balance

[spice roost]

hunt

[wanton coyote]

❤️

thx

[vivid quiver]

hunt is like the best one overall

i think

[jaunty blaze]

nah boomie better

[spice roost]

lol

[vivid quiver]

xd

[royal zenith]

wrong

not even top 4

be real!!

[jaunty blaze]

😔

[lofty depot]

Not top 4.... Yet

Just gotta find more damage with EC convoke rattle

[nimble tangle]

Don’t tell me we will have to use EC for raid too

[drifting nova]

how much to get woe back

[nimble tangle]

I already saw Chinese website recommending EC raid build

[distant oasis]

Plz no Starfire spam

[primal mirage]

pretty sure it is going to suck with low haste

[drifting nova]

another dungeon and no wep, god I hate mh/oh

[reef ocean]

Good thing we craft a 2h early

[drifting nova]

I dont do that

smh

[nimble tangle]

Yes i took ages to cast right now on dummy

Soooo slow

[reef ocean]

Prob should

[kindred token]

Guide, please?

[spice roost]

check pins

[kindred token]

Its already season 1 tho?

[spice roost]

no its not

[reef ocean]

Next week

[primal mirage]

technically we are still pre-season lol

[kindred token]

xD

[loud kettle]

m+ season hasnt started 📝

[primal parcel]

Anyone know when should I expect the sim profile to include today's balance changes?

[normal pilot]

there are no profiles

but if you mean simc/raidbots it updates when the game updates

[drifting nova]

longest preseason ever

[lofty depot]

If u want the guide done, surely pinging gamz will get it done faster

[kindred token]

I don't know how to do that

[drifting nova]

@kindred token like so just gamz

[lucid olive]

shirley

[normal pilot]

i wonder if claude can do it

it just tell it to base it off of wowhead

[kindred token]

He replied lol

[lofty depot]

That's not a good thing

That means u wasted his time

[red nymph]

Is the m0 bump to champion track this week or next?

[lofty depot]

This week

[sturdy pumice]

this

[drifting nova]

next

[red nymph]

That only happens when season starts. Checkmate

[mental mulch]

elune siming +1k over keepers, weird:S

[red nymph]

Vanilla and kekkers are in cahoots

[lofty depot]

It's not weird, it was better last tier

[wet kraken]

Is this in BiS?

[lofty depot]

Yes

[tacit oriole]

servers are up

[lofty depot]

Sims aren't practical raid environment

[tacit oriole]

holy

[mental mulch]

is it better to play elune in raid with giga low haste tho,

during movement it might suffer a lot

[lofty depot]

Servers up holy

[red nymph]

Blizzard early?

[lofty depot]

Why do u have giga low haste

[mental mulch]

early expansion

[lofty depot]

I have 18% so what

L gearing

I have a triple what I had last tier

[mental mulch]

have arround 17haste, havent played previous tier, still i think keepers is go to lets see

[lofty depot]

17% isn't low

[red nymph]

how do i combined the coffer key shards if they are only showing in the currency tab?

[balmy light]

gaze is ass

[red nymph]

NA beta test?

oh nvm they combine when you enter a delve

what a weird way of going about it

[high vapor]

is dreamgrove guide updated? on top it says Updated: 17th of March, 2026 but on the rotation has a warning that is currently being updated

[wind ridge]

[rose yew]

so, boomie after the buffs or feral, guys?

[slender island]

there will likely be an updated pin when the guide is up to date and ready for reading

[reef ocean]

It is if you're good enough

[jaunty blaze]

go ahead do it then

[reef ocean]

Nah, sims aren't practical in a raid environment

[jaunty blaze]

[sterile comet]

what is the difference in numbers for convoke or chosen?

[serene hound]

Someone has infos what in m0 dropps now itemlvl wise?

[slender island]

"latest" simc build in raidbots include our buffs, right?

[dense steeple]

Champion level

[restive jolt]

journal still shows vet

[dense steeple]

Well blizzard said m0 will be champ track as of today

Smol indie

[restive jolt]

event though its spose to be champ

[normal pilot]

they might've broken orbit breaker while trying to fix the set aoe proccing it on hit

added a 0.1s icd which mean if two diff shs from two diff dots land at same time it might only coutn as 1

[queen valve]

guys the compendium is updated?

[lucid olive]

Balance Druid Compendium has been updated for Season 1.
https://www.dreamgrove.gg/blog/balance/compendium

Remember to also check out #1473018731687841853 and read the FAQ.

Other useful guides:
Wowhead
Icyveins

[maiden pasture]

W Gamz

The goat

[dense steeple]

My guy said he'd post it when content is available

[maiden pasture]

Someone buy him a coffee

[dense steeple]

And you post it 7 days early

[lucid olive]

no that was sune

[grim crater]

anyone have the chance to try the new changes?? what are they like??

[maiden pasture]

Soma elitist?!?!?

Not respecting normal and HC raiders?!?!?

Smh

[dense steeple]

Last night I was griefed by a normal raider for 2.5 hours while fishing

I no longer have respect for the plebs

[lucid olive]

please read over the rotation stuff in there and lmk if i forgot to change a line

[dense steeple]

He was chasing me around, forcing me in combat with his blood hunters so that I would kill them and give him free fish

And everytime I told him to cut it off he'd just tell me to move ||then proceed to follow where I moved||

[lucid olive]

i didn't re-write the rotation part and edited the old one instead so might have forgot something

[dense steeple]

I also reported him for disruption of gameplay for every fish he forced me to kill, I reported him 117 times before I sharded away from him

[uncut roost]

Why didn't you just buy the fish off the AH?

[dense steeple]

Im not fishing for fish

[uncut roost]

But that's where the fish are

[small belfry]

surely you take the free hero crests, yeah?

[dense steeple]

I'm fishing for that dumbass nether drake egg

[uncut roost]

What else could you be getting!?

[dense steeple]

I have 6200 casts so far

[exotic perch]

him putting you in combat to kill the mob for him is diabolical

def reportable lol

[dense steeple]

Well I reported him 117 times and nothing came of it

[lucid olive]

Starsurge got a little extra buff more than the overrides

[lofty depot]

Post your logs so I know if youre good enough

[dense steeple]

And if he would get in combat with it he would just invis until it reset and attacked me

[maiden pasture]

Probably vet, they count towards cap and all except vet crests you get just from doing the stuff you're going to do anyway

[lofty depot]

Aura check

[lucid olive]

aura is 31

so rounded up

[lofty depot]

W

[lucid olive]

but uuh

our override on Starfall was wrong?

