balance

[runic kindle]

grok send response, "lol"

[jolly delta]

And this literally just says "ai consumes a lot of water"

Yeah no shit?

[eager raft]

out of curiosity, why would ai need water? It’s not even alive so how does it get thirsty?

[jolly delta]

(I've read the first page, cba reading more, if you have anything specific to quote just do that instead of copypasting random papers thinking they prove your point)

[normal pilot]

it needs training first

[jolly delta]

bro it's ai, its mimicking a human

[normal pilot]

gotta train on drinking water

[jolly delta]

of course it has to pretend to drink

[eager raft]

https://tenor.com/view/ahoklollmao-of-course-ohhhh-oh-that-makes-sense-gif-11896286840118452668

[lofty depot]

Why don't we put the data centers in the ocean, smh

[grim mirage]

Does it mean we should invest in a water ETF since US companies are said to invest 700 billion dollars on AI this year ?

[sudden flame]

how about ai fix some real issues like why ram costs so much now

[normal pilot]

who says its an issue don't be elitist

[jolly delta]

the real issue is that you need so much ram in the first place

because every software sucks ass

[round field]

salt water bad

[grim mirage]

Some alerady are

[lofty depot]

Salt water bad and some already are...

[eager raft]

Ok put it in lakes then?????

[wild dune]

u gotta stop making this comparison

[round field]

you got me

[lucid olive]

take the comparison and flush it down the toilet

[jolly delta]

ok i get it time to fix dreamgrove

[sudden flame]

The real issue is ai companies buying ram that isnt made yet for data centres that dont exist yet for a demand thats not there yet

[eager raft]

https://tenor.com/view/ai-dog-ai-dog-dance-i-left-my-home-gif-18071451606234132793

-1 glass of water

[round field]

he does have a point tho

devs have really been slacking on the optimisation deparment

like take khazan or mhw

the games look like dookie

and run like even bigger dookie

[jolly delta]

maybe now that there's no ram they'll start fixing their shit

[round field]

i wonder if crimson desert will run decent

game looks sick as fuck

and theyre advertised min specs are very low

[lofty depot]

Maybe gamers are the problem and they should get back to the mines

[round field]

bl4 was also a big criminal in the optimisation department

[lofty depot]

Silly rats and their "free time"

[round field]

you say this

but im typing during work hours

just make good games

cant be that hard no?

[sudden flame]

I am skeptical of this game

from all the stuff it does look good

[round field]

oh same

there has to be something terribly wrong

its looking a bit too good to be true

also

can we like

stop pricing games at 80 euros

[royal zenith]

poors dont deserve to play games

[round field]

but it makes no sense

[royal zenith]

well it kinda does

[round field]

AAA game for 80 euro and 15 hr of gameplay

[royal zenith]

who else is paying the salary of devs

[round field]

vs random indie game 80 hr of gameplay for 15 euro

or more

[round field]

just make a better game and sell more copies instead

[normal pilot]

ppl still shill out for studios

[royal zenith]

you're better taking Ashes of Creation as an example

[normal pilot]

you are in a wow discord

[royal zenith]

there's a fuckton of indie gaming companies/publishers out there

that don't make it

[normal pilot]

if there's anything about ppl continuing the pay for brand recognition, this place is it

[round field]

not really tho

aoc was just a straight up scam

[lucid olive]

making video games in 2026 is crazy

[royal zenith]

exactly

if a game is good it will get noticed

shrimple

[round field]

me when x game studio anounces another extraction shooter

[jolly delta]

[normal pilot]

why's resto ahead of guardian

[lofty depot]

Is the planner fixed yet or

[jolly delta]

it goes clockwise

[normal pilot]

is this some eu nonsense

[round field]

you need to be fired

unironically

[round field]

we dont claim him

[royal zenith]

wait

where does your clock start

[normal pilot]

eu is ahead of us so it starts at 10 o'clock

[royal zenith]

technically we use military time in the NL

sooo...

[jolly delta]

tf is military time

[royal zenith]

20:00

[jolly delta]

what about eight makes it military

[royal zenith]

[normal pilot]

are you allowed to use military time in eu i thought you guys didn't have a military

[eager raft]

What makes you say this?

[royal zenith]

cause I have no respect

(c what I did there?)

[round field]

We just call it regular time

U americans are weird connecting time to the military

[royal zenith]

ETA 20:00

[runic kindle]

pls understand when your entire gdp goes to the military

things get weird

[lofty depot]

So u regularly war smh

[runic kindle]

I think its just called 24 hour clock format everywhere else lol

[lofty depot]

Ur entire gdp is a boat we shoot missiles from, locken

[nimble tangle]

Can yall give me a TLDR

[eager raft]

on?

[round field]

Im lowkey surprised america didnt invent a new measurement of time as well

[runic kindle]

america is boat central thats for sure

[nimble tangle]

My brain can’t function on Monday morning

[runic kindle]

biggest most expensive navy

[nimble tangle]

On KOTG

[round field]

Uh ai bad but also ai maybe good and uh water and bombing

[runic kindle]

Okay the brits were using imperial measurement first

thats why its called imperial

[lofty depot]

We invented a new mathematics.... It's called girl math

[runic kindle]

don't pin that on us just cause we still use it

[nimble tangle]

I’m not American (at least my passport says) but I lived in America more than time I lived in home country

[round field]

My condolences

[royal zenith]

--

damnit..

[runic kindle]

the queens inches and feet ok

[round field]

Ehats wrong dunce

[lucid olive]

really glad i wasn't drinking anything when i read this

woulda spit it out

[runic kindle]

the ever incomprehensible distance of a mile

[lofty depot]

Probably got him with the girl math joke

[lucid olive]

a mile is 10 kilometeres

[runic kindle]

(roughly)

not quite lol

[eager raft]

Give or take a few kms

[obtuse jungle]

gamz is capping lmao

[round field]

Uh

[lofty depot]

How many feet are in a mile

[round field]

Thats slightly off

[lofty depot]

5280

[eager raft]

At least 12

[lucid olive]

no

[runic kindle]

I actually don't know the conversion off head but I think its like 1.6 km to a mile

no meme

[round field]

Ye

[lucid olive]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scandinavian_mile

a mile is 10 kilometers

fuck outta here saying i cap

[runic kindle]

incredible

[obtuse jungle]

bro

[lucid olive]

[obtuse jungle]

its said 10 kilometers is 6.2 miles

[wild dune]

fairyland measurements

[obtuse jungle]

LMAO

rreat the value bro

[normal pilot]

stop wasting water and blaming poor ai

[eager raft]

Viking math

[lofty depot]

Now scandinavia has a mile....

