so its not really balanced but yea
#balance
vale pebble
potent cargo
yes but nothing is gospel
vale pebble
it is but @potent cargo u know the rules just delete that
fathom blade
Are we using Lunar eclpise with foe in st tho ?
teal dragon
So are we ballin after the buffs or are tanks to stronk 
potent cargo
we are ballin
dim solar
Strongest tank got nerfed, so it's just prot paladins topping dps and then dying from a slight breeze.
potent cargo
~17% more than before
vale pebble
So are we ballin after the buffs or are tanks to stronk <:rtasadgerose:142121360...
tanks got farmed mate
guardian got taken outback
jaunty blaze
they still do more than enough
potent cargo
fwiw it is nice to have tanks do some damgur
jaunty blaze
i dont care as long as its not 20% more than dps do
potent cargo
same as healers rly (except rdruid which seems to be in the pits)
ruby badger
Brew will still crank a lot
potent cargo
when vengeance was a thing in mop
tanks would be topping by a mile
that was kinda cool too albeit a bit silly
harsh jungle
so are balance op now?
potent cargo
so are balance op now?
nah
acceptable
but there's 3 more tuning passes in the next month or so
pliant trellis
btw augvoker got a massiv nerf, maybe more slot in M+ so
round field
but there's 3 more tuning passes in the next month or so
3 chances to get nerfed
frail falcon
how big of an aoe buff we are talking here ?
median wedge
20%
jaunty blaze
not really
vale pebble
how big of an aoe buff we are talking here ?
10t 5min one was 8%
potent cargo
biggest buff to our aoe dmg is not doing m0s
vale pebble
with ec weaver
meteorites kindling
(build could be better but doesnt make a diff in what u want to compare)
sand venture
Maybe a stupid question, but why do I sometimes go into both eclipses when I press the normal eclipse button?
vale pebble
total eclipse talent
jaunty blaze
total eclipse talent
lusty echo
So in the end we had a buff for single target and nerf for AOE, right ?
jolly delta
So in the end we had a buff for single target and nerf for AOE, right ?
Who told you that
frail falcon
10t 5min one was 8%
sounds good ty
vale pebble
So in the end we had a buff for single target and nerf for AOE, right ?
read 5lines above
vale pebble
Now time for sandbag
this spec is still not in a position to need to sandbag 
junior thicket
Nah im just happy we got some love
round field
i wouldnt call it love
more like
damage control
like when you feed that one child you never wanted just because its illegal to let them starve
jaunty blaze
vale pebble
ok i was wrong in this, convoke goes up the longer a fight is
spice roost
ok i was wrong in this, convoke goes up the longer a fight is
do u think incarn will be played
vale pebble
yea for sure convoke doesnt scale target count
bronze bobcat
Are there builds pinned anywhere that are up to date?
twin lotus
if u click on sim on the ping
on the pin*
and go down and open the raw input
the section after
#copy=ratttle
has some of the builds that are probably gonan be added to dreamgrove soon
else just use something on wowhead
final schooner
Do we go Keeper Of The Grove For m0's or Elune's Chosen ,
twin lotus
Feels better to go keeper, packs dont live enough
potent cargo
Do we go Keeper Of The Grove For m0's or Elune's Chosen ,
this week you go guardian
final schooner
Icy veins confuses me as it say's to go keeper in the talent section but elune in the rotation section
delicate perch
got some great news for ya then
naive drum
if i play boomy mainly on my farm char, is boomy now again better then guardian to kill mobs fast?^^
jaunty blaze
why would it be now the patch is next week
delicate perch
that would be a next week question but also who knows how much of a rat your farming character is
the buffs aren't going to make some green geared character blast
warm quail
is it possible to sim myself with these patch changes in effect?
jolly delta
is it possible to sim myself with these patch changes in effect?
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Enable expert mode on raidbots
And paste this in the header
warm quail
"Druid sims are untested and full of bugs. RESULTS ARE UNRELIABLE." -> how true is this? 🙂
vale pebble
"Druid sims are untested and full of bugs. RESULTS ARE UNRELIABLE." -> how true ...
not too true anymore
pallid bay
jolly delta
"Druid sims are untested and full of bugs. RESULTS ARE UNRELIABLE." -> how true ...
There are still weird things going on at times
So just be moderately cautious
warm quail
this change though launches it easily to the top part, or am I wrong? warlocks got hit, UH got hit
jolly delta
But overall they're fine
jaunty blaze
not top more like upper middle or something
warm quail
do we have any kind of simming table that sims all classes in ST or something? Still haven't seen something like that
pallid bay
Now 15% of all you make on OiUI goes to me 😄
eating good
junior thicket
receiving such a huge "buff" you think we will be left out of a couple tunings lol
jaunty blaze
why are we quotation marking buff
junior thicket
idk
jaunty blaze
junior thicket
i never went to school
wise aurora
Does this mean I don't have to play Guardian or Resto to get into groups now?
jaunty blaze
you never had to but you likely wont grief with it anymore
wise aurora
you never had to but you likely wont grief with it anymore
You overestimate my abilities
jaunty blaze
junior thicket
why no 100% aura buff man
jolly delta
average balance druid will be happy only with a graph like this
jaunty blaze
idk purple man too close for comfort
urban cairn
average balance druid will be happy only with a graph like this
Whats the graph?
jolly delta
idk purple man too close for comfort
need someone else to be close in dps so they can call the game balanced
wise aurora
Key to topping meters is to use Utility to keep the mobs spread
jaunty blaze
junior thicket
average balance druid will be happy only with a graph like this
make it double or bad
dim solar
eating good
I'll wave my fee if you send me the import
craggy sonnet
whats dis? yk?
junior thicket
whats dis? yk?
my ca cd bar kinda trolling rn is tha tbecause of this?
pallid bay
whats dis? yk?
havnt heard anything
junior thicket
yes
craggy sonnet
not sure if its just specifically the way arc does it thats gotten borked
frosty slate
im trying to get away from arc, its just keeps bricking
craggy sonnet
havnt heard anything
your charge bars still working?
frosty slate
trying ayije, but idk how to set it up so my bars have different styles, maybe its not possible
lofty depot
The tier set at one point was simming around 16-18% inc, it's around 12% now with each one being. 6% which is far better than 9+9.
craggy sonnet
that still projects as one of the best relative value, ye?
most are like 8-12 or something?
frosty slate
is "/stopmacro [channeling: convoke the spirits]" broken somehow? i see some people saying its bugged
lofty depot
TWw our aura buff was like 34%.... We're already at 29, shits crazy
lofty depot
is "/stopmacro [channeling: convoke the spirits]" broken somehow? i see some peo...
