balance

[lofty depot]

Then eclipse and trees 10s into eclipse

[crude cargo]

same for incarn

[lofty depot]

Well tbf, u did that before

U didn't send asp at the end of eclipse unless u would overcapp

[crude cargo]

and try to line up tree with an eclipse and incarn

[lofty depot]

The same still applies, uwl want to have asp when ur pressing eclipse

[crude cargo]

well now it depends on other factors like the cd of your eclipse

[rich ice]

okay i see

[lofty depot]

The CD cadence is the same still.

Trees on CD.
CA with trees
Convoke with CA

[lofty depot]

U will always want to enter eclipse with next to full asp

[crude cargo]

before it wasnt as bad as now

cuz you could always enter eclipse

[lofty depot]

It was if u were playing properly

[crude cargo]

im saying its more punishing now

[lofty depot]

U still wanted to slam surges at the start of eclipse

[crude cargo]

than it was

[lofty depot]

Sure, but the mindset should've already been there

[crude cargo]

yeah ofc + starlord changes

[lofty depot]

"I'm gonna enter eclipse, I need to slam surges for my buffs"

[rich ice]

So the problem is really with retries ?

[lofty depot]

Retries is a wrong translation?

This is on saladbar

[royal zenith]

Saladbar is a wrong translation?

[lofty depot]

1. Ur pressing trees multiple globals before CA and wasting the buff
2. Ur sending a surve well before CA

[lofty depot]

No, where else would I toss your salad silly

[royal zenith]

https://klipy.com/gifs/hold-up-hold-up-meme

[gentle scroll]

Are we not basically guaranteed to always have either eclipse or CA with trees? Even using it on CD seems like something will basically always be up for it to pair with

Even just face rolling CA CA, Eclipse, Eclipse

[halcyon root]

Hey, new here

[lofty depot]

Uh if u face roll CA no

Because it's ca eclipse CA in that rotation

[halcyon root]

Played feral and guardian all my life and now I'm giving a chance to astral chicken for the first time

Could anyone show me ur raid talents so I can have a reference?

[lofty depot]

But necessarily u should be using trees with preferably CA, but always eclipse

[lofty depot]

Wowhead

Or look them up on warcraftlogs

[halcyon root]

Alr

Ty

[gentle scroll]

good intel

[pseudo merlin]

someone needs jesus

[lofty depot]

No he needs sara's

[cedar jolt]

whats better elune's chosen or kotg

[lofty depot]

for what content

[cedar jolt]

m+ prefer

[lofty depot]

ec

[cedar jolt]

okay ty! but its so boring to play with only 2-3 buttons, we dont use wrath at all in ec build, right?

[lofty depot]

u didnt ask what was boring

u asked what was better

[cedar jolt]

ikr, just saying

[lofty depot]

yea u dont press wrath

[spice roost]

nope dont even need it on your bars

[stone ocean]

Any good guides regarding pre patch and the changes next tier

[lofty depot]

wowhead

its not a complete guide tho

[stone ocean]

Oh I see okay it seems abit dull right now

I see people playing FOE on st any context to this ?

[lofty depot]

its prepatch and theyre messing around

[stone ocean]

Ah I see okay

Will re read wow head guide but compodium will be done s1 right

[jaunty blaze]

most likely no

gamz writes for wowhead now

but maybe he does an update idk if he said something about that

[lofty depot]

He writes for method too

Too busy now

(compendium will be updated yes)

But we don't have sim, so can't write a guide on guesses and feelycraft

[tame cairn]

Hey guys. Sorry if it’s already been asked. With the balance changes- is there a clearer way I can see when I’m currently in an eclipse?

[pseudo merlin]

add it to the CDM

[normal pilot]

ya it's just a CD buff like every other cd buff

you track it the same way like you track CA

also you kind of know when you're in ecl since you've just pressed it

and eclipse uptime is no longer a relevant thing to track

[pseudo merlin]

how do I know I pressed it?

[tame cairn]

Thanks! It was more to see when it drops. Thanks for the tip. Only just back after a few months off

[vapid anvil]

Is the beta still broken?

[pseudo merlin]

what?

[drifting nova]

is the pope catholic

[drifting nova]

every had a jacket?

[lofty depot]

Servers dead

[pseudo merlin]

im doing triple kings kekkers

180 on task

how do I extend

[drifting nova]

ok but back to the jacket

[pseudo merlin]

no

why

i live in warm countries

[drifting nova]

just thinking

eating one now thought of you are your cursed potato

jacket, beans and cheese

[pseudo merlin]

he's talking about potats...

lord help me

[drifting nova]

wdym warm

you're romanian

not very warm

[pseudo merlin]

yes

its 45 in summer

[drifting nova]

yeah well is here too

sometimes

that one year

[pseudo merlin]

20 degrees in december

[drifting nova]

no way

its colder in bucharest now compared to here

wtf is this fake news

[pseudo merlin]

im also moving to sicily soon

winter doesnt go below 10 there

usually 15+

[drifting nova]

https://tenor.com/view/godfather-marlon-brando-scratch-whatever-shrug-gif-11792444060000641149

