balance

[lofty depot]

u should read the wowhead guide, mmhm mmhm

[tardy vortex]

Oh cool, tyvm. I just saw the big red scary box lol

[tardy vortex]

I have! Was just trying to see in practice how well I was doing

Overall I think I am doing decent just need to get practice actually moving and not just being a turret lol

[normal pilot]

just jump into lfr, get some log and post here for ppl to look at

[wheat crown]

No boomy notes for tuesday

[dull dust]

I've been told they are separate from the ptr notes

[lucid olive]

the PTR notes are for 6 weeks from now

[dull dust]

[loud kettle]

Most of them were tooltip fixes

[dull dust]

arcane got nerfed with it again

[loud kettle]

Punishment for calling me more autistic than mages

[dull dust]

fair enough

gunna be a wild tier is mage is bad for me

I got recruited to this guild with 3 other mages

[lucid olive]

play moonkin innit

we're gonna get mega buffed and be super good every boss

trust

this is the tier.

[dull dust]

the chicken is getting geared

at 220

just need todo 0s

[normal pilot]

balance is perfect needs no notes

[dull dust]

me when mom says im handsome

[knotty basin]

whats the most respectable talent build out rn across dreamgrove.gg, wowhead, and icyveins

they're all dif for st.

or are we just not sure until we start getting log data next week

[glacial steeple]

P much

[lofty depot]

wowhead

[drifting nova]

bonus rolls coming back?

wew cant ready for 20g

just like the old days

[craggy sonnet]

@normal pilot you doomed our only way to greatness

[normal pilot]

dead spec pack it up

[glacial steeple]

Spell power feral druid?

[jolly delta]

smh blizz..

[glacial steeple]

We have BiS items?

[normal pilot]

if you play as blizz intended ya

[jolly delta]

(solo delves)

[drifting nova]

thanks for reminding me its delve time next week

[jolly delta]

wym delve time

didn't know you were doing hardcore mythic prog

[drifting nova]

unless vault changed

delves not the easiest to get loot?

[jolly delta]

if you're not raiding

nor doing 8 dungeons a week

then what do you need loot for kekkers

[drifting nova]

to raid and do the dugneons

unless its not hero

off the bat

like it was before

[jolly delta]

delves and +2s have the same track in the vault

[drifting nova]

they nerfed delves? wtf

[jolly delta]

idk from what i remember it has always been like this

max tier from delve is hero 1

[drifting nova]

precisely

[glacial steeple]

This is my 13th reason

[drifting nova]

so delves it is

arent you meant to be asleep, it's 1

[jolly delta]

ok but so is the reward from +2s

[drifting nova]

which previously was..

6/7

cant remember which

[jolly delta]

idk and idc

but i'd rather do 8 +2s than 8 delves

[drifting nova]

so m+ got buffed

shock

[jolly delta]

ok maybe by 1 tier

compared to tww

same shit cmon

anyways new bad luck protection kinda W

[drifting nova]

the extra gold will slowly offset my transmog cost

[dense steeple]

butt cushion 5000

[glacial steeple]

For the bench?

[dense steeple]

yes

[copper gate]

Don’t worry team I foresee buffs (it was promised to me 3000 years ago)

[glacial steeple]

Burning Bush told me we got this

(It was Teldrassil)

[copper gate]

💪

[bright yarrow]

eeehm im playing balance again and im shocked... in mythic dungeons im way behind any dps

[drifting nova]

play with an aug

[bright yarrow]

im playing it correctly since i played him before for a long time so no newbie shit

[drifting nova]

instantly top

[jolly delta]

how sure are you about it

even we don't know yet what "correctly" means

[dense steeple]

famous last words

[bright yarrow]

so u dont have problems in dmg?

[dense steeple]

oh we do

[bright yarrow]

then im the problem 🙁

[dense steeple]

no one said that

[jolly delta]

Thats not what I said

But I'm doing ~40k overall and im 233

[copper gate]

I did m0s and found our damage on bosses ok, the damage on trash packs was abysmal

[jolly delta]

Listening to people they make it sound like we're doing 20k if you play perfectly

[light seal]

just go bear and do 60-70k on m0 bosses. ez.

[dense steeple]

we are

[copper gate]

true

[light seal]

on balance it feels ok on aoe. but dont like doing 40k when the mage and lock blast 80k+

in single

[bright yarrow]

aug is op? 😄

[drifting nova]

maybe

[jolly delta]

dps in m0 is a silly metric anyways

[drifting nova]

maybe not

[light seal]

no. but makes you look good

[drifting nova]

the downside to aug however

is you might lose to the tank

[light seal]

yeah. but still matters to my fracile feels

[drifting nova]

but you'l be top dps

(I lost to a brewmaster)

[dense steeple]

gonna do about the same amount of dps in a +10 tbh

[bright yarrow]

i really dont know what to play 😄

[drifting nova]

yeah this whole "does no damage until things last longer" needed to go

but here we are

[copper gate]

Chat if after tomorrow it’s looking cooked are you guys

A) rerolling
B) playing feral
C) playing another game

[jolly delta]

if your enjoyment of the game is proportional to the dps shown on the dpsmeter then wait until week 2 of season 1 and pick the fotm class

[dense steeple]

what does tomorrow have to do with anything

[light seal]

should we not be doing more dmg with kotg in short aoe? still loosing to half the classes

[potent cargo]

no

we do nothing compared to real specs

[drifting nova]

ahem

[potent cargo]

when you do real keys

[drifting nova]

I play the other unreal spec

[potent cargo]

dmg will be a bit more competitive

[drifting nova]

balance isnt the worst

[dense steeple]

just remember if you do more dps than someone as a boomkin, they just had a bad pull

[potent cargo]

once shit actually lives

[dense steeple]

and you only had good procs

[copper gate]

True we could always have it worse and be arms warriors 😭

[drifting nova]

its a yuge lie you to use the proc on starfall right

[light seal]

i play prot pala too. and it makes more aoe than my boomkin. and bear makes more single than my boomkin. just hoping for something big next week. written in blue

[dense steeple]

dont eat the proc

spend it

[drifting nova]

...yeah tanks in general

[dense steeple]

dont get your hopes up

[drifting nova]

tanks dont rely on cooldowns like every dps spec does now (atleast most of them)

tanks have passively high damage

[jolly delta]

once again

damage in m0

week 1/2

is silly

[drifting nova]

one of the greater flaws in moving dps specs to cooldown only damage

[drifting nova]

so...starsurge?