Thats not how I've done the channeling macro
Uhhh one sec
craggy sonnet
makes sense to do it like that tho if you have a more involved macro below
craggy sonnet
idk some different spells cast based on talents/form whatever
craggy sonnet
yeah im not checking cd of things
ah yea, i think arc also has bars you can trigger based on spell cast so these probably still work
lofty depot
The only thing u should be worried about on breaking a convoke is surge or starfall
Cuz what else r u spamming after convoke
craggy sonnet
i was just saying
craggy sonnet
is "/stopmacro [channeling: convoke the spirits]" broken somehow? i see some peo...
where did you see people saying it tho?
lofty depot
mmh
fickle lagoon
3 boomies in all content
myth raid will be 2 guardian, 3 resto, 15 boomys surely right
lofty depot
nah guardian in the pit
frosty slate
where did you see people saying it tho?
devourer people saying you should have it for their eye beam
lofty depot
why do i care what devourer people say
they stand in things and die
#showtooltip Starsurge
/cast [modifier:shift, target=@focus] Starsurge
/cast [nochanneling:Convoke the Spirits] Starsurge
made me log on :/
frosty slate
idk i saw it on their discord and also in the wowhead guide for it i think, was just wondering if anyone knew more about what the bug is
pale dome
devourer people saying you should have it for their eye beam
Can confirm they are broken on my devour dh, haven't tested on boomie yet since... Well I've been playing Guardian for obv reasons 😂
craggy sonnet
#showtooltip Starsurge
/cast [modifier:shift, target=@focus] Starsurge
/cast [no...
see .. you doofus have a more involved macro yourselves
what if you press shift
then you wanna cancel your convoke?
lofty depot
idk i saw it on their discord and also in the wowhead guide for it i think, was ...
well ur not describing a bug
craggy sonnet
Not the point
lofty depot
so until u do so, idk what ur talking about
craggy sonnet
But idk if that at all affects convoke
lofty depot
craggy sonnet
But either way, you don't have to put it in front of every ability if you use stopmacro instead
lofty depot
ive never used it like that
and never had an issue
so i will not be changing my macro
craggy sonnet
And you don't have to
But posting your macro doesn't really answer the question either
lofty depot
well mine works, sooooo his is clearly wrong
craggy sonnet
Cause it may be valid to want to use stopmacro
lofty depot
question answered >
hard moat
Hey ! I would like to know what Talent build u guys use for M0 ? Elune or Grove ?
craggy sonnet
"is this bugged?" > "no clue, here is my macro tho"
craggy sonnet
I haven't tested it
lofty depot
apparently its a issue for devourer
craggy sonnet
But unless you encountered any issues with it?
craggy sonnet
Then I am guessing it is dh / devourer specific?
lofty depot
the issue u might be seeing is the darkmoon card issue
but idk if thats fixed or if ur using that
leaden gazelle
Hi guys.
How the balance Druid will look after the patch ?
lofty depot
buffed
warm quail
edgy quarry
Do we have to change the APL to have the buff on our sim ?
warm quail
at what target count do we swap from starsurge to starfall and wrath to starfire?
lofty depot
the apl isnt how u add the buffs
u have to put the overrides from the sim into yours
tawdry trellis
trees or lasers right now for dungeons?
lofty depot
why not both
edgy quarry
u have to put the overrides from the sim into yours
ok i see... may I ask how i do that ? 🥲
tacit drum
is there any addon that will allow me to only track Moonfire and Sunfire on targets and nothing else?
tawdry trellis
having both doesn't follow the class fantasy of World of warcraft having extra buttons. You are only allowed 4 buttons.
lofty depot
is there any addon that will allow me to only track Moonfire and Sunfire on targ...
idk how much filtering u can do cuz i havent really tried
but i dont visually have an issue with platynator
lofty depot
define good dps
tawdry trellis
flavor of the month
lofty depot
yet to be seen
leaden gazelle
define good dps
Let’s say as good as hunter for my interests.
Like top 5, top 10 spec ish.
lofty depot
no
leaden gazelle
Hum…
Where it will be then ?
I guess I should not care much about the ranking.
lofty depot
well ur asking questions about damage and profile in a raid i havent seen
normal pilot
Only rank that matters is first
lofty depot
u can play boomkin without feeling bad surely
normal pilot
Everything else is last
junior thicket
u can play boomkin without feeling bad surely
but can i feel sad
im just happy we didnt get abandoned like assa did lol
leaden gazelle
u can play boomkin without feeling bad surely
I’ll take that.
leaden gazelle
Only rank that matters is first
True lol.
supple widget
well ur asking questions about damage and profile in a raid i havent seen
man this guy is mean or hwat
lofty depot
or what
hexed portal
hwat
edgy quarry
u have to put the overrides from the sim into yours
Ok I found how to do it 🙂 Thanks a lot ! https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/38SpKcKoimFHp1ypVXaQbZ
hexed portal
Okay, whats the conventional wisdom on spark use?
