balance

[lucid olive]

the spec can become very sequence-y

where you always have to press eclipse after an instant to avoid losing uptime

[drifting nova]

ok so nothing, got it

it's needless friction with no upside

[warm current]

i'm sure some boomies liked STFL play, i found it tedious and unrewarding. i don't enjoy eclipse being on the GCD, again tedious to manage.

[drifting nova]

it doesnt DO damage tho, same way sweeping strikes doesnt for arms

[lucid olive]

the upside is that you can tune the buffs connected to entering eclipse higher

[eager raft]

I hate flare because they gutted its functionality

[fossil hemlock]

I'm surprised you know what friction is with how smooth your brain is

[lofty depot]

Same

[fossil hemlock]

It does???

Bro

Literally first point in apex

You brainlet

[eager raft]

Why is it on gcd in prepatch then

[eager raft]

Didn’t think of that did ya

[fossil hemlock]

Because it's the same game

[drifting nova]

I play the game today

[eager raft]

Didn’t even consider that did ya

[drifting nova]

not in a year

[lofty depot]

Pvpers complained about orbital strike talent move.

Frogs complained about flare.

Frogs complained now about a half gcd eclipse button.

It's tragic really

[drifting nova]

think about now, not next week

live in the moment

[pseudo merlin]

@drifting nova

[drifting nova]

is map?

[pseudo merlin]

this is correct

[eager raft]

Have they forgotten it used to be TWO GCDs to enter eclipse

Now it’s half and they’re crying

Thoughts?

[lofty depot]

No they don't think about that

[manic plume]

It should be zero 😠

[lofty depot]

It's essentially zero

[eager raft]

Yeah it feels like nothing

Doesn’t really break your flow up at all

[drifting nova]

it's like stevie wonder made this map holy

[fossil hemlock]

It feels so nice I genuinely don't get people complaining

[manic plume]

It's better - but it could be perfect.

[drifting nova]

2 that did damage, not much, but some and didnt feel awful

[pseudo merlin]

Only change I'd make is toss in the british isles with eastern europe

[eager raft]

Kekkers brother

Eclipse does damage in midnight

[drifting nova]

poland is 100% eastern europe, it's slav central smh

[fossil hemlock]

Lmao

[drifting nova]

THINK NOW

[eager raft]

Why are you pretending like you haven’t been told that already

[lofty depot]

Question, did u prog dimmy

[eager raft]

I am getting one guyd by kekkers man

[fossil hemlock]

And 2 uneclipsed starfires did practically 0 damage

[eager raft]

How have I not learned this lesson

[lofty depot]

This isn't a gotcha moment, this is a do u understand mechanics problem

[warm current]

I did. My guild was the last RtWL guild lol

[lofty depot]

Ok, so did u ever have to do excess mass pull down

[warm current]

We raided all day, I wsa in from 9am to about 6pm when Milker came in as a replacement for me (and he's a better boomkin)

[fossil hemlock]

God I loved not being able to enter eclipse for 10 seconds

Or whatever pull down time was

[warm current]

Prior to that I had around 2+ weeks of mythic dimmy prog

[lofty depot]

If so, u should know there's times where u just can't get into eclipse because of timing, and not casting Starfire but rather having an instant fixes the problem

[warm current]

Excess mass pulldown? you mean the gravity orbs?

[lofty depot]

2 starfires casts < 1 halfgcd, instant cast

It's the orb u pick up

[drifting nova]

how in christ do the 7 talents work from 80-90

[fossil hemlock]

I guess you'll find out

[warm current]

yeah i was assigned to the back left orb

[drifting nova]

not at this rate I wont

[lofty depot]

Ok, so those are called excess masses

[eager raft]

4 for apex, 3 hero talents, 3 class tree

[warm current]

and you are correct, a half GCD is WAY better than the two globals and cast time of Starfire

[pseudo merlin]

excess masses is what I call your mom and her side of the family

GOTTEM

[manic plume]

yeah bu tlike in what order

[eager raft]

Different for everybody

[drifting nova]

so whats the order

[eager raft]

Gonna have to see which seed you get

[fossil hemlock]

Check on wowhead calc tbh

[manic plume]

I better fukin' high roll

[lofty depot]

That's crazy

[fossil hemlock]

I think spec first but unsure

[warm current]

but as Cosmicsans said, it could be perfect

[lofty depot]

Hi thyme

[eager raft]

I’m gona roll all 4 apex talents first 4 levels

And be world first 90

[drifting nova]

I mean it becomes active at 50..so

I doubt thats right

[fossil hemlock]

No it doesn't

Click 1/4, look at "required level"

[drifting nova]

WHY LIGHT UP IF NO LIGHT

[fossil hemlock]

PRESS RANK 1 APEX

[drifting nova]

1/4/7/0

[manic plume]

ty king

[lofty depot]

Ain't no way

[dense steeple]

Yall ever get margs for lunch when at work

[lofty depot]

Yea with ravecs mom

[drifting nova]

wait that apex talent isnt just one talent right

[loud kettle]

Literally never

[drifting nova]

when its got like 4 things in it

[pseudo merlin]

oh so you're the gay best friend?

[lucid olive]

its a 4 point node yes

[manic plume]

3 Marg lunch on a friday is an industry standard

[loud kettle]

never had a marg in my life

[drifting nova]

eww

[lofty depot]

Type shit

[dense steeple]

Theyre overrated

[drifting nova]

butter person?

