balance

[desert grove]

They dont proc more in aoe situation since more sun thing ?

[jolly delta]

[lucid olive]

crazy

[lofty depot]

no

[desert grove]

Ok ty

[lofty depot]

its procs for min.. .and its like 1 + haste iirc

[sweet sparrow]

Are we back?

[lofty depot]

never left

[lucid olive]

i never left

[lucid olive]

yes you did

fucking guardian player

[lofty depot]

nhuh

[lucid olive]

[lofty depot]

im a supportive raid member

i must do things for the guild

tanking keys probably one of them

[lucid olive]

didnt you find a new guild

[lofty depot]

mmhm mmhm

ye

so now must be big team player

so they think im nice

[lucid olive]

smh

[lofty depot]

mmhm mmhm

[sweet sparrow]

Is the balance balancing

[lofty depot]

were op, locken

[lucid olive]

need to find arctic's GM so i can ping him every time arctic says some sus shit

[lofty depot]

giga bis, SSSS+++

[jaunty blaze]

holy heck

[lofty depot]

@rough root

[lucid olive]

@rough root yo arctic a bitch

[dense dawn]

@lucid olive Where you putting us in the tier list now :p

[lofty depot]

what the

[lucid olive]

i'm not a tier list maker

[lucid olive]

guy has his discord on raiderio..

slim pickins..

[sly wadi]

(but totally SSS tier)

[lofty depot]

idk what that means

[desert grove]

Recommendation for a YouTube guide for balance ?

[lofty depot]

uhh u can watch the tettles one

but he says some funny shit in the opener

[desert grove]

Perfect thx have a nice day !

[lofty depot]

but will teach u enough

[desert grove]

Thx

[livid walrus]

So 105k huh?

[lofty depot]

sure

[jovial hare]

like what

tell me the jokes

[lofty depot]

says to use trees after incarn

[jolly delta]

just wait until my sims finish

but no ye 105k

[jaunty blaze]

any moment now

surely

[rough root]

When I saw 2 notis in this discord I thought I was getting trolled. I was right

[dull dust]

106k with voke

[jaunty blaze]

[lofty depot]

ur getting notified, that im getting trolled

[livid walrus]

😂

[glad helm]

#balance message

As we said, best place to be

Hidden op until it's too late

[dull dust]

cant believe these druids were hiding apls

smh

yall gunna get a fat nerf again ur times coming

[dull dust]

[lucid olive]

check the reply

[nova ocean]

Wat was it

[dull dust]

I dont have twitter

[nova ocean]

Same which is why I need someone to post lol

[dull dust]

[lofty depot]

chancel cant get a away cuz he was helping write apl

so its actually his secret apl

[dull dust]

wym u wrote it

wtf

[worn sail]

i still need more buff

[dull dust]

and concerns with sims direct to arctic

k thx

[lofty depot]

crafting 1h

thats a choice

[worn sail]

i personally thought its the best idea to go for 1h craft

but ur main comes from Back and finger

[lofty depot]

thank god ur in a discord that could help with that decision

[lucid olive]

which one is that

[dull dust]

[desert grove]

In m+ guys how far is convoke spirit from incarnate ?

The problem with convoke is it cast wrath right ?

[lofty depot]

the problem with convoke is it doesnt scale well with aoe

15% off (i made this number up)

[desert grove]

Ok thanks incarnate it is then I miss the combat owl form

[stone ledge]

Crafting a 1h makes all your vault slots 2h

[lucid olive]

that form is only for the old moonkin model

but yeah i miss that as well

[desert grove]

Yeah i got the lunar owl 🙁

[lucid olive]

the updated moonkin model we got in Amirdrassil doesnt have incarnation armor

[desert grove]

Yeah thats so sad talking about that one

[lucid olive]

it was also bugged until like 1 week after patch release where pressing incarn would turn you into the old moonkin model lmao

[dull dust]

gamz stop yapping u have crests to farm

[lucid olive]

lunch break..

[dull dust]

no break

[loud kettle]

a tragedy really

[lucid olive]

the real tragedy

[dull dust]

I never even noticed

[lucid olive]

is that if you use something like transmorpher beacon or gleeful glamour with glyph of stars and press incarn, it turns you back into your regular race

[dull dust]

does the haranir form have armor

[lucid olive]

no

[dull dust]

oof

[nimble tangle]

who tf would even use convoke in mythic+

[drifting nova]

me, i'll try it

it is still 1min right

[fiery bough]

Any talents/build changes with these buffs

[lofty depot]

think convoke is actually better in st rather than being close.... but no

[fiery bough]

Ah cool

[drifting nova]

the real question is what to drop for it

[dense steeple]

to be fair there is an early mast/haste offhand

[lucid olive]

idk talent sim i did yday had incarn 0.3% ahead or something

but its so close that it really doesnt matter

also convoke is auto better on some fights cause of dmg amps lining up or whatever

and incarn auto better on other fights cause they have aoe

[knotty basin]

basically every fight in the raids are multi-target fights. for something like a council fight where we have perma 3 target, is lunar build better for the sustained aoe? or is 3 targets too low for that to shine even with sustained damage

[stone ledge]

In convoke build will we still take fury of elune(asking for button placement)

[lucid olive]

the council boss isnt perma stacked

one of the paladins just horse around and put like a 20yd circle around him

[dull dust]

I hate fury of elune

[lucid olive]

and gives a healing absorb to closest enemy

[dull dust]

give my moons some juice blizzard

[knotty basin]

so are we primarily going to be playing the M+ kotg build in raid? i don't see going full single as a boomy worth it

[lofty depot]

Having a lower level weapon that is 66% of the stats is surely good

[lucid olive]

it depends, for some bosses you might want meteor storm and not aetherial kindling too..

[void jacinth]

is this a pre-season twink?

didnt know that was a thing, sick

[runic mason]

We are back baby

[wintry umbra]

looking at the rotation stuff on wowhead, we want to eclipse with touch the cosmos however we want to use the assendant eclipses on ss but touch on starfall, which one takes priority on a eclipse with touch?