[lofty depot]

Not the double pet one?

[lucid olive]

our override was 0.22192

[slate thicket]

hey US ppl. Whats the min ilvl for lfr?

[lucid olive]

live is 0.2176

[exotic perch]

id suggest updating the first line to be like the other 2

[lucid olive]

0.253 -> 0.2176

[exotic perch]

solar on 1 and 2

[lofty depot]

Yikes

[edgy quarry]

Wow man you are the best !

[copper gate]

Is this the compendium

[lucid olive]

@normal pilot sanity check here pls

[lucid olive]

i'll put it on the todo list

[normal pilot]

wha

which spell

[royal zenith]

you're the sanity check gas..

you're not supposed to ask questions

[exotic perch]

and that last part unless you are using starweaver id just point to how that changes

[lucid olive]

starfall

280158

[normal pilot]

it's .2176

but also 280158 isn't the correct starfall idk if you were using that for some referenced onthe guide

[lucid olive]

#starfall override.spell_data=effect.280158.sp_coefficient=0.22192 yeah we had this

[normal pilot]

oh the effect id

[lucid olive]

yeah its the one that got changed according to the spelldatadump

Hotfixed : SP Coefficient (0.253 -> 0.2176)

[normal pilot]

oh you guys did wrongmath

[lucid olive]

yeah figured

[normal pilot]

14% nerf means * 0.86 not / 1.14 in blizzmath

[lucid olive]

guess thats another hit to weaver

[royal zenith]

down with the weaver

[normal pilot]

unlucky

EC rising?

[royal zenith]

oh

up with the weaver

[normal pilot]

otoh thye buffed the cascade surge too

[maiden pasture]

Wtf is a cascade

[lucid olive]

I think thats also why Wrath is worth casting outside of Eclipse

it procs star cascade

[lofty depot]

We're not gonna have fun r we

[normal pilot]

ya idk why they made wrath proc it also

[lofty depot]

Weaver getting worse

[lucid olive]

cause the tier set worked off wrath

and theyre lazy

[normal pilot]

oh the tww set?

[lucid olive]

ye

copy pastin

[normal pilot]

well now pp lcan't complain about starfire cast time anymore

play EC cast wrath

[lofty depot]

Why couldn't they copy paste the stellar amp flag

[normal pilot]

best of both worlds

[lofty depot]

Mother fucks

[jaunty blaze]

[craggy sonnet]

oh?

[loud kettle]

feral got buffed by more than I expected (:

(they buffed autos too)

[craggy sonnet]

is simc already updated?

[loud kettle]

ya

[craggy sonnet]

so overrides no longer required

[lucid olive]

i pushed apl with better trees earlier too

[high vapor]

may I ask about the guide. Should I use Incarnation if already in an eclipse?

[lucid olive]

If thats when youre using treants yes

[high vapor]

okie thanks, wanted to be sure

[gaunt lantern]

.

[lucid olive]

me when I walk into Crown of the Cosmos and p1 is a 3 target spread cleave fight

[nimble tangle]

so household weekly

[jaunty blaze]

is there any liquid boomie pov rn actually

[nimble tangle]

heoric crests?

[jaunty blaze]

(as if anyone plays it)

[lucid olive]

you mean the resto druid guild

[jaunty blaze]

maybe krona or canexx tomorrow

[fiery kindle]

[copper gate]

[dense steeple]

boomy cant even play nullaeus hof race

[maiden pasture]

yoink

[lucid olive]

@wicked shuttle©

[upper cosmos]

I am wanting to play as balance later on. Right now I am going to be doing delves as guardian. should I just keep my loot as balance spec or should I swap it over to guardian and only put it on balance for the bountiful delves. Just wondering because I am curious if it being balance loot means I won't get stronger to do the higher tier delves

[jaunty blaze]

that only matters for trinkets and weapons

[upper cosmos]

ah okay might as well as be in guardian spec for loot until I do a bountiful delve. Question on bountiful, is there a tier cutoff where doing any bountiful at a higher tier does not give better gear.

[jaunty blaze]

it maxes out on tier 8 afaik

and once per week you can get a map item to loot a hero tier loot piece

but i think you have to progress the delve journey a bit to get those

[upper cosmos]

Should said map be used in a bountiful delve?

[normal pilot]

at least set to feral loot if you wnat a bear weapon

[jaunty blaze]

ideally yes

[normal pilot]

tank trinkets are mostly pointless

and some feral trinkets can be used as balance

[upper cosmos]

Thank you going to do that

[long marsh]

You're either going to be doing 8's or 11's. 8 for bountiful chests/vault. 11's x 4 for gilded crests.

[lofty depot]

There are some good delve trinkets

[jaunty blaze]

👀

[upper cosmos]

So... I have a weekly that lets me choose what crests I want, I should pick hero obviously right?

[lofty depot]

Would only matter if they didn't count towards the cap

[jaunty blaze]

no you get a hero tier piece of loot

[jade jacinth]

This build is under raid... is it bis for ST?

[jaunty blaze]

the crests are based on the delve tier level

[jaunty blaze]

oh you mean a quest

[lofty depot]

Keeper incarn/convoke are close but convoke is better. There's also no st bosses

[jaunty blaze]

i mean you can take them if you like

[lucid olive]

read what it says above the talents

[ornate anchor]

Not sure if mistake or just not other options but noticed some of the talents taken by the build (talent build string) are in red as "Never Take". Is the build still correct ignoring the red circled Never Take talents?

[jade jacinth]

I'm sorry to be really annoying here, what build do i go for ST and what build for m+?

[lucid olive]

yeah ignore the colors on that one

i'll fix it

[jade jacinth]

convoke? and what?

[lucid olive]

flip a coin

[ornate anchor]

kk, thanks 🙂

[lucid olive]

can probably just do keeper convoke build

more like what you played in war within

[jade jacinth]

this is my current m+ / multi target build, is this ok? 🙂

[upper cosmos]

well I got a WARBOUND epic, that is offhand so if I find a mainhand my blance druid is set for a while!

