After 3/17 tuning
#balance
nimble tangle
jaunty blaze
We are one of the specs of all time now
vital hound
We are one of the specs of all time now
incredibly selectable ingame
jaunty blaze
Real
lofty depot
the ones on my cdm
spice roost
@lucid olivewhat build will we be playing in raid i see the wowhead build but thats for pure st right ?
do we know yet
lucid olive
why would the builds be for pure st
spice roost
convoke
lucid olive
what about this one
lofty depot
Show me plz
lucid olive
there are 2 builds recommended
spice roost
what about this one
so u dont use goldrinn?
lucid olive
you can play whatever talents you want
no way to know 100% what talents will be best for a raid that isnt out yet
sour basin
Heyo, with current opener do we clip our eclipse off as soon as we have enough asp to trees/FoE + incarn + dump ascendant eclipse stacks, or wait for starlord to fall off before we do the CD dump?
ocean atlas
its just me or sometimes ur treants dont dot?
lucid olive
Heyo, with current opener do we clip our eclipse off as soon as we have enough a...
soon as the ascendant eclipse stacks are down
lucid olive
its just me or sometimes ur treants dont dot?
pet AI sucks
surreal heron
its just me or sometimes ur treants dont dot?
more than likely they re-dot on an active target already
thats been my experience at least
ocean atlas
some times u cast the trents on a 4 o 5 mob pack and the just like dot 2 mobs only o so
sour basin
soon as the ascendant eclipse stacks are down
Thanks, I just wasn't sure because I'm typically low on AP after the first ascendant dump. I guess Trees + FOE make up for that?
sour basin
thank you
ancient adder
also if you dont have nb
it feels alot worse
if ur taking kindling
just pray for the cosmos proc
radiant cloud
For a split alt boomkin that will not get any loot weeks 1&2 at least... would you craft 2h weap or mainhand + offhand? 🤔
radiant cloud
Yeah I am sure on weapon slot, but will you go for a staff? Or go for the 1h/offh combo?
delicate perch
thats probably what im doing on both my split druids
what about your main druid
surreal heron
For a split alt boomkin that will not get any loot weeks 1&2 at least... would y...
if you arent sure you can get good gear, 2h is good, if you think you could get a solid 1h, get offhand + wrists with embel
im p sure thats what most people are doing, most of my crafter buddies are broke as hell rn
radiant cloud
if you arent sure you can get good gear, 2h is good, if you think you could get ...
thanks! I´ll most likely not get any gear at all early on 😄 at least on that toon 😄 so 2h it is 😄
exotic perch
woo pig
delicate perch
2h is the non low iq play for most people
nimble tangle
<#1473018731687841853>
ugh I don’t find the tracked buff
vital hound
2h is the non low iq play for most people
it takes
a ton of crests/gear
to replace 2h
lofty depot
ugh I don’t find the tracked buff
either gamz wago page or the cdm is linked (if not its on gamz wago keke which is linked)
delicate perch
ya
nimble tangle
spice roost
do we ever use trees with just the eclipse button or do we only use it with incarn
wicked shuttle
ya you use it with eclipse most of the time even
you basically never wanna trees without either eclipse or incarn
lofty depot
do we ever use trees with just the eclipse button or do we only use it with inca...
trees on cd (with eclipse)
ca always with trees
convoke always with ca
delicate perch
what about foe
lofty depot
before trees
without nb u press it after u dump asurges and then u spam wrath then sunfrie trees incarn
silly openers
unique mirage
Am i looking at something wrong or is the talents in dreamgrove and wowhead completely different? (EC - M+ build)
lofty depot
dreamgrove isnt updated
spice roost
i dont think dreamgrove compendium is updated
unique mirage
ah sorry about that, saw the "Updated: 15th of March" at the top right and misunderstood
thanks
spice roost
trees on cd (with eclipse)
ca always with trees
convoke always with ca
so if i have trees and incarn rdy i hit that together over eclipse +tree
im cconfused on the priority between the cds
lofty depot
incarn do be better than eclipse yes
dull dust
r u sure
jolly delta
ah sorry about that, saw the "Updated: 15th of March" at the top right and misu...
Also at the top there's a big warning saying that information is incorrect
unique mirage
Also at the top there's a big warning saying that information is incorrect
I guess different people look at different things
thanks though
spice roost
1 last thing is it better if u have eclispe or incarn rdy and u are at low on ap do u wait to use it til u have high ap
jolly delta
thanks though
Np, just for clarity the "Updated 15th" in our case means that it has been physically updated
But it doesn't mean that all the info is fully updated
lucid olive
1 last thing is it better if u have eclispe or incarn rdy and u are at low on ap...
when the vibe is right
when you feel it in your bones that you wanna do some dmg
thats when you press it
nimble tangle
also, are EC talent builds updated in wowhead
lucid olive
sure
nimble tangle
a bit different from what i see in chinese community
quiet drift
What do you see in chinese community
lucid olive
big fans of 1m convoke those guys
neat cairn
is cot st and raid and ec for m+?
tender elbow
mage player
Do boomies hate mage players?
