balance

[lofty depot]

this will be the most fun uve ever had

[dull dust]

enjoy feral this tier

[dense steeple]

im too restarted for feral

[lofty depot]

no ur not

[dull dust]

how many neurons need to fire for feral

[loud kettle]

i was also the only druid main on the raid team and i rolled off of it anyway

forced someone else to reroll druid 😎

[dull dust]

aura

[drifting nova]

hoping to get world last?

who takes a chicken

[wanton pecan]

hi guys! did u guys know, if we already have a plater profile that allow us to see if a dot was applied to the targer? i mean, moonfire, sunfire... back in last season i was able to track this. but i cant find it

like the namplate color changes

[dense steeple]

the math has been mathed, me giving 19 players vers is better than me playing anything else

[dense steeple]

im nothing if not a team player

[lofty depot]

u cant change colors with dots

[wanton pecan]

thei remove it?

[lofty depot]

the new thing that blizzard came out with so they could delete weakauras

[lofty depot]

they removed the ability to do so yes

[wanton pecan]

sad

[lofty depot]

i mean ur tracking a difference in color vs just looking for a moonfire icon

[silent gust]

Hey, total noob to boomie. Noticed that Wowhead and Icyveins recommend opposite hero talents as the best, with icy veins being very adamant about KotG being stronger in almost all scenarios. Any context on that? Cheers!

(for m+/dungeons)

[lofty depot]

u can play either

[silent gust]

fair enough!

Elune seems easier to get into

so I'll just stick with that for now

no pesky solar eclipse to think about

[lofty depot]

pesky.....

[silent gust]

:)

I

I'll learn to love it

[lofty depot]

learn to not love ec

shits cringe

[silent gust]

just gotta get a feel for this spec first

Yeah not really seeing the point considering the uptime is almost 100% anyway 😛

[lofty depot]

spam casting starfire on boss is gotta be the cringest shit

[silent gust]

it's not ideal ye

I guess thats the best argument for KotG? if they play both eclipses I mean

[lofty depot]

well solar is low target count

so its mostly bosses

ur still in lunar in aoe

[silent gust]

ye i gathered that

at least you get to press a different button in st

https://klipy.com/gifs/its-something-here-you-go

[dense steeple]

this home boy keeps interjecting saying feral is good every time i mention how guardian pumps

dudes never stepped foot in a raid on a druid

[lofty depot]

he knows tho

[dense steeple]

had a top m+ score of 1000

he knows

unfortunately its newcomer chat so i cant be toxic

[lofty depot]

soma is an elitist

[warm briar]

Last time I went into newcomer chat, it was people spamming racial slurs, so I guess it’s nice that that got cleaned up

[dense steeple]

that rarely happens

[kindred token]

Like for racial sim?

[lofty depot]

no for slur saturday

[kindred token]

xD

[dense steeple]

that today!

[dull dust]

lock in

[delicate perch]

imagine being a new player and somas the one that guides you

doomed from the start

[lucid olive]

this delve with the mirrors is kinda cool

[delicate perch]

ya I liked it

[lucid olive]

but god do i hope they dont add that "pick a thing up and place it" mechanic in a raid boss

[kindred token]

Which delve?

[dull dust]

I love delving with mirrors

[delicate perch]

the one with the mirrors.

[teal sphinx]

[dense steeple]

i give objectively correct information

instead of telling new players "yes feral is really good right now"

[kindred token]

I got my Druid title "ArchDruid" today 🙂

[dense steeple]

grats buddy

[ornate girder]

how long did it take you? i didnt play a druid in legion and dunno how long the campaigns take anymore

[lofty depot]

10 years apparently

[wild dune]

[ornate girder]

[kindred token]

I don't remember, but I forgot to do last quest and I got it turned it by today. Is this title for specific druid spec tho?

[kindred token]

lol

[ornate girder]

its not spec specific no its just for doing the campaign, but thanks anyways!!

i just dont wanna go back and do all that stuff if it takes forever to do im lazy

[kindred token]

Make sure to do it on main character, because it's not account-wide

[ornate girder]

oh yee for sure

[weak lark]

quick question- why doesn't the balance druid rotation guide define what "pandemic" means?

[lofty depot]

it does in certain guides

30% of base duration shown in the tooltip

5-6 seconds

[dense steeple]

you know how when your dot is falling off it glows bigger?

thats pandemic

[lofty depot]

in game, ur dot will shine red

[weak lark]

i dont think that's in vanilla

i've never noticed that

[lofty depot]

this isnt vanilla

[lucid olive]

it used to be a warlock ability

and then it was made baseline for basically every dot after

[weak lark]

i mean without addons

i.e. plain wow

[lofty depot]

its in the base cdm p sure

[lucid olive]

your default cooldown manager will have a red outline when its in pandemic

[weak lark]

ill keep an eye out for that then

[dense steeple]

ty gamz

[tawny cloud]

For our 4 set piece it says that 40% chance to strike an affected target. What does that mean? Affected by what? Starsurge/ starfall or moonfire/sunfire?

[lofty depot]

a/the target of the surge/starfall cast

"casting them"

[dense steeple]

[plucky valley]

we need buffs, ASAP ! dmg to smol, NO CAP !

[dull dust]

6 or 7 of them

[torn ravine]

Haiii am also new to balance druid, is kotg the way for both m+ and raids? Since on icy veins it shows kotg in both types of content but in their rotational guide it picks EC as m+ recommended.

[lofty depot]

u can play either in m0... typically keeper is better in raid

[lucid olive]

They are both close enough in power for there to be a choice on what you prefer playing. Usually Elune's Chosen ends up better later in the season in higher keys

[lofty depot]

m+ builds are found out later, play what u prefer and see what happens

[dull dust]

🥜

[kindred token]

lmao

[dense steeple]

ok boys we got a big arch

the box cant even hold the weight

as someone who can easily down 3 big macs, i cannot finish this burger

[lofty depot]

sounds like bitchmade

dont use mean "this product"

[dense steeple]

its just

super fuckin messy, the patties arent even fully cooked

like still pink in the middle

greasy as all fuck

like i completely understand why the ceo was holding it like a bomb

because its going to collapse if you mishandle it for even a fraction of a second

[lofty depot]

soma spreading propaganda

[dense steeple]

Brother

[lofty depot]

that is pretty sus

maybe get a better mcdonalds

[dense steeple]

this is normally a really good mcdonalds

[wild dune]

🤢

[dull dust]

would

[delicate perch]

“Really good McDonalds”

Wait why did it take you half the burger to stop eating it..

