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ionic gate
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arcui HUH

lucid olive
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It's not lower 🙂

jaunty blaze
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It's another cdm addon

spice roost
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or is it based on tierset

lucid olive
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The APL is not pushed to raidbots yet cause it's not finished

spice roost
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i see

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that looks cursed to play tho

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foe with convoke

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i would hate that

lucid olive
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It's fine, you just press FoE before treants

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No other thought required

vale pebble
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aioiui

sudden flame
lucid olive
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AyijeCDM can put them in their own group and place them wherever tf you want

potent cargo
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Can you make multiple grps

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Bc that would prolly work for what thingy wanted

lucid olive
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Can have infinite buff group

potent cargo
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One on either side of char

frosty crypt
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Hello, yesterday i did my m0 tour and switched to touch the cosmos. I was wondering are we supposed to give that proc the highest prio and starsurge or not?

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It feels terrible to starsurge when i have a proc and 7 enemies in m0

lucid olive
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Just added defensive and movement speed buffs and put movement speed next to player frame, defensives above player frame and Starlord in its own group above the rest

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Also Buff Bars can be static if you want so the icons never move

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.

lucid olive
frosty crypt
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No wrong talent i meant the one where if you cast starfall ylu have 40 percent for free starsurge

lucid olive
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Oh yeah unfortunate

frosty crypt
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How high prio is that

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Thats terrible haha

lucid olive
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It's still a gain to play around at 8 ish targets

frosty crypt
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And same for starsurge that give you proc for starfall in ST?

lucid olive
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Well that one you just spend regularly

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You're not pressing Starsurge to fish for free Starfall procs

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But you spend the free Starsurge procs you get from pressing Starfall anyway since it's AOE

frosty crypt
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I dont get what you mean

fickle swift
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I think he wants to know if it's worth using the starsurge proc from starfall in aoe

frosty crypt
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Yes

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Not in aoe in st

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As the talent says that starsurge can give you free starfall are we supposed to press the starfall

fickle swift
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Yes

frosty crypt
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I guess the free starfall proc is the dot icon from last expansion

lucid olive
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Then you spend AP and Starweaver on Starsurge

lucid olive
frosty crypt
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I understand

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But was hoping it was not necessary because it feels terrible

fickle swift
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is there a target count where using the free starsurge from weaver is not worth in aoe

lucid olive
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I think it feels great

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Alternating spenders is fun

lucid olive
frosty crypt
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You like hitting starsurge when you have 10 mobs in m+?

fickle swift
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i mean no but i dont really see it as starsurge and more a way to proc solstice

loud kettle
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the less starfire gets casted the better...

fickle swift
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i was just wondering what target count it is not worth doing so

lucid olive
lucid olive
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Rattle generally better on aoe dungeons

nimble tangle
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ayjie CDM is not even on curseforge glorp

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only available through ELVUI?

potent cargo
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Wago

nimble tangle
lucid olive
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Me when I fucking lie

nimble tangle
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huh thats how it is spelled?

pallid bay
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any funny buggerinos

lucid olive
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Not that I've noticed

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Think he's fixed most of the ones that were there

pallid bay
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can i do what i have for eclipses

vale pebble
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aiui

pallid bay
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AJUI

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might just swap honestly

lucid olive
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Maybe, but the fill direction isn't mirrored when the bars are next to each other

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Which is off putting

vale pebble
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i need a cast bar

lucid olive
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Idk if he fixed that or not

pallid bay
potent cargo
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Doesn’t break every 2min like bcdm

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Ymmv

pallid bay
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i could just use WA for eclipse tbf

lucid olive
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Like you put the bars next to each other and they both fill the same direction

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Oh you have 1 bar for all Eclipse stuff

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Ye can't do that

pallid bay
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i have 1 bar for duration

lucid olive
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Ye I scrolled up

nimble tangle
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whats the command to open AyijeCDM?

pallid bay
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2 bars for charges

lucid olive
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Thought you had the 2 bars meet in middle like in TWW

pallid bay
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/acdm

lucid olive
nimble tangle
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nice, already customed to chinese

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even nicer, can move trinket to essential bar!

potent cargo
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Yep

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This mine, trinket is bottom right on essential bar

nimble tangle
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yes very nice i like that layout

craggy sonnet
nimble tangle
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how do i make buff bar fixed not dynamic?

vale pebble
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arcai

nimble tangle
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wtf, my default castbar disappeared

pallid bay
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ajcdm has been around since beta

craggy sonnet
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Not public tho

pallid bay
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was the first publish on wago

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craggy sonnet
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What are you suggesting?

pallid bay
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thats what im asking you

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you asked what the hype was

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im asking what hype

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the addon has been around in his discord, developed since beta

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its just another CDM addon that seems to work well?

sudden flame
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im hyped for OIUI

vale pebble
nimble tangle
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if i added another row for buff, how do i move it?

vale pebble
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oiiai

sudden flame
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i can't beleive oiui sold out to ai

craggy sonnet
pallid bay
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right but whats the point

lucid olive
round field
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shadowlands classic when

vale pebble
nimble tangle
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GRACIAS SENOR

round field
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i need frenzy back

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right now

vale pebble
sudden flame
vale pebble
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bulgarian shadowlands priv server

pallid bay
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i guess the hype is that it seems to be a good functional CDM addon?

round field
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feral smells

sudden flame
nimble tangle
craggy sonnet
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Just wondering why it is being praised like BCDM was (which was always not great) when there are already other options out there

lucid olive
pallid bay
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idk i dont think im praising it so you might just have been asking the wrong person

lucid olive
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Oi not praising his guildmate

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Smh

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Cold shoulder officer

vale pebble
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clanker just wants to defend ai addons

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so arcui best friend

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arcai

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why not best friend with aiui?