[lofty depot]

"multi-targe build"

If ur playing in raid, not likely

But sure m+ when that comes out

[lucid olive]

idk do this instead CYGAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWoMbNMmZgxsMzMzMLMgZZmlZWMzMWYZmlxMjxGGAMW2mZwY2GBmAAAAswMzMD2MmxYAAYmBGA

[jade jacinth]

that is for m+ sir gamz?

[lofty depot]

Except that's beans

[lucid olive]

yes

[jade jacinth]

ok thanks sir

[upper cosmos]

Better than what I currently have which is nothing

Not expecting to find the rolls of the gods on day 1 mate

[lofty depot]

U could craft the god staff

[ornate anchor]

Killer Instinct in class tree I assume is for the armor, thinking that is more valuable than 2 other choices? Such as UrsVigor or Lycara's Insp or Astral Influence for example?

[upper cosmos]

If I find a good enough MH could I not instead use those sparks for my armor?

[lofty depot]

Those don't equal out

[dreamy cove]

wasn't there some other cdr for CA before? Did that get removed?
edit: in hero tree

[lofty depot]

Weapon crafts are generally the best thing u can make. There's many guides on crafting and gearing

[lofty depot]

Potent used to

And whirling used to be 100s not 60

[dreamy cove]

o I see, big changes

[lofty depot]

Massive

[delicate perch]

I love wasting crests only to equip vers gear

[dusk coral]

i'm reading the compendium but should i press starfall with cosmos proc on ST (kotg build) ?

[lucid olive]

not anymore

starfall got nerfed, starsurge got buffed

[dusk coral]

🙏

[lofty depot]

Kindling or

[tacit sky]

we thinking elunes chosen is bis this raid?

[ornate anchor]

For the rotation ST, I get using the 3 Ascendant Stars right away, but if running the KotG Incarn build, if you get a Starweaver proc from the 3x Starsurges, do you ignore until after the 3x surges or use the proc immediately?

[lofty depot]

o7

2t cosmos procs unforch

[flat pewter]

Damn, just woke up and logged in anyone else feel roughly 19% better at playing boomy?

[lofty depot]

It's less prob, kek

[flat pewter]

What’s less

[lofty depot]

Would use it as the third press prob depends how much asp u have

[lofty depot]

Starfall nerf was wrong numby

[lucid olive]

no its probably more if you compare old rattle convoke to new rattle convoke

[flat pewter]

I just feel like I’m playing 19% better what does that have to do with nerfs

[lucid olive]

real

[lofty depot]

Doubt it

[inner plover]

@lucid olive this is bugged i guess

[drifting nova]

if I was 19% better after those previous dungeons

ima need be nerfed

[royal zenith]

bugged yeah..

[lucid olive]

whats bugged about it

ohj

[royal zenith]

they dont know..

[lucid olive]

i see it

[dreamy cove]

is it foe because I was wondering if there's some trick I'm missing

before checking here

[tawny linden]

How to set Twintops to split astral power, health and mana? Everything seems overlapped and be triggerd by combat, out combat or shapeform

[lucid olive]

yeah i removed the first one

[lofty depot]

Go into the settings and turn it on always, turn off healthbar or manabar, can turn of changing based on form

[inner plover]

still showing FOE instead of Trees in trees build

[lucid olive]

yeah that was a test and you passed!

[inner plover]

lovely 😄

[cobalt junco]

i reread im a dummy XD sorry about that.

[tawny linden]

I thought it to be more straightforward, but looks less user friendly than I expected

[lofty depot]

Just a lot of reasing

[drifting nova]

@lucid olive bodo been believing your sim hopium? wtf is thisa

[lofty depot]

Usually setting up UI the day of or day before patch isn't the brightest

[lofty depot]

Don't worry, the sim is going higher

[rough marten]

anyone try ?? yet as boomy

[lofty depot]

Maybe Thursday or Friday

When there isn't more important things to do

[rough marten]

yea thats my plan, i just heard that it was rough on non tanks

[stoic grotto]

am i understanding correctly that in kotg we dont use foe outside of just before trees?

[lofty depot]

That's usually the case without gear

[tawny linden]

Ah yes, of course. My actual UI is fine, just wanted to add some extras that twintops provides

[lofty depot]

U typically use your CDs together yes

But there's times where u send foe in the middle of incarn

Rather than at the start

[stoic grotto]

on st is what i mean

[lofty depot]

Example... The 1m incarn

[stoic grotto]

im not sure i understand

[stoic grotto]

is it in the timeline for a quick sim? so i can check the robot for what you mean

[lucid olive]

yes

[lofty depot]

Had to find a non convoke fuckig. Sim cuz that's all I get linked

[jade jacinth]

Sorry to be a pain, should i make my staff on reset? 😄 with the Darkmoon Sigil: Hunt ? 🙂

[lofty depot]

Did u read the guide

The answer is yes, and go read it.

[jade jacinth]

sorry i am slow sometimes :C

[stoic grotto]

🤔 how do i know if the sometimes is the now

[lofty depot]

Well in the time I told u that was it

[lucid olive]

"I am about to press Treants. is Fury of Elune available?"
Yes= Use it on the global before Treants
No= Use it during treants

[lofty depot]

The time is, press trees and incarn and foe in those cds

[lucid olive]

if you desync so bad that you have to hold FoE for it then youve messed up somewhere before

[warm plaza]

which option is it to see your astral power with bcdm?

[lucid olive]

resource bar

[warm plaza]

am i being stupid?

[lofty depot]

After the first foe, it will always be inside incarn unless ur holding for something

[lucid olive]

power bar

and yes

[lofty depot]

Or secondary power bar

[warm plaza]

it's mana for me tf

and secondary just doesn't work

[lofty depot]

Ur main bar is mana

Secondary is asp

[stoic grotto]

but doesnt the 45 sec and 60 sec cd naturally desync over time?

[leaden birch]

I can't live without fluid form

what should I swap for it

[lucid olive]

why would 60sec cd desync when treants are 60 sec cd

and you have control of the dream

[stoic grotto]

trees tooltip says 45 cd

[lucid olive]

because you have control of the dream

[stoic grotto]

did i mess up somewhere

[lofty depot]

Are you using early spring

[lucid olive]

no he has been out of combat for 15 seconds

and stacked control

[lofty depot]

Or that

[royal zenith]

cringe spec

[feral trench]

Hi all, i'm fairly newish to balance. I've read up on guides, read the talents, understand builder/spender ST/AoE, but I feel like I still don't do damage (240ilevel).

are we just wet noodles if Eclipse is down?