NA moment..

[true viper]

How do u undercook a patty the thickness of a quarter

[fallen marten]

Should probably nerf boomkin immediately, the only logical choice

[lofty depot]

dont worry, waiting on gastank to nerf it

[dull dust]

do i get reduced delve xp after a certien amount

[lofty depot]

no

u just do less damage the higher lvl u are

and it takes more xp to level :/

[dull dust]

but a full delve just gave me like half a bar

at 81

[lofty depot]

are u questing or

[dull dust]

idk what that means

do i need todo the skip?

[lofty depot]

are u spaming delves

or are u questin

[dull dust]

spaming

[lofty depot]

then yea is fine

the full sgp full is like 50k

which is 4-5 minute pulls

[dull dust]

[lofty depot]

get anywhere from 700-900k hr depending on speed

[dull dust]

the ladies tell me im pretty quick

[potent cargo]

how is there not a fkn

vietnamese leveling strat yet

[worthy nimbus]

Hey guys, i lost track of our talents because i havent played past tww season 2 and i cant find this information. Do we still have talent where starfall extends duration on our dots?

[vital hound]

on da right

[nimble tangle]

so low so shit

[potent cargo]

did more dps in tww

[vital hound]

[dull dust]

no

[potent cargo]

ayo

[worthy nimbus]

Thank you

[dusky orchid]

sorry yall but i have a dumb question, i dont understand why but eclipse is always only lunar for me? casting wrath doesn't change it to be solar at all

[jaunty blaze]

you are specced elunes chosen and have lunar calling talented

[dusky orchid]

yeah i just imported the m+ build and havent read over everything yet lol, ill do that now

thanks

[jaunty blaze]

👍

[dusky orchid]

ok i fou nd that. well tahts weird, i guess you only ever lunar and just take wrath off your bar?? da fk

[jaunty blaze]

you dont need wrath anymore for that no

[cedar forge]

Wrath is obsolete when playing EC

[ruby whale]

Hi im a returning player and new to balance was wondering if you guys had any tips for prey system?

specially when getting ambushed after pulling mobs (in world quest to stack prey)

[potent cargo]

disarm traps when ur doing prey and then use the trap when u get ambushed

it will 1 shot the prey ambushing u

[ruby whale]

oh true i forgot about that LOL

[potent cargo]

otherwise just treants with taunts and incarn/convoke kills everything

[ruby whale]

ty!

[ruby whale]

so keeper of the grove is prob better when doing prey right?

[jaunty blaze]

both hero trees work for it but if you struggle a bit taunting trees sure help

[potent cargo]

i wouldnt even touch elune chosen outside of keys

and even then probably not decent keys

like idk 7-8+

[ruby whale]

oh lol

[jaunty blaze]

wdym you dont like casting starfire for 5 seconds

[ruby whale]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/642466032983867392/1457573213813866700/CAILLOU_RODAVE.gif

[cedar forge]

I'm not even rolling chicken in open world content.

[jaunty blaze]

i mean thats the best recommendation for now

[cedar forge]

Be bear. Be indestructible. Murder everything in your way

[flint dove]

quick question, do talents that mention starsurge also work with starfall? FOr intance "Stellar amplification"?

[craggy sonnet]

nope

starfall benefits from the dmg effect of stellar amp tho

[jolly delta]

is there a dungeon WA alternative or is that completely dead?

[keen bloom]

Numbers aside, does boomie feel worse than ever to play?
Why is eclipse on gcd? Feels like im walking without knees

[void jacinth]

just check the bible (larias weekly checklist) when you feel lost

[tropic pollen]

I don't like it either, but I think that' an unpopular opinion. I'm sure I'll adjust.

[lucid olive]

there is a "targeted spells" addon that alerts you when you're being casted on

thats about it though i think

there's also a "m+ cd tracker" thing but i think it requires you to click the icon when they use it or something

cause you can't actually track it

[kindred token]

I feel bad for Druids at the moment :/

[jolly delta]

resto is still fun and strong

bear is still strong

[jolly delta]

unforch, ty

[lofty depot]

Because casting 2 starfires was so fast

It's half a gcd and it's instant cast

[lofty depot]

It's popular with frogs

[potent cargo]

the fr*nch?

[lofty depot]

Worse

The uninspired

[lucid olive]

It's on GCD because it's a much better decision than having it off GCD

"all cooldown should be off GCD" is some slogan that gets repeated forever and people don't have a clue what it means

[lofty depot]

Think most major CDs are off gcd?

[lucid olive]

yeah

eclipse isn't a major cd but yeah

[lofty depot]

Minor CDs like trees and foe arent

Yea ik

[lucid olive]

think you can compare it more to something like

storm ele

[lofty depot]

Just using example as ur big is... Ur smaller ones arent

[lucid olive]

or any of the warrior mini CDs

[lofty depot]

Storm keeper has a cast time

[lucid olive]

yeah thats why i didnt say stormkeeper nerd

[lofty depot]

Well no, I'm using an example for things that could be worse but still on gcd

[lucid olive]

there also used to be a plethora of bugs tied to spellqueueing into Eclipse etc and having it off GCD would just mean a lot more bugs

it would also make the rotation feel incredibly sequence-y since you would want to press the exact same sequence of buttons when you enter Eclipse

[red nymph]

30x the damage of balance? ez

[lofty depot]

aug sims hell ya

[kindred token]

Sims are out?

[lofty depot]

aug sims are fake

[lucid olive]

you've been able to sim yourself for well over a week

the accuracy of it is just up in the air

[lofty depot]

95% accurate

[lucid olive]

the only thing i can think of is orbit breaker AP thing

[lofty depot]

well ur other added asp on wraths

[lucid olive]

i dont think that matters

[lofty depot]

cuz its roughly the same ap diff from OB

[lucid olive]

the point clankz made was fine

[lofty depot]

20 asp is 20 asp

gain too much

[lucid olive]

well its not too much for the Wrath thing really

if you Wrath 3 times at max range then the last Wrath cast will end after combat starts

and you gain AP from it

the only weird thing in the sim is that it Moonfires at 0.00.000 but gains the AP from that Wrath at 0.00.100

but it rly doesnt matter

if you want to be fully accurate you make the Moonfire go off at 0.00.100

[kindred token]

How come it's at 0:00:000?