[dense steeple]

hit the button the proc says to

[drifting nova]

IT PROCS BOTH

[jolly delta]

tanks can often pull very huge numbers in m0 in general

[drifting nova]

tanks arent reliant on cooldowns to do damage

[dense steeple]

oh youre talkin that proc i thought you meant weave proc

[drifting nova]

na the other one

that procs both

[dense steeple]

yeah should probably starsurge in ST on the double proc

[drifting nova]

[dense steeple]

starfall in aoe

[drifting nova]

swear gamz said starfall yday

regardless of type

[jolly delta]

also like

[dense steeple]

maybe

[drifting nova]

st too

[jolly delta]

maybe stop inferring info from post-dungeon details

[dense steeple]

i could be wrong im just feelycrafting

[drifting nova]

but it feels wrong

[dense steeple]

im not gamz

[jolly delta]

while they look like this

[drifting nova]

what criminal uses dps and not damage

[dense steeple]

believe it or not, hunters

[jolly delta]

you spend on starfall

[drifting nova]

details is also giga wrong

so

surely blizzardo improves default

and doesnt just forget

[dense steeple]

theyve already forgot

gotta get you purple T2 recolors

mog is very important you know

[drifting nova]

"I wonder how the healer died, click on it"

[dense steeple]

gotta cook up the next T2 recolor too

[drifting nova]

oh it doesnt tell me shit

amazing

I miss recount

never thought I'd say that

[dense steeple]

blizzard really cooked with deleteing addons

[drifting nova]

cant complain about damage

if you cant see who does what

[dense steeple]

now the game is giga shit for no reason other than envious of addon devs being better than them

[jolly delta]

idk im already waiting for blizzard being like "ok sorry our addon change didnt pay out we're reverting it back"

after 2/3 absolutely garbage tiers

[drifting nova]

haha

for the very same reason the crusade started

that's extremely unlikely to happen

arrogance

[dense steeple]

do you know why boomkin is in the gutter?

arrogance

our class dev is an egomaniac with the brainpower of a banana

[drifting nova]

I cant think of a better word than it to describe the attempt at "fixing" addons

[dense steeple]

2 brian cells fighting for 3rd place in that ones head

[drifting nova]

it's one thing to say "hey we know you have access too much data we'l change that"

[jolly delta]

I can't see a world in which these tiers aren't going to be incredibly frustrating for half of their playerbase

[drifting nova]

oh no doubt

[jolly delta]

Or well, half of their playerbase that actually plays the game

[drifting nova]

blizzard doesnt seem to get the addon race was against themslves

addons only got so strong because of the mechanics made

a cycle

[jolly delta]

I guess the addon change happened mostly to accomodate the casual/housing piece of the users

[drifting nova]

you dont need a weak aura for ovinax eggs if you just increase the timer from 6? seconds to idk 20

[jolly delta]

And if they want to focus on that then yeah Im sure the chinese trees are very profitable

[drifting nova]

you cant have difficult mechanics and fast mechanics at the same time without outside help

the arrogance to view it as an outside problem when it was blizzard made

is my favourite part

[normal pilot]

it looks bad on perf review if you say it was your own fault

[drifting nova]

a page out of riots book, eerily similar to blizzard with their inability to admit..fault or wrongdoing for the game

the two easiest I can think of with such an ironclad resolve to never admit fault..for well anything

[knotty basin]

fury of elune feels terrible with treants

[drifting nova]

good, kotg bad

[lofty depot]

it gives u asp

why feel terrible

[jolly delta]

clowns

[knotty basin]

more cooldowns to align/ button bloat.

its not even a complexity issue. it just doesn't feel good.

[jolly delta]

my brother in chicken

the second statement is fine, w/e

but what button bloat we have like 4 buttons now

[knotty basin]

thats fake

lol

[drifting nova]

trees

convoke

incarn

[knotty basin]

starfire/moonfire/starsurge/wrath/starfire/starfall/eclipse/alignment/elune/convoke/treants all for st. that's alot compared to other classes.

[drifting nova]

tada

does kotg even use starfire

[jolly delta]

you press starfire like once to minmax

[drifting nova]

as ec doesnt wrath

or atleast I dont

[knotty basin]

you press it every time you enter eclipse wdym

[drifting nova]

oh no

[sinful epoch]

Is there a dumb questions channel for new balance druids?

[jolly delta]

this

[jolly delta]

once in a while

w/e

[drifting nova]

a customer representative will be with you shortly

[jolly delta]

dont want to press it? dont press it

if you want I can tell you the dps difference

[knotty basin]

you're right i guess. every class is 4 buttons if you're brave enough.

[drifting nova]

..well 3

[sinful epoch]

Doing m0s, should I still run Elunes chosen or is that more for higher keys down the line?

