balance

[charred fiber]

Should be fixed since today hotfix no ?

[dawn surge]

have u seen tettles

that guy is not roided

[drifting nova]

brother couldnt find piss of saron

[charred fiber]

Feral removed convoke bug from pin

[lucid olive]

@wicked shuttle confirm?

[proud bloom]

so i did a tier 11 delve, but no cracked keystone quest?

[dawn surge]

YO let me shit talk in peace wtf

[vital hound]

(it won't be)

[drifting nova]

tettles is doomed if he has to find sunken temple

[dawn surge]

tbf anyone who didnt play classic or vanilla is in the same boat

not just the directionally challenged

[vital shard]

@lucid olive starfire in ca/inc when we get the apex instant. i assume that we do that only in ca/inc window, otherwise in the window (solar -> wrath / lunar -> starfire)?

[dull dust]

he can start now that he has more free time

[dawn surge]

@wicked shuttle roid cycle when? ill coach u in the gym dw

[lucid olive]

ye only in ca incarn

[lucid olive]

ok 1 ping is enough buddy..

[tribal tapir]

whats the go-to spec for dungeons?

[lucid olive]

warlock

[vital hound]

in m0s feral blasts

[tribal tapir]

well, obviously i mean for boomie.

[dull dust]

resto so u can afk for most of it

[dawn surge]

but u pinged first u cant gatekeep a tettles ping

[dull dust]

@wicked shuttle

[lucid olive]

thats crazy

[dull dust]

@lucid olive

[lucid olive]

@lofty depot

[dawn surge]

@elder hedge

[tribal tapir]

huh

[dawn surge]

need a trusted adult rn

[lucid olive]

@dense steeple

[dawn surge]

[lunar haven]

where ping

[dawn surge]

side note, absolutely crazy that droptimizer is only able to do a SINGULAR DUNGEON at a time without forking over the cash

i cri

[dull dust]

who ping

[lunar haven]

you ping

[dull dust]

how ping

[dawn surge]

nine ping

[lunar haven]

@dull dust

that how

[dull dust]

[red nymph]

Wait. Who has the brain cell atm?

[round field]

Me

[normal pilot]

just ask claude to build you a dungeon item profile list

[maiden pasture]

dodged buff 😭

gg

resto main

gg

[wild dune]

gg

[dull dust]

dont think we needed a buff

[normal pilot]

balance is perfect

[high finch]

is why crit simming so much higher then haste ?

[normal pilot]

that item is better for you with your current gear setup

maybe it'll change with different gear

[drifting nova]

wtf people are almost 260

[upper anvil]

What ilvl u at

[drifting nova]

idk 245, hunter just rawdogged an m0 at 259

guess they were a famed sylvanas slayer but still

https://tenor.com/view/touching-grass-touch-gif-21219969

[upper anvil]

245. Slacking kekkers

[drifting nova]

I CANT GET SHIT

[normal pilot]

is that bluegrass or bermuda glass

[drifting nova]

226 ah crafted chest

wadafak 265

[dense steeple]

Hello I am a responsible and trustworthy adult

[upper anvil]

Heroic raiders seems about right. Tho the funneling must be real lmao

Tho that warrior being that high doesnt seem right. Who's funneling a warrior instead of a frost mage

[kindred token]

😍 https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/character/us/illidan/headexplode

[drifting nova]

worse, it's a mechagnome

[upper anvil]

Warrior gnomes funny tho

Havw you seen their charge. Leap snd stuff

[drifting nova]

are chieves for the march on quel

or

hold on lemme find the first druid, might need to scroll abit

[spice roost]

im 255 i raid tonight but how tf are people 265

jeez

[drifting nova]

2nd page, 26, 262.31

[nimble tangle]

No buff next week

Dead

[drifting nova]

it is infact a chicken

praise

[spice roost]

judge more when we have 4p

more so when most have it

[cerulean wagon]

anyone know of any bugs thats causing me to not be able to catalyze my champ track leggings

[dawn surge]

its just the people who got lucky in heroic

[spice roost]

not lucky they arent rolling

loot council

[cerulean wagon]

^^

[ionic surge]

@jolly delta we somehow killed all 6

[jolly delta]

gz

tbh group wasnt that bad

but I have no clue how tf did it take 8m for drakes

my dps was shit but it can't be cause of that

lmao

[tender elbow]

any boomie streaming hc progress?

[drifting nova]

duo drakes getting nerfed for sure

[spice roost]

lol

[nova mauve]

Does moonfire(with twin moons) not prioritize non-dotted enemies? It seems to be random when casting into a group

[lofty depot]

its smart and does that yes

[nova mauve]

hmm

[drifting nova]

eitherway you'l want to swap to a new target anyway

[lofty depot]

r u trying to dot while not in combat with said mobs

[nova mauve]

mostly noticing it while tank is rounding mobs up

[ionic surge]

well i was the only one parsing above blue

and even then there werent many blue

and i'm the tank so

[pliant hedge]

Seems rough that 5/8 specs below us in heroic raid logs got buffed this next Tuesday

[lofty depot]

if they just bring them closer to the bottom what does it matter

thats been us the last 5 tiers

[pliant hedge]

Damn really!

[lofty depot]

?

[pliant hedge]

I swapped over from enhance to try something new. Thought we would be around middle of the pack with all the aoe in raid

[lofty depot]

our tier is worth like 10-12%

u dont have it yet

(probably)

ur buff is the tierset, go get it

[pliant hedge]

Good point thanks. No I don't currently.

[versed zephyr]

is there a bis choice for the trinket from singularity rep with our first point in the tree this week? the protocol one?

this one, i already chose, but wondering if i chose wrong and what to choose next week too

[lofty depot]

u can sim it

[spice roost]

need the first 4 filled out

looks like ur missing 2

[versed zephyr]

can you get all 4 this week? i dont have all the quests and maybe no catchup?

[lofty depot]

think its 1 a week

u dont need all 4

it sims 0.4% better than my delve trinkets at same ilvl

i have 3/4 there

[versed zephyr]

just seems like every top parse in wow logs hero in raid is running it, so wanted to see if i could get on the train

seems time gated with me behind the ball here

[dull dust]

what even is that fore

[versed zephyr]

its for the trinket from singularity rep

[dull dust]

wait

I need stuff for the trinket

to work?