[lucid olive]

because thats when combat starts

and moonfire is the first global

[lofty depot]

but yea, sim has like 10 orbit breakers gaining 350 asp... (so its over capping at places i suppose)....

suppose it might be easier to not overcap asp if ob only gains 24 asp

so only 100 asp diff?

[lucid olive]

I think there was some bug previously where OB gave full value in-game

[lofty depot]

yea

it used to gain 40 asp

eithera bug or they let the 60% effectiveness not effect asp gain

the only reason i thought about it was i was doing dummy test on for chancel on asp gain for dots..... cuz the moonfire thing wasnt adding up and got an OB proc and noticed it wasnt 40

was like wait a second :/

[light seal]

so after simmin. i ques i wont be trolling if i show up to raid as a bear to dps.

[lucid olive]

well

considering raid bosses tend to have mechanics that only go on tanks

i would probably abstain from doing that

[lofty depot]

i will be bear dpsing

and u cant stop me

[gusty sluice]

wich one guys?

[kindred token]

What about feral? lol

[lofty depot]

do i look like a furry

hmmm

cant speak that language but can educated guess

vers yucky

[high vapor]

do you keep your procs (Starweavers Warp, Starweavers Weft, Touch of Cosmos) until you enter eclipse or Incarnation to use them? or you use them immediately to avoid waste extra procs?

[lofty depot]

sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

depending on how far away your eclipse or ca is u would likely hold a proc... the problem does come when ur close to capping asp

pooling feels correct because of the solstice procs and getting those damage events in your cds

[high vapor]

I see

another issue I have is Treants .. Guides say to use Treants just before Incarnation. On the other hand Treants help with moonfire dots and you should first use your dots before casting Incarnation.. so in case of M+ pull like 5-6 mobs or more:

1. Apply Sunfire/Moonfire myself then cast Treants/Incarnation?
2. Apply Sunfire, Cast Treants / Incarnation then fill the rest of moonfires (Treants are really slow applying moonfires)
3. Apply sunfire, use Treants / Incarnation and resume the rest of rotation ignoring moonfires ?

[lucid olive]

Uuuh, neither of those

1 is the most correct

but it requires some in-the-moment math

[lofty depot]

u dont press trees because they moonfire

[lucid olive]

Say you are pulling a pack of 10 mobs

[high vapor]

the good thing is that in M+ builds not use Treants for now (incoming tuning thought)

[lucid olive]

You know that your Treants will Moonfire at least 4 mobs not including Twin Moons

[kindred token]

So we don't have to press moonfire?

[lofty depot]

u might be surprised

[lucid olive]

You do

[high vapor]

I know I just want to know if let treants to moonfire or do it myself before incarnation

[lofty depot]

u should be dotting things as theyre being gathered

[lucid olive]

^

[lofty depot]

u should be dotting things

[high vapor]

thats not always the case though, you may start a fight and mobs already stacked

[lofty depot]

ok

so u dot them

[kindred token]

@lucid olive @lofty depot Thank you! 🙂

[lucid olive]

You can for sure do like "Treants will Moonfire at least 4 targets, so if I pull 10 targets, then I need to Moonfire 3 times in order for my Treants to do the rest"

But the most consistent thing is always to just spread Moonfire as the pull is being gathered

[lucid olive]

Well in this situation you are pulling only 1 pack

[high vapor]

I see got it

[lucid olive]

And should probably look into getting a better tank

The core gameplay of Moonkin in dungeons is to play nameplate whack-a-mole while you spread Moonfire

and then Sunfire when all the mobs are gathered

before starting your cooldowns

You more or less ignore that your Treants also apply Moonfire since you should just be applying it yourself while the pull is being gathered

[high vapor]

I see

is there a maximum number of moonfires to apply? I mean if fighting 10+ mobs, should we apply moonfire to all? or we can apply 5-6

[lofty depot]

depends how long they live

generally yes u should be dotting all of them

[high vapor]

last questions:

1. Starfall is used for 2+ enemies. Does that mean we enter lunar eclipse on 2+ enemies to boost Starfall?
2. if not the above, and we are in Solar eclipse, do we still use starfall in 2+ enemies?

[lofty depot]

no it doesnt

lunar has nothing to do with starfall

u can solar and starfall just hte same

[lucid olive]

what @lofty depot said

Starfall/Starsurge is Astral dmg and gets equally buffed by Solar/Lunar Eclipse

So which Eclipse you enter has nothing to do with which spender you cast

[lofty depot]

u go into the eclipse u want based on what filler u are using.... u i think are wrathing up to 3 targets in keeper.. so ur solar eclipsing those and then starfalling

vs EC ur always in lunar so spending asp is based on target count

[high vapor]

oh thought Starfall is arcane and Starsurge is fire.. ok then <= 3 targets Solar and > 3 is Lunar got it

for keepers of course

[lucid olive]

yeah

[lofty depot]

Spenders are astral

[lucid olive]

Damage school also does not actually matter

but it's easier to explain as if they do

[lofty depot]

Tell that to my wrath that does less damage in lunar

[kindred token]

It does say it's a bug "Druid sims are untested and full of bugs. RESULTS ARE UNRELIABLE."?

[lofty depot]

Do u think the sim spits that out or do u think someone put that note there

[lucid olive]

yeah because Starfire is flagged in Lunar spelldata and Wrath isn't

[kindred token]

It's the sim

[lucid olive]

explain why arcane affinity increases Wrath dmg then arctic

[lofty depot]

Bugged

Clearly

[kindred token]

Yeah

Gamz is smart

xD

[lucid olive]

what I said has 0 to do with what you were talking about

[lofty depot]

Why doesn't OB full moon proc exposure but full moon cast does

Stupid flags

[lucid olive]

This message is just a disclaimer the module author put in so people won't get confused when their sim loses or gains 10k dmg overnight

[kindred token]

This?