[drifting nova]

it used to be 4

[drifting nova]

higher, probably, but doesnt really matter

I only play EC 🙂

[sinful epoch]

Yeah, I just can't hang with some of these aoe burst dps classes, I do well enough on ST, but it is m0s, so not really a big deal I guess

[jolly delta]

No I'm just saying that spending procs on starfire instead of wrath in ST is relatively silly minmaxing that a lot of specs have but is ultimately not very meaningful

So if you feel like it's clunky and not worth it, then just don't do it

[jolly delta]

With the latest sims it's roughly 0.12%

[trail heath]

how do i sim to see what stats to make my stave next week?

fast way to do it with all missive or i got to do them separate or manually?

[dull dust]

just type the stick in top gear

and click the little plus a couple times

[trail heath]

i thought tha tmight be it but was hoping for a quicker 1 button thing

[jolly delta]

And btw this basically translates to

aoe/st dot
aoe/st builder
aoe/st spender
2 major cds
2 small cds

idk how you can look at this and call it bloat

[knotty basin]

you press all of the aoe spells in ST, and you are lining up 2-3 cds as freqently as possible on a builder/spender class. its just not a good feeling class is all i'm saying.

[jolly delta]

Sure, your opinion is your opinion

[lofty depot]

well u have to sim things

that how it b

[jolly delta]

Won't argue about that

But personally the only reason boomie feels fun this season is literally because we alternate surge/sf

[lofty depot]

its not like other classes havent pressed those types of abilities

[drifting nova]

you what

[lofty depot]

locks casting rain of fire, arcane mages casting arcane explosion

[drifting nova]

alternate?

[lofty depot]

if u dont like how a class plays, u should post feedback on the forums and not in here where they dont read

[jolly delta]

blud has never read his talents

[drifting nova]

fuck no

I parse orange in the content I do

thats good enoguh for me

I hit buttons like a monkey writes shakespeare

[knotty basin]

i will when the balance patch hits. cureious t osee what they'll do

[lofty depot]

doubt theyre changing playstyle

[drifting nova]

wait if its kotg only it means nothing to me

[jolly delta]

bro goes into a bakery and starts complaining about bread

[lofty depot]

after playing rattle for 5 years

weaver is a fun change of paace

[drifting nova]

https://tenor.com/view/resume-shred-gif-13992096

posting on the forums be like

[lucid olive]

i hacked into blizzard hq mainframe and looked at the security cameras and saw the whiteboard in their meeting room

it had a picture of a moonkin on it with 4 darts that all missed the target

we're getting nerfed boys

[drifting nova]

late for you

[lucid olive]

its late for you too bitch

[drifting nova]

actually need to sleep, early day tomorrow

1pm

just so I can ruin my day speaking to americans

[dull dust]

they deleted arcane explosion btw

[lofty depot]

it was just an axample

we casted starfire to get into eclipse

were casting the wrong spell

[dull dust]

😄

[craggy sonnet]

why are the servers randomly going down again
cant even do my crafting orders in peace

[jolly delta]

they're fixing boomkin

[craggy sonnet]

surely

[viral dawn]

Anyone else having issues with BCDM not tracking moonfire/sunfire duration on essential bar but works fine on buff bar or tracked bar?

[craggy sonnet]

probably disabled active aura overlay or whatever

[viral dawn]

thanks that fixed it, dont remember changing anything

[vernal hare]

Should we craft the staff next tuesday with spark ?

[lofty depot]

think u chill and wait til 24th

granted ive always crafted 2h regardless

[tacit oriole]

and thats on jah

[lofty depot]

mmhm mmhm

[abstract parrot]

hey what is the most recent sim for Balance in ST?

[trail heath]

Dead

[abstract parrot]

real

[copper gate]

aside from alchemy there really isnt a profession worth going right

[potent cargo]

n

[subtle shoal]

One of the CDM profiles recommended at the wowhead guide links to an unholy dk weakaura, and the import string doesnt work in CDM. Anyone has a working link? "Tettles' CDM Profile"

[lofty depot]

enchanting good

herb selling good

[lofty depot]

yea fricc that gfuy

gamz is linked in #1473018731687841853

[subtle shoal]

I am using the Gamz one atm, but was intrigued by the look of tettles and would like to try it

[lofty depot]

@wicked shuttle

[normal pilot]

what does tettles look like?

[wicked shuttle]

5'9

white

[delicate perch]

LMAO

[misty glade]

a short king

[delicate perch]

@potent cargo thoughts on this

[lofty depot]

tettles is gonna go live right after posting a 3 hour video

how am i supposed to watch stream and the video

[wicked shuttle]

im taking tomorrow off

[lofty depot]

ooo

[delicate perch]

Two screens

[normal pilot]

maybe he only has one screen

times are tough

[delicate perch]

Picture in Picture plugin

[lofty depot]

im at work

when blud is streaming

[wicked shuttle]

im a workin man streamer

[delicate perch]

Two phones

[lofty depot]

is he the plug or the load

[unkempt tree]

For ST talents, Wowhead or Icyveins are better?

[flat pewter]

Hi all, is boomy easier to play in NA, OCE or EU?

[tacit oriole]

Wowhead

[trail heath]

Wowhead but everything gonna chance when we get buffed Tuesday

[delicate perch]

What lmao

[lofty depot]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/891006249565552650/1472412429915918376/chrome_AahpE42q5R.gif?ex=69b4c16f&is=69b36fef&hm=ecbf1ab56ab1dd3a94d0331fdfffb29baaa8b1d245e36c353962e09eb657701b&

[nimble tangle]

aussie aussie

awesome sauce

[delicate perch]

Eu you might deal with kekkers
Na you will deal with racists
Oce you will deal with people who you’re surprised they were able to turn on a pc

Take your pick I guess

[grim crater]

is this fr or just hope? XD

[merry egret]

Hey, I'm surprised some people in NA can turn on a PC too. They're just racist while doing it.

[nimble tangle]

what about my CHN server

and TW server as well

[merry egret]

CHN server doesn't recognize the TW server as an independent server.

