balance

[royal zenith]

the curse of having good memory

😭

[lucid olive]

Truly

[pseudo merlin]

@royal zenith did you get my joke

that means old in portugese

[lucid olive]

You're Dutch though, if you wanna get worse memory just go coffee shop

[eager raft]

Is it hard being the coolest and smartest guy in every room you enter

[pseudo merlin]

and best looking*

[lofty depot]

He wouldn't know

[proud tiger]

This is my first season trying boomkin, since shadowlands and i have to say it feels liike doo doo to me right now. I don't know much about the spec but I can tell you it doesn't feel good

[pseudo merlin]

unlucky

[lofty depot]

What part doesn't feel good

Is it just the damage or

[eager raft]

Imagine logging in for the first time since shadowlands and seeing that we still have convoke

[lofty depot]

if u say eclipse being a button u will be shunned

[proud tiger]

it's the damage i think, I have been reading the pins and your argument and learned im not doing the rotation fully right so that might help. but im comparing it to ele sham that feels like my buttons do something

[eager raft]

I understand how you feel

[fiery kindle]

I didn’t think I’d be proven right in this dc

[lofty depot]

Ele sham is ass

That shit is giga boring

[lucid olive]

You weren't

[pseudo merlin]

-I wish they brought forward kindred spirits instead of convoke

[mild chasm]

What he said

[pseudo merlin]

thoughts?

[fiery kindle]

yeah i know

[proud tiger]

is the best build for m0's Elune's chosen? or keeper of the grove?

[lofty depot]

Doesn't really matter

[eager raft]

Guardian Druid

[lucid olive]

M0s probably keeper but you can play whatever you feel like

[mild chasm]

Up to you

[fiery kindle]

[proud tiger]

yeah i tanked some m0's and did like 70k overall as guardian lol

[royal zenith]

I really do wonder how first days of real m+ will be

[proud tiger]

that's getting nerfed. i have to belieive

[lofty depot]

Bear goes hard

[eager raft]

If I was gonna do m0 as boomy I’d just play keeper and boss damagemaxx

[royal zenith]

spec is perfect though, no changes on ptr

[lofty depot]

Just run around not pressing iron fur and just doing all the damage

[royal zenith]

keeper is also just extremely shit

you're really just a passenger with m0

on boomie

[lofty depot]

Generally always what happens

[maiden pasture]

so real

[lofty depot]

Play bear or resto for first few weeks anyway cuz no one plays tank/healer an can get free guild keys

[proud tiger]

I'll mostly be playing resto but I was hoping i could boomkin when i want to dps

[jolly delta]

play bear if you want to dps

[proud tiger]

i just need to learn more about the spec

[jolly delta]

oh wait it has already been said

[lofty depot]

Best bet is to learn the priority, then post a log so I can show u what ur doing wrong

[eager raft]

Get in groups with Aug evoker

[proud tiger]

thats very kind of you. I will

[lofty depot]

[royal zenith]

also unironically better to just go bear rn, even if you already have a tank

where's that screenshot arctic

of canexx

(goat)

[lofty depot]

Want a better one?

[proud tiger]

yeah bear is nuts lol

[royal zenith]

[lofty depot]

That's some goat shit right there

[still sequoia]

lol

[royal zenith]

way too based

[wise wyvern]

If a buff doesn't appear in the CDM are there any work-arounds to tracking it?

[lofty depot]

It's called parting skies if it's in there

[wise wyvern]

It's not, unfortunately

[lofty depot]

Rekt

[royal zenith]

if buff is not tracked, you're out of luck

[lofty depot]

Can u add it to bcdm or ayjies?

Idk tbf

[still sequoia]

claw is the broken spec right?

[lofty depot]

Ye

[wise wyvern]

They've got passives from the talent tree in the CDM that have 0 interaction and aren't even buffs, yet you can't track an actual buff 🫠

[lofty depot]

Ravage go brr

[last nebula]

ayijes is possible

[wise wyvern]

I'll have a look, was using ArcUI as I figured it was the most comprehensive

[lofty depot]

Most comprehensive is crazy

[still sequoia]

xd

[maiden pasture]

these addons just change the look of what base game tracks for stuff like buffs tho. unless its like trinkets and shit then they just hardcode the durations

[craggy sonnet]

technically possible since it is fixed duration and fixed cast success triggered

(at least if you are not playing total eclipse)

not sure if any of the current addons can tho

[lucid olive]

You can hard code in Sundered Firmament for sure, but neither bcdm or ayije can track it like that

M33kauras can tho but requires some effort making it

[craggy sonnet]

ayije and arc allow custom buff things based on spell casts

but

[wise wyvern]

I was playing with triggers but due to the fact it has an expiry time they can get messed up

[craggy sonnet]

its not reliable

[jolly delta]

You can't because they're hidden auras iirc

[wise wyvern]

Unlikely but if it unsyncs then you have to manually re-sync

[cerulean wagon]

We think balance is going to get any love this week

[jolly delta]

Like you can maybe do some cringe hardcoding

[wise wyvern]

Haha, but it's an actual buff

[craggy sonnet]

at least with total elcipse

[royal zenith]

how much will your dps increase if you track that buff @wise wyvern

[jolly delta]

But I dont think you can actually track the aura

[lucid olive]

You will also most likely not play this talent until season 2..

[lofty depot]

Next week forsure

[royal zenith]

if you don;t know the answer, you're not allowed to add it

thoughts?

[wise wyvern]

I just like knowing

I miss WA

[royal zenith]

there we go

[craggy sonnet]

and idk if the current implementations on the mentioned cdm addons allows custom untriggers

[royal zenith]

[lofty depot]

Unfortold amounts of damage

[cerulean wagon]

Yeah, I meant for reset. I hope so. Hopefully ele gets a little love also

[wise wyvern]

I don't play well enough for it to even matter

I'm just a dude trying to make a UI

[lofty depot]

Ele love would require a new gameplay loop, and that's not what tuning is gonna do prob

[placid olive]

Does a whisper innervate macro still work? So if my healer whispers me it’ll pop up something on my screen?

