balance

[lucid olive]

that's the frame name for the default blizzard Essentials CDM

[loud kettle]

And discord literally won't let me post my thing

[lucid olive]

like if you do /fstack and hover your cdm it says EssentialCooldownViewer

[lofty depot]

Yea forgot discord racist

[royal zenith]

I mean, I will figure out by trial and error but it's just so bad rn

lots of others will just open these tools and be like

yeah okay

nope

[lucid olive]

I didn't figure out until this beta cycle how anchor from/anchor to actually works either

[royal zenith]

if addon want to blow up rn you need to make it extremely monkey-proof

[lucid olive]

Like if I want these icons there I anchor from bottom right to top right and then keep the X/Y at 0

[royal zenith]

💀

[lucid olive]

I used to just fuck around with X/Y until it lined up

[royal zenith]

and you've been working with these for a few weeks

[loud kettle]

Fix ur icons blud

[royal zenith]

AND have luckyone on quick dial

[lucid olive]

I only ask Lucky about random elvui stuff

[lofty depot]

Yea gamz is a dork on jah

[lucid olive]

he's busy enough

[royal zenith]

the /fstack stuff is also just way too hardcore for the average user

but I guess they also don't customize to that level

[jade flume]

Lucky busy bullying addon creators...

[royal zenith]

so it's okay??

Oiui when

[lucid olive]

Lucky also more careful now after he put something in guild chat and it ended up on reddit 6 hours after

[royal zenith]

[jade flume]

Lmao

Snitches everywhere

[royal zenith]

wow is very interesting rn

[lucid olive]

The meme has become that every time he puts anything in guild chat we are just spam forwarding his post in the same channel

[royal zenith]

outside the game that is

[lucid olive]

That was back before the addon apocalypse too

[jade flume]

Yeah its kinda trash in the game

[royal zenith]

[jade flume]

They dumbed down all the specs i play

Im hyped for the expansion in 6 years tho

[quiet drift]

Bamkin became harder

[jade flume]

When they announce anti pruning

[quiet drift]

https://klipy.com/gifs/clapping-apu

[jade flume]

Bamkin maybe ye

Disc is horrendous tho

The devs might need to consider different hobbies maybe

[royal zenith]

I dont have my favorite dh emoji anymore..

[jade flume]

Focus on the housing

Maybe they moved the devs from call of duty or something

[royal zenith]

well they are advertising with housing so yeah

[lucid olive]

Guilty shares his Grid2 profile on WoWhead, and if you open the bbcode for his whole UI & Macros page then you see the profile is like 3 times the length of the rest of the page

[royal zenith]

maybe we'll get good gameplay in the last expansion

[jade flume]

Wish they didnt touch the classes at all

And only did the housing

[loud kettle]

I never look at import codes anyway

[royal zenith]

I made this though

[lucid olive]

I just thought it was really funny seeing the Grid2 profile just skyrocket the character count

[loud kettle]

(Ctrl a sometimes) ctrl c ctrl v

[jade flume]

I aint reading allat

[vapid anvil]

is MDT count wrong in magistars terrace right now? I did a 100% dung and we were off like 3 % but I know we pulled everything

[royal zenith]

read it looq

all of it

or else

[lucid olive]

Well the game is in beta so assume MDT is wrong

[jade flume]

I cant, its too pixelated

[royal zenith]

use AI..

[lucid olive]

If MDT needs updating then I assume Nnoggie has some support or feedback channel

[royal zenith]

[enhance]

[vapid anvil]

its normally correct

[jade flume]

Im anti ai

[vapid anvil]

even on beta its normally correct im just curious if anyone else has noticed it

[jade flume]

Aint gonna have dumbass robots do my work

[royal zenith]

rip, no wow add-ons for you

[lucid olive]

Not a lot of players use MDT for beta

[jade flume]

We need wow addon no ai stickers

[lucid olive]

because there's no point in using MDT for beta..

[jade flume]

So we know which addons are clean

[vapid anvil]

thank you for letting me know my question isnt directed at those players haha

[minor anchor]

You guys dont hand code your Addons?

[royal zenith]

I mean the count can be wrong, if bliz changes mobs/count

need to inform le MDT

[lucid olive]

and counts change weekly on beta

so it's kinda expected

[royal zenith]

yeah I didn't wanna say frequently

[lucid olive]

You can find Nnoggie's feedback discord linked on the bottom of the MDT description on cforge or wago

I would go and ask in there instead, much more likely to find someone who had used the addon on beta

[dusk nacelle]

so kinda newbie question here but do i press CA immediately after my eclipse window is over to start the next eclipse and then use hard cast eclipse until another charge comes back of CA?

[lucid olive]

Ideally you wanna send CA right as your Eclipse ends yes, but what do you mean use hard cast Eclipse

[royal zenith]

seems there's already a comment about seat and magister's spell data missing

soooo he's probably working on those

boomie becoming glorified customer support for all addons

[lucid olive]

its been like that for 2-3 weeks now..

I blame Arctic

[royal zenith]

might even become worse on release

unironically

cause that will bring in most (new) players

[potent cargo]

tell em fuck off

[lucid olive]

yeah that's why the new resources channel has UI stuff

[potent cargo]

[dusk nacelle]

probably not the best terminology but what i'm saying is CA is on CD i have no charges but it will be coming back soon so i press the eclipse spell to enter a 3rd eclipse then maybe after that one ends my CA is back up

[royal zenith]

[potent cargo]

but also bro who is using mdt let alone on beta

you guys plan pulls?

i just press moonfire

[royal zenith]

fuck no

[minor anchor]

(new) players think there are no more addons we are safe for a week atleast until they catch up

[royal zenith]

dratnos weekly mdt route at the highest of possibility

(imported)

(not following it)

[dusk nacelle]

could it in theory go CA cast shit -> CA cast more shit -> eclipse cast more -> eclipse cast even more CA is back up

[lucid olive]

You plan your CA around your other minor cooldowns like Force of Nature and Fury of Elune so those are the moments you follow

Generally you probably wanna send CA whenever you're out of Eclipse for more Eclipse uptime but you also wanna plan it around your other cooldowns that line up

[dusk nacelle]

i guess what i'm trying to figure out is how to chain eclipses correctly i think i will just have to practice it more

yeah like in the guide you can hold sometimes because of another CD being ready soon

[lucid olive]

As long as you are not overcapping on charges then you're fine

[dusk nacelle]

gotcha

[minor anchor]

I like CA -> Eclipse-> Eclipse->CA on the opener RN

[lofty depot]

That just means if he wanted to he knows how to spread drama

[minor anchor]

Trees both CA's

[royal zenith]

what do you mean if he wanted to

[craggy sonnet]

you can do it with cdmc as well

[royal zenith]

never read luckyone's twitter??