[normal pilot]

it's just shittier if you don't ahve the unlocks

[versed zephyr]

yeah a currency inside a talent tree lol

[dense steeple]

You should already have it all filled though

[dull dust]

I lost 1k without the buffs

wha the fuck

shot trinket

[lofty depot]

huh

open ur eyes silly

[dull dust]

wym

[spice roost]

idk it seems like its good for the ilvl

im running it with vaelgors

[dull dust]

[lofty depot]

it says it on the trinket

[lofty depot]

silly

[dull dust]

I need a new trinket asap

get this shit off me

[normal pilot]

did you not get the unlocks

[dull dust]

no im lazy

[normal pilot]

smh that's what you deserve for skipping content they spent so much effort on

[dull dust]

gunna skip it straight into m+

and just get a better one

[normal pilot]

i bet they keep upgrading it so it stays relevant in m+ too

[dull dust]

[dry heron]

So Im pretty sure there a bit of a catch-up mechanic to it to, on an alt I forgot about doing the quests, but I got an upgrade token from the weekly quest this week when I remember and then another token from the big weekly in that zone

[spice roost]

the event gives one a week

also

singularity event i think its called

nvm its called stormarian assault

[tribal tapir]

got this from delve. worth crafting a offhand?

[spice roost]

no

craft a 2h

[delicate perch]

love me a hero track weapon

[spice roost]

u can geta staff at 285 next week

[fleet edge]

i have this DPS on sim with 250 ilvl, how is it, normal ? pls

[delicate perch]

yep sure

(that shows us nothing)

[spice roost]

link the actual sim maybe

[lucid olive]

that looks fine

[fleet edge]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/gt2QjwYVePcR51gavx358i

[spice roost]

also st so who cares

[lucid olive]

its a number for sure

[fleet edge]

first time using raidbot sry

i've picked a mono target build from wowhead

[fleet edge]

ok thanks

[delicate perch]

those are also crafts of a choice

are you a tree

[spice roost]

bruh messed up already

[jolly delta]

the number of tanks without hands on crown is insane i swear to god

[dull dust]

can probably take out the on crown part

[jolly delta]

yeah but on other bosses you dont notice it as much

[dull dust]

its pretty noticeable on the dream dude

tank afk on the adds

[carmine acorn]

yo on crown should we be hitting multiple mobs on first phase?

as in playing closer to middle of room

[lofty depot]

do u have the ability to hit multiple mobs

[carmine acorn]

i mean multi dotting the big adds, or because of the shield is not worth?

[lofty depot]

if possible, do

u however have to be careful about the silly pools

and not placing them in shit places

[lucid olive]

not miuddle of the room no, and on heroic you want to wait until the smallies are on top of the first big add you're killing and those probably get blown up by melee

[lofty depot]

im pulling aggro cross room for smallies

[lucid olive]

thats a dmg loss

the big adds take massively increased dmg if the small adds die on top of them

[lofty depot]

yea im bring them over

[lucid olive]

based

[lofty depot]

gotta starfall so u can pull aggro

mmhm mmhm

[lucid olive]

i think after that you just play between the add youre killing and the next add with starfall and spend surge procs on the main target

[lofty depot]

yee

[lucid olive]

unless its like raszageth platforms where doing too much dmg to the next target is bad

[jolly delta]

also like

am I missing something or there's no need to keep the boss inside a single slice

in p2

[lucid olive]

i think crossing gives you a debuff

[carmine acorn]

also what does the interrupt? xD

[lucid olive]

on crown of the cosmos? its one of the big adds in p1 sends out a ring that silences

ideally you kill that one first

demiar or whatever

[carmine acorn]

ok this pug group is not killing that one first

but p1 is going smooth so whatever

[fiery kindle]

Has the bug been fixed?

[lucid olive]

no clue

test it

[carmine acorn]

what bug

[lucid olive]

pins

[carmine acorn]

Ahahaha

nice

[fiery kindle]

5 characters 0 set items.. pff

[lucid olive]

[jolly delta]

idk sounds better than having the bosses linked

[lofty depot]

the V boss guy

[lofty depot]

it go fixed yesterday

supposedly

[lucid olive]

are you sure

this log is from mar 20

[lofty depot]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/more-class-bug-fixes-midnight-hotfixes-for-march-19th-380881

[lucid olive]

ah bet

[dull dust]

gamz do i split cast starsurge on 2t if I'm gunna overcap the debuff

[void cosmos]

anyone know why elvui wont show astral power on a separate class bar

[lucid olive]

what

you mean the dragon boss

its probably optimal to tab target starsurge on procs for stellar amp

if thats what u mean

[dull dust]

[lucid olive]

or you could just full ST one of them

[dull dust]

that is what I ment yea

I guess i could sim that

but surely it just makes sense

[void jacinth]

@pseudo merlin are u the priest in my solo shuffle rn

[lofty depot]

download an actual resource bar

[void jacinth]

OMG

he ignored me and just said "go mage"

now he saw me

@pseudo merlin

solo carry

[pseudo merlin]

I love games where you just wintrade some idiot

[void jacinth]

that was me until i realized i could transfer honour

[pseudo merlin]

lmao

[void jacinth]

gg wp btw didnt knwo you were a real person until i saw u in shuffle

[pseudo merlin]

u2

wish this spec wasnt dogshit garbage in SS

constantly double melee trained and never peeled

and my own two forms of cc DRing eachother

peak design

WOA prey has a bar now

[obsidian girder]

thats just the prey world quest

[carmine acorn]

going dreamrift hc now, i hope bug was fixed ahah

[lucid olive]

literally not true, you killed ansurek heroic together

[void jacinth]

traumatic

[drifting nova]

https://tenor.com/view/dumb-stupidity-stupid-gif-22567774

[pseudo merlin]

sus

[drifting nova]

already behind the curve to get into m0s

its over

[spice roost]

you still need m0s??

