#balance

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lucid olive
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press N and press the fun stuff

glacial steeple
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They’re VERY close

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Or remove all your talents and try that

lucid olive
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yeah these don't matter, the weapons are identical

graceful path
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yes

lucid olive
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trick is to click one of the numbers, and if the number above or below is blue

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then it doesnt matter

charred kettle
glacial steeple
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Transmog matter at all?

wraith kiln
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Did Feral day 1, Fury and Arms in early ToS and the rest in Antorus. I think I did 2 of the reprints? Shadow and then accidentally 1shot Fire to prove a point or something

lucid olive
round field
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feral was pretty easy

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balance i couldnt do lmao

glacial steeple
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I’m debating if I want to do balance of power again for this druid for transmog

lucid olive
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think the one I struggled with most was the healer challenge but thats because I'm not a healer

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but it was pretty easy once i got the hang of it tbh

wraith kiln
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Feral was one of the harder DPS ones initially but became an absolute meme when they made Brutal Slash do damage in 7.1.5

charred kettle
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one question craft Staff or mace is the same just skin change it is that ?

spiral hull
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Its the same

charred kettle
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oki noob question thank you ><

dusky orchid
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Random question, can i do decent offspeccing balance or is it actually trash without all the crafted stuff and whatever else

spiral hull
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Not having a crafted weapon kind of sucks but for most content a heroic staff or whatever is fine for dabbling in moonkin

dusky orchid
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Im mainspeccing guardian so i just wonder if i would be ok playing around for fun or just going to be awful compared to feral i guess

spiral hull
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Well ferals real bad atm so

dusky orchid
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Big sadge

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Painful indecision makes wanting to play everything vey hard

spiral hull
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Yea if youre just offspeccing for fun on weekly keys itll be fine

sudden flame
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both moonkins and feral is mid

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i consider them both pretty equal in raid tbh

spiral hull
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Yea being sandwiched between 40% parses with an 80. Same as it ever was

hushed trail
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Hello, what do the clever guys recommend you to craft first? 🙂

glacial steeple
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Balance has felt really good for me in raids tbh

spiral hull
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2hand staff

kindred socket
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are there any addons for Eclipse / Incarn buffs uptime as weak auras before?

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rn im always checking buff bar

glacial steeple
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I use Blizz UI and it works fairly well with the countdown timer

lucid olive
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default cooldown manager tracks eclipse either through bars or as an icon

glacial steeple
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Bars

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Idk if that was a question or statement

lucid olive
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statement

glacial steeple
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Makes sense

honest musk
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Yeah bunch of bars and icons. I personally added arcanoweave procs, works great. For bars I just use eclipses and one more I forgot

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I like ding sound when free sf/ss procs

fathom blade
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i already killed Nullaeus ?? on my rogue, someone did it as balance ? or our 45sec kick will make it impossible ?

honest musk
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Wanted kaching sound from wa, but not available

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What’s the notable reward from nullaeus?

fathom blade
honest musk
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I think I will attempt as bear

fathom blade
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i wanna try on balance, but dunno if we can with our dogwater kick

cedar pumice
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how will you spend hero crests?

fathom blade
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i dont for the moment

lucid olive
wild dune
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iirc its 1 kick every 30seconds

fathom blade
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the sortest solar beam its 45 sec no ?

wild dune
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30 if u kick something with it

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with the extra talent im pretty usre

fathom blade
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so its fine

wild dune
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idk i did it as resto

cloud lion
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Other nemesis was changed for each class

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It was an issue before but they make it to cast every 45 sec or 1 min

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If i remember

lucid olive
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i mean, if the kick is 30 seconds then 0 moonkins would have killed it

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and since that isnt true it means the kick must line up

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considering the cast oneshots you

cedar pumice
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crafting staff with hero crests this week? yee or meeh

lucid olive
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dont craft with hero crests

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massive waste of crests

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craft staff just with 4 sparks now to make it 259 and then recraft with myth crests next week

light seal
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i did ?? as guardian with 224 weapon. no skill required. 245ilvl. 20lvl pet. felt kinda annoying as chicken. with bear it died first pull

lucid olive
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yeah

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world content boss easier as tank

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who woulda thought

lucid olive
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sure

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it used to be 2 since half sparks were a thing

brave crypt
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I am 247 ilvl, my ST is rpetty good in dungeons, consistently sitting around 55k. But my AoE is very underwhelming compared to almost every other class i am playing with. In general, is boomie AoE a little lackluster compared to other classes atm, or am i probably doing something wrong?

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I am playing elune's chosen

cloud lion
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Prob everything dying so fast

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U dot them enter eclipse and trash dead

brave crypt
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Yeah, that's fair. I just wasn't sure if boomie's aoe in general was a little below others or if it was a personal problem haha

rapid sable
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RIP CHUCK Norris

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finally left Barrens chat

leaden birch
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guys, whats the personal food we make for ourselves?

lucid olive
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whatever one gives primary stat

leaden birch
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yep found it, bento

lucid olive
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is it vegetarian

leaden birch
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ngl kinda wish guides showed both the feast and the persy food

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no it's not vegetarian

lucid olive
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L

leaden birch
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what on earth

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whats vegetarian have to do

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so flora frenzy then?

