balance

[royal zenith]

shut up..

kinda a fun tier though

[lofty depot]

U could post a log and I can make some general assumptions if u want

U don't compare ur sim DPS to raid DPS anyway

[errant flint]

How would I know what’s appropriate dps for the fight and ilvl?

[pseudo merlin]

it was

[lofty depot]

By doing the fight and comparing to other players

[royal zenith]

you filter by your ilvl, spec, same period, same nerfs/buffs, etc.

[errant flint]

So no way to practice on a dummy and get a somewhat close number?

Like it would be inaccurate?

[pseudo merlin]

yes

[lofty depot]

Well u have different buffs in raid

[errant flint]

I dont love going into a new raid blind on what im capable of

[pseudo merlin]

you can sim dummy dps whenever sims are updated tho

[royal zenith]

it's not inaccurate, it's just not a realistic scenario

[pseudo merlin]

but not now

[pseudo merlin]

Read a guide and spam some keys?

[lofty depot]

I mean ... A target dummy isn't a raid boss

[lusty igloo]

Tons of info on WCL for prepatch, look for someone around your ilvl

[pseudo merlin]

A dummy isn't the only thing, in fact is probably the worst thing to use to practise

[errant flint]

I read the guide and doesnt do a great job of mentioning when to press eclipse

[royal zenith]

it's a test dummy

[pseudo merlin]

it does

[royal zenith]

not a dps dummy

[pseudo merlin]

but you can always ask for clarity here

[errant flint]

Tldr it for me: do I press it on cd outside of CA?

15s buff and 32s recharge

[lofty depot]

Theres some nuance to pressing it

[royal zenith]

if you want really dumb it down, make sure to align as many cd's as possible - and hard hitting abilities

[maiden pasture]

Highkirk the auto cancelling starlord feels so weird

[royal zenith]

and get as many uses as possible within a fight

[errant flint]

Is there a sufficient amount of AP to have before hitting it? (I do know to press wrath before for solar etc)

[lofty depot]

U want to have as much asp as possible, want to not overcap charges, and want to line it up with other buffs as much as possible

Well u prefer to have enough asp to send 3 surges

[errant flint]

Ah ok that I can calculate

[royal zenith]

[errant flint]

So likely line it up with trees most often

[lofty depot]

U generally trees on CD, and want to line trees up with eclipse or ca

[eager raft]

Hello

[lofty depot]

Then sequencing u want to always CA with trees... And u want to always convoke with ca

[royal zenith]

nope respectable

[eager raft]

How come??

[royal zenith]

because I can

or cannot..

[eager raft]

Just because you can doesn’t mean you should

[maiden pasture]

Deux are you excited for midnight

[royal zenith]

Im least excited for a new expansion as Ive ever been

[errant flint]

Ty ty I figured that would be the play still. Hard to find out since M fights are so short now when I look at others pre-patch logs

[maiden pasture]

So real

[lofty depot]

U can go hit a dummy and log it

[royal zenith]

but I could, should is not relevant

and would

[lofty depot]

And I can show u general ideas of what ur doing wrong.

[errant flint]

Ok I’ll report back then

[royal zenith]

General idea of what you're doing wrong: "you're not casting dps abilities"

[errant flint]

Give it a good 5min like a sim

[royal zenith]

[drifting nova]

thats bc the feature is..housing

[lofty depot]

Probably casting trees or CA for fun

Casting surges outside of eclipse

Silly things

[royal zenith]

I know the reason, irrelevant

please be relevant kekkers

[drifting nova]

be less stoopid then

[errant flint]

Im also 165 idk if thats relevant

[royal zenith]

why?

[drifting nova]

dragging the average down

[royal zenith]

that will just mean the gap between us gets bigger

you will go lower..

[lofty depot]

Ilvl has nothing to do with what ur casting

Whoops wrong reply

[errant flint]

Close enough

[royal zenith]

what the hell!!

Ill stop intervening with shitposting

as beef has actual questions

[lofty depot]

I'm not gonna look at ur damage to show u what ur doing wrong

[eager raft]

No you can keep talking deux

[royal zenith]

no I have respect for beef

[eager raft]

It’s artic that can stop

[royal zenith]

they are still new

[meager storm]

deux misses modding us

[eager raft]

do you have respect for me

[royal zenith]

hell no

[errant flint]

That wouldnt make sense anyways. Logs make sense as long as logs are working lol

[royal zenith]

LMAO

woops... timing...

[eager raft]

what the hell

[lofty depot]

Logs work

[meager storm]

thats insane

[errant flint]

Kinda started boomy se3 and left my guild bc they werent gonna get CE again anyways after LOU CE.

Tldr: they didnt get CE

[lofty depot]

U could've helped them, smh

[pseudo merlin]

vindication

[royal zenith]

it's just natural progression of raiding, within this game

[lofty depot]

Why is blud still typing, shouldn't he be hitting the dummy?

[errant flint]

Nah they are gatekeepers, heavy favortism and lack holding players accountable for repeated mistakes. The mentality to get to CE is inconsistent among players.

[royal zenith]

give em space 😠

[pseudo merlin]

@dense steeple made a full amir group, didnt invite my token class, got 0 tokens

any more bad advice?

😠

[errant flint]

Yo im in bed LOL

[royal zenith]

inconsistency with mentality is basically every guild

[lofty depot]

So get out of bed

[errant flint]

But ima do it I swear im off today

[royal zenith]

unfortunately

[errant flint]

Its coffee time

[lofty depot]

Hurry up

[eager raft]

Deux are you quitting or are you just dooming without purpose

[lofty depot]

Then again nvm, ur not gonna do it by the time I get home for lunch so w.e.

