balance

[delicate perch]

🫗

[late magnet]

kinda weird ask but could someone give me a talent build thats best just for killing 2 lowish hp mobs as fast as possible

[tulip snow]

just CA and convoke idk

[late magnet]

yeah im doing 1min more casts convoke but sometimes its on cd, thats when i CA but i dunno if theres like low icd talents that if your killing stuff every 30s or something will proc and be worth taking ect, i dont play druid

or if apex talents are good for every 30s killing

[tulip snow]

having trees + being in eclipse is still good, I have also been messing with talents to drop in and kill shit

[delicate perch]

is this a world quest kinda question

[tulip snow]

probably

[delicate perch]

because bear is probably better at that

first mangle in combat gives ravage and it procs quite often so you can double slam it very quickly

[tulip snow]

or it could be prey, I'm not sure yet cause that can also fit the description sometimes

[delicate perch]

true

boomy might be slightly better at that but once you have no cds boomy suddenly even more beans

[copper gate]

Team I just did m0s with real specs it’s not looking good

We need divine intervention

[delicate perch]

your fault for doing it as boomy

[tulip snow]

I flipped between my warlock and boomie tonight and yeah

still gonna raid boomie in mythic cause I love keeping a bench warm

[late magnet]

nah the rumblings from wild ore nodes

spawns 2 mobs

[potent cargo]

[jaunty blaze]

😭

[delicate perch]

ah yeah I will not pretend I know what that is

[jaunty blaze]

It's 2 like 150k ho mobs

[potent cargo]

I've never been poor in enough in wow or real life to ever want to farm ore in this fucking game

[delicate perch]

if you HAVE to kill them fast boomy should win but if they are killing you bear is literally unkillable

[delicate perch]

LMAO

[jaunty blaze]

Why do we need a build for that

[late magnet]

MINMAXING BROTHER

[delicate perch]

minmax a better class tbh

[jaunty blaze]

Just fly away

[late magnet]

unfortunately the nerfed skygolem so gotta play druid

[delicate perch]

wait you dont have to kill them?

[jaunty blaze]

No

[delicate perch]

meld and let someone else deal with em

[jaunty blaze]

They drop a bit more shit but it's surely better to just get the next node

[smoky remnant]

my friends

does haranir 1% dps on abberations racial work on raid bosses or am i stupid

[vale pebble]

should work on like 2-3 bosses i thinks

[smoky remnant]

its also elemental and beasts

so like half the bosses no

[vale pebble]

naaru guy is not elemental if u think that

[smoky remnant]

ah

[vale pebble]

i think its vorasius and the funny dreamrift guy

[smoky remnant]

🤔

[vale pebble]

phoenix guy might be an elemental?

not sure

[smoky remnant]

do we do it chat

do we spend 75 eur for 3 race changes

fk it we blast

[vale pebble]

yea hes elemental

[smoky remnant]

rip 75 usd

eur

[vale pebble]

imperator is

abberation

[livid jay]

blizzo aint getting any more shmoney out of me

nightelf bis

[vale pebble]

nelf is better for the more important fights

for sure

not sure if the egg is tagged as elemental either

dunno how i can see that

[smoky remnant]

WE BLAST CHAT

idk why im on ballance discord i aint even playing balance this patch

But other class discords are so cringe

[livid jay]

an impostor

[smoky remnant]

Bring back ravenous frenzy

[vale pebble]

truthnuke

[livid jay]

only person who still wants rf back is iqni

[vale pebble]

ur wrong

[twin lotus]

bring back stellar flare

[jolly delta]

[twin lotus]

[pallid bay]

real

[jolly delta]

I think they broke something btw, having the same issue

[livid jay]

did some dungeons in guardian instead of as boomkin (even tho we had a tank)

was faster tbh

[royal zenith]

there's no way

[livid jay]

i promise this game is good

[royal zenith]

unless..

[livid jay]

if someone sees me getting caught by fomo about next tier in about 3 months stop me and tell me to cancel sub

[misty forge]

the team can't handle both top players pumping and dumping brother

[livid jay]

yea u take my spot after this tier xD

[misty forge]

they're never gonna have me back, 2 people have me blacklisted brother

[quiet birch]

Treants with Keeper of the Grove seem to be behaving strangely with their moonfires. All 3 won't always moonfire and the moonfires aren't always affected by Twin Moons like last expansion. Is this a documented change that I missed or a bug? Has anyone else noticed?

[round field]

Wrong any good player wants rf back

[round field]

Trees were always a bit on the spectrum tbh

[quiet birch]

Definitely noticing much less moonfiring from trees happening this expansion.

big if true very bad for our cleave help bug report if you see it pls

[royal zenith]

cleave

[round field]

Isnt moonfire like

Not even that important anymore

[livid jay]

idk bro i just press maul raze trash or some shit

[round field]

Understandable

[twin lotus]

Shooting stars are important so moonfire is important

[quiet birch]

at most its a free 12 moonfires

you like 12 moonfires trust me

[round field]

I dont like this at all tbh

[quiet birch]

but im noticing like 4-7 or something after their duration if i dont cast any. obviously theyre not supposed to be giga smart so they re moonfire stuff anyway but its definitely too low compared to last expac.

[royal zenith]

it all sounds kinda sus

[round field]

Time to bin the boomkin

[royal zenith]

cause we didn't play kotg in m+ last tier

[round field]

Wrong

I did

[royal zenith]

targeting might be fucked though, can be right about that

[livid jay]

do we now?

been playing ec mostly, felt better for me

[royal zenith]

we don't fully know

still very much vibe gaming

[livid jay]

yea

[royal zenith]

I want to try some weird cook with manual shrooms and meteorites though

but it's m0 so who cares

[royal zenith]

and to get back to this

you'd have 12 moonfires up if packs last long enough

it -used- to be 6 seconds or longer, else not prio

in current m0 there's hardly any situation where you have time to moonfire everything

[quiet birch]

ye its just nice to have the free ones

and 2-3 target extended stuff its messing shit up

[round field]

this patch just smells lowkey

[quiet birch]

i was testing on 2 targets and if i get unlucky and all 3 treants target same guy, it wasn't twin moons hitting the 2nd target

like it should be

like i shouldnt have to worry about that at all

[round field]

go back to 2 year release cycle and actually ship a finished product methinks

[livid jay]

its funny how little there is to do now

this week literally just m0 worldtour and two hard preys per char

which is good

can play poe

[sudden flame]

feels so werid that we will have heroic raid next week but no m+

[livid jay]

yes that part is very cursed

[jolly delta]

what were they even doing all this time

80% of the expac is either recycled cut content or old zones

[round field]

Its great

[pallid bay]

https://klipy.com/gifs/poe-path-of-exile-1

[livid jay]

what u playing

[pallid bay]

ele hit ofc

[livid jay]

ah the fubgooner

[pallid bay]

the cat..