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nvm thats secondary

lucid olive
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it doesn't matter for the game if its vegetarian or not

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its just funny

leaden birch
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oh

lucid olive
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L meat eaters

leaden birch
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vegetarian is whatever

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it's all about being vegan

lucid olive
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is there a vegetarian primary stat personal food

leaden birch
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impossibly royal roast

lucid olive
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yeah thanks

leaden birch
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wait nvm, thats main stat but only 50

lucid olive
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i'll add that to wowhead recommended

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oh yeah

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all the primary stat ones are 50

eager raft
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feasts mog personal food this expac

leaden birch
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yep, looks like champions bento is the only persy we should use

lucid olive
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no bento is secondary

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you want main stat food

leaden birch
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wait yeah you're right

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💤

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I'm just regarded and can't read

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so it's the impossible meat roast

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got it

lucid olive
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or the regular royal roast

leaden birch
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but vegetarian

eager raft
lofty depot
leaden birch
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yeah but I'm poor

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is the feast not more expensive to make

glacial steeple
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Feasts are like 300g

lofty depot
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Says the one using personal food and not raid food

glacial steeple
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Actually cheaper on the AH than to craft

leaden birch
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ye but I can just craft myself some cheap food for m+

pseudo stratus
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Hi, are the boomie 5 target sims to be trusted at this time? It shows emberwing feather as a 30+% upgrade which seems unbelievable

glacial steeple
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I made like 60 of the hearty persona food until it’s an actual push week

pseudo stratus
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Patchwerk 5 minute

lofty depot
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What fight is 5t 5m

glacial steeple
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That’s ST

lofty depot
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That doesn't mean u should but u can

glacial steeple
eager raft
glacial steeple
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No reading comprehension

glacial steeple
eager raft
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they’ve come down a lot in price at least

exotic perch
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Roots will keep going down ye

eager raft
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Was looking dire when they were 6K a piece

leaden birch
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i also enjoy me some hearty food because m+ = giga deaths sometimes

exotic perch
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It's a delve and m+ reagent

glacial steeple
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Sold mine ASAP, was a blessing

lofty depot
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Go down even more when u do 60 m+ in a week

eager raft
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Yeah I made like 80k off them first week

lofty depot
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M0 daily right now and it's between 1-3k

lucid olive
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people make item to level profession then sell item on AH to make some money back

glacial steeple
lofty depot
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AH isn't server based anymore no

lucid olive
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depends on the item i think

eager raft
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Well for some stuff it is

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Not for reagents tho

lofty depot
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Reagents no, ye thought so

lucid olive
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reagents should be region wide yeah

normal pilot
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multi target sims are more likely to have bugs so if one item is giving you 30% that's almost certainly a bug

glacial steeple
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Then in NA

lucid olive
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and honestly server wide BoEs and shit doesnt matter anymore either

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there are websites to track AH prices on every realm and just sort what realm is cheapest then make a character and buy item through warband

round field
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truea

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remove warbands

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ruining the economy

worldly flame
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i rolled on tier gloves accidentally wtf do i do now

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i am forsaken

glacial steeple
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Get 4 piece then replace the gloves

proven carbon
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how is balance in raid now? I feel like im underperforming. Probably mismanaging my cds though

glacial steeple
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And gaslight your guild into giving it to you first

glacial steeple
round field
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unless ur a stinky padder

glacial steeple
edgy quarry
lofty depot
worldly flame
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another leather user is upset spahgetti about my need roll

lofty depot
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So what

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Fuckem

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Probably some rogue rat

worldly flame
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nah some lame havoc dh

glacial steeple
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Havoc in 2026? They couldn’t figure out Devourer?

worldly flame
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yep

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thats what i said to him

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other item i got in raid were wraps of cosmic, its cool, i am happy

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still unsure of when to use it on a boss fight, before first eclipse? on pull? but ill figure it out

lofty depot
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Probably before foe

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But its a sim question and it's likely fucked

worldly flame
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yeah i treid but it just uh yeah..

glacial steeple
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It scales with haste right?

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First global of lust?

ruby iris
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is Occlusion/ Omission of Light Set bonus worth it versus another haste /mastery ring?

glacial steeple
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Haste/Mastery rings baby

ruby iris
glacial steeple
lofty depot
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If they're the same ilvl the set bonus

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We don't only want mastery/haste

ruby iris
lofty depot
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Should sim droptomizer and see ur upgrades before doing dungeons

rigid flame
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Anyone know if raid bots sims the ring set bonus proccing the eternal voidsong chain? Or how I can look to see myself?

lofty depot
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Wear all the items and look for the damage proc in the graph or HTML

prime hill
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Hey! Don't understand, wann try Nullaeus, but he cast every 20 sec, how i supposed to interrupt him 🙁

lofty depot
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Play eeler

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Or tank

void jacinth
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i think i had to do something like that in TWW S1

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before nerf

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or maybe Brann was just the goat and interrupted well

lucid olive
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No

void jacinth
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are we healers or something

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why take away our BASH

prime hill
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No, and in "?", he have a 50 sec cd on his cast, but not in "??". Maybe i need to reset it, and game think i'm in other spec

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Since i change inside

royal zenith
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who the hell cares about bash as a ranged

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smh

void jacinth
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blizzard changed cast time for boomkin interrupt in TWW on ??