[royal zenith]

balancing between both

[eager raft]

I realized a few weeks ago that I was just dooming to doom, was never gonna actually quit over it

[royal zenith]

ah, well

[lofty depot]

It's curious people swap off of boomkin then a few tiers later want to quit

[royal zenith]

in that sense Im closer to actually quitting

[eager raft]

So now I’m just pushing through and starting to enjoy it

The hype is definitely not there for me either tbh

[maiden pasture]

I think everyone's closer to quitting than ever with how dire midnight could turn out to be

[eager raft]

No where near the hype I’ve felt for previous expansions

[royal zenith]

I think you're a bit mental if you play 1 spec for the entirety of your raiding career

[pseudo merlin]

you feel hype?

[royal zenith]

ngl

[lucid olive]

real

[pseudo merlin]

esp if its bamkin

[royal zenith]

but I also respect people that can do it

[maiden pasture]

If S1 is bad I'm out for sure, not gonna wait a full expac for them to get this new version of wow right

[pseudo merlin]

Dude there's people who click trees for 50000 hours in runescape

[eager raft]

Ye agreed

[lofty depot]

Well I've played multiple specs lol

[maiden pasture]

Gonna become a deadlock main

[eager raft]

I’m keeping an open mind going into it

But if it sucks I’m not gonna have infinite patience

[maiden pasture]

Ye I'm not hyped but I'm not assuming it's gonna be shit

[royal zenith]

Also it's not like I want to quit

but the game has to be fun

else what's the point

just because?

[pseudo merlin]

being better than others?

[lofty depot]

To hang out with the boys

[royal zenith]

you can do that in other games

if you actually need wow for that

[eager raft]

Raiding will always be fun for me for the social end of it

[royal zenith]

they are co-raiders

not "the boys"

[lofty depot]

Well some of the co-raiders then play other games

[eager raft]

Porque no los dos

[royal zenith]

eu nao falo portugues

(I know that's spanish)

[meager storm]

terraria with recruitie holy cinema

[eager raft]

some of my co raiders are just that, but after spending that much time with ppl you’re bound to become friends with some

[royal zenith]

I think I'm fine with also just yapping in discord

[pseudo merlin]

the more time i spend with my co raiders the more I hate them

[royal zenith]

I dunno, bar is very low

[eager raft]

Yeah that’s what my gm is gona do

New job so he can’t commit to raiding

[drifting nova]

why tf does every guild have an application process for normal

[pseudo merlin]

normal?

[eager raft]

But he’ll hang out when he’s able

[royal zenith]

the need of having to spend time with people in games, in wow as like the norm

it's a bit weird imo

just do what you enjoy

[lofty depot]

yea whens the dreamgrove board game night

[maiden pasture]

Bar has to be low to end up being a dreamgrove regular, speaking from experience ofc

[pseudo merlin]

I have my lasershield crossbow druid ready for the first campaign

lets do it

[lofty depot]

[royal zenith]

this is true

but at least in the grove there's sometimes people you can help improve

respectable obv is a lost cause

but such is life

[eager raft]

It’s just like any other social event imo. An excuse to be among friends and have some fun

[royal zenith]

EXCUSE

negative connotation

[eager raft]

Not at all

[royal zenith]

you're not speaking your real feelings respectable

stop hiding

[maiden pasture]

Idk about that

[eager raft]

But we’re all adults with our own lives so naturally we need a reason to get together

[pseudo merlin]

Hating kekkers?

[maiden pasture]

It's a lot more like turning up to work. There will be people you get along with and people you don't and some people you just put up with

[drifting nova]

dnd when

[royal zenith]

okay "you need a reason" and "naturally"

is not a match

[dense steeple]

Just get the item and catalyze it

[maiden pasture]

Nah that checks out

[drifting nova]

got a new potato yet

[royal zenith]

Im dissecting your word-choice respectable

[pseudo merlin]

what item

[eager raft]

Yeah I think this is the reality of the experience for a lot of people

[royal zenith]

it's questionable

[pseudo merlin]

I can catalyze off-tier tokens?

[eager raft]

But just not the way I view it

[dense steeple]

Time for new guild

[drifting nova]

do not advise

[lucid olive]

you can catalyze any old item unlimited at the old catalyst

[eager raft]

I really like the ppl in my guild and the act of raiding, so it very rarely feels like a job or like something I have to do that I don’t want to

[dense steeple]

Need shoulders? Loot shoulders and catalyze it

[royal zenith]

so tell me @eager raft

if you would have a partner

[dense steeple]

Boots? Catalyze, belt? Catalyze

[pseudo merlin]

yeah but nothing dropped

[royal zenith]

would you need an excuse to take them on a date

[pseudo merlin]

no tier, no cloth

[royal zenith]

or do you want to take them on a date

[pseudo merlin]

just bis trinkets

jthat didnt exist when amir was current

every boss triple trinket

[dense steeple]

You got friendship badge?

[pseudo merlin]

pips?

no

i lost

[dense steeple]

I heard its giga bis rn

Sadge

[eager raft]

I think ur fundamentally misunderstanding me

[royal zenith]

no I'm just pushing you into a corner

[eager raft]

The date is the excuse/reason to spend time with the partner

[royal zenith]

he's changing to reason..

got em

[eager raft]

https://tenor.com/view/ragebait-rage-bait-lol-lmao-gif-3554026694133497645

[royal zenith]

forced you to change your wording..

[eager raft]

That’s a lie you absolutely CAN ragebait me and you have

But not today

[royal zenith]

[drifting nova]

deux

whats Lummelland

[royal zenith]

no idea

just know that you're a lummel

[pseudo merlin]

lummel

[drifting nova]

LUMMELLAND

[pseudo merlin]

lullo

[jaunty blaze]

lümmel is a nice word for the thing between your legs

[royal zenith]

I mean it's german, no idea why I would know what it is

[drifting nova]

swamp german?

[pseudo merlin]

lummel is dutch too

wdym

[royal zenith]

Lümmel is not

[pseudo merlin]

oh yeah

[drifting nova]

I know what americans say

[pseudo merlin]

we dont put weird dots on things

[royal zenith]

and he's talking about Lümmel

[drifting nova]

even if they arent speaking english

[royal zenith]

I wanted to find a specific american sentence

to make fun of you kekkers

but

all it gave me was this: "I'm going to take a raincheck on that,"

(unironically)

[dense steeple]

I dont even dot my fuckin i's

[pseudo merlin]

even when typing?