[mild chasm]

12.0.5 isnt whats comming for march 17 is it? Shit got me confused cause im expecting big notes on March 17 😵‍💫

[craggy sonnet]

no

[craggy sonnet]

no

[eager raft]

No that’ll be mid late April most likely

[mild chasm]

The dream 🙂

[lofty depot]

No they gotta yell in discord

[mild chasm]

Not the 17 Notes? Good

[lofty depot]

U can make a funny chat channel tho

Unless they've fixed that

[craggy sonnet]

funny chat channel?

but yeah, i think you just gotta have your healers make a ping macro

and ping your ass

[lofty depot]

Just set up a reminder

[craggy sonnet]

no

[mild chasm]

The better bring something up before m+, been lvling alts like a mad person to be prepared for blizz balance bs 😂

[eager raft]

They have tuning planned for the 17th

Might get the notes today

I assume we will

[lofty depot]

If max goes live at 2pm, surely today

[eager raft]

Can’t wait to panic level alts this weekend after they nuke both my characters into the ground

[mild chasm]

Whatever they call "tuning" when they do Tuning they could change entire landscapes

[mild chasm]

Hahahah already done that ;p

[eager raft]

Presumably they’ll just normalize the outliers

Nerfs for dk and demo

Buffs for arms

[lofty depot]

Speaking of nuking things, wanna do 2s..MM is nuking people

I need 1600

[mild chasm]

And ignore the boomy 😂

[royal zenith]

can't wait for him to yap 4 hours about something in regards to addon that is a lot of words but doesn't say shit!!

[lofty depot]

Well he's gotta do this today, so then tomorrow he can update tier list

Mmhm mmhm

[pseudo merlin]

Hope he puts us in E tier so Blizzard buffs

🥀

[lofty depot]

Can't wait til they buff wrath by 5% then send a 3% aura and call it good

Thats gonna go so hard

[pseudo merlin]

not unlikely

I cant wait for sp to not get buffed cuz a bug currently makes us do +6% ST dmg

but the bug will be fixed

[royal zenith]

don't they do actual shit damage rn

[pseudo merlin]

yes

[lofty depot]

Need to nerf psychic link

60% too much

[pseudo merlin]

even with 6% ST bug

[royal zenith]

rip

[pseudo merlin]

PL is at a ridiculous amount rn yeah

[glacial steeple]

All I need is that 3% bbydoll

[royal zenith]

you will get a 6% buff

evens out when bug fixed

[glacial steeple]

I bring MotW and set up the raid comp

[lofty depot]

They could buff ur spec by 30% and nerf u holy by 30% and unholy would still be 20% higher

[pseudo merlin]

I just need holy and disc to be trash

yeah

in ST and AOE

[lucid olive]

Yeah to co stream the 3 hour Tettles video that is releasing today

We cranked out avengers endgame length video

[lofty depot]

3 hour video, could've done some good thumbnail memes for part 1, 2 and 3

Missed out

[glacial steeple]

Did you do like anime transitions for each section?

[lucid olive]

no clue, i'm not an editor..

i just wrote half of the script

[glacial steeple]

I think if you include it in the script, the editor has to do it

[lucid olive]

I am keeping that in mind for the next one..

[glacial steeple]

You're welcome

[royal zenith]

I will not watch it if it doesnt have some Toji transition

Just saying

[lucid olive]

you better watch it so i get paid

[glacial steeple]

Dam, you gotta talk to your union rep about that bro

[drifting nova]

You speak Dutch tho

[lucid olive]

@wicked shuttle is notorious union buster..

[royal zenith]

Fair

[royal zenith]

Correct I have high ilvl irl

[glacial steeple]

Speak of the devil, it just popped up on my youtube algo

[wicked shuttle]

I’ve been working on behalf of the ppl

[drifting nova]

Is long really light or lamp or ami hallucinating

Lomp

[glacial steeple]

Are you having a stroke?

[royal zenith]

What

[drifting nova]

The Dutch for lamp

Lomp

[royal zenith]

Lamp is like a light ye

[jaunty blaze]

[royal zenith]

But licht is also light

(English is a very simplified language)

[drifting nova]

Oh I still hate your stairs btw

Even all these years later

[royal zenith]

Which stairs…

[drifting nova]

Steep

Narrow

[royal zenith]

Pretty sure they are according to basic rules on building shit

[river sparrow]

hey guys! i havent played boomy since... shadowlands. how cooked am i to learning it before raids drop? im being moved away from bear

[glacial steeple]

You like starfire?

I fucking hope so

[river sparrow]

[drifting nova]

Maybe just all the ones in Leider were cooked

[eager raft]

It’s easy to learn

Spend some time at training dummy with guide open

Follow prio

Rinse and repeat til it feels natural

[royal zenith]

Really depends on the city and what time shit was built @drifting nova

[drifting nova]

Good because nothing had really changed

[river sparrow]

oh thank goodness

[royal zenith]

Koopgoot in Rdam has terrible stairs

[glacial steeple]

Koopgoot does not sound real

cmon man

[jaunty blaze]

We don't do the dmg of shadowlands times tho

[royal zenith]

Yeah and ‘Vel’ does sound like a real name?

Its just letters bro

Not that deep

[glacial steeple]

It's from Velmillion, and each character gets larger

[river sparrow]

vel sounds like a real name and koopgoot sounds like a city in sweden maybe

[royal zenith]

Exactly

[glacial steeple]

Koopgoot sounds like a planet in star trek

[eager raft]

Bros name is two and tellin people their name isn’t real

smh smh smh smh smh smh smh smh smh smh

[royal zenith]

[jaunty blaze]

But its 2 in a different language

!

[drifting nova]

And an enterde

[eager raft]

ducks do u parlais francais

[royal zenith]

Non

But

Je deteste respectable

[jaunty blaze]

😭

[eager raft]

[drifting nova]

Wonder if someone in France had the name Gemma pell

[royal zenith]

I cant

[glacial steeple]

Wonder if there's a french player using the name "Two"

[royal zenith]

There’s another Deux in here

[eager raft]

je m’apelle gemma pell

[royal zenith]

So there’s 2 2’s

[eager raft]

That’s 4

[lofty depot]

Ma meilleure ennemie

[pseudo merlin]

@royal zenith did you see the "terror-dakloze" vlogger

[royal zenith]

I have not

[pseudo merlin]

good content

[royal zenith]

I did watch “water? Wil je me vergiftigen ofzo” today

[pseudo merlin]

hahahaha what

[royal zenith]

To educate a client obv

[pseudo merlin]

I gotta see that

[royal zenith]

Needs to know about internetgekkies

[pseudo merlin]

oh the old video

[royal zenith]

Ye

[pseudo merlin]

ye that one is good

[edgy quarry]

Hi everyone ! How u doin ?