[lofty depot]

No other message

[lucid olive]

Yes, that red message is there as a disclaimer that the module can still have bugs

It's like when you buy a Microwave

And there is a big red triangle sign on the box that says "do not put animal inside"

[lofty depot]

People buy microwaves?

My house just have one, free

[kindred token]

lmao, what kind of example is that

[lucid olive]

yeah you prob picked it up at the shelter

[lofty depot]

I can give u another if u like

[kindred token]

No lol

[lucid olive]

It's like when your Coca Cola bottle has a "This Side Up ⬆️" label on it

[lofty depot]

When ur driving and there's a yield sign u know so u pay attention to ur surroundings

[high vapor]

does anyone use Convoke the spirits? Do we pair it with Celestial Alignment? (when low on astral power of course)

[lucid olive]

yes

Usually you press CA with a good amount of AP

and then spend it all before pressing Convoke

[lofty depot]

Trees on CD.
Always CA with trees
always convoke with ca

[lucid olive]

mmmm

1m convoke doesnt do with CA

i'd rather say always convoke with trees

2m convoke lines up naturally with CA that way

and 1m convoke on 3m you send with treants+solar

[lofty depot]

When's the last time we played 1m convoke

[lucid olive]

this tier if you decide to talent it

it's not that far behind

and its better than 2m

since bounteous bloom change

[lofty depot]

there was 2 people that played 1m convoke on court

[lucid olive]

some played it on mugzee too

[stone ledge]

There was some late farm kills on oab with it

[lucid olive]

[lofty depot]

U play convoke next tier u will be shamed

That's on jah

[flint dove]

The talent "feeline swiftness" does it only work in cat form? It doesn't say anything on the talent

[lucid olive]

no

good talent

1 point for 15% move speed better than most talents its competing with

[high vapor]

eclipse does not also boost astral damage? I mean does Starsurge/Starfall do 15% more damage in any eclipse?

[lucid olive]

I think technically they do 7.5% more damage per Eclipse

[high vapor]

besides the procs you get while you enter eclipse

[lucid olive]

and then 15% with CA/Incarn up

[lofty depot]

astral damage is nature and arcane

[high vapor]

yeap

I see, so 15% Nature damage = 7.5% astral

so we rarely use finishers outside eclipse unless about to cap astral and have no cooldown on eclipse

[lucid olive]

sure

i have a feeling you might be overthinking

but if thats how you want to learn then keep at it

[high vapor]

yea I always do that lol 😛

[lucid olive]

damage schools aren't actually relevant for anything

[high vapor]

well we used to have hekili but now...

[lucid olive]

now you have the in-game assisted highlight

[high vapor]

I cant rely on blizzard assistance cause I think is not good

[lucid olive]

that does the exact same thing?

[lofty depot]

"we"

[lucid olive]

you couldn't rely on hekili either

[lofty depot]

the fuck we using hekili for

[high vapor]

but in all specs I read is like 15% behind

[lucid olive]

so is hekili

[lofty depot]

u think hekili wasnt behind?

[high vapor]

I thought hekili was using simc

[lucid olive]

and when they say 15% behind they usually mean the one-button

and not assisted highlight

[lofty depot]

lol

[high vapor]

ok so if I follow blizzard assistant (not 1 button), I am good right?

[lofty depot]

define good

[lucid olive]

hekili tries to recreate the APL, but the quality in APL varies spec by spec

[high vapor]

I mean not underperforming

[lucid olive]

that depends on the quality of the rest of your group

[lofty depot]

ur underperforming with everything u have stated u have used

[high vapor]

I see

[lucid olive]

I'm a pretty decent player but if I played in Liquid I would be underperforming

[lofty depot]

u know how u dont underperform

[lucid olive]

but if I played in Arctic's guild I would be overperforming

[lofty depot]

learn how to play the game

nah

my old guild

[high vapor]

ok so then to make my comment better, if I learn the class very good, how much more dmg i can do from blizz assistance

[lucid olive]

Class            : Druid
School           : Physical
Spell Type       : None
Duration         : 15 seconds
Labels           : 16: Class Spells
                 : 21: Druid Spells
                 : 292
Affecting Spells : Soul of the Forest (114107 effect#1), Starfall (191034 effect#2), Umbral Intensity (383195 effect#1)
Family Flags     : 59
Attributes       : No Aura Cancel (31), No Threat (42), Floating Combat Text On Cast (198), Aura Points On Client (268), Allow Class Ability Procs (416), Nameplate Personal Buffs/Debuffs (423)
Aura Interrupt   : Enter World (22), Change Specialization (38), Change Talent (46), Change Glyph (47)
Effects          :
#1 (id=40692)    : Apply Aura (6) | Add Percent Modifier (108): Spell Direct Amount (0)
                   Base Value: 15 | Scaled Value: 15 | Target: Self (1)
                   Affected Spells: Wrath (5176), Starfall (50286), Starsurge (78674), Fungal Growth (81281), Wild Mushroom (88747), Wild Mushroom (88751), Sunfire (164815), Wrath (190984), Starfall (191034), Starfall (191037), Starsurge (197626), Stellar Flare (202347), Shooting Stars (202497), Fury of Elune (202770), Fury of Elune (211545), New Moon (274281), Half Moon (274282), Full Moon (274283), Fury of Elune (281871), Fury of Elune (365640), Fury of Elune (394111), Crashing Star (408310), Sunseeker Mushroom (468936), Sunseeker Mushroom (468938), Starsurge (1271222), Shooting Stars (1272339), Sunseeker Mushroom (1280212), Fungal Growth (1280213), Starfall (1286243), Starfall (1286247)
                   Family Flags: 0, 23, 55, 63, 88, 89, 105, 116, 127```

This is the SpellData entry for Solar Eclipse

See the line that says "affecting spells"

and then a bunch of spells after

that's what spells are buffed by Solar Eclipse

[lofty depot]

depends on ur skill

more skill more dam

[lucid olive]

dmg school isn't really relevant

[lofty depot]

how can i put a number on something when idk ur skill

ill roll a dice

one sec

[high vapor]

that what I am asking btw

[lofty depot]