[dense steeple]

Thats not me dotting them so no

[pseudo merlin]

hardcore

[lucid olive]

i suck at freehand writing

[pseudo merlin]

i only do ´blokletters

@royal zenith thoughts?

[lucid olive]

if i write by hand i perma caps lock

yelling on the page

[pseudo merlin]

same

[drifting nova]

what now

[royal zenith]

blokletters very good

[pseudo merlin]

yap

[royal zenith]

don't think I can even write the freehand way anymore

like we were taught in school

[pseudo merlin]

As a kid I already knew I'd NEVER EVER be using freehand

stopped bothering even though teachers insisted

It's just stupid

90% of people can't write in a clear enough manner that other people can read it

[royal zenith]

(calligraphy owns btw, so no shade to those that can 'write' properly)

[pseudo merlin]

Oh for sure

[royal zenith]

(grafitti owns too)

[lucid olive]

real

i got permission to use laptop from like 8th grade so never really wrote on paper after that

[pseudo merlin]

thats crazy

that was taboo in my day

but like we had MS dos

[lucid olive]

i would sit in class playing super mario 64 on emulator though

so idk if it worked out or not

[jaunty blaze]

did you have fun

[royal zenith]

one hour of the Sims per week

at max..

Simcity* my bad

[lucid olive]

yeah until the kids sitting behind me laughed when i messed up on bowser..

[jaunty blaze]

😔

[lucid olive]

they should try to kill bowser using a keyboard and a 12" screen..

[pseudo merlin]

bowser used to be so hard

in n64

[lucid olive]

real

until you start watching speedruns

[fast rose]

I tried to learn calligraphy but then I found out it's designed exclusively for right handed people and if you're trying to learn as a left handed person it's 10x more difficult

[eager raft]

You were one of those kids that put your sims in a pool then deleted the ladder

[pseudo merlin]

wait for real?

[fast rose]

Yeah lol

[pseudo merlin]

cuz there are no left handed techniques or something?

invent your own

[royal zenith]

oh that

[fast rose]

There are techniques but it's a pain in the ass

[royal zenith]

is new lore

I didn't know

makes sense sorta

[pseudo merlin]

I see

[fast rose]

You have to like rotate your paper and use special ink so it doesn't smear

[jaunty blaze]

right hand racism ... they dont know how much they hurt us lefties 😭

[royal zenith]

back in the ol' days you were forced to write with your right hand

[pseudo merlin]

wait why special ink

[royal zenith]

slap on the wrist

[fast rose]

Because you drag your hand across the paper as a leftie and it smears the ink

So you need super quick drying ink

[pseudo merlin]

oh

right

[royal zenith]

[pseudo merlin]

just be japanese?

or arab

[royal zenith]

write in hieroglyphs

[fast rose]

They knew what's up

[pseudo merlin]

No like

[fast rose]

Leftie superiority

[pseudo merlin]

They write from right to left right

or top to bottom

so wouldnt it be the other way around?

[royal zenith]

think it's mostly about reading

not writing

for the japanese

not sure tho

[pseudo merlin]

japanese write top to bottom for sure

atleast classically

[royal zenith]

Japanese is written both vertically and horizontally. Traditionally, it is written in vertical columns, read from top-to-bottom and right-to-left

now we know

[fast rose]

And knowing is half the battle

[royal zenith]

small steps..

[fast rose]

[pseudo merlin]

im reading somewhere that japanese stopped do ing right to left

and are left to right now

[royal zenith]

yeah it's not a hard rule

and they probably want to adapt to western society or just in general, the world

[pseudo merlin]

So wouldnt that mandate changing reading direction too?

[jaunty blaze]

that must be kinda weird tho if you are used to read from the right

[royal zenith]

cause all of these freaks reading anime!!

manga*

[pseudo merlin]

right

[royal zenith]

my bad..

[pseudo merlin]

its ok

[royal zenith]

no

we have to be perfect in life

you dont understand

[pseudo merlin]

[royal zenith]

(had a rough day at work..)

[pseudo merlin]

sorry to hear that

did you lose the earphone raffle?

[royal zenith]

nah had to compensate other inadequate beings!!!

[royal zenith]

I still have the headphones

[pseudo merlin]

big

[dense steeple]

Today our coworkers named shit and fuck were moving a pallet of monitors, and it was too tall so they were scrounging up tools to try and remove the doors they couldn't fit through

[lofty depot]

Hmm, we're getting buffed next week

[dense steeple]

So i compensated their inadequacies by cutting open the pallet and began removing the top layer of monitors

[royal zenith]

smh

[errant flint]

is the talent Nature's Balance bugged or is this my elvui issue?

This is about the max I get OOC

[lofty depot]

What about in character

[errant flint]

lol out of combat

[lofty depot]

The max u get is 50

Not 50%

It's also possible ur not OOC

Boomkin is kinda funny with combat

[errant flint]

thats how it reads to me too

Now sitting not near any dummies ooc and still 35 AP

[minor anchor]

sounds like its bugged than

try relogging

[lofty depot]

Sitting "not near dummies" doesn't mean ur out of combat

[errant flint]

im far away in dornorgal above the crafters area

is that not far enough

[lofty depot]

That doesn't matter

[minor anchor]

u could be outland

[lofty depot]

Relog

[errant flint]

NANI?

ok

[lofty depot]

Welcome to boomkin

[errant flint]

internal screaming

After a relog still 35

I love this game

[normal pilot]

go build up ap then get back out of combat

it's an incredible minor bug as far as this game's been concerned

[errant flint]

yeup stil 35 max

left dornogal

[normal pilot]

unlucky maybe ion just hates you

[errant flint]

he hates feral more

0 changes

[normal pilot]

that just means feral is perfect

[errant flint]

exactly

[pseudo merlin]

feral is perfect

ask people on beta

And the dev who had chomp as his little pet project is turbo excited about it

[exotic perch]

ngl losing weakauras for feral also made me want to play it less

paired with the garbage complexity

[normal pilot]

what do you even need WA for now iwth feral

[pseudo merlin]

I actually wanted to swap feral main halfway through S3

nothing's left of my boy

[pseudo merlin]

the Chess weakaura so you have something to do

[exotic perch]

true its so simple you dont need it

[pseudo merlin]

or tic-tac-toe weakaura

[normal pilot]

do the peggle/bejeweled addons still work

[pseudo merlin]

I hope so

Those were always a blast

[dense steeple]

They should

Theyre not in combat effected roght

[lucid olive]

just get a lua injected youtube shorts addon

might get you banned but at least you can brainrot

[pseudo merlin]

lmao

[errant flint]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/djqPFQwKVrB841Dt?fight=last
alrighty how restarted am i?