[craggy sonnet]

tracking your trinket that is

[royal zenith]

man's a drama queen...

:)

[dusk nacelle]

ah i see

[lofty depot]

I could stop but then I would be seen as unhelpful

[lucid olive]

I don't really consider the 2 charges of Eclipse outside of using the extra floating charge to overlap with Force of Nature

[lofty depot]

Only read mattius

[lucid olive]

Eclipse is just a 32 second cooldown you want to use at 90%~ish Astral Power

[royal zenith]

typical

[lucid olive]

and the extra charge talent makes it so you have a floating charge to align with treants

[lofty depot]

Trees should be up before the second eclipse is used

Which means u ca 2nd trees

[lucid olive]

bounteous

[minor anchor]

Yeah they are but you lose like 2 seconds on Eclipse CD no?

[lucid olive]

trees are 1m

[lofty depot]

If u play silly talent

[lucid olive]

early spring is silly

less dam

[minor anchor]

OH

Control of the Dream works on Eclipse

[lucid olive]

no it doesnt

[minor anchor]

oh

[lofty depot]

This guy is taking my build

I said bot good first grr

Also... Need to figure out some maff

[loud kettle]

Just sim it

[lofty depot]

Yea maybe if I was a mage

[minor anchor]

I have raidbots in my head

[craggy sonnet]

with what? tmw? arc?

[royal zenith]

thats the problem....

think it's arc

and bcdm

hows cell anyway, are they creating some frames I can use in midnight?

[maiden pasture]

we're so back chat Trinket buffs and defensives back where i want

[royal zenith]

or not continuing?

[minor anchor]

No eclipse bar, but as buff square?

Odd choice chief

[lucid olive]

buff square bis

[royal zenith]

have you met maya...

[loud kettle]

Bars are ugly

[coarse gulch]

Hi sorry but what add ons are you using? It looks beautiful 🥹😭

[potent cargo]

can u get a better texture

[loud kettle]

Ur beautiful

[potent cargo]

this are heinous

skullflower2 bis

[minor anchor]

So si why is health and AP a bar those could be squares lowkey

[royal zenith]

use bantobar

[maiden pasture]

the base is just aui with small tweaks

[maiden pasture]

wtf is a skullflower2

[potent cargo]

a texture

[craggy sonnet]

presumably. but other than probably getting a release somewhere around actual launch, there hasnt been much comms

[royal zenith]

sadge

[loud kettle]

Health and ap bars aren't ugly

[royal zenith]

party/raid frames were nice for cell

[craggy sonnet]

but its not discontinued

[minor anchor]

AP bar is fugly, with the monotone boring ass blue washed out colour. The texture of the base blizzard ui where you CANT tell how much u have or if its enough for a spender so you have to play on vibes is true beauty

[craggy sonnet]

just a bit slow on the updates

[royal zenith]

yeah no comms and slow on updates means not likely good for when the exp actually hits

which means plan b basically

for now

[maiden pasture]

where can i find

[craggy sonnet]

well, the comms were that its likely gonna come out around release

but its been a few weeks ago. just no confirmation if we are still on track for that

[royal zenith]

aight we'll see

[craggy sonnet]

but you have 3 more weeks from release anyways

[royal zenith]

just trying to avoid shit like grid2 and what not like the plague

[minor anchor]

Check out that texture HOLY

[potent cargo]

if you find the old skullflower ui elvui edit and download it then get the texture file and edit it into the sharedmedia my media library u can use it globally

its just a nice soft gradient

[royal zenith]

can it replace skin for default frames

[potent cargo]

prolly

if you have something that hooks and lets it overwrite

[royal zenith]

meh

[meager storm]

dg terraria calamity server when?

[lofty depot]

terraria before board game night?

[meager storm]

doing my first run on master death mode holy

fights are cool af

blizzard should hire some calamity dev lowkey

even the dps meter is better

[potent cargo]

you played uhh

the mod packs for em?

oh you mentioned calamity

im shit at terraria but wanna try calamity at some point

i like watching ppl play it

[meager storm]

i will do infernum after since they rework all the ai again

but wanted to do base calamity first

[lofty depot]

WHY DOES TERRARIA DPS METER LOOK BETER THAN WOW DEFAULT METER

[meager storm]

it even has options

[lucid olive]

good song

[meager storm]

W

[lofty depot]

u have mage on beta?

[meager storm]

uhh i dont think so

[lofty depot]

@royal zenith u have dwagon on beta?

[drifting nova]

hmm yes, dps really is in the shitter isnt it

[lofty depot]

need lust

[lucid olive]

im coming back

[lofty depot]

lol

u guys wanna see something funny

as gamz said

[drifting nova]

is details giga bricked or

not even a skin

[lofty depot]

"funn for me at least"

[lucid olive]

crazy leak

[lofty depot]

[quiet drift]

the base game meter is bricked

and details can only skin it

a pretty dogshit is still dogshit

[delicate perch]

Damn cooked by garyeet

[loud kettle]

non druids in belameth?

What the heck man

[lofty depot]

THATS WHAT IM SAYING

then she said some healer posted about it

WHO THE FUCK IS INVITING HEALERS

[loud kettle]

Druid healer maybe

[lofty depot]

🚪

[loud kettle]

:DOOR: had more aura

[potent cargo]

[drifting nova]

mhm sort of worked last week..unless damage really is 200/s

[pallid bay]

my spot..

[lucid olive]

been invaded by echo raiders..

[pallid bay]

[meager storm]

is steam down bruh

nvm

[maiden pasture]

tuesday night classical

[lucid olive]

https://discord.com/channels/114145367322394624/1473018731687841853 woah crazy

[grizzled shoal]

people still aint gonna read it and will ask the same questions like always 😭

but thank you for your time and effort

[lofty depot]

READ THE PIN

QUICK

[lofty depot]

what the fuck

[craggy sonnet]

You are lying about twintop smh

(it does adjust the ticks)

[lofty depot]

smh fuggn liar

[craggy sonnet]

[lucid olive]

the amount of times i deleted and reposted all those posts to avoid having a (edited) on there

[lofty depot]

rekt noob

just delete it and repost it

[craggy sonnet]

Embrace the edited

[lucid olive]

no its 12 separate messages

zzzz

[lofty depot]

grow up

press lust dork

[lucid olive]

i am figuring out arcane keybinds

[lofty depot]

aint no way

[lucid olive]

idk what this spec does mfer

[lofty depot]

neither do i

spec frost

[craggy sonnet]

Wait.. why are the feral FAQs written by you arctic

[lofty depot]

im a knower

[lucid olive]

hes the feral guy

[craggy sonnet]

Hmm

Guilty couldn't be bothered formatting, or?