9% better

[high vapor]

if I master the class

how much is the difference

[dense steeple]

We dont know how much dam you're doing now

[high vapor]

so to know if its worth the effort

[dense steeple]

How would we know the dif

[lofty depot]

well its worth the effort playing the game

[high vapor]

forget me

[lucid olive]

is this ragebait

[stone ledge]

Go to wcl sort a fight from bottom parse to top parse boom there’s the difference

[high vapor]

lets say you know the class perfect

how much more damage YOU do from blizzard assistance

[lucid olive]

0

blizzard assistance and hekili are both dogshit tools

if you know the class then you don't need either of them

[high vapor]

I dont ragebait, sorry if it seems like it

[stone ledge]

They are made specifically for accessibility reasons

[dense steeple]

Why use bad tools if know class

[stone ledge]

Not to teach you a class

[lofty depot]

why would i need blizzard assistance if i knoew how to play thje class perfect

[lucid olive]

also if you "master the class" you will already have realized that none of this shit matters

[lofty depot]

me confusion

[stone ledge]

Read the guide 100 more times

[lucid olive]

someone post the "haha i press buttons" picture

reading guide waste of time

go hit training dummy

[lucid olive]

then queue for pug raids for 20 hours

[lofty depot]

should start questioning cuz ive been curious what the point is to using hekili or 1 button

like do u not like playing the game and learning how to plkay ur class

cuz neither of those help

[kindred token]

^ True

[lofty depot]

and u still use them regardless of u thinking ur "learning"

[lucid olive]

people want different things from the game

[lofty depot]

so u never learned and are still using it

play games to be bad at them?

play games to have computer play it for me?

[dense steeple]

Yeah like the feral did telling me feral is really strong and definitely can't be beat by guardian

[lucid olive]

playing games to have fun with them

improving and not doesn't matter

[lofty depot]

u have fun being bad?

[lucid olive]

for most people

[kindred token]

I don't use either of these, I like to press them manually

[lucid olive]

I think it's actually more rare for someone to start a new game and then put all of their effort into being good at it

Most people just don't care

[lofty depot]

im rare

[dense steeple]

We call that autism

Where I'm from

[lofty depot]

that too

[lucid olive]

And even the people that say they care about improving just stop caring once they reach the cognitive dissonance stage

[high vapor]

exaclty.. personally I dont enjoy executing a rotation, but I do enjoy follow boss mechanics

[lucid olive]

Because learning that you've done something wrong/misunderstood something can make your entire progress up to that point feel wasted

[lofty depot]

everytime cs comes out with a new map i open game and find smokes to throw

then post them on funny website for it

[lucid olive]

Most games I play I don't really care about improving on

especially FPS games

I just play those because I enjoy spending time with my friends

[lofty depot]

how do u kill boss if u dont do damage

just out here dodging swirlies

[dense steeple]

Easy you play boomkin and let others kill boss for you

[lucid olive]

swirlies are a mythic mechanic

[frigid yoke]

We all dont do dmg annyway. We r playing boomkin 🤣

[lucid olive]

idk I was blasting m0s yesterday

top dps on bosses with 40 less ilvl than the other guys

maybe skull issue

[lofty depot]

who is we

[lofty depot]

they were using 1 button

[kindred token]

@lucid olive Do you press spells manually too?

[dense steeple]

Hes using 1 button

Since he's mastered the class it does the most damage for him

[lucid olive]

Don't say that please, they might believe you

[lofty depot]

he clicks them

with a mouse

[lucid olive]

I press buttons on my keyboard manually yes

[kindred token]

I’m just making sure guys lol

[kindred token]

I’m she lol

[lucid olive]

my bad

[dense steeple]

Changed pfp to prove it too

Goated

[lofty depot]

could be fake

[kindred token]

No lol

[dense steeple]

What if we all changed our pfp to our left hands

I think that would be a fun meme for a day

[lofty depot]

@turtle

[dense steeple]

[lucid olive]

@teal sphinx

[teal sphinx]

https://tenor.com/view/pour-drink-pouring-alcohol-respect-gif-9283896756814937503

[jolly delta]

bring turtle back

[mossy rampart]

You guys been running more grove or elune for dungeons

[lucid olive]

keeper

[dense steeple]

gamz what do you sim at rn

[lofty depot]

Dotc

[lofty depot]

We simming gear 236 no tier?

[dense steeple]

yea

but no?

236 is like last week gear level

[lofty depot]

That's bad ass

Ok rat

[dense steeple]

i got more characters in the 240s than msot have in the 230s

[wild dune]

https://tenor.com/view/touching-grass-touch-gif-21219969

[dense steeple]

im sick, cant go outside

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9pvTfzb1mY4adSLvXfDeWw big simmer

[uncut roost]

Someone got lucky in their m0s

[stone ledge]

Cries in 3 sets of leather stacked m0’s coming out 232

[dense steeple]

just loot

[uncut roost]

[lucid olive]

who sims before season starts

seems like a massive waste of time

[dense steeple]

it was 3 clicks

im just trying to see if youre building the apl off your character or off objective info about our class

[lucid olive]

you can find the profile used for the APL in pins

[dense steeple]

like my good friend 3OH!3 said, never trust these hos

[lucid olive]

idk what that is

[dense steeple]

before your time

[wild dune]

holy based unc

[lucid olive]

definitely not before my time

pretty sure we're around the same age

[dense steeple]

i'm 33

[lucid olive]

i'm 31

[dense steeple]

we couldve been friends in high school

[lofty depot]

Ita ok, just do m0s with soma next week so he can trade me gear

[dense steeple]

you gonna pay me to come

[lofty depot]

Now we're talking

[drifting nova]

na no way theres a hemet quest in silvermoon

blizzoard wtf

[dense steeple]

theres a hemet quest in every xpac wdym

[drifting nova]

...except its picture the wildlife

in silvermoon

[dense steeple]

picture it

[drifting nova]

nice to see astral smolder didnt leave

it just..moved to apex

[lucid olive]

it did get changed

[stuck blaze]

trying balance out right now in m0`s and wowhead and icy veins got 2 different builds. Is there one to prefer?

