i forgot the name of your druid
#balance
lucid olive
dense steeple
dense steeple
Log into it this week and let the app update then
eager raft
lucid olive
yeah bloomkin-saurfang eu
dense steeple
It cant update if you dont log in
fickle hill
Im also experiencing another bug where when I press force of nature, they auto cast on my cursor. And I dont have any @mosueover macros for FON
._.
fickle hill
same for celestial allignment
drifting nova
what le fuck
dense steeple
Trust me. You still gotta log in
lucid olive
Im also experiencing another bug where when I press force of nature, they auto c...
you cant spawn them on your target
drifting nova
I did the crown co TODAY
dense steeple
On war?
eager raft
how many do i have
drifting nova
on like 40chars
dense steeple
on like 40chars
Wasted time
drifting nova
I dont believe the "first of the day has bonus rng" bs
dense steeple
how many do i have
Char/realm
eager raft
Rezpectable-Thrall
dense steeple
I dont wanna spell wrong
drifting nova
it threw me for a loop back in the day fighting saurfang
didnt know realms were named after characters
lucid olive
its so weird
your only options for treants is the default behaviour which is a targeting reticle spawned on your cursor, using a @cursor macro to spawn it without the reticle or a @player macro to spawn them under your feet
either way it doesnt really matter, treants spawning on your cursor is normal
fickle hill
so what happens is during combat, if i press treants
they automatically spawn without me clicking
usually you get the little circle to choose where they go
same thing for orbital strike
fickle hill
setting enabled
know which place its under?
lucid olive
combat
dense steeple
Rezpectable-Thrall
drifting nova
but why would you want cursor treants
drifting nova
yeah that looks about right
do you even play
eager raft
i play the way the game is meant to be played
meager storm
i may have less than that lowkey
fickle hill
could it be this one ๐ค
eager raft
stand in main city until you get summoned to your queued content
fickle hill
but why would you want cursor treants
oh i dont, i want it to stop
lucid olive
idk turn it off and check innit
fickle hill
idk turn it off and check innit
trying ty
drifting nova
cursor macros til I die (thankfully I dont need them anymore)
but feet macros are good
lucid olive
oh well character bricked gg
eager raft
did turning off the press and hold fix it
lucid olive
man not camped on dummies
drifting nova
the dart gods were nice today
eager raft
it does not appear to be press and hold
eager raft
o i think u might be right
i had it on a mouse bind but when i put it on a key it brings the reticule up for .2 seconds then casts trees
fickle hill
cuz it was also doing it to vortex
maiden pasture
We get another 3% aura?
are you surprised or
maiden pasture
so bosses can die in 55s instead of 56 or what
eager raft
i think that fixed it
yeah its definitely press and hold doing it]
sacred tulip
just give me my starfall dmg back so I can pad and feel good
fickle hill
yeah its definitely press and hold doing it]
yeah wtf XD
craggy sonnet
So why would you want the reticle
fickle hill
more reliable aiming
lucid olive
aiming treants
fickle hill
What are you aiming at
it affects all spells
vortex
orbital
etc
you may want to maximize area of effect for those spells
lucid olive
yeah all those are macrod [@cursor]
craggy sonnet
Yes. Don't use press and hold
eager raft
its just personal preference u dont have to explain yourself
craggy sonnet
But make macro for trees
lucid olive
what respectable said
fickle hill
But make macro for trees
gotcha, but also i run taunt treants for delves/open world so like
thats why
i guess i could make a macro for raid
and dungeons sure
craggy sonnet
It really doesn't require a high degree of accuracy. But yeah, do whatever you vibe with I guess
lofty depot
gotta have precision in my +11 delve
eager raft
holy shut up man
lofty depot
u just said u used taunt trees
junior thicket
does someone know why i dont have any chat tabs after installing gamz ui?
lofty depot
can we not lie
lucid olive
gg
craggy sonnet
Streamer mode
eager raft
dont click a mailbox
fleet thorn
how big are these buffs we play boomy now?
lofty depot
for boss 4 yea
lucid olive
how big are these buffs we play boomy now?
3% feral buff you better sharpen those claws
ripe slate
surely im allowed to play moonkin on the endboss for the first time in 5 tiers 
bleak rivet
how big are these buffs we play boomy now?