[pseudo merlin]

well ur playing balance so

[errant flint]

actual debuff

its this or hunter and I cant bring myself to play BM again

now im the dumbass pet

[lofty depot]

Remember when I said u should be using CA with trees

Also ur first 4 spells in CA are wrath, never not poggers

[errant flint]

My trees mustve not gone off :/

But still a good reminder

[errant flint]

I have it set for @cursor for trees

[lofty depot]

Convoke so fa away

Remember when I said u should convoke with ca, well that also means it's in the tree window

[errant flint]

OH

inside the tree cd

10s

[lofty depot]

Do u know trees increases ur damage

[errant flint]

yesh

do i still use it at the start of an eclipse?

like before prepatch

[lofty depot]

Yes

Because u are likely dumping surges at the start of eclipse

[errant flint]

for small gains i guess does it matter to press trees right before or after eclipse/CA? Like immediate

The order I guess

[lofty depot]

Is a sim question

[errant flint]

ah ok

[lofty depot]

Dont know if it's worth treesing for bolts or not

It probably is correct to trees eclipse

[errant flint]

ok

[lofty depot]

But will be answered in guide

[errant flint]

wowhead has it before CA so its probably safe to go with that

[sick meteor]

I have not followed the beta and our DPS for midnight. Does someone know if we are doing tank damage like in prepatch or with the apex and last talent tree point we are decent ?

[errant flint]

For later if trees has about 20s until up and eclipse only will be up in now do I save eclipe for trees?

When im out of CA charges

[gentle scroll]

Beta is not much better. Still need some tuning

[lofty depot]

That silly writer is guessing too

(but it's what we did before)

[lofty depot]

If we're doing tank damage on heroic week we'll get buffed

But no, we're not doing tank damage on beta

(we are in m+ tho)

[lofty depot]

If an eclipse charge wouldn't be up for the trees and ur not CAing. Probably

There are also likely times in raid where u might want to save CDs for

So this is now a planning thing

[errant flint]

ok I can practice more with all this advice ty ty

I can do my best to make the best decision depending on the content faster

[lofty depot]

U should start playing with weaver

And get used to that, just in case 🙂

[exotic perch]

touch of the cosmos and weaver just play both

procs fun

[drifting nova]

when they do damage

[errant flint]

hmmm ok I can switch to that

Wonder if we're going to go with proc heavier build with the new tier set

[lofty depot]

Well, weaver interacts with hail of stars now... And our shooting stars doing a lot of damage

So keeping solstice buff up is good

[errant flint]

thank you for the explanation on the talent interaction

[loud narwhal]

Can we all admit that boomkin is actually behind in term of dmg ?

[quiet drift]

Noone is arguing against that

[nimble tangle]

Admit? It’s a known fact for years

[loud narwhal]

nah but like rn its actually terrible

[lofty depot]

I mean, how do u know where it is in damage?

[loud narwhal]

i mean in pre patch so far

[lofty depot]

Prepatch isn't an indicator of what ur damage will look like in midnight

[loud narwhal]

ofc but doin some 18+ and its not even close in overall

[quiet drift]

There are classes that are just as fucked as we

[lofty depot]

Well I just said ur in prepatch

[loud narwhal]

any of you got an advice ? 😂

[lofty depot]

U doing an 18 doesn't change that

[quiet drift]

and theyre rolling buffs onto the Beta branch

[nimble tangle]

Just ignore prepatch

You are not supposed to look at tier level in prepatch

[lofty depot]

Ur not supposed to look at tier list ever

[loud narwhal]

yeah ofc ! but its more like a feeling when playing

[quiet drift]

Spec feels fine

More fun than what it was last patch

[lofty depot]

The feeling. While playing should be about gameplay and not damage

Damage is a tuning problem

If the spec feels like shit because it plays terrible that's completely different

[loud narwhal]

I 100% agree with you and i love the fact that we can now control eclipse

[lofty depot]

I mean, u controlled it before lol

[loud narwhal]

The fact that we had to single target twice to go into AEO was weird

eventhough it has been like this for years

[lofty depot]

Yea the changes they made to eclipse are good

[pseudo merlin]

@dense steeple @lucid olive so I did not get all transmog versions of my tier set when obtaining the mythic part

yall lied to me again

[cloud lion]

@lofty depot 2 days ago u told me maybe i dont know how to play and i took it personaly

[nimble tangle]

I think you need to collect full mythic tier set

[lofty depot]

Post log

[nimble tangle]

Every single part of the tier set

[quiet drift]

They arent retroactively adding that no?

Its only for Midnight and forward

[cloud lion]

no u gona find my mistakes

[lofty depot]

POST THE LOG

[nimble tangle]

I checked previous tier set in old expansions, if u have every piece

U get full mogs

[hearty violet]

Pretty much brand new to learning boomy, is there a good recommended video to watch? I'm reading a couple guides, but I like to see someone else doing it as well?