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probably another oversight

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or like you took the talent that made it shorter cd

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and then blizz came and changed the fight so you didnt have to or something

lucid olive
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There's people who killed it as Moonkin, so if you're fully unable to kick the oneshot that wouldn't be true

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I got him to like 50% as Moonkin on like the 6 pulls I tried and could kick

copper gate
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Can’t wait to see more moonkin buffs this tuning

void jacinth
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i know math

lucid olive
void jacinth
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i'll heal

prime hill
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y it was the cast, i look again just now

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And he cast it like 20 sec after my cut 🙁

lucid olive
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He has another cast that just puts a debuff on you that Valeera insta dispels

tranquil gulch
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heyo, trying to do nullaeus ??, are there talents or strats that I should use to make it easier ?

prime hill
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The spell did like 2 millions

lucid olive
lucid olive
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The one you used the kick on

prime hill
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The first one is the same i cut

void jacinth
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maybe youre kicking the non-dangerous spell on accident right before the dangerous one

lucid olive
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Do you have proof

prime hill
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At start, like 10 sec after the fight begin

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I forgot kick at start

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Like 20 sec after

void jacinth
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je ne comprend pas

prime hill
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Same spell

lucid olive
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Those screenshots don't prove anything but sure

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I'm waiting for someone to post a video saying it's impossible before I believe it

void jacinth
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i looked for boomkin POV on ?? but the videos are all resto/guardian/cat

tranquil gulch
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is resto easier ? I'm playing heal usually but I thought dps was easier

lucid olive
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Yes healer is the easiest

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Valeera solos the boss

tranquil gulch
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with valeera tank ig ?

lucid olive
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It just takes a while

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Yeah

lusty echo
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On the council boss : when the 3 aren't stack, do we wrath in elune chosen spec or not ?

viral mirage
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Hello everybody, i was wondering if it was worth it to craft my weapon (staff) in 272, i got a staff 263 (haste/mastery) in m0 or do i craft offset items ?

lofty depot
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Do not use crests

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U craft a 259 staff, then upgrade it next week with myth crests

fossil flame
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Hey boys, how are you doing?

I took a pretty brief hiatus from the beginning of season three until recently

I played the beta and loved the changes, but how are we performing so far this expansion in your beautiful opinion

lofty depot
ocean atlas
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got some question non druid related, u know after defeating the last boss ur skybox changue on silver moon, any knows how i can skip all that on my alt? already talk to soridormi y dont have any dialoge

pure bear
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Vessel of tortured souls, hows it feel on raid fights?

lofty depot
lofty depot
fossil flame
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Yeah, for the war within I went boomie

For just about every other expansion, besides wrath of the Lich King, I was restoration

And I’ve been considering doing restoration again because that’s my love, but I had such a fun time playing boomy in the war within I was considering doing it again

fossil flame
lofty depot
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Antenna was fine for all the bosses except last 2 tbf

glacial steeple
fossil flame
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Probably gonna end up booming, but I just love healing

lofty depot
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U can press regrowth a few times to get the itch

glacial steeple
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Free Regrowth for speed

fossil flame
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Restoration felt really good in the beta

I liked all the pruning they did

viral mirage
lofty depot
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do u want a mythic staff next week or a poopy heroic one or w.e. that is

viral mirage
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this is not my question, i ask for this week

lofty depot
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well we look into the future here

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ur prepping ur self to be good the whole season

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soooooooooooo u ask ur self.... hmm do i want a big staff next week...... ok yes then i craft staff mmhm

viral mirage
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my actual staff is 263 haste/mastery so crafting a 259 isnt worth it or with embelish it's better

lofty depot
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how do u know its not worth it

viral mirage
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this is my question ffs

lofty depot
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well if ur asking dps difference.. u sim it with topgear

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but u should just craft it regardless because ur gonna use that staff NEXT WEEK

jolly delta
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if hes not going to use it this week

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then he should craft it next weekk

lofty depot
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maybe he will

glacial steeple
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Staff gonna be better for prog if you’re doing Mythic+ or Mythic Raid next week

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If you aren’t doin prog like that, do what you need to fill the spots

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Thug it out

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Gaslight your raid leader into feeding you tier

viral mirage
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i really think people only read what they want

lofty depot
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i really think u should sim it and see that ur staff is worse

viral mirage
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or am i asking it wrongly i dont know

lofty depot
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but i also think u shouldve crafted staff 2 days ago, but shrug

glacial steeple
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I crafted OH a few weeks ago

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Was nice

viral mirage
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just answering me "sim it" from the beginning would have been way better, anyway i'll sim it thank you

lofty depot
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well i usually do that but i felt like fixing ur crafts and telling u to craft instead cuz me smort

viral mirage
lofty depot
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usually saying "sim it" is me being an asshole

drifting nova
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always an arsehole

glacial steeple
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Always the asshole, never the bride smh

royal zenith
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And thats coming from me

lofty depot
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well an asshole should easily spot one

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mmhm mmhm

glacial steeple
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You guys should kiss

wild dune
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me first

lofty depot
glacial steeple
jolly delta
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paper did nothing wrong

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and bring back turtle etc etc

lofty depot
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What about glyph

red nymph
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@lucid olive under the rotation guide in dreamgrove, you can select 'touch of the cosmos' but is doesnt say how/when the procs should be used for ST.

lucid olive
red nymph
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is it still worth to spend touch of cosmos proc on SF because of better starweaver proc or just send SS on st?

glacial steeple
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I just send SS on ST

lofty depot
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U surge on st

raven gorge
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how useful is the new hotw for moonkin?

glacial steeple
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I use it to help healers when it hits the fan

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Also good for soaking

jolly delta
void jacinth
red nymph
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nice

jolly delta
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That too

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How are you doing luds

void jacinth
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i was absolutely dying an hour ago but now im high so time to int arena until im 1.6

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hbu?

jolly delta
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I just saw Vorasius's enrage in normal

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Could be better

void jacinth
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oof

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i dont think we beat the double dragons on HC

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before we ran out of time

red nymph
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to be fair

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he does have a pretty short enrage timer for a normal boss

void jacinth
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vinter reached his enrage timer before the boss

analog moat
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In mythics do you guys sit on your incarn until boss fights and only use eclipse for trash? Stuff dies so fast it seems a waste to incarn.

vital shard
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short question: am i right, that we use wrath for ascendant fire proc outside of ca/inc? or do we use always starfire also when we r not in ca/inc?

vital shard
void jacinth
jolly delta
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nah im a chill guy im vibing

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working on simcode in between pulls

void jacinth
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o7

analog moat
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Thanks.

void jacinth
jolly delta
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finished armory preview

void jacinth
vital shard
fathom blade
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I assume we cannot have a shoter beam then 45 sec right ?

fathom blade
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So

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boss ?? is fucked for us ?