[dense steeple]

Tequila is my least favorite liquor. But thats all they serve here

[loud kettle]

butter does own

[pseudo merlin]

a "marg" is one of those things I've seen referenced like a quadrillion times in american tv but never actually tasted

[dense steeple]

Thats a goated comeback tbh

[pseudo merlin]

[dense steeple]

Margs arent american

[pseudo merlin]

Tell Hollywood that

[lofty depot]

Hollywood isn't American either

[dense steeple]

Just cause Americans like margaritas dont make them americna

[lucid olive]

new marvel show looks decent

[pseudo merlin]

I never said they're american

[dense steeple]

Its like hentai, america might be the biggest consumer but its not american

[pseudo merlin]

American tv popularised them to non american audiences

[lofty depot]

Aint no way America is the biggest consumer

[pseudo merlin]

Not a single person in the EU would probably know what a marg was if not for american tv

[lucid olive]

norway is the worlds biggest consumer of taco and that shit's mexican

so i hear what youre sayin

[manic plume]

they just think its a pizza it's fine

[lofty depot]

Is that a stat or

[dense steeple]

You can get a margarita pizza

[pseudo merlin]

Yeah like are you all blending margherita pizzas and drinking them?

That sounds american as fuck

[dense steeple]

But its non-alcoholic idk why

[lofty depot]

Sounds disgusting as fuck

[pseudo merlin]

Margherita pizza + milkshake

I could see it

https://klipy.com/gifs/merica-blow-kiss-1

[gentle scroll]

Alcoholic pizza would kill half the country

[craggy sonnet]

Ok, so that is the topic from yday again, right?
Is that actually an issue?

[lofty depot]

Well when he says u

What he means is not the frogs

[craggy sonnet]

Surely it doesn't matter even if you lose 0.2s of effective uptime to press ecl into spender after a hard cast. Considering you are almost always gonna be either refreshing Sunfire or putting down trees anyways

And it is never gonna be close in terms of loss compared to the on gcd variant

And it is a tradeoff anyways, cause you are losing effective uptime of the CD if you want to press it during the gcd of an instant to queue something after, no?

[lofty depot]

.2 * 14 eclipses

Thats half an eclipse time

[dense steeple]

Save me from my gluttony

[icy beacon]

Is bear form a defensive? My boomie keeps arguing that it’s not

[dense steeple]

Yes and no

Depends on its use

[dense steeple]

Consistent damage output? No its not a defensive

One big random hit? It can be yes

[dense steeple]

No i know why i was meming

[stone cairn]

[warm galleon]

How is balance performing in midnight? I'm resto but my friend wants a shot at healing

[lofty depot]

I've already talk to said boomkin and determined he is stupid

[pseudo merlin]

bad

[lofty depot]

Tuning is an on going thing, it's hard to tell how specs will perform in raid because raid testing is often times different to live. M+ does look poggers

[drifting nova]

giga dog, do not do

maybe next week the actual big features of midnight will be shown

believe

[lofty depot]

Housing big feature

[void jacinth]

and coffee?

and pepsi?

and frozen pizza

[lucid olive]

damn right

and fårikål

[void jacinth]

xd

[craggy sonnet]

lol ok .. but right now its .5 * whatever eclipses

[drifting nova]

hype when

[pine star]

this new eclipse thing, is there a talent or something that make it perma lunar or what?

[drifting nova]

yes

in ec

the very same talent we've used all xpac

[sturdy pumice]

for ec, yes

[pine star]

ah

[lofty depot]

Well it's not perma lunar

If u die it to goes to solar 🙂

[pine star]

do we like to have it as a button? cause i dont

[lofty depot]

What do u mean otherwise

[pine star]

like that then 🙂

[lofty depot]

U need it as a button to get into eclipse

The question doesn't make sense

[pine star]

it was a passive before

[drifting nova]

times were better

[lofty depot]

Well u still had to cast starfire or wrath to get into eclipse

[drifting nova]

maybe its worse bc I only play ec

[lofty depot]

So the buff was passive, but u still needed to cast something to get into it

Essentially the same premise

[drifting nova]

but then again kotg only..plays solar 90% of the time

so idk

[lucid olive]

think this is fixed

[void jacinth]

Wagwan, what did you get for Xmas still?

[drifting nova]

https://tenor.com/view/i-don't-know-you-like-that-tony-zatima-we're-not-close-you're-not-my-friend-gif-3119499412241051086

[void jacinth]

why u movin all buki man

[mighty comet]

any addon to replace moonkin form WA?

[drifting nova]

your eyes

[somber path]

not yet though it should do doable someone already made a addon to replace missing buffs wa

[lofty depot]

There's multiple addons j download to do it

But the in game cooldown manager is the starting point

[exotic perch]

also just dont have mk abilities in human form on your bar

pretty good way to know

[last hornet]

Are you guys getting used to new eclipse mechanic ? Whats the number of target worth using starfire plss ?

[nova ocean]

I'm pretty sure we don't know yet cause no sims

For starfire

[lucid olive]

just purely off vibes with no math behind it, you Starfire in Lunar on 5 targets and more

[quiet drift]

Agree with those vibes

[lucid olive]

but when you press CA and have the instant Starfire maybe can spend that on like 3+

[quiet drift]

But if youre playing contet where there are 5mobs stacked just play EC

[lucid olive]

ye

[pallid bay]

what addon makes CDM grow centered horizontally

[lucid olive]

cooldown manager centered

[pallid bay]

aint no way

[lucid olive]

a little on the nose yeah

[pallid bay]

..

i will steal the code..

[pseudo merlin]

WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS THING

GET IT AWAY FROM ME

[delicate perch]

That’s Sonar

[meager storm]

my goat

https://tenor.com/view/sonar-dispatch-gif-2863421100484639066

[lofty depot]

W sune stealing code to make an addon that has everything

[pallid bay]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1181574946321870999/1466887491310059541/Wow_YxS0eQxTlF.gif

is the last thing i need..

[true viper]

wallahi i need that

[hot lily]

🔥

[meager storm]

how about u make ticks for the ap bar

[pallid bay]

ticks = noobert..

[lofty depot]

What the

The last thing u need is to count shoot stars hits

[meager storm]

havent seen a ss of a private r1 from u in a while maybe u need the ticks

[true viper]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-deglove-degloving-speed-grolemcorp-gif-2628858460915389297

[lucid olive]

a starsurge?