[livid jay]

oh real ele hit

[pallid bay]

isnt fub playing bow or some shit

[livid jay]

not spectrum

yee

i was on vacation until yesterday

could only get through act 5 so far xD

but the kf ballista is ramping up now rest of campaign probably gonna be mega fast

[pallid bay]

[proper jungle]

the ferals are not helping. Can a boomer let me know how to get to voidstorm without a portal?

[jaunty blaze]

You cant?

Idk

[jolly delta]

wym without a portal

[jaunty blaze]

It's the only way there

Afaik

[jolly delta]

if its your first time leveling then you need to do the quest

if you have an alt the portal should be open

[proper jungle]

This happens every xpac. How many people actually go to the new areas and have to port back before completing?

[jaunty blaze]

But it should always be there once you got send there

[proper jungle]

Just me again then

[jolly delta]

wym

[proper jungle]

no portals in silvermoon.

I mean what i say

[jolly delta]

if you went to the new area then you opened the portal

no?

[proper jungle]

no

[jolly delta]

are you in the correct area?

[royal zenith]

did you do the intro quest shit on alt

etc.

[royal zenith]

was unlocked for my alt at least

[proper jungle]

it's not where all the guides say it is and ive seen people sit there then dissapear so i know im at the right place

[jolly delta]

but also

wait

uhh

maybe the quest related portal is not in the same zone?

[proper jungle]

i mean why would it be?

[jolly delta]

I don't remember tbh but maybe until you progress with the quest then there's the temporary one

idk if its the same one or not

i.e. for harandar

[proper jungle]

I guess i'll just drop it

[jolly delta]

it got moved to silvermoon only in the end

but ye, just drop and take the quest again ig

[proper jungle]

I went there at 88 and the mobs were pretty hard so i ported back. Now in this predic

Righto cheers all

[jaunty blaze]

There is one voidstorm portal in harandar aswell

Maybe see if it's there

[royal zenith]

did you actually finish campaign though

[jolly delta]

No he said he was doing it and then had to port back

[royal zenith]

the only thing I had issues with, is wanting to move too fast

and the next quest would not pop up on the same npc, before moving

: )

[latent wagon]

hey on the dreamgrove website there is no sections explaining each of the m+ talent builds. which build should you be using in m+ -- keeper of the grove m+, elune's chosen m+ or elune's chosen prio. thanks

or can you explain the benefits for each one

[royal zenith]

KOTG M+ / EC M+ are generic M+ builds

prio is for more prio damage

that's basically it

for why EC versus KOTG: https://www.dreamgrove.gg/blog/balance/compendium#talent-explanations

not sure how up to date it is

but should be fine "Updated: 11th of March, 2026"

the EC versus KOTG mentions old tierset, so bit outdated

[jolly delta]

The dreamgrove website is also not yet updated for midnight

[royal zenith]

okay and

[jolly delta]

News, opener and ST rotation aren't completely wrong

But I wouldnt use dg.gg at the moment

[royal zenith]

fix your shit vinter!!

am just kidding obv

[jolly delta]

fixing....

[royal zenith]

like 70% of that explanation still applies

for kotg versus ec

so it's not that bad

[round field]

never have we had bigger slackers

smh

should be like ellesmere

work 20 hours per day on it

sleep for 3

[royal zenith]

there's hardly any info to properly communicate

iqni stfu!!

[round field]

make me bitch

!!!

[royal zenith]

[jolly delta]

I'm moving houses!!!!

and gamz gets paid to write wowhead

maybe we should paywall dg, that way it will be updated day 1

thoughts

[royal zenith]

I don't know if you can hold up to that promise

also what's your definition of day 1

so many questions!

[jolly delta]

Depends on how many people will pay

[jolly delta]

Depends on how many people will pay

[round field]

judging by the last time dg tried to be monetized

about 0'

[royal zenith]

pretty design is only 20%

where's the CONTENT

[round field]

ye bro

tell me how to play my spec

can be a white page with only text for all i care

[jolly delta]

thats literally the part that takes time

havent touched the design in months

[round field]

all i hear are excuses

[jolly delta]

(havent touched the APL in months either but thats a different story)

[quiet birch]

fellow boomchickens I see that stat weight sim is considered unreliable, I just want to get a general idea of the relative value of int vs. secondaries. mostly concerned with int vs mastery.

thoughts?

just as a very rough general estimate. i do see this looks wrong since crit is higher than mast XD

but like how good is primary vs secondary

[jolly delta]

you answered yourself in your message

stat weight sim is considered unreliable

[round field]

"stat weights are unreliable"

[jolly delta]

theres no such estimate to make

[round field]

int is pretty good tho

[quiet birch]

is therea way to find out. like is it double, triple, quadruple?

[round field]

i mean

[jolly delta]

Is there a reason to care?

[quiet birch]

there has to be a general rule...

[round field]

its an estimate

not rly

stats change when you get more stats

[jolly delta]

Sure, that estimate looks correct. Somewhere between in the ballpark of 2x to 5x

[quiet birch]

but it surely cant change that much

[round field]

oh it absolutely can

[jolly delta]

What is the reason for asking?

[quiet birch]

cringe game i needa go back to classic

[round field]

is it tho

[quiet birch]

the reason is i cant run accurate sims for pvp. to find out best chants/embellishments

[round field]

loot gear /simc copy paste into topgear check if + or minus

[quiet birch]

yes thats right, ive tricked you into helping me with pvp

[round field]

idk

isnt pvp just

get vers

[quiet birch]

no me want more dmg

[round field]

pvpers always go off vibes

[jolly delta]

idk about pvp but what prevents you from simming?