[runic kindle]

I will say this. I wear a size 12 shoe. A size 12 shoe in freedom sizes is 12 inches. Measuring out feet by foot is fairly useful for me.

for like, home improvement guestimates

[round field]

What if ur like

Between inches

So like

[normal pilot]

always round up

[lucid olive]

like arctic

[runic kindle]

then you're off a little and have to use a stick, but yeah round up

[runic kindle]

you wouldn't do that for anything serious, but its nice for guessing

[runic kindle]

measure twice cut once so they say

[eager raft]

Great question! Ever heard of fractions?

[royal zenith]

ban evasion

lock him up

[round field]

No why

[eager raft]

Just curious

Wanted to learn more about you

[round field]

Whats there to learn

Im hungry

[runic kindle]

actually curiosity for you EU folks, does the EU help with inter country highway maintenance or is it each individual countries responsibility for the ones within their borders?

eu is in general more walkable and better trains than us but just wondering because mainland usa and the entirety europe is like roughly the same size geographically.

our states are somewhat individually responsible but w/ fed funding. Its a mess in the midwest, highways are constantly pothole ridden from winter and poor upkeep.

[jolly delta]

you just have been ruined by the car/oil monopolies

unforch

[runic kindle]

I mean yeah its just how it is

the train companies aren't helping either, they want to keep people off the trains because goods are more profitable to move than people

[jolly delta]

I dont think "EU" is really a thing?

I mean, there are a few subsidizes

But mostly each country pays for their own infrastructure

[runic kindle]

Thats what I figured

[jaunty blaze]

Some countries highways are privatized too

[runic kindle]

The usa kinda put itself into a logistical hole because highway upkeep is monstrously expensive and they are way more important to our day to day than euro countries

[royal zenith]

the EU mainly exist for easy trading, that's all

[runic kindle]

oh we have privatized toll roads as well

[lucid olive]

pretty sure its individual countries, but my country is not a part of the EU

but yeah the EU is primarily a trade deal

[royal zenith]

there's a dif in Europe and EU though

but yeah

semantics

[lucid olive]

yeah

[runic kindle]

Well right but I figured because the roads are used for trade, they might have some discretionary involvement in upkeep

[lucid olive]

there also difference between EU and EFTA

even if theyre both very similar trade deals

[runic kindle]

gotcha

[royal zenith]

gets paid by taxes of the people living there

(that's why belgium roads suck!!)

jk jk..

you'd have to tax both on a european level and country

[lucid olive]

Norwegian road system is actually horrible

[royal zenith]

or have like parts paid through eu

it's a mess if you have to fix it like that

[lucid olive]

The closest train to me is a 3-4 hour drive

[runic kindle]

Yeah I mean I said its better than us not that it was good

Japans rail system is something to envy

our rail system is like...basically the only passenger trains are luxury trips for the very rich and inner city subways

and the rest is all just moving goods

[grim mirage]

Lol don't worry government are alredy taking money for this 🙂

[royal zenith]

yeah probably

[lofty depot]

see id disagree that highways are pothole ridden

[lucid olive]

I think the numbered E-Road Network roads are the most likely to be funded by the Union?

[royal zenith]

but if you'd have to pay it through 2 instances, it gets messy

[lofty depot]

ur city streets are, but highways arent

[lucid olive]

but even then its probably paid for by the country and not the union

[runic kindle]

Indianapolis 465 begs to differ lol

[lucid olive]

but I know the highest quality roads in Norway have E in front of them

[junior thicket]

but i guess you have a clear sky then where u live

no light pollution

beautiful nature

[grim mirage]

Wouldn't it be "normal" to be said 5% of your tax is going to this and the rest to that instead of give me your money i'll manage go work 🙂

[lucid olive]

not a lot of light pollution, but constant rain and cold so

[junior thicket]

cant u move

elsewhere

[lofty depot]

maybe indiana has different standards

[royal zenith]

fuck no

People that say this have no clue what taxes are used for

[drifting nova]

not what they should be

[royal zenith]

but this is more a matter of being social versus capatalism etc.

[drifting nova]

[grim mirage]

Lol i'm well aware and that's why if they had to say it outloud things would change 🙂

[junior thicket]

fuck taxes

[runic kindle]

you could say that. They fix them pretty quickly but it seems like a hack job so the problem persists.

It doesn't help that indiana is in a slipstream during the winter where it can sometimes be colder than the arctic circle here and that plays havoc.

[jolly delta]

@lucid olive

[royal zenith]

and honestly

the forever problem with systems

[junior thicket]

10% of taxes go into the own country

[royal zenith]

is always humans

we're a virus

[lofty depot]

well ur also talking about in city interstate problems

and not just highway problems

[runic kindle]

Yeah true. Its a bit of a unique one since its essentially a giant circle around the city.

so its not an "interstate" but its used like one because it connects to all major interstates

[lucid olive]

unfortunate

[lofty depot]

well u have multiple connecting

theyre called interstates

[junior thicket]

you americans have the dumbest infrastructure out of every other country in the world

[lucid olive]

I tried to google how the E-Road network roads are funded and this is what the AI overview gave me

[lofty depot]

highways are a called highways

[lucid olive]

how many bottles of water was wasted in this AI

[drifting nova]

did you mean motorway

[royal zenith]

about 40 trees

[lofty depot]

because our country is the size of europe u fuck

[junior thicket]

you guys literally only have suburbans or big cities nothing in between and then nothings outside the city is connected

[royal zenith]

he meant roads

[drifting nova]

..yes..motorway

[runic kindle]

nah 456 is explicitly considered an interstate. Its called I465 with the 'i" standing for interstate.