Is it better to go 1h OH or 2h crafted? Can i embellish the OH and enchant the MH?
(Haven't played in about 6 years, so the whole system is wtf to me still)
lofty depot
2h is generally better because u save crests
if u have a 1h and oh it takes 160 vs 80
that being said, u can wait to craft staff after first vault to see if u get a staff from vault
eventually u craft a OH later in the season, but optimization early >
hexed portal
First vault is on the 24th? So wed go no crafted gear week 1?
eager raft
First vault is on the 24th? So wed go no crafted gear week 1?
First real vault is on the 31st since you can’t get myth track in the 24th vault
eager raft
Getting a heroic weapon on the 24th wouldn’t change your decision to craft a weapon
lofty depot
but u could craft next week if u need it
craggy sonnet
if you are waiting till 31st, could already craft your off piece embellishment
eager raft
The first staff isn’t til the 5th boss of voidspire I’m pretty shre
Crafting weap seems pretty safe
lofty depot
well u dont care about that one obvi
it would be m+ one
cuz theres like 3 in that pool
but the assumption is u craft staff before mythic raid
lofty depot
seek help
hexed portal
Getting a heroic weapon on the 24th wouldn’t change your decision to craft a wea...
Interesting... is the stat budget so huge that wed still replace a good H 2H instead of crafting up a lower ilvl vet or champ piece?
round field
PSA for all the sprouts, if @lofty depot says something take it with a grain of salt, he is a very known misinformation spreader in the community and i advise you double check with a reputable source
lofty depot
w
eager raft
Interesting... is the stat budget so huge that wed still replace a good H 2H ins...
You’d have to sim it at that point but it’s very possible
lofty depot
Interesting... is the stat budget so huge that wed still replace a good H 2H ins...
well u can craft a staff to champ without crest then recraft it
jolly delta
PSA for all the sprouts, if @read the pin says something take it with a grain of salt, he is a very known misinformation spreader in the community and i advise you double check with a reputable source
eager raft
The choice would likely be more about what else you can take from vault other than the heroic weapon
hexed portal
Ooh, fair point
lofty depot
ur likely taking tier from vault for better optimization
but ur staff craft this early isnt with mythic crests so shrug
worn sail
that's really cool what addon ur using or profile
warm wagon
so i shouldnt of crafted offhand
lofty depot
its not crest efficient no
severe pasture
so i shouldnt of crafted offhand
u never should craft before mythic crests unless its shitty alt
digital merlin
what is the end % buff including all changes ?
lofty depot
did u read the pin
reef iron
Can I be a boomkin without being the chicken lol
warm wagon
u never should craft before mythic crests unless its shitty alt
but idk i just sent it
lofty depot
next time u can think back to this moment
severe pasture
just send new character atp
warm wagon
send a new druid
serene trail
yo, with elune chosen do we simply not use Wrath anymore?
lofty depot
yo, with elune chosen do we simply not use Wrath anymore?
erhmmmmm u coulddddddddddddddddddddddd press wrath outside of eclipse... but not really no
lofty depot
week1 gambling is legit if u get wep u craft 2 other items
its worse like 2 weeks later tho
serene trail
erhmmmmm u coulddddddddddddddddddddddd press wrath outside of eclipse... but not...
noice 
severe pasture
its worse like 2 weeks later tho
well no diff in future
maiden pasture
u never should craft before mythic crests unless its shitty alt
🙅♂️
digital merlin
That's probably ok, but ST is maybe average at best
wheat scroll
you guys play shroom or no?
lofty depot
That's probably ok, but ST is maybe average at best
thats better than normal
usually were piss bottom 5
wheat scroll
so much different information out there
lofty depot
you guys play shroom or no?
u can yes
wheat scroll
not sure whats the optimal m+ build,
lofty depot
wild mushroom might get some play with burst stuff in raid who knows
digital merlin
thats better than normal
Agree, we are bottom 3 dps last like 10 seasons on ST at the start of the season
lofty depot
theres builds on wowhead
yea for once maybe not bottom 5 for the first 4 weeks waiting on a buff
wheat scroll
ty
digital merlin
If I remember last season we got total 19% ST buff after like 4-6 weeks
nimble tangle
are we top5 ST dps after 3/17? i dont think so
round field
i dont think so either bth
jaunty blaze
literally every season of tww we had to receive multiple buffs to be mid
tawdry trellis
so nothings changed
lofty depot
its only been one now and we are above average
well we received a 6% then 3% now 20%
just in auras
jaunty blaze
details
lofty depot
but top3 at AOE
in past raids we just couldnt do good ST while having aoe talents
tawdry trellis
6 are beter than us
jaunty blaze
most of the specs are very close to each other by now
jaunty blaze
there was one before tuning but its likely not completely updated now
timber oasis
Where do ppl find these sims. I can never find them
maiden pasture
ngl, i always think boomie should stay 6 or 7 at ST
lofty depot
Where do ppl find these sims. I can never find them
most class discords have posted sims with said buffs
leaden gazelle
Where do ppl find these sims. I can never find them
I think it’s to early for the sims no ?
I know Noxxic have one.
lofty depot
ulria makes a sheet with all of them, but is paywalled
leaden gazelle
most class discords have posted sims with said buffs
Ho really.
dense steeple
N 
XXIC
lofty depot
havent heard that in a while
leaden gazelle
Not a good ref lol ?
nimble tangle
in past raids we just couldnt do good ST while having aoe talents
thats blizz fault, thanks to their design flaw
timber oasis
I didn’t think noxxic sims were real lol
lofty depot
sims arent an accurate representation of how a spec will play in raid
but how they simming this
"real" raid boss hmm
nova marten
Hey boys quick question, can we use two Arcanoweave Lining embelishment crafted items?
lofty depot
u add the embelishment to crafted items and u can wear 2 of them yes
do we use them...... we prefer 1 and the hunt embell
lofty depot
prob, but who cares about that
nimble tangle
nova marten
yeah i'm just looking to craft two pieces with veteran crests before raid opens
glad helm
Happy owl
nova marten
then when the season start we go Staff with Hunt
round field
I think it’s to early for the sims no ?