[royal zenith]

there are general rules yes

but it's wrong to think that way...

do you want to progress or go back in time

pick your poison

[quiet birch]

ability scaling is wildly different in pvp. dots are buffed a lot and starfall is nerfed a lot, and i dont even know the multipliers

[round field]

just dont play pvp tbh

only solution

[jolly delta]

ye didnt know

[quiet birch]

but im too goated

[jolly delta]

well, unforch

do it like we did it in the old times

[round field]

the thing is

[royal zenith]

(balance druid always wants mastery)

[quiet birch]

i dont like vibes i like to sim but ye

[round field]

most people just dont care about pvp

neither does blizzard

[jolly delta]

get some gear, play some games, swap gear, compare

[quiet birch]

cant sim pvp

[round field]

wow pvp is unironically some of the last fun content ive ever played in any video game

[quiet birch]

so many variables in pvp and the chants/embellishes are pretty close in value so its impossible to tell unless i did a huge sample of games or something

[jolly delta]

If they're close then it doesnt matter right?

[fair quartz]

Why /cancelaura starlord doesnt work anymore? 😮 and also why eclipse removes starlord? is it a bug or?

[jolly delta]

Surely skill cancels any kind of advantage?

[round field]

no its intended

[jolly delta]

Read eclipse

Also starlord can't be cancelled anymore

[round field]

cancelaura starlord is cringe so blizz removed it

[quiet birch]

same answer for PvE as PvP. skill matters more but you always chase small gains

[jolly delta]

I disagree

[quiet birch]

best PvErs sim every piece of gear for small gains do they not

[jolly delta]

Or rather, I agree but

[fair quartz]

I dont think its cringe but okay

😛

[jolly delta]

Clearly the variance in pvp is so big

[round field]

its okay to be wrong

[jolly delta]

Compared to pve

[fair quartz]

What was so cringe about it?

[jolly delta]

SImming in pve makes sense just because boss patterns are mostly the same

[fair quartz]

I dont see the cringy part in it

[round field]

everything

[fair quartz]

So you just didnt wanna deal with it , thats the reason or? 😄

[jolly delta]

Anyways, that said I understand what you mean and I guess you're out of luck

[round field]

canceling a buff like that is not fun gameplay

its just poor design

[jolly delta]

Until you find someone that cares enough to do tc

and create you some simc rules to sim pvp

[fair quartz]

So you just didnt wanna play it like that, its okay

[round field]

i did play it

[jolly delta]

Sure it's also cringe

[round field]

even when it wasnt a dps gain

cause entering eclipse with like

4 seconds of starlord is shit

[quiet birch]

the variance is more but the small differences do exist and have consequences

[round field]

but canceling it is also shit

[quiet birch]

just hard to see

why did you say "read eclipse" when he ask about starlord it doesnt say it cancels starlord

i didnt even know that damn

[round field]

starlord says that i think

not eclipse

[quiet birch]

oh i see yeah

[jolly delta]

Ye

sorry

got confused

[royal zenith]

it's just extremely bad design if you have to cancel an aura

[round field]

^

[jolly delta]

And clearly not intended

[round field]

The changes just make it line up natty with eclipse

So it doesnt feel bad

That buff felt like complete dogshit ever since whirling got added

[potent cargo]

cancel aura starlord was so toxic

[twin lotus]

I didnt mind starlord a lot but yes the cancel was a bit bad, it could probably be handled as up to 3 stacks where each stack has its own duration

[potent cargo]

personally, I wish it was just a buff that you kept up perma

rather than having to rebuild, but if it was just a maintenance thing it might as well be baseline bc it'd always be 100% uptime

and spec needs a bit of interactivity ig

[round field]

nah theyre activly fighting against that tbh

[potent cargo]

just seems weird sometimes to have both boat and starlord work around the idea of dumping asp at the start of eclipse

[round field]

ever since the rattle rework

[fair quartz]

ngl i liked it how it used to be

[twin lotus]

having to uptime it would be annoying, especially when you want to pool for cds/trees/eclipses

[potent cargo]

oh man

i forgot the og rattle

[royal zenith]

the rebuilding stacks is proper ass

[potent cargo]

how fucking cooked was that

[twin lotus]

what was the og rattle?

[potent cargo]

nah just like press 1 spender every 30s

[twin lotus]

yeah every 30 would be nice but defeats the purpose 😛

[potent cargo]

og rattle was like... 2 stack buff shortish duration

[round field]

stacking surge cost and dmg

refreshed when you spend

[potent cargo]

was so fkn annoying on movement bosses

[twin lotus]

oh I member

[potent cargo]

caused a lot of deaths trying to eek out a cast bc it would keep your rattle time high

[round field]

skill issue tbh

[potent cargo]

smh

[round field]

[royal zenith]

maybe buffs that are tied to spenders just feel ass

now that I think bout it

[round field]

this spec just needs jesus tbh

[royal zenith]

cause you want to be doing damage with them, not spend them to finally do damage after 2/3 spends

[round field]

nuke eclipse and rework spec from the ground up

like survival / combat tier rework scale

[potent cargo]

it was very like

counter intuitive back then

want to save all asp for triple surge in boat window

but u dont want to drop ur rattle or ur starlord

[round field]

Ye its so dumb

[potent cargo]

more effort than it was worth especially if boomy was in the bin damage wise

[round field]

You have boat you wanna play around

And then like

5 talents with anti sinergy

[potent cargo]

thats when you spec feral

[round field]

ive done that before

[potent cargo]

more dps not as much effort just tf ur dots and move on

[round field]

i was blasting amirdrassil

(when i was alive)

(not very often melee bad)

[trail stone]

Hey guys, i saw some videos telling to dot w moon fire only 6 adds and fire 4 adds its right ? Or just dot all the adds ?

[round field]

uhm

what video is that

so i can uh

investigate

[tacit oriole]

Yeah that sounds fucked

You want to moonfire everything while tank is gathering and then once they are all stacked, you sunfire

[potent cargo]

pls link the video

[visual grove]

Hey guys, I'm new here. I was wondering if Balance Druid is going to be viable for raids this season. Could anyone give me some insight?