[pseudo merlin]

my 99 agi paying off at kings

ez shortcut

[drifting nova]

slaughter bracelets about it

[pseudo merlin]

isnt the a points extend

like the opposite of block

[drifting nova]

might be, bnot got myself

[pseudo merlin]

its a perm extension

[drifting nova]

can you even kill a dk

[pseudo merlin]

i just killed 10

wiuth 0 food

but only rex

[drifting nova]

mhm you were killing trices yday

[pseudo merlin]

whats ur point

theyre low s layer req

[drifting nova]

[drifting nova]

almost like me, not been back to dks since zerk ring tho

[pseudo merlin]

these dagga boys scary, idk how to attack prime without aggoring ranger

[sudden flame]

Credit card warrior

[maiden pasture]

any dreamgrove freaks done that account played addon

i wanna see the numbers

mines kinda cheeky

[meager storm]

not even a year of playtime holy

truly a sprout

[restive jolt]

just on my main i thnk ive been druid main for a while

[spice roost]

ive been playing since 2004 im scared to look at the addon

[restive jolt]

ive been playing since bfa

[spice roost]

ya ill defiantely pass

looking at that

[maiden pasture]

I started in SL

[meager storm]

sl s2

[lucid olive]

link it

[meager storm]

wowhead just made a post

[maiden pasture]

https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/account-played

[maiden pasture]

Hunter alt

I've never mained hunter

But have mained warrior priest and evoker for a tier

[meager storm]

venthyr mm was fun

a better dark ranger lowkey

[lofty depot]

Me downloading that won't be good for the mental

[lucid olive]

logging into every character to catch the data

[lucid olive]

🤝

[misty forge]

i gotta log every alt for that smh

[jaunty blaze]

less than i thought

saved

[restive jolt]

okay ill bite

[lofty depot]

I have so many deleted characters

Can't catch all the data

[restive jolt]

those poor deleted non druids

[lucid olive]

i didn't even log into my super old ones

i logged into my mage from cata and it shot up from 3 days to 30 days

[restive jolt]

lol

[lofty depot]

Jeeeez

[drifting nova]

what is it no way it tracks correctly

[lucid olive]

you log into the characfter and it pulls your /played

so why wouldnt it track correctly

[drifting nova]

mhm the other alt addon never tracked mine well idk

was like 60days short somehow

[maiden pasture]

wait bros just like me

[lucid olive]

can add all the hours from ptr and beta stuff too..

i had like 2 days /played on my mage on the war within beta

[lofty depot]

How does it do that if I can't log into those characters

[lucid olive]

why are we out here deleting characters

[lofty depot]

How do u log into tww beta

[restive jolt]

okay

[lofty depot]

Jeeeeeeez

[delicate perch]

I'm glad someone finally posted more druid time than me I was getting worried

[restive jolt]

what was urs

[lucid olive]

yeah get a life

[restive jolt]

not that far behind, my main has 499 days alone

[delicate perch]

my bad

[lucid olive]

[misty forge]

damn, pretty sad considering ive had this account since 2006 🥲

[lucid olive]

playing alone for that much can't be fun..

[delicate perch]

not even a real friend gamz

[lofty depot]

I wanna see annies... Shits gotta be like 12 years

[delicate perch]

yea u suck, do better

[dense steeple]

wanna see mine?

[restive jolt]

it wasnt alone i was casual collecting with friends

[dense steeple]

this is mine without my main

[lucid olive]

ew

[misty forge]

i should've had like x100 of that bro, took way too many breaks lmao

[delicate perch]

lock in

[dense steeple]

i logged into druid last

[delicate perch]

LOL wtf

[restive jolt]

okay yeah u win or lose idk yet

[lofty depot]

[restive jolt]

how long u been playing since tho

[dense steeple]

2004

[lucid olive]

i think actually having less played time means you've been the most mature human

[misty forge]

bro you good?

[delicate perch]

"haha oh wow thats a lot" your druid in the back:

[dense steeple]

no

[delicate perch]

https://giphy.com/gifs/hi-door-elmo-6EDGSznQA5kVCa0DfD

[misty forge]

mature human <<< good gamer

so not sure i like that outcome bro

[restive jolt]

yeah thats not so bad considering

double mine in half the time lol

[meager storm]

u guys dont want to see recruities numbers

[dense steeple]

i do

[meager storm]

if u think somas are a lot

[delicate perch]

@obsidian jetty post em up

[lucid olive]

@obsidian jetty show number

[meager storm]

he is prob asleep

[drifting nova]

eww, logging into each char

[meager storm]

do i leak em

[delicate perch]

ya

[dense steeple]

yea

[misty forge]

how do people have so much tho i really don't get it xd

[delicate perch]

well step 1 you log in

[restive jolt]

by playing the game

[dense steeple]

step 2 you exist

[jaunty blaze]

mental illness or something

[drifting nova]

logging off, time to enter the dark portal

[misty forge]

but don't you like work and shit

[restive jolt]

i wonder how many is afk for some

[drifting nova]

you think these guys have jobs?

[restive jolt]

yeah wow

[drifting nova]

fake jobs like IT

[misty forge]

bro i wish i could live without a job

[lucid olive]

considering mine is mainly from Shadowlands and onwards

[drifting nova]

got baited off bc now cant get back on aaa

[lucid olive]

its weird i have more than some others

[restive jolt]

1442 days played o.0

[dense steeple]

thats what i like to see

[restive jolt]

wait 809

[loud kettle]

Wish you could time played while not /afk

[restive jolt]

yeah that would drop for a lot of people

[meager storm]

i doubt he afks

[delicate perch]

buttons pressed log

[lucid olive]

yeah 30% of my played time is probably standing on a branch as a bird in the main city

[misty forge]

btw buffs are life now right @lucid olive - think you pinned the message?