[junior thicket]

then go reproduce more kek

[fossil shard]

Road

[eager raft]

Motorway

[lucid olive]

last thing arctic should do is reproduce

[eager raft]

God British people say dumb shit

[lofty depot]

no shit

[runic kindle]

despite it not going "interstate" its a connecting interstate since indianapolis is a crossroads of sorts

[drifting nova]

much easier to think of the US as EU with more steps

[fossil shard]

Motorway 🫖 🧐

[jolly delta]

probably half because the one google uses is shit

[glacial steeple]

You guys should kiss

[lofty depot]

but u said highway maintenance

[drifting nova]

I'm sure theres some shit tier road between slovenia and the czechs

[lofty depot]

which isnt the same thing

[jolly delta]

what if we already do

[eager raft]

Motorway

[junior thicket]

fuck america

[glacial steeple]

Dear Penthouse....

[junior thicket]

only empty spaces

[drifting nova]

which funnily enough IS called highway maintenance

dont ask me why

[eager raft]

[junior thicket]

parking lots everywhere

[lucid olive]

yeah americans don't understand how much different Europe is depending on the country

[runic kindle]

Yeah I mean thats kinda semantics but who are we if not arguers of semantics in a wow discord

[drifting nova]

each european country IS an american state

is essence

[lofty depot]

just wait til we start talking about county, city, and state differences

[royal zenith]

In all fairness, there's probably also big differences between states

[lofty depot]

well i work in the industry so call it what u want

[royal zenith]

like laws

[lucid olive]

Once had like 5 americans disagree when I said that the cultural differences between european countries are objectively more than between US states

crazy

[grim mirage]

7845 deputys in europe for 450M habitants
435 deputys in usa for 350M habitants

[eager raft]

I think the same can be said about non Americans not understanding the massive cultural differences state to state

[junior thicket]

walmarts, parking lots and fast food stores are their culture

[runic kindle]

100%

New Jersey is like a different world

and so is georgia, etc

[lucid olive]

No problem understanding it, but you talk English to someone on the canadian border and then on the mexican border they will both understand you

[glacial steeple]

Don't forget Fentanyl, God Bless America

[lucid olive]

You talk English to someone in Honningsvåg and then to someone in Turkey you get vastly different responses

[runic kindle]

A lot of the american culture binary gets simplified as "Freedom fuck yeah guns" and like...hollywood california liberalism, but its not quite that simple lol.

[junior thicket]

so glad to be european

[drifting nova]

turkey not in europe and especially not eu ptsd

[lucid olive]

yeah of course, US is a melting pot of different cultures and nations

[eager raft]

Yeah language is kinda the main thing that makes EU countries more culturally different from each other than US states are

[runic kindle]

I don't like the melting pot phrase, because in reality its more like an autistic kid who doesn't want his food touching on the same plate

[lucid olive]

there's for sure cultural differences between state to state

[runic kindle]

but whatevers clever

[lucid olive]

language is the most obvious one

[junior thicket]

has any american here ever been to like the netherlands or some other european country?

[drifting nova]

did you mean...holland

[wild dune]

[eager raft]

If I went to the Netherlands I’d hang out with deux

🙂

[drifting nova]

[lucid olive]

what a dumb question

[junior thicket]

holland isnt a country officially

[drifting nova]

holland was cool, lots of bikes

[junior thicket]

people call it holland

[drifting nova]

I was like 10 tho so

[eager raft]

@royal zenith right?

[royal zenith]

ehh

can't explain it to you

watch a youtube video 🙂

[junior thicket]

why tho

[lucid olive]

tbf i didn't catch the "here" part of it

[runic kindle]

I've been to the UK, germany, chzechia and italy briefly.

[drifting nova]

if germany was to be anglicsed itd be dutchland..which big shock is not where the dutch live

[eager raft]

Oh I was just saying right that we’d hang out if I was in Netherlands

[lucid olive]

and just read it as a generalized "has any american been to europe"

[royal zenith]

fuck no

[eager raft]

???

[drifting nova]

do you have a bike?

[royal zenith]

why would I ever trust some rando on the internet

[royal zenith]

of course

I have 2

[drifting nova]

big

[eager raft]

well for one I’m not a rando on the internet

[drifting nova]

not ridden a bike in years now

but holland was fun for the summer

[junior thicket]

i just wondered how they felt seeing evrything connected and being so easy to access

[eager raft]

And 2 I already know your address

[drifting nova]

blew my little mind

[jaunty blaze]

you know the good thing is you never forget how to ride a bike

[junior thicket]

in america u literally drive 6 hours to get from 1 state to the other

[royal zenith]

ya'll be saying it's weird we have bikes while eating beans, chips and fish for breakky getting fat and greasy

[drifting nova]

sure but I am now fat

[royal zenith]

thought's kekkers??

there you go

point proven

[drifting nova]

no, just it's cool

it blew my mind as a kid

LIKE I SAID I WAS LIKE 10

[royal zenith]

it's actually really nice yeah

[eager raft]

Deux gettin defensive over somethin inoffensive

[runic kindle]

Europe was super nice for walkability. I hate that all our cities are districted off into residential zones that are super far from shopping plazas etc. Japan was far better than europe for that though imo.

[eager raft]

Big surprise there

[royal zenith]

our roads are also just 10x more safe and maintained

[drifting nova]

my village thered be like 20-30kids on bikes, there ..everyone

[royal zenith]

and cities

[drifting nova]

old, young

[royal zenith]

(everything)

[drifting nova]

I frontflipped my loan bike smh

[runic kindle]

I have some euro friends who came to america thinking they'll just backpack around and they didn't believe me when I said yeah thats not gonna work

[royal zenith]

lulll

[royal zenith]

yeah you need a car and calculate like 6hr for anything 'close' by

[drifting nova]

didnt test the brake before needing them

[royal zenith]

heard some streamer yap on stream how everything was close by and I was like...uhhh

I walk 5 min for the grocery store

[runic kindle]

I mean everything is close by in that I can drive ~10-20 minutes and get wherever, but that is not geographically close

[eager raft]

There is nothing that is within a 5 min walk for me

[runic kindle]

and if my car breaks I'm relegated to a small number of places

[drifting nova]

think it was leiderdorp, need to find the mug somewhere

[royal zenith]

what the..