[fossil shard]

ty gamz this is neato

[lofty depot]

there was like 50 messages in there talking about stuff

then claude was racist towards crazy not letting him post faq, i posted faq and it worked

i then told him to post it and fix it yesterday

[craggy sonnet]

Uhh, ok?

So that's a claude summary or what

[lofty depot]

summary?

well i was trying to see why it did it lol... and it wasnt a dreamgrove automod

it was claude hates crazy mod

[craggy sonnet]

Man, why are you talking in riddles. It's too late for that over here

You got it tho

[lofty depot]

?

how is that a riddle

r u dumb

[maiden pasture]

GamzM?

[lucid olive]

nah i made a mage so i could have arctic test something

[maiden pasture]

holy shit

thats a lot of scrolling

[lucid olive]

then i got bored waiting for lust to come back so i went and bought some items

[maiden pasture]

for the balance resources

[lucid olive]

yeah its all the UI shit

i'm gonna remove it eventually when the whole addon situation settles

[maiden pasture]

this feels so unnecessary

[lucid olive]

yeah but you never know man

[maiden pasture]

i dont think any kind of resources should include a bag addon either

[lucid olive]

its a good addon innit

[sudden pawn]

idk if you know this but they just worked really really hard to make it so you dont need addons

you probably wouldnt get it

elitist scum

[maiden pasture]

idk guess just my take but feels out of place in a class discord resources page

the massive moonfire cant stay either man wtf is that 💀

whoever made the decision to have massive class icon at the top, and then a banner with the same icon and the spec name has never worked in cx in their life

[lucid olive]

[maiden pasture]

bro

😭

whys it a gif

nah this is some slop for sure

[lofty depot]

this server help everyone

[lofty depot]

and then hasnt lusted so we can test 20% haste

...

this rat just slamming arcane blast for fun

[maiden pasture]

see now this

is nice

[lofty depot]

omfg he pressed it when i went to get dinner

smh

[lucid olive]

get owned

i was blasting the dummy

[lofty depot]

so nice, needed a boomie to help

[maiden pasture]

ye ur part is ugly

get owned noob

[lofty depot]

wtf

[maiden pasture]

random extra space between every question

😭

[lofty depot]

I DIDNT MAKE IT

[lucid olive]

hey buddy you were taking credit in fearl chat earlier

[lofty depot]

real

[maiden pasture]

idk if i open a resource page and this is what i see i'm leaving

and i have my text smaller that most

[lofty depot]

have u considered not being a bitch

[maiden pasture]

that whole page is bitchmade

[potent cargo]

.balance_icon{
  width: 64px; 
  height: 64px;
}

pls

[maiden pasture]

nah mate we need a gif sorry

[light seal]

if i would want to get a few crests to upgrade the rest of my gear (i havent played in 4-5months) is kotg or coe better now in m+? i copied some trees from wowhead. but i feel like kotg might be better. is this a illusion?

[lucid olive]

the difference is negligible you can play whichever one you want

[light seal]

cool.

[potent cargo]

https://tenor.com/view/the-alpha-is-typing-sigma-beta-alpha-gif-15085961505239595360

[magic orchid]

I'm new to boomy. with elune's chosen do I ever press wrath ?

[covert coyote]

no

[magic orchid]

starfire in ST too ?

[meager storm]

yes

[magic orchid]

perfect

[covert coyote]

yea, one hero talent increases stafire dmg by 100% on st

[magic orchid]

that's all I needed to know

I haven't played it since SL where you bounced between the eclipses

[covert coyote]

ravenous frenzy

[glad helm]

so I'm not the only one debating if playing boomie or arcane KEKW

[lofty depot]

hes not debating it

hes boomie slave

[potent cargo]

everyone should be strongly considering an alt

if your raid has another source of versa buff

🙂

[lofty depot]

i will stand strong

[exotic perch]

i will be depressed and enjoy farm

[lucid olive]

good class

watch 2 warlocks be mandatory because of gate again

[lofty depot]

i mean right now ur fighting guardian and resto being good

[lucid olive]

yeah the class is dogshit

4 specs with 1 raid spot

[exotic perch]

bear is great wdym

doing the same dps as a dps

could run 2 of them in world first for that insane dps

[lofty depot]

that just means i can dps as a guardian

and not press taunt

think about that

[lucid olive]

you would still die every other pull

[lofty depot]

that doesnt make sense

[warm briar]

As soon as guardian outdpses a mage, it’s going to get swatted like an orange house cat

[delicate perch]

What if the other source is also just another boomkin

[magic orchid]

starsurge or starfall in 2 target ?

[lofty depot]

assumption, starfall

[round field]

counter argument

there is currently no situation in the game where you fight 2 targets so im gonna say neithe

[grim mirage]

Some bosses on dung like Floodgate or Stonevault ^^
Dunno if there will be next season

[round field]

🎣

[magic orchid]

I'm on beta

there's a 2 target boss in a dungeon

that's why I asked

[grim mirage]

If i'm not mistaken there is also a 2 boss raid but dunno if it's possible to cleave

[potent cargo]

starfall w/ starweaver prolly but also who the fk knows

need sims

depends on lots of shit

[vale pebble]

yea it is

[potent cargo]

even on w/e that boss was in vault of incarnates raid you could pad the fk out of starfall forever or you could just surge and push boss / kill adds on proper timings

[vale pebble]

unless u for some reason play opposite sides of the room which i dont think u do

[vale pebble]

but its fall yea

but also depends on ur talents

but if ur m+ing u prob have fall talents so just fall

[delicate perch]

if you gotta ask just pad who cares

[potent cargo]

tru n real

can just bs most ppl on this game "i get funnel"

[grim mirage]

Haven't tested raid on beta so i'm unsure but could be like cauldron where you play very far away from the other boss but maybe not 🙂

[vale pebble]

yeaa the boss doesnt force u to take them that far

for hc ur for sure close

[grim mirage]

👍

[shell flower]

this dmg breakdown look right for ST?