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had 6 sec cd on my beam for the 2nd cast

teal coral
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you have roar that incapitates or whatever its called and typhoon +pushback

jolly delta
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go bear

unborn perch
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bear randomly gets hit for 600k

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that strike is so RNG its dumb

teal coral
unborn perch
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let me clarify

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it ranges from 30k to 600k

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so you dont know when the big one is

lofty depot
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"randomly"

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🙂

teal coral
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is it a cast?

lofty depot
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Yes lol

teal coral
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if you see it press a defensive

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simple as that

lofty depot
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3 irons pre frenzie if u want

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U have so much, just need to have shit rolling

sly wadi
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>play bear
>don't care

lofty depot
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U mean play healer

drifting nova
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can we just get renewal back

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hotw is so giga booty

fathom blade
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so u can't do it as balance

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GOOD JOB BLIZZARD

lofty depot
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U can

fathom blade
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How ?

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i cannot kick 2 spells

lofty depot
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U don't need to kick the first one

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Healer valeera dispels u

fathom blade
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its not the same spell

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she always dispell u

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the non kick does 1 Million damages

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cast every 40 sec

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Like

lofty depot
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People have killed it as moonkin so idk

fathom blade
round field
next tendon
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Im Trying the Tier ?? as boomie and i think its a bug cuz i get that aoe cast every 30 sec and

fathom blade
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for me u can't do it as a boomie if u can't kick every Emptiness of the Void

glacial steeple
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What if we tried los-inc the cast (I have not seen the fight yet)

next tendon
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I think its a bug, i think the Emptiness of the Void should be desgin to fit your interrupt

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so for boomie it should be 45 sec betwen the casts

lofty depot
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Is priest kick 45 too?

fathom blade
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barskin + bear form

lofty depot
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Or is it shorter

teal coral
fathom blade
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ggs not doable

red nymph
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F

twin lotus
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just pray for valera kick

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or does she not kick

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are u playing

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(have not tried it myself yet)

fathom blade
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ofc i tried it

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its 45 sec, we need a 40 sec kick

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for this boss

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or maybe 35

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idk

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again its a fucking L from blizzard

native wharf
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just do it as guardian
ez

fathom blade
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i did it with my rogue

next tendon
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I made a ticket about that Tier ?? And if its not a bug its really bad design

native wharf
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hit N

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lol

next tendon
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what u mean

native wharf
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joking about just going guardian druid and doing it as tank

next tendon
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haha yea

jolly delta
jolly delta
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If the cast doesn't then its a bug

drifting nova
fathom blade
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already solo it as a rogue so ff blizzard

drifting nova
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or just give chicken a real kick

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its been 3000 years

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(priest too I guess)#

glacial steeple
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But then we lose our unique kick identity!

inland sleet
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Hi guys, is there a way to track when orbit breaker is going to happen to aovid overcapping ?

drifting nova
drifting nova
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questioning if I even have orbit talented now

normal pilot
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just count the shooting stars in your head

pseudo merlin
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@royal zenith this guy out here constantly yapping about how bad wow is, meanwhile bro is delving non stop

drifting nova
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KAZZAK

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IT ALL MAKES SENSE

pseudo merlin
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get him kekkerton

glacial steeple
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I thought he doesn’t craft. , delves are different

drifting nova
pseudo merlin
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youre right

drifting nova
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dont even want to run m0s, shit never drops

royal zenith
timid rover
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Dragon boss keeper opener? Starsurge one of them?

pseudo merlin
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ya okay buddy

glacial steeple
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I triple star fall, but I’m a dirty pad machine

drifting nova
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did piss of saron change much

void jacinth
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no entry

drifting nova
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need to do the prequest?

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ok

void jacinth
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need to complete Icecrown campaign

drifting nova
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are you called luds after the luddites?

void jacinth
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too historical

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and insulting

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bye

lucid olive
lofty depot
sand blaze
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Hi all, I have some questions about rotation and openers. I'm having issues with managing my astral power which causes dps loss in m0/m+ scenarios. Should I wait to get my astral power capped before entering an eclipse? And how do you ppl cycle the eclipses? Two Incarnations followed by two regular eclipses or Incarnation > eclipse > incarnation > eclipse?

lofty depot
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  1. U shouldn't be capping asp. But prior to pressing eclipse ur dotting things which will gain asp. But yes u want asp.
  2. We might lunar send some starfalls then incarn but will see how it plays
drifting nova
tacit oriole
lofty depot
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What if they play EC

drifting nova
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the real spec

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the only spec

void jacinth
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not a spec

sand blaze
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yea im playinn elune for m+

tacit oriole
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You’re the expert

drifting nova
lofty depot
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No I'm not

sand blaze
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should i switch to keeper?

tacit oriole
sand blaze
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for m+

lofty depot
void jacinth
tacit oriole
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Naw

lofty depot
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See how it goes in m+