[lofty depot]

The guides aren't even 100% correct

So a video guide is next to useless aswell

[hearty violet]

Sadge

[pseudo merlin]

That is what I thought

[lofty depot]

Essentially the guides are correct. There's some nuance with pressing ur cds

Which is trees on CD,
CA with trees,
Convoke with CA

[hearty violet]

I guess the biggest difference in guides, is when to force eclipse

[lofty depot]

When u have a lot of asp

When u won't overcap asp or charges

[hearty violet]

So build, cds, dump and press?(basically)

[quiet drift]

oh they did

W change

[lofty depot]

Essentially yes

[hearty violet]

Ty 🙂

[lofty depot]

Pool asp correctly

Dump during cds

Align CDs with each other

[drifting nova]

just ignore release at this rate too

[nimble tangle]

Ignore boomie

Yes

Boomie is dead

[drifting nova]

warrior has a ranged interrupt now..so thats cool I guess

[dense steeple]

Its retro af I have so much mog

[dense steeple]

We didnt lie because you didnt get the right drops

[pseudo merlin]

sussy

im about to finish this set

if it doesnt finish im gonne have some words

[royal zenith]

it never surprises me that you play warrior

it just... fits

[round field]

it does make a lot of sense..

[quiet drift]

Did they bug out Denizen

Have had multiple pulls where it just doesnt proc

https://tenor.com/view/cat-monkey-banana-eating-sad-gif-6230069

[dense steeple]

you ready for an amir group

[pseudo merlin]

ye

wait

aren't you US

[dense steeple]

i thought you were oce

[pseudo merlin]

ew

[pallid bay]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-sniff-cat-smell-cat-cat-nose-smell-gif-4208811055669905508

[drifting nova]

alternate innit

[lofty depot]

It did

I member now cuz I did some troll shit on soul hunters

[craggy sonnet]

yea

[craggy sonnet]

the hero talent doesnt

[normal pilot]

the set cast normal starsurge, the talent doesn't

[craggy sonnet]

unlucky

i was very sad when i found out

[normal pilot]

unless you're not balance

then it casts your talented starsurge

maybe if you bugpost it they'll fix it

[lucid olive]

it gives 1 second of Hail of Stars and counts for Harmony of the Heavens

i think those are the only interactions though

doesn't proc goldrinn and doesn't stack starlord

[hearty violet]

Ok stupid beginner question, but when do you use Heart of the wild?

[lucid olive]

when the vibe is right

[hearty violet]

Always be vibin xD

[lucid olive]

you can press bear form then press heart of the wild whenever you know when big dam will come in

its like a 2nd defensive after barkskin

and if it's really dire you can press frenzied regen as well and sit in bear form for a while

[hearty violet]

Okie, ty!

[lofty depot]

Time to make a bug post so my dev can read it then ignore it

[normal pilot]

they purposefully made the talent surge unable to proc anything

so unless it's scripted it won't work

[sudden pawn]

Is that so…

[lucid olive]

i think maybe the free starsurge from EC counting towards Harmony is an oversight

but who knows

since it's a new starsurge they have to flag specifically what effects are on it so probably done on purpose by whoever made it

[lofty depot]

Smh the prio dam :/

All these different IDs and shit.... Unforch we didn't proc correctly

[normal pilot]

well in this case it isn't really id, the new starsurge has proc suppression

[pallid bay]

are we speculating intentions again

[normal pilot]

for w/e reason the dev decided to add that in

[pallid bay]

bet they'd have no idea why or that it is the case if you were to ask them

[lofty depot]

I'd be more inclined on that yea

[drifting nova]

gpt does as gpt want

[lofty depot]

Easier to assume lack of knowledge

[normal pilot]

eh in this case it doesn't exist in default spells

so they decided ot add it

whether they fat fingered or actually realize waht it does maybe who knows

[craggy sonnet]

hah, thats been adapted as an addon btw

[pseudo merlin]

yeah its huge

btw do you know how to make nameplates stack?

The box that says "stacking nameplates" doesn't work

🙂

(platyunatyer)

[craggy sonnet]

ughh .. I'd guess platynator overwrites that setting somewhere

or is that inside platynator?

[pseudo merlin]

yea the exact same setting is enabled in platy

[craggy sonnet]

just logged out

[pseudo merlin]

its enabled in both

[craggy sonnet]

unfortunate

yea no clue rn .. dont wanna log back in

[pseudo merlin]

yeah no worries

[craggy sonnet]

ask em and get them to change it please 🙂

[normal pilot]

it's not unreasonable it doesn't proc things given how they design things. if anything more things should not proc stuff

[lofty depot]

links the funny monk tooltip with 500 things on it

[pseudo merlin]

wanna know something else funny

latest patch made it so that shadow word death is a dps loss and shadowform is dps neutral/loss

[drifting nova]

found out earlier pyro is a dps loss for fire

[pseudo merlin]

Blizzard truely has the class design team of all time

[drifting nova]

during combust

[lofty depot]

pyro is a loss in execute

[pseudo merlin]

oh ye and the pyro thing

10/10 design

[lofty depot]

frost doestn cast icelance

[drifting nova]

I quickly swapped to frost, frost is ..a 1button rotation

[normal pilot]

eh stuff like this isn't new

[pseudo merlin]

frost is a 1 button rotation?

[lofty depot]

frost was already kinda like that

[drifting nova]

I thought I was going crazy

[normal pilot]

it's been like this for 15 years

[drifting nova]

but I am levelling so eh

[pseudo merlin]

the frost rotation is quite good now?

[drifting nova]

frostbolt

frostbolt

frostbolt

[pseudo merlin]

?

