zorthas is the new warler
#balance
potent cargo
delicate perch
100%
potent cargo
bricker content
cobalt bolt
delicate perch
what else am I meant to do before xpac drops
golden plank
I thought I had my main picked out (sin rogue) and decided to check out balance and love it
meager storm
lyric kettle
JOND
spare dune
I thought I had my main picked out (sin rogue) and decided to check out balance ...
Yeah it’s a bit like that. Not the biggest fan of Eclipses but otherwise it’s good
delicate perch
Yeah it’s a bit like that. Not the biggest fan of Eclipses but otherwise it’s go...
what are you a fan of?
lucid olive
what are you a fan of?
this
lucid olive
true
vale pebble
@lucid olive link me a quicksim
spare dune
what are you a fan of?
I like how you can apply or refresh dots on the move and how they spread to other mobs. Allows you to move and also gives you something to cast if you have to move. I just need to get used to paying more attention to eclipse uptime
livid jay
https://mimiron.raidbots.com/simbot/report/4bbotbZhNMhgmTy62QPbVz
no convoke is poggers but also holy fuck i will fall asleep raiding now
livid jay
lucid olive
when is that
1:48
and yeah can prob move the "starsurge if ascendant stars" up one so it doesnt spend it on a free starfall
if thats what you mean
fossil hemlock
Am I missing something here, or how does starlord stack to 3?
pallid bay
magic..
lucid olive
prob a sim bug
it looks like solar eclipse is giving 1 stack of starlord
happens here too
vale pebble
if thats what you mean
that is not what i mean no
delicate perch
so we're even worse than the sims 
vale pebble
but its playing good there
delicate perch
@vital hound whys he talkin
royal zenith
I have more time left @ work
vale pebble
vale pebble
ud want it to do more of this
aka wrath surge for touch fishing
but its just using boat window
not used to eg ap reduction on surges
pallid bay
23.236 Player 'Base' performs Action 'sylvan_beckoning_starfall' (1264671) (69.488)
23.236 Player 'Base' gains Buff 'starlord' (279709) (stacks=1) (value=0.04, time_duration_multiplier=1)
vale pebble
so it sounded weird for it to just do that but it has a lot of ap
lucid olive
23.236 Player 'Base' performs Action 'sylvan_beckoning_starfall' (1264671) (69.4...
@normal pilot
vale pebble
@lucid olive drop the moonfire on pull tho
i dont need it
also eclipse after sunfire
lucid olive
using eclipse before incarn on pull was a loss every time i tried it
vale pebble
after u fixed asc eclipses
pallid bay
are you pooling in between eclipses
vale pebble
solar bolts
lucid olive
are you pooling in between eclipses
no every time i tried to add astral_power.deficit stuff to eclipse it was a loss
craggy sonnet
using eclipse before incarn on pull was a loss every time i tried it
that sounds wrong esp with incarn
lucid olive
eclipse is just buff.starlord.stack<3&((!buff.solstice.up&(buff.touch_the_cosmos.up|buff.starweavers_weft.up|buff.starweavers_warp.up))|(cooldown.force_of_nature.remains>15|buff.harmony_of_the_grove.up))|
pallid bay
no every time i tried to add astral_power.deficit stuff to eclipse it was a loss
did u check eclipse cd as well
vale pebble
no every time i tried to add astral_power.deficit stuff to eclipse it was a loss
this sounds wrong
it wont matter on 5min maybe
but it will matter on longer fights
lucid olive
yeah for sure
pallid bay
he is not teaching anyone anything yet
craggy sonnet
vale pebble
because ur basing everything on not pooling
vale pebble
so stuff will differ
lucid olive
the module was updated
pallid bay
chickentude
lucid olive
and i spent a few hours writing an apl
pallid bay
because ur basing everything on not pooling
i think first goal has to be
royal zenith
(aka ur or you is not personal)
pallid bay
figure out 5min APL baseline
what is worth doing or not
then u can iterate from there
craggy sonnet
eclipse is just buff.starlord.stack<3&((!buff.solstice.up&(buff.touch_the_cosmos...