[meager storm]

gottem

dsune my goat, this oi guy tho...

[pallid bay]

im washed

[meager storm]

last tier was fake

lock in

[pallid bay]

every tier is fake..

[meager storm]

[pallid bay]

xd crits

[quiet drift]

We watched your Ansurek kill and you seeing the ring drop was the happiest ive ever heard you

[meager storm]

when there is 1 single korean on the top 10 u know the tier had issues

[quiet drift]

[pallid bay]

i didnt even get it..

look bad

[true viper]

Based

Real men are focusing on their ui

[lofty depot]

It's ok there's only 1 feral in top 10

[lucid olive]

wow actual noob

[lofty depot]

Member when

[pallid bay]

heard u were PI abuser

[lucid olive]

no Tradu just forgets to change focus..

I ask on Soul Hunters

[true viper]

How do u get the desaturation i need that

[quiet drift]

There is colour settings in graphics

[pallid bay]

its in a WA..

[quiet drift]

What

[lucid olive]

Sune cheats

didnt you know

[quiet drift]

I feel like

Thats making it more complicated

But what do I know

[pallid bay]

how so

i just open WA

write some funny code

[true viper]

https://tenor.com/view/michaeljordan-mj-basketball-gif-michael-jordan-no-no-no-no-gif-16220345851539903827

[pallid bay]

done

[true viper]

How funny

[lucid olive]

the icons look ugly

[stone ledge]

Not even centered

[pallid bay]

i agree but i wont be changing them

[true viper]

can i have the weakaura

[pallid bay]

my fucks are limited

[pallid bay]

i'd rather you get some funny CDM addon ngl

i havnt tested if anything breaks by doing it my way

[stone ledge]

Can we budget centered icons with a singular fuck sir

[pallid bay]

outside of hitting a funny dummy

[true viper]

Alright ill wait on it

[pallid bay]

fucks has been allocated for centered icons

[stone ledge]

[sudden marsh]

Na but...dont oil us up and then leave us to dry

[meager storm]

is that ohne

close

[eager raft]

Can u send me it once u know everything works

pls

[pallid bay]

gatekeeping

$5

[eager raft]

good thinking I will help you gatekeep

[pallid bay]

can always count on you

[delicate perch]

I’ll pay $10 if you gatekeep it further somehow

[pseudo merlin]

same

[dusty ember]

Hey all. Normally resto but I’ve been noodling with balance cause I was curious how the new eclipse worked. Max level but not perfectly itemized gear and I was trying out the cleave dummies but I think I’m missing something. As Elune was doing only like 65k DPS (if blizzards meter is to be believed)

Pressing starfall and using free star surges. Keeping eclipse uptime as high as I can between incarnation and eclipse. Not checking burst this is sustained over five minutes or so. I may just be bad I accept that possibility. Just wanted to know what is considered decent numbers wise

[lucid olive]

spec doesn't do a lot of dam right now on pre-patch

[dusty ember]

Oh. Known issue or is it dependent on apex stuff that’s not there?

[pseudo merlin]

Garbage tuning

[dense steeple]

i'll pay 15 to send me and let me promote you

[delicate perch]

It could be worse, we could be doing healer damage

[dusty ember]

Is balance legitimately badly tuned right now comparatively or are some specs over tuned?

[lucid olive]

both

its getting buffs but not until launch

[dusty ember]

I’m not dismiss what you’re saying btw I just know sometimes on the forums there’s always people complaining so I just wanted to make sure

[delicate perch]

Prepatch is fake just log off

[lofty depot]

confirmed?

fuggn liar prob

[dense steeple]

gamz knows the guy

dont call him a liar

[lofty depot]

well u see it first hand that the spec doesnt do a lot... if u go watch m+ content u can also then see it with other classes

[dense steeple]

gamz wouldnt lie to us like some purple named moonkins

[drifting nova]

time to play the real chicken

tbc chicken

[lofty depot]

but theres 2-3 specs right now doing 10-20% more than others

wcyd

[dense steeple]

im a huge fan of using this guys log as justification for our damage

[lucid olive]

yeah the buffs that are on beta

[drifting nova]

showed that priest who the boss is

[dense steeple]

spriest right where he belongs for sure

[drifting nova]

only a 21 ilvl diff

[dense steeple]

actually crazy a buyer almost beat him

[pallid bay]

[native wharf]

how get

[dusty ember]

Is KOTG the thing or is Elune still decent for M+

[dense steeple]

vibecoding

[pallid bay]

no get

🥀

[sudden pawn]

Sub to his only fans

[lofty depot]

hes a sciencer

[sudden pawn]

To get

[dusty ember]

I was testing as Elune. My singke target dummy damage seemed not great

[pallid bay]

i need someone to implement reasonable ways of handling this

this is like tailored to my setup

[lofty depot]

(as stated ur playing boomkin, a spec that does shit damage)

[native wharf]

it looks good, keep up the vibecoding xd

[drifting nova]

in a spec that historically also does shit st damage

[lofty depot]

does my setup mean specifically everything, or just like 6 icons vs 5

[dusty ember]

Fair I’m also not seasoned so it’s so hard to tell how much of it is me ya know? My ST damage was only like 25k I think over 5 minutes. Though my meters might not have been reflecting it right

[pallid bay]

i tried to make it center based on editmode position so it would not break editmode but i just cbad and anchored it to my eclipse bar instead

[lofty depot]

was gonna say just center it to the power bar

[iron python]

yo what have you guys been using to track eclipse uptime? im using bcdm for my ui and it doesnt seem to have a functionality for that

[lofty depot]

track the buff in cdm

[drifting nova]

I tap my feet

[iron python]

oh shit im an idiot lmao

[dusty ember]

CDM bar is ok

[iron python]

good shout

[pseudo merlin]

Don't listen to @lucid olive he's one of those "forum posters"

boomie is as good as you make it

[loud kettle]

an "expert" I hear

[pseudo merlin]

real

[dense steeple]

you who else is an expert

mystical corn

that guy is a new expert

[lofty depot]

vinter

[dense steeple]

hes really cool

[pseudo merlin]

I want chicken and the german guy back

those were the days

what was his name again

timpriest?