[lucid olive]

next reset

[delicate perch]

thats the only time that matters

[misty forge]

ah aight

[delicate perch]

is there a new perch in midnight city hubs

[meager storm]

terraria calamity patch in 2 hours

lock in

[delicate perch]

I have to go outside soon 🙁

[misty forge]

this guy fucks

[restive jolt]

gross

[lucid olive]

i'm gonna watch some Wonder Man and then queue aram mayhem until i fall asleep in my chair

[dense steeple]

im going outside right now

[delicate perch]

it's to send a card to PSA so idk if I do

[delicate perch]

0d 0h bro logged in and out

[lucid olive]

you should consider other classes..

[misty forge]

id give u some if i could bro

[lucid olive]

logged in, "yep it's red", logged out

[distant nexus]

nah

[delicate perch]

yep thats a dk alright my jobs done

[lucid olive]

gripped a bird out the tree "yep okay"

[delicate perch]

[restive jolt]

missing 5 classes there

[delicate perch]

I'm slightly surprised by my order

[restive jolt]

i thought i had more on my dh tbh

[distant nexus]

others are literally level 1s with names saved

[loud kettle]

Mine is priest->druid->warlock

[restive jolt]

these are my prof druids tho

[potent cargo]

covid + afking in towns is probably 70% of my gametime lmao

[delicate perch]

ya covid ramped mine up insanely

wake up log in sleep

[lucid olive]

think that was everyone

[loud kettle]

Laps around oribos...

[lucid olive]

covid shadowlands was peak

[distant nexus]

yall must not have been "essential"

[potent cargo]

idk how many days id be at

[lucid olive]

i was very unessential

[potent cargo]

probably 1500 or somethin

lots and lots of multiboxing

[lofty depot]

Some of us were essential workers

[delicate perch]

[potent cargo]

essentially working for gallywix

[exotic storm]

Druid is my third most played class

A good chunk of that is WoD balance

Gods I loved WoD balance druid

Won one of the gladiator tournaments because of Starfall haha

I'm probably the only Sine Curve eclipse enjoyer in the world

[lofty depot]

There's plenty of them

Ur all just old as fuck and senile

[craggy sonnet]

hmmm, wonder if the quazii drama is gonna go into a 2nd (3rd?) round with someone apparently continuing the QUI project without permission

[pseudo merlin]

@drifting nova where's my ring

[drifting nova]

https://tenor.com/view/touching-grass-touch-gif-21219969

[drifting nova]

I've got it

[exotic storm]

I'm oldish, but I don't think I'm senile yet lol

WoD balance was just really fun

[pseudo merlin]

sounds like something a senile person would say

[lofty depot]

That's what a senile person would say

[exotic storm]

I'm still not sure what to think of Midnight Balance

[restive jolt]

i like the change besides the eclipse change

[lofty depot]

But he didn't get permission. It's fine

Like stealing something from someone that stole it first. Gotta be fair

[drifting nova]

the answer to that is to dislike it and go against those with schrodingers syndrome

[lofty depot]

Why don't u like the eclipse change

[exotic storm]

I'm not sure I enjoy the active/charge system

uptime is still 100% for EC right?

at least it felt like that between incarn and eclipse

[lofty depot]

rolls d20

[drifting nova]

more like 10%

[restive jolt]

i dont like the eclipse downtime, i wouldnt mind if the cd was a little hasted

[pseudo merlin]

so we're back to just always having eclipse up

[restive jolt]

or something

[pseudo merlin]

in which case why does it exist

[restive jolt]

id like more eclipse uptime

[lofty depot]

The down time means there's less of a maintence problem

[restive jolt]

fair assesment and slowly working on the changes

[lofty depot]

Needing to be in eclipse and not being able to cuz of mechanics is giga cri ge

Most people that don't like it either don't play the spec or haven't played it for enough time

[drifting nova]

just cast a spell

plan your time better

dingus

[exotic storm]

15s uptime on 32s recharge is just under 50% and then you get another 20 seconds with incarn on a 2 minute cd, it's north of 50% right?

[restive jolt]

just the age old need to plan out learn the cds and shit better but doesnt stop me from disliking it lol

[lofty depot]

60%

Ish

[lofty depot]

Sure it does

Grow up

[exotic storm]

sounds about right, I think I'd hate it more with Keeper and alternating

or does keeper just get to choose

[restive jolt]

keeper u get to choose, elune u are stuck lunar

[lofty depot]

Keeper chooses but u likely stay in solar

Unless m+

[pseudo merlin]

@drifting nova

[exotic storm]

I'm not sold on the charge system but who knows

Eclipse used to change every expansion

[pseudo merlin]

wdym used to

[lofty depot]

What's the problem with the charge system

[pseudo merlin]

the upcoming expansion changes it again, not past tense

and last titan will do it again

[delicate perch]

I hope it's a proc per wrath/starfire cast in the next expansion

@ blizzard devs

[pseudo merlin]

procs goated

[delicate perch]

and make it a reasonable % but low enough that someone will just low roll and do no damage

[exotic storm]

There was a stable period for a bit

[mellow bolt]

think balance is pretty good in 12.0.1

[pseudo merlin]

[delicate perch]

yep

[pseudo merlin]

You should probably just not have your own opinions

[mellow bolt]

do u think its not good?