I lived there..

monkaS

[drifting nova]

we had a football tournament when we were like 10 for the summer

stayed with a host family of the player

[royal zenith]

Oh that's nice actually

actual football btw

not soccer

[drifting nova]

we went from winning ..every year here

to not there

[junior thicket]

from where i live i can drive over to the netherlands in less than 30 mins or be in france in no time aswell

[drifting nova]

bikes and pancakes, most of what I remember

[junior thicket]

have u ever had a puddingbrezel

or zimtschnecke

[glacial steeple]

I just want to know how to improve my dps in this game bro

[lofty depot]

u could drive 12 hours and still be in texas

[drifting nova]

reroll bear

[junior thicket]

switch class

[lofty depot]

could drive 8 hours from side to side of nebraska and still be in nebraska

[drifting nova]

had a cinnamon roll there yeah,..not had one since

[lucid olive]

and meet the exact same person at your first rest stop and at your last rest stop

[lofty depot]

more cows than people out west

[junior thicket]

12 hours could get you halfway through europe dam

[drifting nova]

north to south UK is...15hours

[runic kindle]

America is also fucked for same country vacations compared to europe. Like you said you can just day trip over to France, but for reference on how fucked America is for like...vacation costs. I don't personally like disney world but i'm gonna use it as an example. Its literally cheaper for an american family to fly to either japan or france, and attend disney in one of those locations than it is to take a family vacation at disney world in America.

[drifting nova]

theres nothing past inverness, just wilderness

[lofty depot]

have u considered just not going to disney

cuz like that place is cringe

[lucid olive]

thats not exclusively american

[runic kindle]

like I said, I don't. But its an equivalent in other places so its easy for reference lol

[junior thicket]

i mean yea and you dont really have that many exciting vacation spots aswell tbh

[normal pilot]

why would you pay for fake disney smh

[lucid olive]

its more expensive for me to fly to my capital city than for me to fly to England

[junior thicket]

theres not much in america that would have me travel there

[wild dune]

canada experiences this

costs me more to fly to toronto than spain some parts of the year

[drifting nova]

a story a few years ago guy flew to italy and back instead of getting the same train journey

[lucid olive]

I flew to Denmark last year and driving from my house to the airport cost me more than the flight did

[runic kindle]

Yeah but canada has a lot of the same problems america does.

you are technically also america lol

north america

[wild dune]

[lucid olive]

same problem applies to my country

which is very european

probably one of the most european ones out there

[junior thicket]

norway isnt even real bro

ive never heard anything in my life related to norway

no news

no inventions

[runic kindle]

Fair enough.

[junior thicket]

you guys just exist as a country lol

[royal zenith]

oil

!

[runic kindle]

But its also easier for you to get to other countries, europe is like a 8-12 hour flight depending on where i'm going

[eager raft]

Winter Olympic gold medals

[runic kindle]

I can go to mexico for cheap vacation and risk cartel snatching I guess

mostly a joke btw I know thats not likely

[eager raft]

Norways gold medal per capita is otherworldly

[drifting nova]

shouldve invaded mexico instead smh

probably crossed his mind

[runic kindle]

Parts of mexico are beautiful and worth visiting but

other parts not so much

[junior thicket]

because their athletes get rewarded if then win gold for their country at least

[lofty depot]

if u go to japan or france or w.e. do u go there for disney world... or do u go to sight see?

[royal zenith]

you go to disney land at least once in your life

[lofty depot]

i havent

[wild dune]

tokyo disney is awesome

far surpasses anaheim

[junior thicket]

americans do

[runic kindle]

japan I do non standard stuff like go out to the boonies, I don't really hit up the major tourist spots for more than a day or two, and I def don't do theme parks

[royal zenith]

would love to go there

[runic kindle]

europe is more for historical land marks I like euro history

[royal zenith]

japan in general

epic country

[lofty depot]

ok so u can do the same in america and not spend 1000s

[wild dune]

nah its diff

[drifting nova]

the american mecca

[wild dune]

ive been to 3 disney worlds now

[lucid olive]

thats crazy considering the amount of inventions from here

[wild dune]

tokyo was easily the best

[royal zenith]

the france one is okay

ish

[wild dune]

i cant wait to see shanghai disney

[junior thicket]

ah yea forgot about the cheese slicer

thanks for that

[runic kindle]

hotels even in the boonies in america are like 3x the cost of japanese hotels and much shittier. I do go to tennessee and mountain hike and stuff. But also there are no ages old japanese shrines or castles on the tenessee mountains so its less cool

and a lot of american history is less interesting because its frankly just not as old

[lucid olive]

object-oriented programming, CSS code, bluetooth technology

artificial fertilizer

the paper clip

gas turbines

[drifting nova]

spray can, THE PAPERCLIP, probably a bunch of oil and gas stuff given the coast

[royal zenith]

gastanks... ?

[junior thicket]

bluetooth was sweden

[eager raft]

According to Wikipedia Norway invented nightcore

[royal zenith]

they stole it from frenchcore

[drifting nova]

[eager raft]

Isn’t harald Bluetooth a Dane

[runic kindle]

Like yeah I can go to mount rushmore for cheap but is that cooler than the roman colloseum? certainly not

[lucid olive]

the wireless technology semiconductor used to develop it was from a norwegian company

[junior thicket]

css coding apparently in cern

switzerland

[lucid olive]

by Håkon Wium Lie

[royal zenith]

they were looking for a way to fight the forest trolls

[lucid olive]

norwegian

[royal zenith]

and transfer info

[junior thicket]

ok fair

[runic kindle]

same tbh give me some forest trolls to fight

[royal zenith]

[junior thicket]

now lets compare to german inventions

[lucid olive]

lets compare norway population to german population as well then

if you wanna be accurate

[runic kindle]

also food in america is like 1/5th the quality of food in europe or japan but also 3-4x the cost

[drifting nova]

norway gets cleared by scotland

[runic kindle]

our bread is fake.

and horrible for you.

