balance

[royal zenith]

[lofty depot]

By nothing much happens, do u mean that the buff doesn't show up....

Or do u just mean like u press button and don't notice it

Me confusion what problem

[ocean atlas]

there is no visual feedback that u are in a damage window, or there no visual feed that u can enter on a damage window,

[lofty depot]

The visual feed back is that the buff is tracked and u see it

There's also a lunar and solar icon to the left and right of ur character for a few seconds

But mine I can see and is tracked fine... Idk

[ocean atlas]

i meaning something like mage have

[lofty depot]

?

[ocean atlas]

whe u go combust on mage u chart set on fire, if u got a proc of pirobalst u got the fire shit on ur screen

[lofty depot]

Combust is CA

[ocean atlas]

eclipse is just a button

but is also a damage window

[lofty depot]

When u CA the moon above ur head aligns

Thats just not the same thing

And again, there's a lunar and solar icon to the right and left of ur character model

There are visual indicators, u just don't notice them

[ocean atlas]

is short cd but dont have visual feedback, for example when u use fury of elune u know there fury of elune hitting cuz u see a beam, but with eclipse...

[lofty depot]

think we're just not listening ig

[eager raft]

I know that this is a complaint a lot of pvp players have. So many specs don’t have good visuals for when they’re in cooldowns to know when you’re in danger

But when you’re playing the spec, it’s not a big deal because you’re getting the buff icons coming up

[pseudo merlin]

max dps is roughly 4x what moonkin can do rn

[placid olive]

Looks CLEAN brother

[eager raft]

Plus, you just pressed the button, you know you’re in CDs

[pseudo merlin]

[lofty depot]

It's gamz profile

[royal zenith]

damn 400% aura buff

[lofty depot]

I'm lazy

[royal zenith]

incoming

[pseudo merlin]

definitely 🙂

[lofty depot]

Also, when u press eclipse in midnight u'll fire some bolts

More visual feedback surely

[ocean atlas]

that would help

[placid olive]

Love me some bolts man

[eager raft]

Do we get more regular talent points as we level

Or only apex talents

[lofty depot]

Well u could use them on regular talents

[eager raft]

I know we get some hero talent points

[lofty depot]

But the point they've said was to make u want to take the apex talents

[ocean atlas]

3 hero points and the apex talents?

[eager raft]

There’s only 4 apex points right? What are we getting the other 6 levels

[lofty depot]

3-3-4

[eager raft]

Ah class tree points

[lofty depot]

3 class, 3 hero, 4 spec

[eager raft]

So useful!

[lofty depot]

Nodders

[eager raft]

Classes with good class trees eating good

Meanwhile we have 3 points to put into shit shit and shit

[ocean atlas]

we dont play around starlord anymore? i notice the stacks resets when u go eclipse

[eager raft]

You still play around it to a degree but it’s very easy

Enter eclipse and ca with enough asp to stack it insta

And forget about it until you enter next eclipse or ca

[lofty depot]

Well u play around it, but u would like see it end outside of eclipse and want to refresh it, because u want to be using asp in eclipse right

[modern mason]

Can you basically take wrath off your bars when you spec into lunar calling??

[lofty depot]

What if u cast wrath outside of eclipse?

[pseudo merlin]

[lofty depot]

[eager raft]

Honestly yeah might as well

[lofty depot]

He's a hunter don't listen to him

What happens when keeper is good and u dont have a wrath bind?

[modern mason]

Is it worth to cast out of eclipse if it makes starfire do 100% more dmg even outisde of eclipse lol

[pseudo merlin]

Replace wrath on your bars with STFL

[ocean atlas]

so if i found myself out of eclipse, low astral power and no starlord stacks, should cast some spender or just fill ap to go eclipse?

[lofty depot]

I'm sure u mean Starfire... But an idea is that u gain more asp from wrath than a slow casting Starfire and want to get back into eclipse with asp cuz both hit like a wet noodle regardless

[eager raft]

You put it on your bars

Crazy concept

[lofty depot]

But again, I don't change button mapping based on hero talents, cuz what if u need that spell

[eager raft]

Also bars change based on talent preset no?

[lofty depot]

Surr... But brain doesnt

[eager raft]

stfl

[pseudo merlin]

just use

/cast [noknown: 5129875] wrath
/cast [known: 5129875] starfire

[eager raft]

stellar flare

[pseudo merlin]

gg

[eager raft]

Starfall?

[harsh herald]

Pretty sure Starlord resets when you enter eclipse right?

