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bfa was whack a mole STF/wrath procs
^ I liked that as well
I hated nothing more than BFA
....
What's that private server called where you can mix and match class abilities
the only thing good was the added aoe to empowerments
if they took those to legion gameplay it would be peak
but outside of that specific 1 thing.... ass
i forgot moons was 20s
bring me back
ok u cant just agree with me after i said ur opinions are shit
But I said I wanted legion boomkin.
Give me stackable starfall with SD, 20s moons and the solar version of EC
I liked bfa but im not saying like it was the best. There’s def a lot wrong with it.
With the new changes though I would wish eclipse wasn’t on the gcd
But we know how that goes now
Well back to original thing. Have you been running ec or keeper for you m0
sf would need to not stack then
yeayeayeyeayea
Says a lot about your opinions
THATS WHAT IM SAYING
easy choice node that
true
@lucid olive Did you play new race yet?
night elf looks better
xd
lmao
trenchcoat man
I have same for like every druid too lol
Anyone know why I only have 1 spark on an alt?
Youre gonna be the guild favourite guy for next reset
can trade anything
because u didnt do the world soul quest
meaning u need to talk to the dude in the inn to skip the campaign quest
probably
still 2 more dungeons
need u in my groups next week
dont worry im still doing no damage
addon of the character sheet ? Looks fine
chonky char
Thanks
we got more gear 🙂
we were in combat
Is boomie performing?
Define performing
Boomy is performative
it shows up if you scroll down far enough
yes
The whole moonkin vibe is anything if not perfomative
Don't judge the spec before the game has any content
I will not join your sandbagging, I need someone to keep me company here at the bottom
we're in this together
In this together! Let’s go!
@pseudo merlin which one next
dk or voidman
yeah probably true
havoc rocks that spec is so fun
level mage cuz frost is giga
ddh is good too
why is it gaumgz that doesn't fit the pattern
outcast just like the dracthyr
so wait do i just send adventurer crests
it was named something else, but i was gonna play aug in splits and the GM didnt know the name so he just wrote "gaumgz"
so i just had to rename
@sour rampart should i just send adventurer crests because theyre useless?
I love how Larias is basically chatGPT
this is the way
yes but no
ok well first of all
send them dork
fuck you
what could i possibly need them for
No enchants? Must be broke
yes: they dont matter
no: you can use them to convert up when turbo boost comes 
turbo boost is like 500 years away wtf
smh..
im sending them

turbo is also after the game is over
long term thinking
turbo boost, i would rather u care they are converting to gold
i mean really
adventurer dont matter at all
veteran don't Really matter
but you want to save 160 veteran to craft embellishments
so
veteran dont matter cuz ur not getting verteran items anyway to do the tech
insane week 1 loot luck
hey you meet my teams ilvl requirement for 14 days from now
m0s dont go daily until the 24th
they go champion on the 17th though

yea ik
craft pvp bracers so you can also free socket them

tww style
god I remember putting that in my guide
prob shouldve been either champ the whole time or daily vet rn at least
do we know what ilvl the crafted pvp stuff is this time
im goated
yeah but im gatekeeping..
oh................
i will never tell people to pvp
cheater
ive been farming honor for the pvp cata heroic week xd
they went through every discord posting their ilvl like they're that larias guy doing a PR tour for his guide
that larias guy is so annoying with that
cant believe him
omg chancel is in this discord
i own this place
unfortunately
wow is that the chancel
glad they nerfed your pulse
abandon all hope
amen

good night friends
?
you've been doing it all day
in wyrmrest
oh sorry

are m+ trinkets just so garbo for us this season that some of them aren't even on the wowhead list lmao
lightspire core
not in m+
im gunna unlock 90k soon
dont worry i got my bis
dont tap the glass
wdym
read the pins
why can't i shift into moonkin form
thats not true or
maybe it's so good you use the m0 version
doesnt seasonal m0 start when they go up to champ
i think they limit the dungeon to normal when its not seasonal
oof
maybe heroic, but think they made heroic seasonal back in TWW
oh lmao
hey guys do u know how I can dissappear that vortex + typhoon? it shows twice
are u tracking it twice in different section?
u should dissappear that wrath, starfire, surge, and starfall while ur at it
I just downloaded a free UI pack, do u recommend another better than this?
these things are no joke...
uuh downloaded one of those but seems worst lol
what part
yeet