[junior thicket]

i mean thats an argument but there are other countrys with far more population and far less inventions

its all resource bound tbf

if ur wealthy country you invent

if ur people poor u dont

[lucid olive]

Norway one of the poorest countries in the world before 1970

Lots of Norwegian inventions came before 1970

We hadn't found oil when we invented object-oriented programming with Simula 1 in 1960

[junior thicket]

no

[royal zenith]

I still remember reading about subway like 4 years ago

[runic kindle]

Does it not just change the type of invention. Poor struggling will invent things that help their specific needs.

[royal zenith]

how their bread was classified as cake

[lucid olive]

first aerosol spray can was 1926

[royal zenith]

cause of the amount of sugar

[lucid olive]

artificial fertilizer was 1903

[junior thicket]

bruh we talking inventions

like big ones

[lucid olive]

artificial fertilizer is a big invention?

[junior thicket]

cant be poor to not invent fukin artifical fertilizers

[lucid olive]

it revolutionized modern agriculture

[lofty depot]

just wait til u hear about how mcdonalds sells more burgers than america can produce beef for

[royal zenith]

the dutch invented New York, thoughts?

[runic kindle]

its not just the sugar, we also use a differenttype of wheat that is optimized for yield that digests poorly and can cause people to have symptoms similar to celiacs disease. its why you have so many people claiming they are gluten allergic.

[junior thicket]

its just the concept thats invented

[lucid olive]

Norway also wasn't a rich country until the 90s

We were on the verge of bankruptcy at the end of the 80s

[junior thicket]

yea and germany was destroyed in 1945

[runic kindle]

the only option in america is to make your own bread with imported ingredients if you don't want trash bread lol

[lofty depot]

or stop eating bread

[runic kindle]

but I love bread

[lucid olive]

our pension fund didn't exist until '96

[lofty depot]

silly food pyramid ass

[lucid olive]

which was after a norwegian guy invented CSS

[runic kindle]

fuck the pyramid I just love the bread

[junior thicket]

oky

[lucid olive]

our pension fund the only reason we're so seemingly rich in the eyes of other countries

idk man

you said that "norway does nothing you just exist"

[royal zenith]

bread is chill

[junior thicket]

we had bismarck

[royal zenith]

the ACTUAL bread

[lucid olive]

which is objectively false

[royal zenith]

the fluffy fresh ones..

[junior thicket]

it is false

[lucid olive]

norway also one of the main reasons Germany never made it to nuclear weaponry in ww2

[junior thicket]

how so

[ruby badger]

ty 👍

[lucid olive]

the heavy water sabotage misison where we blew up the german factories

just by random civilians using inherited hunting rifles

[junior thicket]

that wasnt just the norwegians

and also good shit lol

imagine we had atomic bombs

[royal zenith]

rather not..

[junior thicket]

i mean america had them

[runic kindle]

I mean the german leadership was kinda fighting too many fronts at once, hitler was getting microdosed meth by his doctor that no one wanted around except hitler and he was the boss, and you had Himmler using dwindling resources to hunt for occult artifacts so if random civies weren't able to do something I think there would be a problem

[junior thicket]

and they needed a playground for their toys

and bombed japan

imagine what germany wouldv edone

[lofty depot]

Have u considered they wouldn't surrender

[junior thicket]

have u considered that 2 bombs were dropped

[lofty depot]

Yes, I'll ask again

[junior thicket]

bruh we could dicuss this forever

[lofty depot]

Do u cook ur food then taste it and it's still cold so u gotta nuke it again?

[drifting nova]

what bombs? russia were about to declare and japan surrendered

[junior thicket]

there are other ways than to bomb an entire city and cook their citizens

[runic kindle]

Idk how much depth euro schools go into it, but the pacific front was fucking brutal. It was not a take prisoners situation over there on either side.

I don't think we should've dropped the bombs, but yeah, it was brutal

[royal zenith]

pretty sure 99% of us have no clue what actually happened over there

every country is telling their own story

[runic kindle]

you're not wrong. My grandfather fought over there and the fear in his eyes when he used to tell stories occasionally was real though.

[lofty depot]

SpongeBob happened, ik that forsure

[junior thicket]

america had toys

and wanted to test them

[royal zenith]

at least wars proved one thing

sunk cost fallacy is one hell of drug

[junior thicket]

they won berlin without them

they could for sure win japan afterwards

without them

[lofty depot]

Maybe Japan is better than Germany

[drifting nova]

...

it's all bait

[runic kindle]

at least with the euro front we have postive POW stories of the lads on both sides eating christmas dinner and playing baseball and shit. Over in the pacific there are no such stories lol

[lofty depot]

More will to fight for their country

[wild dune]

[drifting nova]

japan and germany have vastly different cultures

[royal zenith]

I dunno what stories you hear or see..

monka

[drifting nova]

if you cant see that idk

[runic kindle]

obviously those are outliers and it was still owful

awful even*

[royal zenith]

right now they have to cook up roads with full-on fishnets everywhere so they can't get attacked by drones

[runic kindle]

drones are scary man

[round field]

wrong america is a big fucking clownshow when viewied from the outside

[royal zenith]

talking about the 'front'

[runic kindle]

and you wouldn't be wrong. But things were a little different in the 40s.

[royal zenith]

the whole part about "your war* was less bad than ours"

like what does it even matter

[round field]

well i dont care about the 40s do i

might all be fake

[junior thicket]

bruh

[lofty depot]

Well we were talking about then silly

[junior thicket]

america breaking all their own invented by participation of "international laws"

[runic kindle]

look man I just live here I can't stop them.

[royal zenith]

to be fair, actually discussing the right now stuff is uh

[runic kindle]

not without 2 bullets to the back of the head suicide at least

[royal zenith]

bit dangerous for a balance druid discord

LMAO

[junior thicket]

ah yea got drifted too far away

buff balance pls

[runic kindle]

truth

[junior thicket]

give 3rd eclipse

[royal zenith]

arctic is already posting burnt peanuts

[round field]

Jesus fucking christ someone ban this guy

[royal zenith]

surely it can't get worse

[drifting nova]

give 1 eclipse but it lasts twice as long

[runic kindle]

fuck it just remove eclipse and make it passive

lol

[drifting nova]

woah there

thats blashpemy

[wild dune]

i like current eclipse

[royal zenith]

give it one stack

[runic kindle]

I think most people do.