[jaunty blaze]

Everything is viable

Whether it will be good or not is a different question

[visual grove]

About it actually being good, do you have any thoughts on how Balance will perform this season? Personally, I’m not sure I like the change of making Eclipse a castable ability, since it feels like we can easily end up without it for several seconds while it’s on cooldown.

[jaunty blaze]

Gameplay won't change so if you don't like it now maybe look for something else

Performance will depend on tuning after heroic week

As it is rn it's close to the bottom in terms of st dmg

Aoe is decent but it remains to be seen how we can apply the damage in fights

[visual grove]

Thanks, friend. I got a clearer view of the state of the class.

[trail stone]

Is it in pt-br

[round field]

its basically impossible to tell

mby blizzard will just wake up one reset and decide to buff it to the point you bring 3

or will stay to rot at the bottom

(more likely based on the past)

[trail stone]

https://youtu.be/Nqwxu62Nsmc?si=dI9Xaa8PATRANDsM

6:26

If u want try translate

[dull dust]

looks good to me

[trail stone]

I always dot all the adds but this guy tell to dot 6-4 and idk now

[visual grove]

I think it’s unlikely that will happen, but I hope they at least give it the proper attention, even if it’s just to its single-target damage

[dull dust]

can u really question a man with orbs that big

[fossil hemlock]

Is this a 6-7 moonkin

[potent cargo]

hes wrong

[round field]

im just gonna be honest

[potent cargo]

he has like 200 vids all just slop

[round field]

if a person has a guide for every single spec in the game

[potent cargo]

probably every single one of them wrong

[round field]

they definitely dont know anything about any of them

[trail stone]

2 orbs* 👀

[potent cargo]

i was gonna say

this is some

bellular gaming bullshit

[round field]

marcelian online

[potent cargo]

i think that was the idiot making guide vids with 0 idea

[trail stone]

Kk

Ty

[potent cargo]

use wowhead guide

its not in portugese

[dull dust]

i wish i had the confidence of some people

[potent cargo]

but u can just use ai to translate if u need prolly

but ya dot everything

[dull dust]

just vibe some stuff and preach it

[potent cargo]

no reason not to

[trail stone]

Ty

🤝

[round field]

i mean

this guy doesnt even play the game tbh

[vale pebble]

that guy at least researched

(not too well but alas at least he did)

[potent cargo]

fuk bro what a weapon

[edgy quarry]

My raid leader ask us to not use our spark

However craft a two hands weapon could be a huge advantage… what guys do you think about that ?

[potent cargo]

G R E E N

[potent cargo]

why would u craft?

[edgy quarry]

To gain stat ? A weapon is huge am I wrong ?

[potent cargo]

ok so what happens when you loot a weapon

first week

(idk what loot system u guys use)

[lofty depot]

Read the pin

[potent cargo]

tl;dr there's no benefit to crafting rn

no point crafting until mythic week anyway

[edgy quarry]

Rc loot, they control the loot and we do one split

[potent cargo]

see what you get from caches, m+ spam a lil bit, first night of mythic maybe first 4 bosses die fast and u can get a wep

maybe 3 weps drop etc idk

[glossy jungle]

need 4 sparks to craft a 2h anyway

[potent cargo]

like ye weapon is probs what you craft anyway, it is best for prog

but it's just not an immediate thing

see where the chips fall and then you make an informed decision

counter argument ig might as well just craft wep bc ur guild would be insane to give boomy a weapon over anyone else

better off giving healer a weapon than boomy

[edgy quarry]

Yeah you’re right I’m dumb 🤦‍♂️

[round field]

the play is to craft a 2h agi staff and throw away all ur sparks

[edgy quarry]

For sure that’s why I was wondering to craft but anyway it’s too soon you are right

[potent cargo]

but ye its prob wep

probs what im doin

but fk knows

[edgy quarry]

Yeah me too now but probably before mythic

[edgy quarry]

Too many thing to come and adjustment

Urgent to wait

😅

[lofty depot]

If u need eclipse at a certain time u would've just held a charge for that time frame

Ur not just mindlessly sending CDs then next pull like "hmmm I needed CDs here I'm just not gonna change what I'm doing"

Changing eclipse to castable..... Yea because casting 2 starfires wasn't casting

[livid jay]

thinking about it as "changing eclipse to castable" is a bit bad since you dont really treat it as you did eclipse but more like an extra cooldown button

[lofty depot]

Classes will always be viable outside of top 50, u can do more damage than your guildies by playing better.

[lofty depot]

I've come to terms with people having an extra CD and thinking it's harder than it is

Imagine we play foe and shrooms in multiple fights

[livid jay]

unimaginable

too many buttons for the boomkin dev

they wont let it go through

[lofty depot]

Foe opener fun

More asp, pew pew

[lofty depot]

I think u craft before heroic raid but idk RL sounds funny

Would depend on embell sim, but crest saves are fun

[royal zenith]

why did you share my logs

[round field]

misclick sorry

[royal zenith]

the world is a cruel place

[round field]

ur just a noob tbh

[edgy quarry]

We will do heroic fisrt week

He wants us to craft https://www.wowhead.com/item=240166/arcanoweave-lining with 246 ilvl stuff on both character which use no spark

[lofty depot]

Well he can want what he wants, that doesn't mean it sims the best

[edgy quarry]

Yeah I know 🥲

That's one of the purpose of my initial question to see if he's wrong or not

[lofty depot]

Well I would just show him a sim of it

[royal zenith]

Without noobs there are no blasters

[candid fox]

what sim version is the best one to use? Nightly?

[sudden flame]

latest

[royal zenith]

The world needs balance

[lofty depot]

Latest, unless told otherwise

Also, idk that I'll craft 2 246s

[edgy quarry]

Maybe u right.. I will do some before the raid and show him

I've to think about it

Before the raid will we have 4 parks ?