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oiaiui

pallid bay
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ajCDM is also plenty of AI

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OIUIUI

vale pebble
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aicdm

craggy sonnet
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Yea sorry. I guess I was mixing two different messages. I tagged you mostly because you can do the stuff you were asking about with arc but not AJ

round field
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the addon downfall needs to be studied

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from weakauras

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to ai slop

vale pebble
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from weakauras to ai slop to weakauras ai

frosty crypt
pallid bay
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whenever ive read anything about arcui its been mages in forgycord complaining that it bricks

lucid olive
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Yeah clankz is the only person I've seen talk about ArcUI like it's not dogshit

nimble tangle
pallid bay
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plus if i use ajCDM i get to harass my guildmate about things

lucid olive
pallid bay
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i'll prob use neither tbf, too lazy

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actually i might use something for the other specs

nimble tangle
nimble tangle
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u created new groups for buff

lucid olive
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The "ungrouped buffs" is useless

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Put them in groups and you have more control over them

pearl pivot
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also tryd arcui and bricked in like 20 min of testing stuff, got all of the sudden 2 trinket bars and eclipse not showing half the time

potent cargo
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inb4 vibe coded

nimble tangle
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nvm, i found it, anchor to buff viewer

delicate perch
hard harness
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Hello i came here because wowhead and icy veins both seem outdated and conflicting with each other and with themselves which hero talents are preferable for mythic+

nimble tangle
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ngl, so far i like this new CDM much better

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BUT why is my default castbar gone

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i unchecked hiding blizz default castbar already

craggy sonnet
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reload?

nimble tangle
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i did

pine mica
nimble tangle
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let me completely reopen game

hard harness
jaunty blaze
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Both work fine for now

craggy sonnet
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M+ not even out

pallid bay
nimble tangle
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another main issue is sensei resource bar will disappear sometimes

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maybe i cannot anchor sensei bar to ACDM for now?

hard harness
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Another question i had if i have 0 astral power and two eclipses should i pop eclipse not to waste the two stacks

craggy sonnet
craggy sonnet
hard harness
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At the start of a pull lets say i dot up do i wait to pull some ap or do i instantly go into eclipse

pine mica
hard harness
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So its better to waste some time sitting on 2 stacks rather than use it for ap generation

craggy sonnet
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If you do not intend to incarn after dotting, I don't think you'd wanna waste the ecl uptime not pressing spenders

hard harness
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And final question sorry for being so noisy is it better to sit at 3 stacks of star lord out of eclipse or should i enter eclipse if i have ap

nimble tangle
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neither AJ cast bar

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maybe i will get used to his resource bar

craggy sonnet
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Unless fight is ending already or whatever

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Not sure yet if starlord is relevant at all in the decision to press ecl

hard harness
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You lose stacks when you enter eclipse, no?

pine mica
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U have 5 sec to build up AP before eclipse

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U can use it, if u low on AP

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Otherwise, u can eclipse immediately

potent cargo
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you start building asp on the ass end of ur eclipse falling off, then using the rest of the starlord to build back up to full then eclipse triple surge so u max boat value

pine mica
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But idk how it works in long fights

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Like 5+ mins

hard harness
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Im not much into raiding i like dungeons

pine mica
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Much important is not overcappingg AP, but have close to maximum AP right before eclipse

hard harness
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What if i have starweaver or touch of the cosmos

craggy sonnet
pine mica
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If u have it on last 2-3 sec of eclipse, u can hold it for next

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But remember to not overcap

potent cargo
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if ur not playing the <40 asp ending eclipse talent

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it doesnt make sense

craggy sonnet
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Not that part

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Pooling end of eclipse

potent cargo
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which bit

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eh you gotta leave eclipse with a bit of something

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dont think we have enough haste to go from such low asp to enough for 3 surges

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i got i think literally 0 haste so my gen is in the fkn bin

craggy sonnet
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Maybe you don't spend the very last surge you could barely fit

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But otherwise I think there is enough downtime to build ap

potent cargo
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ye idk would need to play around with it

craggy sonnet
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And with procs to fuel the spender chain in eclipse it's probably not that much of a problem

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Especially with EG reduced ap cost

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Maybe even AC

potent cargo
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too late for me to go look at a sim

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idk if its been tested i assume not

craggy sonnet
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And every incarn where it really counts you have a lot of AP influx via foe and trees

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(as it stands currently)

potent cargo
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nvm im looking now

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holy fuck i hate reading apl

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this would be strictly for uhh

lucid olive
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which one are you reading

potent cargo
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non incarn

lucid olive
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don't read the one commited to live

potent cargo
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whatever abomination this is from tc

lucid olive
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ah yeah thats probably fine

potent cargo
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its just late here brain is fkd

lucid olive
potent cargo
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gamz could also just answer the q kappa

lucid olive
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higher number

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what question

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if its anything connected to pooling or whatever