[delicate perch]

they're probably allowed to vote...

[pseudo merlin]

real

[lofty depot]

no

[mellow bolt]

the buffs are pretty nice

[delicate perch]

yep they are

[pseudo merlin]

what

[lofty depot]

theyre not

[delicate perch]

don't let these people gaslight you king

you dropped your crown 💩

[pseudo merlin]

this is ragebait

it's kekkers on a dif account

[drifting nova]

I'm giga gaming on 3 games

I aint got time

[pseudo merlin]

are 2 out of the 3 your main and im?

and the third some gacha mobile game?

[drifting nova]

na, salvaging and bc

[delicate perch]

summoners war

[drifting nova]

battlegrounds actually

hearthstone but like tft

[delicate perch]

🤮

[pseudo merlin]

youre a freak

[drifting nova]

say it to my face

[pseudo merlin]

You're an even bigger freak than I thought

How are you playing a kultiran in classic

[drifting nova]

smh

[pseudo merlin]

why are you so fat

that's kultiran

[drifting nova]

r u dumb

[native wharf]

at least he doesnt massacre potatoes

[drifting nova]

woah almost made me die to the fel reaver

[pseudo merlin]

who says I didnt put the peel to good use

maybe I peeled it thick to make chips out of them

[drifting nova]

you eat oranges without peeling

you're one of those

or apple core eaters

[pseudo merlin]

[native wharf]

xd

[pseudo merlin]

I did eat apple cores when I was in jail, there was so little food available you kind of had to

[drifting nova]

met a kid moving schools thought great..few months later saw him eat an apple core

we barely spoke after

[pseudo merlin]

They're not that bad

[drifting nova]

do tell 🤔

[pseudo merlin]

tell what

that's it

[exotic storm]

I didn't realize you guys were mad at your rework

[pseudo merlin]

I dont think many people are mad at the "rework"

[drifting nova]

I am

I am many people

[pseudo merlin]

Surely not any regulars here

[drifting nova]

still waiting on my regular role

is it lost in the mail or

[pseudo merlin]

I mean regular literally

not the role

like anyone that's relevant -kekkers

[potent cargo]

rework is good

starweaver should just be baseline and the spec would bang as far as feel goes

[lucid olive]

starweaver baseline and then give back the vault of the incarnates 2pc

replace umbral embrace with it

[exotic storm]

I play a lot of druid, it's mostly balance and bear over time.

I've never enjoyed feral

[pseudo merlin]

based

[normal pilot]

maybe you'll enjoy it now tho

[pseudo merlin]

just for c larity, most people here are fine with the rework

We're not fine with tuning

[normal pilot]

they turned feral into a spec for non-feral enjoyers

[exotic storm]

Feral for a long time has felt like slower Assassination rogue lol

[pseudo merlin]

sort of

[exotic storm]

And I loathed bloodtalons

[pallid bay]

starweaver should not be baseline..

[pallid bay]

fearl kinda sucks rotationally

it was a bit fun with amirdrassil tierset

[exotic storm]

Feral always felt way to low apm for a cat is 4 fite theme

[drifting nova]

counter to that is you all dont go outside and play way too much wow

[exotic storm]

Cats are not lazy when they fight

[pseudo merlin]

They are though?

They strike quickly and conserve as much energy as possible outside of that

That's basically exactly what pooling followed by pressing a bunch of buttons is

[potent cargo]

wdym bro

its what the spec is missing as far as giving us a regular 'real' proc

[drifting nova]

it's an either or proc

not an enhancing proc

like say ele

it'l do the square root of fuck all on st fights

like it has the past 2 xpacs

[potent cargo]

starweaver + IFE

imagine the juice

how have we regressed so far since legion

[lofty depot]

Bring me back

[abstract parrot]

[pseudo merlin]

remember baseline moons

i miss legion

[lofty depot]

Give all our cool stuff to other classes

[drifting nova]

when moons actually hit

everytime I look at the talent tree it keeps reading like a .2/.3 patch

not an xpac rebalance

[pseudo merlin]

second dragon axe

where ring

[drifting nova]

idk but bout to be 77 sail

[oak valve]

Sorry guys and gals, this looks like goodbye 🙁 Addon outed me

[pseudo merlin]

whats the addon name again

account played?

[lofty depot]

Last message 1y ago. Thanks for sharing

[lofty depot]

Yes

[drifting nova]

toxic

wait

feral player

nvm continue

[lofty depot]

Can't helped it, he rolled 11-2 and I rolled a 20

[pseudo merlin]

WRONG ONE

[drifting nova]

just GET IT

[pseudo merlin]

wait

do I need to log into

EVERY FUCKING CHARACTER

for this shit

[drifting nova]

ye

why i didnt bother

[lofty depot]

And u don't get insta logged out so have to wait the 20s

[drifting nova]

still dont think I've crossed a year

[lofty depot]

I gotta go to a basketball game then I'll finish mine later

[drifting nova]

maybe I just have idk

[exotic storm]

I'm kinda happy that druid is third for me haha.

