others yeah

[lusty echo]

So I only use the 2nd charge of CA if I don't have 2 charges of eclipses right ?

[fervent harbor]

like you pick one of those wild herbs in Zul Aman and the things that spawn kill me in almost like 5 or 6 hits

i can get through it but F they hurt

[pseudo merlin]

thats pretty normal

but you have insta flight form and gathering in flight form so

[lofty depot]

have u considered herbing in bear

[fervent harbor]

I have I am just not a fan of jumping from spec to spec but i could i suppose

what is best for delves?

[lofty depot]

bear

[drifting nova]

another week no invisible

[pseudo merlin]

its been 15 years lil bro

give up

[drifting nova]

running violet hold, lord save me

and its the wrong one, wtf blizzard

[vital shard]

We go still elune for m+, or is kotg way to go for 10s?

[spice roost]

lets gooooo

[spice roost]

any luck with tier

[clever vigil]

twin .

[hollow mist]

big loot gz gamz ^-^

[lucid olive]

[lofty depot]

i got told to hold cuz sockey asjdfkjsahfjkasdhjkfsadl

[spice roost]

socky?

[lofty depot]

mmhm

[spice roost]

wait no 4set and instead a socket

[lofty depot]

and we got double cloth both chimaerus

super cool

[spice roost]

omg

[lofty depot]

idk

is fine

[spice roost]

id be tilted

[lofty depot]

no parses :/

ill get over it

[obtuse jungle]

4 set feels insane btw

[fiery veldt]

will it make me beat a devourer?

[static sluice]

If he is asleep

[lucid olive]

need to ddos him

[modest swift]

the devourerer?

[fiery veldt]

can u teach me gamz?

[pseudo merlin]

you want to learn gamz?

what does that even mean

[fiery veldt]

that too

[lofty depot]

if u play better ye

[modest swift]

when do we use Heart of the Wild in Raids? is it a pure survival button?

[signal meteor]

Loot wise are there any int weps off the first few mythic bosses? Or is it very likely just send craft on staff if it sims higher than two crafted embellishment pieces?

[lofty depot]

it doesnt do damage so yea

[lofty depot]

no, u craft staff

[modest swift]

i meant as in "do we ever use it as a off healer or are we just better of using it as a extra damage mitigation and then go back to just casting and blasting" sry sometimes my brain needs a min to catch up to my own question

[lofty depot]

sure

[signal meteor]

K cool ty

[ember dock]

I guess everyone is running elune now in m+? I like Elune but it always felt like significant less st dps...but I am a shitty boomie so maybe thats the issue 😄

[fossil otter]

Yall heard about the recraft bug where u lose crests but weapon stays 259

[pseudo merlin]

yes

thank you for beta testing, NA

there's also a duplicate slot loot bug that's been active for weeks and also applies to vault

[lofty depot]

im playing keeper

[jolly delta]

Yooo can't wait to drop a bow

[dense steeple]

we craftin myth weapon today right?

im not crazy?

[jolly delta]

not crazy

[dense steeple]

makin sure

[jolly delta]

maybe crazy but not cause of that!

[dense steeple]

tru

[cedar lark]

where do i find my bis?

[jolly delta]

www.raidbots.com

[cedar lark]

idk how to use that 💀

[molten yoke]

should i be using incarn for opener or eclipse in raid?

[jolly delta]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/how-to-use-raidbots-and-run-character-simulations-6050

[jolly delta]

eclipse

[molten yoke]

word

[cedar lark]

bless up thx!!

[jolly delta]

You use incarn after spending ascendant procs

[lofty depot]

kepeer actualyl sick on vanguard

[drifting nova]

heresy

liquid still doing splits wtf

[dense steeple]

[zealous loom]

Hello Guys!

Question: in raid i'm seeing top parses in which people are alternating between Incarn - eclipses when comboing Treants. Whats the priority in this case?
For example, the first burts goes treants > incarn.
The second burst goes eclipse > incarn

Why not use the second incarn charge?

I mean, you have two charges of incarn and eclipses. Whats the difference between one and another when pairing with treants?

[drifting nova]

a cooldown not on cooldown isnt recharging

and therefore wasting

probably

[unborn surge]

hi! after today's update i seem to have lost my astral power bar in the player resources section. any ideas why it might have disappeared? i use the standard blizz UI. it was there yesterday.... and today poof! gone. i can't see anything to track astral power lol

[lofty depot]

read the guide, it essentially its if u press trees and it will be back up with ca

first time that happens is at 3m tho

[grim crater]

just finished a +9 and boomy is killing it