[pallid bay]

why is this thing even

so difficult to customize

blizzard are morons

[pseudo merlin]

true and real

[lofty depot]

theyre also just missing shit

[pseudo merlin]

what if they are secretly planning to sell ui customisation in the cash shop?

[lofty depot]

not only is it difficult, its lacking

[dusty ember]

Can’t tell if I’m being messed with or if you were saying that they’re just fine right now lol

[pallid bay]

is there any CDM addon that changes font and size

[pseudo merlin]

ABE has CD and keybind font sliders

and font choices

[pallid bay]

whats the name

actionbarenhanced or something

[dense steeple]

bcdm does right?

[pseudo merlin]

@pallid bay

[dense steeple]

yeah bettercooldownmanager does it too

[craggy sonnet]

i think pretty much any cdm addon does

well, most

cooldown manager control does as well

[dusty ember]

Drama aside I did like QuI’s interface

[craggy sonnet]

abe and cdm control also give you some decent hooks for changing glows and stuff if you want to check these out

i've seen one of the devs that helped quazii co author a new ui addon

tavern ui or something

[dusty ember]

Oh?

[pallid bay]

yeah tavern UI

backed by Naowh™

[dusty ember]

QUI was really powerful and a good one stop shop. I got it before the drama storm hit and backed off cause I was afraid of getting used to something with no support

[craggy sonnet]

oh is it that one?

i didnt know

just randomly saw it earlier

[lucid olive]

lmao

at least the dev getting paid

[craggy sonnet]

also ayije is working on a cdm addon

[dusty ember]

I’m all for supporting a UI if it’s done legit. Right now it feels like the Wild West of UI’s

[tacit oriole]

Boys I pulled it!!

[lofty depot]

hey thats me

[delicate perch]

real (I make it worse)

[tacit oriole]

https://tenor.com/view/tmnt-michelangelo-totally-radical-radical-cool-gif-3396908717548610325

[drifting nova]

listen bub, they are trying their best

[tacit oriole]

That could be one of your alts name 😂

[pseudo merlin]

as long as you're having fun king

[amber snow]

Is there any feedback forum where we can make Blizzard get Eclispe Off GCD? it feels bad with this on GCD 😕

[tacit oriole]

I think they have it pinned somewhere

[exotic perch]

It used to be a full gcd

It being a half one is fine

[delicate perch]

I haven't had less fun in wow in years

[exotic perch]

Hey at least mk didnt lose complexity

[delicate perch]

true

[exotic perch]

They just nuked some specs man

Our arcane mage is giga depressed

[delicate perch]

ours won't shut up

[exotic perch]

They killed all talent in that spec

[delicate perch]

@knotty sparrow quiet

[potent cargo]

[delicate perch]

oh he's actually here

[tacit oriole]

They nuked devoker also

[potent cargo]

expert abuser

[delicate perch]

surely pvp expert lasts through changes

[potent cargo]

what changes are happening

this discord been the same trash heap since i joined it

[delicate perch]

exactly

[exotic perch]

He is such a G hes always expert

[delicate perch]

press clone

[lofty depot]

did it feel bad when it took 2 starfires to get into eclipse

[delicate perch]

maybe press bear

[pseudo merlin]

😔

[potent cargo]

its fine im raiding again next season

i will provide expert pve advice

[pseudo merlin]

massive

[potent cargo]

"cast more" "move less"

[lofty depot]

wr 1350 or

[delicate perch]

as boomy?

[vale gazelle]

Ok, i finally figured out what has been making the new nameplates harder for me.

When you make them bigger so you can more easily see, they also move higher. Before the nameplates were pretty much like a cm above their head now its the in game equivalent of 6 feet up.

Is there an addon that I can change the nameplates height above target?

[delicate perch]

bro?

[potent cargo]

yer

idk what wr

let me look

world 71

[delicate perch]

surely not new guild

[exotic perch]

Damn no more honestly

[delicate perch]

[exotic perch]

Era gone

[lofty depot]

its probably in some off set number, but platynator surely

[potent cargo]

I don't have the time for that shit lmao

I wanna do an ironman

[lofty depot]

what about group ironman

[potent cargo]

nah like

an irl ironman

[lofty depot]

theres runescape irl

sick

[potent cargo]

so many ppl left honestly

[vale gazelle]

Thank you, will look into it

[potent cargo]

after i stopped raiding

few good ppl in there but i dont recognize a solid 60% of the names in there anymore so not really my thing ig

[delicate perch]

tomato leader though

[exotic perch]

Full ironman?

[delicate perch]

login

[potent cargo]

70.3 to start bro im not that fit

[nimble tangle]

I’m back

[potent cargo]

but i might hop on

[lofty depot]

whe nhe said "so many people left honestly"

[nimble tangle]

Any new CDM addons

[potent cargo]

[exotic perch]

Lmao i was like damn boy if you were doing a full one

[lofty depot]

i didnt realize he was talking about the guild

[nimble tangle]

Or weakaura alive

[delicate perch]

LOL

[exotic perch]

Your body is not built for that

Too thicc

[potent cargo]

yer i was thinking about it

[lofty depot]

oh u can join pumps and rae

[potent cargo]

cut to like 80kg

[lofty depot]

[potent cargo]

would look like i just came out the camps in 1945

[potent cargo]

nah my new guild is ppl i used to do wf with like 10 years ago lol

[exotic perch]

Im 84kg so yeah youd be tiny

[lofty depot]

so uncs

[potent cargo]

lil 3 day a week action

[exotic perch]