dull dust
can u awnser that for mage too
nova ocean
And porom
dull dust
wtf u hate me
tender elbow
Aha
nova ocean
Wait u have to finish our apl first
dull dust
fervent harbor
for a balance druid who is new is to the class and spec is "Keeper of the Grove" better or "Elune's Chosen" better in regards to simplicity to play
lofty depot
i mean everything is simple, build and spend. EC might be easier to think about "swapping eclipses" sometimes....
but ur casting a starfire for fun and thats not fun
fervent harbor
I think that is where i stuggle the most is with the eclipses
like is it normal to sometime not have an eclipse up i try to juggle it the best i can but sometime im waiting for it to cooldown
lofty depot
yes, u wont have ecliipse up always
fleet ocean
When will we have the guide?
lofty depot
write faster
MAKE KEEPER BETTER
lost violet
wait is EC going to be pair or better than keeper for ST fights? ;O
dull dust
hahah
lofty depot
wait is EC going to be pair or better than keeper for ST fights? ;O
it simmed better in ST last tier as well
loud kettle
Read the apl?
Nah just press buttons when it feels right
lofty depot
in practicality its giga worse
dull dust
bro I dont even read the apl
lofty depot
Read the apl?
Nah just press buttons when it feels right
gonna run out of melee how about that
vital hound
Read the apl?
Nah just press buttons when it feels right
wrong channel mate
back to shredding you go
loud kettle
gonna run out of melee how about that
That's where u belong
lofty depot
i keep getting trolled by my old guild that the last time i went hof i was playing feral and now that it sims the highest i am going to again
dull dust
lock in
lofty depot
i will not succumb to the devil on my shoulder
dull dust
cat boy
loud kettle
Link them this
lost violet
hhahaha
vital hound
Link them this
did you see
loud kettle
I still see in fact
vital hound
lofty depot
Link them this
oh thanks
vital hound
true? or
loud kettle
Extremely true yea
loud kettle
++
dull dust
Link them this
I raise u
loud kettle
Remove ferals from that btw
lofty depot
(im ragebaiting get mad)
bleak kiln
So i lvled a lock just because I like demo and boomy looked awful going into the xpac. Boomy is usually my preferred dps though, is it worth to level a boomy as the buff seems pretty significant?
dull dust
https://tenor.com/view/tettles-gif-13619251
me when I see booba
lofty depot
So i lvled a lock just because I like demo and boomy looked awful going into the...
BOOMKIN LOOKED AWFUL?!?
bleak kiln
Thats what I saw and heard from everyone yea
lofty depot
tuning =/=
bleak kiln
I personally thought it felt smoother to play in dungeons after the changes
lofty depot
boomy is fun to play currently
lost violet
i played boomy since mop, and thought i would go play hunter this xpac, but then I saw 20% and was like WHAT! nooo waaay
lofty depot
the playstyle changed from the last 4 years
bleak kiln
The boomy in my guild completely dropped it as his main for 10+ years
lofty depot
it was undertuned
lofty depot
The boomy in my guild completely dropped it as his main for 10+ years
has he considered hes silly
bleak kiln
Yea I enjoy the playstyle, but didnt want to play an undertuned dps trying to pug keys
lofty depot
we usually get buffs
last tier we werent very good til after rwf
this time we got buffed prior to rwf
big poggy
bleak kiln
Yea I dont necessarily want like the best damage in the world, but I played it in dragonflight and my god the ST was bad
dull dust
nerfed 3% in a month
bleak kiln
It felt awful in boss fights but okay on trash. So felt pretty shit in raid
zealous loom
Hello guys. I have a questions.
Is raidbots simulation still with errors? If yes, are you guys using another simulation website?
zealous loom
Oh really? I'll take a look at that rn
lofty depot
that message is there so u dont take what u see as gospel
the buffs arent in, u can use the overrides if u want but nonetheless
oak inlet
Hello, old ret main going to play boomy this time around, do you guys keep the discord open when numbers are not there ?
lofty depot
yes
lost violet
i will try to sim some later, busy fishing atm. But what i've seen here the last hours is keeper now use FOE, is it big change or small? i have yet stayed to the "old" build
lofty depot
often times we start talking about keybinds, whats for lunch, baseball. all kinds of things
lofty depot
i will try to sim some later, busy fishing atm. But what i've seen here the last...
uhh its close...... it just might be better in aoe as well
and good for asp gen
drifting nova
Is ec better in st on paper
I hope not and I like ec
sudden pawn
somber path
starweaver > rattle
copper gate
Is elunes outsimming keeper?
lofty depot
on st
copper gate
lofty depot
(it outsimmed keeper last tier too)
lofty depot
spamming meteor?
wild dune
what
lofty depot
shooting stars arent from starfall
delicate perch
too many stars in our spells pls rename them all
lofty depot
but with meaning cosmos and weaver procs, solstice will proc more
wicked shuttle
was he talking about starweaver
wicked shuttle
i was just asking
lofty depot
yea he hates it
but because weaver interacts with hail of the stars... getting more free stuff makes more shooting stars
normal pilot
hm. midnight classes are such a giant mess. less actual buttons but twice the bloated procs
lofty depot
but the tier shooting star is different from the others were procing. Ur pressing more surges and starfalls so ur change to proc them is higher. Rattle is basically wanting those spenders to do more damage rather than having more of those spenders
normal pilot
wtf is the abilities table an entire page long
lofty depot
procs are fun!