Are we agree that u want to use your second incarn when force of nature and fury of elune came back right ?

(at the opener I mean)

[lofty depot]

Yes

[edgy quarry]

Ok that's what I thought... thanks !

i'm afraid of the first raid if we don't get a buff xD

I will do all I can and be at the bottom xD

[normal pilot]

someone has to be at the bottom

[edgy quarry]

For sure but for my RL hum... no really opti for last boss mythic you will do reclan x)

[lofty depot]

Play better than everyone, it'll be fine

[edgy quarry]

I have to be the best at strat and survival for sure ! (Do I put too much presure on me ? Totally..)

Thanks men !!

[jaunty blaze]

Yes you do

[edgy quarry]

https://tenor.com/view/bh187-adventure-time-this-is-fine-this-is-fine-dog-im-sure-everything-is-gonna-be-fine-gif-26882338

[lofty depot]

Seeing rwf video with multiple boomkins 😭

[jaunty blaze]

When was that

[lofty depot]

Bfa

[jaunty blaze]

😔

[lofty depot]

SL next don't worry

Also multiple boomkins

[jaunty blaze]

Might get slightly less after that

[edgy quarry]

TWW for some bosses

For midnight with resto and guardian they will take them for druid slot i guess

[lofty depot]

Unless they get nerfed

[edgy quarry]

Not sure about that really, druid tank is just really good (finally ?) and resto is just "normal" in raid compare to other heal ^^'

[fossil hemlock]

If bear doesn't get nerfed I'd be very surprised

[jaunty blaze]

I'm really interested in what blizzard thinks how much a nerf guardian deserves

[edgy quarry]

I'm just talking about raid not M+

[lofty depot]

Bear is doing more damage than most dps

"not sure" is crazy

[jaunty blaze]

Unironically needs a 40% Nerf for st

[edgy quarry]

as paladin tank does too

It's even more it's crazy

[fossil hemlock]

Who knows tbh, I have a suspicion that they don't realise what a powerhouse maul is now

[lofty depot]

It's not more

[jaunty blaze]

Probably not

[fossil hemlock]

Ppala has super high burst and no damage outside of cds

Bear has super high burst AND damage out of cds

[jaunty blaze]

I mean i like having fun as guardian too for a bit but getting outclassed isn't fun at all

Should just pull up as guardian for hc week ngl

[fossil hemlock]

If they forget to nerf or don't nerf enough, that's my plan

[edgy quarry]

or quite the same.. just to say they are very strong too ! But maybe all tank will get nerf who knows

[jaunty blaze]

If that's what they want us to play

Then I do it

[edgy quarry]

https://tenor.com/view/mr-bean-mrbean-bean-mr-bean-holiday-mr-bean-holiday-movie-gif-3228235746377647455

everyone waiting for patch note

[trail heath]

You got a good 6-7 hours

[pseudo merlin]

Waiting for patch notes expecting buffs to bamkin is like staying up to log in for a midnight game launch and then having 10 hours of server issues

[fossil hemlock]

Do we even know notes are coming today?

Or is it just copium?

[lucid olive]

no just pure guessing

[fossil hemlock]

Thought so

[lucid olive]

but i'd say it's likely

afaik they usually do meetings on thursdays about tuning stuff

and since yesterday they announced the PTR stuff

then i think the next week tuning is announced today

also have on good authority that they've been asking class knowers about their spec or whatever so

[sudden flame]

insider info

[wicked shuttle]

(they asked gamz)

[pseudo merlin]

smart

[trail heath]

Why didn’t they ask the known doomer?

[wicked shuttle]

idk bc they don't know adept really if i had to guess

[lofty depot]

Good authority 👀

[lucid olive]

(no but the guy who was asked told me about it)

(you know who it is as well but none of us leaking)

[lofty depot]

(leaking sewage out ur mouth)

[lucid olive]

arctic

whats your favorite dairy

[lofty depot]

Like product or

[lucid olive]

sure

your weak ass probably lactose intolerant

[lofty depot]

U know when u go do the Mac Donald's..... And u get a milkshake... I'm the weird kid that likes strawberry milkshake

[pallid bay]

I'm leaking

[lucid olive]

nice

i like frozen yoghurt

[grim mirage]

😱

[lucid olive]

know what i'm sayin

[lofty depot]

Yes

Actually ok... The best ice cream I've ever had is from a omakase

[jaunty blaze]

whats wrong with strawberry milkshake

[lucid olive]

well turn off the main valve then and call a plumber

[lofty depot]

Perception of everyone preferring Choco and vanilla and strawberry being pink and girly

[jaunty blaze]

hmm

[lofty depot]

Giga chad strawberry

[jaunty blaze]

i think its up there for sure

[trail heath]

Choco milkshake overrated

[lofty depot]

I very much dislike chalk

[royal zenith]

don't you use chalk to write

kinda weird to eat that

[drifting nova]

Are the changes buffs

I Cannes read

[lofty depot]

Mmhm mmhm

Chalk-olate

[sinful epoch]

Trying out balance, doing the m0s, should I not expect to hold my own in aoe, due to things not staying alive long enough? Playing EC.

[jaunty blaze]

boomie is generally not good in content where everything dies in seconds

[sinful epoch]

Yeah, that's what I figured, just wanted to confirm here.

Thanks

[lofty depot]

Painsmith my goat

[drifting nova]

Skill issue

[lofty depot]

So many moonkins

[drifting nova]

I top the numbers

[sudden flame]

for deaths

[pseudo merlin]

kekkers?

[lucid olive]

sure

[covert coyote]

I see in the guide that we craft next week, but which week do we panic reroll to warlock? Do we wait for the 5% starsurge buff first or just send

[pseudo merlin]

now

level your warlock now

[lofty depot]

Should done already silly

5% surge ain't gonna do shit

[red nymph]

gonna need a 30% aura buff to even try and keep up with warlocks

[trail heath]

Bad news that was last week

[red nymph]

wowhead guide not up to date. even tettles rerolled lock

[lofty depot]

We're not that far behind locks anymore

Surely

[lucid olive]

tettles doesnt write wowhead guide

whats not up to date with it

[pseudo merlin]

that guy really fell off..