i think you need the fun control check here btw. would be fine to press eclipse right as trees come up for example if you had control
vale pebble
figure out 5min APL baseline
think thats wrong with this iteration
craggy sonnet
(and a CA charge)
pallid bay
yeah but more eclipse > less eclipse
the goal will always be to maximize eclipse count
craggy sonnet
even then its technically not wrong to find whatever is best in a 5min sim
even if you would play differently on longer fights
assuming any of that is even the case
pallid bay
what trinkets is sim using
pallid bay
guess lower eclipse uptime is what pushes incarn to be good
fossil hemlock
what trinkets is sim using
1.5 min araz-like and voidcore-like
vale pebble
well
bicotti derived that
incarn good because it means u get more time inside eclipse
meaning that how u use ur time outside of eclipse matters less
meaning that if u dont pool with apl = incarn better than convoke
if u pool with apl = convoke better
because it cant just decide on the spot if u make it onedimensional
round field
incarn better than convoke?
vale pebble
because if u play convoke it will prob brick eclipse in the 5:30+ fights
pallid bay
73% eclipse uptime
royal zenith
incarn better than convoke?
you do realize that in actual play you will still be using convoke...
vale pebble
73% eclipse uptime
yea well thats not relevant right?
royal zenith
and longer sustained combat is diffy...
vale pebble
unless ur not pooling at all
vale pebble
then u can say
yea this uptime number matters or it doesnt
because u will naturally generate downtime if u pool
u need to count wasted ap and/or spenders outside of elcipse
vale pebble
yea if u pool ca will become better
if u dont then u artificially inflate incarn
and other way around ig
pallid bay
yeah convoke is
missing a tree cast entirely
and it has control so should have held for eclipse
royal zenith
criminal
sudden flame
sudden flame
Don’t wanna
fossil hemlock
Now that we're (likely) playing 60 sec trees, and CA is 120 instead of 110 or whatever it was, is there a huge benefit to control of the dream? Or is it just for flexibility?
pallid bay
https://mimiron.raidbots.com/simbot/report/tPLVdaP7vofaR97DLyyTa4
https://mimiron.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5zq5cEDou2wigwU7rdGDWJ
vale pebble
but it needs to wait for eclipse cycles
vale pebble
yet again
fossil hemlock
but it needs to wait for eclipse cycles
I guess the other option on the choice node isn't strong enough to want to send trees and CA on CD regardless of eclipse state
vale pebble
apl will be some cringe fat line
pallid bay
unreadable nonsense
vale pebble
I guess the other option on the choice node isn't strong enough to want to send ...
well
what option on the choice node do u mean
fossil hemlock
The extra charge of wrath splody thing
vale pebble
oh u mean
fossil hemlock
Instead of Control
vale pebble
control
fossil hemlock
Yeah so playing strict 1 min timer
vale pebble
idk how that plays i lowk dont even want to think about it
fossil hemlock
Instead of flexible with Control
vale pebble
but its not going to play 1minute
becuase of eclipses
u cant just force it to ca on 1min it wont line up
u always need to hold ca a bit
lemme dig dsune dms maybe i can find the ss i cooked up
but this is assuming u play convoke
and assuming u play eclipse on pull
and u pool 5sec per eclipse
for starlord window
spare fjord
Trying to build the best talent tree for lvling if anyone has an idea haha
craggy sonnet
guess lower eclipse uptime is what pushes incarn to be good
Also crit scaling I guess
vale pebble
Trying to build the best talent tree for lvling if anyone has an idea haha
ill give u gimme 5min
pallid bay
Trying to build the best talent tree for lvling if anyone has an idea haha
its basically just any cd paired with as many spenders as possible
questing is so much combat downtime cds are v good
vale pebble
Trying to build the best talent tree for lvling if anyone has an idea haha
something along these lines
take trees can taunt and ur fine
u can drop mushrooms and/or foe if u dont want ot click 50 active buttons
u can get stellar amp and firmament or orbit breaker
vale pebble
well u have
oneth
foe
fon
mushrooms 3 charges
eclipse
me and bicotti argued foe fon feels bad alone just in a raid fight
and u add mushrooms on top it will feel too much prob
esp if ur leveling
and we were playing rattle on oneth ur even more starved
for globals
vital hound
ive never needed taunt trees leveling idk
lofty depot
vale pebble
also grp leveling tbf
Well yea then u dont need trents
round field
why would u not take it
Why would u level as anything other than guardian
Or pay like 10k gold for iranian boost
round field
Does he know
What
jaunty blaze
Might be hard to get one soon
craggy sonnet
apl will be some cringe fat line
just like it has been. gamz trying to fight the fact that its still gonna be cursed
but oh well
lofty depot
just like it has been. gamz trying to fight the fact that its still gonna be cur...