I know Noxxic have one.
i didnt know noxxic still existed tbh
lofty depot
ull have to take off one of those pieces to wear the staff
nova marten
yeah or just recraft without embelishment
lofty depot
Happy owl <:garf:1182703292313255946>
the guide hasnt been updated
is just vinter doing funny stuff
sly wadi
sad owl
nimble tangle
Will be changes to rotation?
lucid olive
Happy owl <:garf:1182703292313255946>
That tracks update date for anything on the Dreamgrove website and not just compendium
glad helm
Nice bait :C
lucid olive
Read the disclaimer at the top saying it's being worked on
glad helm
Sorry I don't read disclaimers
I just read pins
and the last pin is a very nice pin ngl
sly wadi
disclaimer in pins 🤔
glad helm
So this means update coming in 3-4 days 👀
sly wadi
24th
round field
lmao what
lucid olive
Yes
sly wadi
reason 18921892 why i dont preorder
round field
should have an option to pay less and only get access during heroic week
lucid olive
You can't get CE until after 31st
tame dome
17% buff!??! were we really that bad?
lofty depot
reason 18921892 why i dont preorder
how u gonna level 20 characters to be read for splits
lucid olive
Since that's when last boss mythic is out
lofty depot
17% buff!??! were we really that bad?
yes
round field
how u gonna level 20 characters to be read for splits
if u do splits u need mental institution visit
sly wadi
how u gonna level 20 characters to be read for splits
I'm a shitter, I only raid heroic 🧠
lofty depot
if u do splits u need mental institution visit
mmhm mmhm
round field
you know im right
lofty depot
stronger.. maybe not strong
lucid olive
We're okay
lofty depot
hm
lone root
But I'm positive
You need to be
tame dome
I don't know if it's just me, but I've definitely felt like casting is a lot slower and it takes far longer to build astral power in midnight
round field
get more haste silly
sly wadi
stat squish -> lower haste -> slower casts
lucid olive
That's because they nerfed passive AP gen
drifting nova
by the time starfire has been cast
lone root
Starfire 2.2 seconds hardcast what a pleasure
drifting nova
the arcane is on 140k
round field
lmao
lofty depot
stat squish -> lower haste -> slower casts
I don't have lower haste
sly wadi
we can't all be you 😭
lofty depot
Not the problem lol
drifting nova
balanced, as all things should be
nimble tangle
When I swapped to alt devour
lucid olive
It is impossible to have lower haste than Moonkin had in Manaforge..
nimble tangle
I feel I’m a big Chad
lofty depot
^^
lucid olive
I had literally 0 haste on my gear..
lofty depot
Was running around with like 6% haste lol
lone root
Think i had like 5%
round field
It is impossible to have lower haste than Moonkin had in Manaforge..
big number > fast small number
nimble tangle
14% haste is my limit right now
lofty depot
Have triple that now
round field
wrong
eager raft
💀
nimble tangle
I’d rather choose to believe good proc
nimble tangle
Sends me to top DPS
drifting nova
not on starfire or starsurge
round field
just dont starfall
tame dome
the problem for me is that the spec feels a lot less mobile now
drifting nova
just dont starfall
BUT ITS MORE DAM
tame dome
feel like I need to spend way more time with feet planted
drifting nova
lone root
What are you guys thought of eclipse ? Its better than before for sure, does having it off gcd would be that op ?
normal pilot
it's purpose is to make you cast something other than wr/ss so there's no point making it offgcd
the system is half baked still
drifting nova
it's a 0 damage half gcd
half gcds are clunk
...in another universe it would be sort of ok if the overall damage wasnt complete booty
but it is
like an arcane mage having a half gcd
or unholy
wild dune
how is it 0 dmg
normal pilot
they should've just made it moons or something. this is bascially legion system but worse
wild dune
solar/lunar bolt
nimble tangle
half gcd? i thought it is 1 gcd
wild dune
cmon kekkers
nimble tangle
sooo slow
wild dune
they should've just made it moons or something. this is bascially legion system ...
every X ap spent turns starsurge into full moon
drifting nova
a half gcd a decade ago is alot different to half now
normal pilot
they messed around with cds on GCD back in BFA when everyone told 'em it was a bad idea and they eventually learned it's a bad idea
drifting nova
then those devs left
normal pilot
but then all those devs quit so now new ppl haven't learned it
tame dome
I don't like eclipse
normal pilot
it would be a buff as full gcd since that gives you better mobility
tame dome
I think it would be much better if the whole 'balance' thing was more around
normal pilot
ya you can eventually cover up all design issues with raw damage
drifting nova
buffs eclipse without changing eclipse directly
tame dome
when you are using wrath, it builds up power so that your next starfire is more powerful
and visa versa
drifting nova
when you are using wrath, it builds up power so that your next starfire is more ...
woah, "we" hated that remember?
rotating eclipses
tame dome
no not rotating
sharp trail
Hello, we only use Starfire in m+ with EC right ?
tame dome
more like with evoker and how blue spells build up big fire burst on aoe
sharp trail
Not so fun or is it me ?
drifting nova
Hello, we only use Starfire in m+ with EC right ?
yes but no, apparantly wrath is still better but eh
starfire is just bad
across the board
tame dome
think about it though - you would be using single target, and passively build up power into when a bunch of minions spawn for a big aoe burst
and in aoe, you would build up a big single target burst for a prio target when either other adds die or to funnel
and it seems far more about bringing 'balance' than the mess we currently have
round field
think about it though - you would be using single target, and passively build up...
so demo warlock
go press implosion
tame dome
no no
not our minions
as in boss adds
so, each time you cast wrath, you gain a stacking buff that increases the aoe damage of your next starfire and reduces its cast time, up to say 20 stacks
so on a single taret fight that has add spawns, we have a nice tasty burst for when they come in
drifting nova
is twin moons broken?
round field
are they in combat
drifting nova
yes
round field
are u sure
drifting nova
attacking me smh
round field
i feel like someone asked the exact same question with the exact same format like 5 min ago
tame dome
indeed I did
round field
hm close enough
frozen garnet
lot of words
tame dome
summary: yes we were that ass
frozen garnet
very unfortunate
Now I have a question, I’m using an EC build for m0s which theoretically should be better for aoe, but I’m doing near 3rd or 4th on dps but I’m usually top for st. Am I just stupid?