[pseudo merlin]

yes stellar flare

you know this

[dire osprey]

changing abils on bars

[lofty depot]

Yes

[dire osprey]

nah fuck that fr

[eager raft]

There’s no way you’re hurting for keybinds in current wow

[pseudo merlin]

using the last letter of a word in its abbreviation is fucked

[lofty depot]

U most likely don't cast spenders outside of eclipse

[eager raft]

To a point you need to unbind wrath

[lofty depot]

But it's a sim question

Would depend how long from eclipse u are

[dire osprey]

yeah dont think so either just the concept in general of switching abils

scares me

[lofty depot]

Hunter player

[pseudo merlin]

It sounds like way more difficult than remembering 1 extra bind too

That's like having 1 button for a pvp ability when your pvp talents contain like 7 active abilities

[eager raft]

What are you gonna do when boomy players swap back to boomy

[lofty depot]

What r u binding to 1 that u weren't binding before if ur needing that 1 bind

[eager raft]

And you go back to a blue log brandon

[lofty depot]

U wont

When was I blue logging

[eager raft]

Dunno but I was a blue avg on boomy this season

[lofty depot]

When I killed rasz once cuz I was in 2 day guild

Type shit

[eager raft]

💀

[dire osprey]

bro i still have my pvp trinket bound

[lofty depot]

But 90+ parsed everything else

[dire osprey]

and i havent pvped in a while

its just an empty bind

but it feels wrong to put anything else t here

[pseudo merlin]

I do too

[dire osprey]

[pseudo merlin]

It's mouse 12

I put undead/human racial there on those races

but otherwise it stays empty

forever

[eager raft]

I was trying to hurt you, the facts don’t matter

[dire osprey]

yea

[lofty depot]

I didn't even blue parse when playing feral

[pseudo merlin]

just like boomie then?

[lofty depot]

Well no, cuz I wasn't amazing at feral lol

[eager raft]

Ye but you were competing with feral players

Who are somehow even worse at feral

[lofty depot]

Also, funny spec was Aug buffed but the uhhh hooks were fucked

And I wasn't getting buffed

[lofty depot]

Well I was competing with boomkins aswell, silly

Boomkin on smoldy was big fun

[pseudo merlin]

[lofty depot]

Double on use, big fun

[eager raft]

I never got a clean kill with OS convoke build

I only played boomy in farted tho

[lofty depot]

Yea by the time I shouldve played that, I didn't swap off of feral

And we didn't play after getting everyone mounts

Quit til like week 2 of TWW

[blissful star]

There's any chance that Eclipse don't trigger gcd?

Feels so underwhelming to play it

[lofty depot]

U likely feel that way cuz on prepatch it doesn't do damage

But no, i don't think it's likely it changes

[normal pilot]

having it off gcd would defeat the entire purpose of it existing

eclipse is intended to further break up monotony of wrath spam

it has to be on the gcd

[lofty depot]

It also needs to be different to ca

[merry ibex]

I am fully aboard the "I hate eclipse and we should just delete it" train

[craggy sonnet]

Feels really bad to press after trees tbh.. not sure if it can't be spell queued or something. Have just been messing with addons

[merry ibex]

figure out some other thing to give us, I havent enjoyed eclipse since its been shackled to me

[lofty depot]

Press it before trees then

[normal pilot]

this is a new system, how can you have been 'shackled' to something new

[merry ibex]

Im talking about eclipse more generally and we've had it in various forms for a long time

duh

jesus yes I was only talking about the thing thats 2 days old

[normal pilot]

but they're all entirely different things

so you just don't like the word?

every iteration was them changing it to something diff they jsut kept the word

[sudden marsh]

Should i even be tracking atmospheric Exposure and Stellar Amplification on enemy nameplates?

[lofty depot]

I havent ever done that no

[craggy sonnet]

Hold up. Why is your eclipse aura duration not shown on the essential cdm bar icon?
Does that not work for eclipse?
Cause I would love to be able to selectively turn that off

[lofty depot]

Cuz that's the button

Not the buff

[craggy sonnet]

That doesn't sound right

[craggy sonnet]

Sure. But FoN and CA do show active aura swipe and duration on these icons

[sudden marsh]

Anyone else having the Problem that the Arcui resource Bar isnt filling/depleting properly?

[normal pilot]

it might be due to the short gcd that makes it feels 'off' when queueing

since the queu window is almost as long as it gcd it self

[lofty depot]

I'm sure it doesn't, but I've been thinkimg about it lol

[craggy sonnet]

Does that make sense? I'm trying to queue it after trees

Not talking about casting after..
Maybe it's just stupid muscle memory trying to press it how I do CA

[lofty depot]

What if u trees after eclipse cuz bolts suck and u can get an extra surge in and that big dam

[craggy sonnet]

Try reloading. It sometimes got stuck, yea. Not sure if it is actually just bricked. There are other proper resource bar add-ons tho

[lofty depot]

Surely

[craggy sonnet]

Sensei and twintop

[sudden marsh]

yea i uninstalled it

[craggy sonnet]

Can even just use EQoL resource bars

[sudden marsh]

anyone know of a resource bar that allows you to make "tick marker" for astral power cost in there?

had it on my WA resource bar loved it

[craggy sonnet]

Maybe, wastes boat stacks tho

[worn lake]

Hey, I'm switching to balance druid for Midnight. Does anyone have a good profile for the new CD manager to assist me while learning the rotation?