[normal pilot]

dont give up kekkers

[drifting nova]

this 226 crafted chest aint moving itself

[void jacinth]

i could remove it

[drifting nova]

raid is negative gear

[leaden seal]

How do damage

[drifting nova]

hit buttons

[cunning bronze]

Are you guys mostly playing Keeper or elune in dungeons and raids these days? idk which side to practice

[fiery kindle]

i prefer elune

[lucid olive]

I usually flip a coin

[delicate perch]

I use a buzzfeed quiz before every dungeon/raid pull

[cunning bronze]

When we play starweaver, then we dont need to pool AP before we enter Eclipse right?

like the other one

[lucid olive]

you want to enter eclipse with resources to spend the 3 ascendant stars stacks quick

or to get 3 starlord quick, theyre basically the same thing

whether that is through AP + 1 builder cast or with free procs

[analog moat]

Anyone around 247 ilevel clear imperator averzian on heroic and tell me they're DPS?

[dense steeple]

You can just

[true viper]

Nah

[dense steeple]

Filter that on wcl

[high finch]

does anyone have a macro for pot plus CA/incarn?

[lofty depot]

generally u just make a seperate button

[topaz venture]

is it better to dump ap to 0 when in ca/incarn or pool towards the end for next eclipse

[dense steeple]

Dumpy

[cunning bronze]

I love grove, because i love the mushroom build. But i hate to swap eclipse based on target count. that is just horrible

[analog moat]

Anyone know off the top of their head with perfect play the difference in raid dps between elune's and keeper?

[dense steeple]

Ask the robot

He knows

[cunning bronze]

Can someone confirm? in compendium it says as Elune we cast wrath outside of eclipse at any target count?

[bleak kiln]

I was just about to ask this question

I'm trying raid for the first time, and keeper seems SO much more complex than elune's could ever be

[pseudo merlin]

@larias

[bleak kiln]

So u do indeed swap to lunar eclipse on say beginning of Alleria? Do u stay in lunar the whole time until P3? Shi kinda weird man

[normal pilot]

it does have an extra CD to track, but you line trees up anyways

[bleak kiln]

it's more about what buttons im hitting for cd's at the same time

[normal pilot]

you don't htink about swapping

[bleak kiln]

so many cd's

[normal pilot]

if you can only hit one target you wrath, if tehy're grouped you starfire

you don't care what elcipse you're in, it just flows from whatever you're casting

[bleak kiln]

really? thats wild

[normal pilot]

that's how it works

solar/lunar split doesn't really matter your'e just getting scammed by the dev keepign the same name for a redesigend system

[pseudo merlin]

@sour rampart Do you know if we can get those uncapped hero crests from nightmare prey again next week(+) ?

[normal pilot]

only thing kotg has 'worse' is you need to line up trees with your CA/ecl

[sour rampart]

Likely, yes

but no, there's no way to know

[pseudo merlin]

Right

But it's their new cool thing

So they have to incentivise it

[dense steeple]

Larias didnt inform me to do the housing quest specifically on my main and i accidentally turned it in on my alt and I can never forgive him

[bleak kiln]

Yea, I think i'm mainly just confused on how the initial flow of a fight goes

like, u enter eclipse on pull with trees and fury?

and then after it ends u go incarn with no trees?

[dense steeple]

Just eclipse and fury.

[bleak kiln]

it's just odd.

[dense steeple]

You pop the trees when its time for incarn

[bleak kiln]

only for incarn?

Or can I pop for eclipse if I dont have an incarn for awhile

[normal pilot]

as long as you'll have a tree for inc/ca

[bleak kiln]

I've just been going back and forth between the 2 as they come up

if no incarn, eclipse, if no eclipse incarn

[normal pilot]

1 is always have tree for ca, 2 is always have ecl for tree, 3 is don't let ecl overcap

[bleak kiln]

Hmmm okay

[normal pilot]

it is more annoying than ec for sure with the extra shitty gcd button

[bleak kiln]

Yea I mean i'm only like 230 ilvl rn but my dmg just sucks

last time I played boomy was back in dragonflight

when things sorta made sense lol

[normal pilot]

early dragonflight was before they started hafl ass tinkering with the SL design, which was a coherent design

now you've got 2 xpacs of messing around and it's just gottan more incoherent

[fast finch]

Silly question, while playing ST (KoTG) should I send Fury of elune on cd or I should hold my trees 15 sec so both cds align?

[harsh herald]

With control the dream, you don't lose anything time wise holding trees

But if a huge group of adds spawn I think I'm sending the FoE

[lofty depot]

u align cds always

foe shouldnt be up before trees

[fast finch]

Ok ty alot!

[drowsy cape]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/kn1wUxH5qbiZTHD8Sk476k is this looking like it could be the BIS Staff?

[obsidian jetty]

sure, if you cheat it into game at that iL it would be good yea

[dense steeple]

plot twist it still wouldnt

[dull dust]

only simming 64 with that

smh

[bleak kiln]

What addon do you need to sim again in game?

[lofty depot]

simulation craft

type /simc to copy character

[dense steeple]

/simc to copy character

[bleak kiln]

Hmmm it doesnt work

and I have the addon

[dense steeple]

i promise you

its a user error

[bleak kiln]

it says "type /help for a listing of a few commands"

unless this is not it

[normal pilot]

you have addons disabled or it's not installed correctly

[formal wasp]

Gamers, does Boomkin just have no way to deal with the cast on Nullaeus? Boss is casting more often than 45seconds

[lucid olive]

Correct

[dense steeple]

its borked

go bear

[lucid olive]

They pushed a hotfix Thursday to make the boss cast scale with specs different kick CDs

And they messed up Solar Beam

[obsidian fjord]

does rdruid buff and guardian druid not-nerf seal moonkin fate for rwf

i didnt know if anti melee mechanic and moonkin op tier would be enough to compete with feral if its a dps-druid buff tier

[lofty depot]

let me just look through my crystal ball

[obsidian fjord]

ok let me know

[formal wasp]

Thank you!

[dense steeple]

what do you mean by guardian druid not nerf

they just got shot last week

[bleak kiln]

I must be doing something right because I blue parsed Chimaeron at 230 ilvl lmao

[delicate perch]

you heard em

[obsidian fjord]

well obviously i mean this most recent tuning, i expected another nerf as they are still insane. definitely did not get shot

[delicate perch]

[static sluice]

I mean who knows. RWF is like a different game to even top 50 or 100 guilds. Not like it actually affects most other players

[amber mason]

sadly max and the liquid boys hate moonkins (because they thicc) regardless of tuning.