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havent found any way to make that a gain in 5m sims

potent cargo
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yer pooling related

maiden pasture
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how much better is that draught pot than the normal one

lucid olive
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probably simbait potion but just sending it

maiden pasture
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simbait potion, simbait trinket on wowhead for m+

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this guy

lucid olive
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pooling lines for Eclipse are a gain in longer duration sims and a loss in shorter duration sims

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which makes sense

potent cargo
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lines?

lucid olive
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but doubt the APL will have pooling lines outside for AoE (which are mostly just dungeonroute stuff anyway)

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lines like you know

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,if=123.up&456.down

potent cargo
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ah yer

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this sim behaviour implies that it's not pooling since that surge isn't a free one

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and it just enters fresh eclipse with double surge

lucid olive
potent cargo
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surely it makes more sense to hold that surge and triple surge with higher boat stack

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vale pebble
lucid olive
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can probably make convoke better

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right now on 5m theyre equal, havent checked longer durations

vale pebble
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inc is kinda same as shortening the time u are not in eclipse

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yea ur mostly gonna play inc anyways

lucid olive
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yeah i think incarn better for most of the raid fights

vale pebble
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there are no st fights so :/

lucid olive
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but convoke better for like

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Salhadaar

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Beloren

pallid bay
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maybe fix?

vale pebble
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beloren yea

pallid bay
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@vale pebble fix?

lucid olive
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Salhadaar has dmg amp intermission

potent cargo
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sorry gamz no flame or anything

maiden pasture
vale pebble
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ah it does?

lucid olive
maiden pasture
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its lilke that huh

lucid olive
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linked a sim yesterday as well and someone commented on the pooling lines

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then never responded..

vale pebble
lucid olive
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yeah thats prob smarter

vale pebble
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link something > 1min later delete link

lucid olive
maiden pasture
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unknown ......

potent cargo
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i can see it

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u gonna get so many umm akshuallys in there

maiden pasture
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oh hell naw

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i just wanna be told whats optimal and press the buttons

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me no smart

pallid bay
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unknown??

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ragebait??

lucid olive
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green name sune would have been let in..

maiden pasture
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orange name sune was bis

potent cargo
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gg if i wrote the apl we'd be doing 130k

pallid bay
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white name sune is already in..

potent cargo
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i wrote the honorbuddy hunter APLs in wod those used to crank Kappa

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ez parses

vale pebble
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maybe u need this in the apl

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and it goes to 167k

maiden pasture
potent cargo
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J U I C E T H E S I M

lucid olive
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whats this ragebait title bro

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you think anyone reads this and goes "NO WAY????"

maiden pasture
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coming from the guy tweeting ragebait.....

lucid olive
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hey that was a banger

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it was public service announcement that opener changed

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all you need is an Adept retweet and everyone loses their minds..

potent cargo
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im like 99% sure i have heard max say the complete opposite in the last year or two

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citing that blizz just makes the boss and isnt sure if its killable (which in practicality is true bc of how many huge nerfs have to randomly happen to end bosses mid prog)

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although i guess im being rage baited rn because tune could imply tuning at any point

pallid bay
lucid olive
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whys the top left arrow diagonal

pallid bay
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dont you worry about that lil gup

lucid olive
pallid bay
craggy sonnet
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Quite a bit of leakage today

pallid bay
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the master baiter..

lucid olive
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I was changing some of the builds late last night and apparently forgot to hit save xddd

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these should make sense

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trail heath
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Convoke back babbyyy SadCat

nimble tangle
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huh we convoke again?

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why

jolly delta
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did we ever stop

lofty depot
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Post builds for both combos, 1 is still better than the other

vale pebble
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nothing ever changes

trail heath
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Buffs when

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I need my convoke to hit as hard as last season

jaunty blaze
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Tomorrow for sure

hard harness
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im playing keeper of the grove and i like 45 cd on trents instead of 4 trents am i stupid for it

jaunty blaze
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You can play whatever you like

trail heath
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Prob with convoke cause that’s 3% less damage

jaunty blaze
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It might just not be optimal

hard harness
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this is my build so far i dont know if im making some horrible mistakes 😄

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pseudo merlin
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yeah you're missing about 7 hero talent points

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and all of your apex

hard harness
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im still leveling

last nebula
hard harness
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76

jaunty blaze
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Get to max level first and then you can start worrying about the build tbh

pseudo merlin
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yeah it super doesnt matter (go bear)

hard harness
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i like to learn to play while leveling not after i hate bad habits

last nebula
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Bear the way

pseudo merlin
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There's no learning involved in which talents you pick

jaunty blaze
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You won't learn anything meaningful

jolly delta
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why are class discords full of condescending people that assume that whoever is asking doesn't know how to play the game

hard harness
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how so i do play around them no?

jolly delta
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thank god dreamgrove is not like this

lucid olive
jolly delta
ruby badger
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Just follow basic principles outlined in the wowhead guide, i.e avoid capping AP and worry about the rest when you're 90

pseudo merlin
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definitely a good thing

hard harness
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i like to build muscle memory

pseudo merlin
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Yeah your talents are not going to cause you to have to adapt to a different set of muscle memory

lucid olive
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the muscle memory is the same regardless of talents

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spread dots

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enter the right eclipse depending on target count

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cast the right spender

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press your cooldowns

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all builds follow the same principles

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some builds just have more random buttons than others

pseudo merlin
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Leveling as bamkin and not loser guardian druid is a good way to build up some muscle memory on the way to max level though

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imagine guardian levelers lmao

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amirite @lucid olive

tacit quest
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The issue I have is that even seemingly pressing all the right order of buttons I still do shit damage compared to similarly geared other specs

last nebula
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ur right until u level multiple druids

lucid olive
pseudo merlin
lucid olive
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don't compare yourself to other specs

pseudo merlin
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Not the same person

lucid olive
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oh word

pseudo merlin
tacit quest
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I'm max level at 242

lucid olive
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thought it was the guy stuck at 70...