[lofty depot]

the one u enjoy

both are fine until we figure out later what is best for certain key levels

[edgy quarry]

Hi everyone ! I was wondering to change race, is Haranir good race for balance ? I know it's micro optimisation...

[lucid olive]

Which race you are doesn't really matter

Play the one that you feel look coolest

[lofty depot]

meld is the best racial for druids

and look the coolest

[drifting nova]

they all look the same in chicken

[obtuse jungle]

fire chicken is nice ❤️

[tribal vale]

haranir until i hate life for not having meld

[lofty depot]

so in 2 weeks when u need meld

[high vapor]

its me again, overthinking 😂 . if you finish killing one pack and move to next pack and still have eclipse buff active, do you start with dots? or use Starfall/Starsurge/Wrath/Starfire until eclipse is over

[lucid olive]

always start with dots

[high vapor]

ok thanks!

next question, you fight multiply mobs and you activate lunar eclipse.. some mobs die and you left with 1-2 mobs but still on lunar eclipse, you cast starfire or wrath?

[lucid olive]

wrath on 1 target starfire on 2

[high vapor]

thanks again 😛

[lofty depot]

unless ur playing EC

[dull dust]

2 levels a night

I can do it

[lofty depot]

??

[dull dust]

[lofty depot]

go spam delve

2 levels 1 hour

[dull dust]

I have been

[lofty depot]

slow as fuck boi

[dull dust]

nah that's shot took way longer

ur lies

[lofty depot]

??

[dull dust]

I was doing 4m runs and its like 10%

[lofty depot]

skill issue

4m runs?

ur doing it wrong

[dull dust]

show me route

[exotic perch]

damn why yall hate leveling so much

guild requiring 10 characters?

[lofty depot]

?? pull the quest mob.. walk up the hill pull the left set, pull the 2 steelgaurds
run down hill stand on 3 steelgaurds, pull the other 2 on otherside of rock
kill
leave delve

questing is cringe

delve spam is vibe

[dull dust]

I was pulling the entire instance

[lofty depot]

idiot

[dull dust]

[wild dune]

[dull dust]

bear things

[lofty depot]

u pull the instance if its the other 2

but this one, theres 7 steelgaurds at the entrance and only 3 beyond that

takes way longer

[dull dust]

which instance

I did 2 differnt ones

[drifting nova]

midnight levelling is cheeks

[dull dust]

I was doing the one in silvermoon and sgp

[lofty depot]

sgp

[dull dust]

so i just pull like 10mobs?

[lofty depot]

ye

in and out like 1m

[dull dust]

aight

still doing 2 levels a day tho

[lofty depot]

....

[dull dust]

I got stuff todo!

[lofty depot]

no more tech for u

spit

[dull dust]

[plucky valley]

I hit 90 by completing the entire campaign and then every quest in silvermoon and eversong because I love silvermoon and eversong

On my f*ral druid alt I have hit lvl 85 from nothing but gathering

[dull dust]

I wonder what the xp a hour is just getting herbs and ore

[plucky valley]

It’s not very low

Each node picked is like 1300exp

[dull dust]

so like 10 nodes is a quest

so pretty shit

[plucky valley]

Leveling altogether isn’t very fast I don’t think

You must have patience youngslay

[dull dust]

nah blizz wants us to take it slow and enjoy ourselves

[plucky valley]

Well that tactic has worked on me fr

Im a sucker for elf aesthetics

There was something else I was gonna say

I can’t remember

[dull dust]

I took the first char slow too

but alts are just purely pain

[plucky valley]

Oh I remember now

I really hated leveling in tww

Miss me with that dwarven mess

[dull dust]

the tww zones and df zones were pretty boring imo

[plucky valley]

Mhm

[dull dust]

I like seeing crazy landscape not just more trees

[plucky valley]

Dornogal is such a bleak zone

disgusting

Er I mean isle of dorn but w/e

[drifting nova]

wdym you havent flown into a tree in midnight?

[dull dust]

mostly yellow celery

[edgy quarry]

ahahaha thanks for your answer 😉

[dull dust]

dead chat

[lofty depot]

dead spec

[dull dust]

chicken will rise again

im hiding the 110k apl

[jaunty blaze]

[edgy quarry]

I'm very surpise about wowhead talent in raid ! they took fury of elune and no convok ! What do u think about it guys ? 🙂

[lofty depot]

convoke boring

[edgy quarry]

for sure i agree with u

But in amount on damage ? Isn't it higher ?

[lofty depot]

well clearly not if its taking incarn

[dull dust]

[lofty depot]

think they post a guide with worse talents for fun?

[dull dust]

no gamz is a g

[potent cargo]

honorary G

[dull dust]

I trust him with my wife in a hotel room alone

[edgy quarry]

no no i'm questionning, reading, comapring trying to understand what they want to do 🙂

And Icy veins play totaly different ! Using rattle the star instead of starweaver and using convok

That's why i'm questionning and trying to understand everything

[lofty depot]

maybe icyveins guide is old and out of date

[edgy quarry]

Last updated on Feb 26, 2026 at 02:00 by Bora so maybe yes...

By gamz Updated: 2026/03/06 on wowhead

[potent cargo]

things will change

[edgy quarry]

thanks for your answers 🙂

[vital hound]

does it for the bag pre sure

[wraith basin]

so in aoe situation with elune chosen, do you necessary need to still pay that much attention to starlord stacks? With all the procs, I feel like its super easy to get up to 3 stacks even when you have no resources pooled

[lofty depot]

its not something that is really hard to deal with no

[vast isle]

Hey peeps what are we doing with sparks? saving them or is there a BiS piece we should craft sooner?

[dull dust]

[lofty depot]

ur not doing anything with ur sparks yet

[wraith basin]

thanks, trying to rework my UI. Guess I can boot my starlord buff to more non essential section

nm I probably still need to track it for single target purposes since I doubt I will get enough procs there

sigh I miss weakauras

[brisk flint]

guys, whats the state of balance rn

is it good or no

[vital hound]

[potent cargo]

bad

[lofty depot]

can u qualify good

[dull dust]

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-fine-fire-house-burning-okay-gif-5263684

[brisk flint]

idk

tell me

[potent cargo]

its not great but

if you have to ask the question

it's not gonna matter for u if that makes sense

[lofty depot]

well its not very good, but thats not to say u cant play it in raid

[vital hound]

polite flame

[brisk flint]

dayum

[lofty depot]

everyone worried about damage could just play better than their other raiders and be fine

[drifting nova]

..so take them out?

so they cant do damage?