Maybe u should help him make it not shit
grim mirage
was around 68% eclipse uptime for a 495s (8min 30s approx) fight
Biggest downtime 30s
pseudo merlin
❌ WCL
✅ Excel
fossil hemlock
was around 68% eclipse uptime for a 495s (8min 30s approx) fight
Wild to specify 495 seconds and then also approximate that to a round number like 30
fathom blade
Guys what is giving me both eclipses outisde of cds when i manually enter it ?
fossil hemlock
Guys what is giving me both eclipses outisde of cds when i manually enter it ?
Talent in the lower right-ish
fathom blade
Talent in the lower right-ish
Oh total eclipse right, ty
fathom blade
/pray
misty forge
weaver is goated
lofty depot
What does lb mean
misty forge
little bitch?
livid jay
little bitch?
no u
misty forge
Moon i love u
lofty depot
That's toxic
vale pebble
What does lb mean
lie buzzer
lofty depot
Ok not bad
misty forge
the fuck is a lie buzzer
misty forge
livid jay
Moon i love u
i also would like fullmoon to see some play but they sadly cant get it right
misty forge
bro it's okay, we get pedals and blast wrath ss all the way through midnight
livid jay
Why would u want to cast spells that do no damage
but what if it did do massive damage
lofty depot
Ye what if
grim anvil
Question for you guys
Do you guys vibe with eclipse being a button? It feels so ass
royal zenith
it's just a button
fathom blade
it's ok not much too say
royal zenith
zero feelings attached to it if hones
t
you just press it and you do a bit more damage
fathom blade
i just beg for a convoke remove
grim anvil
I liked it way more when it was the two spells activation thing
royal zenith
now that, imo, feels ass
grim anvil
Pressing eclipse now feels so fucking dumb
normal pilot
You liked having to sit there casting a spell and potentially losing uptime vs instant cd with zero uptime loss?
lofty depot
Ye
royal zenith
I dunno, it's on-demand damage
lofty depot
Smolder Crit thingy
royal zenith
dunno how that would feel ass
lofty depot
Well bolts are bad too
grim anvil
You liked having to sit there casting a spell and potentially losing uptime vs i...
Felt like a more interesting playstyle
I dont like buttons that are just press this to % damage more
lofty depot
So u don't like CA or incarn?
fathom blade
WoD eclpise was good ? i just starded the game at this moment and was playing rogue
royal zenith
or any cooldown for that matter
lofty depot
Me either honestly
plucky valley
Felt like a more interesting playstyle
I dont like buttons that are just press...
It was already like that tho. Now you just press once
grim anvil
So u don't like CA or incarn?
Its more interesting because the cd is longer so you plan around
lofty depot
U plan around ur eclipses too
grim anvil
But its on a way shorter cd
lofty depot
... Ur doing 1m fights
Having 100% uptime on a cd
When u do a 5m fight and have 70%
grim anvil
If a cd has this high of a uptime it should be a passive thing
lofty depot
So fury of elune should be passive
grim anvil
Or do something else besides just do more damage
royal zenith
they attached apex talents to eclipse :3
lofty depot
I just don't think u played more than 12 minutes with it tbf
plucky valley
Or do something else besides just do more damage
Actually I can agree with that. I think that when we press eclipse, the enemies die
royal zenith
I dunno. Seems a bit useless to connect fun interactions to filler spells
lofty depot
Or played content in which it was annoying as fuck to press Starfire while doing mechanics
manic plume
Do yah get a 'double dip' of bolts if you use that 10% proc talent for the duel eclipse?
grim anvil
Or played content in which it was annoying as fuck to press Starfire while doing...