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my bad

pseudo merlin
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yeah similar pfps

lucid olive
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idk i was blasting 50k overall in my m0s yesterday

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peaked 200k on a pull..

pseudo merlin
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were you the only one there?

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you and a healer

lucid olive
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played with a rogue and devourer

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and a guardian and mistweaver

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think i also had the lowest ilvl cause i barely logged in since launch..

pseudo merlin
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cuz every dungeon I do is like ret+arcane

trail heath
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Ohh we playing fury to with convoke

lucid olive
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you can play whatever talents you want

trail heath
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No I only wanna play what you say cause trust

lucid olive
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"recommended talents" is probably going to change another 6 times before season ends anyway

ruby badger
trail heath
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You mean six times in the next two weeks with buffs

lucid olive
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most moonkin talents only contribute like 1-2% of your overall dmg anyway

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which one of the random bullshit talents you take doesnt really change your rotation

round field
hard harness
round field
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Not that it would change anything

jolly delta
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they're not even choice nodes

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or you mean EC vs KOTG

slender island
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q about the tier set 2p: "Shooting Stars deal 50% more damage and generate 3 additional Astral Power outside Eclipse." -- anyone knows if the "out Eclipse" condition applies to AP gen only, or the +50% dmg for shooting stars too? blizz loves ambiguous tooltips dont they...

lucid olive
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Only the AP gen

slender island
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nice, thx

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a simple comma after "50% more damage" would've been so helpful

jolly delta
livid jay
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why is there a starfall at the end of the opener on dg?

lucid olive
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what does the big box at the top of DG say

lucid olive
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now you have people reading it when its VERY unfinished

jolly delta
lucid olive
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and taking it as gospel

hard harness
lucid olive
livid jay
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xD

jolly delta
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I was just expecting that

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to be enough

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silly me

lucid olive
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people don't read that

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you need to be hella intrusive with disclaimers like that

livid jay
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@delicate perch learn to read

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why dont u write it on a copy and push it once its all done

lucid olive
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I was going to

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Vinter decided to halfway update Compendium without asking

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that probably reads as more toxic than it was meant

jolly delta
jolly delta
jolly delta
tacit quest
jolly delta
livid jay
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yea thats my bad, my eyes went to this number and immediately ingored anything above or around it

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jolly delta
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if you scroll up there's a warning, if you scroll down there's this

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but no I get what you mean but it was easier to test some stuff for the new icons and spells this way

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and we're not linking the compendium in the pins

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so figured it would be fine

livid jay
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yea im no web dev im just yapping i love the work you guys are doing and even gamz pinned comment should be enough

jolly delta
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we're both yapping

livid jay
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its just pinned to the channel and i wasnt sure if it was last time i checked

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jolly delta
lucid olive
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Also as long as I have worked on Compendium my update deadline has always been the same

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It'll be updated at least 1 hour before NA server goes live on season start

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and then some inevitable minor updates after that when people catch some typos or whatever

lone turret
lucid olive
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no i just played convoke st talents

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its m0 so shit dies in 3 seconds anyway lol

maiden pasture
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not playing meteor seems silly

livid jay
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i was forced to do all my m0 as guardian

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i wanted to die

maiden pasture
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i've done them all as resto garf

craggy sonnet
maiden pasture
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storm but its just feelycraft idk

craggy sonnet
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dropping dots seems really bad still

lofty depot
craggy sonnet
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they are huge %

maiden pasture
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fuck it bro add both of em and remove goldrinn + denizen

maiden pasture
craggy sonnet
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my tanks are pulling mobs for 15s

lucid olive
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so

craggy sonnet
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dots start falling off once blasting begins

lucid olive
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you can pull like 40 mobs in m0s

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that shit will still die in less than 10 seconds

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i guess you could be playing with handless players

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thats a possibility

maiden pasture
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tbh we play like 2 packs a dungeon anyway

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just death skip everything

lucid olive
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ye thats why i just took full ST shit

maiden pasture
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caverns and den annoying cause u have to click shit

lucid olive
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also who tf really cares about optimal talents for m0s

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just zone in and talk shit with your team for little over an hour and you've done all 8 dungeons

trail heath
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I just take a demo, unholy, and bear and afk in mine

lucid olive
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funny bit

maiden pasture
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🙅‍♂️

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annoying as shit

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i wont click

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my glyph of stars has opposable thumbs..........

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why cant i click

lucid olive
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i picked it up with glyph of stars...