[potent cargo]

looks a bit transparent

[spice roost]

is boomie able to sim yet

[livid jay]

@atomic sand have you learned?

[vale pebble]

no

[spice roost]

ok ty

[jaunty blaze]

He didn't learn 😭

[spice roost]

in that case would u run a heroic ritual forge or a max mythic parapodia my other trinket is a void core mythic

was my alt so havent gotten a myth forge yet

[vale pebble]

flip a coin

[royal zenith]

flipping rn

[honest citrus]

Hey everyone! I haven’t been able to test the new playstyle of boomie recently. How is the community feeling overall ? Is it better now are you guys enjoying it ? I don’t care for numbers cause obviously tuning.
Thanks !

[cloud citrus]

shooting stars pumps

[jade flume]

Feels almost the same as before to me

Which is not unfun but feels like it lacks a bit of depth

Lean back kind of spec

[potent cargo]

a spec is fun if it tops meters

so by that logic we are not fun

🙂

[sudden flame]

[jade flume]

Thats kinda true too

I was almost top 5 on dimmy tho which is basically topping meters(shooting star orb did 30% of my dmg)

[honest citrus]

Haha fair enough

With the new tierset and more stats/gear wouldn’t we scale a bit better?
What do the sims say ?

[honest citrus]

I’m kinda worried about eclipse uptime, would feel bad having to wait for the cd to go into eclipse!

[grim mirage]

I you manage your windows well you almost can be 100% uptime eclipse

[craggy sonnet]

not true

[honest citrus]

Ahh really ? Can you elaborate? Like how would you manage your windows ? I guess after incarn not going straight into both eclipses and wait ?

[cloud citrus]

If the fight lasts like 2 minutes sure

but as the fight gets longer your out of eclipse for longer

[potent cargo]

idk bro im gonna be suicidal with 0 haste

our asp gen is already fucking rinsed

[cloud citrus]

Just proc more surges

[honest citrus]

Any idea if KOTG is gonna be best in all content ?

[craggy sonnet]

how could you type that

I don’t care for numbers cause obviously tuning.
and then ask the last one

[potent cargo]

for raid prolly, m+ elunes surely

but we havent event hit xpac yet no sims

[honest citrus]

Fair enough question was badly formulated, what I meant was that I wanted to know how it feels to play boomie but it matters to me to have different hero talents for different content

Makes it less boring

[craggy sonnet]

yeah, sadly that part is heavily dependent on tuning

[potent cargo]

well, in m+ you spam 2 buttons

and in raid you spam 2 buttons

and thats about it

[craggy sonnet]

so it is somewhat reasonable to assume its gonna stay the way it was

but we have no guarantee

[potent cargo]

i think we are probably the simplest spec in the game

at this point

so... boring idk

[craggy sonnet]

meaning kotg primarily raid, elune primarily m+

[grim mirage]

Maybe i'm wrong but this loop can go "forever"

[potent cargo]

https://tenor.com/view/flashbang-flash-cat-betterttv-gif-10690574645280585754

[craggy sonnet]

can it

ecl1 cd comes up at 47s
ecl2 cd comes up at 79s
ecl3 cd comes up at 111s
ecl4 cd comes up at 143s

not sure if you just ignored charges not cooling down simultaneously or something

[potent cargo]

CA is a 2 min cd no

[craggy sonnet]

oh, that as well yea

[potent cargo]

i can barely read the spreadsheet its too fkn bright

[vale pebble]

it cant loop forever no

u brick 15s at 7minutes

or so

depends what talents u have and how long u pool

[potent cargo]

starlord 20s too u prolly dont wanna just rip the eclipse on cd idfk

[vale pebble]

but this is incorrect

[vale pebble]

yea u play eclipses on 20s ish

[potent cargo]

pool up after dumping if u play that dogshite talent

[vale pebble]

on startlord end

[potent cargo]

or pool up just to rip for boat

etc etc

[vale pebble]

yea u rip for boat

and starlord

[craggy sonnet]

And maybe cosmos and wait for solstice to drop

And who knows

Thoughts on spending or risking to munch cosmos procs outside ecl?

[potent cargo]

been thinking that the last few weeks tbh

i think below a certain point you just gotta spend it

[cloud citrus]

jsut get biggest shooting star dam

[potent cargo]

love getting a touch proc on prepull

just send the fatty opener

[vale pebble]

depends how deep u are

outside of eclipse

[royal zenith]

sims when

[grim mirage]

True

[loud kettle]

sometime between launch and raid release id assume

[grim mirage]

Also true

My bad done it too quick 🙂

[craggy sonnet]

Ye, guess so.
Interested to see where the line is

[royal zenith]

can't wait for the prio list

"send starsurge but only if the following applies"

[royal zenith]

they better be!!

we're kind of in a pickle though

gastank will be focused on poe...

[round field]

time for u to step up

[royal zenith]

hahahhahaha

[grim mirage]

On a timeline where i tried to squizz maximum eclipse uptime on a 495s combat duration is 68% uptime eclipse (only rule to have CA/eclipse for FoE or treant)
Still could be full of mistakes since i'm a noob 🙂

Never played boomkin before so i don't know if it would feel bad compared to what used to be

[brazen mango]

Well, I have the impression that now you must use big cds with Alignment, and always make sure every other ones get boosted by a classic eclipse, and then, just don't overcap stacks

[jaunty blaze]

So basically like you always did

[brazen mango]

Yup^^

[lone root]

Coing back after 2 month out of the game, how are we doing gameplay wise ? Feels good ? Same as before but eclipse is an ability now ?

[jaunty blaze]

If you liked it in tww you will probably like it in midnight

It's more or less the same feeling

[lone root]

Been ok with generic cycle, hated the dryad part on last season. Felt useless outside of CD, burst last 3 seconds..
Hope we shine this time

[round field]

thats fine

now ur perma outside of dryad cds

so instead of feeling useless most of the time now you feel useless all the time

[sudden flame]

[jaunty blaze]

Feral pointing finger when they are even worse off

😭

[sudden flame]

[delicate perch]

[royal zenith]

joever

[lofty depot]

I assume it would be if you're going to eclipse within the next 3-5 secs u might hold

[drifting nova]

atleast chicken gets real defensives in midnight

I cant wait

[lofty depot]

Defensive(s)?

As in plural?

[jaunty blaze]

We do?