Lets just assume shit now
royal zenith
wrath and starfire exist to generate* astral power
lofty depot
Lets just assume shit now
Easier to do so yes
grim anvil
Easier to do so yes
Evidently
lofty depot
I mean, if u don't see the value in an instant cast eclipse vs casting 2 starfires... Idk what to tell u
It's objectively better
livid jay
eclipse button shouldnt incur a gcd imo
lofty depot
It doesnt, it's half 🙂
grim anvil
eclipse button shouldnt incur a gcd imo
At least this
plucky valley
eclipse button shouldnt incur a gcd imo
I also want this
royal zenith
so you can macro it to wrath or starfire
now that's way more exciting gameplay amirite
livid jay
idk the button just doesnt feel good
grim anvil
If its something you basically will turn your brain off to keep up it should just be off the gcd
royal zenith
it's not supposed to feel good
livid jay
why not
grim anvil
Idk man throw some flying wolves when you press it
royal zenith
it's supposed to fix the fact you were forced to cast 2x wrath / 2x starfire
I dunno it's pretty simple?
lofty depot
Do u turn ur brain off when pressing CA or incarn?
livid jay
If its something you basically will turn your brain off to keep up it should jus...
u wont turn your brain off to keep it up
but i wanna press and blast like in ca
royal zenith
you will be figuring out how many eclipse uses you can get while juggling trees and CA
in a fight or phase
lofty depot
Quick maff
royal zenith
and use eclipse on specific moments you need a tiny bit of extra damage
misty forge
the only "bad" feeling about current eclipses is the random downtime after 2 CA's + 3/4 eclipses. When you sit in that ~20s limbo with no eclipse lol
royal zenith
there's more thought going into pressing eclipse button than just casting 2 wraths to go lunar
objectively
lofty depot
the only "bad" feeling about current eclipses is the random downtime after 2 CA'...
What if during eclipse u feel good
And no eclipse u just don't feel anything
misty forge
i love the eclipse feeling, i just find the no eclipse time a bit long - think 5s downtime is fine, but 20s is so shit lmao
fossil hemlock
the only "bad" feeling about current eclipses is the random downtime after 2 CA'...
Have you tried pooling a bit of astral power sir
misty forge
Have you tried pooling a bit of astral power sir
tf is pooling
spiral star
i mean atleast in raid it will pretty much be scripted when you press eclipse
misty forge
is it like drooling
lofty depot
Rather pessimistic to think it's bad to not be in eclipse rather than good to be in it
fossil hemlock
Instant of pressing shit as soon as possible
royal zenith
i mean atleast in raid it will pretty much be scripted when you press eclipse
correct
aka more control
lofty depot
tf is pooling
When u gain asp and sit around a certain amount for ur cds
So u can press surge more
misty forge
sorry, i was just memeing
lofty depot
Kk I'll go back to being an asshole then
misty forge
i was taking pooling into account when i said 20s
because if you press on CD
think it's a 32s no eclipse thing
but don't quote me
lofty depot
I won't be quoting u
misty forge
I won't be quoting u
🙏
livid jay
arctic making new boomies quit again smh
eager raft
@lofty depot say it back
lofty depot
If there's less boomies, there should be less bad ideas
livid jay
but also less good ones 
lofty depot
Same % of bad ideas to good, but less
fossil hemlock
i was taking pooling into account when i said 20s
Not sure where the 20 seconds of downtime comes in
lofty depot
<@121360917907767296> say it back
Hi Mr sir, how r u
lofty depot
Not sure where the 20 seconds of downtime comes in
That CA is wrong
fossil hemlock
Idk chicken just sent this earlier
misty forge
was around 68% eclipse uptime for a 495s (8min 30s approx) fight
idk 68% uptime seems like 20s downtime
fossil hemlock
idk 68% uptime seems like 20s downtime
You're not using that excel as data are you
lofty depot
70% of 300s is 90s
livid jay
idk 68% uptime seems like 20s downtime
bro changed his pfp mid convo
misty forge
nah, using me hitting a dummy
misty forge
bro changed his pfp mid convo
who?
lofty depot
Yes
eager raft
Hi Mr sir, how r u
Good how are u
lofty depot
Well u said downtime
eager raft
Did my first heroic raid on my new spec yesterday
vale pebble
its 2nd charge ca at 90s
eager raft
And I think I’m gonna be the goat
lofty depot
Is longer cd, more downtime
Well u can press 2nd one w.e. the 90s press wasn't the issue
90s CD...