[drifting nova]

115 war, 108 druid, closer than I thought

way too lazy to do the addon

[pseudo merlin]

do the addon kekkers

ffs

[drifting nova]

I cant find it

had it earlier now cannot

[pseudo merlin]

...

[drifting nova]

oh was looking for timeplayed

whoops

every char? I've like 80

[lofty depot]

Get to work

[drifting nova]

even a paladin twink, wow not seen that in a while

[pseudo merlin]

yup

too bad

[lofty depot]

I logged into a level 10 rogue with 60 days played.... They really destroyed my levels

[drifting nova]

still wonder to this day if I have more in wow or runescape

[delicate perch]

skill issue

[lofty depot]

Too much leveling kills the brain

[exotic storm]

was that an old level 19 twink?

[lofty depot]

No it was my mop main/alt

[pseudo merlin]

10 is 19 i think

[lofty depot]

Maybe it was 40?

[dense steeple]

rogue is my 3rd but i havent touched a rogue since bc its wild

[exotic storm]

if it was mop it should be level 35 I think last time I looked at my old mop main

[pseudo merlin]

kekw

what's this, level 19 or 29 ?

i think thats 29 twink right

fire mage

[exotic storm]

that looks 29

it as SM gear

[pseudo merlin]

has the SM dagger/OH with like +30 fire dmg

was insane back in the day

[exotic storm]

I'm so mad I'll never get the olympic stuff

I wasn't playing that summer

[drifting nova]

29

thats sm

[dense steeple]

i was gonna say thats the olympics tabard right

[pseudo merlin]

loggin into that char just disconnects me

ye it is

[dense steeple]

nice nice

i also wasnt playing that summer

[pseudo merlin]

oooooooo

this is my 19 warrior twink for sure

29 rogue?

[dense steeple]

@lofty depot what the fuck is wrong with your senators

[drifting nova]

and I've lost whatever the command is

unlucky

been meaning to finish loremaster for years should prob do that soon

[exotic storm]

I had Loremaster in Cata or mop

[drifting nova]

[pseudo merlin]

loser

[drifting nova]

had to resize to fit smh

[pseudo merlin]

DH time played based

[drifting nova]

yeah I fucked it

tutorial dh before the level squish

thats it

so its like 44

instead of whatever itd be now

20?

still have a 70 boost is that from tww or

[pseudo merlin]

another dragon axe

[drifting nova]

you're a main

just buy it

[pseudo merlin]

so I should leave it on the floor

or

[drifting nova]

no the ring

[pseudo merlin]

?

im doing slayer task

[drifting nova]

only rex

or

[pseudo merlin]

prime and rex

20 chars to go

how do I make it bigger

[delicate perch]

drag the corner

[drifting nova]

holy giga nerd

I didnt even get to 1y

only....329days

[drifting nova]

spose could add classic but I guess you never played classic so

[pseudo merlin]

^ this is what breakdowns should look like if you're in here

[exotic storm]

I'm learning that many druid mains are really druid mains haha

[lucid olive]

tourist

[lofty depot]

4 specs good

[exotic storm]

I have 91 days on druid so it doesn't feel super touristy lol.

[drifting nova]

in my defence I didnt really play like 2xpacs

atleast not on this acc

[lofty depot]

That's touristy

[dense steeple]

???

[pseudo merlin]

if ur under 150 days

ur a tourist

[pseudo merlin]

shiiyet

[drifting nova]

smh like 80% ofmy druid days were in cata/mop

[dense steeple]

wait wait wait i have a friend

[delicate perch]

Log off man

Please 🙏🏻

[drifting nova]

lies

[delicate perch]

Yeah that’s a cap

No friend Andy

[lucid olive]

my gm has over 5 years total

soma slacking actually

[drifting nova]

ok but whend he start

this information is key

[lofty depot]

On like 5 toons

[drifting nova]

the mage asmongold

[pseudo merlin]

idk how the fuck people can rack up 5y

like I'd play 5 years if I could

but the content just isnt there for it?

[stone ledge]

Lots of moon guard activities

[pseudo merlin]

ye i dont afk much

some always have pc on in org afking in the background

[lofty depot]

Some people in goldshrine

[drifting nova]

huh, have a game on steam almost at my wow time

thats a surprise

[pseudo merlin]

ye

shire rpers

the filthiest of filthy

[dense steeple]

theyre actually a priest main rn

[delicate perch]

gotta be a as fuck player tbh

[dense steeple]

he is truly ancient though

[pseudo merlin]

i mean I started in 05 too

[delicate perch]

I'm at just over 2 with a LOT of afk time from legion to now

[dense steeple]

hes got literally every CE

bunch of wrath realm firsts

dude has been GAMIN

[spare dune]

Hi guys, I’m a noob to balance so stupid question - celestial alignment puts us into eclipse on our opener, and when it’s on cooldown we manually eclipse after wrath (st) right?

[delicate perch]

u just suck gg 🙁

[pseudo merlin]

[delicate perch]

[delicate perch]

yes

[drifting nova]

to think all I did in my early days was pvp

[delicate perch]

gamz can probs make up a number on aoe for lunar but its prepatch and no one cares so just vibe it

[delicate perch]

same and boy was I good!