dull dust
hm. midnight classes are such a giant mess. less actual buttons but twice the bl...
go compare dragonflight arcane to midnight arcane
I am a machine that turns 20 
into 
lofty depot
i thought "we" were playing balance
wicked shuttle
PTO
dull dust
dull dust
im in like a world rank ?? guild
lofty depot
so what
lofty depot
dull dust
wicked shuttle
got gamz like 205
dull dust
the hek
lofty depot
the cool part was last tier it came otu before raid
so there was nothing to do
idk when that shit out now
next week?>
dull dust
hmm
lucid olive
next week?>
ye assume its locked behind highest delve again
wicked shuttle
ya, should be out next week
lucid olive
got gamz like 205
i blame bugged counter..
dull dust
in before it's bugged and dies insta
dull dust
dull dust
just spec resto the real dps spec
true viper
Yo good call on the tuning sim W sandbag call there
lofty depot
Yo good call on the tuning sim W sandbag call there
true viper
delicate perch
damn, kyveza ?? farmed me 200 times
lucid olive
true viper
lofty depot
thats fine
lofty depot
do 1 variation and just try to get crits
true viper
True
drifting nova
is the blue quest in south harandir a daily or weekly
true viper
Its a message
lofty depot
it'll be 120k soon
drifting nova
shut it down wtf
upper anvil
<:SuspiciousChicken:468815079836745728> is the blue quest in south harandir a da...
He actually has and plays midnight??
upper anvil
Idk what you are
drifting nova
closer
upper anvil
<:SuspiciousChicken:468815079836745728>
Are you a chicken
drifting nova
cat pfps smh
delicate perch
real
upper anvil
I knew it. Its why he wipes in normal dungeons
pseudo merlin
I don't think he's even allowed into normal dungeons
How much time until raid opens up
Do I quickly level 2 bamkins?
Shadow is dead dead dead
lucid olive
Do I quickly level 2 bamkins?
hope youre ready to press starfire bud
pseudo merlin
Beats whatever the fuck is left of my spec
dull dust
hope youre ready to press starfire bud
bro sent it in to the demon
I hope yall spill Legos in a dark room
delicate perch
hope youre ready to press starfire bud
gotta be a lot higher for me to think about it
get simmin bud
lucid olive
shy iron
are u still casting wrath outside of eclipse with ec
echo glen
wheres that table from gamz
pseudo merlin
wheres that table from gamz
ikea
echo glen
Agreed
dull dust
I mean me personally
trail heath
dull dust
not the specs
true viper
hope youre ready to press starfire bud
wicked shuttle
hope youre ready to press starfire bud
bro got the sheet updated so arctic wouldnt dm him
lofty depot
was trying to teach ulria about PI when i already gave him the line and he didnt use it
normal pilot
you don't need to justify it or make excuses
it's just supporting scummy grifting
it's fine if you want to do that
wicked shuttle
LMFAO
normal pilot
you are actively making theorycrafting worse by supporting it tho
normal pilot
ppl do get sick & tired of having to deal with the sheet that they lose motivation to work on simc
so it does have a negative
dull dust
agreed
rare shoal
Extremely based take 
vital hound
extremely common gas w
normal pilot
if you want to support that go right ahead but yo uare making things worse
true viper
lofty depot
i didnt send him anything that wasnt already pushed so shrug
rare shoal
if you want to support that go right ahead but yo uare making things worse
The sheet always causes a headache in class discords when its out
People always act like its some golden ticket to the universe 
Kinda fuckin sick of it tbh but im just a guy that answers questions im not a theorycrafter 
normal pilot
yeah there's no covering it up it cuases problems and anything you do to help it ocme out you are contributing to the problem
rare shoal
Its only relevant for a few weeks at most in the community but its just exhausting
Gotta deal with constant "But sheet says" and similar
topaz venture
the raid barely has any st anyway
lucid olive
its the metric people go off until week 2 of the raid and they start going off wclogs raid rankings
lmfao
rare shoal
But its worse now that its behind a paywall
wicked shuttle
comparing classes in sims is just horrendous
rare shoal
Which is its own thing
lofty depot
But its worse now that its behind a paywall
its been behind a paywall the whole time
wicked shuttle
@lofty depot you should submit a profile to github so we can get some PI sims
rare shoal
its been behind a paywall the whole time
Thats even worse
wicked shuttle
i know a guy with a free version
normal pilot
you can submit profiles directly to bloodmallet if you want ot use that
you prolly should do that since you can customize profiles for aoe vs st or w/e you want
lucid olive
dont speak his name you'll summon him
rare shoal
Paywalled data taken from volunteer work in the community with data that only causes problems and has a tendency to be inaccurate in certain situations
wicked shuttle
oh i wasnt talking about bloodmallet
normal pilot
oh waht else would you need a github profile for
drifting nova
ayo blizzard stop breaking shit
crude cobalt
is there any guidance around overcapping eclipse charges? is it a hard no or is it situational? if I have 2 eclipse and 1 incarn charge, what do I use?
lofty depot
ur in an overcapping at the start of the fight, but were using 1 before incarn
and then when ur ending incarn ur in the range of overcapping
incarns usage is based on other factors like trees and trinket
if ur overcapped on eclipses when those are up, lets call it 2 minutes. you likely didnt use an eclispe somewhere and messed up
crude cobalt
makes sense, so at pull use incarn with trinkets and potion if applicable and then start spending eclipse charges?