[lofty depot]

Yes

U do damage in CDs

U don't do damage outside of cds

[stoic grotto]

doesnt control basically just make it as if you used your first trees 15 sec earlier than the first cast and for the rest the cd is 45 sec

[lofty depot]

No

[lucid olive]

no

[stoic grotto]

i feel like im not getting something and you may be annoyed at this point but i really dont understand

[lucid olive]

the default cd of treants is 60 seconds

if you use control of the dream you can gain up to 15 seconds back on your next use if you have had the spell available for up to 15 seconds

that time also counts out of combat

[stoic grotto]

ive found the issues sir

[lucid olive]

so your first use is 45 sec cd

yes

[stoic grotto]

carry on

[lofty depot]

Change the grove talent while ur at it

[lucid olive]

just go get new talents..

[stoic grotto]

ok

i assume we would generally only play early spring with radiant moonlight?

so that both foe and trees become 45s

[lofty depot]

We don't play early spring at all currently

[soft dragon]

This is keepers ST, I thought I read somewhere that u were supposed to spend cosmos procs on starfall even in ST but its not mentioned here?

[lofty depot]

Surge got buffed

[lucid olive]

starfall got nerfed starsurge got buffed

[lofty depot]

Starfall stinky

[soft dragon]

Ah got it ty

So IV not updated ig

[lofty depot]

Ur reading dreamgrove tho so it's fine

@ancient adder hi Dad surge with cosmos now

[ancient adder]

i pushed an update

waiting for it to go live

[lucid olive]

tettles started delver ?? boss

[ancient adder]

just ctrl + f starweaver and removed all mentions

lol

[lofty depot]

https://www.dataforazeroth.com/leaderboards/race-solo-nullaeus?rank=1

[stoic grotto]

in case of timing in some fight

but yeah fair point

[tulip snow]

you can still use a cosmos proc on startfall if it's a free cast right?

(wrong reply haha)

[ancient adder]

on st its not better

think its 3

for sf

mid delve cant check

[tulip snow]

cool, so just save the cast for after consuming procs then? I forget if the free cast can go away if we don't use it right away

[ancient adder]

you really cant forget it

its 20 seconds

[tulip snow]

ah sick

[ancient adder]

you really just do your standard rotation

and youll spend it

cosmos is both

[delicate perch]

300 pull count content

[tulip snow]

lmfao

[lost violet]

So guys whats your take for tomorrow, going convoke or incarn build? 🙂 or maybe even some EC enjoyyyjers here?

[lofty depot]

It's not ec

[tulip snow]

I was gonna ask about the incarn build that's on the grove and why it's taking control the dream instead of the extra dream burst stack?

[primal vigil]

I'd just like to know why we take 3 talents that it says to never take

[delicate perch]

for fun

[lost violet]

fight lengths I would assume

[lucid olive]

for incarn you play starweaver and wont have time to spend all dream burst stacks in your cds

[tulip snow]

ah cool

[fiery kindle]

Is there a boomkin pov Twitch streamer i can watch?

[soft dragon]

Another thing sorry, not sure I'm reading this correctly, so on 2 targets keeper without starweaver you surge yea? Cause if I go to keeper 2+ T section and untick starweaver it still says to starfall 2T?

[dull dust]

goodmorning chickens

[jaunty blaze]

gm fellow bala dudu

[delicate perch]

gn

[tulip snow]

also reading the APL it seems to still cast starfall if you have procs in raidbots, even pasting the updated APL from github

[lucid olive]

those lines only interact with the checkboxes right above them and not the ones in the rotation headers

[craggy pilot]

How does balance feel after this tuning pass?

[lucid olive]

actions.kotg_st+=/starfall,if=buff.starweavers_warp.react

[primal vigil]

Feel and tuning are not the same

[lucid olive]

it has this

it spends the free starfall cause it has to

[vital hound]

weird one idk

how do i address a keybind

just not pressing

shift+d doesn't even light up the keybind on my bars

[primal vigil]

well

[tulip snow]

wouldn't we want to also check against making sure we don't have any cosmos buffs?

[lost violet]

With a quick review on the fights guys there are lots of adds, i will try out the incarn build for first raid reset for sure, then see on logs what the pros do 🙂

[jaunty blaze]

buy a new keyboard

[primal vigil]

Your keybind isn't pressing because its a movement key and the game is overriding you. Changing movement keys in settings

[lofty depot]

Goop eventually when he's done playing pissover.... Tettles doing ?? Delve

[primal vigil]

fixes

[vital hound]

the fuck

is that new

ive had this keybind for 5 years

[dull dust]

weaver gets spent first anyway no?

[primal vigil]

yeah new q e thing

[main edge]

Can someone help me out. I picked up Boomy this expansion after playing Feral for 15+ years. I don't fucking get the rule set for when to use Eclipse and when to use my second charge of CA.

Like if my FoE, FoN are both on CD, my Starlord has more than half its duration, do I still use Eclipse if I'm about to get my second charge back?

[vital hound]

gtfo

i hate john blizzard

[lofty depot]

U use eclipse if ur gonna cap charges yes

[vital hound]

how come control d works

[lofty depot]

U use CA/incarn when ur trees is back up

[lucid olive]

didnt make a difference

[lofty depot]

And u use convoke when u have both trees and ca

[primal vigil]

cause ctrl is special

[main edge]

And Fury of Elune?

[primal vigil]

can't just run around giving everyone the big D

[jaunty blaze]

😳

[vital hound]

ok ty ig

[lofty depot]

U just use foe inside cds

Usually it's not up at the start of cds

Depends on build tho

[tulip snow]

ah yeah I mixed it up, it was ascendant stars stacks

[lost violet]

prio it before going in to Cd window to not lose out on gcds /time in eclipse right?

[main edge]

Aight, I think that helped a bit, thx 🙂

[tulip snow]

just trying to wrap my head around APL logic is all haha

[dull dust]

same

[fleet ocean]

When will we have the guide?