[delicate perch]

@vital hound

[amber mason]

I'll never forgive Sang for quitting the boom of doom to play a dumb lizard.

[icy beacon]

@lofty depot

[drifting nova]

manaflux? its manaforge all over again

[spice roost]

5 bosses in heroic dead we just barely killed dragons

[dawn surge]

Is there an obviously best buff to take in algethar academy or is it kinda dependent on what gear you have?

[lofty depot]

haste prob

mastery is flat, but maybe its ok

[dreamy locust]

I think flat mastery amount is just better right now

But I do only got like 400 haste

So quick maffs was like 20 haste vs 50 mastery or whatever amount it is

[lofty depot]

its not 20 haste tho

is 200

its 5%

[jaunty blaze]

Math

[high finch]

so kul tiran best race?

[jaunty blaze]

Peak physical form sure

100 dps is pretty much whatever

[high finch]

im haraindir and its 500 dps from what i have now

but how does vers do more then crit?

[jaunty blaze]

Can always change depending on what stats your character has

All races are very close to each other in terms of dmg

[delicate perch]

insane work

[lofty depot]

do u think 100 dps mattesr

[high finch]

i think 500 dps from haraindir to kul tiran matters

[delicate perch]

neither are night elf so it really does not

[lofty depot]

ud be wrong

[meager storm]

wait till u find out haranir is highest

[obtuse merlin]

hi quick question. i got the 4 piece now.
Now I finally have a chance for the charges to drop in endgame content. does this also mean from M0 dungeons ?

[acoustic zealot]

I'm 99% sure the answer to that is yes

[high finch]

should we craft our weapon this week?

[jade flume]

so far the only charge i got was from pvp

[wide dawn]

Which spec is better in raid boomie / feral ?

[wide dawn]

U can craft with no crest or wait for next week and get gilded crest and craft max ilvl

[ruby badger]

Anyone know any good 2t dummies?

[rocky flame]

hey guys

what’s up

chickens

[rocky flame]

as a feral boomy is

[crisp basin]

yo fellow boomies, i see on the compendium theres both a keeper of the grove ST and eluns chosen ST

would u guys say theyre very close performance wise and which should I go for? or does it depend on if there are multiple targets?

[vital hound]

Fun but untrue fortunately

Boomkin will see play for both guilds

And feral

[jaunty blaze]

promise?

[round field]

just play keeper

[jolly delta]

Go to a ST one and place a toy

[crisp basin]

that didn’t answer my question

[round field]

yes it did

ec smells

[delicate perch]

[obsidian tapir]

https://tenor.com/view/keeper-shopkeeper-nil-shopfront-shopfront-game-gif-9646449572626173368

[crisp basin]

ez to tell u got no clue what ur talking about

[round field]

says the one who comes in here asking what to play?

the balls on these sprouts nowadays

[crisp basin]

link me ur char

[round field]

sure

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/eu/sylvanas/iqnious

[jaunty blaze]

[round field]

what

[jaunty blaze]

funny convo is all

[pallid bay]

lil gup

[round field]

im having so much fun

[obsidian fjord]

why didnt u kill dimensius

[round field]

i didnt feel like it

[obsidian fjord]

he was a toughie no biggie

[round field]

no i actually just didnt feel like it

[obsidian fjord]

especially the gravity part

[ruby badger]

This was the answer I feared, I only got the turnip punching bag

[twin lotus]

If u are alliance there is an ST dummy at belameth

U can place ur toy next to it maybe

[obsidian jetty]

any druid can get to belameth with dreamgrove tp

[raw fulcrum]

Hi every bowldy how u kill the nemesis he just 2 shots me all time

and my anticast was in cd lol

[halcyon plaza]

when i saw him casting faster than our solar beam cd i just quitted, just another ?? boss you literally cant kill right now as balance

you could put valera on dd so she kicks for you but then you wont survive

[jolly delta]

They fixed it

[halcyon plaza]

oh did they?

[jolly delta]

Supposedly

[raw fulcrum]

not atm i think

i trying

[jolly delta]

Unlucky

[raw fulcrum]

he two shot me

Ky'veza was amazing fight

vidaeus just a joke

strat was weak

but dmge and cast

just i says " ?? " ahah

[halcyon plaza]

ye its not fixed

idk what blizzard is doing with this kinda stuff, its not the first time that happened, same with the first ?? in tww

[vocal parcel]

i kill it yesterday so sounds like a little skill issue xD

45s with right talents and you can do it 🙂

[raw fulcrum]

i'v a talents for

[vocal parcel]

then i dont know what you do wrong because i kill it as balance druid 😛

[raw fulcrum]

wtf again i cant anticast and i'v the talent

and i anticast very late

i need 10 sec more

[vocal parcel]

strange

[jolly delta]

it's almost certainly a bug

In theory it should've been fixed to adapt to the spec

[lusty echo]

I did raid yesterday for the first time, ST felt so hard to execute, especially the syncing of cooldowns... Way more difficult than MM+ rotations, and MM hunter.

[jolly delta]

well I mean considering that MM hunter is 2 buttons

[lusty echo]

The opener of balanced druid is quite complexe, almost 12 seconds isn't it ?

[jolly delta]

but there's also not a lot of syncing going on with balance?

[jolly delta]

well that's because you're trying to memorize it

[jolly delta]

You just press everything together

[lusty echo]

Hm maybe I miss things then. I just felt that sometimes my elune fury and force of nature weren't ready for my incarnation + convocation

[lusty echo]

Shouldn't I ?

[jolly delta]

dreamgrove.gg/planner

play a bit with this

but the tldr is that you always cast foe and treants together

and then you have a cast of incarn for almost every foe

and then you have a cast of convoke for every 2nd foe

[lusty echo]

But I don't understand, convoke has shorter cd than incarn, why can't i FOE for every convoke ?