[lofty depot]

well if ur doing like 20% less than the middle

prob

[flat pewter]

I don’t want to guess that’s why I’ve come to the experts

[nimble tangle]

Taiwan No.1

[flat pewter]

I just think my parses are low because OCE server is harder than NA or EU

[merry egret]

Lol. I'm just memeing. No offense to either server. 🤪

[glacial steeple]

Gotta outparse the other 4 boomkins bro

[nimble tangle]

don't worry

i lived in the US for over 15 years

MERIKA

MERIKA

MERIKA

[merry egret]

Ni-howdy

[nimble tangle]

Yeehaw

[lofty depot]

thats not how parses work

[teal sphinx]

[lofty depot]

ur parses are low cuz ur not doing damage

[merry egret]

My parses are low because other people do more damage.

[lofty depot]

do more damage

[flat pewter]

Harder competition on OCE due to all the players being better unfortunately

Ask Gamz

[lofty depot]

thats just not true

[lucid olive]

Huh why ask me

I'm European as hell

[lofty depot]

he thinks ur smart

fuggn idiot

[lucid olive]

Bet

[lofty depot]

actually rae might find this funny

@elder remnant

[lofty depot]

mmhm mmhm

[lucid olive]

OCE has Sheep

Idk man

Average OCE skill level gets dragged down from that I think

[lofty depot]

confused why he thinks he has bad parses

[alpine tendon]

any tbc druids in here that can help me with a question

[lofty depot]

this isnt a classic discord

[lofty depot]

https://discord.gg/SMwmrBV

sure it has a tbc ssection

[flat pewter]

Maybe id parse better with Aussie translation to the guides, i dont speak English

Can this be raised to wowhead editor pls

[lofty depot]

no

[flat pewter]

😡

[lofty depot]

probably do better if u pressed ur buttons correctly

[flat pewter]

They’re upside down for me sorry

Hard to tell sometimes

I told you it was harder in OCE

[delicate perch]

Living proof right here

[jolly delta]

nvm apparently it already happened

https://www.wowhead.com/news/blizzard-explains-why-most-debuffs-are-private-auras-in-midnight-season-1-380762#comments

[grim crater]

what is the preferred skill starweaver or Rattle?

[lofty depot]

weaver prob

[grim crater]

I would imagine, I feel like i get more value for weaver than rattle

[lofty depot]

ull gain even more later

[elder remnant]

there's competition in oce?

[elder remnant]

i raided with a boomie once that fit that description

[dense steeple]

which one

kekkers racists or buttons on pc

[elder remnant]

the australian

See it's funny because

I raided in a guild with cavey

so i'm saying he was that boomie

get it?

[dense steeple]

hes probably one of the most racist guys i know

[lofty depot]

hehe

[elder remnant]

nah his officers are way worse

[dense steeple]

||im making that up by choosing one of the 3 at random||

[delicate perch]

Thank you

[dull dust]

artic is slackin

[delicate perch]

NA loses again

[dense steeple]

[flat pewter]

OCE is a very competitive and serious region

One of the only regions to have a guild in the top 20 guild rankings

[orchid coyote]

OCE takes WoW and CS seriously and thats it

[flat pewter]

Customer service?

[orchid coyote]

counter strike lol

[hollow mist]

CUSTOMER SERVICE

[flat pewter]

Oh my next guess was cybersecurity

[dense steeple]

Thats abbreviated to csec

[flat pewter]

We call it cyber security in OCE

[elder remnant]

[lofty depot]

gotta do 4 week pvp quest smh

[lofty depot]

@dull dust we did it

[potent cargo]

not any more unfortunately

well, not for a long time

never been a competition just a decimation

[flat pewter]

It’s harder to play in OCE that’s why

[hollow mist]

must be all the xenophobia and slurs

[potent cargo]

nah

those make u better

believe it or not

[hollow mist]

crazy comms

[visual gull]

i am hard

[trim schooner]

🫡

[brave gulch]

i am hard

[hidden spire]

anyone know what reputation 246 neck is better?

for balance

[lofty depot]

u could sim it if u want

[hidden spire]

but i dont hace them

have

[lofty depot]

ok so learnign time

u can tkae your /simc into top gear... and then search the necks

and the u can change their ilvls, u can add gems. all kinds of fun stuff

[hidden spire]

i will try it

[lofty depot]

specificlly dont like vers..... so i chose crit neck

[dull dust]

the sims already had the buffed gems arctic

[lofty depot]

rekt

jsut a tooltip bug

cuz tooltip from wowhead :/

silly sim

[hidden spire]

yeah its either mastery with vers or cele crit

[lofty depot]

cele

lock in

[loud kettle]

locking in

[hidden spire]

yeah i was thinking of taking that one

[lofty depot]

nice one

[hidden spire]

but im gona sim it

or try

[lofty depot]

is good to try

so then u know when it actually matters

[hidden spire]

i have the game in spanish so i dont know the name of the item to put it in raidbots

ommg

now i have to translate too

[jaunty blaze]

Why don't we Google it

[cedar pumice]

what are you crafting first?

[lofty depot]

should likely hold sparks until after first vault

u can craft some veteran crest items for embell for first clear

[honest granite]

coming back to retail after long break. loved boomy back in teh day. whats the vibe for midnight?

[potent cargo]

reroll

[jaunty blaze]

😭

Come back in a week and we can tell you

Numbers wise it's not looking good rn

[round field]

extend the break

[nimble tangle]

MASTERY

Always mastery

[honest granite]

LOL

damn

[runic mason]

I have fun

[dull dust]

@lucid olive ey yo i lied earlier about the starweaver thingy

https://klipy.com/gifs/homer-simpson-hide-in-shrubs-1

[wet kraken]

Am I coping if I think I can make Elune work for raids?