[pseudo merlin]

pre MOP pvp was fucking goated

wait, pre cata

[drifting nova]

first to 1900 rbg rating on my server, you'l never sing that

(it's a bad server)

but still

[delicate perch]

I started retail in legion prepatch

[pseudo merlin]

lmao legionbaby

[drifting nova]

ICC was my first raid

[pseudo merlin]

my first raid was UBRS

[delicate perch]

legion was almost 10 years ago...

[uncut roost]

Sameeeeeee

[delicate perch]

[pseudo merlin]

legion 10 years ago is crazy

[delicate perch]

ya lmfao

[exotic storm]

This guy tweeted

[pseudo merlin]

thats crazy

[uncut roost]

He just stays logged in afk all day, that's what I do

[delicate perch]

that's insane

[lofty depot]

Xerwo got like 30 alts too

[delicate perch]

30 warlocks all logged in at once

[spare dune]

Crazy shit

[obsidian jetty]

@delicate perch @lucid olive @dense steeple

[pseudo merlin]

hooooly

[lofty depot]

Log off

[obsidian jetty]

way ahead of you, I only logged on to post that

[dense steeple]

[delicate perch]

[pseudo merlin]

@royal zenith time to share buddy

[dense steeple]

deux has 1 year tops

baby

[pseudo merlin]

I believe it

im betting 150d

[lucid olive]

nah deux loves this game, watch him have like 4 years

[pseudo merlin]

that would be crazy

the fuck is this

why is there 3 people at GE

[lucid olive]

casual

[pseudo merlin]

i wanna see someone with 4 years on evoker

you know they exist

[exotic storm]

I only have 50 days but that feels like a good bit for 2 expansions

[drifting nova]

down with the clankers

[pseudo merlin]

how can there only be 4 people at GE

ive legit never seen this

[glossy jungle]

rookie numbers

[pseudo merlin]

@drifting nova

[true viper]

Some of u are old as fuck

[pseudo merlin]

that list is like legit missing classes

got a problem with plate wearers buddy?

[glossy jungle]

https://i.imgur.com/mTh257s.png

[lofty depot]

hmm

[tacit oriole]

Considering my warrior was my main from 2010-2020 and picked a new main for Shadowlands(which was druid). Unfortunately I lost my first account when I started playing in 07. But All I played was warrior and hunter on that account.

[lofty depot]

shouldve just stayed dk... life wouldve been easier

[tacit oriole]

https://tenor.com/view/jonah-hill-no-chill-out-bro-nah-fam-gif-16233135

I also didnt play Dragonflight lol. Those hours are only from SL and this xpac

[formal crest]

havent played rogue and paladin heavy since slands kinda nuts

[real flax]

lol

[upbeat flume]

is this an addon or something?

[wintry furnace]

can i fully remove wrath from the m+ build?
and same can i remove starfire from PURE ST build?
from my bars 🙂

[hollow mist]

yea, Account Played

[upbeat flume]

ty

oh I gotta log on all my toons = [

[round field]

sure why not

[royal zenith]

Do I have to login for this

[hollow mist]

on every toon yea

[royal zenith]

you're kidding

[delicate perch]

no that's lakerz

[royal zenith]

tru..

[hollow mist]

[stone ledge]

not bad for starting with tww

[royal zenith]

Im surprised I have that much

[pallid bay]

casual af

[round field]

unc wasted 2 years of his life playing a video game

[loud kettle]

1.5y

Rounding that up to 2 is cruel

3 days fewer and it rounds down...

[kindred geyser]

is full moon a spell or passive

[loud kettle]

its a spell that you actively cast

[meager storm]

the orbit breaker talent also makes u proc full moons

passively

[jade flume]

What in the dk arc happened there

[pallid bay]

Wotlk

[pseudo merlin]

ye time to log in on all ur 200 chars buddy

[royal zenith]

no

[pseudo merlin]

HOLY

this isnt even all ur chars?

crazy..

[royal zenith]

they should add a graph per year

(spoiler: its less by a whole lot last few months)

[pseudo merlin]

wonder if thats possible

probably isnt

would be really ccool

@drifting nova trolls?

[minor anchor]

Does spellqueing behave "as expected" on Chanelled spells, mainly Convoke problem here?

[lofty depot]

What's convoke problem

[pallid bay]

you cant spellqueue from a channel

[minor anchor]

ye

I KNEW IT

[pallid bay]

any input will just cancel the channel and cast whatever you pressed immediately

and /cast [nochannel] spell won't queue the spell

[minor anchor]

Should I macro my Starsurge to [notchanelling

[pallid bay]

maybe its nochanneling

i have it set up like that

rather take a 0.2ms gap than cancelling too early

[minor anchor]

ye of course

[minor anchor]

But you can still que Starsurges macroed like this into normal casting, yes? it doesnt break it or smth?