I feel like it should be the exact opposite
sly wadi
no, EC is a slow-burn spec, the mobs are dying before you get your damage out
molten yoke
Yeah we suck in m0 right now
round field
always did
stable ridge
Is this a feral -> balance pivot?
frozen garnet
Feral also got a 6% flat damage buff
So I’m sure it’ll be somewhat viable?
idk I feel 1 Druid spec always has to be ass
round field
Is this a feral -> balance pivot?
just pivot not orange class
life is much better when ur not orange
frozen garnet
I still don’t know why druids are orange
round field
its molded after ferals having the same amount of braincells as orange cats
molten yoke
After buffs Tuesday should be ez getting like 55-60k overall even in m0
lofty depot
I was doing that before with bear
frozen garnet
Was that only dotc or was ec bear pulling insane dps too
stable ridge
just pivot not orange class
should i be pink after those massive buffs xd
molten yoke
Claw goes crazy
stable ridge
definitely not
well im lost then
round field
u just play blue class
stable ridge
theres no fucking way locks are still competetive after that nerf
round field
or purple class
frozen garnet
u just play blue class
REAL
round field
or red class
frozen garnet
runny shammy
stable ridge
nah bro
real flax
theres no fucking way locks are still competetive after that nerf
they are
stable ridge
blue class is not a class without cds
real flax
the other talents are good tho
round field
deserved
frozen garnet
bm hunter
real flax
they only nerfed one of the two hero
stable ridge
green class is for women just like white class
round field
thats actually feral
frozen garnet
they only nerfed one of the two hero
I thought that was the broken one
round field
feral is woman spec
frozen garnet
True
stable ridge
take that back
dense steeple
The fun part about red class, is they took a 20% nerf and are still a top 5 spec but their mods are screaming like they've been part of the holocaust
frozen garnet
ret pally incident?
real flax
I thought that was the broken one
ye but the other one wasnt so much behind
stable ridge
feral is woman spec
is that not bannable
were the chicken players not happy
with these buffs
like wtf is going on
drifting nova
still top
round field
all the feral players i know are either girls or femboys
hell my gf was a feral player when we met
round field
no but they fill the role just fine
lofty depot
all the feral players i know are either girls or femboys
@sudden flame which one
please confirm
round field
definitely femboy
jaunty blaze
rank 1 femboy
stable ridge
still top
"still top"?
gotta challenge all you incels to get an honest finger on the pulse of the health of the spec
good god
jaunty blaze
why is the newfrog in here baiting and insulting
drifting nova
lofty depot
with these buffs
we are all happy
round field
just a lifeless animated corpse
stable ridge
guess it doesnt matter when youre all farming transmog you cant see or mounts u cant use
instead of playing the game
yes?
drifting nova
sour rampart
we are all happy
You're never happy
craggy burrow
kekw
lofty depot
You're never happy
me happy right meow
sour rampart
I can fix that
Actually I can't wait for Aug boomie frost mage keys
Gonna be banger
drifting nova
i've been scammed
round field
guess it doesnt matter when youre all farming transmog you cant see or mounts u ...
wrong
mount faster than travel form
lofty depot
Actually I can't wait for Aug boomie frost mage keys
lock that in
think kvies is the mage equivalent of kekkers
jovial summit
Does balance have a good m+ profile? I’m playing mainly resto and look for a dps spec and since both use haste mastery it would be very convenient. Lets say I put x amount of effort in will I be close to S tier class that puts the same amount of effort in?
lofty depot
its usually better the higher the key is
but meta isnt something u know til like week 10 after the 0.5 patch
pallid bay
that's really cool what addon ur using or profile
@dim solar
https://wago.io/OIUI123
lofty depot
holy shit am i downloading m33k
jaunty blaze
no way real oiui????
magic socket
Is changing the name tag color working when adding dots to the nameplate?
warm quail
```
override.player.spell_data=effect.179696.base_value=29
override.player.spell...
For me this gave the same result as running without it. Is it possible that raidbot is already updated?
maiden ember
Guess we are OP now
lofty depot
doubt
jaunty blaze
true true
warm quail
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/gwD1RuhAUYSNm7n9kFBrW2 vs https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/gxp1vgTHx1JtQzQGf3o9bH
nova ocean
Do we know what percent we get now from our 2pc and 4pc after the nerfs
visual grove
<@375327222803988481>
<https://wago.io/OIUI123>
Which addon is needed to use this profile?
ripe slate
I’m more interested in what % the tier is now after nerf so I can yoink first leather tier tokens
pallid bay
Which addon is needed to use this profile?
click the link
craggy sonnet
I’m more interested in what % the tier is now after nerf so I can yoink first le...