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didnt work in bear or cat tho

lofty depot
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Can't click in bear, is fine

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Me pull next pack, zoom zoom

royal zenith
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proper first world problems

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proud of you guys

lucid olive
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thanks you too

eager raft
royal zenith
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oh

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it's reversed mb

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fixed

royal zenith
eager raft
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How come

royal zenith
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cause I can

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say no

eager raft
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I reject it

royal zenith
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yday I tried balance druid with manual shrooms and meteorites

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it was shit

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played the remainder of m0 as feral

lucid olive
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meteorites bait talent

royal zenith
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that was fun

lofty depot
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I've been 2 tanking my m0s

royal zenith
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I feel like everything you do on balance is extremely insignificant

lucid olive
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ST talent that random hits any target in Starfall 😭

royal zenith
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everything you do -> talents you pick

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prayge tuning will cause a bit of change

lofty depot
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Canexx on the train too

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craggy sonnet
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big trinket stacker is all that talent is

royal zenith
#

yeah that's based tbf

lucid olive
royal zenith
#

I will

#

delete the game

lucid olive
#

think thats the most likely guess on what they'll do

craggy sonnet
#

3% aura, 3% starsurge

#

best i can do

lofty depot
#

That doesn't sound fun so they better not

#

Those rats better nerf the tierset I swear

lone turret
sour rampart
#

I love my teams boomkin so I hope they buff y'all

royal zenith
#

there's 2 talents with meteor in it's name, meteorites and meteor storm

leaden birch
#

is there a cheesy way to lvl alts atm?

royal zenith
#

I messed up and said meteorites...

leaden birch
#

I know the grudge pit thing was patched

lofty depot
#

Idk if cheesy made a strat, seems odd

craggy sonnet
#

harldan posted a speedrun route

#

but eh

lofty depot
#

Shadow guard point >

#

Get with the times

leaden birch
#

so just blast shadowguard point?

leaden birch
lofty depot
#

Well calamitous needs to be up

#

Otherwise ur pulling the whole dungeon and resetting, takes a bit longer

pseudo merlin
#

calamitous bangs ye

leaden birch
#

so just pull this entire place and slam

maiden pasture
leaden birch
#

beauty tyvm

pseudo merlin
#

wait that macro is fucking goated

#

that shaves off like 30% from a run

maiden pasture
#

huh

#

were u running out before

pseudo merlin
#

yes

maiden pasture
#

bro

#

u know u can also

#

right click ur frame

#

and it says leave delve

pseudo merlin
#

brother

#

Back in my day we ran to instance portals

maiden pasture
#

the macro saves like 1 click

pseudo merlin
#

entered them

#

and then exited them through the same portal

#

I had no reason to believe it would be any different now

#

crazy to think i couldve gotten drastically more exp

#

my max was like 850k/hr

maiden pasture
#

😭

#

adventure mode questing is like 1.2m/hr

pseudo merlin
#

would've been 1155k

#

yeah but you'd be questing

#

not making like 200k/hr selling level 80 greens

maiden pasture
#

the grudge pit was 2m/hr

lofty depot
#

The delve spam is 1.1-1.3m if ur gamer

leaden birch
#

I dunno if I missed it but am I just slamming this on Tier 1?

lofty depot
#

Yes

pseudo merlin
#

2mhr sounds cappachungus

maiden pasture
#

not at all

#

with guild banners and a good group

#

it was op

pseudo merlin
#

crazy

#

but im a lone wolf so

maiden pasture
#

i got my 6 chars im fine with that

pseudo merlin
#

6 bamkins`?

maiden pasture
#

4 bamkins

#

1 dh 1 warrior

pseudo merlin
#

big

tacit oriole
#

Are you guy crafting the 2 pieces that don’t require a spark if you got unlucky with gear?

lofty depot
#

Likely only craft 1 of them, but will decided that next week

pseudo merlin
#

you telling me we can p2w gear?

lofty depot
#

Cost veteran crests

jaunty blaze
#

Kinda

pseudo merlin
#

ah vets

#

what are the material costs at rn

#

tww launch was like 100k for a piece?

lofty depot
#

u can do daily m0s next week for champ gear

jaunty blaze
#

Should be cheap

tacit oriole
#

Yeah after my second round of m0. Managed to only get to 241 I think

pseudo merlin
#

only

#

m0 goes up to 240

sudden flame
#

only

lofty depot
#

Well m+ isn't in out

sudden flame
#

241

tacit oriole
#

Some people are like 244 to like 247 😂

sudden flame
#

lil bro is full bis

pseudo merlin
#

247?

#

what am I missing

#

rep is 245, m0 is 240

jaunty blaze
#

Sounds cap

lofty depot
#

Show someone 247

pseudo merlin
#

how are we magically generating 2 extra item levels

#

theres like 5 rep items

jaunty blaze
#

Not enough crests for that

pseudo merlin
#

that means

#

you can be 243

#

????

trail heath
#

People be crafting

lofty depot
#

Means they sent veteran crests I suppose

pseudo merlin
#

ah people are mad wasting crests

tacit oriole
fossil hemlock
#

Lmao

trail heath
#

Is it wasting crests if we are getting champion gear from normal raid

fossil hemlock
#

What are you holding vet crests for?