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Who knows

drifting nova
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(only on 2bosses tho)

cloud citrus
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boomiies always sandbaggin all the time

sand blaze
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micromanaging two moonfires at a time with fast paced big pulls is kinda hard too, if tank is body pulling with movement cd i can't start putting moonfires on the run because of aggro and when he pull gathered and I finally managed to put all the moonfires, mobs are already in %50 or even lower. But it''s m0 now, might get better with mobs with more hp in higher keys.

lofty depot
#

U can moonfire on the run

#

Tell the tank to stop body pulling like a rat

sand blaze
#

pug problems in first week

lofty depot
#

Ive been tanking since launch cuz bamkin beans.... But yea that's what some of my DPS have told me that I was doing they like lol

#

Making sure I actually hit mobs I run by

#

Also bear ezpz big dam surely has tank aggro

sand blaze
#

love when the prot pally press charge and run on the mobs without actually hittin them on the way

static sluice
#

Any idea how much ST Dps loss it is if I go for a "reduced buttons" build while getting back into Moonkin?
I'm thinking of playing Incarn and no Fury of Elune to get rid of Convoke and FoE

spiral hull
#

I think it would be more helpful to learn with all of the buttons. Incarn vs convoke is fine but not taking foe is kinda blegh

old falcon
#

Should you have 3 stacks of Starlord before casting invocation/eclipse?

I know that I want to get 3 stacks right back after casting invocation… but is there any reason I want to have 3 stacks up before I use it? Does it consume those stacks for any specific reason?

exotic perch
#

no it just resets the starlord stacks

#

you would waste a bunch of astral power if you buidl to 3 then hit eclipse

#

dont do that

old falcon
#

Cool thanks

exotic perch
#

1 min trees, 1 min foe, 2 min convoke 2 min ca (2 charges)

#

you just send the CA charges every minute

lucid olive
#

I usually try and follow right behind the tank and Moonfire mobs right after he tags them

#

just need to be efficient and don't panic when you get aggro on a random pisser mob

#

"Oh this mob just got angry at me after my Moonfire, how can I position myself now to make it as easy as possible for the tank to get aggro back?"

lofty depot
lucid olive
#

i should probably swap the recommended builds to do that instead

#

its basically dmg neutral..

#

easier to just line up 1m trees with 1m convoke

static sluice
exotic perch
#

yea 1 min convoke is easier then using foe true

#

helps with proccing dream burst too

lucid olive
#

yeah

#

can prob just take power of the dream as well instead of control

#

but that's also like pure ST

#

which no raid fights really are

royal zenith
#

1min convoke way less awkward to play for a lot of people

lucid olive
#

but is it far enough ahead from starweaver aoe builds on st to be taken on raid bosses

exotic perch
#

i was playing power of the dream with foe in that build last night

#

and starweaver for cosmos

#

felt pretty good

#

that fight is just so awkward forus

lucid olive
#

alleria?

exotic perch
#

ye

lucid olive
#

that fight bangs

#

havent done it heroic yet tho

exotic perch
#

i dont know if i like it

lucid olive
#

suppose not a lot of guilds have

exotic perch
#

heroic just felt strange to do dmg on

lucid olive
#

idk p1 is a banger

exotic perch
#

yea but starfalling the entire time is kinda troll in p1

lucid olive
#

nah

exotic perch
#

felt better the more we progged it to slam surges with that 1min cds into 2nd add with big dmg amp

#

then just starfall spam

royal zenith
#

I was checking logs

#

saw gamz perma starfalling p1

#

LMAO

clever vigil
#

gamz padding again wcyd

lucid olive
#

number 5 if you filter all bosses in p1

exotic perch
#

i pad like hell till 2nd add in p1 was at a few stacks

lucid olive
#

number 4 all bosses entire fight

royal zenith
#

on mythic it might be diffy though, might actually needs some spread cleave

exotic perch
#

then it was surges rest of phase

lucid olive
#

just stand between the mob you're hitting and the mob you're gonna hit next

#

dot both mobs before sending CDs on pull

royal zenith
#

why is this trinket that we got through renown so strong..

exotic perch
#

ye you realistically hit only 2 at a time

#

standing in middle is very scary if you get a random pool it fucks the entire platform

lucid olive
exotic perch
#

i dont get gear so gamz must be special

royal zenith
#

it's crazy they are giving that to a boomkin

stone ledge
#

But do you have 4p

royal zenith
#

ngl

lucid olive
#

nah just 2pc

stone ledge
#

I’m fed

lucid olive
#

we had 2 leather mains in my split

exotic perch
#

ah we dont do splits

#

we had 1 piece of leather tier drop in all of normal and heroic

lucid olive
#

4 leather tier pieces dropped, 2 shoulders and 2 legs with 1 of each difficulty

exotic perch
#

and like 1 other leather gear

lucid olive
#

so we just gave heroic shoulder and normal legs to rogue and vice versa

exotic perch
#

our plate people got stacked tho

royal zenith
#

Ill be honest

#

I have no clue how the gearing system works rn

#

in regards to like tier

lucid olive
#

tier is armor type

#

much better for setting up splits lmao

lofty depot
exotic perch
#

yeah its by type now not a mix match of classes like it used to be

lofty depot
#

We only had 1 vaelgors drop :/

lucid olive
#

we had 1 normal vaelgor and 1 heroic

#

was between me and the evoker

#

but moonkin not swapping that trinket out until the same trinket on mythic

lofty depot
#

They wait to give me the normal one after we killed vaelgors... Surely that means I was prio on the hero one

#

So locked

royal zenith
#

we talking devastation evoker?