Looking at the sims, Iโd say about 3%
ripe slate
but u play resto for some reason kek
bro my hpal had a generational fuckin crashout its unreal
ive never seen a falling from grace so fast in my life
lofty depot
story time?
ripe slate
no theyre just stupid
they played a build used by 1 player who was way better than them and couldnt solo heal right side because of it
also didnt know how the p1 salad stack mech worked 150 pulls into the boss
they kept trying to bubble at the end of the phase and asssumed the p1->p2 transition aoe was just killing them
lofty depot
by the time i got to nexusking people found out about the cyclone shit... and naturally every fucking kill i had to cyclone someone
ripe slate
i wish i knew about that i couldve saved their dumbass every time
they had like 20% p1 survival rate 
lofty depot
jesus
cloud citrus
by the time i got to nexusking people found out about the cyclone shit... and na...
We had 3 druids basically cloning 3 people nearly every pull until we killed it
This is what happens when people swap mains!
neon forge
Does anyone log review in this discord?
sour rampart
Well, only about half the people in this channel can read so
lofty depot
Does anyone log review in this discord?
shore
wild dune
@lofty depot hi is boomie saved
lofty depot
yea grow up
wild dune
karmic root
when do we use eclipses?
lucid olive
when it feels right
dusty bluff
3% on the 17th ??? Holy shit weโre so back
karmic root
when it feels right
doesn't help much but thanks
mild chasm
3% on the 17th ??? Holy shit weโre so back
๐
lofty depot
doesn't help much but thanks
probably with a lot of asp
probably if ur gonna overcap on charges anytime in the near futuyre
probably with trees if its possible and or ca isnt coming up soon
nimble tangle
need buff, more buff still
delicate perch
probably with trees if its possible and or ca isnt coming up soon
So only maybe if none of those are met? Got it
lofty depot
next weekend forsureeeeeeeee
wicked shuttle
normal pilot
2.83% only
normal pilot
feral got the extra decimals
lofty depot
fricc
lofty depot
sending tuning on a friday and not updating the game til tuesday is criminal
i hate them
sour rampart
lmao
you don't like waiting all weekend?
if we don't get a blue post on crests i'm going to drive my truck off a bridge
lofty depot
i mean.. arcane and demo ahve been like this for weeks....
maybe they were doing calculations on how to nerf them for that time
lofty depot
well neither do i lol
sour rampart
Tuning can happen every week
Systems changes though
They are running out of time to do system changes
It becomes much harder to change crests after EA when people start acquiring them
sour rampart
https://klipy.com/gifs/spongebob-squarepants-get-out-4
I jump scare my raiders every time I randomly end up in their discords
nimble tangle
Rumor saying itโs demo lock bug caused ridiculous damage
nimble tangle
Great indie company
Doesnโt know how to fix codes
So letโs just change numbers
Ez
pseudo merlin
Wdym m+
lofty depot
cant tell what specs look like based off of m+ damage
pseudo merlin
Ah yeah
merry ibex
Buy the dip boys
Boomkin stocks going to the moon
I saw it in a vision as I did iowaska in the desert
hollow mist
happy valentine's day boomies hope ur having a good weekend love u 
pseudo merlin
I saw it in a vision as I did iowaska in the desert
is iowaska ayahuasca from iowa?
pseudo merlin
happy valentine's day boomies hope ur having a good weekend love u <:hugtransfem...
you too 
drifting nova
is iowaska ayahuasca from iowa?
from huasca, duh
river galleon
Let's gooo another 3% buff, only 97% more to go!
pseudo merlin
from huasca, duh
did they fix sheep pathing?
i got them all in 1 go
that used to be impossible
delicate perch
did they fix sheep pathing?
idk ask him @vital hound
merry ibex
is iowaska ayahuasca from iowa?
Maybe
pseudo merlin
idk ask him <@126112819476168705>
vital hound
idk ask him <@126112819476168705>
nah we're busted
livid jay
does someone knnow what produces this when i target myself?
potent cargo
does someone knnow what produces this when i target myself?
type /fstack
hover over it
will tell u what is more or less
livid jay
well i cant cause for some reason its gone now even tho i didnt do anything 
good hint tho ty
tight trellis
Looks like Quartz Castbar - Buff Tracking. Not 100% sure tho!
livid jay
that might be it yea
stone ocean
How fucked are we
@severe hollow
Should I just re roll resto! I think it might do more dps
Honestly itโs okay I will just prepare some snacks for the bench Iโm gonna kms
stone ocean
@lucid olive
jaunty blaze
why are we crashing out
stone ocean
Please reference the recent patch notes where we are 20k behind and we got a 600 dps increase
jaunty blaze
first time?
stone ocean
No but this is the worst one
stone ocean
pallid crest
hows balance looking in PTR/pre-expansion?
been looking on some streams, looks like we need some love?
sudden flame
so now we are 600 ahead
600 ahead of guardian maybe
quiet drift
guys do i even need wrath now with ec?
Prepull and potential niche optimization
lofty depot
been looking on some streams, looks like we need some love?