[lofty depot]

Ye

[edgy quarry]

So we will be able to craft weapon... I will do sim and show him u right

Thanks man

[lofty depot]

Having a high lvl weapon is the first and best thing to do

[last breach]

Vessel of Tortured Souls
just got this trinket, is there a way, now weak auras no longer exist, to track it e.g. make a sound when it procs to make me aware, tested in open world and the orbs it spawns are almost impossible to notice if u dont get some sort of reminder

[lofty depot]

Assuming if u track the trinket it only tracks the buff when u run over an orb. I doubt there's an addon that notifies you orbs spawn

[edgy quarry]

Just talk to him he is not against I just will do some sim !

[lofty depot]

They seem to not like easy access information

[lofty depot]

U would likly wear 1 arcanoweave item and then a weapon with Hunt on it

If u have veteran items u would craft 1 246 and then upgrade orhers

Also depends on ur will to do daily m0s heroic week

[fair quartz]

Season max for sparks is 2 rn ye?

One of my friends told he has 3 already, like how the f thats possible

[grim mirage]

2 sparks last week
1 spark this week

[lofty depot]

The sparks we have now aren't halves

But 2h weapon also takes 4

Rather than 2

[fair quartz]

Fk well i missed that then

[lofty depot]

If u missed 1 u either didn't do the world soul quest in which case u still can do it

[fair quartz]

Oh yeah! I didnt

Thanks, i forgot all about it, its still in my quest log

[lofty depot]

Smh

Do ur quest silly

[fair quartz]

🤣

Sorry sir..

[lofty depot]

Gonna fall behind and get benched

[fair quartz]

Never

[lofty depot]

Yehuh

[livid jay]

already on bench?

[upper anvil]

can you have 2 of the same embellishment on crafted gear now or is it still 1 of each

[livid jay]

me when i tell my RL im bringing my guardian dps spec

[lofty depot]

U could craft 2 before

[lucid olive]

Yeah I can't think of any embellishment that's been limited to 1

Except for embellished unique items

[grim mirage]

What are the odds for lots of boomies to craft 2H weapon early in the season ?

[restive jolt]

99%

depends on the guides being updated but usually a weapon crafted early is huge

[indigo barn]

Yea but if you craft 2h wep you cant switch to feral to actually do dps

[round field]

Just vault weapon

[lofty depot]

Gotta get final grade

Gogogogo

[livid jay]

whats that

[lofty depot]

Staff from algathars

[livid jay]

oh yea

[grim mirage]

So you'd be more don't craft hero week then farm MM+ till that staff drops and craft with myth crest on first mythic week ?

[jaunty blaze]

Rather craft after first m+ vault

[lofty depot]

Uhhhhh, idk I might flip coin

Assumption being u don't actually need the craft, but would be more helpful

[normal pilot]

hm r1 mastery weapon enchant is bugged and giving combined r1+r2 value maybe this will save balance

[grim mirage]

There is no 2H hero loot first week if i'm correct so best loot would be from MM0 or craft

[grim mirage]

After that week either biggest upgrade is crafted myth staff
Or hero loot from MM+ / raid
Or myth 1h crafted + off hand from Vorasius or chimaerus (if this lvl of content is at your reach)

[scarlet tapir]

https://www.reddit.com/r/CompetitiveWoW/comments/1rq2exq/comment/o9r7xa7/

@jolly delta u good bro?

u changed

[royal zenith]

he's a ux designer now

ascending

[scarlet tapir]

vinter used to be my friend

[royal zenith]

I think this is a very based response though

GDPR not a joke...

[dire osprey]

cant wait for the unholy dk to do double the dmg of my 99 parse while parsing a 25

but agree unless tuning is atrocious

[lofty depot]

Please post ur logs so I know ur doing 99s

[quiet drift]

W

[celest rampart]

Does anyone know how many Veteran crests we should have at cap this week, it says season max is 300 but I was some how 20 over cap last week?

[jolly delta]

Privacy advocate

[jolly delta]

perfectly fine thansk for asking

can't wait to do m+ with my friend twist soon

my group is missing a tank

[scarlet tapir]

i can tank as rogue or mage if uw ant

[tight cypress]

Hey there, so im still in the process of leveling my balance druid. About 88 atm and i was looking at the guide on wowhead for a talent build, and it seems like apart from the usual raid, m+ and delve there are also options between keeper of the grove and elunes chosen? Im just looking for a good all purpose build, do any of you have some pointers for me?

[lofty depot]

1. Casting starfire open world sounds cringe
2. Likely use the delve build if u want something, taunt trees stuff
3. Or press n and play bear

[drifting nova]

yeah bear levelling is god

goes for most dps specs that can hybrid tbf

tanks in general

mobs hit way too hard

[honest rapids]

I leveled as Bear and you just destroy quests without fear of death. Nearly brainless to level as bear and just not think about your 4 buttons.

[merry egret]

On a pull, after my first Incarnation ends, should I be hitting Eclipse to get that CD rolling, or should I go straight into my second charge of Incarnation?

[lofty depot]

U don't care/incarn without other CDs... Ie trees or foe

So in keeper, u would eclipse after CA ends yes

[tight cypress]

So you'd recommend the delve build with chosen of elune?

[lofty depot]

No I recommend u pressing n and playing bear

But if u must..... Delve build with keeper

[tight cypress]

I generally like leveling as my round lazerowl

Though on that note i should also check out the actual differences for chosen of elune and keeper

[jolly delta]

rate mage ui

[scarlet tapir]

ass

[jolly delta]

🫃

[cedar seal]

what is the addon on the bottom ? 😮

[jolly delta]

XIV_Databar Continued

[lucid olive]

the CDM looks terrible

default rounded corners

[lofty depot]

And or that black boarder looks like ass

[jolly delta]

what did he mean by this

[jolly delta]

its the default one cba

[lofty depot]

It's like 2 pixels and ugly

Or it just looks like that cuz mobile

[jolly delta]

idkk what you're talking about

[lucid olive]

try ayijecdm

more freedom over how buff bars and the icons look

[lofty depot]

THE FUCKING BOARDER ON THE CDM

[scarlet tapir]

literally just install bettercdm

[lucid olive]

ew

[scarlet tapir]

ayijecdm not even closed to finished

[lucid olive]

still a lot more features

[scarlet tapir]

my buffs overlap my cast bar

even if i change

no supercharged cp on rogue

[lucid olive]

?