[jaunty blaze]

you have it right now

[lofty depot]

Yes but the 2nd trees / CA u'll overlap that duration a bit

[lucid olive]

blizzard just banned guides

[void jacinth]

how tf do we have a forest fire rn

[delicate perch]

LMAO I was just typing that

[lofty depot]

Did u read the pin

[lucid olive]

mb i was drivin thru the city on some hot fire

[dull dust]

is there new people today 🤔

[jaunty blaze]

i wonder why

[lofty depot]

Yea chancel change ur name

[lucid olive]

no @delicate perch has been here long

[void jacinth]

you had a cypher in aalesund

[lofty depot]

We need help spreading the word

[dull dust]

surely we arnt fotm

[lofty depot]

We arent

But frogs still come

[delicate perch]

too long actually

[dull dust]

change name to what

[weary robin]

@lucid olive just wanna say I appreciate you and whoever else puts in the work for the compendium. This shit is nice. ty all

[jaunty blaze]

nochancel

lol

[lofty depot]

Lol idk I was trolling

[lucid olive]

the other oce players keep falling like flies

[void jacinth]

i know goonz personally i'll pass the message on

[dull dust]

[delicate perch]

weak minded (smart players)

[lofty depot]

Goonz 👀

[lucid olive]

@papercups @glyph

[lofty depot]

@turtle

[dull dust]

@gloomy spruce

[lofty depot]

Chancel doesn't get it

[fleet ocean]

We r in 12.0 not 11.2

[void jacinth]

chancel is only here cause we are fotm

[dull dust]

true

[lucid olive]

https://tenor.com/view/selfie-fish-eye-lens-wacky-muller-gif-7755558

[jaunty blaze]

ok bro did you read like literally one line below the patch

[delicate perch]

wait wtf where did big G go

[lofty depot]

We're spell checking and not reading the guide

[vital hound]

🫗

playing wiith the turtle

[delicate perch]

🫗

[warped wave]

What are the most likely BiS trinkets right now?
Vaelgor´s Final Stare &

Locus-Walker's Ribbon? or Gaze of the Alnseer?

Gaze become 20% or?

[dull dust]

why u got blood inna cup

[lofty depot]

Ribbon

Gaze is beans

[dull dust]

what about in keys

[lucid olive]

why would you have blood in keys

[dull dust]

trinkets

[vital hound]

i thought gaze still decent

[delicate perch]

maybe @drifting nova is in the key, lots of death and all that

[warped wave]

Thanks mate

[lofty depot]

1% lower it's no longer my friend

[lost violet]

Compendium has TIER LIST! lovely tieeeeeeerlist

[jaunty blaze]

[vital hound]

owned

[lucid olive]

the Ribbon trinket is also like Eye of Kezan where it takes a few minutes to stack to max value

[edgy quarry]

Hi guys ! Just a quick (silly ?) question why do we use this talent ? I don't use regrowth at all during a fight

[jaunty blaze]

then you should start doing that

[lucid olive]

so the fact its simming this good for us at 5 minute bodes really well for later bosses

[dull dust]

why is forest walk simming well

[primal vigil]

#balance message

[dull dust]

#balance message

[delicate perch]

#balance message

[jaunty blaze]

#balance message

[dull dust]

#1422690748045852773 message

[delicate perch]

@dull dust thoughts?

[dull dust]

reasonable

got muted for this many days under that

[jaunty blaze]

thats a lot of days

[dull dust]

ik i can't even count that high

[craggy sonnet]

rather confident thats not correct

[dim bolt]

Hi, quick question. Do we still send CA right after the first CA+Convoke at opener?

[lofty depot]

no

[jaunty blaze]

no

[lofty depot]

u wait til 2nd trees

[dull dust]

fix !

[gloomy spruce]

Who pinged me

@dull dust help

[dull dust]

it was me

[gloomy spruce]

[lucid olive]

whats the point in deleting the ping if youre gonna say its you off gcd anyway

smh

[dull dust]

I didnt delete it

[gloomy spruce]

Is boomie 99t winning or what

[dull dust]

no it casts moonfire for the entire sim

I blame gamz

[lofty depot]

is it now holding

[dull dust]

im pretty sure it was just skipping the 1m one last I looked

and doing some weird shit

[craggy sonnet]

it makes no sense to desync them

[stoic grotto]

is soulcatcher charm simbait?

[craggy sonnet]

you just do foe fon incarn > ecl > ecl > foe fon incarn

[leaden birch]

am I sending coffer keys or not

[lofty depot]

trees was just up earlier so it was sending it when it was up

[leaden birch]

whats this about getting hero crests?

[craggy sonnet]

yes .. but you have control

so just not send?

or dont play control

[dull dust]

[lofty depot]

FIRST TIME GETTING GEAR FROM WORLD BOSS

LETS GO

[vital hound]

I GOT AN AXE

[lofty depot]

LOCK IN

[dreamy cove]

isn't gear guaranteed now since once per acc per week?

[normal pilot]

don't rain on arctic's parade

[ivory barn]

Is there any personal food that dosent cost 1500g each?

[dreamy cove]

pork and plant protein cost little no?

[jaunty blaze]

just learn cooking

its dirt cheap to make yourself

[dreamy cove]

yeah I cooked them too

[ivory barn]

Harandar Celebration cost over 1500g

[leaden birch]

which quest gives beacon of hope

[ivory barn]

any alternativ?

[jaunty blaze]

but thats a feast

thats not personal food

[ivory barn]

Then what is it called our personal food?

[jaunty blaze]

flora frenzy

[ivory barn]

Aha thanks. Its locked behind a quest it seem

[jaunty blaze]

ye but its fast to do

[leaden birch]

does anyone know how to get a bounty map easily this week

or is it just luck

[ivory barn]

Ty

[surreal heron]

are we really taking fury of elune in raid on KotG?

[jaunty blaze]

yes

[vital hound]

gamz is getting paid by big elune to include it

[surreal heron]

for AP gen? would it really not just be natures balance and umbral intensity over it?

[jaunty blaze]

apparently not

[surreal heron]

seems odd is all, but fair enough

[leaden birch]

so no one knows how to reliably get a bounty map in week 1 apparently there is a quest but no one can tell me which one it is

[vital hound]

i think it only seems odd because we didnt play it in tww

[slender island]

nightmare prey, i saw this on Larias disc

(untested as im in EU)

[leaden birch]

oh it's nightmare prey that gives it wtf

[slender island]

yeah, original assumption was that nightmare prey quest would give guaranteed HC piece, but instead it gives a map

[surreal heron]

just feels weird when you dont get the benefit from EC for it, i would think having better passives would be ideal

[ivory barn]

where is this quest?