sly wadi
Wowhead has a great rotation guide that's very helpful visualizing
brave gulch
@lucid olive hello
crude cobalt
Wowhead has a great rotation guide that's very helpful visualizing
thanks I'll check it out!
crude cobalt
we use an eclipse charge on opener
thanks!
robust kindle
anyone simming boomkin?
wise minnow
how many target = starfire and how many target = starfall?
lofty depot
i cant remember starfire number for keeper (think gamz said 5 or 6 he can answer later surely)
starfall was 2, now its 3
lofty depot
anyone simming boomkin?
for what
wise minnow
we are wrathing at 5 targets still? seems strange but okay, ty for answer
lofty depot
wrath got buffed more surely its still
robust kindle
how much dps they are doing at 290, looks like almost every other spec was simmed and release on icy veins
lofty depot
did u read the pin?
sly wadi
definitely not
robust kindle
no?
robust kindle
lmao
lofty depot
might be funny writing idk
wise minnow
I saw that yeah but it made little sense to me, esp since we want lunar eclipse right before starfall spam
sly wadi
yep
lofty depot
we do some funny flag bit now, but yea ur spenders get effected by both eclipses
keen juniper
does anyone have tettles actual cdm ? the one on wowhead links to publics tww dk wa
lofty depot
maybe thats the one he uses
keen juniper
maybe 
lofty depot
hes a unholy dk now 🙂
keen juniper
you the one doing it now gamz?
lucid olive
it would appear that way
lofty depot
keen juniper
reading is hard okay D:
lofty depot
mmhm mmhm
keen juniper
are we still to craft a 2h on tuesday?
lofty depot
unless they nuke something
keen juniper
aight
lofty depot
dont use hero crests
keen juniper
save those for a week or two?
lofty depot
i think u save crests that whole week yea
keen juniper
okay thank you
lofty depot
but if u were to use them on weapon u would waste them
keen juniper
do we get a better weapon out of mythic this time?
keen juniper
alrighty
lofty depot
ull craft oh eventually but later on
keen juniper
wet kraken
Why exactly do we opt to craft and OH over using a 2H? I haven't seen the reasoning listed before but I do see the OH pop up all over in talks/guides. Is it just because it gives more options for upgrades?
lucid olive
What guide
Are you sure you're not looking at a bis gear list instead of crafting recommendations
wet kraken
Are you sure you're not looking at a bis gear list instead of crafting recommend...
Think this may have been the issue yeah.
violet seal
is there an updated version of this for midnight o.O https://www.dreamgrove.gg/static/sims/foodandflask.txt
drowsy cape
what is the point of Total Eclipse proccing both eclipses using Elunes Chosen? Isnt lunar eclipse the only one that matters?
violet seal
yeah i have this string for flasks but im rly just looking for one for the different stats pots
`copy=Mastery
flask=flask_of_the_magisters_2
copy=Haste
flask=flask_of_the_blood_knights_2
copy=Crit
flask=flask_of_the_shattered_sun_2
copy=Versatility
flask=flask_of_thalassian_resistance_2`
wet kraken
what is the point of Total Eclipse proccing both eclipses using Elunes Chosen? I...
Starsurge and Fall get tagged by both damage types.
Since they're 'astral'
violet seal
lights_potential_2 and potion_of_recklessness_2
like "copy=Lights Potential
potion=lights_potential_2
copy=Recklessness
potion=potion_of_recklessness_2"
thank you thank you it worked
lofty depot
what is the point of Total Eclipse proccing both eclipses using Elunes Chosen? I...
ur spenders will get more damage
because theyre effected by both eclipses
sour basin
Just so I'm understanding, Is there a reason that we spend cosmos on starfall over surge in ST? AK + Meteorites + Weaver surge proc chance being higher? I kinda like slamming the aoe button on ST if it's free
lofty depot
i dont think were running meteroites a lot of the time
but yea kindling good, and the proc on weaver is higher so higher chance to get more surges which then gives more solstice
its just a loop
sour basin
Gotcha alright. I think the wowhead kotg incarn build has meteorites on it
waiting for dreamgrove to get updated
appreciate it
sour basin
Sounds good, I will yolo it slightly, thanks
lofty depot
just look at warcraft logs prior to going into raid
ezpz
watch rwf gamers do splits
sour basin
giga brain
ancient adder
i mean the builds are so similar
there arent many changes for the kotg build from single to multi
natures balance versus atherial
lofty depot
well when he asked about meteorites, it was more telling him its not because of it
ancient adder
ahhh yea
sour basin
Yea it looked like that to me too, I just wanted to understand why I was doing certain things
lofty depot
but yea the builds are all like 1 or 2 talent point diffy
ancient adder
which is funny because it was the opposite last expac
lofty depot
see if we play like wildmushrooms
i pray
i wonder when theyre gonna fix augment rune giving wrong int
violet seal
lights_potential_2 and potion_of_recklessness_2
do you know wherje i can find strings lik,e this for other consumables
like food
👀
normal pilot
aren't there only 2 food? primary stat & highest secondary
loud kettle
do you know wherje i can find strings lik,e this for other consumables
you just need to know the names, replace spaces with _ and strip non alphanumeric symbols
dawn surge
but yea kindling good, and the proc on weaver is higher so higher chance to get ...