pseudo merlin
#

you gotta save your crests for the item level increase

#

so you can turn them into mythic crests at a 1:100 ratio

#

on day 1

lofty depot
#

Depends what they get tbf

tacit oriole
#

I’ve been using @sour rampart addon so it reminds me to not be an idiot and waste crests that I don’t need to xD

pseudo merlin
#

oh god dont summon him

jaunty blaze
#

Too late

tacit oriole
sour rampart
#

Ravec is dumb

tacit oriole
royal zenith
#

the addon is pretty trash

#

not even automated

sour rampart
jaunty blaze
#

That's not nice

tacit oriole
royal zenith
#

what's the point, if I can just open up an excel

#

if it doesn't automatically check it

rapid trout
#

Is boomie super weak in dungeons or am I just that bad with it?

sour rampart
#

Why not both?

royal zenith
#

yeah its weak

#

2nd, who knows

jaunty blaze
#

Both can be true

tacit oriole
#

Could be both

rapid trout
#

Ok just checking, probably both but wasn;t sure if it was ALL me

tacit oriole
#

That could be true though

#

Post a log and Garyuhyuh can break it down

rapid trout
#

thanks!

royal zenith
#

not worth it

#

these 10 second pulls hold very lil value

#

in terms of analyzing shit

#

but then again

#

arctic needs to fill his life with some meaning

#

amirite??

pseudo merlin
#

real

tacit oriole
#

Mhmm mhmm mhmm

lofty depot
#

This crazy

pseudo merlin
#

is this in your guide?

sour rampart
#

It can be

#

Brb

pseudo merlin
hollow mist
pseudo merlin
#

YO

sour rampart
pseudo merlin
#

WHY

tacit oriole
sour rampart
#

I briefly had "if you have a paladin named hurv in your guild, please bench him so he can play wow classic more" because a friend asked for it lol

round field
pseudo merlin
pseudo merlin
round field
#

who

pseudo merlin
sour rampart
#

That's crazy

round field
#

whats cnn

pseudo merlin
proud bloom
#

how many veteran crests do we get for each m0?

tacit oriole
#

I think 20. I may be wrong

round field
#

im gonna go off vibes and say 15

jaunty blaze
#

It's 10 actually

round field
#

shit

pseudo merlin
#

i bet its 25

round field
#

only 10

#

eww

halcyon verge
#

15 per each random hard prey too lol

dusky orchid
#

Hard preys give 10 crests too

lofty depot
#

Think 15

tacit oriole
#

Does prey reset daily or weekly?

lofty depot
#

Weekly prob

halcyon verge
#

it gives 15, at least it did last week. But you can do as many random ones as you want for 50 anima each time, up until crest cap

maiden pasture
#

yeah if u wanna cap vet crests u spam hard preys

#

or u can do delves next week if u would rather that

#

but theres nothing to do this week so why not

halcyon verge
#

and they only take a few min tbh

fast void
#

is it just a me problem, or is balance complete trash rn?

lofty depot
#

Could be both

lucid olive
#

its a you issue

#

i'm blasting

fast void
#

embarrassing

placid olive
#

Dumb question but, convoke is castable while moving right?

lucid olive
#

yes

placid olive
#

Okay thanks!

eager raft
rapid trout
#

having an agi wep would prob hurt my damage huh...

echo glen
#

how does one skip this weeks main story querst on alts?

sudden flame
#

go to the silvermoon in and directly left of the entrance you speak to soridormi

#

which lets you skip the campaign

buoyant ridge
#

they gonna buff bamkin so big

jolly delta
#

I will NOT implement lunation in the cooldown planner

buoyant ridge
#

I feel it

jolly delta
echo glen
wooden dew
#

My napkin math has 4 targets as the breakpoint to switch from starsurge to starfall as EC

sudden flame
#

oh this week then no idea

#

you probably cant

wooden dew
#

Is that the right #? or did I get it wrong?

jolly delta
#

you got it wrong

wooden dew
#

Aww

jolly delta
#

it's 2

lucid olive
#

i'd try diff brand napkins

wooden dew
#

I did 319 spellpower / 40 energy x1 target

#

Vs 225 spellpower/50 energy per target

livid jay
#

energy

wooden dew
#

Where did I fall apart?

jolly delta
wooden dew
#

Im at work

jolly delta
wooden dew
#

So not an opton

#

Option*

livid jay
#

sim it on a napkin

lucid olive
#

but you're typing on discord at work

#

surely it takes the same effort to open raidbots

wooden dew
#

Yes my phone bs a desktop

jolly delta
#

discord is allowed but raidbots no

lucid olive
#

@dull dust is writing our entire APL on his phone

#

whats ur excuse...

jaunty blaze
#

Built different

wooden dew
#

Apparently so

woven flint
lucid olive
#

omg its romancedruid

#

me and @eager raft are big fans

#

saw you leaking Midnight Falls footage on the ready check pull video!!!

woven flint
#

its on my yt channel as well 🤣

lucid olive
#

big leakage

woven flint
#

if only dsune would become my fan i could die happy

#

wanted to see if the compendium was up

lucid olive
#

Compendium will be updated at least 1 hour before NA servers come up on tuesday

woven flint
#

friend of mine insistant on playing balance druid this tier even though my friend cant play it properly but than was offended when i suggested to go bm

pseudo merlin
#

I think it's less offensive to suggest OBR than it is to suggest BM

woven flint
#

what is obr

pseudo merlin
#

chad

livid jay
#

whats worse, someone telling u to go BM or ret?