Emotional support theorycrafter 🐐

Yes!
Hoooly
Alright, sorry new here, Im struggling rn, looking to get into Mythic dungeons and potentially raiding after a long hiatus from WoW, would Elune's or Keeper be better and why? most guides online just contradict eachother and vouch for both
Keeper of the Grove for raid and Elunes Chosen for m+
Thanks Gamz, any good elune's to check out specifically?
I saw the link above pinned, would that be a good one to follow ?
Would this info also be relevant as of the most recent patch
theres info in the wowhead guide
nice thanks @lofty depot
What build allows me to deal dps within 2 seconds @lucid olive
They vaporate before I can cast my 2second long starfire

Do I stack more haste???
yes stack crit mastery
Haste-mastery, crit, versa in this order
Did the vibes tell you that
did you ask grok if that's true maybe it's not
The wowhead guide was made by gamz
Make sure to clarify to grok to make no mistakes in its answers
I will ponder my orb over it for a while
What about devourer? It’s more fun and specially with AoE stuff
truthnuke

idk how i missed this, sir have you read what this information even is?
spoiler its at the bottom of your screenshot
It says beta m+ yes

Noooo my tsandalari
which loa did you pick @quiet drift ?!
The crit one

paku mate
hey guys, im a bit lost, just join the discord and the two talent build from IV and Wow head are different, any suggestions ?
wow head pick
not matter much anyways
talent close
It doesnt matter(we're trash)
he meant to say we slay trash
Is it just me or do we struggle to even beat tanks in aoe dps unless we press incarn? (yeah i know stuff dies to fast in m0, but still depressing)

I was runnign that for ages i thought it was just giving me a primary stat proc
depends on a tank
i think my dmg was ok in overall, just dogshit on single targit
That was elune though
@ grok is haste bis in slot yes or no
depends if tank is guardian
I hear brew can also pump
Brew and guardian are broken af yea
Rock is this true
why are we not running meteorites/mushrooms instead of wild surges ?
those talents dont rly compete with eachother
wild surges is also like rly good
also u do play mushrooms
and/or meteorites
just depends what builds ur looking at
but u always play wild surges
same

atleast feral frenzy is a button that makes u feel like u contributed something 
idk
Elune
When my tanks gather mob, should I Moonfire every mobs then Sunfire when they are gathered? Because i feel it takes time to catch up ( if I can catch them up ) the other DPS
yes
And when im starved in AP, should I only spam Starfire? Is there any occasion I should Wrath? In M+ context if I play Elunes.
I feel I miss something because I hit like a wet noodle lol
wrath can leave the bars
Btw, u might think meteorites is an AOE talent, it's not.
But nonetheless, most of the time if u think a talent should be ran and it's not..... It's because it sims worse for certain things....
Like right now u could pick between mushrooms/ac/sotf and get similar results on st
ballpark, how many targets before we swap from SSurge to SFall?
3
ty
idk i took wowhead talents
Think it's 2.... Also, spend cosmos procs on Starfall regardless
and they dont have shrooms included
Which one
Yee
they buffed
M0s drop many
and m0 dorp more maybe
Big big
sell fast
spose they are less than 10k now idk
LISTEN HERE
it took me 10hcs to get a hc wep

didnt know you have to do campaign for sojourner so that sucks
Have to do all the quests for sojourner no?
yeah but the non campaign quests
are hidden without the campaign
was doing my druid with non campaign and half are missing