(and not be totally griefing)

[lyric stag]

its your $15/month

u can do whatever u want and they cant stop u

[dull dust]

elunes should be fine for raids

its not that far behind

depending what ur doing i guess

[woven burrow]

Is balance druid super gear reliant? I cant seem to do basic delve pulls without going in seconds at level 85-86

[dull dust]

no

but also jsut level as bear

[woven burrow]

[vale pebble]

my $15 are telling me to farm 30k honor should i listen to them or are they lying

[lyric stag]

yep login

[royal zenith]

Real tarisant??

[round field]

Only on paper

In an actual raid scenario ec is horrible

Gl moving and casting 2 sec starfires

[dull dust]

just blink

whoops wrong class

[jaunty blaze]

[south egret]

Have you all been playing keeper or elune for m0s? Or have all been playing bear? 🤣

[jaunty blaze]

Bear goes hard wcyd

[south egret]

My tank dident want 2 tanks is the grp so i went keeper boomie. Good boss dmg imo

[jade flume]

elune pipes on g

[vale pebble]

ur tank is cluegi

2tank pull dungeon is the m0 meta

[lyric stag]

I am your biggest fan

[vale pebble]

not if i am his biggest fan

[lyric stag]

shoot u are right

[round field]

im his biggest hater

dunce @royal zenith

[royal zenith]

Im fan of all of you

[royal zenith]

yuge fan of the tarisant

[still sequoia]

my f god balance feels so shit

[sudden flame]

[twin lotus]

savaage

[jolly delta]

wait until we get buffs

suddenly balance feels so good

[still sequoia]

this elipse change tho, horrible

[jolly delta]

why

you were pressing 2 useless buttons before

now you press 1

and on a lower gcd

and you can press it while moving

like idk did you really like hardcasting starfires in the middle of a fight?

[jaunty blaze]

Surely

[dim solar]

Eclipse being on any kind of GCD feels awful.

[somber goblet]

I mean ur obviously right on everything, but I can agree on "old eclipse felt better" because I think the old one felt like a well-paced dance, easily predictable, always the same, u could catch the rythm pretty easily
This one feels more like a new cd u press to boost dmg, and not rly linked to the gameplay anymore

Anyway we will ofc adapt, and in fact its less buttons to press but I can rely on the feeling

[hollow mist]

thanks deux hope u have a good weekend ^-^

[twin lotus]

i am liking the new eclipse more and more

feels nice setting it up and absolutely blasting (30k dps, getting guardianmogged from ravagemaxxing)

but fr going into eclipse with 3 fast surges with the ascendant thing and BoaT and trees is nice

[royal zenith]

except u..

[round field]

bring back voti

wrath in lunar was peak

closest we had to eclipse being deleted

[hollow mist]

wth

[deep hearth]

Do we expect buffs in heroic week or are we crying. What do you think?

[jolly delta]

No one knows

[deep hearth]

of course we dont. im asking guesses and hopes

[round field]

every spec hopes for buffs

[wet kraken]

I belieb

+100k dps ez
I saw it in a dream

[deep hearth]

Good call

[round field]

my prediction based on history is that we will be left to rot until the tier is over and hof is closed and then we will be buffed into a decent spot

just like previous tiers

[vale pebble]

yea mate this spec is getting at least a 3% aura

[round field]

stop lying to people chicken

[vale pebble]

it is mate

might be 30% behind bear

but its getting at least a 3% aura

money back guarantee

[round field]

isnt 3% of nothing still nothing

[vale pebble]

exactly

[round field]

[vale pebble]

but it is getting a 3%

so its a buff

[delicate perch]

3% buff to starfire

[jolly delta]

dev saw the guy complaining about the fact that we have to press it and decided to make it a meaningful button

[delicate perch]

thanks blizzard!

[jaunty blaze]

So hyped

[woven flint]

shutting down the discord till buff

[jolly delta]

See you in the last titan!

[woven flint]

i will see you after the triology were we go back to shadowlands and we become vampires again

[jolly delta]

can't wait for shadowlands classic

[woven flint]

same

always wanted to try venthyr in nathria

[maiden pasture]

Don't do that

IIRC venthyr without the Venthyr legendary was chopped cheese

[flint lichen]

what are the actual best trinkets atm? all these websites are saying different things

[woven flint]

o yeah forgot about that

[jaunty blaze]

Always sim what best for your character

[flint lichen]

thought that was unreliable atm but that is what ive been following, ty

[jaunty blaze]

APL is still work in progress but it's ok for now

[royal zenith]

chopped cheese 💀

when the spec is always chopped cheese for you, cause all you do is follow WA's and guides 💀

[round field]

what else are u supposed to do

[maiden pasture]

Why think when I can just do

[round field]

cant do either now tbh

weakaura dead

guidewriter dead

we viberotationing this xpac

[maiden pasture]

Horrible news for the guide followers (me)

[round field]

what do u need a guide for

spec is like the same as the last like 6 years

[maiden pasture]

Or 7

[lofty depot]

Tell your other tank to grow up, there's a new giga chad in town. I did a 3 tank m0 last night and that shit was badass

[round field]

ur lucky im not allowed to speak my thoughts

[potent cargo]

do it

slur rn

[lofty depot]

Good, fuck the old gameplay.... Getting any mechanic and being out of eclipse because u couldn't cast was giga cringe.