oh so even in pure st when we get the free proc for starsurge/starfall we do starfall? is that reliant on any other talents or just always?
lucid olive
Reliant on Starweaver
lofty depot
which u also dont send starfall if its one of ur first 3 spenders in eclipse unless its a weaver proc
hardy hazel
Sry guys if its asked hundreds times already what should we craft tomorrow??
sour rampart
hes ahead of us already 👀
It's Monday now 😮
hardy hazel
Thnx
lofty depot
what about ascendant ecplise first 3 stacks, and weaver proc
well right ur casting surges for the first 3 casts so if its the weaver surge proc thats still teh same thing
u would cast surge procs first then starfall last
if u had all 3 that is
nimble tangle
if u had all 3 that is
yes sir as i learnt
delicate perch
Monday 3pm btw
3pm 
elder remnant
@lofty depot any news on feral?
lofty depot
Smh
spice roost
i compared my pre-tier moonkin and feral sims and laughed
tier set that powerful huh
still robin
did you all see the M0 skoll did last night? i guess the buffed the fuck out of us.+
wrong chn
delicate perch
and feral is the best spec in the game
can you really trust a cat to do things correctly?
round field
not at all
jaunty blaze
They can be as good as they like they still smell
tawny linden
I have a question regarding cd management in EC: how do we manage 2 incarnations and 2 eclipse? Do we alternate them or give priority to incarnation (boss fight)?
jaunty blaze
You use them as the fight demands
Can be back to back
Or for when adds spawn for example
But you want to use your eclipse stacks in between
To not waste them
Just a simple example would be start fight with eclipse. Use the instant cast and then enter incarn
sudden flame
can you really trust a cat to do things correctly?
whip out the lets make the melee spec not be able to melee sim to prove it wrong
dim solar
So basically we go FoE into 3x starsurge and then Trees?
round field
whip out the lets make the melee spec not be able to melee sim to prove it wrong
Why does ws sim 120k
Explai
tawny linden
Just a simple example would be start fight with eclipse. Use the instant cast an...
Hmm, thanks for the tips
delicate perch
whip out the lets make the melee spec not be able to melee sim to prove it wrong
falling for my ragebait is honestly more shameful than falling for kekkers bait
but thank you for your service
round field
Does ec play trees???
ruby badger
I have a question regarding cd management in EC: how do we manage 2 incarnations...
As long as you're not letting either cap it should be fine, but you'd probably want them laid out so incarn covers any moments where you might be able to do more damage for whatever reason
delicate perch
Does ec play trees???
try again 
foe presser trees
jaunty blaze
confusion
delicate perch
ruby badger
That's KoTG with Beam
delicate perch
what part of that is ec lmao
jaunty blaze
Ec doesn't play trees
round field
what part of that is ec lmao
The question from the sprout
ruby badger
It's a choice node with new moon
round field
"Foe surge trees?"
jaunty blaze
idk I think the timeline there is pretty clear
Setup everything press foe
Then enter cds
round field
yea what part of that is E C though?
Shit its a different person 
jaunty blaze
And dump
round field
I need coffee
round field
I have candy
tawny linden
As long as you're not letting either cap it should be fine, but you'd probably w...
And try to always have enough AP to get 3 stacks of starlord back when entering either Eclipse or Incarn, right?
round field
Chat i spilled water over my keyboard will my pc explode if i plug it in now 3 days later
primal parcel
Raidbots says the balance profile is "untested", do I need to get simcraft set up locally or will that be fixed sometime soon?
ruby badger
And try to always have enough AP to get 3 stacks of starlord back when entering ...
Yessir
jaunty blaze
And try to always have enough AP to get 3 stacks of starlord back when entering ...
When you use eclipse to get the stacks rolling before incarn you don't care for starlord in the eclipse
ruby badger
^
jaunty blaze
Raidbots says the balance profile is "untested", do I need to get simcraft set u...
It's fine to use
primal parcel
It's fine to use
👍 thanks
tawny linden
When you use eclipse to get the stacks rolling before incarn you don't care for ...
I did not get, sorry. We do not care to build 3x starlord as soon as we enter eclipse?
jaunty blaze
Let's say you have all cds
You dot everything then enter eclipse
If you get a touch of the cosmos proc you use that
Then use you instant starfire
Then you press foe into incarn
But you don't build up starlord stacks
Because incarn overrides them anyway
tawny linden
Ooh, ok now I got it, thanks.
royal zenith
(sanity check for myself)
jaunty blaze
Uh weekly quest
royal zenith
1st = world tour
2nd = weekly
jaunty blaze
You got 2 in week 1
royal zenith
what's the 3rd?
jaunty blaze
2nd weekly
royal zenith
delicate perch
weekly + world tour was last week
you either missed a week or have this weeks to do
jaunty blaze
I think you can get catchup in delves
royal zenith
why do you care that I care
round field
take game at ur own pace stop treating it as wikislip
slop
cause i care about u
and this game is bad for u
royal zenith
round field
this is worse than a breakup...
royal zenith
I dunno, we have a raidgroup
and I don't want to int progress
so why would I not care
IQNI?
round field
why not int raid progress?