pseudo merlin
#

depends

#

skill wise bm

woven flint
#

i assumed 1 button rotation would work well with bm

pseudo merlin
#

if you attach stigma ret

jade drift
#

where the bluepost changes at

pseudo merlin
#

its not the 17th yet

woven flint
wooden dew
#

Ohhh is it the dot extension… that basically gives starfall an extra 50 spellpower per cast per target if you’re extending the dots… so it’s 5.5 spellpower per AP, so 2 target breakpoint…

jade drift
lucid olive
#

or

#

it's 1 target to press starfall

jade drift
lucid olive
#

because you play starweaver

pseudo merlin
#

the next balance changes are the 17th no?

jade drift
woven flint
lucid olive
#

Starfall as main spender on 2+ and Starfall to consume Touch the Cosmos and Starweaver's Warp on 1 target

pseudo merlin
#

what blue post are we waiting for

jade drift
pseudo merlin
lucid olive
#

yeah blue post probably tonight or tomorrow

sudden flame
#

need at least a 15% aura to be mid 🥀

lofty depot
woven flint
pseudo merlin
#

surely

jade drift
#

they're certainly doing a 25~ish% buff and not just a 5% aura buff

#

amirite

lucid olive
pseudo merlin
#

yeah

#

25% buff to wrath

lucid olive
pseudo merlin
#

figured they'd want a few extra days after the bug fixes

lucid olive
#

"OMG WHY DIDNT THEY NERF X SPEC"

"omg my spec was OP but @blizzard this is too much!!!"

pseudo merlin
#

like the apparitions fix for us was pretty important

woven flint
#

that was the case

lucid olive
#

the top 15 or the information

woven flint
#

the top 15

lucid olive
#

thought you were in xd

woven flint
#

not as a raider

lucid olive
#

L

misty forge
#

xd

woven flint
#

🤣

celest narwhal
#

one button macro feral does better than boomy being played properly btw. so just go zugzug

#

and don’t think

pseudo merlin
#

yeah but then you're a feral

misty forge
woven flint
wooden dew
lucid olive
wooden dew
#

Poop

jolly delta
lucid olive
#

too many variables

#

nobody has time for all that

jolly delta
#

You should napkin math yourself

pseudo merlin
#

prove him wrong

jolly delta
#

Yeah

wooden dew
#

Just out the fries in the bag

pseudo merlin
#

gamz too old to napkin math

wooden dew
#

Need an abacus

pseudo merlin
#

tiktok ai brain

wooden dew
#

For this codebase

jolly delta
lucid olive
#

Starweaver and Touch the Cosmos grant 3 seconds of Solstice, increasing the frequency of your Shooting Stars
Spenders from Convoke/Star Cascade give 1 second each
Shooting Stars are buffed 50% by your 2-piece
Every 30th Shooting Star drops an Orbit Breaker

Your 4-piece has a 40% chance for any spender cast to proc a Shooting Star that does uncapped AoE damage and also provides 1 stack of Orbit Breaker for each target hit (yes if you pull 30 targets you can hit back to back Orbit Breakers)

wooden dew
livid jay
#

just put it on your napkin and put that under your pillow

sly wadi
#

any rough numbers on how impactful tier will be, percentage wise? am too smoothbrain to analyze it myself

lucid olive
sly wadi
#

nice 😄

lucid olive
#

somewhere between 17-20%

#

best tier set in the game

pseudo merlin
#

what about in history?

lucid olive
#

worse than dryad manaforge set..

pseudo merlin
#

is it better than tier 4?

lucid olive
#

no clue i was busy being a menace to society when that was current content..

pseudo merlin
#

damn

jolly delta
misty forge
vale pebble
pseudo merlin
#

gamz when young

wooden dew
pseudo merlin
#

cruising around his home town

vale pebble
#

and kindling if not

jolly delta
#

Or any of the other dozen variables that might go into this

lucid olive
vale pebble
#

and then rattle i guess also

lucid olive
#

but who knows, someone can probably check

#

Rattle has just been dogshit every time I've tried

#

think the Hail of Stars loop is too strong and Shooting Stars do too much dmg

jolly delta
#

and other bs like this

#

which is why you cant eval spells in isolation

wooden dew
#

Interesting

lucid olive
#

is it

jolly delta
#

I'm not saying that it matters

#

It's probably w/e

wooden dew
#

Idk I feel like it’s fine to get less wrong over time

jolly delta
#

But i dont know that info, do you?

#

sim does

wooden dew
#

So spells in isolation is an OK starting point

lucid olive
#

I think dmg calculations like that are useful as a baseline, but you run sims after to verify your numbers

wooden dew
#

Sim tells me what but not why

lucid olive
#

And if the numbers are different then it's more likely your calculations are wrong than the sim

wooden dew
#

This is me thinking though why out loud

lucid olive
wooden dew
#

Right

pseudo merlin
#

what makes you say sims dont tell you why

wooden dew
#

I’ve used them pretty exlvusively as gearing recos

jolly delta
#

To be clear, I understand your pov

wooden dew
#

And just running the rotation profiles to see what the breakpoints are tells youblike

jolly delta
#

But you're misunderstanding the point of the sim in this case

wooden dew
#

When to flip rotations

#

But not the mechanics

jolly delta
#

The idea is to go and change the APL to see how exactly things interact

#

Or to look at the full HTML report

#

To get a better understanding of your damage sources, talent interactions etc

#

Which is more useful than doing napkin math

lucid olive
#

If you like fiddling with theorycrafting stuff like that, then you should try and get into how SimC and APL works, because it's not a very complicated language and it will skyrocket your overall understanding of the game (and weaken your faith in blizz devs)

wooden dew
#

Might give it a closer look this weekend

vale pebble
#

would be my guess

#

but u never encounter that

lucid olive
#

I think dungeons like Algethar

#

probably EC with Rattle not bad

#

I think @dull dust looked at what targets it's not worth to play around Weaver and it was like 8-9?