[pallid bay]

ya

if you're not channeling it works just like it normally would

[minor anchor]

thas good

[lofty depot]

Should do it on Starfall aswell

[minor anchor]

makes perfect sense

[drifting nova]

wdym you are one

[pseudo merlin]

[round field]

thats dumb and unintuitive

i think we should remove convoke to fix it

thoughts @pallid bay

no channel no problem

[drifting nova]

wdym trolls

[pallid bay]

[jade flume]

sudoku angel

[merry ibex]

i love my unbalance druid

[pseudo merlin]

TROLLS

anyway that was 10 tasks ago, I did death plateau

[drifting nova]

OH TROLLS

ice trolls cannon

on netiznot

[pseudo merlin]

Nah death plateau trolls is insane exp

[merry ibex]

I am genuinely ashamed of how long it took me to make this in the post WA world

[pseudo merlin]

was getting like 60k/hr

[drifting nova]

ice trolls are much better

[merry ibex]

Its just now I like my dots to show on my current target

[pseudo merlin]

what the fuck is that

it's atrocious

[drifting nova]

wdym you havent made it yet

get back to work

[merry ibex]

Its weird how hard stuff to do is without WAs

really miss those little guys

[drifting nova]

blizzard mandated friction

still wish they wouldve just binned all addons

[merry ibex]

I agree with their reasoning

[drifting nova]

its just giga ego

[merry ibex]

but the total loss of the ability to just tweak little things that bother you personally

is really sad to see go

now you have to scour addons to find solutions to every problem big and small

[drifting nova]

99% of the time things made for free from the want to make said thing will be better (and better maintained) than the at home version

its the maintaining part I cant wait to see break

[merry ibex]

Well they used to break half my stuff every patch anyways

[drifting nova]

dragonflying still has major bugs almost 4years later

companies just dont fix things as fast as modders do

[indigo crow]

anyone have any ui to share? struggling getting mine setup

[royal zenith]

they should get rid of customization completely

[indigo crow]

any tips appreciated

[drifting nova]

blizzard benefitted greatly from addons the past 25years from laziness and one day decided to wake up and break it

[royal zenith]

how did blizzard benefit from this

[drifting nova]

no..the addons

they benefitted from addons/mods

[royal zenith]

yes, how did they benefit from that

[drifting nova]

...

[royal zenith]

did it make them money kekkers?

[drifting nova]

ima go make breakfast while you think about that

[royal zenith]

nah explain it, cause it's definitely a take

cause it would imply they will lose 70% of their players if addons are gone

else what's the benefit

[lofty depot]

theres a few on wowhead

[pallid bay]

WA exists..

meekauras..

[lofty depot]

OiAuras

[indigo crow]

Ty what one do you recommend

[drifting nova]

you dont ask your mechanic to bake you a cake or a baker to fix your car

[royal zenith]

I think you are just saying random things that you think will stick

in true kekkers fashion

[drifting nova]

open the brain hole

and think

https://tenor.com/view/winnie-the-pooh-think-think-gif-15324290528311488474

[royal zenith]

I bet addons are the sole reason people started playing wow

[drifting nova]

ofcourse not

[royal zenith]

25 years of benefit

hoollly moly

[drifting nova]

but combined they did a whole lot of carrying

[royal zenith]

HAHA

[drifting nova]

carrying blizzard was unwilling to do

[lofty depot]

neither really matter its just the position and whats tracking which icons.
i use gamz with other addons

[drifting nova]

in the early years

[royal zenith]

hahahha

[drifting nova]

just look at the alpha recount

it wouldnt pass the 2006 eye test

let alone the several interations since

skada, details

[royal zenith]

there's plenty of games where customization is not possible

that's what you need to compare it to

[drifting nova]

now you can go down the route of ff14

and say mods? banned

but dont pretend these piss weak attempts at replacement

have had any effort put into them

[royal zenith]

nobody is saying that, you just mentioned they benefitted "greatly" from addons for 25 years

so I'm just trying to see if you can quantify it

[drifting nova]

they benefitted from not having to do anything

and theyve now fucked that up

so..congratulations I guess

[royal zenith]

yeah Im glad that we have so many good addons right now

peak effort

nephui was like

extreme levels of quality

zero lazyness

[drifting nova]

the fact people have already tried to replicate old was

to the old level

there was a time wow couldve had a low level of modding

but that was like 2009

that boat sailed (without blizzard)

I truly hope the console release is worth

[royal zenith]

I think modding needs to go

[drifting nova]

ok great

[royal zenith]

just causes more problems

[drifting nova]

but that couldve only happend a decade+ ago

[royal zenith]

even the field

[drifting nova]

you cant unteach a dog tricks

the playerbase have been mostly self taught

[royal zenith]

well it's literally their game so can do whatever they like

[drifting nova]

blizzard could never release a raid again

and sell xpacs with posi vibes

itd sell poorly

[royal zenith]

ever heard of calculated risks

[drifting nova]

dont you guys have phones?

blizzard hasnt played chess in a long while

trying to after draughts is just sad

[merry ibex]

I guess Im a little out of the loop then I thought that it wasn't a thing anymore

[royal zenith]

well it's not WA's like you were used to

it just exists

[drifting nova]

but you're right I still wish they had gutted every addon

but thatd just highlight the truly unusable base level game

[royal zenith]

well it's not really about me being right, just think people focus really hard on the customization part

[drifting nova]

games are only as good as the lens

[royal zenith]

which isn't essential for gameplay

it's qol and nice-to-have for the players

aka 'extra'

granted most of this shit is made for compensation of said gameplay

[pallid bay]

https://github.com/m33shoq/M33kAuras/releases

[royal zenith]

cause that's been terrible

[drifting nova]

imagine organising your room how

[royal zenith]

which is a valid argument

[drifting nova]

you like it

then storm blizzard comes in

[pallid bay]

can still do a bunch of things and you dont have to deal with coding your own frames