update almost a week old

💀

[scarlet tapir]

is that on atrocity ui or the addon

[lucid olive]

the addon

[scarlet tapir]

ive updated still dont see it

actually hmmm

probably not updated

since ayije_cdm doesnt autoupdate for some reason

[lucid olive]

its on curseforge now as well

so can use wowup to update it

can also make infinite Buff Groups and place each buff wherever tf you want

but limited to the buffs tracked in default CDM

[scarlet tapir]

yea i still have the aui release version

most likely

not the new curseforge one

[lucid olive]

also peep the GMOTD

[jolly delta]

thanks blizzard for making addons better 🙏

you really saved addons 🙏

[drifting nova]

whatd they do

[jolly delta]

they tried to simplify addons

[drifting nova]

big

[jolly delta]

now I need 4 addons to the same shit as before in a worse way

[drifting nova]

still need to sort out my cdm

but I really cba

just want a big eclipse, thats it

all I had before

[placid olive]

Yo drop the profile export! Looks too clean to keep to yourself man

[lucid olive]

planning to have all of em available as ui pack on wago eventually but i can DM you the strings sure

[placid olive]

Appreciate you big dog, I just installed it and the yellow cast bar alone makes me wanna rope

[lofty depot]

Bcdm string is on his wago already

Bcdm >

Until I change to elles or ayije

[tender elbow]

can u send me this version as well? I will call it Gamz 2.0 😄

[vernal prism]

Hello fellow owls, what specs are your plan B in case balance wont make it this season ? 😄

[maiden pasture]

Bro copied atrocity homework and he's gonna just make em public gg

[lucid olive]

what homework

[fiery kindle]

xD

[lofty depot]

It'll be fine like every other season

[upper anvil]

Do it no balls

[jolly delta]

this is kinda ass

but

can someone tell me why would I use a cooldown manager

instead of my action bar

[lucid olive]

action bar stinky

[jolly delta]

how

why

literally way more control

can easily add w/e I want

can have them fade when I want

and not just in-combat/out-of-combat

[brave gulch]

they dont look the same as cdm

[lucid olive]

ugly big stink

[brave gulch]

action bar buttons have borders + the key they are bound to in the corner

just not a good look

[jolly delta]

with elvui you can remove that

[brave gulch]

I guess so but if im getting an addon anyway I might as well get a cdm addon

[jolly delta]

why

im using elvui for other stuff already

[brave gulch]

because I will inevitably need one for buffs, cdm isnt just buttons

[jolly delta]

sorry, it wasnt a why for you

it was a generic one

[lucid olive]

action bars dont do pandemic or

[lilac citrus]

will primary stats food be better atm or secondary stats ?

[lucid olive]

one of those for sure

which one probably comes down to your character

the difference between them is negligible anyway so can just pick one and stick with it

[lilac citrus]

should be kinda close together

[lucid olive]

personally i will be eating whatever food buff my officer puts down at raid start

[jolly delta]

ok yes

that answers my question

[lilac citrus]

fair play i wanna prepare the feats but not sure what will be better yet 😛

[lucid olive]

action bars don't reflect any combat state thing

which the cdm can

and addons can do with the cdm (intrusively)

[jolly delta]

idk why is everything so ass

[jolly delta]

neither does cdm for resto apparently

[lucid olive]

yeah its ass

[maiden pasture]

Yeah I had to make a weakaura

For lifebloom

Now it chomps at me whenever it's in pandemic

[lucid olive]

clever

i just went with a desaturated lifebloom icon right above my cdm to see if it was down

[maiden pasture]

Healers low-key winning cause they get to have weakauras for their heals still

Temporary ofc

[jolly delta]

i just know it's 4s so w/e

but still it's ass!!!!

literally why tf is there a pandemic option in the CDM

and it doesnt work

[maiden pasture]

It also loops "bam" if I'm in combat and lifebloom is not up

[lucid olive]

blizzard has to manually add the pandemic for each spell innit

pandemic for sunfire/moonfire was also bugged for most of beta

[maiden pasture]

How does this work with dot extensions

[lucid olive]

and it was bugged because of dot extension lmao

on the CDM now Sunfire/Moonfire work like they should more or less

on beta they would start glowing red at like 20 seconds if you had extended it enough

cause the pandemic is 30% of duration, but the duration kept going infinite since you were extending

even though the duration caps out at 28 or whatever with AK

[steel axle]

Why spending touch the cosmos procs in ST using Starfall? Am I missing something here?

[lucid olive]

Starfall good

procs Starweaver

Meteorites is also a single-target talent that overall buffs Starfall damage

(but Meteorites might be bait in raid this tier)

[steel axle]

Ohh I see, thanks for the info 🙂

[lucid olive]

The whole rotation is just about getting as many Starweaver and Touch the Cosmos procs as possible

and spending as many as possible inside Eclipse or CA/Incarn

[jolly delta]

why cant i fade when no target AND when out of combat

[lucid olive]

?

[jolly delta]

yeah now press no target

[lucid olive]

lol

who knows

fading is cringe anyway

[jolly delta]

why would I care about my CDs if im in silvermoon

[lucid olive]

why not

I did make a bar in weakauras to track Soothe, Innervate and Dispel and show only when they're on CD

cause no other addon could do that apparently

[edgy quarry]

I talked with the second RL in charge of stuff etc, he said that it could be a bad investiment to craft before March 24 cause :

• Of buff and nerf by Blizzard
• Embellish -> He said that 2 embellish could be better than a craft which use 4 sparks and force u to keep 246 stuff to keep the 2 embellish
  So in his point of view -> drop a hero weapon in MM+ and use sparks for other craft with embellish.

So I'm wondering if 2 embellish is better than 10 ilvl for the weapon
I'm not sure about how good are these embelish for midnight they were not that good if we not say optionnal at TWW

[lucid olive]

you can still have 2 embellishments with crafting a staff, but the embellishment that's not on the weapon will just be lower ilvl

or you can craft 2 embellishments on like wrists/belt but that kinda hinges on you proccing a good weapon in vault or from myhtic raid or you're gonna end up behind after like 2-3 weeks

[lofty depot]

U can make the 2 embell and 1 being weapon. Crafted a weapon regardless of if it has embell on it or not, should be better

U can also craft said weapon without it

If ur really concerned and then fix it after.