[jolly delta]

depending on talents your mileage my vary but generally speaking it's always the same

[jolly delta]

You can foe for every convoke

That's what I said

Incarn has charges

[lusty echo]

Sorry my English may be bad, I understand this as you convoke 1 time with foe, and 1 time you foe without convoke

[jolly delta]

yes, that is correct, because you don't have convoke

unless you play elune's guidance w/e

[lusty echo]

I changed my talent build very often, I copy pasted it from the top parsers from warcraft logs

Maybe it didn't help me 😄

[jolly delta]

Like it's very simple. Treants are 1m, convoke is 2m, CA is 2m

Foe is 45s but you just wait

[lusty echo]

Convoke is 1 min cd for me

[jolly delta]

Or if you play control of the dream then everything except FoE is shortened by 15s at pull and it still aligns

[jolly delta]

Sure, have you tried opening the website I sent you?

[lusty echo]

I'm on it, I accidentally skipped the tutorial though 😄 And can't put it back

I'm trying to put the spells in the right order with the talents I have etc

[jolly delta]

• Enable all the talents you currently have
• Place convoke, treants, CA

[lusty echo]

Elune's guidance changes everything

[jolly delta]

Create a custom spell for Fury of Elune

And then just literally place them on the timeline in a way that aligns them all

While minimizing empty space

And that's your order

[tribal tapir]

keeper convoke, keeper incarn or elune convoke, wich one is generally the best to go for raid?

[jolly delta]

Yeah sorry about that. At one point I will add a button to restart it

[lusty echo]

It's ok

It looked like this in my mind for the opener, right ?

[still iris]

does anyone know if you get the extra set charge from cosmos heroic or do you need to clear all 3 raids on heroic?

[lusty echo]

Oh no I eclipse before

So haaard 😢

[jolly delta]

Anyways, no, you should just understand what's happening.

• We cast wraths in prepull because that's a spell with travel time and we can cast them without hitting the boss
• Then we apply dots because we always want dots up
• Then we cast eclipse because we always want to be in eclipse
• Then you cast starsurges because entering eclipse gave you a damage boost for them
• Then you reapply sunfire because it's simply a damage increase not having to use it during the cooldowns
• Finally you just press your cooldowns

[maiden pasture]

Look at fon duration, it runs out before you even convoke

[lusty echo]

Thanks for clarifying. The hardest part for me is the cooldowns, cause we have so many. Foe, Fon, CA and Convoke

[jolly delta]

Yeah but it's also quite simple

FoE is a damage over time that allows you to do other things

So you start with that

[lusty echo]

I'm sorry for asking probably dumb questions for you, I swear I try 😢

[jolly delta]

Then FoN boosts your damage by a lot

So you go with them

Then you press CA which also boosts your damage by a lot

[deft crown]

I need some weapon crafting advice, i looted a hero track 1 hand, do i craft offhand for it or craft the 2 hand?

[jolly delta]

And finally you cast convoke which is a spell that just casts other spells

That are now boosted by treants and CA

[lusty echo]

I have to empty my astral power before convoke, no ?

[jolly delta]

Not empty but yes, it generates 60ap

Roughly

So you don't want to overcap

[lusty echo]

So I need to get lower than 40

[jolly delta]

Aka be <40

Yes

But you also want to cast convoke asap so that it's fully within FoN

[lusty echo]

Alright, thanks for clarifying. So, when I use "normal" eclipses, do I press any CD ?

And after the opener, when i'm out of CA, do I press CA again (my second charge) to get back in eclipse since I always want to be in eclipse ?

[jolly delta]

Well if you map things on the timeline you will see that you will not have CA for each cast of FoN

Well, depending on the talents

W/e doesn't matter

The point is that you always want to cast CA as soon as you can, and you want to cast Convoke as soon as you can

But you also want to cast Convoke + CA + FoE + FoN

[lusty echo]

I found myself in the position where I had CA and convoke avalaible, but not Foe or Fom because I used them for a normal eclipse I think

[jolly delta]

Again, it depends on the talents that you run so I would recommend playing with the planner

But the rule of thumb is that if you play control of the dream you're allowed (and expected) to wait ~15s for things to align

for example in that case FoN will be 45s, FoE will be 60s

And you wait 15s with treants

[lusty echo]

And from what I see on the planned, the thing that makes me wait is FoE right ?

[jolly delta]

Generally yes

[lusty echo]

So I should align my CDs on the FOE CD ?

Like this ?

And the eclipses fill the gaps ?

Like this ?

[jolly delta]

Yeah

also well, without the 5s gap at the beginning clearly 😉

[lusty echo]

I think the problem come at the 4th FoE from what I see with planner, I won't have any CA charge there

What should I do then ? replace with an eclipse ?

Or wait ?

[lusty echo]

Yes it's not perfect 😄

[jolly delta]

Eclipse

[lusty echo]

It's really clearer for me, I surely need some practice now, but I thank you very much for your help.

If I summerize a bit : Align my CDs with FoE. If no CA is avalaible : do the CDs with an eclipse. Otherwise don't use CD with eclipses. Am I correct ?

[simple pebble]

At what point do you use incarn instead of convoke?

[jolly delta]

Well, CA puts you in both eclipses so in general you want to always use CDs with eclipses

But if you don't have the good eclipse (CA) then you use the normal eclipse (solar)

[lusty echo]

Yes, I meant "normal eclipses"

[jolly delta]

Yeye but I just think it makes it easier

"always in eclipse, prioritize CA if you can"

[lusty echo]

Yeah the wording is better you're right

Knowing all of this, is this useful to macro Foe with Fom with CA ? Is it even doable ?

[lucid olive]

Not doable + not good idea

[pallid bay]

bing bang boom

trust me it works

[lusty echo]

Since we never FoE without FoM, why is it a bad idea ?

[lusty echo]

What works ? The macroing ? 😄

[lucid olive]

They are both on the global cooldown so you can't macro them together

You also don't always want to send FoE on the global before FoN, you can send it like 4-5 seconds into it as well

[jolly delta]

• learning to press your spells will help you in the long run when inevitably stuff changes

[lusty echo]

Why ? In which case ?