[lofty depot]

More than mage, locken

[jaunty blaze]

Hoooly

[jade drift]

im tired boss

[sudden flame]

Matted fur

[hollow mist]

[royal zenith]

have you tried not being tired

[pseudo merlin]

Have you tried boomkin nip?

[eager raft]

Hello

[lofty depot]

Boomkin nip 👀

[royal zenith]

Hello

[eager raft]

How’s life

[sturdy pumice]

there's technically the new bear form health button.

so yeah, multiple defensives lol

[eager raft]

druid players will never understand the power of their toggle-able defensive

[jaunty blaze]

We already have that it was said we get some

Stop lying to me

😭

[royal zenith]

can't complain?

I guess?

[drifting nova]

[royal zenith]

life just goes on you know

[eager raft]

I feel ya

[pseudo merlin]

nerf bearform

[drifting nova]

why you feeling deux?

[royal zenith]

I dont know if I am

[eager raft]

Startin to feel any excitement for midnight?

[royal zenith]

if honest

I'm always neutral, so, no

[pseudo merlin]

That's a lie

[drifting nova]

Housing in a trench coat

[royal zenith]

:)

[pseudo merlin]

he was pogging out about voidman the other day

[royal zenith]

trueee

:dhcuck:

[pseudo merlin]

im about to pick up my new phone

[eager raft]

I’ve started playing demo lock

Gonna play that for season 1

So that has me excited

Now I just need to learn affli so I can play all 3 specs

[pseudo merlin]

isnt affli braindead now

sure felt that way

[eager raft]

Probably yeah

Every spec is braindead

[pseudo merlin]

not moonkin

[royal zenith]

demo lock will probably rule supreme

[pseudo merlin]

crazy prediction

[royal zenith]

is the max tierlist finished yet

so I can decide on my future in wow

[pseudo merlin]

just play voidman?

its guaranteed to be broken

[royal zenith]

Well I already know what I'm doing

quitting the game!

[pseudo merlin]

bluf

[eager raft]

If u were gonna quit you already would’ve quit

You’re at least gonna try season 1

[royal zenith]

we will see

only reason I will try it is cause I already paid for the expansion

💀

[jaunty blaze]

sunk cost fallacy

[royal zenith]

literally

[normal pilot]

deux is housing main

[eager raft]

Yeah that makes sense

Idk as long as fight design is still good I can get over all the changes they’ve made

[royal zenith]

maybe there's another big plus

multiple raids instead of 1 big one

aka shorter, focused moments, progging

(and less need to log in)

[royal zenith]

Ive placed a well inside my house and I logged out

[minor anchor]

well...

That's pretty deep.

[eager raft]

I think it’ll end up feeling exactly the same

The separate raids seem to just be for story telling/RP reasons

If anything it’ll be inconvenient to have to spend reclear time getting people from one raid to another

[royal zenith]

Giving me more reasons to quit 🤝

[lofty depot]

Split raids wasting my god damn time flying around when I could be pulling the boss

[craggy sonnet]

Split raids pretty decent for lockouts

So sounds like a win to me honestly

[normal pilot]

i guess OS really really needed that 5% nerf

[meager storm]

wuh

[eager raft]

Good point I hadn’t thought of that

When progging on the quel danas bosses you can extend that lockout and still reclear the other raid

[lofty depot]

good, fuck the pvpers

[craggy sonnet]

Exactly. Can't wait to do that with random pugs consisting of 90% folks stuck on end boss

[normal pilot]

hm they forgot to add flare to the 10% ap boost from dryad's dance

[lofty depot]

OS stonks in shambles

[royal zenith]

weaver next

[lofty depot]

NO

[quiet drift]

Nah man its as intended

Dryads cause MOST of your Astral power generation to be increased by 10%.

They threw darts to decide which are buffed

[lofty depot]

Next patch they're gonna change MOST to SOME and start deleting interactions

[normal pilot]

pretty sure they made it double dip on wrath

[quiet drift]

lmao

[normal pilot]

even more reason to wrath spam

[quiet drift]

eclipse enter with 0 AP

for optimal gains

[lucid olive]

base Wrath gen is 6 and with Dryad's Dance it's 7 for the Dryad duration

[meager storm]

[lucid olive]

I remember me and Folty on alpha looking at what gets applied first of %cost reduction and flat cost reduction but I don't remember what we found out

[normal pilot]

too bad no WA so you can't get decimals anymore

[lucid olive]

I found the message from back then

it was about the AP decimals always rounding up

[normal pilot]

it buffs the base 6 to 6.6 because that's not on wrath, then it buffs wrath spell another 10% so you get 7.26

[drifting nova]

rounding up? like the tax man

[lucid olive]

Wrath double dipping means its rounded down and not up then

[normal pilot]

well the display always rounded down

hard to tell what's being kept without a WA tho

[lucid olive]

I don't think AP values are secret anymore?

maybe @pallid bay knows better than me

[normal pilot]

oh did htye nerf sotf, it's only 40% now

[lucid olive]

yeah

Also removed the "Starfire gens more AP up to 5 targets" thing

[lofty depot]

Nerfed it twice

Was 50%

No ap good

[pallid bay]

its secret

except cost

[lucid olive]

unfortunate

I guess the thing they made not secret is being able to display the value at all

[deft thorn]

Did they change starfire animation or am i delulu?

[tranquil dagger]

Question now with midnight changes to eclipse.
CA is true astral is it not? What happens if you proc double eclipse now with talent, is it dipping into astral or does that only buff nature/arcane?

When you do a normal eclipse that is, and getting both benefits

[normal pilot]

wdym 'true astral'

[tranquil dagger]

Like, CA is buffing our astral damage, but does the proc do that aswell?

[normal pilot]

so 'nature' 'arcane' and 'astral' none of these mean anything at all and have no affect on damage

solar eclipse buffs a list of spells, and lunar buffs another list of spells

things like surge are on both lists so they both buff it

[lucid olive]

mmm people learning damage type is cosmetic flavor text

[normal pilot]

if you proc both regardless of source, you get benefit

[lofty depot]

Nhuh, it's in the faq

[normal pilot]

CA itself doesn't buff any spells. it's the eclipse that comes with it that does

[tranquil dagger]

So, a just for shits and giggles, Fury of Elune, had as much benifit you being in Solar Eclipse as in Lunar eclipse, since astral damage doesnt care for type?