Which is now 120 - control if used
Told vinter to fix, he said next week
O well
eager raft
That math checks out….
vale pebble
yea its a custom one
eager raft
Arctic, thoughts?
vale pebble
i told dsune that shits wrong like
2months ago
(he din give a fuk and said make custom)
lofty depot
Oh is ur custom then
vale pebble
yes
lofty depot
Sorry dad
lofty depot
jade flume
Can u do 145-78
vale pebble
yea sure
eager raft
. 😜
🫴 |🫴
/\
jade flume
It works
It took me like full 2 minutes to make sure i didnt fuck up the substraction ngl
quiet drift
❤️🩹
livid jay
cotti is that griffith?
quiet drift
Yes
livid jay
when new chapter ❤️🩹
livid jay
yea i was talking to a friend about it, if this guy is gonna die on us aswell we wont ever see the end of the story its just cursed
craggy sonnet
Well bolts are bad too
Isn't it like 4% now after the crit fix?
round field
and our ai overlords can finish it
livid jay
and our ai overlords can finish it
you just made the eclipse sound like a dream
painting new pictures of hell
livid jay
i know im vibe coding hard right now
lofty depot
Isn't it like 4% now after the crit fix?
Uhh my sim has it at 2.6
lofty depot
Real
vale pebble
not on ec
cause lunar bolt is kinda shit for some reason
for any st or reasonable content u will play them
maybe u drop on council fight but theres not really much better alternatives unless that fight is 8+minutes
and u pick eclipse cdr
lofty depot
I just said bolts were shit
vale pebble
or u pick that anyways and force more eclipse uptime for starfall dots dmg
lofty depot
Wanting them to be considered powerful
vale pebble
cause they cant be 10% either
round field
why not
lofty depot
Why can't they
vale pebble
u want a flat shit proc to be 10% of ur dmg?
i press eclipse nice
so skilled of me
lofty depot
That's big dam
round field
better have a flat shit proc to be 10% dmg and a random proc be either 1 or 20
round field
so skilled of me
dont put skill into the equation
vale pebble
when u get a trinket proc
round field
nothing about this spec has anything to do with skill
round field
and u cant cancel eclipse anyways
round field
im not diego?
vale pebble
no ur iqnious
lofty depot
What's a bosstoilet
round field
disgusting pig
vale pebble
how many mechanics have u done
craggy sonnet
Uhh my sim has it at 2.6
Oh, you right. Remembered it wrong. Though it's slightly higher due to smolder
lofty depot
10 pulls on
I r1 prog kill
vale pebble
in the 3 tiers ive played
quiet drift
games / lp
round field
0
quiet drift
1v1
lofty depot
Oh, you right. Remembered it wrong. Though it's slightly higher due to smolder
Smolder for those 2 points is 8%... So if 1 and 4 are supposed to be the most powerful.....
vale pebble
werent u
round field
why would i want to be asigned to mechanics
oak imp
vale pebble
leperchaun?
lofty depot
So nerfed smolder ig. But seems worse
royal zenith
whatever is discussed
lofty depot
That's crazy
lofty depot
More win %, less lp
round field
round field
Me when I'm blaming everyone else on the team
im not blaimg
quiet drift
#truthnuke
lofty depot
Hmm he's making space
round field
so its fine
round field
d2 actually
lofty depot
He's giving enemy team bounty so u get more gold when u kill them
round field
so i could run him down
vale pebble
bet
lofty depot
U get Kesha nunu jg
round field
Kesha is the goat
vale pebble
at least nunu is op
and that guy doesnt run it down that much even
but u get bardinette
his mid picks bard
cause he hovered bard
then hes like
mmm yea lets pick
lissandra bandlepipes top
round field
that was
vale pebble
wp bro
round field
very criminal
vale pebble
new player?
round field
vale pebble
stone kraken
Someone have plater mod to track moonfire and sunfire with plater color change?
lofty depot
That no work
stone kraken
sad
lofty depot
Was a crutch time to grow up
stone kraken
I have eye problem, you know some tips to track more easy?
vale pebble
I have eye problem, you know some tips to track more easy?
realistically u only need to dot 1 time
u can tab spam a bit and look for ur dot on ur cdm
if dot not there then tab again
its kinda dogshit but thats what i do rn
it used to tab to non moonfired targets before idk when they bricked it
lofty depot
It's also likely u dot the prio shit and not everything with moonfire, but idk
lofty depot
But seeing moonfire on 8 mobs easier than 20
So shrug
It's also rather easy to dot them while being gathered and see what's missing
If ur waiting for them to be stacked that's probably an issue
vale pebble
u can usually dot in the front if ur waiting for them to be stacked
u just need to pay attention to what ur tank hit
or u need to know what he will pull and pull between u and him
but yea thats more if u know ur tank
but if mobs are too far away from that guy u will also not get twin moons hit so yea who knows
dotting depends on a lot of things to do it properly
lofty depot
Obviously easier if u know what ur tank is doing and where he's pulling to
vale pebble
i think twin moons hits closest nowadays
vale pebble
so u kind of know in a pack i need to click this guy then this guy
if its a 4mob pack
f.e.