[lucid olive]

Optimal time to press FoN into CA depends on the CD left on Eclipse as much as the FoE cooldown

[lusty echo]

You're attacking my brain again I thought I sorted it out 😢

[lucid olive]

Sometimes if you hold Treants-> CA for the FoE lineup you end up overcapping your Eclipse cooldown

[jolly delta]

(I would advise you to come back to this once you have some practice)

[lusty echo]

Ok I get what you mean

I still have acceptable parses with my poor management, I don't understand how or why

[pallid bay]

just repeat that when u pop cds

[lusty echo]

Maybe gear carried me

[jolly delta]

No it's just that a lot of it is way less important than just pressing enough buttons

Maybe also gear carried you

[lusty echo]

I just want to thank you a lot again, you were very kind and helpful. It's not that common 😄

[jolly delta]

remember to defend us on reddit when someone complains about dreamgrove

[lucid olive]

that hasnt happened for a while

actually don't think i've seen anyone on reddit complain about druid discord ever since @pallid bay lost expert role..

i'm not saying he was the problem but..

[jolly delta]

||And paper disappeared||

[lusty echo]

I must admit until now I had a very bad impression. I asked some questions and people were very... Petty and mean. Thanks for balancing it out 😄

[fossil hemlock]

Surely someone on there complained about the bear sims being intentionally oversimmed with unrealistic talent choices to get bear nerfed

[jolly delta]

Smh @pallid bay

Did you know that tette in Italian is boobs

tettes

[lucid olive]

does that mean his last name is actually boobieton

[pallid bay]

im the saint of this discord

[coral shell]

Im curious to know how much a geared boomy sims at, who sims high in here?

[pallid bay]

pinnacle of helpful spirit

y'all look up to me

i dont bother looking down on you

we are not the same!

[lucid olive]

geared as in "for week 1" or geared as in 6 weeks from now

think i sim like 76k or something in week 1 gear

[jolly delta]

possibly, yes

[jolly delta]

don't think so......

[tough olive]

Is the Vessel of Tortured souls simming correctly ?

[coral shell]

Thank you

[lucid olive]

assume it works like all "pick up orbs" effect and picks them up flawlessly

so perhaps sims a bit better than it performs in game depending how easy you spot the orbs + how quick you are at collecting

[tough olive]

Alright just that wowhead says its an alternative bis trinket but it's not simming very well for me

[lucid olive]

gg

the wowhead writer should get fired tbh

any truers in the chat

[jaunty blaze]

[carmine relic]

It's not like you recommended going kyrian or anything

[raw fulcrum]

tu as reussi depuis?

[normal pilot]

vessel has a 10% miss rate and will try to pick up the orb during the next instant gcd when you can move

[sleek bison]

What am I doing wrong with my sims? Ran top gear back to back with the same settings and they are much different

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/6FAcV9VzFmorsjGhrfLDtt
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/4HdzVgbJErzfLd8A8UimXA

[normal pilot]

there might be a problem with top gear atm where it can't return precise results

[dense steeple]

You have no clue what youre talking about

[gaunt ruin]

it's worth to use champion crests on upgrades now?

[lucid olive]

Sure what else are you spending them on

[white sandal]

They will be useless once the m+ grind starts

[toxic fossil]

Is Nullaeus possible as boomkin?

Solar beam isnt matching the 1shot cast

[lucid olive]

Not until they fix it

Wouldn't hold my breath

If you want easy Nullaeus just go in a group

[toxic fossil]

No, i don't want easy Nullaeus. I want it to be possible lol

guess ill give feral a shot

[lucid olive]

I heard someone say that you can shapeshift the debuff he puts on you

so you could try DPS Alleria and let her kick

and then shapeshift the debuff instead of Alleria dispelling

[toxic fossil]

Ill try. I've needed the health pots from her

Thanks

[zealous tartan]

elune or kotg in M+?

[royal zenith]

yes

[lucid olive]

lmk if the shapeshift even clears the debuff

i never checked, i just heard it

[round field]

[toxic fossil]

It does not

[lucid olive]

alright thanks

[rough shadow]

Does our class just kinda suck ATM?

[lucid olive]

no i'm blasting

[round field]

yes it does

gamz is gaslighting u

[rough shadow]

Feel like in raid (first 3 bosses) I was barely able to compete. My stats kind of suck but it doesn't feel like just that

[nova ocean]

First three bosses we suck at on heroic yes

[lucid olive]

bro you didn't buy the expansion 😭

[nova ocean]

Maybe mythic is better

[sly wadi]

somebody shut the discord down for more buffs

[royal zenith]

you probably need at least 20 more points in haste

else you won't do damage

true story..

[jaunty blaze]

Yall got anymore of that haste

[royal zenith]

we can make a deal

[round field]

yeah cause our class just kinda sucks atm

[royal zenith]

as gastank would say

class is perfect

else it would get buffs

[jaunty blaze]

True

[mortal mica]

Does anybody know if the Singularity renown trinket sims correctly? It shows its better than all my other trinkets and it's kind of surprising to me given how small the crit proc is, and that its crit lol

[lucid olive]

good trinket

sims fine

[royal zenith]

but

deselect the buffs at the bottom

so you don't gaslight yourself

[kindred token]

lol

[lucid olive]

also crit is good

[royal zenith]

if we actually will run the trinket for a while

[lucid olive]

and you can not get the trinket above the ilvl track from the renown quest

[royal zenith]

might need to give some info to the people on the buff

[lucid olive]

so its allowed to be strong

since its outclassed by ilvl when m+ opens

[rough shadow]

I just feel like everytime I proc cooldowns I do normal damage and outside of it I do dogshit

Maybe I just need more mastery and haste

[jaunty blaze]

My int/vers stat stick i got from the world boss clears that shiii

[rough shadow]

Over ilvl

[lucid olive]

ilvl is always worth more than secondaries

[sly wadi]

primary stat go brrrr

[royal zenith]

mine has avoidance

[mortal mica]

oh I didnt notice those buffs at the bottom lol, do they only work inside fo the voidspire raid? is that how that works?