[brisk flint]

idc im playing mage

[drifting nova]

https://tenor.com/view/raccoon-hehehe-gift-racoon-hand-gif-775074914789379772

[brisk flint]

just asking

[vital hound]

[jolly delta]

if people in a class discord are telling you "well it's not the best but you can play it if you like it"

it just means one thing

[dull dust]

it means u should play mage

[loud kettle]

Yea not to play it or u will be made fun of

[brisk flint]

so what should i play as an alter

[potent cargo]

what do you need an alt for

because if it's not for a specific reason it really should just be something you enjoy

[brisk flint]

for fun?

[dull dust]

🍝

[potent cargo]

yeh so you answer your own question really play something you like

but then how do you personally quantify what you like

bc its personal

i hate warlock but its my alt bc boomy is bad and warlock is strong

my other alts are things i enjoy playing playstyle/aesthetic wise

[plucky valley]

Ignore everything you’ve been told and everything you’ve been thinking. The answer is beast mastery hunter.

[potent cargo]

true n real

[maiden pasture]

i think im reaching the true potential of moonkin

i can NOT do this world quest

[loud kettle]

Can you actually not

[maiden pasture]

it took me like

over 5m

to do this wq

[jolly delta]

hello brother in intellectual slowness

🤝

I am starting contracting work for an american client and I'm forced to do mandatory active assailant preparedness training

1. they know im working remotely from germany tf do I have to do with this

2. classic america where everyone is running with their guns out

[delicate perch]

can never be too safe with NA I guess..

[lofty depot]

u fix the website yet

[jolly delta]

yo they have a training video with a guy that looks like vin diesel shooting people with a shotgun

can't make this shit up

[tulip snow]

don't bring canada into this 😭

[drifting nova]

dont do it, not worth your braincells

[jolly delta]

wym dont do it

its mandatory

[drifting nova]

no..I mean work under american rules

[lucid olive]

you know what else you shouldn't do

and that isnt mandatory

[jolly delta]

yes

not doing any of the 3 things

[lucid olive]

interacting with kekkers

[jolly delta]

4 things

[drifting nova]

thats defo mandatory

hero of dreamgrove

[lucid olive]

you're a man and tory

[drifting nova]

tory?

I bite my thumb at thee

[lucid olive]

prob voted brexit

[drifting nova]

technically..not wrong

I flipped a coin

[jolly delta]

https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/s/QCZYrBNf2c

voidstorm and harandar are cut content

[drifting nova]

void being pre karesh makes sense

[jolly delta]

eversong and zulaman existing zones

[drifting nova]

still dont know why theres a brann photograph wq in silvermoon

[lucid olive]

we have known about harandar being cut for a while

[jolly delta]

the fuck did blizzard do for 2 years

[potent cargo]

bro on god these zones

are fuckass

[drifting nova]

that says to photo the wildlife

[potent cargo]

they make no sense

i dont read any quest text

[delicate perch]

LMAO

[potent cargo]

but its like why

[lucid olive]

haranir barbershop otions literally got datamined on wowhead before War Within even launched

[potent cargo]

like bro why is there a white power dreadlord all of a sudden

and why am i killing him

[drifting nova]

I think my most hated area is the lightbloom one

[delicate perch]

me seeing some idiot we just fought and killed in a story quest pop up at camp and be our friend??

[drifting nova]

in eversong

[lucid olive]

did you see the conspiracy that the haranir are evil

[delicate perch]

that's just people being racist

[drifting nova]

I'm still trying to work out where the roots are coming from

is harandar physically below azeroth

[lucid olive]

no

[drifting nova]

then where do the roots come from

[lucid olive]

azeroth is a planet so it can not be below it

it is inside azeroth

[drifting nova]

yes, below

??

does below mean something to you that it doesnt to me

[lucid olive]

below the surface of azeroth and not below azeroth

[ornate girder]

[lucid olive]

but yeah the roots come from the world trees

[drifting nova]

but theres only 1

[lucid olive]

do you think the roots of teldrassil burned as well

[drifting nova]

the roots of the nelf tree that are in harandar are BELOW azeroth

[lucid olive]

if you go outside and you set a tree on fire

and you come back the next day

[drifting nova]

I LITERALLY JUST DID THE WORLD QUEST

[lucid olive]

is there a root formed hole in the ground??

[drifting nova]

TO PUT THE TELDRASSIL FIRES OUT

[lucid olive]

apparently the world tree that makes up the cradle in Harandar was the one made by Eonar

Elunahir or something?

[wild dune]

put out the 10 fires to save the world tree 🤟

[potent cargo]

where is the harandar world

[lucid olive]

also the Rift of Aln in Harandar is where you fight Xavius in Emerald Nightmare

[potent cargo]

bc its not on the map right

[wild dune]

i love harandir, the bgm being literally avatar was great

[drifting nova]

I CAN SAVE HER..OR HIM WHATEVER THE TREE IS

[jolly delta]

anyways, I dont really care about the zones and open world as long as dungeons/classes are good

[wild dune]

same but its still funny

[jolly delta]

and to be honest, even if there's nothing to do rn i'm kinda having fun

but

[wild dune]

cut content + rebuilt zones for an entire expac is uh

hmm

[jolly delta]

leaves a real sour taste in my mouth

like honestly wtf

[drifting nova]

some of the dungeons are giga long

and/or scaled poorly

[jolly delta]

now add on top of that the mountain of issues

slopcoded shit

errors everywhere

[drifting nova]

need to buy my house today

before I forgetti

[wild dune]

ig the main expac feature was housing

[potent cargo]

they will be saved I guess

[wild dune]

not the world itself

[potent cargo]

by no valorstone change

that is enough to make ppl want to play the game

[jolly delta]

you mean the feature where they can just reuse any asset in the game and give it to the players?