[normal pilot]

no becaues it's on both solar and lunar list

it doing 'astral' damage is irrelevant

[lucid olive]

your example is correct but astral damage/nature damage/arcane damage doesn't matter

[normal pilot]

balance currently has no buffs that buff your damage, only spell-specific buffs

[lucid olive]

Solar Eclipse and Lunar Eclipse both buff Fury of Elune damage

and being in CA or proccing Total Eclipse gives both buffs

[normal pilot]

some other specs do have true buffs that buff school damage

[tranquil dagger]

Yeah, so I guess I should reformulate my question. Eclipse procc = CA eclipse buff? 🙂

[lucid olive]

wdym eclipse proc

[normal pilot]

it's all the same eclipse, there's no difference how you get the eclipse

[tranquil dagger]

the double

[lucid olive]

Total Eclipse gives both Eclipses as well yes

the difference between it and CA is the 10% haste from CA

or the additional crit from Incarn

[tranquil dagger]

Yea that's what I though

[lucid olive]

Or the cost reduction from elunes guidance

[tranquil dagger]

I guess it's too early for how to play around it or if at all

still waiting for final sims

[lucid olive]

your rotation doesn't change inside CA anyway

so you won't really play around it

[royal zenith]

oh yeah?

watch me

[tranquil dagger]

😄

[lucid olive]

Total Eclipse also not a stacked deck it's just full random whenever you Eclipse

[tranquil dagger]

Yeah I'm just thinking, but that's for sims to decide, if you get a total eclipse you go into a more "dump" scenario than a wrath/starlord maintenance scenario.

[lucid olive]

you want to dump AP in Eclipse regardless

enter Eclipse with high AP and exit with low AP

then rebuild AP before hitting Eclipse again

[tranquil dagger]

I'm definitly overthinking the changes 🙂

[royal zenith]

everybody is

dw about it

true theorycrafting

[normal pilot]

apprently minor moon was doing too much damage too so they nerfed it by 5%

[lofty depot]

U'll end up doing a lot more damage, ur still playing that eclipse the same

Ur always building asp outside eclipse to dump asp inside eclipse

[lucid olive]

think the only difference proccing total eclipse is on AoE

changing up target counts for wrath/starfire

[lofty depot]

Down from 6 targets to 4 yeayeyya

[tranquil dagger]

whilst enhancement and frostDK do near perfect damage using onebutton rotation smh

gaslighting ofc

[normal pilot]

i'd expect most specs will do good damage with just one button

[lucid olive]

wonder what target count it's worth sending the instant Starfire from apex talent

have they made one button use Eclipse yet

[lucid olive]

you baited me yesterday

[lofty depot]

3 surely

[lucid olive]

started pogging when i saw [druid] commit

[normal pilot]

maybe later today

[royal zenith]

dreamgrove is a person?!

[lofty depot]

U forgot about resto, tragic

[normal pilot]

i'm like 70% way down the diff

[royal zenith]

[lucid olive]

[lofty depot]

Sends it to dreamgrove first then to simc yeyaea

[lucid olive]

the APLs are stored on Dreamgrove github

then SimC pulls them

[lofty depot]

Dreamgrove is an entity

[royal zenith]

next ypi

you are gonna say

powered by elune

(I mistyped....)

[normal pilot]

it's not looking good tho

[lucid olive]

blasting

[lofty depot]

The fuck is a sandbear

[lucid olive]

other specs simming 120k currently

[normal pilot]

well this is level 80

[lucid olive]

it's bear but sandbagged

[meager storm]

erm

[normal pilot]

and w/e the default laodout is

[lofty depot]

Ahh we're sand bagged ahhhh

[royal zenith]

feral can't keep getting away with this

[normal pilot]

feral #1

[lucid olive]

arctic pogging

[lofty depot]

Wwwwwwwww

Only 2 specs simming about 100k st

It's fine

[normal pilot]

kind of annoying the default loadout doens't include hero trees

[meager storm]

are those sims lvl 80 with just greens on or what

[lucid olive]

yes

[meager storm]

yeah tier set will save us

[tranquil dagger]

and the 3%

[normal pilot]

aren't ppl doing like 10% below avg on current logs or something

[lofty depot]

What is avg

[normal pilot]

w/e the middle is

[blissful star]

Boomie sims still down?

[lofty depot]

They're surely not up

[normal pilot]

i woudln't expect anything until xpac launches

[lofty depot]

Pre release is next Thursday, see u thursday

Locken

[eager raft]

[blissful star]

yesterday i've done some sims and elune chosen + guidance, sims higher than convoke, its that fake data or its better?

[normal pilot]

there are no sims that work

[lofty depot]

Fake yes

The big red thing that says sim no work

[errant flint]

Is there an amount of AP I should have ready for to use with eclipse?

[lucid olive]

90% ish

close to capping but not capped

[errant flint]

ty ty

[royal zenith]

if it's not exactly 90%, you will do 100% less damage

so be careful

[granite moat]

so, are we out of the god damn bin yet?

[errant flint]

no its cozy here

[granite moat]

is feral in a better place?

i may just roll that while they fix us

[errant flint]

Whats the best method to learn how talents interact with one another?

Besides reading them

[jaunty blaze]

practice makes perfect

[royal zenith]

abstract thinking is the best method

[normal pilot]

you'll prolly need to ask around in spec discords

tooltips can't really be trusted

[royal zenith]

ask a lot of why questions

[jaunty blaze]

why

[royal zenith]

cause it brings power

and understanding

[jaunty blaze]

why does it do that

[royal zenith]

cause knowledge is power!

[lucid olive]

if you were to make a list of the methods then this would probably be like

6th

[royal zenith]

nr 1 is paying for coaching

(that's a joke)

[lucid olive]

reading spelldata, asking class discord, DMing someone, watching twitch stream and asking, hitting dummies forever are all good

[normal pilot]

even dummies are kind of bad at times since they don't always function correctly

[lucid olive]

true

"why is my CA 10 seconds duration now is bugged???"

[normal pilot]

the game's just not made to be transparent to the player, that's not their development goal

[royal zenith]

tbh this game has a shitton of patterns

it's best to start seeing them and ask direct questions

balance is builder spender spec

[errant flint]

I ask because I found a good reddit post (I know crazy right) on how to improve and the steps it took to get there. The poster used feral as a dps referrence. One of the suggestions was to learn about talent interactions.

Regardless of the feral pov post I thought the steps were pretty decent.