so u click the 2 extremities u dont even need to click the nameplates u can click the mob itself
stone kraken
thx, Guys
junior thicket
need a good plater defo for boomie
lofty depot
Jundies platynator
royal zenith
why did people swap to playnator anyway
quiet drift
Just better
quiet drift
I think it had better performance when I last checked
royal zenith
(using plater ofc)
quiet drift
and the editing is way clearer
royal zenith
if better performance it's def worth swapping
lofty depot
Platynator was faster on updates and plater didn't update the debuff thing right away
quiet drift
with a given image of how your plates will look
lofty depot
Or yet even
quiet drift
but ye Plater just got left in the dust
lofty depot
Platers menu is also just always been giga fucked
dense steeple
My plater is just broken af
royal zenith
I disabled all script/mods and it works fine for me
but Imma put some effort in platynator
see what's up
royal zenith
Platers menu is also just always been giga fucked
that's factual
but I have that with so many addons atm
literal minefield
dense steeple
I disabled all script/mods and it works fine for me
I only ever had one script for plater, I deleted it. And I still getspammed in chat by plater errors idk
lofty depot
Lol the scripts I had were for small adds being invisible
dense steeple
That was mine too
craggy sonnet
I think it's mostly that plater still has all the options that may partially not even be available anymore just like details because it wasn't built to comply with midnight API from the ground up like platynator.. since they also want to maintain the feature set for other flavors than retail without forking I guess
Also platynator pioneered some of the features we "got back" like mob type coloring and interrupt aware cast bar stuff
And it is just easier to get into for the less hardcore nerds
royal zenith
(Real conclusion: people have no patience)
craggy sonnet
Well, platynator is well-made with better UX (subjective ofc)
vale pebble
real real reason: platynator is aislop and people love whenever ai is used #aiforlife
craggy sonnet
Is it now
royal zenith
drifting nova
is it all aislop?
jaunty blaze
plater gang
pallid bay
real real reason: platynator is aislop and people love whenever ai is used #aifo...
platynator isnt aislop
silly goose
pallid bay
oiui is not aislop..
vale pebble
kapap
pallid bay
handcrafted (=shit code)
drifting nova
are you sure
vale pebble
nice joke dsuneai
drifting nova
whens ainight coming
royal zenith
Tomorrow
drifting nova
hmm
glad helm
So if we don't get any buffs we blame tettles for not sandbagging enough in max tierlist
True or true
drifting nova
wdym he said he was playing an entire other class no?
glad helm
Did he?
glad helm
I don't recall xd
royal zenith
Tierlist still needs to finish or
glad helm
🙃
round field
for the state of the spec
royal zenith
Im fine with being blamed
drifting nova
I expect all eclipse likers to play the spec
royal zenith
Ill just laugh harder
round field
psycho
glad helm
I expect all eclipse likers to play the spec
I know there is a lot of drama for eclipse going on rn but since I never played any retail before I don't really have the basis to compare it to something that was there previously
royal zenith
Are you surprised
glad helm
But I will say being outside of eclipse feels bad at moments
royal zenith
Placebo’s are strong indeed
drifting nova
in or out its not the mechanic that makes it poor
lofty depot
I know there is a lot of drama for eclipse going on rn but since I never played ...
There's not drama
lofty depot
There's people that think it's a good change and theres people with a wrong opinion
glad helm
in or out its not the mechanic that makes it poor
Sure but while it's nice to hold on to eclipse in some downtime moments, it does feel bad because the difference between damage in or out of eclipse is massive and for how things are now sometimes you just are outside of it nomatter what
royal zenith
What do you mean its massive
jaunty blaze
it means like really big
jade flume
Three fiddy about
lofty depot
Three fiddy about
Sixty seven about
royal zenith
Pretty sure people have about 0 clue how much damage they lose if they’re outside of eclipse
lofty depot
Hmm which people
jade flume
Sixty seven about
-_
lofty depot
Queue the men in black clip
jade flume
Idk either and im turbo smart
glad helm
Pretty sure people have about 0 clue how much damage they lose if they’re outsid...