lucid olive
#

think lucky plays both

#

hes our only evoker dps

royal zenith
#

cause that class is just extreme value atm

#

might cop a nerf

#

(also; they can't keep getting away with it)

#

the new mages

lucid olive
#

i just sent 3 moonkins cause i dont wanna get talked into evoker again

#

leaving my evoker at lvl 80

royal zenith
#

Id play evoker but

#

the range is cringe

#

and squishy

lucid olive
#

i was hitting some target dummies in prepatch and it felt horrendous

royal zenith
#

oh sorry, according to Max it's the most tanky class in the game if played correctly!

lucid olive
#

I usually choose my split alts on the "what class can I reroll into if its needed for prog" angle

#

but i am too busy with irl shit this tier so just went 3 moonkins

royal zenith
#

at least one should at least get some good gear??

lucid olive
#

yeah my main

#

I sent full sparks and shit on my 3rd druid cause it was only gonna get played this week

royal zenith
#

okay but this shit about "my main"when you have 3 boomkins

lucid olive
#

the 2nd one I'm pacing out more

royal zenith
#

has got to go

lucid olive
#

that just depends on the split

static sluice
# lucid olive no its just this

Thanks. That seems like a nice compromise. Especially if it is DMG neutral.

Dumb qestion but I can not find an opener section in the dreamgrove guide. Should I go straight into CA or start with Eclipse?

lucid olive
#

ctrl+f "opener" in dreamgrove compendium

#

click the header and open it

static sluice
#

Wow I must have read past this like a dozen times ...

polar plume
#

Which of all these dummies is the raid training dummy st?

lucid olive
#

Silvermoon dummies suck

polar plume
#

where do I go then

lucid olive
#

if you want a ST dummy go to Belameth or Dornogal

#

or inside the Quel'danas raid whenever it launches in 2 weeks

dull dust
sterile comet
#

Why do they suck?

dull dust
#

I will get away with it

lucid olive
#

if you starfall and hit one of the PVP dummies then your CA/Incarn won't last as long (probably some pvp talent causing it idk anything about pvp)

sterile comet
#

Ah I see.

dull dust
#

basicly impossible to get decent dummy numbers as balancr

lucid olive
#

ST dummy in Belameth

dull dust
#

or realistic i should say

nimble tangle
#

Yes SILVERMOON sucks ass

dull dust
#

but aoe is the only metric

royal zenith
#

see, says enough you thought I meant mages

#

!!

dull dust
#

I did mean mages

#

I didnt read ur whole thing

royal zenith
#

mages mc syndrom confirmed

dull dust
#

I am turbo mc

#

even if it wasn't a mage I'd be the mc

royal zenith
#

(turbo delusional)

dull dust
#

me frfr

royal zenith
#

yooo same

#

hmm what

#

is worth doing in between raids

cloud citrus
#

ATM Preys/Delves

royal zenith
#

think I did nightmare on druid

#

finishing up delves

#

and then alt mi guessing

tall gale
#

Hello idk if i am being bad or not im doing around 100k on the dummys with 234, but when i do m0 with my friend (ele shamn, unholy dk) they do SO MUCH more dmg like reaching 200k/300k in some packs, and now im confused if i am bad or what is it 🥲

#

Any thoughts?

royal zenith
#

thoughts are

#

extreme burst versus ramp spec

#

mobs dont live for long enough

#

etc.

tall gale
#

So when the season starts i should be able to start catching up in the dmg ?

#

(I have been playing guardian since ever and its the 1st time trying balance)

royal zenith
#

eh, depends, we will see

#

really depends on what happens with tuning

#

but with mobs that live longer you will actually get some time to do damage

lucid olive
drifting nova
dull dust
lucid olive
#

L

#

thought youre saying youre a rapper

royal zenith
#

start juggling eclipse and lunar/solar bolts

royal zenith
#

for the REAL burst..

lucid olive
#

solar and lunar bolt should not be guaranteed crits

drifting nova
#

guaranteed crits are just to hide the fact they do piss damage

lucid olive
#

yes

dull dust
#

I love just pressing eclipse for fun before Incarn to burst ever so slightly higher

lucid olive
#

also makes 0 sense for your first dmg event inside BOAT to be a guaranteed crit

dull dust
drifting nova
#

I wish you could overpower the eclipses

dull dust
#

u heard me kekkerboy

drifting nova
#

lemme double eclipse b2b

royal zenith
#

start off in solar, cast eclipse, abuse insta starfire and get into lunar, press eclipse again, abuse insta starfire

#

??

#

PROFIT?

drifting nova
#

wtf is solar

#

not heard of that button

royal zenith
#

secret tech

#

you wouldnt know

drifting nova
#

not seen the sun in a long time

royal zenith
#

missing out on E's

drifting nova
#

dw next patch they'l replace the shitty bolts

#

with goldrinn

#

and all will be fine

lucid olive
#

AWOOOO

royal zenith
drifting nova
#

only way that talent gets seen

royal zenith
#

to be fair

#

it's actually the most noticable and fun talent..

drifting nova
#

yeah but it does fuck all

royal zenith
#

apart from convoke

drifting nova
#

and is in zero builds

royal zenith
#

but convoke is yuckie

lucid olive
#

yeah it just has a sound and thats cool

drifting nova
#

is there a st ec build yet

#

I'm too dumb to cook

#

sound?

#

spose I play soundless so

lucid olive
#

I remember going up to the Goldrinn mob in Amirdrassil and kneeling in front of it to get good procs

royal zenith
#

seems you play brainless too...