As it broke it down step by step

[jaunty blaze]

i mean other than reading about it the only real step is playing the game

there isnt a shortcut to experience

[normal pilot]

asking in discord about specifics is prolly the only real way you can get detailed interactions

[royal zenith]

ackshually

[errant flint]

Not looking for a shortcut. Prog doesnt happen in day.

[normal pilot]

tbf playing the game woin't get you all the correct interactions

it'll get you enough to do the content

and interactions often don't matter

[eager raft]

U should try demonology warlock

[royal zenith]

why

[jaunty blaze]

yes but everything other than that i consider "reading" about it

[eager raft]

We can both play it

[jaunty blaze]

even tho its a lot more than just that

[eager raft]

That’s what I’m playing for s1

[royal zenith]

not a valud argument

butchered those words

[normal pilot]

talent interaction is prolly fairly low on the importance of things

[royal zenith]

but I cba to fix it..

[tired granite]

https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/harreks-advanced-tooltips

[normal pilot]

learning fights is far more important

[eager raft]

It’s ok I know what u meant deux

[tired granite]

but i also don't think this is remotely useful to improving

[eager raft]

Remember when we were both hunters

We can both be demo locks now

[tired granite]

there's so few situations where some niche talent interaction is relevant

record yourself playing

and everytime you fuck up

rewatch it

and work out why you fucked up

[royal zenith]

is the question to improve on a specific spec

or to learn more about the spec

question mark

[normal pilot]

ya class/spec isn't actually that important vs encounter

[errant flint]

I guess learning about how to improve can be for any spec

[royal zenith]

yezzir

[tired granite]

Not really the question

[errant flint]

and yea cant be vibing mechanics, have to learn them

[tired granite]

Is your goal to be better at the game

Or know more about the spec

[errant flint]

can i do both?

[tired granite]

Sure but it's different methodologies

[royal zenith]

^

[normal pilot]

you can absolutley vibe class/spec mechanics

you'll find less room to vibe encounter mechanics the higher you go

[errant flint]

Ok I get you. I feel honestly I have mechanics learning down pretty well regardless of spec.

I just lack the spec knowledge to improve my outcome

[lofty depot]

I swapped to mage, and spammed pyro for a tier.... I had no clue what most of my shit did

Talent interactions vs knowing the relative rotation

[errant flint]

I wish I was a faceroll dpser and fart out max dps

[lofty depot]

Type shit

[tired granite]

Spec capability is predominantly just playing the video game

Just put in reps

[lofty depot]

Learning ur rotation will net u more DPS, than learning that cosmos procs hail of stars which is solstice+3s

[errant flint]

im not sure if useless but i like to know why my rotation is my rotation or priority*

[tired granite]

Read an apl

[eager raft]

Idk if I’d say it’s useless but it’s also not really useful lol

[lofty depot]

Real the prio list, then ask questions about it

Don't read the apl

[errant flint]

wait

[lofty depot]

Lose ur mind over some dumbahit

[errant flint]

both saying opposite things lol

[royal zenith]

[lofty depot]

He's a feral

[errant flint]

too late i play this spec

[eager raft]

if you know what to do, the “why” is pretty intuitive

[lofty depot]

He doesn't read apl

[royal zenith]

you can read the apl, but it's very technical

but

[lucid olive]

the amount of really high m+ pushers who are virtually clueless about their spec proves this

[royal zenith]

it does have a lot of if's/then's

which is basically prio list but in code language

[lofty depot]

Gamz copy and paste the whirling stars variable go

[royal zenith]

(which also kinda gives you info on why you press what button)

[lofty depot]

Go ahead and read that shit

[eager raft]

Just wait til guide writers turn the apl into the prio list. Blindly reading the apl aint gonna teach you much

[royal zenith]

I think Tendy is also trying to understand concepts of the spec

it's a bit bigger than just the spec

[errant flint]

yea pretty much

[eager raft]

Yeah that stuff is hard to learn through studying imo

[lofty depot]

Ask questions >

[lucid olive]

watching moonkin reroller in MDI vibe their way into a +23 puts it into perspective how little it matters

[meager storm]

i have never looked at a prio list even when i was learning boomy, just vibed 20 heroic runs getting used to the spec

[eager raft]

You learn through osmosis of being around the community

And asking questions

And reading other people’s questions and answers

[lucid olive]

yeah this

[lofty depot]

Go hit the dummy and ask questions

[lucid olive]

but then you ask a question and have kekkers answer

[tired granite]

This is just reading the apl with obfuscation in the middle

[lucid olive]

and you lost braincells

[lofty depot]

Best advice on gasd

[meager storm]

[lofty depot]

Yea but one requires autism

[royal zenith]

I learned more from studying logs, apl and asking chicken / oi direct questions :3

[eager raft]

it’s just putting it into simpler more readable terms

[royal zenith]

(and or cotti when he's blasting)

[errant flint]

I got you one better dopamine deficiency

[lofty depot]

Learned to swap off boomkin like them

[eager raft]

Ig by definition it’s obfuscation

[tired granite]

Yeah that's what obfuscation means man

[errant flint]

seen him alot on top logs

[lofty depot]

Cotti is a cheater

Can't copy

[tired granite]

Yeah or rwf players

[lofty depot]

Too good

[eager raft]

Obfuscate kinda implies the opposite generally

That it makes it less readable

[lucid olive]

yeah I was gonna say RWF players first but m+ pushers are more egregious

[lofty depot]

Remember Nick playing boomkin for stix asking what eclipse to be in

Good times

[tired granite]

@wise hare only needs to ask how to effectively wipe his raid when his surges don't crit

[royal zenith]

in all fairness, the prio list is a result of someone interpreting the APL and trying to make it more readable

[errant flint]

meta rerollers in m+ are rats

[royal zenith]

doesn't mean it gives you tools to understand the game better

[lofty depot]

Wrong nick

[lucid olive]

I wish I could just straight rip the APL onto the guide word for word

[royal zenith]

(cause it can also just be straight up wrong)

or not complete

[tired granite]

It's never the wrong time to remind people of his criminal past

[lofty depot]

Oh, true my fault

[errant flint]

Ive seen how its made....thats something ion never wanna do is make the apl

[lucid olive]

its not that bad until you get lost in the sauce

[royal zenith]

just a skill as anything else

[lofty depot]

Uhh, the apl sometimes has conditions that it cares about that u can then think about....