"hey yeah here's meaningful rewards"

a candle

[wild dune]

remember all the actual good stuff is paywalled

[potent cargo]

arent the things fkn expensive too

[lucid olive]

Housing is cool, I enjoyed the mirror delve where you carry it and drop it down

[jolly delta]

you know what fucks me the most

[potent cargo]

i saw someone on reddit whinging that a tree cost like 700 marl

which seems like a lot to me because i only have 700

[lucid olive]

But holy shit if they ever do the housing mechanic in a raid fight I am crashing out

[wild dune]

how

i have 12k

[potent cargo]

and it's 1:1 not even 1 per infinite

[jolly delta]

is that I need to fucking go to some random ass zone in draenor and farm rep + currency to get a crumb of table

[loud kettle]

They reduced the price of that tree

Because of the complaints

Was very funny

[jolly delta]

and then i need to buy each table one buy one

[wild dune]

its just an evergreen time sink

[jolly delta]

and god forbids I forget one table

like why the fuck cant I buy them in the housing area

???

[wild dune]

whats that word

friction

[potent cargo]

it really is wild tho isnt it

[wild dune]

🐒

[potent cargo]

reuse assets

0 effort

[jolly delta]

friction in my ass while im getting fucked by blizz

[drifting nova]

wdym it takes eaffort to duplicate that asset

[lucid olive]

depends on the age of the assets innit

lot of old pre-Legion assets have only 1 side and stuff

[jolly delta]

yeah do you think they reworked those?

lmao

[lucid olive]

they did

[jolly delta]

they just added the good ones

[lucid olive]

they reworked a bunch of old assets

you can watch the dev interviews they did with the housing devs over a year ago

the housing dev team is also mostly independent from the rest of the dev team

[jolly delta]

do I look like someone that cares about what the devs have to say

[lucid olive]

blizzard bought up an indie studio specifically to work on housing

[mighty mica]

you're clearly complaining about it like someone who does

[lucid olive]

no youre just screaming at the clouds cause you think its funny

[jolly delta]

no im screaming at the clouds cause I didnt get a chance to rant about it yet

[lofty depot]

thyme spotting

[jolly delta]

im done now thanks

[junior thicket]

wouldnt balance be fine if blizzard buffed our dmg outside eclipse a bit

[dull dust]

thyme has keywords that can summon him

beware

[drifting nova]

something something more devs on housing than the rest of the game

[mighty mica]

we don't have that bot here

[dull dust]

damn

add it

[lofty depot]

we've talked aobut ai multiple times and he hasnt said shit

[mighty mica]

they wouldn't

[dull dust]

I wanna use osrs as my safe word

[drifting nova]

yeah but like thats not fun, probably what the blizzard internal survey suggests

thyme too busy doing rc

[lucid olive]

i miss cshpendium

[lofty depot]

real

[drifting nova]

I've only been doing farm contracts the past month

[jolly delta]

I never bothered doing crafting because I was convinced no one in their right mind would bother paying for WQ level crafted gear

turns out im wrong and people spend way too much gold on that

[lofty depot]

crafted tools are 30k right now aswell

[jolly delta]

yeah but like crafted tools make sense

its the only way you can get them, people are doing professions etc

but why would someone spend 6k for a 210 piece of gear is beyond me

[lofty depot]

nodders

[drifting nova]

prob shouldve figured out how to get majestic feathers last week instead of now prob too late

[glossy jungle]

was 150k for 220 leather or cloth boots the other day 🙂

[jolly delta]

not on my realm

or well, crafted ones

just sold a 220 veteran boe for 40k

[potent cargo]

wild bc like

there will be a wq with that item in the next few days anyway

i had 180 gloves or something and instead of buying ijust wait 2 days and today 220 ones spawned

same logic as ppl crafting rn

[vital hound]

230 gear just spawned as well

lol

[potent cargo]

gotta get max gear just for what

[glossy jungle]

how uppercaseg going mate?

[potent cargo]

Prime for the main swap bro

assuming you play demo in raid

its actually kinda fun i dont mind it

dont have to use my brain at all

[dull dust]

[potent cargo]

I felt like that lorgok clip the first time i did this wq

[jolly delta]

can't wait for this to be nerfed

[pseudo merlin]

??????

[dull dust]

its lore

go type osrs in evoker disc

[pseudo merlin]

You think I'm EVER going to set foot in that fucking cesspool

[dull dust]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-shield-bashing-warrior-banging-gif-4338452386513641626

[wooden owl]

Hey everyone 👋 what's the best for m+? Elune's Chosen or KotG?

[lofty depot]

cant tell cuz m+ isnt out

[pseudo merlin]

go EC

[lofty depot]

tuning happens as well

play whjat u want, it wont matter until ur trying to slam later

[glossy jungle]

232? you get no gear from m0s?

[pseudo merlin]

calm down

both my chars are 231 with full m0 clears

😩

[glossy jungle]

unlucky

[pseudo merlin]

got like 5 trinkets tho 🙂

smiley face

and 3 belts

and 2 bracers

[potent cargo]

nah rip

next week tho surely

[glossy jungle]

just in time for boomy buffs

[dull dust]

[vernal halo]

Thinking on leveling up and playing a balance druid, how is it this xpac?

[pseudo merlin]

terrible

[lofty depot]

what u gonna do on said balance druid

pretty good at farming herbs

[vernal halo]

Probably maybe Delves, low keys, normal mode raids

super casual, not anything serious with this one

[lofty depot]

its fun to play, just low on tuning

so for what ur doing, sure b fine

[drifting nova]

surely every tank gets slapped down right

every single one does too much

[lofty depot]

surely

[drifting nova]

weirdly not seen a paladin or dk yet

[violet fern]

henlo my fellow chmikens are we casting fire stars?

[fossil shard]

sure

[drifting nova]

and now seen my first aug

wish I hadnt

[dull dust]

blizzard will solve the tank shortage by making the tanks all dps

[drifting nova]

idk maybe just maybe the pushing actual damage into only cds for like 80% of classes

and tanks just doing baselined amage

is an issue

[dull dust]

nahh

[lucid olive]

bring back vengeance

not the spec but the stat

[cerulean wagon]

Can’t wait to see the tuning

[drifting nova]

was it hand delves in at 88 or 89 I forgetti