i do that every tier
and every tier we get higher ranks
therefore inting prog = better wr
now im not playing
and we will be worse
mark my words
round field
fake news
best part of boomkin buffs is waking up and seeing jb malding on twitter
thats the real hype
snow elm
is the 19% buff in the pins comparing 4 set?
sudden flame
wah the hell we need to nerf boomkins
sudden flame
leaden gazelle
Is the Balance rotation hard to learn ?
round field
no
tardy hare
A bit harder than before but no
leaden gazelle
Weill I only know how to play Hunter MM we have 4 buttons ><
round field
blizzard made sure no spec in the game is hard
tardy hare
But I guess it is one of the hardest now
leaden gazelle
But I guess it is one of the hardest now
Dying in hard
strong marten
Where can I fine the rotation? Is wowhead One Nice ?
leaden gazelle
There is the compendium pinned
strong marten
Oh Nice thanks
leaden gazelle
I have to chosse between boomkin and MM hunter this Xpac, this is a tough one :(.
vital swift
I have to chosse between boomkin and MM hunter this Xpac, this is a tough one :(...
why choose when you can play both?
violet fern
violet fern
I have to chosse between boomkin and MM hunter this Xpac, this is a tough one :(...
Play Feral instead!
round field
I have to chosse between boomkin and MM hunter this Xpac, this is a tough one :(...
whos making u choose
jade flume
Choosing between cliff and a ravine ggs
leaden gazelle
why choose when you can play both?
I really want to play less.
Also one slot is available in my guild.
leaden gazelle
Play Feral instead!
Ahahah I was thinking to play Feral, the spec so strong but I'll be so bad xD
round field
how are u gonnatake up 2 slots
leaden gazelle
Yeah but I can only have on main.
jade flume
multiboxing
leaden gazelle
We cannot whatever char in raid
leaden gazelle
multiboxing
xD
jade flume
its normal to have a main or
jade flume
@leaden gazelle If you care about tuning perspective then wait for mythic week to decide since thats when we get tuning again
leaden gazelle
You right, but for gear stuff, at the start of the xpac I think it's fair.
jade flume
if you dont really care then just try both and decide after, i think both classes look ok
If you like to play off specs tho, druid is nice
round field
very simple actually tho
leaden gazelle
True that just that I have played Hunter since BC.
Usually I don't care much, but i was also thinking to play heal at some point.
round field
whichever spec u pick will be worse and you will wish you rolled the other one
leaden gazelle
If you like to play off specs tho, druid is nice
Might be the right call.
jade flume
After recent tuning balance also looks not terrible if we can trust the sims
and honestly its a pretty fun spec in dungeons when you can dot stuff around and spam some starfalls
twin lotus
boomie is giga fun
vital swift
the best way is to stop caring about tuning and play whichever spec you like most
twin lotus
depends on what ur goals are
but yes , if you are not having fun you are probably not getting very far
round field
leaden gazelle
and honestly its a pretty fun spec in dungeons when you can dot stuff around and...
I have a question about dots tho.
It is annoying to tab dots all mobs ?
leaden gazelle
be benched and have others to kill bosses for you
This will never happen lol
jolly delta
I have a question about dots tho.
It is annoying to tab dots all mobs ?
Idk you don't tab dot to begin with
As to whether it's annoying only you can tell
jade flume
Yeah i dont tab to dot, i just click on the nameplates and dot whatever is missing
im already used to it so i dont mind it tbh, especially on bamkin with no cast time on dots, sunfire dotting everything in range and twin moons dotting 2 mobs at a time
doesnt take long and easy to sustain with starfall extends
jolly delta
It's like 3-4 clicks per pull. I don't mind it either
Gives me something to do while tank is setting the pack
jade flume
Compared to shadow priest if u missed shadow crash back in the day 
8 full casts to get a pack dotted up
vital swift
what is annoying about it is that i cannot filter debuffs and cant see what mob doesnt have Moonfire on it
jade flume
Fix ur nameplates
jaunty blaze
Time to fix your eyes then
vital swift
i use jundies
jade flume
What is the problem with nameplates though
jade flume
yeah i guess can increase the vertical stack overlap then
but i generally also have stuff dotted up before they are stacked
makes it a bit easier to do during setup
as long as you know you wont just pull aggro
vital swift
depends on tank
jaunty blaze
For what it's worth it's less punishing to not have every single mob dotted
jaunty blaze
You don't lose mastery value anymore
jade flume
Depends how long they live generally
jade flume
But if its some shitter mobs that are in packs of 20 and die in 6s
then yeah dont bother ofc
vital swift
Depends how long they live generally
yes
vital swift
You don't lose mastery value anymore
yes but falling stars have big dam
spice roost
bring back nameplate colors
thats already a thing now
vital swift
its better not to lose it
round field
thats already a thing now
is it
round field
so ur saying theres an addon that lets me change nameplate colors when i dot them
jaunty blaze
But you can't color code based on dots applied
maiden pasture
think thats a lie
jaunty blaze
Can you
maiden pasture
its just based on mob names / types
round field
nice misinformation spread
maiden pasture
it wont update on dots
spice roost
oh not for dots i thought u meant for like other thingds
jaunty blaze
jaunty blaze
I'm fine with that either way never paid attention to the nameplate color
vital swift
that change sucks big balls, they didnt even gave us an alternative
i used to be able to filter buffs
now its gone 😉
vital swift
o7
leaden gazelle
Tbf I never used nameplate before except from the native one.