Me wondering what streams it looks good on
But m+ damage is fake... Who knows
pallid crest
ya, been on the mage path last season, missing my owl
but we got 6 new mages in guild
lofty depot
Honestly itโs okay I will just prepare some snacks for the bench Iโm gonna kms
Why r u getting benched.
Surely not a DPS thing
stone ocean
lofty depot
but we got 6 new mages in guild
Smh, they don't like u
Recruited ur mage spot, smh
I mean there's a lot of pad adds, and we "should" do more damage to that... But boss damage wise idk
Seems sus
maiden pasture
Why r u getting benched.
Shit spec mate
void jacinth
twin lotus
pull up in the grove with an iced out treant
plucky valley
Mark of the wild cuz we finna get lit
meager storm
tender elbow
does someone knnow what produces this when i target myself?
draconic augment...is that the Dragonflight augment rune? ๐
pseudo merlin
@drifting nova I told a guy to go kill spiders northwest of tai bwo bwanna for favour rather than hacking at bushes
he said "ok thx" and ran off east
he ran around the whole karamja and then 10 minutes later i found him back at tai bwo hacking bushes
American education at its finest
fiery kindle
when will we go on strike
lofty depot
we dont go on strike
fiery kindle
wy
lofty depot
because some of us arent children
if u want to go on strike, u can visit the ret pally discord
fiery kindle
๐คก
lofty depot
caring about prepatch damage
fiery kindle
Do you think there will be a difference in the regular season
lofty depot
a difference in what
fiery kindle
I feel like we're going to hit those damage again
lofty depot
u think ur going to be doing the same damage ur currently doing, but 10 lvls higher
fiery kindle
bro devoruer hit 120k+ xD
lofty depot
wow i care so much
jaunty blaze
chinese logs 
lofty depot
well he couldnt link his logs, it wouldnt look as good
jaunty blaze
so it would seem
minor anchor
Logsmaxxing for clout
true viper
minor anchor
Also on bosses that are skippable aka PURELY for logs
loud kettle
with a 7 you can give a no context screenie
loud kettle
๐
lofty depot
thats good button
lofty depot
..... silly it wasnt from prepatch
as stated prepatch doesnt matter
why would i link that shit
wait
i was suppose to give no context
fuck
loud kettle
Also on bosses that are skippable aka PURELY for logs
purely for logs? One simply cannot think of another reason why those bosses might be getting killed?
minor anchor
SIR! What items did you purchase with your dinars?
loud kettle
voidcore 1h twice, diamantine core twice, forge, antenna
minor anchor
ye i suppose there is more than 3 items you would ideally buy
minor anchor
so you need to drop them
omg i just remembered the boots and I have this bad feeling the one boss raids might contain items like that
clever ibex
Wowhead borked? Mentions KOTG for all content but talent build links to EC.
normal pilot
unlucky, can't even blame tettles now
loud kettle
I hate gamz
sour rampart
Photoshopped
lofty depot
could blame someone ๐
lofty depot
Wowhead borked? Mentions KOTG for all content but talent build links to EC.
where r u looking
clever ibex
talent builds on wowhead
clever ibex
yep, those seem correct, just this one that was borked
uncut roost
Shouldn't it link to arcane mage?
lofty depot
no, that spec is in the dirt 
uncut roost
Demonology warlock then
jaunty blaze
who is not in the dirt
jaunty blaze
at least we are clean doe
lofty depot
bright sides
uncut roost
please keep up
Can't been playing Silksong and Hades nonstop
jaunty blaze
playing games and having fun instead of dooming on discord???
vital hound
no, that spec is in the dirt <:grr:1176829059158786059>
frost gang
young stirrup
How does boomkin look in midnight so far?
lofty depot
gameplay more fun surely
solid heath
How does the new eclipse spell affect opener/rotation for ST builds? since removal of 4 set bonus id assume you get more out of doing CA+Treants+Convoke and maximize AP usage. and immediatly you go out of CA pop eclipse until AP is full again and then enter 2nd CA ?
lofty depot
if u played seeason 1 or 2 in tww its like that
this is likely incorrect but its a sim question
you will want to prio gaining asp before entering a new eclipse
ur 2nd CA is with 2nd trees
solid heath
Ahh that probably makes more sense, i was thinking about having two charges on eclipse and then you might aswell can use one to minmax dps as you will overcap the charges either way
solid heath
Yeah, well your answer gives me a sense of what direction since i felt like with all the changes i wasnt sure on what the "correct" way to play is
solid heath
Well yeah, but its a good direction for me to continue research and find out what works best
gaunt ruin
I think it doesnโt matter for now. Just wait until midnight release. We will figure it out then
lofty depot
we ๐ locken
calm island
Has anyone done way too early midnight sims?
plucky valley
Has anyone done way too early midnight sims?