[royal zenith]

well you need to kinda

get the buffs

through some table in the voidarea

[mortal mica]

ye i remember seeing that but I thought it was only in voidstorm not voidspire, although that makes sense if it works in voidspire too lol

[royal zenith]

https://www.wowhead.com/item=264507/crucible-of-erratic-energies#comments

[lofty depot]

U could say Voidspire is in voidstorm

[sly wadi]

🤯

[lofty depot]

But its flagged wrong apparently

[lucid olive]

the buffs work inside the raid and m+

[royal zenith]

people are clueless about the buffs

including myself

[lucid olive]

at least thats what gas said yesterday

[royal zenith]

you guys do need to realize that

cause people will just fuck themselves thinking it does more dam

with simming

[prime hill]

Non, impossible à faire en Equi, on est plusieurs a avoir des casts entre 20 et 30 sec après le premier. J'y suis allé en tank 🙁

[jaunty blaze]

yuge

[lucid olive]

yeah thats a valid point

i have 0 clue how the buffs work either

the trinket is only relevant for this week anyway

[royal zenith]

(and no it's not simbait for you lurkers)

[raw fulcrum]

Ce jeu rend fou, je te remercie je ferai pareil je pense

[jaunty blaze]

why are we fr*nching

[royal zenith]

cause why not be rude

ya kno

[lucid olive]

jmapelle gamz

[prime hill]

👌

[misty vapor]

why can't we see boomie on bloodmallet's trinket perf

[jaunty blaze]

because bloodmallet sucks huge balls

[jolly delta]

bloodmallet is ok

is the profile that sucks huge balls

[royal zenith]

real answer; not an up-to-date profile uploaded

[misty vapor]

Are we above ele shaman on the Vaelgor trinket ?

[royal zenith]

in terms of what

[lofty depot]

everyone above ele

[jolly delta]

Loot council shit

[royal zenith]

I get that

but actual numbers versus %'s matter

[jolly delta]

Please enter your boes in the boxes

[royal zenith]

and your baseline damage matters too

[jaunty blaze]

[royal zenith]

think ele shaman does terrible ST atm in raid

[jolly delta]

sure that's why those lists are bs

[misty vapor]

got big buff

[royal zenith]

no it didnt

like 8% at max

[jolly delta]

and bloodmallet profile isn't updated

[jaunty blaze]

not really its the cleave part thats awful

this whole raid is terrible for ele rn

[royal zenith]

define cleave

lol @ their damage on paladins

[jaunty blaze]

like everything spread

and requires target switch

[royal zenith]

literally opposite of cleave*

but yeah I get what you mean

[jaunty blaze]

dragons is literally an st fight for them

idk feels horrible

[royal zenith]

is it your alt?

[jaunty blaze]

yes

[royal zenith]

[jaunty blaze]

luckily i might only need to play it this week

[royal zenith]

not doing 2 weeks of gearing?

[lucid olive]

it doesnt

[royal zenith]

or well you probably just go full mains on heroic next week

to grab the last tiersets

[jaunty blaze]

likely

buffs might help tho

[jade flume]

Someone hasnt lost rank 1 by .3 dps and it shows

[lucid olive]

also whats the source on kultiran simming higher anyway

to me they're all about equal with tauren on top

[jaunty blaze]

brother didnt link the sim

[half mica]

do you bother dotting on mobs/adds that die super fast?

[still iris]

my little brain is too stupid to get mushrooms into the rotation 🙁

[lofty depot]

depends how fast is super fast

prob not

[jolly delta]

what mushrooms

[leaden seal]

what’s that kotg chart that shows when to overlap each cd

[still iris]

wild mushroom

[lofty depot]

what u mean "when to overlap"

u align cds, always

trees and foe with eclipse or incarn always

[jolly delta]

www.dreamgrove.gg/planner

[jolly delta]

why are you playing wild mushrooms

[half mica]

like 5 seconds on some of the add waves in raid. I,E. the ticks on the 2nd boss of spire

[jolly delta]

is it new tech that I'm missing

[lofty depot]

the adds on spire dont die in 5 seconds :/

but like orbs on dragons

[still iris]

I looked at crown heroic cause I was pugging it and looked at the top builds

[lofty depot]

could sunfire the aoe

[jolly delta]

you looked at padders gratz

[still iris]

so wild mushrooms are shit and I should never pick them currently?

I don't like how they fit into the rotation

[lofty depot]

its just another wrath dog

its a filler in your eclipse

[jaunty blaze]

dont overcap press them on addspawns

profit

[jolly delta]

I mean if you want to pad on adds that are going to die anyways

U can pick them

[still iris]

but I should not use it while the mobs are still under the dot, no? so it's another shit I have to track

the new interface changes make it impossible for me to track anything rn anyway

[lofty depot]

nah u can slam like 2 and it not matter dog

ur worried about the tiniest shit

u could also just not play it

[still iris]

okay, I will just remove them, they irritate me too much 😄

need some smooth brain rotation

[royal zenith]

literally one guy playing it

reconsider your decision

[still iris]

oh true, LOL

[half mica]

curious, the compendium says to use CA before Fury but wowhead says to use Fury before CA for the Atmospheric exposure debuff. which is correct?

[lofty depot]

but its the top guy

smh

[lucid olive]

my sim is linked at bottom of compendium

with the others

[lofty depot]

where does it say that

[jaunty blaze]

i meant his

that puts kul tiran ahead

[half mica]

oh looks like they changed it on wowhead.

[lofty depot]

i dont think it says use ca before fury

where..... does it say that

[half mica]

so you're saying use fury before CA then?

[lucid olive]

yes

think i'll probably spend a few hours tonight making sure the two rotation guides are identical..

[ripe magnet]

did i read somewhere convoke is bugged on chimaerus?

or did i imagine it

[lucid olive]

it was

apparently fixed

[wintry umbra]

has anyone checked if the algathar acadamy healer trinket still works with boomy like df(and that sims still seem to expect to work), havent gotten it to drop to try myself

[lucid olive]

supposed to work the same way it did

[dawn surge]

Saw someone say it does a couple days ago but no clue if they hotfixed or smth

[normal pilot]

it's still the same, still procs off resource gains

[drowsy cape]

Are we still spending procs on starfire and starfall in ST?

[lucid olive]

Starfire in Incarn is optional, its basically dmg neutral which one you spend the instant cast on

Starfall you just spend the Starweaver free proc on and then Starsurge on Touch the Cosmos

[drowsy cape]

Doesn’t instant cast starfire generate more astral power?

[lucid olive]

has higher chance of proccing touch the cosmos as well

but does less dmg

so its evened out

[dark trail]

Can the Emerald Coach Whistle be used by balance?