[red nymph]

jokes

[royal zenith]

What talents do I pick to get title in 8 weeks

[red nymph]

at least

[pseudo merlin]

he didnt

[pseudo merlin]

yes

[royal zenith]

M+ of course, the better game mode

[pseudo merlin]

I think the most important talent is galactic guardian

[nova ocean]

I'm ready for my phat aura buff

[pseudo merlin]

or ironfur

[leaden birch]

man, is there anyway to make valeera not be insanely stupid in delves?

[trail heath]

Ya roll bear

[covert coyote]

she can stealth and still manages to pull extra packs

[jaunty blaze]

brann moggs her hard

[fossil hemlock]

Nah, Valeera is a huge upgrade

[red nymph]

found ye a bit o' gold!

[brazen mango]

She's still top damaging boomies 🙁 xD

[round field]

Is she tho

[wild dune]

shes not

her ai is piss

[dense steeple]

Shes still way better than brann

[lucid olive]

that is factually untrue

brann sounds way cooler

FOUND A BIT OF GOLD

[pseudo merlin]

^

Brann is delve, delve is brann

[lucid olive]

also going to Brann on a new season and hearing him complain about some big bad stealing his hat

that shit is just funny

[dense steeple]

I just mean in performance

Brann has the best rp for sure

[lucid olive]

delve compansions should lean into comedic relief

[dense steeple]

But valeera is good and useful

[lucid olive]

idk they're the same to me..

put them on healer and give them thing that drops random health pots

[dense steeple]

She heals way more than brann did

[lucid olive]

honestly prefer the coca cola cans from Brann over the hearts from Valeera..

[drifting nova]

heals?

dps all day

[dense steeple]

Also her mandate curio absolutely FUCKS

[drifting nova]

I really like how the quest for the delve partner

brings up the brann ui

🙂 🙂

[dense steeple]

I hate it

[drifting nova]

blizzard testing

[nimble tangle]

I already rerolled to devour

Feels good

As a dark blue fly

[gaunt lantern]

I way prefer hearts from valeera, so much easier to see

[fossil hemlock]

She also just gives leech, which I don't think Brann did

[jaunty blaze]

does she now

😏

[granite heath]

so we gotta use starfall in ST? ew

[kindred token]

I need this transmog :/

[lofty depot]

Pressing starfall for procs is fun

Grow up

[granite heath]

heh

[sly wadi]

free proc that can proc more free procs? 🤑

[drifting nova]

not when brain doesnt allow it, aoe in st is wrong

[lofty depot]

We casted 2 Starfires on st

That does aoe

[sly wadi]

mmm, that actually sparked a question I had looking at the rotation: why do we spend the free proc of wrath/starfire on starfire in single target? Wrath does more dam, but starfire gives more AP?

[lofty depot]

It's Starfire in incarn

Wrath in solar

And it does a little more DPE and more asp

[drifting nova]

I took wrath off my bars so its starfire all day

[lofty depot]

Wrath does more DPS but not more DPE

[red nymph]

but starfire is aoe?

[drifting nova]

yes?

[lofty depot]

Or rather does more damage per casting sec lol

[sly wadi]

DPE....Damage per Eclipse?

[lofty depot]

Execute

[lucid olive]

damage per exeuction

[drifting nova]

dpa

per action

what potato uses execution wtf

[lucid olive]

basically what spell does more damage accounting for execution time

starfire has long cast time so lower value

[sly wadi]

But this is the free proc from ascendant fires

shouldn't cast time be irrelevant?

[lucid olive]

yeah and Starfire does more dmg

when its instant

but usually Starfire has worse dpet than Wrath

since cast time longer

[drifting nova]

even as ec?

[lofty depot]

Mmhm mmhm

[lofty depot]

Outside of eclipse in ec yes 🙂

[sly wadi]

I see. Thanks for setting me straight

[lucid olive]

in a sim you can see it in the html report

this is a Keeper sim as well

[lofty depot]

The difference is however small and u don't have to do it

[lucid olive]

which should be obvious since treants are there

[lofty depot]

But someone posts a log asking about damage and I see it, they're getting "wrong openered"

[stone ledge]

I’m a simple man I wait for dg to update then slam

[drifting nova]

heresy wtf

[red nymph]

too much min maxing when the max is lower than other class min

[drifting nova]

does kotg use convoke

[stone ledge]

Why we min maxing when tuning can change how we play completely too

[drifting nova]

hah

hahah

[red nymph]

cant rely on tuning that might not even come

[maiden pasture]

When's tuning Mr expert @lucid olive

[sly wadi]

just for my knowledge, starfire is more damage when entering lunar eclipse and triggering ascendant fires?

opposite would be true if entering solar eclipse? or am I missing something more fundamental

[lucid olive]

yeah basically, which then applies to CA/Incarn since you're in both Eclipses

if you're just entering Solar then press Wrath

[dull dust]

gamz did u see my ping

[sly wadi]

alright, bear with my smooth brain here for a moment, if we get both eclipses in incarn, and wrath has a higher base damage, and in theory incarn should buff both equally, why does starfire still do more dam?

[red nymph]

starfire has more damage per execution time when its instant

[sly wadi]

then maybe I need help understanding what DPE actually is measuring (apologies for being so slow)

[lucid olive]

idk

[lofty depot]

It doesn't have higher base damage

[dull dust]

was a gain to play around weaver at 10t again

idk what i did

[lofty depot]

Ur missing the damage per cast time thing

[dull dust]

[lofty depot]

Starfires does more damage but takes 2 seconds to cast.... When both are instant..... U press w.e. one does more damage

[lucid olive]

Starfire also has increased chance of proccing Touch the Cosmos

[sly wadi]

alright, my smoothbrain is almost there. Why does my wrath show more dam on the tooltip than starfire?

[lucid olive]

tooltips bad

[sly wadi]

I see on wowhead the spellpower multiplier is 60 vs 102

[lofty depot]

Wowhead ignore

[sly wadi]

ahh, that'll do it. Thanks, appreciate your time 🙇

if you cant trust wowhead or the actual tooltip, where do you guys go to get the actual values?

[lofty depot]

SpelldataID

[sly wadi]

gotcha

[lofty depot]

GitHub simc or wago fun

🙂

[sly wadi]

wait, that just brings it back though, where did they get the proper info?