Mmhm
Yes but you can skip campaign talking to Soridormi when completed once on one of your character
..at 90
Also if u try to do side quests on alt and not on main.... U have to do some intro quests otherwise the side quests brick
It's fucking stupid

m+ wohead
how would have that helped
more loot innit
Because when billy gets his 3rd leather shoulders, he can trade them
you silly sausage, only invite people that have gear
of your class (or armour I guess)
Or that
monks, druids

rogues
STACK THE DECK

like I said, it's incredibly dumb people do it
but its for a reason
Yea when I said which one...... I wanted to know what link
I'm gonna lose my shit
are we speaking the same language
WHICH ONE
elune
m+

to pick from
obv the best m+ one

ig i need to be more specific
yea in general
he's a little slow
u cant drop that many things there
Looks fine to me?
Can it be used to pull from africa?
ac u can also swap around yea
could on beta
like 60yarder i think
why not the wild surges idk it seems way too less comapred to shrooms
so ur comparing not the worst talent
to a talent that can proc at the end of the pack
on 1 target
fungal growth for 0
give u 0ap
just less consistent in general
ws is like 25% more ap before multipliers
Sunseeker, Dreamstate, UE, Orbit Breaker
A bit confused, when would I use eclipse rather than incarn and vice versa?
ye but u said its better to get rid of sotf which give more than 2 ap (40% of 12 for startfall) for shrooms thats why i dont get it
u use eclipse when u dont have incarn
Chain them in the manner that gives you the most uptime
sotf is not much more than 2ap
and its only inside of eclipse
and it doesnt give u dmg
Perfect so incarn is basically prio and eclipse is secondary when im waiting for cool down to come off
what would u do
as talents for m+
in this situation
id play bear
:DDD
but prob
orbit breaker
click off sotf get mushrooms maybe
or click off ac get dreamstate
and keep sotf
if i feel like playing good
but its harder
or click off stellar amp
and get something else as well
or u can take weaver and take meteorites
take off sotf
get mushrooms
they all just do different things
if u want the real answer it depends how fast shit dies
and who ur playing with
class wise skill wise
and how big ego ur tank has
😄
i dont think its that bad cmon now
I sim 53k as bear and like 40k as moonkin atm
what do tiersets for tanks do?
without gear and trinkets
just survivability or also damage
they arent out yet
Big dam
I think 2p is 10% maul and moonfire damage
4p is more moonfire uptime and a chance for a proc that makes our next maul cast again at 100% effectiveness on a fairly high ppm
Are we rageweaving 👀
we should
Pew pew pew
never good
yeah idk bout that
some of these new dungeons aint it
multistoried dungeons bad, there I said it
Sounds about right
My 184 devourer simmed just about the same as moonkin did at 216
I was getting smoked by a 190 feral, I did beat them on ST though
is it still possible to color nameplates based on a debuff the enemies have?
i'm having trouble with tracking my moonfires
Nope
Always curious
can track a color change on a bar but not a moonfire icon on top of it
This spec sucks need to proc a buff asap
3%incoming lol
Gonna look like a nerf
And the frogs gonna freak out
silly question -- wondering what buff is active that is keeping me from entering eclipse while playing Elune's Chosen..
Lunar calling :)
thanks king
i keep getting "a more powerful spell is active" even when trying to lunar eclipse.
thought lunar calling only stopped solar
Prob cause you are in incarn
incarnation then prob
is it possible to get a spark rn? if yes whats the best for us to craft? or better to wait for 2? ty
Wait for 4
- U can get 2 sparks right now.... World soul and the delve/dungeon weekly quest thing.
- U don't craft right now
ty for the fast answers
Sussy
Just create more useless currency!!
bags already fucked
wake me up when currency released GOES INTO THE CURRENCY TAB
like this shitty mana