I could trim off 5 if i needed to but food is delicious

[potent cargo]

thats my biggest issue

[delicate perch]

aren't you like 7'5

[potent cargo]

stress eating / love food too much

6 and some change depending on if i stand up properly

[lofty depot]

could trim 20-30 lbs end of month by just not drinking soda

[potent cargo]

mans got some posture issues

[lofty depot]

but were here for a good time not a long time

[exotic perch]

Im glad i didnt come out of 20 yrs of wrestling with an eating disorder

[potent cargo]

I get these yt shorts of this american wrestling coach

he's fucking insane

[lofty depot]

which one

[potent cargo]

idk his name but got a real appreication for how fast the mf moves

[exotic perch]

Yeah some guys are very quick and i was not

Works well for jiu jitsu

[delicate perch]

have you seen that like 5'4 NA wrestler

[exotic perch]

Sir this is 80% of wrestlers

[potent cargo]

lmao

[delicate perch]

true

[exotic perch]

At least im average height at 5'7

No manlet here

[lofty depot]

wreslter and 5'7

sounds like a manlet

[exotic perch]

Hey buddy wanna go

[lofty depot]

u prefer double leg or single

[exotic perch]

[delicate perch]

look at arctic following the rules

[exotic perch]

Single cause my neck hurts too much now to do doubles

[delicate perch]

have a street fight coward

[lofty depot]

type shit

[potent cargo]

average height in Australia is like 5'10 or some shit

fkn wild how tall everyone is lmao

[exotic perch]

Kinda like the dutch

Giants over there

[delicate perch]

I'm like a spec over 6 I wanna know whos bumping the average up cause I swear everyone is so short

[potent cargo]

ive heard @muted citrus is 6'6 so definitely bringing up the average

[delicate perch]

I'd believe it

[muted citrus]

ya I'm huge

[potent cargo]

[pseudo drum]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-meme-uppies-cat-flying-nacho-cat-gif-6044910899230564849

[dense steeple]

true

[dense steeple]

do you have to bend down to get through doorways

[pseudo drum]

Y’all see that Wembanyama kick to the basketball net like it was nothing?

[muted citrus]

no I just bust through

fuck a door

[dense steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/mommy-sorry-mommy-sorry-meme-anime-gif-8261604376370754859

[knotty sparrow]

[delicate perch]

[tacit oriole]

Are you talking about the dude name Georgio? The take me down get a 1000s guy? He’s pretty skilled

[drifting nova]

mr mysterio himself

[tacit oriole]

“Who’s that jumping out the sky”

[delicate perch]

nah think his names lucas

dont think hes actually 5'4 but hes shorter than his gf/fiance w/e

[tacit oriole]

Yeah no idea then

The coaches back in high school wanted me to wrestle and play lacrosse, but I just wanted to stick to football 😂

[delicate perch]

oh he's 5'6 apparently, lucas byrd

bros a demon though

[tacit oriole]

Then I tore my acl and meniscus my senior year and it was GG for me 😔

[tacit oriole]

I’ll check him out

[glossy jungle]

@potent cargo you sub 6'?

[pseudo merlin]

I'm 5'11''

so close to greatness

forever short

[tacit oriole]

You’re still a king in my eyes Rav

[pseudo merlin]

[tacit oriole]

[drifting nova]

need steps for the top shelf?

[vast birch]

when playing elunes chosen, do you just never touch wrath now?

[lofty depot]

probably not

[drifting nova]

dead button

which also makes eclipse a dead button in essence

[potent cargo]

lol no

[muted citrus]

https://klipy.com/gifs/cat-kitten-401

[glossy jungle]

very good. fuck them short kings

[plucky valley]

I’m 6’1

I’m slightly taller than my bf but he’s also much stronger than me

So we’re actually the same height

That’s called boyfriend math

[lyric kettle]

wtf toxic

[glossy jungle]

cant hear you down there sorry

[hollow mist]

I love short kings

[somber path]

the air is thinner up there anyway

[delicate perch]

how would you even know

[somber path]

I went up a ladder

[lyric kettle]

i'm now 6'7

[potent cargo]

taller = high altitude training

optimal in multiple ways

[somber path]

other side effect of being taller though mostly for extreme height(6'10 to over 7 feet plus) shorter life span

[potent cargo]

and when you start creeping up

you could get lebron build and be a fucking behemoth

or one of those mfs who look like they escaped from a testing facility real ghoul shit

[tight cypress]

Hey there, i havent played since DF and have a quick question, did they change the boomkins eclipse to be an active CD now?

[potent cargo]

yes

(its better this way)

[tight cypress]

how so?

[potent cargo]

well

think about it

you press a button to go into eclipse now

so you can go into eclipse on movement, during mechanics, dont have to risk overcapping asp or anything by forcing eclipse at high asp having to double cast, no interrupted starfires on st

[tight cypress]

i guess you do make apoint

[potent cargo]

im not saying you are bad player

[tight cypress]

No no, i get you

im just a player who regularily forgets CD's

[potent cargo]

but i guess a lot of bad players dont really think about the movement shit and about maximizing uptime, they just stop doing anything if mechanic happens kinda thing

Yeah, it is gonna take some getting used to

but we got a while until next xpac

plenty of time to practice

[tight cypress]

thats why im also not the biggest fan of trinkets with CD's, cause i regularily forget i have them

[potent cargo]

i woulda suggested weak auras but that's not a thing anymore

cd manager with an addon to make the icons big as fuck might be useful for you

[tight cypress]

potentially

or i just...you know...git gud

[potent cargo]

eh

i was a very very good player

and even i would forget trinket

when playing alts and shit, so i always had airhorn or electric spark reminding me

[tight cypress]

my attention is just not not the best, hence i struggle with this stuff

[potent cargo]

ya mine is binned now

need 300mg caffeine preworkout just to lock in

[tight cypress]

i just have adhd

[potent cargo]

[tight cypress]

but i only had to abandon my beloved owl once because it was just to much for me, and that was in the second half of Bfa

switched to ele shami back then, which you could not play wrong even if you tried