No I havenโt
drifting nova
valorstones are going right
lofty depot
Has anyone done way too early midnight sims?
not us sorry
maiden pasture
valorstones are going right
yes
lofty depot
maybe next weekend
drifting nova
yes
just tried to upgrade an item..for some dumb reason and IT HAS A TRANSFER COST
why do currencies have a transfer cost
maiden pasture
idk blizzard hate making it easy to play multiple chars
lucid olive
valorstones are going right
replaced with gold
its now like 20 gold to upgrade an item woahza
hasty mirage
nothing in life is free
jaunty blaze
what if im broke
drifting nova
yeah, that
at this point I dont even know whats happening with tmogs
is it still costed
jaunty blaze
yes
drifting nova
blizzard still trying to put the garrison gold machines back in the bottle
cloud citrus
Shadowlands table still made a lot too btw
jaunty blaze
it was over a decade ago blizzard let it go ๐ญ
cloud citrus
if you had 20 toons setup getting aug runes was like 2 mil a month
drifting nova
eh still the same thing wod was the start
like either make it a real amount
for a real gold sink
but a piss useless amount does nothing
fast elm
Bah, really want a glyph of stars update
lofty depot
Bah, really want a glyph of stars update
if u wanna see ur character model, go play mage
lofty depot
fire chicken >
lucid olive
did that shi on purpose
cloud citrus
lol
drifting nova
it being not expensive isnt the point
cloud citrus
Gamz causing chaos
lucid olive
ocassionally need to see if kekkers passes the turing test
cloud citrus
o wow didnt even realise that was kekkers
drifting nova
wtf
sour rampart
you tell an idiot that it now costs gold and they flip out
Lol do you not tell them it's like 3k gold a season?
drifting nova
fast elm
if u wanna see ur character model, go play mage
I just prefer my character not to be a chicken. You do you however
lofty depot
well thats what glyph of stars does
drifting nova
objectively wrong choice
lofty depot
but who wants to look like a mage and not do mage damage
junior thicket
i no like the eclipse being a clickable ability now but im just not use to it lmao i see myself pressing double wraths all the time
also does /cancelaura Starlord not work anymore
??ร
quiet drift
No
junior thicket
sadge
lofty depot
also does /cancelaura Starlord not work anymore
read the starlord tooltip
junior thicket
ye did now i see
fast elm
Eclipse and incarnation are a really weird combination, as they both have 2 charges (talented) and functionally feels similar. Pops the same apex talents too. Kinda weird when most specs gets streamlined
lofty depot
well eclipse is only 1 of the eclipses not 2. only procs 1 part of said apex talents... and doesnt give crit or haste
meager storm
boat is crit, what is this orange name talking about
pallid bay
rename CA to improved eclipse 
lucid olive
can't, the name is already used
normal pilot
you just rename eclipse to minor alignment
meager storm
this guy
lofty depot
doesnt know incarn gives crit... silly
meager storm
i know it does
lofty depot
clearly doesnt
pallid bay
syzygy
lucid olive
Just let there be 3 stances you enter, Misaligned, Minor Alignment and Major Alignment
normal pilot
which one gives you piss-tone
lucid olive
Doing damage in Major Alignment stores a buff that is consumed by casting a Starsurge when you're Misaligned 
meager storm
i have a better word for misaligned but cant say it
lofty depot
hey thanks thats a good gif
misaligned is eclipse button, minor alignment is pulsar, major alignment is ca
gogogo
normal pilot
smh letting shit pollute your desktop when installing
meager storm
are there any chances of them bringing back pulsar at all or is that like forever gone
normal pilot
it's an even shittier mechanic with WAs dead so they won't bring it back
lofty depot
theyre gonna see us not press starfire and be like... well u should be using that and bring back empowerments to justify it
meager storm
normal pilot
why would you want that over simply being able to cast more Cds when yo uneed it
meager storm
cds just feel worse than pulsar atm
lofty depot
better to bring back IFE and make 2 charge CD baseline
TRUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
meager storm
cook weaver into the cds holy cinema
lofty depot
making CA 2m natty requires no skill
bring IFE back and u work to the 2m cd
skill check
lofty depot
yea and then make the beam a 1m cd somewhere in the capstones and call it syzygy
meager storm
i just love how we had that on df s3 for a bit and they just removed it cuz pvpers iirc
lofty depot
pvpers do be cringe
normal pilot
i mean, they could've just made it a diff pvp talent for w/e that reason was
don't blame the pvpers it was the devs
lofty depot
doesnt fit the narrative
drifting nova
orbital strike should apply all the dots
idk what that is but yes
meager storm
choice node with whirling stars
drifting nova
oh the clunky aim one
meager storm
yes
drifting nova
just wanted new moon to apply just moonfire tbh
pallid bay
smh letting shit pollute your desktop when installing
aint nobody looking at the desktop anyway
lucid olive
aint nobody looking at the desktop anyway
this shit the first thing i disable
maiden pasture
how often do you actually see your desktop
lucid olive
when i turn my PC on
pallid bay
if i actually want to access something on the desktop i use explorer..