[drifting nova]

worse of all I have no idea if I'm in eclipse half the time or not

due to no wa

[wild dune]

numbers arent there but the spec feels really good even with piss haste

[royal zenith]

I'd sacrifice eclipse button for more damage on spenders

any day

[wild dune]

i mean we can get both

[drifting nova]

and please for the love of god let eclipse double stack

none of this "a more powerful ability isa ctive"

[runic kindle]

I have done the really scuffed thing of putting it on the cooldown manager bar and making it huge.

[royal zenith]

also to be fair, I think if pulls actually last longer and raid fights will actually last like 5-6 minutes

[runic kindle]

it just works*

[royal zenith]

eclipse will feel waaay better

[drifting nova]

I've..just got the default so its mixed with everything cba fixing it

but yeah I need to figure out a large eclipse

[wild dune]

now we just need to delete EC

[drifting nova]

EC is king

[royal zenith]

agree

[drifting nova]

delete kotg

[royal zenith]

delete EC

[drifting nova]

tree friends

[drifting nova]

you clearly havent played EC

[wild dune]

no i healed my m0s

[runic kindle]

replace EC with wildstalker

[drifting nova]

I see they nerfed the lunar buff aswell

its only 100% now

what was it last xpac

140?

[runic kindle]

make wildstalker roots do astral

easy

[wild dune]

sims dont lie idk ec aint crankin anything but its own hog

[jovial sundial]

Replaces kotg with circle of the spores from dnd, make it mushroom themed

[drifting nova]

you mean hearthstone?

[wild dune]

circle of the spores is literally a druid subclass

[jovial sundial]

Yea sure that works

[wild dune]

kekkers

[drifting nova]

so are m0s daily next week or

[royal zenith]

circle of spores sounds way better

than dumbass trees

[wild dune]

no still weekly

[royal zenith]

I will not lie!

[drifting nova]

need to figure out how important doing 0s on my druid is

[wild dune]

m0 daily is on the 17th

[royal zenith]

weekly until season

and then ye daily

[drifting nova]

oh..so its useless

[royal zenith]

for whatever reason

[drifting nova]

still not done world tour on war idk

[royal zenith]

surely people aren't already 240 ilvl by the time season starts

right..

[drifting nova]

tried doing hard prey as chicken

[wild dune]

dad gamers with 1 hour of gameplay a day man

[drifting nova]

that was a MISTAKE

[wild dune]

wiping in m0 then whining on reddit

[drifting nova]

ambushes are actual ambushes

[wild dune]

thats the demographic duex

[royal zenith]

is true

[drifting nova]

the last boss in murder row was cool

with the big ele

chasing the tonk

[royal zenith]

a few of the dungeons are pretty good

too bad they take so fucking long

why did we go back to 4 bosses

[drifting nova]

with 400 imps

[runic kindle]

the secret to being a dad gamer with normal playtime amounts is to just get your kids to play wow with you

my little guy just loves being a bird so sometimes he flies around and gathers for me lol

[drifting nova]

that entire road is cursed

[runic kindle]

you just don't do dungeons with them though because that will actually kill your mentals

maybe when he's older and cares more about playing well

[upper anvil]

@drifting nova I still think its time you retire the boomkin

Also m0 isnt that bad. If you get gear can easily hit 235-24p before tomorrow's reset

[runic kindle]

m0 world tour only takes like 2.5-3 hours if your group is solid. Can bust it out over a couple nights.

maybe less tbh

[round field]

your first mistake is interacting with kekkers

[upper anvil]

But its fun interacting with kekkers. Like he was wiping in normal den last night

You never know what will happen with the guy. Its peak entertainment

[plucky valley]

I cleared all the prey normal and hard

Ezpz

I did use quite a bit of those 50% hp pots tho

[cloud citrus]

should of just went guardian

[drifting nova]

WHAT PART OF I HIT 90 LITERALLY LAST NIGHT

[meager storm]

problem?

[drifting nova]

it's bad enough I have to play fury instead of arms

[upper anvil]

Im more concerned you're wipping at normal den at 90. Was fine doing den at 80-89

[drifting nova]

yes but like I said

dumb tanks think its tww

where casts are just damage

[upper anvil]

Nah skill issues

[drifting nova]

and not debuffs

[upper anvil]

Is norms

[drifting nova]

..there were 10 -50% max hp totems out

[upper anvil]

Why you no kill totems

[drifting nova]

sir, I am a chicken

I do no dam

[upper anvil]

Kekkers bad

[lucid olive]

why are we doing normal dungeons

[drifting nova]

I cant make stupid tanks better

[drifting nova]

as I hit 90 and equipped lw gear I still needed ilvl so did a normal

[meager storm]

i love this tier, kekkers gets to play weaver im sure he loves that talent so much

[drifting nova]

and it was the worst den I've ever seen

I did..back in nerub

infact I played it

[upper anvil]

Why not just buy cheap 204 gear

Is like 100-500 gold. Or do world quests

[drifting nova]

https://tenor.com/view/you-are-stupid-are-you-stupid-chef-ramsay-gif-7766570

I crafted my own while doing 89-90

heroics however do not allow just 204

[upper anvil]

Then dying at den normal is even worse silly goose

[potent pollen]

Hey guys, so I'm trying balance for my alt this go around and have not played it in awhile. I was just wondering if I even need to show my secondary resource bar as boomkin since eclipse is a button now?

[lucid olive]

just do world quests

[drifting nova]

huh, bnet is fucked

friends gone + sub expired

[lucid olive]

no but Eclipse is also not related to your secondary resource bar

your secondary resource in moonkin form is mana

[potent pollen]

What is the secondary resource bar for balance?

[upper anvil]

You have friends?