So you're saying it's not that big?
eager raft
Pretty sure people have about 0 clue how much damage they lose if they’re outsid...
I know how much
royal zenith
And I think you can only label something massive if you know numbers
Or maybe I am wrong
Could also be true
drifting nova
I'll hazard a guess mastery is back to being as tasteful as sandpaper though
royal zenith
(As a reference, CA used to be a 15% increase and thats our major cd)
eager raft
Just simply looking at the eclipse tooltip gives you a general idea of how massive it is
jade flume
That does sound unmassive
glad helm
I mean I said massive but now we're going into somantics that's not the point, the point is I personally feel like it's noticable. To that I will add: as it should be....? It makes sense to do more damage during eclipse or else what's the point
eager raft
15% is absolutely massive
lofty depot
Whats 15% of 30
royal zenith
He mentioned tooltip
jade flume
Whats 15% of 30
45
lofty depot
Also implies ur doing anything outside of eclipse besides building asp
jade flume
I could show u guys something massive on g
royal zenith
I mean I said massive but now we're going into somantics that's not the point, t...
I mean, if you are vibe-based thats fine
Do think losing 0.5% is less bad versus 50%
eager raft
Wow bold statement
lofty depot
U may think it's massive but it might not be, we call that feelycraft
eager raft
So controversial
glad helm
I mean, if you are vibe-based thats fine
I'm "vibe-based" because I'm new and I'm learning everyday 😄 never said I was an expert, was just expressing my pov as someone of "the general public"
drifting nova
if you're a wet noodle outside of eclipse then..eclipse should be impactful to compensate
royal zenith
Bro relax I am not attacking you
glad helm
I try to read what you guys talk about here to learn as well
craggy stirrup
guys calm tf down
eager raft
Don’t get why deux is attacking u for just wondering about simple things
royal zenith
We just need to wait for numbers thats all
eager raft
Like calm down bud
royal zenith
There’s always downtime jf you play with cooldowns
craggy stirrup
glad helm
I am calm wtf xd
jade flume
Dreamgrove toxic as always
lofty depot
How about you play with 
eager raft
I am calm wtf xd
Not you the other guy needs to calm down
royal zenith
Okay I kid
jade flume
Someone rip a copypasta
eager raft
This “Deux” character
craggy stirrup
lol
jade flume
Deux giving ex dreamgrove mod vibes low key...
eager raft
(As a reference, CA used to be a 15% increase and thats our major cd)
And I am just saying that you have no data to back up such a claim and that I think that it's more epistemologically sane to adopt a position of agnosticism towards things for which there is no good data
glad helm
Is he respectable tho?
royal zenith
Deux giving ex dreamgrove mod vibes low key...
Im almost home
Walking and typing hard
royal zenith
Cant flame kekkers in well enough this way
royal zenith
you never answered me deux
Where when
royal zenith
Pistache
jade flume
The best ice cream flavour is the basic mcdonald ice cream on god
lofty depot
Watch being outside of eclipse being like a 50% loss
Only 4.5% diffy is fine
normal pilot
is it pronounced 'doo-pectable' or 'doos-pectable'
lofty depot
Implying ur not spamming asp outside
lofty depot
Doos
eager raft
is it pronounced 'doo-pectable' or 'doos-pectable'
2nd one is closer
royal zenith
What…
drifting nova
PISTACHE
craggy stirrup
that's a weed at best
eager raft
But deux more of a d’eugh sound than doo
craggy stirrup
i only eat the fruits of the pistachia vera tree
drifting nova
you starting a garden?
craggy stirrup
wtf is a pistache
glad helm
The best ice cream flavour is the basic mcdonald ice cream on god
Are you american?
royal zenith
Ohh wait I think
eager raft
Pistachio
jade flume
Are you american?
Nope
royal zenith
My inner dutch…
jade flume
Polska gurom
eager raft
Kekkers knew what you meant man
royal zenith
It leaked…
royal zenith
2nd one is closer
Non-existent
glad helm
you starting a garden?