[lofty depot]

Who is they

[delicate perch]

It’s me

[sly wadi]

simc, that's not blizz official

[delicate perch]

I ran the math

[sly wadi]

so they must have scraped it from somewhere

[maiden pasture]

10t mi bomba

Is the st apl all done or

[lofty depot]

Scrape scrape

[dull dust]

mabey in 6 or 7 weeks

[delicate perch]

The average minigamer will love that info for their sim

[maiden pasture]

[teal sphinx]

https://tenor.com/view/it-was-wrong-stuart-damon-buzzr-that's-incorrect-it's-not-right-gif-1240496879826499260

[maiden pasture]

Now make it work in MDT sim

[lucid olive]

yeah, just been trying to rip out AoE stuff into its own list

[jolly delta]

spelldata

[maiden pasture]

Or do we start telling people to do 10t Sims

[jolly delta]

the tooltips dont always reflect the actual spelldata

[delicate perch]

https://tenor.com/view/omw-to-spread-misinformation-all-over-the-internet-gif-26525511

[jolly delta]

so you scrap spelldata and ignore tooltips

[sly wadi]

gotcha gotcha, once again, appreciate y'all bearing with a smoothbrain

[jolly delta]

not a smoothbrain

99% of the users don't know (and have no reason to know) about any of this

[pallid bay]

its also the opposite, you would think tooltips would be accurate

[lucid olive]

imagine if you had a talent that says "increases nature damage by 5"

and then you have a trinket that says "proc a slime that does nature damage"

a new player coming from other games would assume those work together

[sly wadi]

if only minions could benefit from my talents. Sadly, I'm a stingy bitch 😔

[lucid olive]

moonkin is especially egregious with some of that stuff I think

solid amount of talents that only halfway interact with Starfall/Starsurge depending on the talent that procs it

[drifting nova]

almost as if blizzard cannot read

like the new interaction someone brought up last night

the starsurge and amp

[lucid olive]

think moonkin's main issue comes from that we have essentially had 3 mini reworks since start of Dragonflight that have all been half cocked

[dull dust]

only decent rework in like 3 years has been frost dk

rest are terrible

[drifting nova]

paladin?

[dull dust]

paladins not a real class

[lucid olive]

so we have talents from like 3 different iterations of the spec that have been either left to obscurity or been superglued to fit with a new iteration

ship of theseus ahh spec

[drifting nova]

I dare say I'm praying for an arms rework

but they'l fuck it up

[lucid olive]

me too

i loved arms back in SL

it was fun in Vault of the Incarnates too

when you pressed ignore pain for ToM stacks

[drifting nova]

I think..it was heavily helped by covenants

[lucid olive]

yeah

[sly wadi]

arms was the first spec I ever played, back in legion. Executioners Precision and juicy executes was 🤑

[drifting nova]

gib condemn

[lucid olive]

I might have rose tinted glasses for arms in SL since that's when I felt like I improved the most

[drifting nova]

went to playing necro for like half the xpac as all I did was play prot

but s1 was ventyhr

[lucid olive]

arms just a very different mindset than moonkin, at least back then

having to wait for resource before mortal strike and stuff

[lofty depot]

Curious how many specs felt good in SL and no longer do

[drifting nova]

a real shame as the night fae war ability was cool

just..bad

[lucid olive]

fury was also really fun in SL

bladestorm into merciless bonegrinder whirlwind spam

and your recklessness could proc bladestorm too

[drifting nova]

not actually done an m0 as arms yet maybe I'll do one this week

even knowing it's giga grief

[lucid olive]

so you could go into a big pack and do recklessness bladestorm into whirlwind spam for 6 seconds into real bladestorm and whirlwind spam fro 6 seconds

[dull dust]

a large amount id bet

[lucid olive]

most fun i had on mage was tww beta arcane

[dull dust]

shadowlands clas design was actually really good

[lucid olive]

man that shit was fun

[dull dust]

s3 tww ptr

was bis

for a couple weeks u actually were just machine gun

then in blizz fashion they ruined it before live

[lucid olive]

nothing more fun than busted PTR builds

do you know about the furor incident @dull dust

[dull dust]

the league of legends talent?

(no)

[lucid olive]

no i think that was fervor

[dull dust]

prob was

[lucid olive]

it was a thing for a few weeks on DF beta

i had to go digging thru a blue post to find it

Row 10 Furor: When you shift into a form you haven't been in for 20 sec, abilities cost no Rage, Energy, Astral Power, or Mana for 4 seconds.

[dull dust]

nah ain't no way that seems normal

[lofty depot]

Why not

[lucid olive]

players just made a cast sequence macro

spam through every form and cast spells

[dull dust]

Just peak druid theme fwiw

[lucid olive]

1 button perma shifting

[dull dust]

but just not how wow druid operates

[lucid olive]

topping dmg

[lofty depot]

Let resto druids shapeshift for mechanical fun but not other specs?

[lucid olive]

yeah idk, i dont think theyve been able to manage the powershift fantasy outside of resto druid

[lofty depot]

Bear doing it

Lock it

They didnt like feral going moonkin form tho

[lucid olive]

just look back at the @loud kettle vs. Feral Dev showdown

before Undermine

[loud kettle]

I fought a war

[lofty depot]

Until he said fuck it cuz he couldn't keep up

[dull dust]

didnt chicken swap to apply dots at one point

[lofty depot]

Crazy was too much for him

[loud kettle]

no

[lofty depot]

We were cancelforming for haste

[dull dust]

[lofty depot]

We're looking at feral/bear shifting pre convoke

[dull dust]

only feral suffers

nice

[loud kettle]

You dont know half the nonsense I did

[lofty depot]

That was a fun t few days

Just see crazy dropping 2% + Sims after each change

[loud kettle]

sunfire weaving, owlweaving, bearweaving, staying in bear longer to get around their delay

[lofty depot]

Hmm found more hmm he change it but found different way

Peak

[loud kettle]

They literally nerfed the moonkin version to give less stats, completely removed caster version put a delay on getting stats from bear version

It didnt matter

[dull dust]

I bet i can get swaping cat to be a gain

[loud kettle]

They were forced to nerf our spell dmg in bear form

[dull dust]

new goal make moonkins sad

[loud kettle]

And then removed the talent the next minor patch

[red nymph]

more sad*

[loud kettle]

Because nobody knew how it worked anymore

[leaden birch]

are we all still using bcdm?

why does this shit constantly bug out

[loud kettle]

That's how thoroughly the talent got abused

[lucid olive]

i use acdm

[dull dust]

what do these mean

big dick dungeon master

[leaden birch]

better cooldown manager

[red nymph]

ayije CDM

[leaden birch]

no idea wtf acdm means

[lucid olive]

https://addons.wago.io/addons/ayijecdm

[dull dust]

avrage cock dungeon master

[leaden birch]

tyvm

@lucid olive you got a profile string you can share?