arctic said 6+6
But not seen number myself
craggy sonnet
click the link
Finally getting the crypto miner out there
warm quail
u likely didnt put it in the header of expert mode
Warning: Unknown option 'override.player.spell_data' with value 'effect.1285457.base_value=20', ignoring
Warning: Unknown option 'override.player.spell_data' with value 'effect.1276409.base_value=40', ignoring
Warning: Unknown option 'override.player.spell_data' with value 'effect.1285469.base_value=30', ignoring
Warning: Unknown option 'override.player.spell_data' with value 'effect.280158.sp_coefficient=0.22192', ignoring
Warning: Unknown option 'override.player.spell_data' with value 'effect.68268.sp_coefficient=3.44736', ignoring
Warning: Unknown option 'override.player.spell_data' with value 'effect.191147.base_value=29', ignoring
Warning: Unknown option 'override.player.spell_data' with value 'effect.191146.base_value=29', ignoring
Warning: Unknown option 'override.player.spell_data' with value 'effect.280098.sp_coefficient=1.331', ignoring
Warning: Unknown option 'override.player.spell_data' with value 'effect.179696.base_value=29', ignoring
jaunty blaze
yes you will be locked from the game for 3 months when you choose the wrong one
lofty depot
https://discord.com/channels/114145367322394624/121880895211831302/1482409961622...
sims fine to me
drifting nova
yes you will be locked from the game for 3 months when you choose the wrong one
so crit/haste, got it
jaunty blaze
lofty depot
also
warm quail
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/oJrYho7vgtTdL2HG3tUmbc
check the SimC notifications part
lofty depot
change that
warm quail
it says these options were ignored
drifting nova
is there actually a pve equi of the hero pvp item or
normal pilot
you can't put player options in the header before you even have a player
warm quail
that's better
lofty depot
me fix by not doing
magic socket
타겟이 많을 때 도트 넣었는지 보려고 네임플레이트 색을 바꾸는 방법을 찾고있어 도와줘
craggy sonnet
you can't put player options in the header before you even have a player
Was gonna say, shouldn't you put that in the footer or something?
warm quail
me fix by not doing
so what did you do? 😄
magic socket
I'm looking for a way to change the nameplate color to see if I've added dots when there are a lot of targets. Please help.
lofty depot
so what did you do? 😄
used advanced cuz footer header shit idk
lofty depot
I'm looking for a way to change the nameplate color to see if I've added dots wh...
its not possible anymore
wait tahts curious one sec
magic socket
So what should I do now?
lucid olive
So what should I do now?
look at the nameplate
lofty depot
grow up and play like god intended
magic socket
oh my...
drifting nova
grow up and play like god intended
with eyes shut?
vibes based damage
how I do mine
frozen garnet
if my spells look cooler I do more damage
warm quail
its not gonna be 17% maybe is
20% in yours
normal pilot
ion thinks you should learn to play and watch nameplate icons
drifting nova
have you dotted everything? all that I can see yes
lofty depot
20% in yours
yea maybe maff hard
elfin flicker
=o
drifting nova
ion thinks you should learn to play and watch nameplate icons
I miss my horn sound when I didnt have one dotted
normal pilot
smh unskilled
elfin flicker
really? +20% all dmg is not really good?
normal pilot
it's good not enough to matter
elfin flicker
LMAO
normal pilot
it was never going to be unplayably bad
and it's not good enough to be top
so nothing really changes
craggy sonnet
20% in yours
so in case you missed it .. put the overrides in the base player customization box or below
dry mantle
I'm looking for a way to change the nameplate color to see if I've added dots wh...
Found this https://wago.io/yVOgGvCJI
But it's setup for spriest and didn't work well for boomie when I tested
magic socket
oh thanks!!
dry mantle
Also I was running jundies plater so maybe that was messing with it
lucid olive
Found this https://wago.io/yVOgGvCJI
description says he tested in dornogal
so no guarantee it works in instance
the rules for secret values are different depending on if youre in instance or not
stone ledge
Yeah you can’t track it anymore sadly
It was a great qol thing so I hope they unlock it
floral temple
I just do something like this now to track dots
lofty depot
hope they dont so u all suffer
drifting nova
jfc this abundance is so bad, its so laggy
nimble tangle
when i feel suffered, i log on devour
braindead for 60 minutes, swap back to boomie
lucid olive
It was a great qol thing so I hope they unlock it
thats a pipe dream
jaunty blaze
too hard to track two icons on a nameplate 🥀
lucid olive
also it was a crutch to begin with
who the fk likes the nameplates flashing diff colors
lofty depot
gotta notice different color, cant notice moonfire icon
lucid olive
i used a script for it too, but i changed the color of the name in the nameplate
somber copper
quick question cuz I'm dumb when it comes to macros, would it work to make a macro to go bear form then use HOTW?
elder remnant
Hey guys are you so back?
elder remnant
who the fk likes the nameplates flashing diff colors
Me 
lofty depot
quick question cuz I'm dumb when it comes to macros, would it work to make a mac...
#showtooltip Heart of the Wild
/cast [nostance:1] Bear Form
/cast Heart of the Wild
elder remnant
I just liked my lil borders
lofty depot
still requires 2 button presses
gentle patio
so much customization options got killed only for all raid auras to still be private auras because secret api was not enough to stop addon devs to create encounter assginments 
lofty depot
what u mean
elder remnant
You know what Nevermind because you’re a boomkin
elder remnant
I forgot you just press moonkin form
lucid olive
You can’t get out of bear form with it
ye the nostance:1 means it won't cancelaura your form
lucid olive
which is a good thing
elder remnant
I have to cancelform teehee
elder remnant
ye the nostance:1 means it won't cancelaura your form
Ye
elder remnant
God forbid a Boomie heal themselves for once am I right guys?
lucid olive
cause without the nostance:1 you enter bear form with the 1st press and then use the Wild Growth HOTW with the next one
lmao
lofty depot
God forbid a Boomie heal themselves for once am I right guys?