[round field]

nooo

im already on thin ice

[maiden pasture]

aintnoway a 67 ragebaited u

🥀

[round field]

i present to you being forced into eclipse in a way where it lines up poorly with mechanics

old eclipse was just dookie

#deleteeclipse

[potent cargo]

i have never seen a more head dented take

[lofty depot]

Well I agree that I dislike eclipse and preferred empowerments

[potent cargo]

than ppl disliking new eclipse and prefering old one

[lofty depot]

But this is objectively better that old

[potent cargo]

https://tenor.com/view/dented-head-head-smile-gif-12205170

[jaunty blaze]

Can only be minigamers

[round field]

its 10x better

its still shit

but better

[lofty depot]

Mmhm

[round field]

went from diarrhea to a solid

[jaunty blaze]

I refuse to believe anyone raiding prefered old eclipse

[maiden pasture]

what if i preferred rotating eclipses

[lofty depot]

Mor fiber, gooder

[lofty depot]

🚪

[maiden pasture]

(for legal reasons this is a joke)

[round field]

no eclipse best eclipse

voti my beloved

press wrath

press starfire if proc

no think

only blast

[lofty depot]

Mmhm mmhm

Bet those people that dislike the button, hated flare

[potent cargo]

rotating eclipse was the worst version of it all lmao

[round field]

i hate flare

such a nothingburger button

[potent cargo]

fkn channeling that shit spell to speed up eclipse cycling just do u can do ur aoe

[lofty depot]

Flare and mushroom

[maiden pasture]

flare was cringe cause it had no fun interactions, other people hated it cause they thought they had to perma cast it on massive aoe pulls

[rose garnet]

moonkin weekly still trash check

[potent cargo]

still trash

continue on

[rose garnet]

ok see you next week peace

[jaunty blaze]

[lofty depot]

Shs fun interaction

[maiden pasture]

🙅‍♂️

[lofty depot]

They hated it cuz they can't think obextively

It's a wrath, grr no grrrrrre

[round field]

If you had starsurge and a starsurge with a cast time gun to ur head which one do u call bad

[potent cargo]

surge

4shoor

[lofty depot]

Does the surge with cast time sometimes have a proc for instant cast

Or r u being funny about using a different spell name

[round field]

They do basically the same thing

No procs nothing

[maiden pasture]

stellar flare was nice in council so that u dont completely fall asleep at least xd

[round field]

eh

sure

keep number up

but it doesnt rly do anyhting

just bring back stellar drift

spec is so far in the bump that the most op talent in the world wont even fix it

[trail heath]

Happy 3% increase to all damage day!

[lofty depot]

U could play it on court

Big gameplay

[lofty depot]

It's pretty crazy they added a whole ass spec that can cast while move for 95% of its rotation

[round field]

And has crazy mobility

[royal zenith]

is it crazy though

or should that be the norm

[round field]

Gonna be the norm

[lucid olive]

Who is norm

[eager raft]

What a profound thought

[round field]

Making the game noob friendly one patch at a time

We will circle back to classic tier rotations in a few expansions

OBR will be the only way to play ur spec

[grim mirage]

make all spell castable with movement
add a talent point that makes cast wihout moving make 20% more damage

[lofty depot]

The radio show guy

[lucid olive]

Rip Norm Macdonald

[lofty depot]

It wasn't 20% back then... But there was a drawback

Tbf that's why liked the rattle vs weaver thought process

Then they made it so u always rattle

[royal zenith]

was the game ever really hard

or was it just a mess of non-intended interactions

thoughts?

[eager raft]

[jolly delta]

for balance not really

[round field]

Interesting != hard

[jolly delta]

other specs arguably a bit yeah

[eager raft]

the game must be hard

With how bad some ppl are at it

[jolly delta]

well, depends on what you mean by non-intended

I think that most of the complexity wasn't explicitly designed and was just a result of simc

[royal zenith]

cancelaura starlord type of things

[royal zenith]

correct

what made it harder/interesting is finding the golden nugget in optimization

which blizzard probably never really intends or intended

they just want to provide content :3

[eager raft]

Cancel aura starlord

[jolly delta]

sure but I would argue that cancelaura starlord is a different thing compared to idk the giant APL that enh had at one point

[lofty depot]

Breaking game is fun

[lucid olive]

You wanna talk giant APL

You were afk in Manaforge..

[eager raft]

That shits just performative

Trying to make it look more complex than it is

[jolly delta]

so is cancelaura

[eager raft]

Facts

[lucid olive]

We had 3 variables that hit the discord character limit..

[lofty depot]

Longer than frost mage apl

[royal zenith]

giant APL?

as in loads of lines?

[lofty depot]

Chancel can't read it

[royal zenith]

just a bunch of ifs and thens

ez pz

[jolly delta]

As in lots of different conditions yeah

[jolly delta]

Maybe blizzard should make the game fun

Thoughts?

[eager raft]

if you didn’t enjoy mfo maybe it’s just not the game for you

That raid banged

[lofty depot]

I wish I could read

BM hunter talking

[jolly delta]

No I didnt even try mfo

Because s1 sucked so hard

[lucid olive]

Eh,

[lofty depot]

He look the weather boy is in the corner having fun

[lucid olive]

It was okay

[eager raft]

me when I have to wait for everyone else to reroll so I can get a r1

[lucid olive]

The purple and blue void aesthetic got old really fast

[eager raft]

[lucid olive]

And now we get another raid tier of same color scheme

[fiery kindle]

Is there anyone who likes the new starlord mechanic?

[lucid olive]

Season 2 in TWW was the best one imo

[fiery kindle]

-_-

[lucid olive]

Yeah it's alright

[fiery kindle]

If it's meta inm+, it's the best for me

[lucid olive]

Ew

[jolly delta]

I mean basically the same innit

[lofty depot]

Held rank for longer than a week

[fiery kindle]

hhhh i guess its really hard . Before the eclipse ends, stack Astral Power. go in and spend ap repeat x1000

[lofty depot]

Prog r1'd saladbar

[lofty depot]

Send asp before eclipse ends

[jolly delta]

We literally played in the same way before

[dense steeple]

Imagine building asp in eclipse instead of spending

[jolly delta]

• this

[eager raft]

Yeah that’s a good point. The aesthetic got a bit old but I don’t really include that in my opinion on the fight design

[royal zenith]

detach damage buffs from spenders

I have a new pet peeve

with balance druid

[jolly delta]

damage buffs????