[brittle lynx]

Season 1 looks to be the same 😄

[tight cypress]

For ele shami?

thats nice

[lone turret]

Hi,

someone of you tried the trinket from dimi, the sim says its way better

[pallid bay]

sims wont give you accurate results

at all

not even for trinkets

[delicate perch]

the sim and its 21k

are you like 80ilvl

[pallid bay]

eclipse isnt implemented so it'll never enter eclipse outside of CA

meaning it'll just put dots up and press wrath

[delicate perch]

they should put like a red banner warning that sims won't work.. oh

[pallid bay]

could just remove the APL tbf

have it auto-attack

[delicate perch]

weapon damage suddenly insane on sims

[lone turret]

thanks

[sudden marsh]

https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/minitrinketglow

Heres another small addon that has the function that WAs wouldve but got robbed from us so now you have to have 100 Addons for achieving the same functionality

[tight cypress]

Hooray...

[pseudo merlin]

does BCDM not include trinkets?

I use ABE and it allows me to display trinkets, potions, healthstone

[jaunty blaze]

bcdm can show trinkets

[pseudo merlin]

then why are we downloading these standalone weird things that force you to use an actionbar

[jaunty blaze]

[craggy sonnet]

like what?

but yea bcdm has like 3 or 4 "custom bars" you can put stuff into

oh .. context, scrolling up

gg

[sudden marsh]

I like to have my actionbars very central and only use CDM for veryimportant stuff. Personal preference i guess

[pseudo merlin]

look up or

clanker smh...

[craggy sonnet]

im slippin

[pseudo merlin]

It's okay, winter stiffens the grease

It will be summer soon

[pseudo merlin]

Yeah keeping like 30 buttons that you don't need to see in the middle of your screen is definitely personal preference

[sudden marsh]

[lofty depot]

Whats the chance ur tracking wrath, Starfire, surge and/or Starfall in your cdm

[pseudo merlin]

I track wrath and STF so I know how many casts till my next eclipse

But since the prepatch dropped it's bugged

It's not showing eclipse progress anymore on wrath and STF

[lofty depot]

Hmm

[sudden marsh]

I only really track sf/mf and proc related stuff like weaver procs

[lofty depot]

damn, well the stat was near perfect. o well

[marble jungle]

soo i have been toying around with talents a bit and im kinda puzzled, why are ppl using Denizen when the damage is so low, why not replace it with Elune's Guidance or something else? [for EC hero tree]

[craggy sonnet]

wanna put some numbers behind that or?

denizen is primarily a ST talent

[marble jungle]

sure go for it, i mean the clearer answer the better ig

[craggy sonnet]

no i meant if you want to

what is low dmg

[marble jungle]

145k dmg in 3 mins

on 5 target cleave

[fossil hemlock]

Yeah it's a ST talent

[craggy sonnet]

idk what folks are cooking in m+ right now

all of these talents down there are kinda garbo

[marble jungle]

i mean guidance is fine, u get to fit more starfalls in Incarn

[craggy sonnet]

🤷

sure

ultimately dont know if you play either of these

didnt they buff denizens on beta?

[lofty depot]

yes

[round field]

Spoiler

Everything else is worthless too

[marble jungle]

bring back Ravenous Frenzy 😭

[fossil hemlock]

I'd rather not

[pseudo merlin]

what fight lengths does dslice use for aoe pulls

anyone know the parameters

is it like 30-60 with 3-5t and sometimes lust or

[pseudo merlin]

cheers

[craggy sonnet]

lust is usually with the boss

boss is at the start

[pseudo merlin]

so that's super short durations

wow

[lofty depot]

does ravec know......

[pseudo merlin]

calm down

[pseudo merlin]

beta is balanced (sub/bm) +18 msc

[drifting nova]

english?

why you always on the bottom

[pseudo merlin]

[cerulean bough]

I'm likely just being a bozo but is there something which would prevent eclipse from turning to solar after casting wrath?

[tight cypress]

how do you mean?

[cerulean bough]

I'm casting wrath and the button and in the spellbook it's only showing as lunar eclipse

[lofty depot]

if ur playing elunes chosen, its called lunar calling. should read ur hero talents

[cerulean bough]

Like I said, likley being a bozo

They buried that in the 2nd paragraph

Thank-you

[normal pilot]

ya it's just bad design by blizz

somethign that alters your core rotation like that should be the very first node

[lofty depot]

"paragraph"

[tight cypress]

You do 1000000000% more damage ||but only on thursdays||

[craggy comet]

So when playing elunes chosen, are people for ST using wrath/starsurge or just sticking to lunar spells?

[lofty depot]

when u see astral damage on a spell, its both lunar and solar

u arent likely using wrath

[craggy comet]

Ok, so stick with Starfire builder ?

[lofty depot]

as a filler yes

[tight cypress]

there is a lot more variety in builds now seemingly

[lofty depot]

thats because u dont know what is good

[craggy comet]

So wrath is basicly dead when it comes to elunes chosen

[lofty depot]

when sims come out, there likely wont be "variety"

[tight cypress]

Who cares about sims

[lofty depot]

its likely that u wont need to cast wrath.. but never know

[craggy comet]

Seems odd to cast the splash dmg spell over the ST spell for ST dmg

[lofty depot]

yea, totally no one looks at values of talents

[lofty depot]

did u read lunar calling

[craggy comet]

I get why

[tight cypress]

When i can do decent-enough damage i only care about fun for the rest of it

[lofty depot]

im glad u have fun playing the video game

[craggy comet]

i'm just hoping Boomkin gets some tuining love so it's not dead last

[lofty depot]

its not been dead last in a while

[craggy comet]

ok sorry, let me rephrase ... bottom 1/3 of specs in the D class for raid. even after last raid testing there wasn't really anyone "testing" and when tested it seemed to preform bad. but you never know i guess

[lofty depot]

are u in a top 50 guild

[lucid olive]

even in top 50 you can play moonkin without being a liability

if moonkins got raid spots in nerubar then everything is possible

and we saw moonkin on world 2nd in that raid

[tight cypress]

as long as i can do okay damage, and not break my head trying to do said damage, imma stick with my owl

[lofty depot]

1. even then theres people that play it in that area. but being in the bottom "w.e. sim chart" means nothing.
2. raid testing is fake. The adds often live longer than they will on live, people arent playing super efficiently, and boomkin pad op.
3. it wasnt performing bad in said testing

[round field]

noob deteced

[lament abyss]

Part of the reason I hate tier lists; over 90% of the player base don't play at a level it makes a difference. The comp we've ran for AOTC and the like, our top dps have been "bad" tier classes with "sub optimal" talent builds that fit their playstyle.