[drowsy cape]

Sweet thanks

[lucid olive]

yes

[wide dawn]

Is the ?? Delve crest weekly or onetime character

[lucid olive]

onetime pretty sure

since its independent of cap

[jaunty blaze]

i think you get 5 crests weekly

so make of that what you want

[royal zenith]

(aka not worth)

[sleek estuary]

just confirming from compendium bc it feels strange, that for KOTG ST, i completely ignore instant starfire proc inside of normal eclipse?

[lucid olive]

whys that strange

starfire doesnt get benefit from solar eclipse

in lunar eclipse you dont have to play around it cause you'll be pressing starfire anyway

[hallow brook]

im sorry but what does "KOTG" stand for im new

[lucid olive]

keeper of the grove

[hallow brook]

ty

[lucid olive]

one of our 2 hero talents

[carmine acorn]

do we have any place with tips for each raid boss?

[woven current]

If I wanted to switch from Feral to Balance/Resto before upgrading or doing any real gearing... where would I start? Is there a cheap crafted set, or vendor or something?

[carmine acorn]

im progging chimaeros (with pugs) and im kinda feeling bad by not having eclipse at the right times xD

[lucid olive]

i wrote some up on wowhead but no guarantee on how good they are

generally on chimaerus you just hold CDs for add phases tbh

in my experience people are usually busy zugzugging boss so any dmg you can do to the adds the better

[normal pilot]

<@&114146878353833984> pin plz

[half quartz]

I was too slow

[normal pilot]

unlucky

[half quartz]

I tried

[normal pilot]

that's what matters in the end

[half quartz]

Ok good night

[lucid olive]

getting good airtime on my expert role benefits

[wicked shuttle]

Gg

[ornate girder]

https://tenor.com/view/tortuga-scream-gif-16944571246409172204

[carmine acorn]

weird to save cds on beggining with lust but yes

im on first soak, doi save foe treants and ca?

[lucid olive]

if you go down on 2nd group you can send on pull and it should line up with you going downstairs

on first soak probably save yeah

[carmine acorn]

kk

[lucid olive]

but it depends what your team is wiping to

[carmine acorn]

add not dying sometimes

😄

[lucid olive]

yeah then you make sure the adds die

[carmine acorn]

is there any more wiping mechanic? ahah

[lucid olive]

yeha standing in the shit

[lofty depot]

U know when ur progging a boss, u do cringe shit with ur CDs so u can get past it

Like saladbar, holding 2m CDs cuz someone died

This week I just held CDs for adds to make sure they died

[dense steeple]

Just download gtfo weakaura

[carmine acorn]

indeed

and now we died to enrage so yeah i see another wiping mechanic ahah

puglife

[verbal ferry]

I am curios if the keystone guru simming is working for balance. I ran a mock and am getting an error message that my charcter doesnt support the fight style dungeon route. Can this be disregarded?

[undone mauve]

question on the general emphasis on the spell configuration of starfire with the trinket Nevermelting Ice Crystal, while testing i found that multiple stacks are being removed with starfire and i believe the splash damage of the spell is the cause, is that damage considered a seperate source of damage which Nevermelting Ice Crystal is then counting for its stack removal?

[normal pilot]

you never disregard simc error message

there's no real reliable dungeon simming for balance atm.

[verbal ferry]

Gotcha thanks

[normal pilot]

might be better tested for dungeons in the future maybe

[lucid olive]

wouldnt hold my breath

maybe junda comes back to drop a nuke and quits again

[dull dust]

lock in gamz

I would do it if I wanted to learn all the things that make it work

[carmine acorn]

yey i killed, obviously 0 loot

[lofty depot]

Dungeon sim wasn't accurate before it's just all they had

[carmine acorn]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/93Mk8QWhTqHbaK1X?fight=last i was going to say very shitty try but it wasnt that bad

[dull dust]

[lucid olive]

which one is you

i assume the prey guy

[carmine acorn]

preyalce

y

[dull dust]

as God intended

[carmine acorn]

ahahah

you could have gone further up, a 76 fury warr is also more damage xD

[dull dust]

surely tier saves boomkin

[lucid olive]

tier sim spreadsheets use incarn starweaver

so tier looks better

[dull dust]

are we not top by miles

the classes ive worked on we were like 4x

[lucid olive]

no

[jaunty blaze]

sub rogue is a bit better

i think arms gains most

[lucid olive]

guardian too

[dull dust]

ah fuck

[jaunty blaze]

with like 14%

[dull dust]

guardian isnt

ain't no way

at least raw number wise

[dull dust]

thats

no one plays claw

[jaunty blaze]

go play claw NOW

[dull dust]

sub rogue being rhe competition is rough

because also leather

whats best cloth spec

link list in dms

[lucid olive]

for cloth its sunfury fire mage and archon shadow priest

[dull dust]

wow

[lucid olive]

little above 6%

[dull dust]

now what real dps spec

[lucid olive]

idk

[dull dust]

I guess mabey people play shadow

[analog moat]

How does this make sense? How do you have 46 casts but 61 hits?

[normal pilot]

ghost surges

👻

[lucid olive]

[native egret]

@lofty depot stream solo shuffle plz..

[normal pilot]

oh we do have that emote

[lucid olive]

should get every druid icon as an emote tbh...

[lofty depot]

might end up bg blitzing

[normal pilot]

but also i dont' think that's from convoke

[sterile comet]

hey all, do we only want to use convoke inside CA?

[lofty depot]

yes

[normal pilot]

pretty sure they add up doggos

[sterile comet]

Thanks

[lucid olive]

its both i think

on boss i didn't play convoke it was even

[normal pilot]

yeah it's weird how they count it

clearly you didn't get 55 doggo casts

[sterile comet]

would it be bad to macro convoke and CA?

[lucid olive]

yes

[sterile comet]

Ok, thanks. Forgive me if that's a stupid question, I'm new to druid.

[lucid olive]

all good

much stupider questions than that

[dull dust]

can I macro ca and trees

and pot and trinket

[lucid olive]

no

[dull dust]

and my barkskin

[normal pilot]

/castrandom it

[dull dust]

does that work

on god