???
somber copper
I was healing myself, then they took away my beloved Renewal
drifting nova
did we erally have to lose the blue leaf
lofty depot
why r u canceling form JUST PRESS A HEAL
drifting nova
for a shitty hotw
somber copper
gone but not forgotten
elder remnant
Guardian is a better healer than resto druid rn im playing guardian in raid
drifting nova
ruh oh
elder remnant
why r u canceling form JUST PRESS A HEAL
Yuck????
lofty depot
...
floral temple
I was healing myself, then they took away my beloved Renewal
I wish I hadn't learned to depend on it for so long, now I feel so squishy
elder remnant
Who tf fluid forms as resto I cbf
somber copper
frenzied regen still feels good for healing
elder remnant
I wish I hadn't learned to depend on it for so long, now I feel so squishy
I swapped to the auto renewal in prepatch
elder remnant
u might be dumb
And?
twin lotus
caught myself pressing renewal when leveling, will be missed
drifting nova
I thought it was widely known to be a bad button
so whyd it go
blizzard thought it was too good
lofty depot
caught myself pressing renewal when leveling, will be missed
press frenzied regen
twin lotus
doesnt hit the same, u have to go bear 🤢
drifting nova
instead of using renewal to prevent going into bear
ripe slate
when are we gonna get a hero talent that lets us cast frenzy regen in moonkin form like dotc feral
drifting nova
I now have to go into bear to use a defensive
lofty depot
doesnt hit the same, u have to go bear 🤢
why arent u in bear already
drifting nova
good job blizzard
lofty depot
bear op
stone ledge
caught myself pressing renewal when leveling, will be missed
I just moved the health stone key to the same keybind ngl
lofty depot
when are we gonna get a hero talent that lets us cast frenzy regen in moonkin fo...
well they have like feral frenzy
inorder for them to do that, they would have to bring back ravenous frenzy
twin lotus
renewing frenzy
ripe slate
force of nature -> nature frenzy
lofty depot
name change hmm
leaden birch
this is maybe the most calm I've ever seen the boomkin disc
jaunty blaze
almost like being 20% ahead before the nerf and now they are just slightly ahead
big catastrophe
but god forbid we get any kind of buff
the whole playerbase is accusing us of sandbagging again
vapid mango
I don't think most people believe that though its moreso a funny meme
jaunty blaze
is there a single training dummy in silvermoon thats not surrounded by 100s of dummies
jaunty blaze
most ppl do believe it
nocturne swallow
Just saw this gem in a Facebook discussion about squishyness on Boomie
jaunty blaze
cedar forge
Knew it, Gamz and Bora cannot be trusted
thick ember
Am I blind, or does boomy not have a kick?
abstract parrot
true and real
jaunty blaze
solar beam @thick ember
cedar forge
Am I blind, or does boomy not have a kick?
yes you are
plucky valley
Good morning Bala Dudus
thick ember
solar beam <@202397533119447042>
yeah but thats an aoe stop, with a 1min cd.
I just meant the usual st kick
maiden pasture
its a kick
jaunty blaze
thats what you got
pale fable
just got here. can someone smarter than me let me know how good boomy is after match 17?
jaunty blaze
it interrupts your main target
maiden pasture
its a kick with an aoe silence
keen warren
It’s a really cool flashy kick
cedar forge
just got here. can someone smarter than me let me know how good boomy is after m...
better than before march 17th
pale fable
better than before march 17th
thanks
thick ember
ok so no basic kick on a 20 or sec cd? Im just asking cos moonkin was always the spec I never touched over the years, so finally giving it a go
jaunty blaze
no
thick ember
ok thanks
jaunty blaze
you can talent into a 15 seconds cdr if you interrupt something with it
simple veldt
are we sending trees and fury of elune before pressing eclipse i assume?
plucky valley
are we sending trees and fury of elune before pressing eclipse i assume?
Mhm when in eclipse/incarn you always wanna be in your builder spender rotation
Trees is part of your set up before then youngslay
thick ember
is the basic rotation: keep moonfire and sunfire up, spam starfire to build power, spam starfall to spend it? On elunes chosen that is
simple veldt
thats what i figured i just wanted to make sure
thick ember
for aoe
plucky valley
is the basic rotation: keep moonfire and sunfire up, spam starfire to build powe...
Yes and of course you’re spending starsurge in st
plucky valley
is it just a meme or do we actually not use wraith in ec?
Not a meme it’s true and real
cedar forge
whats wraith? sounds like a dk spell
thick ember
Yes and of course you’re spending starsurge in st
got it thnx
still iris
aight, but I probably never want to cast sf without 3 stacks of starlord, right? so try to build up with 3 stacks outside of my last eclipse and enter next one when starlord is running out or above certain ap value?
lofty depot
Just saw this gem in a Facebook discussion about squishyness on Boomie
thank god we look to facebook comment section for our information
lofty depot
aight, but I probably never want to cast sf without 3 stacks of starlord, right?...
starfall is 2t
lofty depot
u cast starfire in ec regardless
lofty depot
lol the tierset doesnt do anything for that
still iris
question is more about when to enter next eclipse, should I do it instantly even when 3 stacks starlord is up from last eclipse and I'm about a certain ap value or try to make most of my 3 stacks?
like 5 seconds 3 stacks starlord, use it without eclipse or enter instantly when above x ap
drifting nova
lol the tierset doesnt do anything for that
let me believe wtf
still iris
currently it feels like when I eclipse early and don't use the full starlord stacks the spacing of my eclipses is off and I have times with like 20s without any eclipse which feels bad
lofty depot
well ur out of eclipse means that u were in eclipse and doing damage
welcome to new boomkin
still iris
maybe it's not too bad when there is more routine in doing the dungeons and pulls, currently it feels worse than ww
wet kraken
Is there a way to copy a topgear website output to paste into the desktop simc?
So I can test some of my gear upgrades.
normal pilot
there's a simc input option in raidbots but it won't give you easily readable profiles so you'll have to do some cross checking
also unless you have a threadripper or better your sims will run much slower
wet kraken
also unless you have a threadripper or better your sims will run much slower
My sims seem to proccess pretty quick. But the main reason I'm using desktop version is that I couldn't figure out how to use the buff overrides with the topgear sims on the site.