[round field]

well ye

obviously

[lucid olive]

are you saying tier lists make a difference if you're a top 10% player

[lofty depot]

u could likely get aotc with half ur raid being aug evokers

[lucid olive]

tier lists are made for clicks and entertainment

they have no value outside of that

[lament abyss]

min/max potentials

[round field]

nope

just money for youtubers

[lucid olive]

literally just for money

you're falling for the gambit

[tight cypress]

they should make a better gambit, by making druid forms look cooler

[lofty depot]

they did, just change race to haranir

but thats the blizzard gambit

[tight cypress]

the haranir owl looks weird

[lucid olive]

yeah this but for tier lists

[tight cypress]

i can just stick as a zandalari and have the better form of the two

[lament abyss]

So that means the WoW guide writers are in that 50% bell curve? 😛

[lucid olive]

no

[lofty depot]

its why i have to know information so i can counter the frogs "buh buh the tier list"

[lucid olive]

i just press buttons

then i make shit up and get paid for it

W

[lofty depot]

for the money too

[tight cypress]

Can the haranir owl form be customised?

[lucid olive]

yes

you can remove the ears and eyebrows so they look bald

[tight cypress]

is that all?

[lucid olive]

idk i use glyph of stars

[tight cypress]

I dont, hence im asking

[lucid olive]

the haranir form is just zandalari form with some more options

[tight cypress]

im a big fan of the shapeshifting aspect, but the zandalari druid from i have just gotten bored of over the years

[lucid olive]

but its the same base skeleton with the same animations

[tight cypress]

im considering a race change for my druid, maybe even a faction change

Zandalari just dont draw me in that much anymore, especially because they released almost 7 years ago and never got any new customisation options or anything

[lucid olive]

night elf is bis

shadowmeld good

and most transmogs look good on them

[lament abyss]

That would explain this on the Balance guide 🤭

[lucid olive]

real

[tight cypress]

i was thinking about worgen

[fossil hemlock]

What a self-report

[tight cypress]

Huh?

[lofty depot]

if u dont understand, it confirms it :/

[tight cypress]

I really do not understand

[lofty depot]

tragic

[tight cypress]

Is this a furry joke?

[lofty depot]

[lucid olive]

fixed

[tight cypress]

This...this is the druid server

[lament abyss]

🙏

[lofty depot]

yes and the furries are segregated

[craggy sonnet]

people in here like feathers not fur

[tight cypress]

where too?

Oh

Feral

i see

[lofty depot]

look at u

smart little wet dog

[drifting nova]

is the new race out eyt

[tight cypress]

Do not call me wet

[drifting nova]

sopping

[tight cypress]

[lofty depot]

https://klipy.com/gifs/rough-morning-sleepy

[drifting nova]

holy balls the haranir chicken form looks god awful

zandalar 2.0

[tight cypress]

Thge zandalari one looks better

[drifting nova]

just wrong

only good form they have is bear

with the spiked turtle

[tight cypress]

The haranir's proportions are just wrong

[drifting nova]

but I still aint playing a main of a new race

aintnohwei

[pseudo merlin]

Intentional

thoughts?

My guy pointing out that the goofiest shit in the game is goofy

[tight cypress]

that does not look goofy

just wrong

[lofty depot]

cuz worgens dont look wrong

hmm

[tight cypress]

they do not if you ask me

[fossil hemlock]

The owlbat looks great if you ask me

Now what

[tight cypress]

i do love the zandalari, both the race and the druid forms, but man they really need more customisatin options, like dear god

the race as a whole is old enough to go to school

[pseudo merlin]

Atleast I can conclude from this that you're not a cursed glyph of stars user

based

[tight cypress]

i play the shapeshifting class, imma use the shapes

[royal timber]

Do we know why Renewal got removed?

It was such a nice pop in case of emergency spell that I used really often all the time

[tight cypress]

Because Blizzard hates us, duh

[royal timber]

Ah

Well I'm going to go back to being cold in my drafty apartment then, it's 16 F out 🙁

I would love to be a bear at this point

[pseudo merlin]

Because defensive pruning

Blizzard thought classes had too many defenses

Look at mage, gutted, they have almost nothing left

So they had to gut druid too

🙂

[jaunty blaze]

are druids gutted tho

[tight cypress]

i mean in my books its never bad if they simplify the game

[round field]

mby you should stop reading then

[pseudo merlin]

Thanks for being part of the problem

I hate you

(genuinely)

[tight cypress]

Thanks, random guys on a random discord

[fossil hemlock]

Is it really a gutting when they had 400% more tools than they should have ever had?

[pseudo merlin]

Nvm I can't hate you, you're too based

[tight cypress]

If they adjust combat in a way that will require you to need less defensive spells then good

[pseudo merlin]

I was joking, mage defenses are still completely f ucking stupid

[fossil hemlock]

They really are. Ice barrier for 50% of health every 30 seconds, very cool

[pseudo merlin]

Im playing SP for midnight

[jaunty blaze]

the only bad thing is that defensives being walled behind using bearform

[pseudo merlin]

our power word shield shields for 3.8% of my hp on beta

I need to cast it 10-15 times to match 1 barrier

[lofty depot]

until they prune ice cold, their defensives are op

[pseudo merlin]

There's mask mobs in MSC that hit 560k on a 2 second cast time fire attack that's unavoidable (i dont think you can stop it either) when your HP is 400-480k

just random trash mobs

np

[fossil hemlock]

Sounds like a skill issue

[pseudo merlin]

I mean the skill here is routing past them

[tight cypress]

so?