[loud kettle]

Ample assed dungeon master

Wait

Needs to be a c

Gg

[lucid olive]

yeah when wago website starts reacting xd

[leaden birch]

xd

[humble talon]

arcui doesnt do imports ?

[lucid olive]

https://wago.io/YZ9bgd5BX https://wago.io/-bL5b1HGP

you need both

[leaden birch]

tyvm

[lucid olive]

first one is for the addon and the 2nd one is for the blizzard one

so do /acdm, go to profiles on bottom left menu and import the first one, then press "settings" on top left in the addon to open the default blizzard options

then import into the bottom left menu there

[dull dust]

incarn should summon 5 dryads

thoughts

[lucid olive]

i do have a bunch of defensives and movement speed shit tracked and placed at different places in acdm so if any of those are in the way then you can remove them

[lofty depot]

Dryad should use my surge and not the base one

[opaque geyser]

should I be entering eclipse if I get a touch the cosmos proc but have no AP? or should I just spend the proc and wait till i have pooled 90+ before pressing eclipse?

[covert coyote]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7aV1azYemg

papa tett feature film length video

[lucid olive]

yeah you should all watch that tbh

[dull dust]

can I get that but just thr best memes from each race

[maiden pasture]

fr tho

[lofty depot]

U don't need 90 to enter an eclipse but depends where u are in said rotation

[opaque geyser]

Just left eclipse, building more AP and get a proc pretty much immediately

[lofty depot]

Should likely send the proc unless ur on 2 charges of eclipse

If ur gonna be spamming wrath, u send the proc

[opaque geyser]

awesome, thanks for the advice

[craggy sonnet]

so annoying that we cant stack cosmos up to 2

[drifting nova]

incarn should summon 5 ancients of war

and delete kog

[glacial steeple]

Might move us closer to Unholy Dk then

[drifting nova]

less dk

more hunter

[dull dust]

real

I shouldn't be able to see the ground at all

[drifting nova]

you can now?

eat more

[cursive flicker]

@lucid olive , I was reading the wowhead guide for balance, and you wrote ; "Cast Wrath outside of Eclipse up to and including 6 targets." is this correct? The most opti is to wrath up to 6 outside eclipse or I got this wrong 😄

Hello @lucid olive **

[lucid olive]

yeah you Wrath outside of Eclipse up to 7 targets as Keeper

[drifting nova]

what about ec

[lofty depot]

6/7

[drifting nova]

yknow, the real hero talent

[lucid olive]

both Starfire and Wrath do not very good damage

[drifting nova]

so the 100% statfire buff

should go back to 140

or 160

[lucid olive]

Wrath generates more AP cause faster cast time

[covert coyote]

just get up and grab a drink between eclipses

[cursive flicker]

Ok understood, this is more to generate ap and starfall etc... oko k

ahah I would do that

[lofty depot]

Press meld and then press n and change spec to bear actually

[cursive flicker]

thanks @lucid olive and all for the answers, I will spec bear ahah

[dense steeple]

Why the fuck did they slap a 30% bandaid on wrath

Its that supposed to placate us?

[glacial steeple]

Yes

[dense steeple]

Were cooked

Meanwhile theres an aug on the forums crying about competing with the weakest dps specs as if his spec is designed to compete for dps

[drifting nova]

30% wrath does nothing for me

wtf

I dont even know who wrath is

[lofty depot]

Hub

[celest hare]

do we stick it out until the 17th or is everyone leaving balance?

[glacial steeple]

I'm leveling a warlock

[celest hare]

https://tenor.com/view/triste-gif-27628801

[maiden pasture]

you fell for the bait aswell

😭

[wild dune]

[lucid olive]

damn does this mean its been a year since the undermine tuning

[runic kindle]

did they put out the patch notes?

[wild dune]

No

[dense steeple]

The only bait is thinking this fixes

[runic kindle]

Hoping they put them out relatively soon, usually we get them the weekend before

[vital hound]

https://tenor.com/view/so-old-gif-27277116

[runic kindle]

so I can know how doomed it is lol

[dense steeple]

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/class-tuning-incoming-march-25/2080741

[lucid olive]

https://tenor.com/view/oops-shocked-seriously-omg-tremors3-gif-22329296

[sudden pawn]

march 25

season 2

wowza

[lucid olive]

yeah people fall for it anywya

just look

i give it 5 minutes

[runic kindle]

the '25 jebait

[jaunty blaze]

oh we do the funny again

[dense steeple]

30% is a slap in the face

[lucid olive]

yeah really funny

[gentle scroll]

It got me last year

[lucid olive]

unironically they should do that again

[dense steeple]

True

[lucid olive]

the value of builders right now is actually terrible

[jaunty blaze]

was really amazing seeing the post repeated every 5 minutes

hehehaha

[lucid olive]

its at the point where its better to use active Wild Mushroom than Starfire in EC

[dense steeple]

Wrath on druid with eclipse up doeslike 5k damage a hit, consume on devourer without meta does like 9k

Its really fun

[glacial steeple]

But we have uncapped Starfall

[runic kindle]

would it not be a more fun change just to increase ap generation over a direct increase to the builder damage

[lucid olive]

no

but also its both

less passive AP gen and more active AP gen

less "gain 1 AP on random intervals" and more "x spell generates more AP"

[jolly delta]

called it

[jaunty blaze]

[lucid olive]

yeah called it on a post from a year ago

jesus christ vinter

[jolly delta]

wtf

baited

[jaunty blaze]

nah but

[lucid olive]

actually the chief of not reading context

[jolly delta]

sorry too busy doing productive work

[dense steeple]

I baited an expert

[lofty depot]

If we gain asp it makes free spenders less worth

[dense steeple]

You're lucky my power is out or id slap a copy pasta at you from the sheet

[jaunty blaze]

baiting is as bad as getting baited

😔

[dense steeple]

My name is orange for a reason

[dull dust]

[golden mango]

You can change the date in the link and it still works

For those fishing

[runic kindle]

not if that change also came with a buff to the spenders

[lucid olive]

?

that doesnt make sense

[dense steeple]

[runic kindle]

I'm not sure how that doesn't make sense. If every cast of wrath gives (just for sake of argument, lets use 10 ap, I know thats wrong) but 10 ap. They buff it to 15 ap. Now its less wraths per use of the spender. You have the oppurtunity cost of losing out on wrath generation when you use a free spender proc. But if the spender does enough damage that the free proc is still just better to use than to generate 15 more ap then it doesn't change anything. At least thats how I understand what he's saying.