kindred token
#

Feral Druid sims are out?

lucid olive
#

so the target count it's worth taking Rattle instead probably less

tacit oriole
#

Wrong channel bub

hard harness
#

i am looking to do more ST damage cuz mine sux right now what can i do to improve

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tacit oriole
pseudo merlin
#

yeah but are they out tho?

pseudo merlin
#

then check the rotatio nsection there

lucid olive
lofty depot
#

Do not link bloodmallet in my channel

tacit oriole
#

No not bloodmallet

lucid olive
#

turn off dmg meter...

pseudo merlin
#

then reach max level and get logs

#

never use bloodmallet

tacit oriole
kindred token
pseudo merlin
#

bloodmallet is bad because it sims aoe with a single target profile, sims trinkets with only 1 slot equipped and without trinket combos

#

and then it also just isnt your char/current gear

lucid olive
#

The reason Bloodmallet is bad is because those profiles are never maintained

vale pebble
lucid olive
#

The fact that trinkets are simmed in isolation is also bad for sure

vale pebble
#

for the prio dmg

#

or something something

wooden dew
#

I’m also like…

#

Do you guys brick more keys for lack of throughput

lucid olive
#

I don't brick keys

#

wouldn't know

#

(I stop at +12 weeklies)

pseudo merlin
#

The only reason I ever brick keys is because everyone else sucks and I'm never the problem

lucid olive
#

real+true

lofty depot
#

Tank didn't pull enough, or healer couldn't heal good enough

wooden dew
#

Or lack of utility/mechs

#

I am taking the gonk loa for movespeed

lucid olive
#

if you brick a key its always because you didn't do enough dmg

#

if you do more dmg you skip mechanics

lofty depot
#

Just heal me prob

wooden dew
#

There’s gotta be breakpoints for that tho like 3 reps of mech vs. 2 reps of mech might require ilvls unattainable in current raid tier

pseudo merlin
#

we both killed the boss, but it took me 7 seconds and you 500 pulls

#

we are not the same

wooden dew
#

Honestly

#

transmog is the real endgame

pseudo merlin
#

im kinda sad this will be the first xpac where I dont have to queue LFR on 10 chars every week to need roll on peoples gear for transmog

#

That was always my favourite part of the tier

lucid olive
#

menace

wooden dew
#

Furniture is the new endgame

pseudo merlin
#

I kid you not I win every single piece of m0 end boss furniture

#

im just default rolling 80+

lucid olive
pseudo merlin
#

I dont even have a house

wooden dew
#

In general. I think I am like

#

Shitty to the point where running the move speed

#

Will help me dodge a mech often enough that it’s an overall dps gain for me

#

As opposed to a pretty modest stat stick

lucid olive
sudden flame
wooden dew
#

Oh man

#

WHAT A BLUNDER

#

It would have been hands doen the best one

lucid olive
#

if the loa blessings were actual buffs that affected you in instance

#

then i assume it would be part of guides and talked about more

wooden dew
#

Oh so this race like actually sucks thrn

lucid olive
#

oh, you mean zandalari loa blessings?

#

that race sucks yeah, but the racial blessings work

#

i assumed you meant the new loa blessing shit in Zul'aman campaign

wooden dew
#

Idk what that is I skipped all quedt text

lucid olive
#

same

wooden dew
#

Yeha zandalari loa stuff

#

I chose the move speed

lucid olive
#

sure

#

zandalari is shit in general

#

looks bad too (personal opinion)

#

but it's not like difference between races are big enough for it to matter

wooden dew
#

I wanted a horde druid and they wear the mogs best I should just go haranir

lucid olive
#

yeah none of them look good tbh

wooden dew
#

The fuckin feet

livid jay
lucid olive
#

so is war stomp

livid jay
#

not in my weekly 12s

eager raft
lucid olive
eager raft
#

And at least historically zandalri w/ paku loa has been among the highest simming (lol)

#

Zandalari druid forms are one of the main things that got me back into wow during BFA

kindred token
#

@lucid olive How do you know RomanceDruid? xD

round field
kindred token
eager raft
eager raft
lucid olive
#

not true

eager raft
#

I never had to use glyph of stars before race changing to nelf

round field
#

glyph of stars clears every boomy

lofty depot
#

Glyph of stars for fake mages that do no dam

lucid olive
#

glyph of stars with gleeful glamour - orc

eager raft
#

gleeful glammer panda you mean

lucid olive
#

no i will not be a panda

eager raft
#

female panda wrath animation is so good

round field
#

female panda lowkey good..

lucid olive
#

okay you're all trolling

pseudo merlin
#

nah

#

stop

#

yall need help

woven flint
wooden dew
#

Dino guardian form is

round field
wooden dew
#

So good

round field
woven flint
eager raft