You either die, or idk, use your Defense cd?

Pop a potion?

[pseudo merlin]

so like

this isn't happening

but that would be nice yeah

how can you pop a potion against a one shot

and i'd need 30% DR

[tight cypress]

How does a heal help you against a oneshott?

[pseudo merlin]

what?

[jaunty blaze]

[pseudo merlin]

I'm kekkers level confused now

[jaunty blaze]

yeah

[tight cypress]

Renewal? The spell you all complained about getting removed? A healing spell?

[jaunty blaze]

if an ability oneshots you (as in it does your entire lifepool in one go) you cant heal afterwards

because you are dead

[tight cypress]

Yes

thats my point

[pseudo merlin]

Oh this stopped being about renewal a long time ago

Pretty much instantly

[tight cypress]

[drifting nova]

pruning bad upvotes to the left

[lofty depot]

what ones shots are you getting hit by that arent you failing a mechanic

[drifting nova]

casters

[tight cypress]

interrupt them

[drifting nova]

interrupt still generationally bad

[pseudo merlin]

Hex Guardian's Magma Surge

An uninterruptable frontal firebeam that does a single damage instance and can't be stopped

[drifting nova]

idk if theres a true prune list somewhere

but I cannot find it

[lofty depot]

can u considered killing it faster

[pseudo merlin]

it casts it on pull

you'd need to bloodlust

and full single target

[jaunty blaze]

dont stand in front if its a frontal duh

[pseudo merlin]

its targetted

it's not avoidable

[round field]

shadowmeld it?

[pseudo merlin]

oh meld might work

good call

but like

[round field]

[pseudo merlin]

can we not come up with excuses for dog design

Just dont do dog design blizzerd

brb race changing my characters so I can live 1 trash mob in 1 dungeon

like it wasnt even a high key

it was an 18

[jaunty blaze]

race changing for mini game 😭

[pseudo merlin]

real..

[drifting nova]

wake me up when theres a race change ingame

[pseudo merlin]

there is

[drifting nova]

[pseudo merlin]

you can access the shop in game

it doesnt take you out of the game

[drifting nova]

hell I'd take it over another shitty mount at 2500

[pseudo merlin]

[round field]

lmao

good one

wonder what theyre gonna blame their shit boss design on now that weakauras are gone..

[drifting nova]

doesnt matter

console is coming

do you not have a console

[dense steeple]

this has been a thing since like at LEAST SL

[drifting nova]

yeah

and it was dumb then

doesnt stop it being dumb now

[dense steeple]

oh you just mean

like the barber

[tight cypress]

what?

[drifting nova]

I had a slim hope when they first announced allied races

for an ingame way yeah

but alas..it's blizzard

[tight cypress]

Yeah, why stop earning money

[pseudo merlin]

[pseudo merlin]

didnt you hear?

The next gen consoles are pc

[drifting nova]

cloud consoles

real gaming

[pseudo merlin]

not even cloud

[drifting nova]

wont even have to own one

[pseudo merlin]

cloud gaming for pc is definitely going to take off though

im sure of it

[dense steeple]

yeah pretty upset about that

[drifting nova]

me, too stupid to know what it is

like geforce now

or w/e it was

[dense steeple]

imagine buying a game, and you only have to download a launcher, but you have 0 agency over when and how you can play it.

all data stored server side

[drifting nova]

so like now?

[dense steeple]

input latency

worse

like imagine how wow runs but on a single player rpg

[drifting nova]

wasnt the geforce thing you run it off not your pc

[dense steeple]

and then also theres a fuckin cloud outage every 3 days because hackers cant stop crashing american systems for fun

you will have a basic ass pc that gets no upgrades ever, you just get to log into a server somewhere that may or may not be working, that may or may not allow you to access your save data, and that may or may not decide "fuck you we're turning this game off"

[drifting nova]

one of those things that sounds good in theory

but the reality not so much

[dense steeple]

it will also help drive prices up on computer components, because consumers dont need them. why sell things to consumer if all their needs are in the cloud

[pseudo merlin]

I mean that's the current state of things right, I'm sure they'll improve on it to actually allocate some personal storage space to you that you can store mod data on etc

iron out all the kinks

[dense steeple]

if they even allow mods

[drifting nova]

huh, ram really is up

atleast I think it is idk

[dense steeple]

i bought my ram at 350 bucks, its now 1400 dollars if you can even find it

[pseudo merlin]

Like in a hypothetical where there are no limitation on usage time or schedule, and you have some private storage somehow, and the pricing is competitive, that shit will take off

[drifting nova]

think my rough maths was like 100 for 32

but it was a prebuilt so eh

[pseudo merlin]

Especially if we're going to keep 500-1000% * price hiking random PC parts every few years

We just rotate

first gpu, now ram, storage is coming

5 years from now processors will cost 3k

[dense steeple]

yeah, the hypothetical is how theyre going to sell everyone on it, and then the execution and reality of it will be fuckin terrible and benefit no one but the company

[pseudo merlin]

likely yeah

[dense steeple]

storage is already starting to rise

[pseudo merlin]

its like 120/tb rn

[dense steeple]

and prebuilts give you the cheapest of terrible dogshit they can find tbh

[pseudo merlin]

yeah they just advertise with a flagship gpu

and then sell you a bunch of budget chinese parts

[drifting nova]

eh the parts themselves were mid from what I saw

just really cba building it tbh

like +150 above parts themselves

[pseudo merlin]

you mean screwing together 6 parts

[drifting nova]

yes

[pseudo merlin]

which takes like

an hour