[edgy quarry]

so on Salhadar can be better.. I have to check every boss and think on which template is better for each boss

[lucid olive]

beloren convoke better too probably

not a lot of adds + the egg has to die

[drifting nova]

silence thyself

[dense steeple]

craft mh bis stats, loot myth track raid bis stats offhand more likely to happen than just looting bis staff from end boss on mythic?

[edgy quarry]

yep probably !

[lucid olive]

f5 the page

[dense steeple]

unrelated, how do people have this?

[wintry umbra]

ty

[ornate girder]

prob the 600 moxie gamble bags

[jaunty blaze]

afaik you can have them in boxes

yes

[south zephyr]

Keeper of the Grove or Elune's Chosen? What should be the best for mythic+ later? Will Elune's Chosen scale more during longer fights? Still testing Kotg and Elune's but for my feeling i get much more dps with kotg during m0's

[dense steeple]

thats crazy

[drifting nova]

ec better next question

[south zephyr]

Why is that?

[drifting nova]

kotg is the devils work

[dull dust]

[jaunty blaze]

[sinful stone]

How much of a buff would Full Moon need to actually be worth taking? It looks so cool but I can't justify taking it if it's giga bad

[lucid olive]

you can probably play moons if you cycle them well

shouldnt be super far behind

[dull dust]

5%

sorce the vibes

[lofty depot]

keeper will feel better in m0s cuz shit dies in 12 seconds

we will see how it feels in m+ later

[vale pebble]

@jade flume why are u topping dmg but lose?

team noob?

[jade flume]

gg

im nubr

[vale pebble]

nono report team

[jade flume]

man i cant believe im queing pvp in 2026

[vale pebble]

im so brainrotten

[dense steeple]

why is this thing named screammaxxer

[jaunty blaze]

sometimes you gotta scream

feel me

[dense steeple]

based

[vale pebble]

@jade flume bro how is it

us 3 games in a row is this game dead

[rancid relic]

Will talent builds change at all with yesterdays buffs

[lofty depot]

not liekly not

[jade flume]

idk

who are u queing with even

is it 5man or

[vale pebble]

with dh hunter

[dense steeple]

what you queuein

[glacial linden]

are we gonna be good this season?

[somber path]

yes

[jade flume]

bgs

[jade flume]

yeah tbh not having ealers is not good

[dense steeple]

everyones queieing the training

[jade flume]

we had me and mw queing so we were up good on that department

we were just sending regular bgs for honor farm tbh

i got full pvp set and shit on my priest now

[dense steeple]

im missing 1 piece before rings and trinket 🙁

[delicate perch]

[maiden pasture]

What's the actual gain from the PvP spamming this season btw, ik you get catalyst charge a week early but what else is there

[jaunty blaze]

you can get a hero neck in 4 weeks thats kinda nice but cba doing it just for that

[maiden pasture]

I heard some rambling about some socketed items or something for honor

But idk what it actually was

[lofty depot]

crafting pvp items

theyre 1/6 champ i think

and then yea u buy the gems that cost 2500 honor, 4 to be exact

[jaunty blaze]

how fast does one gain honor these days

[maiden pasture]

4 socketed items sounds kinda big

[woven blade]

We got 20% damage buff and 14% starfall nerf, does that make it 6% starfall buff or how it work

[dull dust]

no idea

[jaunty blaze]

[dull dust]

aoe is gooder tho

[jaunty blaze]

i bet you have some idea

[dull dust]

aoe +9% ish

I cba doing per spell shit

or math

[delicate perch]

Aoe +infinty because people will play the spec now

[lofty depot]

depends if u win or lose

[jaunty blaze]

i mean what do you make roughly per hour

[lofty depot]

no its 3% starfall buff

[woven blade]

Thanks

[dull dust]

gunna need to see ur formula young man

[lofty depot]

🙂

[minor anchor]

an extremely scary button for a lot of people

[shut rose]

fellow boomy enjoyers

are we crafting offhand/wrist yet

or waiting

[minor anchor]

do NOT craft

[shut rose]

waiting

ty

[lofty depot]

2h most likely but waiting prob

[soft stratus]

is it normal that we dont use anymore wrath?

[lucid olive]

with Elune's Chosen yes 🙂

[soft stratus]

okay feels weird haha

[minor anchor]

Fury of Elune, no Goldrin in Raid talents

not very nice...

[lofty depot]

we use both

[minor anchor]

Im 🙏 the apl is wrong and needs 🔧

[lofty depot]

what does the apl have to do with that

[minor anchor]

not much

that build is not for a guy like me

[fiery veldt]

is compendium ready arctic?

[minor anchor]

sunseekers and fury on single feels so unnatural to me

[fiery veldt]

IS IT READY?

[lofty depot]

no

[lofty depot]

we played sunseeker for 2 tiers

[minor anchor]

The Tierset in S2 interaction made it more palatable

but like i dont mind the gameplay too much, its just spiritually wrong

[lofty depot]

think ur mindset is lacking some creativity

[minor anchor]

I want to live in a world where these talents have their niche

[lofty depot]

they have their niche... their niche is that they do more damage than others

[minor anchor]

ye epic niche

[lofty depot]

its a button press that gives u asp and damage

i dont get the problem

"grr i hate buttons, i wanna spam wrath"

[minor anchor]

Its similiar to not being a fan of Starfall being the better button in single target it that was the case

I feel like it reduces the variety of buttons and spell effects and CD sync windows you play around in different talent build

[lofty depot]

idk how u think it reduces variety of buttons

it literally adds them

we dont have buttons

we've lacked buttons for ever

we've lacked procs forever

[minor anchor]

yeye i wish there were more buttons that competed for these talents points mainly

[lofty depot]

well thats fair... but we havent played foe in raid in for ever

so idk what u want

u want ever changing talents

[minor anchor]