btw is boomkin the fastest in killing the new herb/mining mobs?
oh dps wise not great compared to feral and probably guardian?
Bear >
guess bear it is then^^
Bear also can't get dazed while mounted AFAIK
tank perk indeed
Hey! what build is the best for preseason dungeons? Keeper?
Wowhead says elune but icy says keeper 🤷
Elune is usually the choice for m+ but shit doesn't live long enough so it doesn't really matter
Bear is the correct choice
Yea so keeper whould prob be best when doing world tour m0 ^^
But ye double tank is maybe better xD
Yeet
double? die you mean 5?
Whats the vibe on balance in midnight. Is it fun with good design?
fun yes
very fun
gah! this is totally a rant! but im been a swarn moonkin ever since wrath...yes wrath...i have seen ups and down on this spec and have dabbled with the other spec but no where near what i put into balance, i struggled up to 90 pull one or two mobs and getting wrecked....so i pop on here and see people feeling the same and mention of guardain being better....so i tried it for voidstorm....sigh....im killing massive group with out a flicker of the health moving...i dont want to tank this exp but it might be my only option as it stands...as i said this is just a rant but if your struggle with boomkin just got guardan it make your life soo much eaiser ❤️
you can play whatever spec you want
don't believe the crowd that dooms over their spec compared to others
i leveled 3 moonkins to 90 pulling 10+ mobs at a time 
Guardian is going to get shot in like 12 days so dont get too attached
I just like not taking damage more tahn anything
i agree and disagree, i love moonkin its my fav spec in the game but its a little bit like eating your brownie and then trying somthing apple pie...its not brownie but it takes really good and you miss brownie
have you tried to just not take damage then
I have, guardian does not take damage
its very fun living on the edge
this is not an indication of how good the spec is
😭 😭 😭
🥀
surely
if you are struggling as balance take the trees have more hp talent in keeper
and you can basically pull 5 or so mobs at a time and slam cds every time
My goat
I'm almost done with my 4th 🤝
one of them was my legion character with the freshly boosted gear too
i'm gonna do DH next
then warlock probably
yeah i'll do DH and then probably wait until the iranians figure out the best level boosting tech
What did you use to lvl up quickly ?
probably that one delve that everyone was farming
I gave Delve a shot, but it's not that great. I'm barely gaining any XP, even after full clearing.
kill cinderbrew bee or siren isle elites until 81
do restedxp adventurer mode till 88
turn in every delve quest
do first crafts for professions
in that order
also make sure you have darkmoon faire top hats for the entire process
Ok ok ! Thx ! What s adventurer mode on restedxp ? I dont have it I think
Restedxp is an addon
restedxp is a quest helper addon
Ye, i have it but I dont have adventurer mode
gg
I have unlock adventurer mode on my main but I don’t have a guide on rested to do this
am i supposed to feel bad when im in a group taking up a spot that a mage or warlock have doing 3 times my damage?
if you don't have it then maybe you need to update or you need to fetch a string for Midnight
no
You are on unused guide ? I was checking on first one b
no, top tab
Ok ok !
so does bear
But we also bring flap
I haven't leveled as boomkin since SL
Bear or feral and run it down
R u doing the correct on?
Cuz 38k in 2 minutes is not.... "Barely" anything
Being bear/resto the weeks before raid is a timeless experience for all boomkins
This time is rather worse than other times .. but nonetheless bear >
I refuse to become tree or bear anytime
And I’m 229 ilvl as a boomie
Pain in the butt
Not even 235

Ur so behind
Being in bear form makes u not die
(unless it's first pull of murder row, then u die prob)
i might do m0s and m+ as guardian or resto, but i always prefer leveling as moonkin
would've maybe done the 2nd and 3rd druid as other spec but starweaver fun
oh yeah? I thought moonkin was so good?