#

gottem

drifting nova
#

ahem I beat the other druid yday

royal zenith
#

arent you a wayor

drifting nova
#

well yes but no

#

idk both my guilds raid on the same 2 days

lucid olive
#

is bloomkin out here killing bosses

drifting nova
#

only done druid so far

#

cba pugging on other chars

#

mightve also been a little low ilvl for the raid

#

but is easy

drifting nova
royal zenith
#

deuxb

#

go for it

drifting nova
#

dooby?

royal zenith
#

I genuinely have grey/green parses

#

but I dont mind

drifting nova
#

manually looked like 2 bosses ..no one logged smh

royal zenith
#

yeah we done 2 heroic bosses cause splits

#

2 nm clears

#

only 2 day raiding so dont have a lot of time

#

although technically first 2 weeks 3 days..

still iris
#

wth is going on with marksman, dude on vanguard doing 130k dps here

drifting nova
#

didnt think I'd get the drag boss, that shit is LONG

weak rain
#

hi when i play with fluid form and cast starfire from lets say bear form, do i still get the 10% more magic dmg from shifting into boomie or does that cast not count?

weak rain
#

mhm, is it still worth saving the gcd? 😒

lucid olive
#

i suppose depends on the cast

#

if its starfire probably not

#

if its wrath yeah probably worth it

weak rain
#

ok nice

polar plume
lucid olive
#

the new nelf capital after dragonflight

#

use dreamwalk if you have it

#

then look back left and go to the portal that has the "Amirdrassil Gatewarden" or whatever in front of them (could be something other than Gatewarden, but they deifnitely say Amirdrassil)

#

and then fly to the center of the little village and theres a single target dummy next to a house

lofty depot
lucid olive
#

yeah

#

it got tainted by rwf raiders

lofty depot
#

Real

drifting nova
#

I thought balameth was a hoax

lofty depot
#

Nah, used to just be the boomkins

#

Now u get all these other rats

lucid olive
#

used to be the gang hitting dummies

drifting nova
#

surely that means nelfs get a new starting zone

lofty depot
#

Nah, gonna be blood elfs lil gup

#

Darkwell

drifting nova
#

oh that gate isnt marked wtf

#

blizzord

lucid olive
#

yeah cause its added after legion

#

wonder if theyre gonna add harandar

#

or already did

polar plume
drifting nova
#

are there no maps after legion?

lucid olive
#

yes

dull dust
#

gamz did u make boomkin great again yet

drifting nova
#

never did finish that weekly in amir maybe I'll do that

#

wait this isnt..where the raid is

lucid olive
#

if you knew the lore youd know that

drifting nova
#

I dont know shit

#

so wheres the raid

#

with the zone

lucid olive
#

in the emerald dream

drifting nova
#

what sword?

lucid olive
#

the portal is in Valdrakken

drifting nova
#

ok but from balameth

lucid olive
#

mmm theres a portal on the far west side of Dragon Isles

#

between Belameth and the mainland

#

the Amirdrassil raid and zone was in the Emerald Dream where they were cultivating and growing a new world tree after Sylvanas lit the old one on fire

#

and after the raid when we killed Fyrakk they brought the world tree to the real world

drifting nova
#

just reminded me I've yet to buy a house

#

idkw hy

dull dust
#

isn't there a portal in stormwind and org straight there

drifting nova
#

why in christ is that boat on the sword pier

lucid olive
#

in Org maybe not since belameth originally alliance zone

drifting nova
#

TO GILNEAS

lucid olive
#

but in Stormwind yeah there is

#

but using Dreamwalk to get there is faster as a druid

dull dust
#

horde scum

drifting nova
#

make it make sense

dull dust
drifting nova
#

why is there a boat to gilneas

#

from meth town

dull dust
#

cocain wolves

drifting nova
#

actually think it's a fake boat

#

it just doesnt have a boat

#

??

#

boat was cut content gg

#

theres broken npcs tho bobbing up and down

copper valve
#

Heya, just a quick question:
I noticed the Compendium says to use Wrath if I'm outside Eclipse for Elune's in ST. Is it because of the shorter cast time that it's preferred over Starfire?

drifting nova
#

was written by ai, ignore

copper valve
#

That's funny OMEGALOOOOOOL

royal zenith
#

just does more dam

#

good thing its also faster caster

#

casting*

drifting nova
#

guess where wrath used to be

copper valve
#

Button 4 OMEGALOOOOOOL

drifting nova
#

HUH disrespecting typhoon wtf

copper valve
copper valve
lofty depot
drifting nova
#

tf do you mean what are those

#

THEMS YOUR BUTTONS

lofty depot
#

Noooo

tardy hare
#

Did they break sims? I sim 5k less than yesterday

gaunt lantern
#

clearly you just do less dps on friday

lofty depot
#

Idk, r u doing 5k less than yesterday

tardy hare
#

My trees dont shoot moonfire anymore on sim 😄

#

or melee

royal zenith
#

yeahh

#

pick nightly I guess

#

happened for me too

normal pilot
#

oh unlucky link the sim

tardy hare
#

Yup. 7k more dps on nightly

royal zenith
#

there you go

royal zenith
#

nice info regular arctic

normal pilot
#

what's 5k 7k when it's all bench spec

little matrix
#

do people generaly think that current balance is a fun iteration?

wild dune
#

i do

royal zenith
#

50/50

tardy hare
#

not really. I don't like procs

normal pilot
#

idk about fun it's a bit better than before but might be not good enough to be fun for some

dull dust
#

I have druids

dull dust
#

in my basement

lucid olive
abstract fjord
#

quick question, do we still starfall on 2 targets?