I want talents points that outperform spells that deal dmg to Mutiple targets on single target

[lofty depot]

there are talents that do that

theres a bunch that dont.. .but there are multiple of those builds

ur problem is gonna be that theres more cleave in raid than st

[minor anchor]

u are correct

[lofty depot]

usually we arent talenting aoe talents

cuz we lose too much st

now were talenting aoe talents in a close to ST build

and we will likely change kindling and meteor storm around a bunch

maybe theres places we can paly wild mushroom

[minor anchor]

and control of the dream doesnt work on Fury of Elune

[lucid olive]

i think thats fine but it should work on eclipse

[minor anchor]

Agreed

[lucid olive]

they should recycle those talents from early DF beta that let you increase Eclipse duration while in it

and then should make CA/Incarn into a regular CD and remove the interaction with Eclipse

[minor anchor]

dont vibe with that but i will cast judgment after playing a tier without Convoke

Its all i wanted so im legit happy

[lucid olive]

its really toxic that you cant press your cooldowns until 10+ seconds into the fight cause you want to press Eclipse so the CD doesnt overcap and then spend your apex talent stacks to not waste them first

CA/Incarn essentially being Eclipse x2 is really stupid

theres always so much shit in the game with entering/exiting Eclipse that either works when going Eclipse->CA or doesnt

[lilac citrus]

do we expect the augment runes to spike alot they are at like 1400/1500g each atm

[jaunty blaze]

maybe a bit

they didnt really go past 2k in tww either

[minor anchor]

i also dont think so

the patron orders offer them quite a bit

[lilac citrus]

if tehy would go near 1.8k if i were to buy like 5000 right now earnings would already be 2mil

[minor anchor]

and more recipes will earn more runes

Selling that much volume at peak price might be hard

[lilac citrus]

it would be an epensive gamble 😛

[edgy quarry]

Waiting for ?? In case you loot something in heroic mode first week ?

[minor anchor]

also I feel like the market is not predictable? Are people buying on heroic week? Week 2 for mythic raid 1 and 2? Week 3 for the full release?

[lofty depot]

what if they tune embells

[edgy quarry]

Hum..

Recraft but cost gold x) lot of gold

[dense stream]

I mean you can craft 2 blues with embel

If you got 💰

[lofty depot]

get a guild prob

[lofty depot]

ok what happens when u use ur sparks and dont have any

[edgy quarry]

what do u mean ?

[lofty depot]

they craft for

mats ezpz

[edgy quarry]

Yep we've got good crafter true ^^'

[dense stream]

What sparks?

Blues are just crests ? Or am I missing something

[jaunty blaze]

no

[lofty depot]

HE WAS TALKING AOBUT CRAFTING AN OH AND WRIST

[jaunty blaze]

crafting oh with sparks now would definitely be giga troll

[lofty depot]

its giga troll regardless

but u get 2h craft next week

so its just better to wait til atleast then anyway

[dense stream]

Well I was talking about blues in general not his silly off hand craft 🤣

[lofty depot]

ty for contributing to the conversation

[dense stream]

I meant as in you could craft 2 armor pieces with embel if you have any good for boomer

To get some extra spike in normal hc since it is replaced pretty fast

[edgy quarry]

2H not a giga troll on wednesday i was so confused reading u x)

[lofty depot]

well u want weapon embell

double arcano is fine, but long term u want the weapon embell

so ur replacing 1 regardless

[dense stream]

Yes ofc was just to get a spike in hc if people wanted that all that is defi getting dropped when m+ drops

[lofty depot]

gets dropped next week if u farm champ items

[dense stream]

But ya if weapon is bis just slam it

[dense stream]

Is champ not like 246?

[lofty depot]

259 surely

[jaunty blaze]

246 is baseline champ

[lofty depot]

246 base ye

[dense stream]

M0s next week is 246 I think?

[lofty depot]

ye

[dense stream]

Is it even worth slamming crests into 246 champ

[jaunty blaze]

no

[lofty depot]

no

[stone ledge]

Can do the veteran crest upgrade to 6/6 to save 20 champ crests tho

[lofty depot]

and hero gear next week

like those vet items can easily be replaced next week

my luck ill get a hero wrist from delve :/

[fiery kindle]

just keep 160 vet for craft

[stone ledge]

Will we have access to the map week 1?

[lofty depot]

surely

[polar goblet]

Do the class changes have boomie dealing more damage than healers and tanks yet?

[lofty depot]

yes

[jaunty blaze]

almost

[polar goblet]

It's a Christmas miracle

[drifting nova]

instant eclipse fixes that

[dreamy cove]

anyone know if I can do essential cds 1 cp energy essential cds 2
in ayije cdm?

err ap instead of cp/energy

[jaunty blaze]

cp energy

[potent cargo]

u can just double craft 246 pieces with embel next week for vet crests with no consequence

or in my case, crafting 2h at 246 🙂

bc unlucky w wep

[jaunty blaze]

smile moment

[potent cargo]

probably? just fuck around with edit mode and change the position offset

in the resource bar and w/e u use for combo points

[lucid olive]

ayijecdm doesnt let you change anything in edit mode

it locks down edit mode completely to avoid taint code and bugs

[lucid olive]

unsure if you can do currently, but afaik the next update will let you make custom groups for essentials and utility spells like you can in buff groups

[dreamy cove]

oh I see, was wondering why I didn't see stuff in edit mode

thinking I just add 2nd group of essential cds to racials or something else as placeholder in the meantime

[lofty depot]

but u could aslo craft 2h 259 staff

thats big dam

[potent cargo]

i will get in trouble

this trinket is quite nice

very visible

unlike some of the other shit ones out there lol

[nova ocean]

Ya it's telling the other pvp players to come kill u

[potent cargo]

gotta do what you gotta do for the min/max secret tech

[maiden pasture]

fkn shit vessel trinket man

[somber path]

sometimes you get bis trinket sometimes your rolling with junk

[edgy quarry]

not really comfortable to not have nature's balance at the pull.. you can't even spend your three starsuge of the ascendant eclipse :x

[potent cargo]

i got double bis (both gonna be replaced first second when I spam m+ for 18 hour straight on day 1

[somber path]

good

[knotty basin]

We're all slaves to raidbots.