[vital hound]

[jaunty blaze]

idk anymore just google the recipe

should be able to find it

[ivory barn]

Ait

[loud kettle]

pro tip: if you feel like ur cast time/gcd is too long, make ur cast bar longer

[jaunty blaze]

[delicate perch]

Make it shorter so there’s less distance to travel

[loud kettle]

nah if its short, the bar moves really slow

[leaden birch]

would yall craft mast/hast for the 2h staff? or mast/crit

[sonic surge]

Do i need to take some kinda pill for it to be longer

[loud kettle]

the bar moves faster if its longer

[jaunty blaze]

thats so smart

[delicate perch]

Delete cast bar and just have a tick if casting

[jaunty blaze]

i will buy a 34" widescreen and make it run the length of it

[delicate perch]

No more time gating

[sonic surge]

Is OiUi out? @pallid bay

[indigo barn]

alright ulria simsheet is public, time to post the secret apl for 120k. Anyone?

[jaunty blaze]

sure

[vital hound]

this fuckin

SUCKS

this delve rogue IDIOT

[jaunty blaze]

[normal pilot]

negative reinforcement often doesn't work have you tried not calling her an idiot

[jaunty blaze]

she tries her best

[vital hound]

she keeps fucking dying

[jaunty blaze]

https://tenor.com/view/everyone-is-so-mean-to-me-heartbroken-heartbreak-shower-everyone-gif-9844935362240232951

[surreal heron]

brann mogs

[jaunty blaze]

brann mogs her big time

[karmic mortar]

Don't stand in em'!

[sleek estuary]

sorry if this has been asked before, im new to balance and made one recently.

wowhead guide for elune prio does not say the words wrath 1 time, so i put it on a non-essential keybind planning to swap it for keeper.

now this compedium says to use wrath outside of eclipse.

which is correct?

[normal pilot]

compendium is more updated

[sleek estuary]

ty

[unique kraken]

do I wait with 2nd CA for 2nd treants ?

[jaunty blaze]

For single target fight casting wrath outside of eclipse is a gain

Plus it's a better habit to have consistent keybindings between specs imo

But do as you prefer

[jaunty blaze]

Yes

[sleek estuary]

thanks @jaunty blaze that makes sense. also, compendium has a choice click in AOE elune called "gathering moonlight" - maybe im blind but i dont know what this spell is i dont see it on my tree

[unique kraken]

do I also hold fury of elune or do I just send that shi on cd

[silver flume]

im kinda confused, do you use Lunar or Solar Ecplises in ST.

[jaunty blaze]

Isn't that s3 tww tierset

[normal pilot]

yeah

gamz prolly forgot to remove it

[jaunty blaze]

Depends what hero talent you play

[jaunty blaze]

Ideally you want to use that with your cds

[silver flume]

Keeper of the Grove, Convoke, Starweaver

[jaunty blaze]

Solar eclipse then

[silver flume]

okay, there is no scenario where it will be lunar?

with that spec

[jaunty blaze]

Multitarget

If you can consistently hit enough targets during the eclipse with starfire

[silver flume]

okay, so u replace starfire with wrath in multitarget and its kinda the same rotation afterwards

[jaunty blaze]

Mostly yes

[silver flume]

great great, and only ecplise or CA if u can blast 3 ss on 3 gcds

[jaunty blaze]

Yes you want to to enter those with enough ap

[silver flume]

so in my opener i will wait with cds until i have 120 ap right

[jaunty blaze]

No just look into the guide you will get to 120 ap pretty fast anyway

[silver flume]

thanks for the help 🙂

[jaunty blaze]

Pretty much avoid wasting the procs and insta cast and overcapping ap

Will take a bit of practice but its not too bad

[royal zenith]

promise?

[jaunty blaze]

Pinky swear

[royal zenith]

ok ok..

[indigo barn]

in the convoke opener, do we really not spend AP after CA before sending convoke?

[lucid olive]

you can

[maiden pasture]

login @lucid olive

time to kill the world boss

[misty forge]

We liking Keepers or Elune's more for dungeons?

[upbeat leaf]

world boss upp on EU

gogoogog

[indigo barn]

ok, also weaver procs?

[obtuse jungle]

gamz we are back with convoke ?

[indigo barn]

oh we dont have weaver in convoke build

i see

[edgy quarry]

gg !

[lofty depot]

HOLY SHIT IM LOPOTED

all tyhe luck now, never getting vaelor

[ripe slate]

what a pepelaugh ass boss lmao

[coarse lodge]

Anyone have a balance pvp talent build?

[ripe slate]

is there a second world boss up?

[maiden pasture]

nah

its just up for eu

[lofty depot]

post vod so i can copy thanks

[maiden pasture]

before reset

xd

[ripe slate]

i didnt do it as balance

xd

[maiden pasture]

i got shitty haste vers ring gg go next

[lucid olive]

EU reset is at 5am and world boss alrdy up

[ripe slate]

i got to 4% on my first try as balance then wiped at like 50% 3 times in a row so i got mad and went guardian

[lucid olive]

i got a plate head..

[dull dust]

its telling u something

[normal pilot]

gamzdk

[jaunty blaze]

is this bis

[dull dust]

wtf is that

looks bis to me

[jaunty blaze]

real

[lucid olive]

nah time to revive the classic

[indigo barn]

yoo they spawned the worldboss on EU

lets go

[dull dust]

no shot

[upper cosmos]

Oh yeah? ...... 🙁 why the hell is this crap even a thing to get from a bountiful delve

[dull dust]

speeds bis

wum

[sudden flame]

same....

[dull dust]

i got head

[jaunty blaze]

uhm

😳

[leaden seal]

Anyone got a delve hero piece yet

[ripe slate]

yeah

[dull dust]

@sour rampart yo bro wheres my vault

[indigo barn]

on EU. whats the chance they despawn all items before reset lol?

[dull dust]

low

but thats unfortunate

[jaunty blaze]

🤝

[dull dust]

blizzard playing favorites again

[upper cosmos]

Do I want to save my map for a T11 bountiful delve?