[karmic lake]

we need a pink and green neon raid

[jolly delta]

[royal zenith]

ye

starlord

[fiery kindle]

every time you enter an eclipse star lord resets now. are u sure?

[royal zenith]

he build the dreamgrove website man

he's an expert at the spec

[eager raft]

You’re almost never entering eclipse while Starlord is even active

[dense steeple]

Its not even a balance thing most classes are cd burst classes

[royal zenith]

[eager raft]

So the interaction doesn’t even happen

[lofty depot]

Before if u played correctly starlord ended before u slammed 3 surges so what's the difff

[royal zenith]

he's factually right though

playstyle did change

don't have to be a dickhead about it

[jolly delta]

I am sure, in the sense that both now and before you
1 - Wanted to spend before exiting
2 - Wanted to spend as soon as you enter for boat
3 - Wanted to spend as much as possible to get 3 sl stacks quickly

[royal zenith]

does it mean you're casting different things, not really

[jolly delta]

I dont think I'm being a dickhead

[eager raft]

1 and 2 are entirely conflicting principles for any previous eclipse systems

[fiery kindle]

back then, starlord was 15, now its 20

[royal zenith]

I dunno, you guys are trying real hard to prove him 'wrong'

[eager raft]

How were you spending at the end AND during boat

[royal zenith]

things did change which is just factual

[fiery kindle]

the playstyle has changed

[royal zenith]

just not by a lot

[dense steeple]

Maybe if you weren't such a dickhead about it you would understand that youre being a dickhead about it. Some expert you are

[lofty depot]

Because u spend asp at the end to dump ur buffed surges silly

[royal zenith]

(Im also just wasting time @ work so Im picking the fun side)

[dense steeple]

Same

[jolly delta]

Sure no I mean, there are some slight changes

Not denying that

[fiery kindle]

I’ve got nothing against casual players—maybe it’s actually good for them. Speaking as someone who plays at the 0.1% level in every expansion, things are bad right now.

[lofty depot]

Idk u didn't play boomkin so u don't know what was going on, fuggn weather boy

[royal zenith]

Okay

[eager raft]

That’s not what I’m saying. I’m wondering how u were spending asp before exiting eclipse and then also spending asp when you enter it

[jolly delta]

But it's mostly more of the same, I don't think it changes anything that much

[royal zenith]

I swapped sides

why did you have to pull the 0.1% level card

[lofty depot]

What I said lol

[dense steeple]

Yeah you lost me too

.1%

[royal zenith]

it's not that unique in wow, you just spend more time playing the game 😭

[dense steeple]

What are you liquid

[lofty depot]

What's bad?

[fiery kindle]

The GCD is bad; the gameplay is absolutely terrible

[jaunty blaze]

[eager raft]

How does what you say explain how you go from spending your asp at the end of eclipse, to then suddenly having another 90 asp after 2 starfires to enter the next eclipse

[dense steeple]

Im also a 0.1% player.

[royal zenith]

same

Im a HoF gamer, true 0.1%

[eager raft]

Maybe it’s been too long since I’ve played the spec if it worked like that

[royal zenith]

[dense steeple]

My blue and purple parses dont matter because 99.9% of the playerbase doesn't even raid

[royal zenith]

LFR is just DIFFERENT from mythic raiding man

[lucid olive]

You say the GCD is bad but you would hate Eclipse being off gcd

[royal zenith]

delete eclipse button

riot

[lucid olive]

You just don't know you would hate it before you play what that version would be

[eager raft]

delete eclipse button

[fiery kindle]

I'm not the type of person who's open to new things, delete eclipse button really

[lucid olive]

That checks out

0.1% player in classic then surely

[eager raft]

Yeah bring me back to the good ol days of casting 2 starfires to enter eclipse

[royal zenith]

wrong

[eager raft]

2 non eclipse buffed single target starfires > pressing button with half a gcd

[fiery kindle]

We'll see after the 17th

[eager raft]

Truly the Socrates of our time

[royal zenith]

you couldn't be more wrong

[jaunty blaze]

The button will still be there after the 17th

[eager raft]

if you’re sayin I’m wrong I know I’m right

[fiery kindle]

You can cast Starfire without Eclipse in long fights, what a bad..

[royal zenith]

love having to spend 4 seconds casting to do my actual damage

lfg!!!

[runic kindle]

Or just remove the half gcd from eclipse. I always feel like gcds on damage cds feel bad. I get why they do it its just like

[eager raft]

Oh no he doesn’t know what sarcasm is

[royal zenith]

unless...

[eager raft]

Pardon

[jolly delta]

I didnt mean spend to 0 and then cast 3 surges. But you still had the same incentives + you were generating asp with woe

[eager raft]

What does “you can cast starfire without eclipse in long fights” mean

[jolly delta]

The details changed during patches sure

[eager raft]

I’m just arguing semantics tbh

Just tryna get thru the work day

[jolly delta]

Same

[eager raft]

I am still curious about the casting starfires without eclipse in long fights tho

[jolly delta]

[jaunty blaze]

Hackerman

[fiery kindle]

just a question, do you like the current boomkin?