[nimble tangle]

what you can now 2 layers buff bar?

[edgy quarry]

Yeah but it's a risky strategy cause I count on my luck xD Which is really really risky 😂

[lofty depot]

It's not tbf

[lucid olive]

idk, i didn't craft a weapon early in Manaforge and i killed Dimensius with a hero track weapon 🙃

[lofty depot]

I crafted 2h

I've actually never gotten a weapon week 1 of vault

I've always crafted 2h because of it

[edgy quarry]

I agree with u ! When I told him that he said yes but I will keep a 246 ivl stuff for the second embellish without be able to craft something else cause I would use all my sparks

But I'm convinced that it worth it anyway -> And i will craft a weapon at the end anyway..

[lucid olive]

you're also competing for weapons in raid if your whole team is crafting regular armor pieces

[lofty depot]

That's not a problem

[edgy quarry]

U see !! too risky...

[lofty depot]

We've kept bracer as hero track for multiple weeks

[smoky hollow]

Does casting starfall in the BOAT window matter? Or am I better off casting other spells during BOAT

[lucid olive]

you'll also have your 2nd or 3rd spark craft when the last raid opens

[lofty depot]

U don't really worry about boat window

[lucid olive]

BOAT doesn't really affect your rotation

[lofty depot]

Press buttons in prio order like normal.

[lucid olive]

you want to spend your 3 buffed spenders from the apex talent when you enter Eclipse/CA/Incarn

making sure to do that just counts for both BOAT and Starlord

[eager raft]

I think a myth weapon would have been better to use personally

[edgy quarry]

U sure about that ? cause If I use my 4 sparks. on 17 then on 24 i will got juste one ?

[edgy quarry]

True !

[lofty depot]

1 doesn't let u craft anything

U need 2

[edgy quarry]

I'm glad we have the same point of view x) I will talk with him again and craft this 2h

[lofty depot]

And the next raid opens 2 weeks from the other... So the last 2 bosses u'll have a craft but u likely won't use

[smoky hollow]

I haven't played for a while and come from a time where it was suggested you save all your AP for the BOAT window, and then used as little AP as possible until your next BOAT window 🥲

[lucid olive]

The last raid opens 31st

[lofty depot]

We still naturally do that

[eager raft]

That just happens natty

[edgy quarry]

Oh yeah you right mb !! So I will be able to craft again !

[lofty depot]

But u still would pres starfall if u proced it during the boat window

[edgy quarry]

For sure it's better to craft

I will try to do some sim to convince him this week

[lucid olive]

yeah, at least the base Spark item, but you're likely to probably spend those crests elsewhere on higher stat budget slots

[eager raft]

You just have more agency to pool asp for boat while also being able to spend more asp in eclipse with the new system

[limpid kernel]

hey, damage calculation spec: starsurge land damage is calculated based on projectile launch(cast finished) or projectile hit? when I have 0.2sec eclipse left is it worth casting last surge or pool resources already?

[edgy quarry]

True !

[eager raft]

Launch

End of cast

[lucid olive]

damage is calculated on cast finish

[lofty depot]

Upgrading embell items especially on bracer, cloak boots is giga shit

The items have low stat values

[limpid kernel]

ok, tyvm

[smoky hollow]

Ah, ty ty everyone 🤍

[lofty depot]

Which is the reason crafted bracer was fine cuz we wanted the embell

Used crests on better slots

[edgy quarry]

Got it I keep it in mind !

And on 17 March i Will craft 2h

[eager raft]

With no enchanted crests anymore I wonder if we get anything similar or equivalent to the heroic enchanted crests we’d get from finishing the campaign last expac

Cuz that was usually just the designated bracer craft crest

[lucid olive]

i think Tettles talked about it in a video but idk if he was just guessing

[edgy quarry]

Thanks a lot read the pin and Gamz !!

[eager raft]

They theoretically could just give us the crests without them counting towards the cap

[lofty depot]

Mages often make really shitty crafting decisions cuz they all make OH

I prefer crest saves

[edgy quarry]

In crafting 2h ok got u !

[lofty depot]

Yea cuz it costs 80..... OH is 1/3 of the stats then ur spending. 160 on those 2 slots

I was likely crafting 1 embell on bracer/boots and then 2h with assuming first mythic crests recrafted the staff

[tacit oriole]

So we are just saving for 2h craft like the beginning of every new season? Gary can I get a mhmm mhmm mhmm?

[lofty depot]

U should be saving til then yes

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/891006249565552650/1473799372910104880/peanut_mm_hmm.gif?ex=69b28ce0&is=69b13b60&hm=cf87b5db9688a33c27331f6f6ec54eb8d3e2a2420fda092df8c21cc1b32abc9b&

[edgy quarry]

I see.. I will keep it in mind !

[slim crater]

Staring at some of the new embellished crafts, has anyone had the chance to sim hexwoven strand vs world tree rootwraps?

[tacit oriole]

My 🐐

[lofty depot]

I don't know what those do... I'll assume they're both shit and u shouldnt use those

[vital hound]

use your sparks this week

https://tenor.com/q3dV.gif

[lofty depot]

It seems like it's weapon embell (hunt) + arcanoweave

[drifting nova]

wtf is a spark

[slim crater]

Well shit. Guess i wasted some currency on the plans for the rootwraps lol

[lofty depot]

What I get when I meet up with ur mom

[lone root]

savage

[vital hound]

dn

[drifting nova]

oh you a leccy?

[lofty depot]

Yeayea

[lofty depot]

Idk maybe other roles use?

Arcanoweave simmy good

[slim crater]

rootwraps give 115 of highest secondary by picking up orb, lasting 15 seconds. Hexwoven does stacking nature damage that jumps every time it does damage

[lofty depot]

We usually like stats

So the proc is dead usually

[jolly delta]

@lucid olive

[lofty depot]

Or. Would have to outsimm the other

[jolly delta]

how do I move utility

[slim crater]

Fair. So if i dont go for weapon this week, its boots.