Seems like I’m losing out on something.
carmine acorn
Guys, icy veins says keeper is best for m+ and wowhead says EC is best for m+ xD
jaunty blaze
Both playable
carmine acorn
does that change on next reset?
jaunty blaze
No
carmine acorn
what are the upsides and downsides of each?
south zephyr
Guys, icy veins says keeper is best for m+ and wowhead says EC is best for m+ xD
I use Keeper it gives me more dps for now, both are good, just use what you like
jaunty blaze
Both are relatively similar
Kotg is more diverse in what spells you use
Probably more fun
EC is starfire simulator
south zephyr
For longer fights Keeper will scale more and higher opener dps.. but you need to test that out when you play m+ 10 dungeons or above
slender island
by the same token, isn't keeper a wrath simulator? 🙂
carmine acorn
in m+? i sure hope not
jaunty blaze
Not in m+ no
carmine acorn
ahah
slender island
ah missed the m+ context ^^
jaunty blaze
The thing is you can play based on preference up to a certain point in m+
Try out what you like more and roll with that
frigid yoke
tried both dmg was similar depended more on the packs. with large packs ec did more
jaunty blaze
Tbf you won't find any meaningful indicator of performance in m0 for boomie
Everything dies too fast
frigid yoke
yup
then again u dnt have to dot
u can open with starfires and starfall if they die quick fck dotting
dawn chasm
genuine question, is there a good reason eclipse is now a button when midnight has been about pruning? do we like the change? is there a good thing coming from it?
jaunty blaze
Yes you dont have to cast twice anymore
obtuse jungle
personally i like it idk about other people
teal dragon
i dont like the gcd on eclipse
frigid yoke
i rather just had 1 cast to enter eclipse ngl
dawn chasm
I haven't played boomie since bfa but i'm gonna have to since there's no healing spots for now, so i'm trying to wrap my head around this new iteration
lofty depot
u can open with starfires and starfall if they die quick fck dotting
Although true u can still do damage without dotting, shooting starts is a big portion of our damage and u won't get any without doing so
obtuse jungle
the fact you can choose when you do it urself make it like maybe high skill ceiling i guess ?
or better control
idk how to say it properly
frigid yoke
Although true u can still do damage without dotting, shooting starts is a big po...
ye but there packs that even when i do they alrdy die cause some bursty fuckers is on it xD
vital swift
i dont like the gcd on eclipse
yeah thats weird , especially when incarn doesnt have one xD
coarse wind
3 people using xd in a row man what year is it
teal dragon
also the gcd is shorter
obtuse jungle
its a good point
lofty depot
Well they do that to differentiate it
teal dragon
feels totaly out of place
jaunty blaze
It's really not a hard thing to get used to
frigid yoke
good thing is out 4set gives us a good dmg boost for now
lofty depot
What u mean for now
frigid yoke
prolly will be adjusted as they said they will be balancing allot
lofty depot
They just did that
obtuse jungle
they did that but compasated the gcd with dammage on apex talents
frigid yoke
they will again before mythic raid
lofty depot
It was at one point 20%
obtuse jungle
so its not a uselees gcd wasted in a sense and you can get some dmg out of it
lofty depot
It's now 12
teal dragon
It's really not a hard thing to get used to
its not about getting used to, it just feels weird that it has a gcd
also a shorter one at that
feels weird
lofty depot
its not about getting used to, it just feels weird that it has a gcd
Again, did the 2 starfires u casted before not have gcds
frigid yoke
are there sims for all classes with new update ?
teal dragon
didnt feel weird cause it was part of the rotation
lofty depot
It's part of the rotation
obtuse jungle
It's part of the rotation
i saw it coming XDD
spice roost
are there sims for all classes with new update ?
yes but they dont matter there all st sims
frigid yoke
i rather click eclipse with full resources then standing there shooting 2 starfires while shit is targeting u xD
lofty depot
Imagine doing a mechanic and u can't cast Starfire to get into eclipse
teal dragon
It's part of the rotation
they literally pushed over years that pure dps CDs that only buff feel ass
lofty depot
Eclipse does damage
teal dragon
thats why they attached so many damage parts to these kind of cds
lofty depot
And times change
teal dragon
nah its ass
lofty depot
No u
teal dragon
blocked
lofty depot
It's objectively better
cedar forge
Like talking to a brick wall
teal dragon
what u mean
lofty depot
Casting 2 starfires during mechanics where ur now stuck not in eclipse wa objectively shit
pseudo merlin
Do we have another "eclipse button bad" chatter
frigid yoke
yes but they dont matter there all st sims
where cnt find them srry
lofty depot
If u can't see that u either didn't do said content or can't see past ur dislike for the smallest thing like a halfgcd on an instant cast
spice roost
i could tell u but they dont matter
teal dragon
i literally never said anything about it being worse or better than what it was before
frigid yoke
Casting 2 starfires during mechanics where ur now stuck not in eclipse wa object...