maiden pasture
mine is legit empty
lucid olive
if i actually want to access something on the desktop i use explorer..
windows button + d
lucid olive
i don't have any icons on my desktop so i just search instead yeah
pallid bay
windows button + d
thats just worse
lucid olive
i think you can windows + d, press the icon on desktop and then windows + d again to bring back all the windows you had up
pallid bay
if anything u'd use command palette
lucid olive
or maybe i'm wrong depending how fast that window opens up idk
haven't had anything on my desktop since windows vista..
pallid bay
on work pc its actually useful
have some useful once per year software
so i never remember the names
lucid olive
crazy
dense steeple
Wallpaper engine go brrr
lucid olive
My desktop is always running
are you at 18 days yet
normal pilot
hey i'm at 18d too
lucid olive
huge
normal pilot
had to reboot cuz geforce driver
dense steeple
Im only at 4 days cause windows update
I dont shut it off ever unless I am going out of town for the weekend though
Just rolling restarts
Like the wow servers ofc
lucid olive
I found some program that checked the lifetime uptime of your hard-drives but I forgot what it was
dense steeple
i just got new harddrives last year so it wouldnt even be helpful for me
normal pilot
prolly just reads off the smart data, bunch of programs do that
lucid olive
it was CrystalDiskInfo i think
normal pilot
yeah
lucid olive
prolly just reads off the smart data, bunch of programs do that
ye makes sense
normal pilot
but also that data can just get changed by user
lucid olive
I can sell my hard drive as "lightly used" 
normal pilot
yeah that's what you do you jsut reset it
lucid olive
8 core andy
normal pilot
not even 9850
dense steeple
9850 not worth
lucid olive
not even 9950x3d
normal pilot
sounds like poor speaking
lucid olive
lucid olive
swift elbow
is it my macroes or is starlord suppose to reset on entering eclipse?
maiden pasture
read starlord tooltip
swift elbow
ok did it always reset? I never realised if that was the case
craggy sonnet
i kindly refuse. aint never gonna catch me reading any of my talents
maiden pasture
no its new with the prepatch
pallid bay
are you at 18 days yet
at some point wow timers stop working because of uptime
swift elbow
did they give a reasoning for this? seems super annoying xD
lofty depot
because we were gonna do some gamer shit
and it was more cringe and what u consider is currently annoying
normal pilot
yeah how is it annoying
craggy sonnet
only apl believers cancelled the right way
swift elbow
I guess you'll just have to prep astral power before eclipse instead of prepping for starlord to fall off?
lofty depot
whos apl
maiden pasture
noobs had that shit macro'd into CA. real gamers cancelled in on pure vibes
lofty depot
I guess you'll just have to prep astral power before eclipse instead of prepping...
why not both
craggy sonnet
I guess you'll just have to prep astral power before eclipse instead of prepping...
as god (cenarius) intended
this was kinda the idea anyways considering starlord and eclipse duration
swift elbow
why not both
yay double the energy pooling x.X
maiden pasture
well the thing is
craggy sonnet
and the entire idea of cancelling was usually to align that again
maiden pasture
you're always pooling
lofty depot
but will depend if elunes challenge is good
maiden pasture
lofty depot
and if u want to have under 40 asp leaving eclipse or not
and then wanting asp for ur next eclipse how much is optimal
craggy sonnet
elunes challenge man .. its such a weird one
loud kettle
It'll go up when we start crit vers stacking and losing haste
But yea probably needs buffed
lofty depot
we swipe spaming pog
first the locks were prepulling with their rain of fire
now swipe spammers gonna prepull
loud kettle
The timing isn't very tight
Just need the opening rake to drop you below the threshold and you're golden
normal pilot
just make energy reset on pull it's not fair some specs get to start with max resource
loud kettle
Let em know gas
loud kettle
cuz screw you that's why
lone moat
Where would you place Balance on this chart? If there's any significant difference between hero trees, please specify
royal zenith
depends on the tierset
lone moat
lmao ๐ญ
royal zenith
EC is sustain
'current' tierset has more burst
for KOTG
typically we're sustained
but might've changed a bit in Midnight with mastery changes and what not 
easiest is to just open logs and check damage pattern for classes/specs
potent cargo
Where would you place Balance on this chart? If there's any significant differen...