dull dust
#

penis gone

granite crystal
#

Is Chiamerus still bugged with the convoke build ?

lucid olive
#

until someone says otherwise

gaunt lantern
#

tbh I haven't played enough to have a great opinion, but currently I don't think its worse than old balance but I also don't think its better

royal zenith
#

sim had enough

dull dust
#

gamz sim break smh

normal pilot
#

it's just prepping for the mythic week nerfs

lucid olive
#

W

dull dust
little matrix
dull dust
#

they gunna rip the moonfire dmg reduced

#

watch

loud kettle
#

was in notes + i checked a bunch of recent feral logs and no bug

lucid olive
#

patchwerk just became a fountain boss

#

treants tend to bug out with those anyway

royal zenith
lucid olive
#

biggest upside with treant moonfire is the saved globals

normal pilot
#

ok should be fixed ~5m

dull dust
#

the Blizzard classic nerf would be random spell nerf and write above it we would like to tone down balances spread damage

lucid olive
#

and another lunar calling buff

dull dust
royal zenith
#

imagine the riot

#

if EC is best on ST

sly wadi
#

riot cancelled - cast time too long

dull dust
#

id trade my soul for convoke to have the same spells every time

royal zenith
lucid olive
#

if the raid had like a Rashok or Fractillus youd probably play EC Convoke

royal zenith
#

stop it

dull dust
#

well the wall boss is close enough

normal pilot
#

EC convoke is banned why would you add more buttons to EC

#

its bad enough you're forced to take foe

dull dust
#

gotta make it take fon

dull dust
#

does the bird have pure st

lucid olive
dull dust
#

I blame gas

#

needs to sacrifice more ram to the sim gods

loud kettle
#

There is a Phoenix add that spawns (only 1 of them) sometimes

dull dust
#

arms warrior fight

lucid olive
#

and the boss becomes an egg in the intermission and you have to kill it or he respawns for another phase

#

and thats like 2 minutes ish i think

dull dust
#

egg

royal zenith
#

btw

#

surely that illeria fight or w.e.

#

has you doing something in inmtermission

dull dust
#

cosmos

royal zenith
#

on hc

loud kettle
#

no

lucid olive
#

no

#

boss still immune

royal zenith
#

there's no way

lucid olive
royal zenith
#

you just chill there

#

dodging stuff

loud kettle
#

Yep

royal zenith
#

eating arrows

#

thats tragic

lucid olive
#

thats travel form tech

dull dust
#

surely on mythic tho

loud kettle
#

Surely...

sly wadi
#

secret mechanics on mythic+ raid

#

gotta slam that keystone

lucid olive
#

didnt blizzard say that the way the Alleria and L'ura fights scale with difficulty couldnt be possible without the addon prune

#

think i remember that from the poddyc interview

royal zenith
#

you

dull dust
#

the fuck

royal zenith
#

will just have to dodge more orbs

#

"scaling difficulty"

merry crow
#

The only thing I remember them saying is that one of L'ura mechanics would not be possible without the addons purge.

dull dust
#

is that supposed to mean

#

intermission gunna make u make a star

lucid olive
royal zenith
#

I was born a star..

bronze topaz
#

Does anyone else have the issue of the delve boss casting the interrupt cast every 35 sec instead of 45 or does blizzard hate me in particular?

lucid olive
#

yes

royal zenith
#

do you want the real answer?

#

or the nice one..

lucid olive
#

they hotfixed the boss so that the kick would scale with the different kick CDs of specs

#

but messed up solar beam

normal pilot
#

user error play bear

royal zenith
#

thats actually hilarious btw

bronze topaz
#

fuck me then, ig I just afk 20 minute in resto spec

royal zenith
#

LOL

dull dust
#

the get hit in order one on lura is probably what they mean

lucid olive
#

that hotfix was on thursday and all the complaints started happening after that

#

so thats the most plausible answer

#

maybe they think moonkin kick is 30 seconds

dull dust
#

it is

royal zenith
#

maybe they will make it 30 seconds

#

in the next patch?

#

😮 : O

normal pilot
#

it's 45s with talent so if you talent again it's 30s

flat pewter
#

Just duo it

#

That’s how I got my achievement

normal pilot
#

isn't hof closed anyways

flat pewter
#

Yeah but I got Hof with my friend

dense steeple
dull dust
#

do i get cresties if I dont solo it

delicate perch
#

Yes

dense steeple
#

You dont get the mount tho

dull dust
#

good thing idc about mounts

snow elm
#

for my 2nd incarn, should i wait until my eclipse drops off before using it, or just use it when trees is up again

lofty depot
#

depends if ur using control

dense steeple
#

Arctic i purple parse vanguard are you proud of me

lofty depot
#

very hard boss

#

gj

dense steeple
#

I dont play EC

#

I hate it

spice roost
#

has anyone tested convoke on chirmeras since blizzard said they fixed it

drifting nova
dense steeple
#

Ec is ass

drifting nova
#

no u

dense steeple
#

Are you even 90 yet

drifting nova
#

woah there buster

#

two

#

respec it

high finch
#

I want boomy coaching whos some of the best boomy i can higher

lucid olive
#

looking forward to see if its actually any fun or not lmao

lucid olive
spice roost
merry crow
#

interesting

dawn surge
high finch
#

as many stars in starfall

dawn surge
#

i was srs

drifting nova
dawn surge
#

im at 315x5 rn

high finch
#

all boomy players are roided up look at that one bodybuilding EU boomy

lucid olive
#

you mean the one who hasnt played for 3 seasons