look he aint no high end mythic raider or m+ cause there bossfights u cnt even get a wrather or starfire in while running from shit xD
spice roost
raid has 0 st bosses
frigid yoke
so eclpse works
frigid yoke
i could tell u but they dont matter
still im curious
lofty depot
U said a gcd feels bad, now it's the CD. Me confusion
obtuse jungle
literally its supposed to be designed better, before you had to do both starfire or wrath to get into eclipse, but not you just use your eclipse while a moving mechanic is happening and you just run while doing starsurge or starfall and keep your dps UPTIME as maximum if you do it well enough instead of running around in circle being mad cause if you waste ap you fuck yourself over
cedar forge
Do we have another "eclipse button bad" chatter
Surprised at this point?
pseudo merlin
Not really
lofty depot
Which in case, the CD change is to get us off of a needlessly annoying maintenance buff
pseudo merlin
How much they care bout it is always funny
teal dragon
literally its supposed to be designed better, before you had to do both starfire...
ohh yeah i absolutely agree its better than before
i am just saying the gcd part feels weird
especially cause its shorter
obtuse jungle
ye but it does dmg too cause of apex talents
they have to do a gcd on it
anything that do dmg has a gcd somehow
teal dragon
hmm i dont know i dont really feel its that impactful damage wise
jolly delta
Also you wouldn't like it if it was off GCD
teal dragon
why not
obtuse jungle
think about us peeking 1 gcd faster
lofty depot
Cuz we would be doing some dumb shit
jolly delta
You'd be complaining about the fact that you have to macro it
But also need to have keybinds not to macro it
obtuse jungle
and being able to get 2 starsurge with 40% crit instead of one at 40 and 1 at 36
it change a bunch of stuff
maybe that why
jolly delta
And you'd be doing some bullshit where you macro it with other abilities
teal dragon
hmm basically the same way secret technique on sub is bound to shadow dance but u also have it as its own keybind
jolly delta
And you'd be like oh no I macroed it to Starfire but now I have to move and I lost uptime
lofty depot
Also, in aoe, the bolts are ass
teal dragon
i dont think it feels that bad personally
lofty depot
In st they do like 4.5% damage
teal dragon
i am not sure if i would bind eclipse
jolly delta
Having a spell on GCD means the class is tuned for it to be on GCD
teal dragon
to another spell
jolly delta
Which means that you can use that GCD to move
obtuse jungle
just press your button faster so you can catch up on that fast gcd XD
teal dragon
teal dragon
yeah i dont know i think its better than before but i still dont like the gcd
it feels out of place
but everybody can have his own opinion
lofty depot
Bet ur problem is u had it one way for multiple years and now it's changed
Playing with it for 12 minutes and make some assumptions
After the first tier u won't give a shit
pseudo merlin
We need a "random chatter gcd button take" doc
lofty depot
Maybe I need to bait more to get better reactions
pseudo merlin
its getting as silly as random things dgers say
lofty depot
Fake adept
royal zenith
royal zenith
wednesday!!
royal zenith
🤮
lofty depot
Grind renown?
pseudo merlin
^
lofty depot
We're not done yet?
pseudo merlin
my char is like 241 and has a 237 neck
just log in to do champion gear m0s tomorrow morning
grinding renown, miss me with that shit
royal zenith
if you think I logged in more than to lvl to 90, do m0 and 2 prey's
you're very wrong
(on 2 chars though)
pseudo merlin
you just said ur grinding renown buddy
royal zenith
I will
quiet drift
if you think I logged in more than to lvl to 90, do m0 and 2 prey's
Twin
Actually did 1 prey
royal zenith
I can't let the team down
yeah prey kinda useless
bountiful delves and champion m0 on reset
pseudo merlin
I play shadowpriest so my team is already let down
lofty depot
Prey gives champ next reset too
worldly swift
Guys how do we use the eclipse spell
I just don’t figure it out
pseudo merlin
is it nightmare tomorrow arcty?
quiet drift
Prey gives champ next reset too
lofty depot
Ye
pseudo merlin
Guys how do we use the eclipse spell
I just don’t figure it out
did you actually read a guide or
lost violet
dont you have to like actively AVOID renown to not be like atleast lvl 10 with evert faction after leveling? lol
worldly swift
did you actually read a guide or
Not really
lofty depot
dont you have to like actively AVOID renown to not be like atleast lvl 10 with e...
No I think u get to like 7
pseudo merlin
Then ask questions if you need something clarified
lost violet
havnt done 1 WQ or nothing for renown, just leveled
royal zenith
that's with all sidequests
lofty depot
That's more than all the sidequests
pseudo merlin
Brotherman actually plays the game
lofty depot
How he at 13
royal zenith
I got to like 7-9 ish renown with doing the minimum
bare minimum
6-9 actually
(I will avoid 7 for a reason)
pseudo merlin
Yeah I was 6-7 on everything after finishing questing
then did delves on second char
royal zenith
NOOOOO
round field
SIX SEVEN
royal zenith
round field
pseudo merlin
I rolled a 67 yday in an m0
royal zenith
I need to get an emote
pseudo merlin
needless to say it was an autowin
royal zenith
ye
royal zenith
betterdiscord you can yoink I think
or whatever thyme/gamz use
(they're 'unique')
round field
you can say that twice
pseudo merlin
betterdiscord you can yoink I think
youre not allowed to use that
round field
which reminds me
pseudo merlin
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