[edgy quarry]

and these, first template you did, seem to sim higher (around 3.5%)

[lofty depot]

im not

[edgy quarry]

Am I missing something ?

[dull dust]

ones aoe

hope that helps

[quiet drift]

Not having Goldrin in greatly affects ST sims

[lofty depot]

u can

[drifting nova]

replace the shitty apex sparks

with goldrinn

[lofty depot]

i dont think ur playing metoerites tho

[drifting nova]

this is druid bud

not mage

[knotty basin]

You are.

[edgy quarry]

Then I have to do more wrath than just 3 at the opener

[edgy quarry]

u don't ?

Maybe on some bosses like on council

[lofty depot]

im an innovator

[potent cargo]

they dont know about the secret sim tool

[lofty depot]

well u press wraths in eclipse....

but u can go take that build and sim it and itll show u essentialyl what u should be doing

[edgy quarry]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/n1ejdmPYZNpLiCpakF7B5c
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/gEbLTV8ArGGoVVLWTtHxep

[drifting nova]

238? hacker

[spice roost]

238 kinda low ngl

[drifting nova]

[solar arch]

stupid question, where do you import the raid ui from the wowhead guide in game

[drifting nova]

I've not seen a ring since hititng 90

they actually dont exist

[spice forum]

i eated them all

[edgy quarry]

I need my shoulder veteran craft and 2h 259 on wednesday x) and this is my alt :p

This quick sim were just to test template

[lofty depot]

edit mode

[lofty depot]

why would u craft on shoulder

u craft on wrist and cloak

[edgy quarry]

This is my alt split, I already craft wrist with embellish arcano and waiting wedneday for 2h, It is the only piece i have in 220 so I was thinking it was the best to do 🤷‍♂️

[potent cargo]

go do some hunts and upgrade those shoulders and wep to 237 lol

[dull dust]

the name

[edgy quarry]

Chat gpt name x)

[edgy quarry]

already did my 2 hero no loot

[potent cargo]

thats not what I meant

[edgy quarry]

And on my main i crafted the ring + wrist with veteran same reason : only peace in 220

[lofty depot]

people do be making choices ig

[edgy quarry]

Why am I wrong ? not sure to undestand why crafted cloak was a better choice ? I used no sparks

(real question i really though I was doing the right move)

[pseudo quartz]

I accidentally used my spark on a pvp ring

[delicate perch]

why are we spark crafting items this week + why a ring

[spice roost]

lmfao

[potent cargo]

decision of all time

[delicate perch]

mind you they had to click like 1000 buttons to do that too

wasn't just a single missclick

[pseudo quartz]

wasnt as funny to me after I realized pvp items dont take sparks

tuff

[sudden pawn]

people are just dopamine fiend hunters

they will shot gun a craft and try to logic their way into being right about it

its fine let them hunt dopamine

the pvp guy is a different story

[lofty depot]

so many guilds doing splits, surely its worth it for them

[flat pewter]

splits r cheating anyway

[potent cargo]

true n real

[flat pewter]

blizz didnt design it around you getting multiple chars spooned

all RWF split exploiters should be banned

[stone ledge]

If it wasn’t designed then why don’t they limit the amount of characters an account can raid on in a given week

[tacit sky]

are we looking good with upcoming buffs yay or nay

[potent cargo]

sure

[flat pewter]

we suck in aoe now

starfall nerfs are bad

[stone ledge]

Lmao

[flat pewter]

i dont do raid so i dont need st buff

[teal solar]

boomkin not viable?

[stone ledge]

Still buffed in aoe quit rage baiting

Starfire simulator is back

[lofty depot]

They would just make 20 accounts

[flat pewter]

just ban split exploiters

[lofty depot]

Viable for what

[potent cargo]

I actually love when ppl come in here

and say something fucking stupid and phrase it as a question

[lofty depot]

U can play any spec, dont let big sim scare u

[potent cargo]

and it's just like outlandish

[flat pewter]

people who take class discords too seriously ruin the fun

[fading falcon]

Boomkin chat so mean lol

[nimble tangle]

so next week M0 will give us champion gears right?

[lofty depot]

This is real life what u mean

[flat pewter]

is boomkin better at cooking or fishing?

[potent cargo]

I'm the ceo of shitposting

[lofty depot]

Yes

[potent cargo]

but it just fries me when noobs come in and ask the real dumb qs lol

[nimble tangle]

okay upgrading all my veteran crests

[flat pewter]

they arent noobs, they're S+ tier shitposters

[potent cargo]

like someone asking if boomy buffs will help them with herbing/mining when the mobs spawn

and it just fried me so fkn bad

[lofty depot]

I'm saving some so I can gamer save champ crests kek

[fading falcon]

Brother, if youre fried at new people asking questions, go outside

Touch grass

[potent cargo]

I touch grass the most out of anyone here

[flat pewter]

someone in the evoker discord asked for competitive sound settings for M+ and raid

[pseudo quartz]

I mean its a legitimate question, how am I supposed to compete with the rets and UH dks for gathering when they can just one shot the mobs

guarding nodes

[delicate perch]

me when I lie and have no clue what I'm talking about

[flat pewter]

im hitting more mobs so i dont ever need starsurge

??