[lucid olive]

the more AP you gain

the more natty spenders you cast

if you buff raw AP gen

you reduce the value of free spenders that don't cost AP

because you can just cast more spenders by taking Rattle the Stars

[runic kindle]

which you could offset by throwing a damage buff that comes with the free spender proc

[lucid olive]

to reduce the AP cost

[lofty depot]

It does cuz u would then just go back to rattle

[lucid olive]

no it doesn't get offset by a Starsurge dmg buff

[lofty depot]

Which is exactly where we were last expac

[lucid olive]

spender dmg is fully irrelevant

[glacial steeple]

What if we made it so you can spend up to X AP like execute

[lucid olive]

It's just about which talent gives you more spenders cast out of Rattle the Stars or Starweaver

One of them has a chance to proc a free spender, and the other one reduces the cost of your spenders and increases its damage..

[runic kindle]

I'll defer to you because you're the boomie guy but it doesn't make intuitive sense how moving the lever on the damage dealt by the free proc wouldn't offset the oppurtunity cost of more paid spenders.

I get that it might change the talent you want that makes sense.

[lofty depot]

Well that's what causes the free one or not

[lucid olive]

and if it changes what talents you pick...

what has to lose value

for starweaver to not be taken

the starweaver buff yeah thats right

[round field]

nice buffs losers

[runic kindle]

Thats what i'm saying though, in this theoretical, if you added a buff to starweaver casts, that make specifically spenders cast with starweaver more powerful, it could, in theory, make the talent choices more competitive with eachother.

[lucid olive]

nice 2025 blue post

[lucid olive]

sure

[round field]

shh

dont tell anyone

[dull dust]

think I might be raiding as boonkin now

how the turntables

[lucid olive]

but that won't happen cause it will also throw a wrench in the value between starweaver/rattle in the choice node

[gentle scroll]

Unforch

[lucid olive]

or well, saying won't happen is not accurate cause they can do whatever they want with their game, if they wanna kill a talent they can

[dull dust]

gamz make number bigger

[lucid olive]

my number over 90k

[dull dust]

expect +1%

[wheat crown]

why are they buffing demo lock ?

[lofty depot]

1. U didn't say to starweaver casts u said spender casts
2. That's not gonna happen lol

[dull dust]

how much over

mine was 90600

[lucid olive]

around there

[dull dust]

need u to make it 92k before im off work

[lucid olive]

sorry i'm doing homework

[normal silo]

Hey everyone, quick question. During a boss fight, if Convoke the Spirits comes off cooldown but Celestial Alignment is still on cooldown, is it better to hold Convoke until I have Celestial Alignment , or should I just use it right away to avoid losing a use over the fight?

[dull dust]

wtf

[dull dust]

idk how that can happen

unless u really goofed

or are 1m voke

[glacial steeple]

Same CD time

[lucid olive]

Never Convoke without CA (unless 1m Convoke) and never CA without Treants

Never Treants without either Eclipse or CA

[normal silo]

My bad, I was testing something on the training dummy without using my two Celestial Alignment charges first, so I ended up desyncing them. But yeah, they do have the same cooldown.

Thank you so much for your answers ❤️

[runic kindle]

I meant the procs so that may have been unclear

but fair enough. I'm just headcannoning what I think would feel more fun to me personally not whats gonna happen

[manic plume]

Is FoE Pressed before or after eclipse?

[lofty depot]

Depends where ur talking about

But generally before

[manic plume]

Not fully understanding how (when) to press when playing keeper

[lucid olive]

press FoE before your treants

[manic plume]

i do just be using wowhead talents to be fair

[lucid olive]

just have your cooldown sequence be FoE -> Treants -> CA/Incarn -> Starsurge -> Starsurge -> Convoke (if talented)

[manic plume]

🫡 ty brutha

[lofty depot]

Sunfire before the foe

Mmhm mmhm

[lucid olive]

yeah that too

[elfin flicker]

Hey guys! Can someone send their SimulationCraft addon text so I can check if there’s something wrong with my build? I feel like I’m doing way less damage than I should.

[lofty depot]

That's just boomkin prob

[elfin flicker]

:(

[lofty depot]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/raSjPkq99Ebp3faLb1mav3

U can copy that if u want

[lucid olive]

ew

[lofty depot]

Shut up rat

[jolly delta]

[jaunty blaze]

why are we simming hero neck from in 4 weeks

[lime swallow]

Hi, is it worth crafting 2h staff next reset and than just recraft it upgraded with myth track crests after another week? or i should craft 2x offset and hope for the best from vault/myth raid drops for that slot?

[lofty depot]

Cuz when r u getting a better one

[jaunty blaze]

dont care im doing no pvp for that

[lofty depot]

Skill issue

U can do pvp for cata charge

[wheat crown]

since we dont have the guide... who wants to teach me KoTG ?

[jaunty blaze]

pretty sure the 50 dps+ will save me

[lofty depot]

U will likely craft 2h....u can also wait til first vault

[lucid olive]

next week?

bad?

[lofty depot]

Which one is better

[lucid olive]

heroic alleria

or heroic l'ura

[lofty depot]

Laura is the good one

And that comes out the following week

[lucid olive]

no

it comes out the week after that

[elfin flicker]

Keeper of the Grove actually is better?

[lucid olive]

they're both good options

[lofty depot]

And that implies it drops and others don't need it cuz who's giving gear to a boomkin

[elfin flicker]

For AoE

[lime swallow]

thx 🫡

[lucid olive]

you're bad

also you can get a neck from m+

before finishing that quest

[lofty depot]

Which one

[lucid olive]

[jaunty blaze]

just send your droptimizer sims in feral

easy gains

[lofty depot]

Show big mastery neck

[jaunty blaze]

i mean its another classic blizzard neck lootpool in m+

wcyd

maybe they add one

[lofty depot]

Usually pvp items have vers

That one doesnt

[dull dust]

arctic tweakin for his 0.1%

[lofty depot]

It's what I do

Gotta get the 0.1% to cover up my 2% of being shit

[wintry ruin]

I am still new and practicing boomy. When playing KotG what mob count do we cast starfall instead of starsurge? Starfall on 2+ mobs? or 3+?