Firedup called moonkin broken so we're gonna get nerfed actually
moonkin could be omega OP it won't matter if nobody else is tanking or healing
also I have a question
you mentioned being busy irl and not being able to do stuff
and then you go and make 50000 moonkins??
priorities?!
What do u think he was busy doing
Irl is leveling moonkin
i leveled 3 characters for splits cause i'm still raiding
but yeah idk, i'm terrible at spacing out my time
so if i start doing bunch of sims then that's all i do for like 12 hours
Im jk brutha
yeah i didn't think you meant anything by it
you can do that
daily 
That's ur new life now
i told draco halfway into manaforge that i would probably only play splits and not prog for season 1 midnight
then he said he would be looking for moonkin applicants
and i'm not giving my spot away to some yuppie new guy
Smh, gatekeeping
Piss gamz
more admooge
Something that makes it look like im doing real damage
so following this chat, on the 17th when we might get buffed what would ideally you like to see happen to balance?
Or we get nerfed because firedup saying boomie broken
Tierset nerf from 50% to 25%
Surge/starfall buff 10%
Shooting stars buff 25 or w.e. that number equals out...compensation.
Aura like 5%
Is like 8% inc...... but fixes the current problem of be generationally weak compared to others without tier
@lucid olive you still have to pay for restedXP even for adventure mode right?
probably idk
hi, would someone be interested in teaching beginner the spell rotations saturday or sunday?
did they break starfire today or something? it seems like my character keeps getting broken and i can't cast the spell as if i wouldn't know the spell
Just look up the wowhead guide.
Can u show a clip of this happening
here's a clip:
Read the wowhead guide, practice on dummy, reread the wowhead guide. Play dummy. Rereread the guide.... Turn on logging, do rotation on dummy, post log
will clip if it happens again. goes away when changing specs back and forth so at least i can fix it. just super annoying
I understand that this teaching method works well, just not for everyone. even though I'll take your words to my heart and try my best. if I fail... I fail. but forward. if anything I'll write here again.
It works and is tried and tested
U can watch tettles video if u want first
But u don't learn by watching, u learn by doing.
Muscle memory
there you go
could you recommend some videos so I can watch and then try? I like the "just in time" type of learning where you apply what you learnt exactly at that moment.
the macro is just
/stopmacro [channeling: Convoke the Spirits]
/cast Starfire
and has been working fine since shadowlands 😅
As stated, tettles has a video guide u can watch
plus all my spells have the same condition with stopmacro on convoke and they are all fine. literally just starfire bugging out
@lucid olive plz watch
Did u search all those icons of the spells
No #showtooltip ?
I'll want to learn eventually balance and guardian druid rotations 😄 but one thing at a time 😄
the icons are auto added now since midnight i think. if you only need the icon and don't care about the tooltip you can remove that line
you cant hide campaign quests can you
No
fuck
ok i found the culprit in the spaghetti code 🙈
It's being balance spec -> join follower dungeon as heal -> teleport cantina -> leave through door -> back to balance and spell is broken 🤣
Punished for exploiting
for real
Why r u exploiting
is boomy looking promising?
Depends on your point of view
my pov is i want it to not be the squishiest spec rn and deals real good dmg
One of those is true
^^
balls
They could also just nuke the top specs and everything would be fine just depends on how much damage they want classes to be doing
Based on bear druid it's a lot though lol
hey everyone, just a question: do others feel like balance is just "clunky" atm? i dont even know what feels wrong, but im playing balance since 3.3.5 and this has to be the most unconfortable balance iteration ive ever played
Most people with complaints complain about the eclipse press. clunky, no it doesn't feel that way to me
probably because it's on the gcd where as previously when we had to press, it was for CA/incarn that was off gcd
The gcd part has bothered me
Well ca and incarn are off gcd
So that's a fake explenation
Before u had to press 2 starfires to get into the old eclipse
It's half-gcd
2 vs .5
The eclipse is also instant, it's just objectively better
objectively better but it takes a while for the feelscraft to settle in
previously you could precast as your eclipse/ca was ending, but now you have to wait for the buff to fully drop before eclipsing again
Spend more than 12 minutes on the spec and it'll feel fine surely
U won't do that as much as u think
numerous times i want to refresh eclipse because i have to wait for the previous eclipse to end, it's not as smooth in the sense of being able to constant cast even if objectively better. you have to either chain an un-eclipsed spell or buffer with some instant cast
During an actual fight u won't have asp at the end of eclipse
So u won't enter eclipse
U think u want to enter eclipse with no asp?
use the down time to pool asp
U won't have 100% uptime on eclipse
old habits from the time period when we weren't pooling
"When we werent pooling"
Brother ICC has been over for awhile
We just have downtime now so sending surges in eclipse is better than sending anything outside of it
silence pooling believer let the vibes speak
why is the gif so small
can't have shit in dreamgrove
Wdym
i loved when we had stuff like pulsar that rewarded my constant dumping of asp with longer ca/incarn
idk, that was for me the best vibe after legion
Yeah i was gonna say just use a bigger gif
U pooled back then too
sometimes it's cold out ok
Sounds like a lot of playing incorrectly
i cant' remember if i followed guides that expac or not or if i was just yoloing
Sounds fine

Just get called sandbagger then blame the mages for helping hunter gain DPS but not us
Hes a mage