[delicate perch]

yea true

bosses do NOT take up a large part of a dungeon

you WILL save time by taking 5 minutes on a boss

[flat pewter]

i let other people do bosses whilst i kill more trash mobs

[delicate perch]

I just know you deplete +8s

https://giphy.com/gifs/dexter-suspicious-aniflicks-21VTFJTEr1x9ortvO3

[nimble tangle]

i still have adventurer leg, boot and ring

i am fucked

[flat pewter]

8s are too low for my strat

only works in +12s

[delicate perch]

the big leagues

[flat pewter]

yeah

12x harder than m0

its rough

[loud kettle]

You're so right bestie

[lofty depot]

Dam

[delicate perch]

[lofty depot]

Behind before raid comes out smh

[drifting nova]

any alt priest knowers

[stone ledge]

Imagine not going into the raid at 255

Couldn’t be me

[spice roost]

is there any addon that can somethign similar to this

[foggy sand]

from (AOE) "1.7. Keeper of the Grove Opening Cast Sequence" (icy veins)
"With 2-seconds on the pull-timer, cast two Wraths"
why? isn't the eclipse just a button now, and you'd want it ready for lunar by starfire?

[craggy sonnet]

keeper of the grove opening sequence > want to be in lunar

makes snese

[wild dune]

[lucid olive]

do you think i reach the ground eventually

[drifting nova]

wtf disc is either really bad

or I'm a potato

no in between

[pseudo quartz]

nope

you beat the matrix

[spice roost]

yes

[drifting nova]

had that earlier and teleported 30ft 10seconds later..so depends

[drifting nova]

like wheres the holy shit button, it doesnt exist

[violet fern]

Why are there so many cat pfps in this chicken channel

[drifting nova]

imposters

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/341464294132678668/1084704009564205136/orig.gif

[lofty depot]

u cast spells prior to combat so u do some damage and gain some asp prior

u werent casting those spells because they put you into eclipse

[foggy sand]

ok makes sense. thanks
bit overwhelmed, seems like tons of changes since i played it last time. Figured i had to try it when i saw the haranir form

[jolly delta]

@lofty depot what do I add

[bright yarrow]

thoughts about buff? seems amazing

[lofty depot]

feels better surely

[lofty depot]

color wise or

[jolly delta]

no spellwise

fixing planner

eclipse, foe

what else

[lofty depot]

lol wildmushroom yeayeayyae

[jolly delta]

no you can add it yourself

[lofty depot]

lol

thats it i believe

just needed the eclipse to be accurate cuz i cant do math

[jolly delta]

has the planner ever failed you

[lofty depot]

ull have to add that as a condition

[jolly delta]

[pallid bay]

sculpt the stars
eclipse charges
fix whirling stars cd reduction

[jolly delta]

(yes I remember your request oi)

[pallid bay]

think thats it

[jolly delta]

Tbh I guess I dont need FoE

who cares

[lofty depot]

well i requested that too

mr sir

but i figured u remembered

[dull dust]

are trinkets already on there

[lofty depot]

u can add it

[craggy sonnet]

can add them

[lofty depot]

make a custom

[jolly delta]

no he asked me to allow for custom spells to be affected by cotd

[craggy sonnet]

anything fixed you can add as custom

[dull dust]

that sounds like too many iqs

[lofty depot]

yea mage brain could never

[jolly delta]

bro its literally name and duration

kek

[dull dust]

[pallid bay]

[jolly delta]

I will push easy version today

Then maybe fix eclipse tomorrow

[jolly delta]

(the way it interacts with incarn)

[lofty depot]

ty sir

[lucid olive]

if you make a custom the website remembers it too

i made the first one for araz before manaforge

[craggy sonnet]

store timelines? export? 🙂

[jolly delta]

[normal pilot]

timeline tabs plz

and premium timeline tabs to share with other ppl

[jolly delta]

[loud kettle]

force me to pay $1 every day I access timeline

[jolly delta]

how many days did you use it so far

[loud kettle]

and let me buy a monthly bundle for $25

[loud kettle]

no idea

you owe me money ig

[normal pilot]

is there a pro package with AI timeline analysis

[jolly delta]

figured

[lucid olive]

put in timeline and make it write apl

its genius

[loud kettle]

feral cooldowns are too easy...

[jolly delta]

yeah, new models so it's slow

but I do

(it's arctic every time)

[lofty depot]

huh

[jolly delta]

you're the dreamgrove.gg ai timeline analyzer

[loud kettle]

ur the ai

[jolly delta]

dont tell anyone tho

[lofty depot]

[loud kettle]

honestly im the only real person here

[craggy sonnet]

too bad its hallucinating like crazy

[loud kettle]

u guys are all clankers

[jolly delta]

god i wish

would mean nothing to worry about

[dense steeple]

make me a clanker please

let me live as an ai

watch i already got the RP down

BEEPBOOPBOP OH IM SOOO THIRSTY STEPDATACENTER

[dull dust]

[potent cargo]

@jolly delta what was the planner thing you mentioned

apologies I am not compeletely familiar with your game

[craggy sonnet]

https://www.dreamgrove.gg/planner

[potent cargo]

ah v cool

now just need it to export to mrt

[jolly delta]

[dull dust]

gj vinter

I appreciate u

[jolly delta]

imagine how cool it would be if I had three times my actual free time

[potent cargo]

[dull dust]

u can just quit ur job

[jolly delta]

not even 240 yet

smh

[potent cargo]

my adhd too strong to ever complete anything otherwise I would be so much more bothered to develop things

[jolly delta]

ye same this is why planner is broken

and it's like 2 days until s1

[limpid kernel]

I mean, wait, we're juggling now 4 CDs AND eclipse button for ST? CA, Convoke, trees and fury of elune to sync with each other?

[jolly delta]

and im fixing it because of the dealine

[potent cargo]

is it really juggling when you press them all together?