There isn't a place on the chart for boomy right now
delicate perch
and it's the leaky slime at the bottom
lucid olive
if you're shit at all of it are you not just a dot in the middle
brave gulch
please answer in good faith....
royal zenith
maybe KOTG tierset rn is actually a bit of ramp
lucid olive
moonkin right now is like waterboy when he first joins the team in Dispatch
royal zenith
but versus venthyr it's not
lone moat
if you're shit at all of it are you not just a dot in the middle
technically yes
royal zenith
lone moat
but this is relative, not absolute
royal zenith
hey at least we're good at council fights
lone moat
lmao ๐ญ
royal zenith
kinda depends on why you're asking the question anyway
if you like bursty classes, play melee
royal zenith
okay calm down buddy
lone moat
kinda depends on why you're asking the question anyway
i wanna plot themon a chart for comparison as a personal project
this is where i'm at
lone moat
lmao
lucid olive
really just depends on talent choices and target count
royal zenith
it's like in between arcane and demo for the typical raid setup (ST)
lucid olive
kotg in raid which is the preferred talent choice is very bursty
while EC is very flat dmg profile
in AoE theres some ramp with spreading dots, and keeper is bursty on aoe and dogshit out of CDs and EC is good at sustained stacked cleave
royal zenith
also devourer is a very funny damage pattern
lone moat
really just depends on talent choices and target count
if it's significant enough i will do plot it differently on the chart (see SP, devourer, feral)
lucid olive
stacked cleave cause EC needs targets to get hit by FoE
royal zenith
I also don't agree with the aug placement
lone moat
Thank you for all your answers!
royal zenith
but that's a side-note
royal zenith
aug has breath of eons which is tons of damage
plus in raids usually burst moments are very important
the playstyle is sustain/uptime
but that's any caster
lucid olive
i'd prob do moonkin something like this maybe
royal zenith
aug leans heavily on their burst window ->
(and obviously when other classes pop their coolies)
so it also depends on your definition of sustain, I guess
gameplay versus damage pattern etc.
royal zenith
i'd prob do moonkin something like this maybe
loud kettle
Feral is simultaneously all of them and none of them
lucid olive
so it also depends on your definition of sustain, I guess
yeah idk if sustained single target is really a thing anymore?
actually think that described fury warrior for manaforge
royal zenith
frostmage with icyveins uptime was a typical sustain spec
but I think they got changed too?
BM hunter used to be sustain until they got the 2min cd
lucid olive
fire mage usually pretty sustained as well actually
royal zenith
ye
lucid olive
maybe less now with less combust uptime
lucid olive
yeah i played some fire in undermine
don't think it's very fun when combust becomes your default mode
royal zenith
lucid olive
same argument as eclipse to me
royal zenith
you just get a lot of FOMO with playstyles like that
(hence why pulsar was icky for a lot of people)
does have more skill expression
bad fire mage is actually a bad fire mage
lucid olive
yeah i'm a bad fire mage
royal zenith
same
lucid olive
i prefer arcane
lucid olive
what do you think about new devastation
lucid olive
i was hitting a dummy for 6 minutes until i realized shattering star was removed
royal zenith
kek
lucid olive
i kept pressing it before every 2nd fire breath
engulf being removed is a W but idk what i think about new flameshaper
royal zenith
well I know they removed shattering star and also engulf?
did see them pop off in logs, cause short fights
lucid olive
your fire breath gets 2 charges and your spells consume the duration for more damage
livid jay
draconic augment...is that the Dragonflight augment rune? ๐
yea i been using that one ever since
couldnt be arsed to farm rep for new one xD
lucid olive
so you always tip the scales on the blue one so fire breath has full duration from stage 1 cast
lucid olive
i hated that spell
royal zenith
I mean, it's a shit spell
lucid olive
it did like 80% of my dmg in opener but it felt so bad to press
royal zenith
so you're right about that
lucid olive
like at least make my guy do some fancy hand movement or a cool voice line or something
and the ramp for engulf became too sequence-y
like "just press these 3 buttons in order every 20 seconds" type
they made a new talent that makes you press Azure Strike
i don't wanna press that button man ๐ญ
lucid olive
devourer does obscene damage
royal zenith
but fluup said it's pretty buggy/shit atm
not working as intended
and I trust that dude
lucid olive
i heard something about them not even taking apex talents on beta
royal zenith
loud kettle
Based
lucid olive
but i might be wrong, not that well versed in devourer
royal zenith
look at this
it's too funny
nothing for a whole 20 seconds
probably just building resources
and then BOOOMMMMM
royal zenith
lucid olive
and its the same thing 
royal zenith
that's too good
true viper
Gn
royal zenith
that's why I wanna try it, cause that shit is kinda unique for wow classes
but only if intended
lucid olive
isnt it a banger opener
lucid olive
can't wait to have to hold damage to wait for the DH to stack up for his cooldowns
lucid olive
idk there's just more options now
some people prefer having less addons, but more complete addons that do multiple things
where others have more addons, but that maybe do like 1 or 2 things
there's also just loads of UI packs on Wago for free anyway and those will usually get you started
royal zenith
hmm
lucid olive
looking at all the options for addons it seems daunting, but its not that bad i think
i don't see a reason to swap off elvui now either, especially since blizzard nuked all the nameplate scripts you can just use elvui for nameplates too
royal zenith
I will try some elvui
do I download via website or CF?