[merry ibex]

Blizzard killed customization in a war against the computational type WAs. I think the big disconnect is most players didnt see/use WA in the way that caused blizzard to kill it

[royal zenith]

Okay, now imagine you're renting blizzard's room and you are not abiding to rules of the tennant

[merry ibex]

So customization caught strays and that bugs alot of people

including me

[royal zenith]

and the other people in the place are getting mad you are abusing the rules

[pallid bay]

like WA now is more of a addon to create miniaddons

[drifting nova]

I used at most like 3 was (plus some boss was like silken court) just to track shit

which is a limited amount

is it my fault or blizzards you cant track X buff

[tawdry trellis]

how am I tracking Astral power without my power bar gone

[drifting nova]

with that garbonzo buff bar

[merry ibex]

I used to sensei resource bar to just create a text number because I prefer that to a full bar

but its a decent addon for that sort of thing

[drifting nova]

the fact I needed a bar tracker back in like mop because the default bar wasnt readable

its not a new thing that they dont and havent planned for this

[royal zenith]

the real goat move for blizzard is to pick out addons they think are epic and match their philosophy

[drifting nova]

its continual failings at HOW something looks and feels to the user

[royal zenith]

and promote em

[drifting nova]

hahaha

refer to my first point

[tawdry trellis]

So just a number tracker is the best thing for us right now?

[drifting nova]

something made free from a source of passion will always topple something paid for with no passion

[royal zenith]

okay but passion and no passion isn't equal to free or not free

[drifting nova]

this might been able to be remedied

[merry ibex]

I mean its whatever you prefer I like the number myself but the addon sensei resource bar is just a good addon for tracking your resource however you want

[drifting nova]

but that was a decade+ ago

[royal zenith]

you're just linking random stuff to one another

[drifting nova]

blizzard sat back and did fuck all for 10+ years

suddenly woke up and decided "no fun allowed"

[royal zenith]

oh now it's 10+?

what happened to 25

[drifting nova]

specifically to things like was

but 20-25 for addons in general (yes I have some that no longer work as far back as wrath)

[tawdry trellis]

and what do we use to track eclipse timer?

just stare at the top of your screen?

[drifting nova]

wow will never be ff14

[lofty depot]

u can add the buff in cdm

[royal zenith]

(it always has been)

[drifting nova]

slight meme in the fact blizzard continually .."borrowed" mechanics from other games

[merry ibex]

Tellmewhen is a pretty good addon for that sort of thing, you can create icons and buff bars to see that sort of stuff

[royal zenith]

all mmorpg's borrow from each other

who cares

the backbone for games like wow and ffxiv is lore

[drifting nova]

hah

cute

[royal zenith]

and community

[drifting nova]

and these very changes modify how you see the game

how you see the game trumps everything else

[royal zenith]

yeah the addons really made the cinematics a lot better

trueee

[drifting nova]

..you auto skipped them

next

[merry ibex]

thats a tellmewhen eclipse bar I made that you can put wherever you want on your screen if you dont like the way the default CDM displays it

its a pretty good customization addon

[ornate girder]

i like fighting on the internet for fun

[royal zenith]

same

but only because it's kekkers

[gaunt ruin]

the buffs that we get next reset are already active on midnight beta?

[lofty depot]

yes

[gaunt ruin]

Oh, so we are meh also with the buffs 🙁

[lofty depot]

i think there are just a few outliers

but i can only look at m+ damage so :/

[gaunt ruin]

it's unbalanced

[formal crest]

Meow

[formal crest]

Meow

[pallid bay]

hello leaf person

[merry ibex]

Any good balance druid streamers that has done/doing beta keys since the buffs?

[formal crest]

Hello bald person

[lofty depot]

define good

[pallid bay]

no definitions will be made

[lofty depot]

tettles it is

[royal zenith]

lolleaf

[formal crest]

Probably the only one

[formal crest]

Hello my son

[pallid bay]

hows cyoncord

[merry ibex]

hits buttons lol?

I dunno hahah any then I guess

[lofty depot]

tettles be hitting buttons

[normal pilot]

nobody streams balance you don't really have a qualifier

you takes tettles

[formal crest]

Relaxed.

[merry ibex]

oh I honestly didnt even think about tettles

does he play balance anymore?

I know he makes guides but I thought he played other stuff mostly

[formal crest]

He has been balance Druid the last few streams on beta

[lofty depot]

psure he always does balance on beta

[formal crest]

Though. Not much to see but low numbers cause the spec sucks

[pseudo merlin]

@drifting nova bet my boat is faster than your boat

[formal crest]

Level 15 sailing?

[pallid idol]

no its me

not tettles

[lofty depot]

u dont stream

[charred thorn]

anyone know how to get astral power show up in a bar? that i can move to my center of screen
cant seem to find it

[lofty depot]

download an addon

[pseudo merlin]

yeah download twintops

[charred thorn]

whats the best addon for it?

[lofty depot]

or bcdm

theres not a "best"

[pseudo merlin]

oiui is best

but its paywalled

[charred thorn]

twintops was good

nice

ty

[lofty depot]

have fun with the 800 customizations 🙂

[pseudo merlin]

bro mad that the addon is good and customisable

smh