[limpid kernel]

assuming boss dies in 30sec after pull

[jolly delta]

We were specifically talking about a tool that helps you with that

[potent cargo]

boss can live for 200 minutes its meaningless lol

[limpid kernel]

yeah, I read, I know, still crazy

I need some foot pedal

[jolly delta]

ty btw

[dull dust]

[lofty depot]

all those cds are the same time

and if u play control ur just pressing foe when its up

[jolly delta]

as payment im willing to accept one CE boost so I can skip the "playing with shitters for one season"

[lofty depot]

blud needs a foot pedal for buttons we've pressed before

[potent cargo]

[lofty depot]

wait til we add wild mushroom

ur gonna be in shambles

[limpid kernel]

pls stop, I beg you

[limpid kernel]

mb, FoE cd reduction is in EC, so yeah, kind of syncs

I mained holy priest, I pressed 3 buttons for damage lol

[lofty depot]

well a dps spec has more

crazy tech

[dull dust]

did i add the control thing to the sim

[limpid kernel]

I know, last time I played moonkin was garrosh 25hc...

time flies

[dull dust]

[lofty depot]

go check or

[jolly delta]

my man

you need to be removing things

not adding them

[dull dust]

wym

[lofty depot]

all that rat does is remove things

[jolly delta]

prune everything

simplify

[lofty depot]

hasnt added damage once

[dull dust]

mb

[jolly delta]

makes it easy to reason about the rotation when we have only 2 buttons

[dull dust]

[jolly delta]

then we optimize

[tacit oriole]

Should I craft a 246 pants to replace 230 pants or hold vet crests for next week

[nimble tangle]

oh, raidbots has not implemented 3/17 tuning right?

[tacit oriole]

literally the only thing left under 237

[dull dust]

also ec is basicly 3/4 just write the things on the list

[lofty depot]

unless u use the overrides no

[nimble tangle]

OKI

[jolly delta]

btw I fixed my profile

[nimble tangle]

new EC single target rotation is still not bad

[dull dust]

did u find 15k

[nimble tangle]

i can do higher than sim

[jolly delta]

literally not a single gain in sight

lmao

[craggy sonnet]

no

[dull dust]

theres some 0s

[jolly delta]

but half of the things

dont matter

[potent cargo]

vintercraft is INSANE

[jolly delta]

[dull dust]

I wonder if those change on diff stuff

are u running multiple talents with that

how is remove starsurge 0.1

[jolly delta]

no it's just kotg convoke 2m

[potent cargo]

wtf is the uh

setting called

this xpac

[dull dust]

yes

[potent cargo]

for adding sockets to shit

[jolly delta]

it's actually a gain

[lofty depot]

there isnt one

[jolly delta]

[potent cargo]

nice

[lofty depot]

u can get them from vault still

but all jewelry have sockets on them

[dull dust]

what is is doing exactly

[lofty depot]

and then u can add a setting to what helm, wrist, belt

[jolly delta]

let me run simc string on raidbots

ah nvm sorry

im an idiot

[dull dust]

that seems wrong

[jolly delta]

[dull dust]

[jolly delta]

no well

it's a 0% diff to remove it in ec_st

because i had kotg

[dull dust]

nice

[craggy sonnet]

sick

[ornate girder]

i wish i understood any of this

[jolly delta]

but tbf I was expecting for this to be more useful

not sure if its because my thing sucks

or because your apl is too good

[craggy sonnet]

realistically, all this would be able to find is if any sub condition is completely useless

doesnt tell you if its optimized, just that it is better than not having it at all

[daring mulch]

Buff for boomie is good as like before on TWW or better? 😅

[jolly delta]

well, not really right, it also shows the sensitivity

[pseudo merlin]

@sour rampart can you link ur guide doc thingy

[jolly delta]

but yeah, its not like im comparing all the combinations sure

i wasnt planning to actually find 15k

but still

[craggy sonnet]

ye sure. just meant if you wanted to find gains with it

[dull dust]

deffinitly isn't this

[lofty depot]

we were dogass in tww

[dull dust]

[lofty depot]

so yes its better

[dull dust]

im still convinced I can find 5%

if i was smarter

[lofty depot]

yea me too

if u were smarter, not that i would find 5%

[dull dust]

[daring mulch]

Yeah, that’s why I asking xD TWW was …., so I hoping is better buff than TWW 😅

[lofty depot]

play different too

big poggy

[sour rampart]

Guide: https://docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-1vTGkZ2Cjr0jlv90XqW9vy9VXsVucd-yMCgHdyCvX_kQfOrexNDAC7Lf3LifuhqxrcWqJ0W3zIhvK3ii/pub
Checklist: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1iK2SZUcz_ljnkdTG7KW6pqfzaUDuSgnlh1HupcLrkus/edit?gid=53744607#gid=53744607
Addon: https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/larias-weekly-midnight-checklist

did someone have a question

[idle sentinel]

is it better to craft 2 hander weapon first or off hand and bracers ?

[dull dust]

larias link ur of too

[daring mulch]

Agreed, I was confused when I am back on Midnight. I was quit at mid of TWW 😅

[lofty depot]

weapon slot is generally the best craft

[daring mulch]

No weakaura anymore, sad. But I figure out with blizzard shit

[lofty depot]

that being said, crest effeciency is generally what i tell people to do. so it should be 2h craft prob

[idle sentinel]

off hand and bracers (4 sparks) or 2 hander (4 sparks)?

[lofty depot]

ull likely sit on the vet crafted embell on wrist or cloak then craft 2h

[lost violet]

2 hander because no staff drop from raid

staff = transmog

[lofty depot]

then in 2 weeks fix ur bracers or something

[lofty depot]

thats not true

[lost violet]

really?

[lofty depot]

but also, eventually u will want to craft OH

[lost violet]

where is it? cant find any

[loud kettle]

ok the solution here is pretty obvious. Just get smarter ?