[indigo barn]

well not the best but still sims decent and new boss should be tommorow lol

[dull dust]

smh

[jaunty blaze]

It doesn't matter for the item

[indigo barn]

is the world boss once per account? the gear is warbound

[jaunty blaze]

Yes

[upper cosmos]

thanks

[wet field]

Should I now hold with staff crafting for 1st myth vault?

[viscid rampart]

Nice I got an axe from world boss as a druid, blessed

[merry ibex]

hell yeah cloth chest

[jade flume]

man if i get banned

for a bitchass staff i dont need

i'm mad

[indigo barn]

for the world boss? no shot, it just spawned as wq

[royal zenith]

actual live image of the boss

(so laggy literally doesnt move)

[sleek estuary]

compendium says to never take touch the cosmos in EC m+, wowhead guide and tettles older video have it locked into actively taking it. any advice?

[lofty depot]

u can if u want

[vital hound]

newer thing has different information vs older thing

[lofty depot]

its likely less

[vital hound]

[wet field]

I wonder how much of a troll/sabotage of 1st/2nd week of raid is it

[lucid olive]

wdym image

thats a 10 second video

[royal zenith]

[sleek estuary]

actually the compendium M+ build has significant differences than wowhead. touch the cosmos, hail of stars, astral communion are "NEVER" in compendium but in other guides they are taken ALWAYS

[lucid olive]

yeah ignore those colors

i didnt update em

[tacit oriole]

Did you guys pick hero or champ crests from that weird community engagement quest

[lofty depot]

i mean... ilvl diff and embell diff

can use vet 2x arcano embell and its close

[rough marten]

ez af on guardian?

[leaden seal]

I’m pretty sure you can get the crafted one to 270+ this week

[jaunty blaze]

If you want to waste hero crests sure

[tacit oriole]

does disarming traps not work anymore for prey?

[stoic grotto]

so i got this, should i still be crafting early

oh i shouldve scrolled

huh

[lost violet]

me too 😢 lvled leather obv, mail and plate

[red nymph]

@lucid olive why is touch of the cosmos and hail of stars under 'never take' for EC M+?

[lucid olive]

refresh the page in about 5 minutes

[red nymph]

roger

oh i guess i could have scrolled up a few ticks

[blazing fossil]

def easier than kyveza lmao

[edgy quarry]

Just wanted to say a big thank you to @lucid olive @jolly delta @ancient adder @lofty depot (and sorry if I missed anyone!). Thank you for your work and all you do for this community, I'm really grateful 🙂

[jolly delta]

[cobalt junco]

based comment, i agree thank u guys!

[pseudo merlin]

Wait what did arctic do

did he roll a d20 on you or

@lucid olive @royal zenith you farming world bosses?

[lucid olive]

already killed on the 3 characters i have

[pseudo merlin]

ive never seen this many people logged in at the same time in something other than a bg

[lucid olive]

you can get item on low level character too

people getting on lvl 81 alt

[pseudo merlin]

ye

[stable basin]

what crests are people using to craft, jsut vet?

[pseudo merlin]

its kinda irrelevant ngl

we get daily reset champ gear m0 tomorrow anyway

[tardy fiber]

but only 1 item on acc, no?

[pseudo merlin]

no

[lucid olive]

[drifting nova]

not out yet you silly sausage

[lucid olive]

kekkers so ethical

[vital hound]

he doesnt know

[pseudo merlin]

you are

nvm

[jolly delta]

wait did I miss something

I did

Wtf

[pseudo merlin]

can loot wb on all lv80+ chars

multiple loots per acc

NA players get all the downtime and the shitty bugs

[normal pilot]

smh cheating eu ban the entire region

[pseudo merlin]

EU get all the good stuff

[lost violet]

i did only get 1x loot on my 3 chars i did it on

[jolly delta]

Can I just say that I'm used to blizzard being shit but

The level of slop this expansion has is mindboggling

[pseudo merlin]

this one is very special

releasing it one day early is one thing

but how'd you make it infinitely lootable

[normal pilot]

i don't think ti's that worse

[lost violet]

its not infinitely lootable

people are just trolling

[pseudo merlin]

it is

[normal pilot]

it was this bad all the way back to SL

[pseudo merlin]

technically not, ok, it's lootable once per char

[lost violet]

well tell me why i only got loot on first kill then?

[lucid olive]

they are not

[pseudo merlin]

oh damn you didnt hit the rng so everyone (who showed proof) is lying

[lucid olive]

skill issue

[pseudo merlin]

my bad

sorry

[lucid olive]

yeah thats how it works

[pseudo merlin]

Its like people who cant engage in a hypothetical

[lucid olive]

the dagger from Fractillus was actually disabled on mythic until the week after I killed Dimensius

cause thats when I got it

[pseudo merlin]

lmao

[lucid olive]

everyone who said they had it before me are trolling

[pseudo merlin]

real

[lost violet]

anyone have screenshot of multiple loot pls? considering bringing the rest 12x 80s if thats the case

[drifting nova]

you play in german?

[pseudo merlin]

yes

[lucid olive]

not my screenshot

[pseudo merlin]

It's Gamz's native language

[lucid olive]

jawohl

[lost violet]

1x

[lucid olive]

ich bin eine flughaffen

[jolly delta]

Finally blizzard released something fun

[lost violet]

its it your bag Gamz?

[lucid olive]

no

those also dropped from 2 diff characters

[lost violet]

well thats 2x same item yet his bagynator tells 1x

[pseudo merlin]

It's fake if it's not yours

[lucid olive]

he traded it over to have both items in same picture

[pseudo merlin]

damn can I land on you

[lost violet]

yeah but his game info tells you its 1 item

[brazen mango]

I got a cloth chest, the ring and staff on 3 lvl90 chars

[pseudo merlin]

impossible

[lucid olive]

i have more proof but i don't wanna dox guildies :)))

[lost violet]

well lucky you guys getting multiple loot then

[tardy fiber]

I don't have wq for boss on 80 char tho

[ripe slate]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBa_rqbwwzI

[pseudo merlin]

we need a new meme

Wow players when a bug lets you farm world boss on 100 alts:

Wow players when given the option to prepare for raid:

[lofty depot]

BEAR

SMH

[drifting nova]

boss is so bricked smh

[lost violet]

4th kill lvl 8

lvl 80*

[ripe slate]

i got him to sub-5% as moonkin a few times

but i cba

tanks are so free its crazy

or healer priest

apparently his autos do 0 damage if ur healer priest

lol

[lofty depot]

my guildie shadow did it in 2 pulls

[vital hound]

10 mins?

im good thanks

[exotic perch]

what does kriegsmeutengebunden mean

what an insanely long word

[lucid olive]

No clue

I'm not German

[exotic perch]

i didnt remember what eu you were

[lucid olive]

Norwegian

[exotic perch]

thats a good one

[lost violet]

warbound

it means

[gentle abyss]

Are keystones out or is it just m0

[lucid olive]

M0

[gentle abyss]

Did balance get buffed ?