[drifting nova]

I was..and queueing for normals, didnt you think I thought of this

I'm 4 steps ahead

[lucid olive]

Mana

[drifting nova]

minimum

[lucid olive]

Astral Power then

its one or the other

[upper anvil]

Hi gamz how are you today

[lucid olive]

Astral Power also not really tied to Eclipse

but yeah you only need to show Astral Power

the rest is kinda whatever

[drifting nova]

no

[lucid olive]

you're not gonna run out of mana unless you're spamming regrowth

[wild dune]

[drifting nova]

we already share a server

that is close enough

[upper anvil]

Should find new friends and start an epic journey with them!

[lucid olive]

too popular (half are offline for 2+ years)

[drifting nova]

imagine adding random people

[jade flume]

what the helly

i dont even know 100 peoples

[lofty depot]

Mana is the primary tho

[eager raft]

I’m in favourites I assume

[keen warren]

Hey all, been a Druid fan boy forever, but I’ve mained resto, I decided to try dps/balance for the first time.

I realize they’re not goated right now, realistically what’s getting into keys gonna be like based on past experiences?

[lofty depot]

I've never had issues

[drifting nova]

not even in there smh

[lofty depot]

Early season is easy keys. Just be higher ilvl than the rest of the dorks

[drifting nova]

10ilvls up

still do less damage

the chicken way

[tacit quest]

where in the single target raid spec am I casting fury of elune? icyveins and wowhead don't mention it for keeper of the grove

[dull dust]

https://tenor.com/view/garbage-fire-gif-22886425

pov u logged into boomkin

in midnight

[tacit quest]

thank you

[jolly delta]

(looks weird cause still wip)

[tacit quest]

thats why I couldnt find it

[jolly delta]

no thats dreamgrove.gg

on wowhead gamz just forgot

[lucid olive]

no

intentional cause the build that was best at that point wasn't using FoE

[jolly delta]

forgot to update rotation after updating build

[kindred token]

@lucid olive Hi. Is there any update for opener yet?

[dull dust]

@lucid olive what's opener

[runic kindle]

just open a can of whoopass tbh

[dull dust]

based

push dots then push all buttons

[lofty depot]

The opener is updated on wowhead

[runic kindle]

where does everyone stand on the one hander plus offhand vs stave debate in here I wanna see some real opinions

(other than just sim it lol) peoples takes are often funny with this one.

[jolly delta]

There's no debate, it depends on what the raid drops

[lucid olive]

whats there to debate

[runic kindle]

not if you're crafting a weapons raid week one haha

[drifting nova]

any helpers what this means

[runic kindle]

yes

[lucid olive]

does the debate include a bunch of people who peak normal raid or

[dull dust]

[lofty depot]

Crafting OH is beans

Mages do it and they're stupid

2H >

[runic kindle]

agreed. The mage discord loves their 1h+offhand for some reason

[runic kindle]

I mean maybe its hard to say

I just know some people get really passionate about it, apparently boomkins are a more logical bunch in that regard

[dull dust]

just drop a mainhand in vault week 2

and ur chillin

[lucid olive]

maybe someone in here are passionate about it as well

people care about the stupidest stuff

[runic kindle]

haha true, but i'm in a new guild this season so I gotta look good week one so I'm crafting that weapon

[lucid olive]

sure

[runic kindle]

perception is more important than reality most times

[lucid olive]

i'm not crafting until it's needed

[wild dune]

looking good for heroic

?

[lucid olive]

it's like

teamfight tactics

[runic kindle]

You save and get a payoff yeah

[lucid olive]

you don't donkey roll every turn, you choose the best moments to use your resources

[wild dune]

crafting anything rn is beyond bald and if ur guild shits on you for not crafting, find a new guild lmao

[true viper]

These m0s dont die faster of course im crafting a weapon

[runic kindle]

lol, again its perception

the bench is there gotta stand out

[wild dune]

is ur roster being decided on heroic week?

[lofty depot]

Upgrading an OH lowest increase of use of crests

[runic kindle]

Probably not.

[lofty depot]

No heroic enchanted runed crest thing

[runic kindle]

Yeah I guess thats true its like 80 crests isnt it

[lucid olive]

off-hand vs staff discussion makes sense in other seasons where two-handed crafts are delayed

but you can craft two-hander on heroic week now so who cares

[dull dust]

silence i need embel in a spot

[lucid olive]

okay

don't need spark for embellishment craft

[dull dust]

where tf am I putting it

[dull dust]

so if I drop a 1h in vault

[delicate perch]

Yep craft asap > “blast” heroic week > get out geared because you crafted a wrong item and got it in vault > ride the bench and play pokopia

[dull dust]

I just dont take it

[delicate perch]

Giga brain strat honestly

[dull dust]

[slim tapir]

Ilvl go brrr

[runic kindle]

this guys thinking with his brain

I actually kinda wish m+ was open heroic week just with capped ilvl

[dull dust]

thats the hit 99peak logs

and have 60 avrage strat

[runic kindle]

hell yeah

[eager raft]

What’s wrong with crafting now? I already crafted my bracers!

[wild dune]

is ur druid even 90

[eager raft]

Theyre 259 item level that’s way higher than everything else!

[wild dune]

dirty warlock

[runic kindle]

lol

[eager raft]

Lost interest about halfway through 81

[nimble tangle]

Hold on, why is KOTG rotation still a flow chart

More complicated than my daily excel sheet

[wild dune]

thats fair warlock and dk are far more fun

[eager raft]

For now…..

[wild dune]

the 20% dk aura nerf is gonna be funny

got that discord on speed-dial to watch the flames

[lofty depot]

What u mean still

[runic kindle]

I'm honestly not a fan of how UK dk feels now. I wasn't a big fan of the zit popping fake combo points either but, outside of the cool factor of having a lot of ghouls all the time its just ok.

they should just make it a plate caster necromancer

its already half way there

[wild dune]

idk my brain gets all fuzzy every time cds are up

v satisfying having 10 mages up and death coil critting like a truck

[cerulean wagon]

Is there any data on the upcoming tuning?