Fastes respec to resto in his life
craggy stirrup
can i ask if 60k overall in a 17 eco dome is good or will i get flamed
eager raft
Non-existent
Suuuuuuuuuuure
drifting nova
can i ask if 60k overall in a 17 eco dome is good or will i get flamed
you'l get flamed for asking
lofty depot
can i ask if 60k overall in a 17 eco dome is good or will i get flamed
Bad cuz playing wrong spec
eager raft
uh that doesn’t really sound that good but I think balance Druid is dog shit
So maybe it’s good
royal zenith
Are you on a demo warlock
royal zenith
Cause then its bad
craggy stirrup
playing the m+ build for ec on wowhead
eager raft
It’s probably fine
dense steeple
Were you the only one doing damage
eager raft
More than enough
drifting nova
Are you american?
cant be, the machine is always broke
dense steeple
Ive been doing 14s on my busted ass dev only capping at about 45k. Granted its a 14 but im routinely doing yhe most damage
craggy stirrup
Were you the only one doing damage
well we were carrying my friend's 130 ilvl arcane mage and there was a feral doing like ~3k more overall, but i beat him on the last boss
he went insane in the first pack though
eager raft
Feral strong
dense steeple
I just cant see boomkin doing 60k overall in a key rn
normal pilot
feral #1
eager raft
Depends how u pull the 2nd and 3rd area
lofty depot
I just cant see boomkin doing 60k overall in a key rn
He's carrying his friend now, so they can carry him later
dense steeple
dense steeple
The second worst spec in the game 
craggy stirrup
what's the worst
dense steeple
Boomkin
eager raft
bala Dudu
craggy stirrup
fuck
dense steeple
Arent you listening
drifting nova
fun?
dense steeple
Im enjoying ddh
lofty depot
Boomy is weak but fun
How do u know ita weak
dense steeple
Its got dogshit easy rotation and does good dam
lofty depot
Maybe we're strong
dense steeple
eager raft
How do u know ita weak
Good question! I’ve played it!
lofty depot
Liar
drifting nova
I'll be as oblivious to devourer as I still am to every monk spec
lament sigil
Are we doomed
lofty depot
Ugly lock
lofty depot
Prepatch pog
drifting nova
Are we doomed
buried
eager raft
But that was probably more me than the spec
lofty depot
I was TERRIBLE
Sounds like a u problem
lofty depot
Respectable tired of pressing defensives gonna play lock
junior thicket
whats the curling drama
junior thicket
what does that even mean bro
lofty depot
Have u ever gone bowling
It would be like if u started rolling the ball and then after u released it went and pushed it a little more
lofty depot
junior thicket
It would be like if u started rolling the ball and then after u released it went...
nice metaphor
shrek understand
dense steeple
That was a great metaphor for sure
lofty depot
lucid olive
@quiet drift check ur dms (idk if i'm spam filtered)
normal pilot
green for green logs
warped bolt
hello what talents are ppl using for m+ beta these days
glass sphinx
Can someone explain to me like a little baby 🐤 💥 kin why Tettles said we now have a really good defensive? Will we not be sitting bear form anymore ?
fast elm
Am I crazy, or was NE starfire cast animation just updated in glyph of stars? looks different
Previously it was similar to regrowth, it's not anymore
lofty depot
hello what talents are ppl using for m+ beta these days
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Something like that
lofty depot
Can someone explain to me like a little baby 🐤 💥 kin why Tettles said we now h...
Hotw is a good defensive
It however does require u to go to bear form to press, but 30% HP inc in any form
craggy sonnet
FF big value
stone ledge
Forcing us out of moonkin should be a hate crime
loud kettle
FF big value
boomy doesnt have hotw-ff i fear
sudden flame
craggy sonnet
My disappointment is immeasurable
sudden flame
You're missing out guardian is using it to do more damage than both feral and balance atm
craggy stirrup
what is reducing my solar beam cd
lofty depot
No, crackhead
golden plank
Hey guys - random elvui question - Does anyone know what could be wrong - I have party frames disabled, but its still showing the party frames?
civic junco
Before March 17, that is my solemn vow.
lofty depot
seems rather late
sturdy pumice
whos ready for 2 weeks of normal dungeons
spice roost
is our apex considered strong
spice roost
ok
lucid olive
unless youre playing elunes chosen on single target
cause the bolts from lunar eclipse do negative dam
spice roost
oh god is elunes looking to be played on st?
lucid olive
nah