Which is certainly just me being dumb
But
normal pilot
oh single sims are fine ya
if you wanted to massive iterations then that might be an issue
still iris
I wish eclipse stacks could be used to extend the current eclipse you are in without having to lose the starlord stacks...
lofty depot
just add it to all the boxes in expertmode and surely it'll work
normal pilot
you'd have to use the CLI also, the simc gui won't do profiles
wet kraken
Which I guess leads to the question of, can you use the buff overrides with topgear?
lofty depot
surely one of them will work
sour rampart
Lord in heaven someone keep this man away from Sims
lofty depot
craggy sonnet
surely one of them will work
just anywhere below header is fine (and header is also fine for anything that is not specifically player overrides)
round field
aight, but I probably never want to cast sf without 3 stacks of starlord, right?...
no entering eclipse removes ur starlord
jolly delta
if you wanted to massive iterations then that might be an issue
@normal pilot if a sim gets stuck did it run out of memory or what
still iris
no entering eclipse removes ur starlord
build up ap / pooling, like eclipse about to run out in 3 seconds, starlord up for 8, I spend ap the last 3 seconds of my eclipse and start pooling the 5 seconds with 3 stacks of starlord outside of eclipse before entering the next eclipse or do I not spend and enter the next eclipse instantly
tawny cloud
Do we ever use starfire on singletarget in Kotg?
normal pilot
wdym stuck? like the actual 'stuck' error or it just stops progressing
jolly delta
wdym stuck? like the actual 'stuck' error or it just stops progressing
stops progressing
round field
build up ap / pooling, like eclipse about to run out in 3 seconds, starlord up f...
idk just go off vibes
both probably fine
lofty depot
Do we ever use starfire on singletarget in Kotg?
no
jolly delta
didnt like more than 41 phases...
normal pilot
hm hard to say if it didn't toss an error code
lofty depot
build up ap / pooling, like eclipse about to run out in 3 seconds, starlord up f...
u send asp in eclipse and build outside... depending on ur cd or what remains with ur next eclipse... u can pool for that but if u get cosmos proc i believe usend
normal pilot
i know it's possible to get like 5-10gb memory usage on giant ass droute sims
normal pilot
but if it's just a simple patchwork i can't imagine memory would be an issue
loud kettle
Hmmm with expert mode adding the overides didn't change the DPS at all
Skill issue
lofty depot
need to check that line tho
lucid olive
Do we ever use starfire on singletarget in Kotg?
you can spend the instant builder in incarn, but also should read the disclaimer on the website
loud kettle
@wet kraken just means you put the overrides in the wrong spot or used the wrong overrides
wet kraken
Skill issue
TRUE
tawny cloud
you can spend the instant builder in incarn, but also should read the disclaimer...
Yeah i read it and when I dont get it i ask here. Thats what i do. Maybe i was a mistake, maybe it wasnt. I just wanted to ask
jolly delta
you can spend the instant builder in incarn, but also should read the disclaimer...
I changed the wording to "It currently contains"
And added it in like 3 other places
lucid olive
Yeah i read it and when I dont get it i ask here. Thats what i do. Maybe i was a...
can check wowhead too
jolly delta
Just now
wet kraken
Should be right, right?
jolly delta
https://i.imgur.com/zCbwWgZ.png
not in header
loud kettle
Yea wrong spot
wet kraken
lofty depot
https://i.imgur.com/zCbwWgZ.png
did u put it in all the boxes like i said or
wet kraken
🥴
loud kettle
Put it in player customization
jolly delta
i know it's possible to get like 5-10gb memory usage on giant ass droute sims
I think the connection was being dropped
tawny cloud
can check wowhead too
I just like your compendum 😁
desert grove
Hey guys learning balance for m+ planning to learn from youtube guide dont know which one yet but does those build will be outdated after the buff like talent or cycle ? Or its fine ?
lofty depot
I just like your compendum 😁
he writes the wowhead guide
lofty depot
Hey guys learning balance for m+ planning to learn from youtube guide dont know ...
the builds are ever changing
lucid olive
I just like your compendum 😁
i write both
lofty depot
we could think the build is correctt and in 3 weeks someone does some feelycraft and makes a new one
lucid olive
wowhead more up to date rn (its paid work and compendium isnt)
tawny cloud
i write both
I know. But i like the compendium better. I will look up wowhead for now thanks
still iris
u send asp in eclipse and build outside... depending on ur cd or what remains wi...
and in that scenario, like 3 seconds still in eclipse but not gonna eclipse directly after, spending starfall is probably worse because 5 seconds of it would be outside of eclipse and therefore not do much damage? so spending at the end of an eclipse should only be done with ss?
tawny cloud
wowhead more up to date rn (its paid work and compendium isnt)
Understandable ! 🙏
lofty depot
and in that scenario, like 3 seconds still in eclipse but not gonna eclipse dire...
uhhh if ur spending asp sure
lucid olive
> compendium isnt
maybe it should
think i'm in the green from Dreamgrove anyway..
desert grove
we could think the build is correctt and in 3 weeks someone does some feelycraft...
Ok thx it help cause I want to take the dragon faerie and its rarely taken I will adapt thx
lucid olive
think I'm at like uuuh, 150$ in total from the dono link on DG?
and then negative 20 bucks
lofty depot
Ok thx it help cause I want to take the dragon faerie and its rarely taken I wil...
cats are a st talent
wet kraken
Got it working, thanks for the help everyone. 
lucid olive
cats are a st talent
don't forget
lofty depot
then spawn 6 of them
jolly delta
think I'm at like uuuh, 150$ in total from the dono link on DG?
yeah
lucid olive
that was so good