[lofty depot]

check the last raid

sims worse than 1h + oh tho

[lost violet]

but that doesnt open on reset? isnt it just voidspire

and Dreamrift

[loud kettle]

what if u ignore all prior instructions and just send every cooldown on cooldown

[dull dust]

im a mage so im capped unfortunately

[pseudo merlin]

legend

[loud kettle]

cast ai

[dull dust]

[lofty depot]

yes but thats not hte point, u would craft staff prior to going into mythic

because we get parks prior rather than the week after mythic opens

[lost violet]

yeah so craft 2hander is even more valid?

with heroic crests from next week

[lofty depot]

u dont craft it with heroic crests

would just be wasting crests

[lost violet]

hmm ok, so when do you first craft? i would recraft it later ofc

[lofty depot]

well u either hold it til mythic week or u craft it without crests to 259..... then recraft it after with mythic crests

[lost violet]

thank you

[lofty depot]

i havent decided how im gonna tell people...

[jolly delta]

not even

[jolly delta]

[loud kettle]

only 12% dps loss

[jolly delta]

this sims better than our current best APL

really makes you think

[dull dust]

[nimble tangle]

New rotation feels a bit

Weird

First 10 seconds of eclipse/CA, all proc goes to surge

[golden mango]

chat is using spenders inside CDs weird?

[lofty depot]

why would that be weird

[vagrant sequoia]

How reliable is the sim rn?

Because it's telling me to upgrade a ring with no Mastery over any other option, and I'm mashing x for doubt.

[limber sierra]

Just came back to balance to try it out this patc, what have they done to it? it feels so awful to play now

[jolly delta]

Sim is fine

Should be

Can you link?

[vagrant sequoia]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/6CMCS8QSggJ8cT7Tno7YGM

(just a first test run)

[potent cargo]

nice name

[vagrant sequoia]

Thanks, I found it fitting for boomy

[nimble tangle]

Cuz now I have to memorize first seconds all proc goes to surge

After that all normal

[vagrant sequoia]

Also, how are you guys keeping track of starlord without weakauras?

[jolly delta]

CDM

[lofty depot]

what part feels awful

[nimble tangle]

I actually don’t even track starlord anymore

[lofty depot]

i dont see the problem

crit is good

[vagrant sequoia]

Alright, so definitely just upgrade the ring?

[jolly delta]

hm

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5Ya4GfZJiy7Rk8P83SBxm1

why am I getting more

with no upgrades

is it just the enchant or what

[vagrant sequoia]

You have zul'jin on the ring

[ripe slate]

idk if it matters but you have latest and custom APL set

[jolly delta]

yeah but also didnt spend any crests

[ripe slate]

the 40k sim is on weekly

so it may not have the APL updates that got pushed yday or so

[lofty depot]

assume it doesnt

cuz he pushed the apl last night

[jolly delta]

yeah it doesnt/shouldnt

[jolly delta]

well, I was checking with Gamz's

[vagrant sequoia]

How do I run the sim with the new apl?

[jolly delta]

just to doublecheck

but yeah looks fine

[jolly delta]

it's already updated

[lofty depot]

well u should change ur simc version to latest

but its already in there apparently

[meager storm]

how about u lock in

[ripe slate]

[lucid olive]

holy

that emote small as hell

[vagrant sequoia]

Okay yeah, I swapped to the nightly and the sim now says my current gear is more dps

I think the nightly build doesn't work with upgrades?

[lofty depot]

i said latest

why did u do nightly

smh

[vagrant sequoia]

oops

Same thing is happening on latest

[jolly delta]

@lucid olive does the simc version include apl or

[jolly delta]

But this doesn't mean much

Maybe your current gear actually is more dps

[vagrant sequoia]

Surely upgrading with crests would result in some dps increase xD

[lofty depot]

@meager storm grinding honor on main and alt

thats diabolical

[jolly delta]

@vagrant sequoia go here, scroll to the bottom, copy custom apl

then do a sim yourself using that one

(you paste it at the bottom)

see if it changes something

if it does then we might've broken something

if it doesn't then either there's no issue or the issue is with simc

On the phone rn so can't do it myself

[meager storm]

nah just doing the daily bonuses

[lofty depot]

ah

[vagrant sequoia]

Where can I get the APL to paste >.<

[jolly delta]

Ah the bottom of the link I sent

[jolly delta]

Here

Custom APL

[vagrant sequoia]

Yeah, it's not including the upgrades in the sim

[limber sierra]

Honestly eclipse being on a GCD and a cool down just feels very clunky

[lofty depot]

cuz casting 2 starfires didnt feel like shit

hm

[delicate perch]

real

[jolly delta]

Idk sounds unlikely you're the only one to face the issue

But sadly can't help you further

Going to bedge

[vagrant sequoia]

That's fine, I was just trying to see if there's was an easy way to min-max the damage

But let's be honest, we're probably looking at like < 0.1% difference

[regal knoll]

whats a decent cheap weapon enchant i can use thats not acuity of the rendorei

[lucid olive]

you dont have enough crests or whatever to upgrade

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/egeavjzQqWoqQX1JsK7DRs

heres with the upgrades

[vagrant sequoia]

That's going over the available crests >.<

[lucid olive]

yeah

you put a custom value in the box

i just maxed it for fun

[vagrant sequoia]

Yeah, I put 140 because I have the leg craft up

[lucid olive]

if you wanna sim small upgrades you could include one item from each upgrade step

also mastery is not the "end all be all" that it was previous

its still your best stat, but you want a healthy mix of haste and crit on top of it

so a good way to balance that out is having some crit/haste on jewelry

[dreamy cove]

is it normal to not see pandemic in acdm?

[lucid olive]

no

do you have another addon affecting the CDM in any way

[dreamy cove]

maybe twintops resource bar? Other than that don't think so...

I'll try turning off things one by one I guess

[lucid olive]

i assume you have an addon somewhere with a setting named something like "aura display removal" or something

[dreamy cove]

ok after reload working strange
is it possible to change pandemic indicator to something else like green shade

[teal sphinx]

@delicate perch can you tell your dad Mr.blizzard himself to buff arms warrior please

[delicate perch]

https://giphy.com/gifs/tophermcgee3-cap-old-captain-america-UWMqiZtcixB4MoWX20

[potent cargo]

how do I craft around this boys

otherwise im praying inshallah 246 2h from the first m0 i do

[lofty depot]

huh

[eager raft]

just rip a 2h

[dreamy cove]

can I show buff duration on cooldown icon in some way like how old weakaura used to work?