[drifting nova]

frostbolt

[pseudo merlin]

you have flurry 2 charges

[lofty depot]

well u would flurry at 3

[pseudo merlin]

you have beam 2 charges

you have fb and lance

[drifting nova]

idk maybe it gets better

[pseudo merlin]

and orb

[drifting nova]

but am only like level50 so

[pseudo merlin]

frost is one of the most involved specs in the game rn

[drifting nova]

rocking a season 11 pvp necklace all the way from cata

thats how old this mage is

[pseudo merlin]

definitely one of my favorite iterations of frostmage

[lofty depot]

were gonna get nerfed

smh

[pseudo merlin]

gg

[drifting nova]

is flurry only on proc or

[pseudo merlin]

was a nice run

flurry is 2 charge and proc

[drifting nova]

and lance...is

was only using it on proc idk

[pseudo merlin]

lance consumes debuffs

on proc it doesnt

[lofty depot]

well u icelance with frozen thing

[pseudo merlin]

lance is a spender now

[lofty depot]

and u only icelance at 4 (before)

[drifting nova]

4 what

[lofty depot]

and after gs with debuff thingy

[pseudo merlin]

your spells build up freezy on target, 20 stacks

[drifting nova]

[pseudo merlin]

lance consumes 4 or 6

[lofty depot]

4 frozen thingy

[drifting nova]

yeah 20

[pseudo merlin]

its like

imagine it's 20 combo points

but lance takes 4-6

[drifting nova]

hmm

[lofty depot]

yea sorry before..

[drifting nova]

swear it takes 3

maybe it goes up later

[pseudo merlin]

ok thanks kekkers

im sure some things influence it

im not a frostmagematitian

[drifting nova]

I'M LEVEL 49

[celest narwhal]

7^2

[craggy sonnet]

for sure. but it would have been a neat tool to enable decent uptime of stellar amp on maybe 2-3 targets if combined with weaver

[lucid olive]

nah let stellar amp be a st thing

then you take mushrooms instead in m+

big

[spice roost]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/more-class-changes-and-ui-improvements-are-coming-with-patch-12-0-1-on-february-380264 does this mean boomie buffs will be on live servers before midnight

[sudden pawn]

in theory yeah, the 2 sets of buffs should be in next week

[spice roost]

nice

[pseudo merlin]

@lucid olive @dense steeple sry i doubted you

[lucid olive]

wheres the npc

[pseudo merlin]

I dont think there is one, havent checked

i was just doing mythico

[lucid olive]

ah bet

is fyrakk soloable yet

i did it with 2 other guildies sometime during undermine farm and we struggled as 3

[pseudo merlin]

I solod heroic by the skin of my teeth before the turboboost

idk if mythic is soloable yet

[lucid olive]

problem is the healing adds

[pseudo merlin]

yeah

[lucid olive]

so youre on a timer in p2

[pseudo merlin]

exactly

[lucid olive]

we ended up getting our raidlead coming in on his shaman to heal

[pseudo merlin]

can probably 3-4 man with a good healer

[lucid olive]

then i specced full starfall nuke for the p2 adds

[lofty depot]

mythic no

did it with 4 people

[lucid olive]

Patch 12.0.1 releases this coming reset which brings tuning changes to the live servers. Added up, and excluding the resto spells and apex talents that also got buffed, the total list is:

Buffs:
All damage increased by 6%
Wrath damage increased by 20%
Starfire damage increased by 20%
Starfire now deals 70% of primary target damage to nearby enemies (was 50%)
Starfall damage increased by 10%
Starsurge damage increased by 5%
Mushroom damage increased by 10%
Goldrinn damage increased by 30%
Denizen damage increased by 25%
Spirit of the Thicket increases Starfall damage by 12% (was 8%)

Nerfs:
Stellar Amplification periodic effect damage reduced to 16% (was 20%)
Meteorites damage reduced by 10%

[dense steeple]

apology accepted

[dense steeple]

no

[lucid olive]

see when you say that i just see a challenge

[dense steeple]

your repair bills 🙂

[lucid olive]

i roll indestructible on all my gear

im the tertiary master

and @pseudo merlin has laser shields

[dense steeple]

i beleive you

[pseudo merlin]

My 2h crossbow+laser shield wielding darkness druid is ready

so ready

I can block all elemental attacks with my lasershield

And I can use my darkness to obscure your vision and make you have a 100% miss chance on all physical attacks

unlucky

[lucid olive]

no counterplay

[pseudo merlin]

none

skill difference

I do have a negative 19 modifier on all my dice rolls

So if you're fighting me you just have to sit there for 100 hours till I roll subsequent 20s

[vital hound]

god that latest pin is formatted so well

great work @lucid olive ur so talented

[loud kettle]

thinking about unpinning it for fun

[vital hound]

[lucid olive]

i can do irreperable damage to feral channel..

[pseudo merlin]

that wouldnt change anything probably

[loud kettle]

might fix it

[lucid olive]

no and everyone would forget in 2 minutes

its the age of the internet

[vital hound]

all 4 feral users would be pissed

[pseudo merlin]

there's that many?

[loud kettle]

3 are moonkin refugees but they count

[lofty depot]

its gonna be funny when people log on and notice they lost damage

[normal pilot]

feral is dead you can't do any more damage to it

[craggy sonnet]

i mean, you still get stellar amp value on your prio mob anyways via weaver. so i could see it being played regardless. would have just been nice for council fights or something

[lofty depot]

they dont know how to math so they assume theyre worse

[nova ocean]

Watched izens video on the tuning changes to see if he didn't understand wat they meant and was not disappointed lol

[pseudo merlin]

What's an Izen

[lucid olive]

he's like if petko was a grifter

[nova ocean]

And had brain damage and a even more annoying accent

[lucid olive]

now thats harsh

just straight rude

[nova ocean]

Is it rude if it's true?

[loud kettle]

ya

[nova ocean]

Shit

[pseudo merlin]

the fuck is this

[lofty depot]

i have not once thought "let me go watch an izen video to see what he thinks"

[nova ocean]

U played with them before

[pseudo merlin]

????

Randoms in a transmog group that I've never seen in my life

aand it's all of them

[nova ocean]

Ya I don't understand either most people have that for me to

[pseudo merlin]

[nova ocean]

Dunno if like being near then in town counts

[pseudo merlin]

as soon as someone enters your group you've played with them before so they get the mark

[lofty depot]

he said it was positive change

[pseudo merlin]

[lofty depot]

tragic really

[nova ocean]

You don't like watching car crashes either

[pseudo merlin]

It'

[nova ocean]

Also I'm real bored

[lofty depot]

i dont watch nascar no

[pseudo merlin]

It's like people seeing the frost mage aura buff but ignoring the 12 lines of nerfs after it

going "OMG THEY GOT BUFF"

[nova ocean]

Yes

[nova ocean]

It's like a std

[median topaz]

thoughts on how boomie is doing currently?