[wild dune]

no

[runic kindle]

no its gonna be a fiesta on the 17th

[lofty depot]

Gastank will tell u before the blue post, but no

[eager raft]

I assume we’ll get notes this Friday

[runic kindle]

the sky will literally be falling

[wild dune]

can make predictions on sims but its blizzard and they are historically bald

[lucid olive]

yeah notes on thursday or friday probably

[lucid olive]

yeah I can't wait for the "the upcoming 10% aura buff is an overall 9.6% damage buff" pin

and people being confused

[wild dune]

[runic kindle]

lol

[nova ocean]

I wish we got that much

[lucid olive]

happens every time

[runic kindle]

"how can 10% not be 10%"

[wild dune]

i dont think 10% is far fetched at all tbh

[eager raft]

They should just give back the 35% aura buff from tww

Or whatever it got up to

[lucid olive]

a 10% aura buff is almost never an actual 10% dmg increase

[nova ocean]

At least we arent melee there aura buffs are weird cause of auto attack

[runic kindle]

people do tend to struggle with percentages interacting with eachother.

[lucid olive]

same people that take blizzard and tooltips too seriously

[wild dune]

think goldrinn could use another 200% buff xdcat

[eager raft]

@lament sigil he used my trigger word

[lament sigil]

Oh no

[eager raft]

[dull dust]

I like the bm hunter 10% aura nerfs/buffs just leave pets out half the time

[versed hawk]

im trying to learn balance now and i have a couple questions. first, the rotation priorities and talents on icyveins and wowhead are very different

[lofty depot]

Nah last time 3% was 2.6 so now 10% gonna be 10.2

[versed hawk]

which is a better guide to this

[lucid olive]

wowhead

[versed hawk]

second what does overcapping astral power mean for this class

[lean sun]

wtb goldrinn just 100% of the time and tune accordlingly. i just wanna be pissing out ghost puppers

[dull dust]

🔮

[lucid olive]

being at max astral power and not spending it

[wild dune]

nonstop AWOOO would be great

[lofty depot]

Means losing damage

[lucid olive]

max astral power changes depending on talents

[versed hawk]

yeah im aware but what i mean is what amount of astral power is right before capping to prevent

[lucid olive]

wdym

[runic kindle]

it depends on your talents

you can have as much as like 140 max I think

[lucid olive]

yeah baseline is 100, increased by 20 for Astral Communion in spec tree and from Keeper of the Grove hero talent

[eager raft]

An amount where your next wrath would put you over

[dull dust]

ap-whatever generator ur casting - passive shit

[lucid olive]

if you're at max Astral Power you should have already spent it

[runic kindle]

I think he's asking how much the generators generate

so like what breakpoint

[lucid olive]

Spend AP if your next cast will end up at more than 100%

[nimble tangle]

2 weeks ago it was a flow chart wip

[runic kindle]

I think baseline wrath generates like 8ap but then you have talents that make it generate more

[delicate perch]

If 10% buff why only 9.6% buff?? Experts can’t read???

[runic kindle]

so yeah, just figure out what your line is and stop there, throw a surge or starfall and keep goin

[versed hawk]

do you only use eclipse when exiting celestial alignment

[dull dust]

[lofty depot]

Looks fine

[lucid olive]

baseline is 6

[lofty depot]

Wait til u cast 6 wraths before incarning cuz u didn't proc

[eager raft]

What purpose does the eclipse serve

[dull dust]

[eager raft]

And the starfire

[lucid olive]

Get it on CD

[lucid olive]

it's instant

[eager raft]

From the hero talent?

Apex

I mean

[lucid olive]

apex talent

ye

instant starfire > instant wrath

in incarn

on all target counts

[eager raft]

What if the eclipse procs both eclipses

[lucid olive]

opener assumes using recommended wowhead talents

[dull dust]

then u lost 10% in champ select

[eager raft]

ah that talent no good?

[lucid olive]

yeah total eclipse total dogshit

[dull dust]

dont worry our buffs gunna be to make it 50% chance

[runic kindle]

generally speaking with charged abilities across the game capping charges is treated the same as capping resource so sending the early one makes sense in that regard.

[dull dust]

and then u play 0 capstones

[runic kindle]

otherwise it would just be sitting there not doing anything for the entire incarn

[lucid olive]

the Eclipse before Incarn makes sense by just playing

[eager raft]

Woulda gone hard with old mastery

[lucid olive]

but spending the 3 buffed spenders by the apex talent before pressing treants+incarn is what doesn't make sense

[lofty depot]

Free 20% inc dam

[lucid olive]

cause going like Eclipse -> Wrath -> Wrath -> Treants -> Incarn kinda makes sense

[lofty depot]

What barely makes sense is the fury 4 seconds before incarn

[lucid olive]

but going Eclipse -> Spend x3 -> Build for CDs -> Sunfire before CDs -> Treants+Incarn

[lofty depot]

Casting it specifically for asp

[lucid olive]

isnt as intuitive

[dull dust]

lowkey I didn't check if that was good i just put it in on vibes

I hope u checked

I lied but its good ragebait

[lucid olive]

I tried a few times to send CDs earlier without much gain

[dull dust]

I checked

[eager raft]

What are the symbols on the spell icons

[lucid olive]

tooltips

[eager raft]

Like the totc and weaver icons

[lucid olive]

go to the page and hover them

they explain the step

[eager raft]

Not at home rn

[eager raft]

Thanks king

Guy like me got no idea what an ascendant eclipse stack is sadly

[drifting nova]

I dont have that second button

[lucid olive]

this is also in the rotation section on the "Starfire in Incarn" line

[lucid olive]

thats why i used the icon for it tbh

[jolly delta]

btw gamz do u want feedback on the wowhead guide or you're rewriting it anyways

[eager raft]

Ye make sense

Ppl go check talents and find it easily

[lucid olive]

no

[jolly delta]

bet

[nimble tangle]

too loooong

[lucid olive]

giving feedback over a guide where i have 0 say in the format and am not at all used to the workflow or how the website works

xd

[lofty depot]

He asked be for feedback, get fucked

[jolly delta]

no im giving feedback on whats written

[lucid olive]

log in more than once a year and i'd consider it

[jolly delta]

woke up salty today huh

[eager raft]

Nah u got cooked

[kindred token]

Do we use Elune in the opener or just Solar Eclipse?

[lofty depot]

Don't worry, I gotchu

[eager raft]

who is arctic

I only know read the pin