[cunning bronze]

Why does Icyveins M+ build contains Shrooms in build, while M+ build on wowhead doesnt? What is currently the best played dungeon build`?

[silk harbor]

do you think that buff Tuesday going to move us up on the Tier chart?

[potent cargo]

there is no such thing as a tier chart

its all fake

[potent cargo]

yeah some of the cdms do this off the top of my head

[muted citrus]

dm me for the official tierlist

[lofty depot]

dont do it

thats the fake tierlist

[sly wadi]

Real Tier List come Tues:
Boomie: SSS+
Everyone else: Dumpster

[lofty depot]

sooooooo theres like 5 talents that dont actually matter and u can move around freely until someone decides theyve found the giga meta ultra bis build and everyone copys it

[lofty depot]

see fake tierlist, this guy cant be trusted

[sly wadi]

y u gotta out me like that

[lofty depot]

fake tierlister

[sly wadi]

would've gotten away with it too, if it weren't for you even faker tierlisters 😔

[muted citrus]

you havent even seen my tierlist how do u kno

dm me

[lofty depot]

smh, ur right

i wont be dming tho, sticking with the narrative

[warm dagger]

Are we going to keep dooming for another buff?

[sly wadi]

works for dks

[potent cargo]

i dont wanna see tier list but i wanna see somethin else

[lofty depot]

is fine

[dull dust]

@lofty depot is it just 2 reps that give useful gear rn

[lofty depot]

well all 4 did

cuz theyre champion pieces

[dull dust]

unfort

i dont think i have time todo the other 2

[delicate perch]

log in and lock in

[dull dust]

can i do them in like

5hours

from 6

[lucid olive]

yeah probably

start doing sojourner quests in the zone

[elder remnant]

Mmmm 20% aura buff puts boomkin middle of the pack meanwhile feral gets 8 and is now out of control

[lucid olive]

pick up the rep treasures

[elder remnant]

Love to see it

[dull dust]

wtf is s sojourner quest

[lucid olive]

look up sojourner in your achievements

its just loremaster achi for each zone

[dull dust]

oh

ew

[lucid olive]

tbh picking up the rep treasures prob good enough depending how many youve picked up already

[dull dust]

i doubt ive picked up very many

[potent cargo]

Anyone know if ayj cdm has pandemic

can't find the fkn setting

ooh nvm just found it, right click the spell in the tracking

[tender elbow]

I sent a friend request for an updated tier list

Says we gotta be friends according to bot 😔

[lucid olive]

get rekt

[lofty depot]

rekt

[tender elbow]

I was curious 😭

[potent cargo]

feral S tier

Boomy B tier

🙂

[nimble tangle]

sounds about right

boomie still low B tier

needs more

MORE

[potent cargo]

boomy obviously more than fine to do every boss in the raid

if u wanna be a real min/maxer u gonna be ripping some feral bosses, some boomy maybe

[sour rampart]

@lucid olive I'm looking for feedback on this, do you think it's correct for boomie?

**First Craft: **A 2h weapon with an embellishment. If you want a small boost going into N/H week, you can craft it on reset with no crests then update it with Myth Crests the week after. There is sometimes an argument to be made to wait for first mythic vault. I do not think this season that is a good argument. First, there is no 2h int weapon from the raid other than from the final boss. Second, normally during early seasons you have too many crests and not even sparks or items to spend them on. This season, because we are getting our 3rd craft at the time we normally get our 2nd craft, you would have too many crafts and not enough Myth crests to spend them on. It's a massive crest save to 2h, even if you're lucky and get myth 1hers down the line. Third, crafting a weapon lets you pick other items from your vault - a myth tier piece, BIS trinket, etc.
Second craft on: Whatever your class discord and simming recommend.

[potent cargo]

i think the wep embel is pretty cracked too yeah?

[flat pewter]

catweave in balance druid for optimal dps

[lucid olive]

yeah hunt is pretty good

[potent cargo]

at least from what one of my guildies who is a knower says

[lucid olive]

complete bis is probably 2x arcanoweave lining

but who cares bout that

get yourserlf a big old mythic staff week 1

show em

[potent cargo]

fwiw i feel like the wep craft was gonna be the play for everyone

[loud kettle]

Lame use something cool like the boots or ring

[delicate perch]

pvp ring imo

[lucid olive]

all though you might be better off crafting a polearm

[sour rampart]

lmao

[lofty depot]

was also gonna look into second craft

possibly being off piece

[sour rampart]

Well, assuming that someone actually WANTS to be a boomie

[dreamy cove]

anyone know why my arcui icons won't go 6x1 here

[sour rampart]

You think that's the play?

[potent cargo]

get rid of arc and swap to ayj

[dreamy cove]

afaik ayj I can't show buff duration on the cd

[lofty depot]

but yea, i was talking about it earlier, i dont htink theres a world u dont 2h craft heroic week

[dreamy cove]

if you know how please teach me

[potent cargo]

I just do this

[delicate perch]

an int polearm for xmog though right............................

[potent cargo]

show buff separately

[sour rampart]

yeah that's where I'm landing

[dreamy cove]

yeah I dislike that unfortunately

[potent cargo]

rip

are all those icons essential?

[warm dagger]

whats the addon called?

[potent cargo]

like they're in the right container

[sour rampart]

But I wanted to make sure I'm aligning with discords because there's nothing worse than if I give the wrong advice and they come into the discord and say "BUT SO AND SO SAID THIS"

[potent cargo]

ayije cdm

[dreamy cove]

yeah

[lofty depot]

the power gain from 240/246 is worth it and then u just recraft it the following week

[lofty depot]

but then i cant say "larias known liar"

[eager raft]

am i bad or does getting good totc and weaver procs make it kinda hard to get your dream bursts off before trees despawn