U then can know maybe why it does it

[errant flint]

if you when you at not there and read think when do

[lucid olive]

just don't let clankz anywhere near it and you'll be fine

[lofty depot]

But for ur sake of sanity u should just ask questions lol

[royal zenith]

I do have a question for you @errant flint

[errant flint]

sure

[royal zenith]

do you know the difference between feral and balance

[lofty depot]

Clanker good

[lucid olive]

your sim might lose like 1.4% damage but you will be spared a migraine

[royal zenith]

if you compare the 2 specs?

[errant flint]

furries

[royal zenith]

apart from one being a cat one being an owl

I KNEW IT!

[lofty depot]

No it gains 2% ezpz

For free

[errant flint]

Id rather play SV than feral any day

[lucid olive]

Oh you want to know when to use your cooldowns? Okay man it's actions+=/variable,name=pre_cd_condition,value=(!talent.whirling_stars|!talent.convoke_the_spirits|cooldown.convoke_the_spirits.remains<gcd.max*2|fight_remains<cooldown.convoke_the_spirits.remains+3|cooldown.convoke_the_spirits.remains>cooldown.ca_inc.full_recharge_time+15*talent.control_of_the_dream)&(variable.on_use_trinket=0|(variable.on_use_trinket=1|variable.on_use_trinket=3)&(trinket.1.cooldown.remains>cooldown.ca_inc.full_recharge_time+(15*talent.control_of_the_dream)|!talent.convoke_the_spirits&hero_tree.elunes_chosen&(trinket.1.cooldown.duration<=100&trinket.1.cooldown.remains>cooldown.ca_inc.full_recharge_time-cooldown.ca_inc.duration|trinket.1.cooldown.duration>=100&cooldown.ca_inc.charges_fractional=1&(trinket.1.cooldown.duration>?cooldown.ca_inc.full_recharge_time))|talent.convoke_the_spirits&(cooldown.convoke_the_spirits.remains<3&(ceil((fight_remains-10)%cooldown.convoke_the_spirits.duration)>ceil((fight_remains-trinket.1.cooldown.remains-10)%cooldown.convoke_the_spirits.duration))|cooldown.convoke_the_spirits.remains>trinket.1.cooldown.remains&cooldown.ca_inc.full_recharge_time-cooldown.ca_inc.duration<trinket.1.cooldown.remains+15)|trinket.1.cooldown.remains+6>fight_remains|trinket.1.cooldown.ready)|variable.on_use_trinket=2&(trinket.2.cooldown.remains>cooldown.ca_inc.full_recharge_time+(15*talent.control_of_the_dream)|!talent.convoke_the_spirits&hero_tree.elunes_chosen&(trinket.2.cooldown.duration<=100&trinket.2.cooldown.remains>cooldown.ca_inc.full_recharge_time-cooldown.ca_inc.duration|trinket.2.cooldown.duration>=100&cooldown.ca_inc.charges_fractional=1&(trinket.2.cooldown.duration>?cooldown.ca_inc.full_recharge_time))|talent.convoke_the_spirits&(cooldown.convoke_the_spirits.remains<3&(ceil((fight_remains-10)%cooldown.convoke_the_spirits.duration)>ceil((fight_remains-trinket.2.cooldown.remains-10)%cooldown.convoke_the_spirits.duration))|cooldown.convoke_the_spirits.remains>trinket.2.cooldown.remains&cooldown.ca_inc.full_recharge_time-cooldown.ca_inc.duration<trinket.2.cooldown.remains+15)|trinket.2.cooldown.remains+6>fight_remains|trinket.2.cooldown.ready))&cooldown.ca_inc.remains<gcd.max&!buff.ca_inc.up

[royal zenith]

why is that?

[errant flint]

yea its like right there

[abstract parrot]

dw feral players would rather play anything other than feral these days

[royal zenith]

comfort or playstyle

[abstract parrot]

not an abnormal opinion

[eager raft]

We really had someone tell a guy looking to learn the spec to go read this to learn

[lofty depot]

Lol

[glad helm]

people can't read and comprehend text nowadays they say

[errant flint]

im not a code readyer im a data maker

[lucid olive]

real

these new gens

[royal zenith]

can't read, or don't want to

[lofty depot]

Well the apl is code....

[normal pilot]

just ask grok about the apl

[lofty depot]

That one variable is longer than frost mage apl

[errant flint]

cursed

[royal zenith]

I dunno it's dumb to already decide for someone else instantly that they shouldn't read the apl

[lucid olive]

Not me sending 1000s of daily questions to Oi figuring out wtf this stuff meant

[royal zenith]

give em options

[lofty depot]

I think it's a better use of a new players time to not read the apl

[lucid olive]

reading APL without context can be kinda weird

[royal zenith]

they can answer for themselves if they want to do that or don't

[lucid olive]

I know one of those "I make free UIs for every spec!!!" people that will read the APL for every spec and decide what's worth tracking based on it

[royal zenith]

and tendy already did as an example

[lucid olive]

and I had to tell him that you should be tracking Dreamstate even if it's not mentioned much in the APL

[tired granite]

Better than what most of them do

[lofty depot]

U ever heard the phrase, u don't know what u don't know

[lucid olive]

yeah most of them just ship it so that's fair

[lofty depot]

Meaning u can't understand or question yet what u don't know.

[royal zenith]

All I know is I instruct people irl

so yeah

[smoky remnant]

friends is sim updated for prepatch

[lucid olive]

Deux is yoga instructor?

[errant flint]

I am here. Just enough knowledge to play not enough to master this spec.

[lucid olive]

no

[royal zenith]

no I give training for google analytics, google ads, etc.

anything digital marketing

[smoky remnant]

F

[void jacinth]

im gonna tell pewdiepie

[royal zenith]

he's a stinker

[errant flint]

I wanna get this down to focus on rdruid learning next

[eager raft]

cmon man

[smoky remnant]

this or this

[lofty depot]

Which is why base knowledge is easier to give by reading the prio list and guide rather than that

[royal zenith]

cmon what

[void jacinth]

me

[royal zenith]

you're being a lil child about it

YOU cmon

!!

[eager raft]

???????????

[royal zenith]

here

I see you

I'm watching you

[void jacinth]

deux is losing his yoga gig to AI

[royal zenith]

not too scared about losing my gig

[errant flint]

Making the APL for guides and reading the APL as a player only are two different things

[royal zenith]

have many other talents

[eager raft]

Bro would you tell one of the ppl you’re instructing the advice to go read the code as a first step to learning

[void jacinth]

oh honey, we know

[eager raft]

Be for real

[royal zenith]

I think you're just focusing on that part