[royal zenith]

op=set:respectable

[eager raft]

LOL

[royal zenith]

[eager raft]

friend=set.deux

[royal zenith]

.delete

[jolly delta]

[royal zenith]

does it actually matter

[eager raft]

if.deux=bestie then smile.emoji

[lofty depot]

What u said makes no sense

[royal zenith]

here's the thing about wow

[eager raft]

🙂

[royal zenith]

things change, devs do whatever

[pallid idol]

fking nerds

[lofty depot]

I will log hunt for ur 0.1% u claim if we like. Because I don't think u know why eclipse being different is objectively better

[royal zenith]

you can leave feedback on what you like

[jolly delta]

I am still annoyed that we don't have a dg neighbourhood

[royal zenith]

won't change shit

better to focus on dealing more dps

get aura buff

wait till next patch

unironically

[lucid olive]

what a bad...

[eager raft]

That statement is gonna keep me up at night

[fiery kindle]

[lusty echo]

I can't find the info : How many targets do we need to get into the AOE rotation instead of singletarget ?

[eager raft]

What could it possibly mean!!

[jolly delta]

2

[fiery kindle]

well see

[royal zenith]

what a bad thought, casting starfires all the time

finished it

[lusty echo]

So with 2 targets : we go full starfall ?

[lucid olive]

Man I hope moonkin isn't meta in m+

[jaunty blaze]

Same

[royal zenith]

It will be

[pseudo merlin]

same

[royal zenith]

we'll get a ST buff

and suddenly

[pseudo merlin]

I hope moonkin is dead everywhere

[royal zenith]

poof

[fiery kindle]

[pseudo merlin]

My spec got a stealth ST buff yesterday

[lucid olive]

All the minigamers asking for log review on their +20s

[pseudo merlin]

6% more ST dmg due to a bug

[jaunty blaze]

Plus all their takes

[lucid olive]

Resilient keys really suck imo

[jaunty blaze]

🥀

[lofty depot]

"do u even do those keys... Do u know what ur doing".... No, but I know what ur doing is wrong

[eager raft]

ye resil keys make m+ a very unserious game mode

[fiery kindle]

at least im not feral

[pseudo merlin]

Okay buddy, link your rio

[royal zenith]

feral is better atm

[lucid olive]

Easy free title if you have patience and time to queue for 10 hours a day

[royal zenith]

Ive seen the sheets

[jolly delta]

missed the change

[royal zenith]

way better

[jolly delta]

i thought they just didnt drop below 12

how does it work now?

[lofty depot]

No

[lucid olive]

They don't drop below the highest you've done everything at

So if you do all 16s then it won't deplete below 16

For example

[jolly delta]

holy

wtf

[eager raft]

ppl get resil 21 then bring their friends or buyers and brute force completion

[lusty echo]

From 2 targets : we never starsurge, only starfall right ?

[eager raft]

and turbo inflate title score

[jolly delta]

this is so cringe

[lucid olive]

This ends up with a bunch of "+20 note tip" in LFG where people demand payment for each try

[jolly delta]

makes me want to rip the r word

[lofty depot]

U surge your weaver procs

[lucid olive]

It also ends up with like "oh we had one death in first pull gg let's reset"

Over and over and over and over

[fiery kindle]

check bora's guide > pinned

icyveins

[lofty depot]

Don't do that

[eager raft]

💀

[lucid olive]

Icyveins not bad

[pseudo merlin]

wow no hating on bora here

Atleast bora puts in the work unlike that other writer

[lofty depot]

I didn't say it was bad

[lucid olive]

Bora asked me some clarifying stuff yesterday so surely icyveins and Wowhead are same stuff now

[lofty depot]

I just wouldn't listen to Martell

[fiery kindle]

If you know a better way, go ahead and do it

[eager raft]

hahahahahaha

[pseudo merlin]

id like to see arctic try

[lofty depot]

Lol

Try what

[fiery kindle]

I want to fight you one on one

[pseudo merlin]

it would be the most passive aggressive "guide" ever

[eager raft]

You’d get gapped

[lofty depot]

U asked for help like 6 months ago on how to parse soulbinder

Let's not get it twisted blud

[pseudo merlin]

wasnt soulbinder in sanctum

[eager raft]

Render

[pseudo merlin]

ah

[royal zenith]

arctic will spit moonshine in your face

if you fight him

[lusty echo]

In the guide I find it hard to see from how many targets you switch from ST to AOE

[lofty depot]

[eager raft]

I’m getting baited into saying positive things about Arctic

[pseudo merlin]

2

[eager raft]

[fiery kindle]

You don’t forget certain things; I guess you’re a bit of a grudge-holder.

[royal zenith]

do it

I will make fun of you

[pseudo merlin]

@lucid olive SEE

[lusty echo]

ty

[lofty depot]

No, on the contrary. I just say shit for reactions

[royal zenith]

(the number 2 is not based off of facts)

prove it ravec

[pseudo merlin]

I can't

[royal zenith]

prove that you're right

[pseudo merlin]

It's not in the guides

https://klipy.com/gifs/dance-moms-stressed-1

[royal zenith]

what if starfire splash damage and starsurging is more efficient

what do

I need to KNOW

[eager raft]

then it’s unknowable

[royal zenith]

focus macro starsurge

[pseudo merlin]

starfire splash damage meta would be the fucking day

[royal zenith]

think that was the case in what's it called

vault?

of the incarnates

[pseudo merlin]

lets keep it th ere

[eager raft]

We did not cast starfire

the good ol wrath in lunar eclipse days

actually was unironically the peak of moonkin design

[lofty depot]

Focus macro surge back on the u menu

[lucid olive]

Nah Deux is right

[eager raft]

deux is always right

[pseudo merlin]

ok calm down

[lucid olive]

Think after they added Astral Smolder and Wild Surges it was better to main target the add on Kurog because it did more boss dmg

[pseudo merlin]

we dont need another deux egotrip

[royal zenith]

Im anti ego

[eager raft]

Now that u mention this I do remember somethin like that

[royal zenith]

I just want things to be factual..

[pseudo merlin]

antigo?

i agree