only see shadow and light on CF atm
(with a lot of dl's )
lucid olive
elvui isn't on CF, but I'd use WoWUp in general anyway
elvui devs don't like curseforge so they've never been on there, but WoWUp has the entire Curseforge library + other stuff anyway
royal zenith
whichever works, doesnt matter for me
lucid olive
https://wowup.io/ just do the "wowup with curseforge" one on the right
pallid bay
someone should start selling personalized UI customization
clever ibex
Lux is pretty good
minor anchor
Its a part of the journey to get a platenames addon and spend 3 hours setting it up for it to be shit but atleast youll know why
pallid bay
did they
remove 3 points from bottom
yea i guess they did and we just get them back at 90
lucid olive
remove 3 points from bottom
Yeah the bottom part is a 23 gate instead of a 20 gate in class tree
pallid bay
odd pivot
Hi, is this a place for newbie questions regarding balance?
Just curious as its not mentioned.. do balance have to manually Apply both dots on every target? Didnt sunfire go on everyone earlier?
tacit oriole
This is a โsafe spaceโ yes
lucid olive
Hi, is this a place for newbie questions regarding balance?
Just curious as its...
Sunfire is AoE yes
lost spade
Hey guys. Whats your opinion about Balance on beta in m+?
pseudo merlin
Hi, is this a place for newbie questions regarding balance?
Just curious as its...
only when @lofty depot is asleep
pseudo merlin
Hey guys. Whats your opinion about Balance on beta in m+?
I think it's the worst spec in the game atm
Atleast damage wise
jade flume
bamkin is up there imo
pseudo merlin
For example in Skyreach the top February log for demo is like 220k dps
For bamkin its 80k
But that's before the massive 3% aura buff
But also nobody is playing it, and it's beta data, so there's definitely a bias for clearly overperforming specs
And unfortunately I don't think we can sort for date/build
jade flume
Tbh at the minute it just looks like demo and arcane are the only 2 dps specs in the game on beta
which might be the case but im not playing beta so idk
junior thicket
do we still dot everything up in big aoe after the changes?
lofty depot
only when <@121360917907767296> is asleep
hmmm
lofty depot
yeah, you do - cause it's damage
dots also proc shooting stars and thats like 20% of ur damage
lost spade
I think it's the worst spec in the game atm
Worst? Hmm
royal zenith
what addon do we use to log @lofty depot
lofty depot
Worst? Hmm
its not the worst
lost spade
its not the worst
Mid field?
lofty depot
Mid field?
no its the bottom of the middle
royal zenith
think I used mrt or w.e. previously
lost spade
no its the bottom of the middle
Thx
lofty depot
Thx
but there was just an update
so see next week
also, balance on m+ doesnt matter for like 2 months
lofty depot
think I used mrt or w.e. previously
ive just used the companion app i think
unless it needed mrt to do so
cant remember
lofty depot
its not that bad no
royal zenith
devourer actually kinda fun to play
pseudo merlin
pseudo merlin
the glaive spec with like 6 extra buttons is kinda fun
pseudo merlin
rivetting gameplay
royal zenith
tbh I just like it cause it has dh's mobility
lofty depot
i cant wait to see all the mages and dhs die
royal zenith
and you can cast while moving
lofty depot
yea thats the cringe part
fossil hemlock
tbh I just like it cause it has dh's mobility
Shift feels really nice
abstract parrot
tbh I just like it cause it has dh's mobility
its fun in keys but in raid it will be really boring i think
royal zenith
that's just dh by default
fossil hemlock
its fun in keys but in raid it will be really boring i think
People historically like skill-expression CDs, just look at S2M spriest, old BoS frost dk or ravenous frenzy balance
gaunt lantern
I think that's overselling it. Heavily invested players tend to like skill-expression CDs.. I don't think the populace at large actually does
lofty depot
I think that's overselling it. Heavily invested players tend to like skill-expre...