[lucid olive]

But daily reset and seasonal dungeons

Yes

[gentle abyss]

Can’t decide between feral and balance

[scenic dune]

Hii, just a random question, i geta weapon 259... is worth crafting offhand?

[meager storm]

lock in

idk how i didnt die

[exotic perch]

nice

[short swallow]

Whats our opener for raid? The compendium doesn't allow you to pick keeper, covoke, and elunes all at once.

[exotic perch]

did you not get 2 shot as chicken

[meager storm]

boss was 5% hp i didnt have any defensives and somehow my roar let me kite him for 10s

treants came up and taunted him

i was like

1 melee away

[tacit oriole]

feral seems to be blasting on bosses

[meager storm]

my hp kept going down to 1%

[manic arch]

sims still have us wrath wrath starfiring

[meager storm]

i used drums on 3rd intermission

saved all cds for the poison adds

so didnt drum those

u can bear and tank some hits for 30s to line up cds for intermission

its for sure luck tho, this valeera kept giving me good hp pots

[obtuse jungle]

oyu guys got any clue if convoke or incarn is better ?

[normal pilot]

you'll just have to try it out on bosses and find out with the rest of us

[ripe slate]

moonkin lives nullaeus pretty fine weirdly enough

i was expecting to get flattened

[dull dust]

can u redo it on a diff toon

and just fill top 4000 with u

[stable basin]

uh how do you get into solar eclipse now? im in kotg and i only see lunar

[normal pilot]

Cast wrath

[stable basin]

ahh ty

[upper cosmos]

Managed to find these two today. Should I just use those and spend my 4 sparks on something else or should I still get the staff made?

In other news THIS is a fucking thing that you can get as your bountiful reward.

[drifting nova]

an int fist weapon? what year is it?

[zinc robin]

is there a bug where you can't convoke after the boss comes down on Chimaerus?

[crimson pine]

how do you sim boomie for M+ i forget what the best way is

[normal pilot]

i don't think there is a way atm

you can try later when the apl has been better tested against dungeonroutes

it might returns nonsense atm idk

[dull dust]

prob just sim st and 5t 5m and take a guestimate for now

[molten yoke]

should i be opening ST rotation with CA or SE?

[pliant hedge]

Do we have raid builds updated? Looks like elune is higher now?

[calm meteor]

Hi, new druid player, sorry in advance if this is a dumb question but i've checked wowhead and icyveins and can't seem to find anything. Is there a specific condition or line that I can bake into a macro that would make me swap to Moonkin form if i'm not already in it before casting an ability? Ie, if in Moonkin form already, it would cast a spell (say, Moonfire), but if in travel form, the first press would switch to moonkin form, then the second press (after the gcd) would cast moonfire?

I've tried using the following which i've found on reddit, but it only appears to work out of combat:
#showtooltip Moonfire
/cast [noform:4] Moonkin Form; Moonfire;

[jade flume]

Man has instant dollars disbanded or sth

Where are they

[molten yoke]

should i be opening ST rotation with CA or SE?

[leaden birch]

am I stupid or is the new opener cheeks

[tacit oriole]

I know it dont matter but holy. First ever rank 1 and Ill lose it by the end of the night

[dull dust]

mb i havnt zoned in yet

[jolly delta]

Sorry EU still sleeping

[surreal heron]

which fight?

[tacit oriole]

normal dreamrift lol

[surreal heron]

still an accomplishment

i was 7th highest dps world on stix after that gallagio bug where i got renown 20

[lethal imp]

How much worse is elune's chosen than keeper in raid?

Also are there any points to swap between aoe, single target, and cleave?

[dull dust]

[gaunt swallow]

Guys, is it worth entering Lunar Eclipse on the first boss when the adds spawn? Or should I stick to the rotation and focus on just one target?

[vital hound]

it does more damage

but i would argue impossible to play

[lethal imp]

Oh I was trying to play it because it seemed simpler

[tacit sky]

how come

[vital hound]

gl casting for 3 seconds all the time

[upper cosmos]

no u

[leaden birch]

are most people tracking ascendant eclipses or is that min maxy

[pseudo merlin]

This is why we all love Porom

[nimble tangle]

i feel like EC can do way more damage than most specs in M+ boss fights

so far

[lofty depot]

just count to 3

[leaden birch]

it's harder than you think

[lucid olive]

Track Starlord instead

They're virtually the same thing

[leaden birch]

yeah I added that in

I was surprised you weren't tracking starlord

[radiant tree]

wb fixed

[merry cargo]

guys what talent is good for raid any idea?

[dusky lake]

sorry if i missed this in the guide but i noticed in st sims im casting 35 wraths in 5 min ST. is that all just in between eclipses or do you wrath ST in incarn?

[hoary torrent]

I see we are SS on 2 targets now, feelsgood

[stoic fog]

holy sh i suck at boomkin

20K dps

[leaden birch]

whats ss

[hoary torrent]

Starsurge

[leaden birch]

I didn't even know that

we are?

[hoary torrent]

Idk I'm reading the compendium atm and it looks like it

Looks like we are solar eclipsing on 3 targets or less with grove too

💀

[cosmic elbow]

what trinkets are we aiming for from M+ seeing conflicting answers

[hot light]

are you guys crafting staff

[hoary torrent]

Idk I trust the compendium more, vessel is a bit bait

[hoary torrent]

I am

[lofty depot]

without kindling yes

[hoary torrent]

Ah, makes sense

[dull dust]

i got 3 staffs in these m0s