[lofty depot]

bad

gameplay fine, tuning shit

the classic

[nova ocean]

Unplayable at launch then okay a few weeks after race ends

Going for a septuple pete

[nimble tangle]

Let’s keep sandbagging

[lofty depot]

u dont know us very well :/

[nimble tangle]

No sandbag no fat chicken

[potent cargo]

rly just needs starweaver to be strongest

and it'll be a good spec

and the removal of that talent that entices you to leave eclipse with <40 asp

[nimble tangle]

Reverse back that 10% nerf

[potent cargo]

bc that is cring

[nova ocean]

Boomie reverse sandbag every tier

We find out something op and abuse it

Then get gutted

[nimble tangle]

and give me moonfire infect or same sunfire dotting

[potent cargo]

when was the last time that happened

[normal pilot]

venthyr was prolly the last time balance overperformed

[potent cargo]

yer

was gonna say, once in how long lmao

[lofty depot]

something that went live sure

cuz the hp pooling on the tierset was abused

but yea.... boomkins getting boomkin nerfed

[fair mist]

am i bad a balance or is our prepatch raid dmg doo doo?

[bleak rivet]

We do more than Resto Druid. If that answers your question

[nova ocean]

We had the bear form talent thing too from df beta or whatever

[craggy sonnet]

dont yo utalk about my boy izen like that. dude is bringing the history facts

[nova ocean]

Granted that was very un fun

[nova ocean]

I assumed he just makes that shit up on the spot lol

[fair mist]

just making sure i didnt all the sudden forget how to play

[lucid olive]

well one does not exclude the other

[fair mist]

it does in my brain and thats all that matters.

[lucid olive]

fair

[bleak rivet]

Just make sure you have your excuses ready, tank pulls are bad. Healer sucks. You are lagging ect and pre patch is fine

[fair mist]

haha i just checked warcraft logs, we bad prepatch got it lol

[lucid olive]

buffed next week

[fair mist]

nice

[bleak rivet]

Cope or true?

[lucid olive]

pins

[fair mist]

HOWEVER, if you join any of my epic BGs.... we are blasting so who really cares 😛

[bleak rivet]

We so back

[dense steeple]

doing a lot of damage in BGs doesnt mean we're blasting

[fair mist]

this is all that matters rigght? Best DPS in game

balance is BIS

[lucid olive]

2 kills

[bleak rivet]

Is that the midnight release patch or coming in next reset?

[fair mist]

hahahahaha

[lofty depot]

lies

[lucid olive]

https://www.wowhead.com/blue-tracker/news/us/the-second-midnight-pre-expansion-update-goes-live-february-10-world-of-warcraft-24247153

[bleak rivet]

Oh we are so back.

Brings us back into the top 4 specs that bring mark of the wild

[dense steeple]

gamz how much % do you think this buff is overall

[lofty depot]

its not even top 5 specs that bring motw

[dense steeple]

20%?

[lofty depot]

not a buff

[lucid olive]

idk

[dense steeple]

mathis hard and no sims feel bad

[lucid olive]

just make some number up and then tell people i said it

[nova ocean]

69 percent

Pin it

[dense steeple]

real quick can you type "this is approximately a 37% buff to ST"

[lucid olive]

actually think its 2 less than that..

[rare cradle]

seventyleven

[bleak rivet]

Anywhere from 2kb to 10kb worth of dmg in a epic bg

[lofty depot]

maff ez

just ask clanker

[delicate perch]

@potent cargo

[dense steeple]

fuckin devo dh has working sims

and theyre all like "is this a good sim? 8 target 7 minutes"

???

made up ass numbers

[rare cradle]

must be shadarek's doing

[lofty depot]

silly melee players

[nova ocean]

They should have used hectic add cleave too

[dense steeple]

dh are a breed man

im really upset im in their disc

but theres like 3 good people in there worth talking to about the spec and also paper

[loud kettle]

m+ sim bro trust

[craggy sonnet]

that last set of changes was actually kind of a nerf in ST

so yeah

fun

surely we were too good in the last raid test

[lofty depot]

blud said kind of

[dense steeple]

i started up a debate about the uselessness of the sims they linked and i had all the experts on my side and everyone else mad

it was funny

[lofty depot]

glad u learned how to ragebait and brought it there

[craggy sonnet]

was meteorites that good btw?

[dense steeple]

i wasnt even trying to ragebait

but the havoc refugees are goofy

[lofty depot]

op

[craggy sonnet]

hm aight

cuz i dont like how they are taking away our prio

piece by piece

[woven blade]

are the buffs and nerfed to classes live already ?

[craggy sonnet]

next week

(they are on beta servers tho)

[woven blade]

oh ok ty

[bleak rivet]

Can someone write a letter to blizzard and say they need to update full moon visuals to be obnoxiously big and impactful when it hits the target. Think collapsing star level but bigger. It’s a moon.

[pseudo merlin]

make moons good first please

we can RP majora's mask later

[lofty depot]

they already updated it to actually show up

dont ask for too much, it took them 2 years

[bleak rivet]

Sorry I’m being greedy now. The buffs got me thinking I can ask

[lofty depot]

not buffs

[craggy sonnet]

did you actually see the full moon visual?

its pretty big already

[bleak rivet]

Could be bigger and more outrageous

[craggy sonnet]

hm hm

[minor anchor]

Is it too soon to complain about the design of our next 2set?