[jaunty blaze]

2

[lofty depot]

2

[wintry ruin]

Cool thank you

[dull dust]

2.2

[lofty depot]

And u cast weaver procs and cosmos on starfall even at 1

I'll maybe wait on the other stuff

[dull dust]

send her

the apl is perfect as is

[lofty depot]

No it's not

It doesn't send foe at 1m

[sly wadi]

That just means we didn't need it 😔 all hail the sim

[dull dust]

what if thats a loss and I forgot it was

[lofty depot]

Didn't make sense

[limpid jolt]

It feels bad to use a gc for starsurge with a starweaver proc on bigger groups. The most packs are melting fast. On what size you don´t use star weaver procs? Or do you use it even on big pulls?

[lucid olive]

somewhere between 8 and 10 mobs

but also m0s packs just die too fast

i just played convoke with weaver and no kindling in m0s

nuke biggest mob

[hexed portal]

Am I going crazy or is fury of elune just not cast in the rotation guide anywhere?

(Raid)

[lucid olive]

yeah i need to update rotation page, when i wrote it the recommended build didnt take FoE

[hexed portal]

Okay, that makes me feel better. I was going thru everything and thinking there's no way this is a dps loss vs a basic wrath

[lucid olive]

xd

short version is to use FoE right before your treants

[hexed portal]

TY

[lucid olive]

basically just pair those up even if you have to hold FoE for a bit

[hexed portal]

Yeah, you'll have to hold FoE 15 seconds i think?

[lucid olive]

depends on how much control of the dream value you have

[hexed portal]

I'll pretend like I understood that sentence while I go back to learning this class

[lucid olive]

theres a search bar on your talent page

[hexed portal]

ooooh right, the passive redux thing

[trail heath]

https://tenor.com/view/waiting-gif-4677175942198662182

Buffs when

[red nymph]

As soon as you make a warlock

[trail heath]

Already did at 246 ivl

[craggy sonnet]

and here i was thinking that control would be fine just to continue existing.. but now it is back to haunt us seemingly desyncing trees and foe. who would have thought we play funny beam talent

[edgy quarry]

@GAMZ Sometimes I'm just wondering where do you find the time to write guides on wowhead and compendium, answers people on discord and play the game xD Do u sleep ?

[lucid olive]

surprisingly

i also take school classes

[loud kettle]

He doesnt the play the game

[lucid olive]

real

i leveled 3 characters the first few days for splits and have just done m0 world tours on them weekly after

xd

[sudden flame]

smh...

[trail heath]

But did you collect all the housing items?

[edgy quarry]

u kidding (do u ..?)

[lucid olive]

i roll need for every table

[iron pagoda]

we call it multitasking 😄

[edgy quarry]

still impressive

sometimes/often multitasking =/= with quality

not true with Gamz who is doing amazing job so.. I'm impress

[dense steeple]

Spark crafting before raid is out is diabolical

[red nymph]

Not really. Unless youre doing splits

[edgy quarry]

I don't know exactly how it works, I'm just asking out of curiosity:

I assume you set up this configuration to handle the rotation. Why doesn't the opener match the one in the guide?"

[delicate perch]

!remind me 2 weeks when you craft a staff

[edgy quarry]

that's why I said I do not know how it works ahaha I don't know if it has few iterations or not etc

just curiosity

[meager storm]

just a few

[dense steeple]

Yeah thats not that many

[delicate perch]

at least 1

[edgy quarry]

xD

ok ok fair enough, so it tested a lot of iterations and try to make some overall with it I guess ?

[dense steeple]

All the iterations are ran with slightly different variables to determine the best outcome

If you were to run it again, you would get a slightly different result

[lucid olive]

the APL in your sim isn't fully up do date yet

[lucid olive]

what

[lucid olive]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2kxEnY3CNyQhY7HLzL1rKe

[dense steeple]

Magic variable make magic number differ

Procs, crits, etc.

[lucid olive]

yeah but thats not what was happening there

smh

[sudden flame]

@twin lotus Do you need some coaching or is balance getting buffed?

[lofty depot]

Both

[dense steeple]

Yeah i didnt look at the sim, just trying to explain to him what the iteration thing is for

[edgy quarry]

Can i change it ?

[lofty depot]

If u copy the one he sent yes

[dense steeple]

Why its not just like "let's run a test and see what we get"

[lofty depot]

Or just look at it

[edgy quarry]

Ok at the bottom, sry first time i'm doing things like that 🥲

[lucid olive]

its all good

[lofty depot]

Is fine, copy the custom apl

[lucid olive]

then you can paste it into the "custom APL" box near the bottom of top gear

or droptimizer or whatever other sim type you want to run

[edgy quarry]

so like this

[lucid olive]

ye

but don't forget that it's in there or you can get some weird results eventually..

[meager storm]

yeah no one getting this ring set on mythic track

[lucid olive]

[nimble smelt]

@lucid olive why do I have to enter eclipse before rolling incarn? like on pull

[edgy quarry]

what do u mean ?

[dense steeple]

Cause its dogshit

[meager storm]

isnt it like barely an uppy when they are both mythic

[lucid olive]

to get Eclipse on cd

[meager storm]

imagine they do embs tuning today

[lofty depot]

u get randomy roll down

[meager storm]

[lofty depot]

jsut get lucky first try

[dense steeple]

Oh ive been meaning to ask cause I havent looked, am I overwriting eclipse or letting it expire before CA

[lofty depot]

override

spam wrath to 50, sunfire, foe, trees ca

[dense steeple]

Thats what I thought i just hadn't verified

[lucid olive]

your browser will remember that you have a custom APL in there when you open the page again, so in the future when the APL is pushed as the default one (probably this weekend) then yours will be behind

the APL is basically a list of a bunch of conditions that dictate when spells are used

so just remember to delete it from the text box eventually

[nimble smelt]

Is there a more specific reason? Like, do I lose a lot of dps if I don't do it like that?

[lucid olive]

yes

you want to get Eclipse on CD and then you want to spend the 3 Ascendant Stars buffed spenders

[edgy quarry]

Ok I see... I understand now ! Thank you very much !