ud be surprised the amount of people that like ravenous that were bad at it
just because they could see some big numbers
gaunt lantern
idk, the over representation of simpler specs (ret, bm, etc) tends to suggest that most people just want big number
at low effort
normal pilot
ya ppl just like overtuned things
skill expression is a cope
convoke had 0 skill required ppl loved that shit when it was overpowered
gaunt lantern
TBH I think 95% of the people arguing about skill expression are full of shit
there is a certain type of person it matters for
normal pilot
RF before overtuning required just as much skill and ppl hated that
gaunt lantern
but there were years where feral took a lot more effort than other specs
and no one played it
because even for that effort it was like middle of the pack
if skill expression was the thing that mattered, you'd have seen way more people playing it
what actually matters is people want to do big dam, and they want the other guy to do little dam
quiet drift
RF before overtuning required just as much skill and ppl hated that
Truthnuke
Dreambinder Venthyr was prolly the most fun
In SL
abstract parrot
core part of high skill expression CDs is the high reward, but low floor. If the high reward doesnโt exist then the mechanic doesnโt really function in the way it should imo
like yeah totally people like overtuned stuff, but if your high skill expression CD doesnโt have the high of pulling off the rotation then do you really have a high skill expression CD?
gaunt lantern
yes. The high skill expression is only relative to what the low is for doing it properly, not to what anyone else is doing
if you have a spec where when played properly you do 2x the damage as playing it improperly, that is 100% the definition of high skill expression
the issue is, if playing your class properly is 2x as good as not, but you are not as good as the guy over there pushing 111 2 111 2, people won't play it
fossil hemlock
Let's not start on specs when talking about CDs
abstract parrot
i think history suggests that people really like CDs that require skill expression when theyโre tuned to be skill expressive
gaunt lantern
I think the fact those types of abilities have been routinely removed due to player complaints suggests otherwise
fossil hemlock
I don't think you can prove they were removed due to player complaints
abstract parrot
yeah
fossil hemlock
Not definitely anyway
gaunt lantern
the people who like them REALLY like them. but I do not think your average casual player wants to deal with s2m or whatever
fossil hemlock
That's like saying the rets got their buffs after closing their discord channel
abstract parrot
those abilities present an enormous balancing problem as well
gaunt lantern
I mean look at breath of sindragosa
and how overwhelmingly negative feedback is about it from huge swaths of the player base
pallid bay
gaunt lantern
even if the entranched player base absolutely loves it
maiden pasture
they removed breath but introduced void meta how can you say they dont want those kind of abilities anymore when they literally added a new one lol
fossil hemlock
None
maiden pasture
no thoughts
fossil hemlock
Head empty
maiden pasture
only vibes
gaunt lantern
This is a class discord. there are no room for facts here
royal zenith
one button > all
gaunt lantern
if people cared about facts someone might actually read the pins
and we all know that's never going to happen
pallid bay
rotation has to be engaging!
maiden pasture
are you exciting to engage in midnight oi
maiden pasture
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maiden pasture
bro its so fucked
gaunt lantern
your first mistake was logging in
quiet drift
fix little bit of UI
Just take the black pill
maiden pasture
you dont love vibecoded addons?
quiet drift
Use full default
maiden pasture
i feel like theyre leaving some changes too close to release which just doesnt give people the time to develop real addons and your only choice will be vibecoded shit
maiden pasture
no ofc not
pallid bay
i feel like theyre leaving some changes too close to release which just doesnt g...
and the funny new devs
are just using whatever workaround they get their hands on
maiden pasture
i am very much expecting the "finished" product to be ready for end of midnight
craggy sonnet
kick trackers back btw
pallid bay
so chances are the addons will simply brick on release
craggy sonnet
love me taint laundering
craggy sonnet
or whatever
maiden pasture
kick trackers back btw
not for long apparently
abstract parrot
kick trackers back btw
funniest part of all of this lmfao
craggy sonnet
not for long apparently
well, hopefully
pallid bay
local launderBar = CreateFrame("StatusBar", nil, UIParent)
launderBar:SetMinMaxValues(0, 999999)
launderBar:SetScript("OnValueChanged", function(self, value)
print(value)
end)
launderBar:SetValue(secretwrap(1766))
failure on every level
maiden pasture
ayjie saidits nuked soon
lucid olive
Yeah the CD tracker workaround is gonna be fully nuked
pallid bay
this where we at atm
maiden pasture
this where we at atm