Why would he blame mages
actually i only play druids
Not you the guy who wears the altered time badge
So based
kingdom of heaven was a good movie
I think pooling will be partially a sim thing ngl
Link logs so I can judge your no pooling gameplay
Doubt
Never heard of it
until after u spend both incarn charges u only have like 10sec of out of eclipse time anyway
could pool at the end of prev eclipse mabey

if i said i'm just a core gamer that only aotc/3k i think that already gives you an idea why i play the way i do, not chasing CEs or anything
it's where the still from that meme that artic posted is from
Why
That's fine, just saying funny things
U think I like them?
People complaining about clunky or feel don't even play the content that makes it better so idk
Doing dimmy prog trying to get into eclipse while doing excess mass
Is the giga most cringe shit ever
I made me do mass
buh
I mean i guess
what is mass in this context?
My best kill was r8 so idk
oh was it the dimensius mechanic?
all 10 boomkins
Ok bud

Where's ur rank 1 on arcane
mage keeps getting the ret paladin treatment
The ball drops after u kill adds, and u have to pick them up and walk with your friend
every rework less braincells req
And the timings were around when we ended eclipse
yeah i remember it now
Just blink bro
Nah I just finished cast and the people got scared
welcome to moonkin
U could cast wrath if u went to the front of the circle and it finished before u got out of it
you're just 2 years late
fwiw wrath is deffinitly short enough to stutter step and soak
Every class is boomkin tww levels
It was, but u can't cast it out of eclipse silly
at least kotg had more buttons to press although i felt the s3 opener with 4pc was insanely convoluted. i hated how easy playing EC in keys was relative to the stupid amounts of damage it brought
Was bad on queen too
U get thrown in the air out of eclipse... Then have to dodge waves and still can't get in
yeah Eclipse was terrible in p1 Queen
mabey next ptr cycle I'll come back again
EC has more instant casts
we have a party
Woe good
really cook
if you sent your 2nd treants + ca on specific timer on p1 ansurek it wasnt that bad though
yeah i missed WoE, definitely was weird during pre-patch playing EC and not having it anymore
could enter eclipse right as you get sent up
So I was 2nd ball hitter
And that timing was fucked so I moved my self to first
I miss WoE when you used it to enter Eclipse back in DF
that was good shit
it'll be terrible for mdt sims
and WoE cooldown starting on button press and not when stacks have been used

Cancelaura woe
Chancel big tech in DF
So many cancelauras
I was trying to get cancel_buff to work for arcane
if u could cancel cc rn u would but u cant

for sf
went in game to make sure u could cancelaura eclipse cuz o was feeling some tech
I miss my cancelauras
The ol sarkareth pulsar cancel
I have a new opener i wanna try
My beloved
what do you mean?
?
does it do damage
idk
I believe he is saying that people who don’t play the highest level of content shouldnt be allowed to have an opinion
I think his statement was very rooted in elitism


kek
This “read the pin” guy has always been a problem around here….
I wonder if he himself has read the pin
So r u rat
Every problem is solved by having more deux
do we need to counter arctic with logic
he goes bad if that happens
turns to moon shine..

Hes the supplier not the consumer
For these purposes, ATF I don't sell moonshine
I give it away
@dense steeple can confirm
this is just confirmation you should never trust this guys opinion
he does sales
shrimple
He gave me free booze in a Dennys parking lot 
Ducks are u level 90 yet
ye
It was a caseys
nearly lvl 90 on 2nd char
On evoker?
did m0 swoop on druid
Denny's was across bridge silly
Oh my bad
Hell ye
I dont remember your weird ass state
but tomorrow poe so
I need to do 2 more on my dk
it's more out of necessity
Says the ohioian
than preference
Then I log out til next Tuesday
Did all my preys and m0s on lock and all but terrace and veil on dk
You're literally known as the people who shuck corn
what does prey give?
Good ole boys
also I dont think I did the spark quest
Online metric
First 2 hard mode prey gives veteran gear
Veteran creats
think I did the veteran quest one
Can spam for crests
but there's 2 right
Do random hunt
The quest will be normal mode which will then unlock hardmode
They u do 2 hard modes for vet gear and can spam for crests if u wanna