[lofty depot]

But much like the loom trinket last tier, we stopped using cuz orbs hard

[jolly delta]

its literally not any of the groups

tfw baited by gamz once again

[lofty depot]

U don't craft 1h usually

[jolly delta]

im never trusting him again

[lofty depot]

Generally craft 2h or OH

[pseudo merlin]

🙂

[jolly delta]

teemu ahh cooldown manager

[blazing goblet]

is it only me or balance druid totally sucks now with this eclipse play

[jolly delta]

i swear to god why is every addon halfassed

[drifting nova]

pick your fighter

blizzard will brick addons that get too good

and/or blizzard restricts too much info

or somewhere in the middle I guess

[normal pilot]

it's partly you. balance sucks now but it's not because of gameplay it's just shit tuned

[blazing goblet]

Hmm my point is this gameplay is not fun at all a if i comapre it to other classes dmg is shit too

[drifting nova]

and the historical fact balance never does well early on

but yes the eclipse change is balls

[normal pilot]

how is this not fun

[drifting nova]

2 real changes is zz

[normal pilot]

it's just shit tuned gameplay is just better with less hard casting time

[lofty depot]

U and all the frogs

It doesn't suck to play tho

[normal pilot]

sometimes ppl say 'i don't care about tuning just good gameplay' then you get situations like this

gameplay doesn't matter it's the tuning

[lofty depot]

Gameplay is sick

Tuning will co.e

[drifting nova]

I'd rather gameplay be better than tuning

tuning only hides bad gameplay

[lofty depot]

Look at balance last tier when we got buffed

We were like top 8

[nimble tangle]

what addon can create 2 layers of buffs

[lofty depot]

Ayjie

[pseudo merlin]

That's not so much a point as it is just your opinion

Which you're welcome to have

[pseudo merlin]

How'd feral happen then

[lofty depot]

What part isn't fun

[pseudo merlin]

That's all tuning rn

[jolly delta]

dont fall for the bait

[drifting nova]

mastery and eclipse being a half button being the only changes

[pseudo merlin]

😩

[drifting nova]

[lofty depot]

Weaver interacts with hail

[drifting nova]

ima pretend I know what that is

the apex talent is GIGA ZZZ

but I guess thats quite a few of them

[lofty depot]

Uhhh, I mean ours gives a free wrath/starfire

[drifting nova]

the more classes I see the more it looks like scrapped hero talents

[lofty depot]

20% inc for spender, smolder Crit big

[drifting nova]

some have truly new things to them

most dont

[lofty depot]

Yea

[drifting nova]

it's the lack of newness that irks me

[lofty depot]

I mean the bolts seem giga piss

AOE they're ass

[drifting nova]

hit for like..8k

I think

last I saw

[lofty depot]

Idk hoe to make them better in aoe

[nimble tangle]

not even on curseforge

[lucid olive]

?

[lofty depot]

Besides like lunar hits all targets moonfires idk

[drifting nova]

some form of proximity idk

was ec lunar not like 140% in tww

or am I high

[lofty depot]

What part

[drifting nova]

the increased dam

hero talent

[lofty depot]

The Starfire?

[drifting nova]

ye

[lofty depot]

Uhhh

Idk have to check

[drifting nova]

its 100 now

and tickles

[vital hound]

[drifting nova]

week too late

seems really common

[vital hound]

gg

[lofty depot]

160%

[jolly delta]

bro who is Ayjie and can you ask him why the utility bar position is not in "positions" like all the other bars

[drifting nova]

dont forget the praxis egg one in the south too

[lofty depot]

Idk if they buffed Starfire natty or not to change it

[drifting nova]

for another mount

[lucid olive]

his discord is linked in the addon

[drifting nova]

I know balance sucks when things die fast

but starfire is cosmetic

[lofty depot]

There's like 100 of them so not gonna check

[vital hound]

i was just doing weekly

idrc about mounts

[drifting nova]

GET THE MOUNT

its just a chest

[vital hound]

i have fire bird

[drifting nova]

loot chest, mount

done

[vital hound]

dont need mount

[lofty depot]

It's might be better than u think now

Meteor storm

Go brrr

[drifting nova]

the exact opposite reason I initially liked ec

for big starfires

now noodles

[lofty depot]

Yea it was at least different

I dislike EC tbf :/

[drifting nova]

last time I recall dots being ..real was like mop

long time ago

couldve just made the apex flurry of piss attacks

[lofty depot]

Tech ically our dots are real

[drifting nova]

goldrinns

bunch of wolf heads fly out

[lofty depot]

But it's because shooting stars is real

[drifting nova]

[lofty depot]

Shooting stars be really real

[drifting nova]

welp time to do prey again

[lofty depot]

What they should love done is removed rattle and add the maintenance buff back as the last apex

That would've been peak

[drifting nova]

target capping smh

[lofty depot]

Hey target cap fine if I blast

[drifting nova]

got a oh in my last m0 yday

..dont have a mh

[lofty depot]

Starfall is target capped 🙂

[tacit oriole]

sounds like gold to me

[drifting nova]

avoidance proc big

[lofty depot]

Wonder if they target capped Starfall if they would buff the dam

Cuz I would rather than in most cases

[drifting nova]

I wish the weeklies actually said the amount of X in the quest

before you pick it up

instead of just complete worldquests or preys

(6 and 3)

are random hunts mixed difficulty?

o nvm..and it costs wtf

[lofty depot]

Uh u can choose har for normal

Yea costs 50 things. U usually get 50-100 a hunt so is w.e.

[drifting nova]

I guess if you want to do more than 4

[vital hound]

@lofty depot im not srolling up

wep plus wrist craft

or belt

[lofty depot]

Yee

[vital hound]

which one

or just

[lofty depot]

Uhh think it's wrist

[vital hound]

whatever you dont get ig

[lofty depot]

Is w.e. u get yea

Jt assume wrists

[vital hound]

lit

ty

love you

[lofty depot]

Weapon is likely the craft cuz like I said crest saves

[vital hound]

yer

[tacit oriole]

You can only get rewards twice a week from Prey right?

[lofty depot]

U can get a 2h heroic depends tho obviously

[lofty depot]

Yea 2, can farm crests

[nimble tangle]

is sim updated by new APL? first time crucible is recommended

[lucid olive]

doesnt have anything to do with APL