[lofty depot]

i mean... everyones tierset is some passive bullshit

[bleak rivet]

Like I’m thinking thanos throwing planet level of crazy

[lofty depot]

what u mean "design"

[minor anchor]

It gets worse the better you play or like atleast it reads kinda like that

[lofty depot]

why do u think that

u generate more asp outside of eclipse

u will be outside of eclipse regardless of "how well u play"

[craggy sonnet]

speak for yourself

i'll be blasting in eclipse all day

[lofty depot]

ur gonna be blasting on the bench lil gup

[minor anchor]

I dont disagree, but optimal uptime is a skill

[lucid olive]

the more ap out of eclipse thing just means you chain starweaver procs at the end of eclipse and then play out the solstice duration before entering eclipse again

[craggy sonnet]

but i got promoted to officer .. surely less likely to get benched

[lofty depot]

more likely to be 21st man now

[lucid olive]

officer is perma in nice

[minor anchor]

So you trigger as late in the eclipse as possible

and you farm

[lofty depot]

u cant have 100% uptime and that will change based on add spawns prob

[craggy sonnet]

can we track solstice?

[lucid olive]

yeah its a buff

[craggy sonnet]

i dont even know if i checked cdm

[lucid olive]

think its in there

[lofty depot]

it is

[lofty depot]

i was looking for OB and saw the icon but it was solstice

[lucid olive]

convoke gives 1 second per starsurge

[craggy sonnet]

sick

[lucid olive]

and idk its like 5 starsurges or something?

[craggy sonnet]

and so does ec talent surges

[lucid olive]

and pressing CA is 6 seconds

[craggy sonnet]

ye?

[lucid olive]

yeah its the same thing

[craggy sonnet]

do they just stack

duration

or overwritten

[lucid olive]

you stack duration but entering eclipse overwrites it

[lofty depot]

but 7 icons looks yucky

[lucid olive]

so entering eclipse resets solstice to 6 seconds since thats the solstice talent

[craggy sonnet]

reasonable

really love that for us

[lucid olive]

thats why there was a bug in tww where spell queueing a Starweaver proc as your first spender in an Eclipse you wouldnt get Hail of Stars value from it

[minor anchor]

Im thinking 90% of solstice is spend in eclipse so its just doesnt interact with the set

[craggy sonnet]

so now i'll be out here tracking solstice and starlord before getting back into eclipse

lets go

[lucid olive]

cause the Solstice applied after the Hail of Stars did

[craggy sonnet]

i c

[lucid olive]

but can't really spell queue this eclipse so dont think its an issue

[craggy sonnet]

ye

[lofty depot]

what

[craggy sonnet]

dont what the guy

[lucid olive]

i also think that Solstice resetting instead of stacking was a decision they made back when Pulsar existed

[craggy sonnet]

the shooting stars part also works inside eclipse

its traditionally confusing blizzard descriptions

[minor anchor]

basically out of my entire uptime of solstice how much of it overlaps with being in eclipse

[craggy sonnet]

read above

[minor anchor]

GG

[craggy sonnet]

the outside eclipse thing only relates to the ap gen

[minor anchor]

cool !

[lofty depot]

oh he assumed the outside of eclipse part was all of it

tragic

[craggy sonnet]

damn .. so how do i track solstice now

[lofty depot]

silly silly guy

[craggy sonnet]

can you get more than 6s duration via these other procs

or is that the cap

[lucid olive]

you can go above

[minor anchor]

yep

[craggy sonnet]

hmmm, wanted to make a bar with arcui

but that makes it awkward

[minor anchor]

ok but than this is crazy i did some damage contribution test on dummies and shootings stars was 12% of ST

thats a lot before it gets 50 more dmg from 2set

[lofty depot]

yea itll be like 20% of ur dam

[craggy sonnet]

which is why the stellar amp change is a big one (granted it'd still be one of the best points to spend)

i just think its odd that they are tuning talents around tier sets

[nova ocean]

I don't think they are tuning around our tier set

Theyve said they noticed we have a ramping problem and then failed to fix it the tuning hopefully means they are still trying to fix it

[bleak rivet]

I know it’s sim and tuning reliant but is there a world were we are taking elunes challenge with star lord for turbo hasted casts outside of eclipse now we aren’t spending most of our time in eclipse

[lofty depot]

what means u think that tuning does anything to our "ramp"

[nova ocean]

I don't think it does I mean I hope that's just a small part of them working on it

[lofty depot]

i dont think they thought at all about that

[nova ocean]

Then wat u think they just threw a dart at our talent tree

[lofty depot]

we are spending more time outside of eclipse, its a sim question and possibly just a fight problem.... If theres like 3 talents between one another, and u can gain more from it maybe

[bleak rivet]

Sorry meant to say are**

[lofty depot]

i stopped typinging sorry

[lofty depot]

yes

[bleak rivet]

Just from vibes now it’s been fun having like 1.1s outside of lust starfires

[lofty depot]

why r u pressing starfire

[craggy sonnet]

and how is that connected to stellar amp being targeted with a nerf?

[bleak rivet]

Do we not as ec?

[nova ocean]

It means they are looking at dots atleast cause that's the problem

[lofty depot]

ec....

smh

[bleak rivet]

Oh no am i confirmed worst balance Druid?

[lofty depot]

if ur an ec enjoyer

we got problems

[bleak rivet]

I mean

[lofty depot]

M+ ideas are kind of weird.... cuz of how the downtime will be

[bleak rivet]

Having very fast wrath casts as keepers is fun

Ignore anything else I wrote

I only ever play keeper

[lofty depot]

i dont believe u

[bleak rivet]

I love trees

They are so green and covered in bark

(Trees ftw)

[minor anchor]

Can you clarify when does it shift to us spending more time outside eclipses.

I just ran a 300s test where i spend 210s in eclipse

[lofty depot]

later in fights

[craggy sonnet]

so thats just 70% inside eclipse

[lofty depot]

this is rough cuz fight weird... but first 3m

next 3m

[minor anchor]

so that like an 63% average

[lofty depot]

yes

[minor anchor]

did you mean it like more time outside eclipses compared to before the prepatch?

[lofty depot]

well yea

in tww ur tlaking like 95% uptime