[craggy sonnet]

Eqol has fixed tick marks. Twintop has dynamic ones based on talents and such

[lofty depot]

We used to not care that much about that

[sudden marsh]

uh gonna gonna check out twintop

[sudden marsh]

thank you

[lofty depot]

Wowhead

[craggy sonnet]

Eqol being Enhanced QoL

[lofty depot]

There's also some bettercooldownmanager stuff u can do but shrug

[craggy sonnet]

Honestly, highly recommend trying to find your own setup. It is easier than ever really with just throwing around icons in the CDM settings

[lofty depot]

Surely we'll have them linked somewhere soon

[lofty depot]

Incorrect, use a better players UI that put time into it

[worn lake]

ty

[craggy sonnet]

Surely 5mins of time

[lofty depot]

IE sune WA carry me

[craggy sonnet]

WA also way more advanced

There it made sense cause it was hard to setup or modify

This is legit toddler level

[lofty depot]

U have advanced stage autism bud

[craggy sonnet]

@ mods

Clankers have feelings too

[lofty depot]

Sorry tettles is hard at work finding out how to play lock

Play lock for 1 hour and wants to die

[shrewd path]

Did anyone figure out a way to show astral power generated like here in my old UI

[lucid olive]

If you mean an AP bar that predicts the AP from your current cast that's no longer possible

But if it's just an AP bar then there are loads, like Senseis Class Resource Bar, Twintops, Better Cooldown Manager etc..

[shrewd path]

yeah astral power prediction. Unfort, but thanks

[dense steeple]

Arctic send parse

[glad steppe]

Hey whats your opinon on the Boomkin Eclipse changes? I feel a bit wierd that its not greyed out when I am already in a eclipse

[dense steeple]

Its the same problem as before just another button doing

[eager raft]

I agree that it’s weird that it neither greys out or counts down the remaining time on the current eclipse

[dense steeple]

Thats the real sin

Doesnt count down

[eager raft]

As you get more used to new eclipse it’ll feel more natural and you’ll run into less situations where you’re trying to re-press it while still in eclipse

[royal zenith]

ohh things feel more natural over time?

that's crazy respectable

[dense steeple]

I think its disrespectable

[eager raft]

You can’t hurt me

I’m just glad you’re talking to me 🙂

[royal zenith]

the emoji is a sign...

[rose garnet]

i get the feeling its gonna take a while untill things settle down, this exp gonna be a shitshow

[frigid niche]

do we need to press eclipse on cd and do we need to spend all AP before end and build 100% before repress eclipse ?

[lofty depot]

Maybe not on CD, u still want to enter eclipse with a lot of asp

U might spend at the end, don't know yet

[lofty depot]

Why is that

I think u guys are worried about the wrong thing in the rotation

Or rather with eclipse

[rose garnet]

the blizz UI and new addon replacement still need a lot of work and tweeks

[lofty depot]

What's the problem with either

[rose garnet]

just reading people feedback on Lua errors and things not showing up properly even without any adoons installed

[hot hull]

havent done any research at all but how are boomies in beta? st wise

[eager raft]

You want them to list everything wrong with blizzard base ui and the shitty prompt generated addons that people are using to make blizz ui elements usable

[lofty depot]

I think a large amount of those lua errors were from import problems.... Also, just download bug grabber and mute the audio. U'll not notice it

[eager raft]

????

[rose garnet]

but hopefully i'm wrong

[lofty depot]

No I wanted them to list their problems

[lofty depot]

Uh, tbd

Cuz we're kinda stinky

[rose garnet]

my problem is i dont like the base ui and it doesnt have many option to customise

[lofty depot]

My UI looks pretty close to what it was

[eager raft]

Which grok addon are you using

[fast parcel]

I’ve been using nephui and got to something similar to old elvui +cell

[lofty depot]

Addon apocalypse was more like weakaura apocalypse and just having to find new way to make same shit

[rose garnet]

i was using Lucky

[fast parcel]

Nephui and naohwui

[dense steeple]

Dont use neph

[lofty depot]

Nephui is banned

[dense steeple]

Dogshit ai copycat slop

[fast parcel]

Sounds good

[eager raft]

Oh you mean just like the other addons that do the same thing

[lofty depot]

None, I think

[fast parcel]

Will remake it with something else

[lofty depot]

Oh I lied, danders maybe?

[fast parcel]

Quazzi kept fucking up

[eager raft]

Yeah

Same thing

[rose garnet]

but i admit WA needed to go

[lofty depot]

Elv maybe fine

[dense steeple]

Many people are moving to danders but that also under fire as slop

[rose garnet]

do people actually use AI to make UI's?

[eager raft]

To write addons

[lofty depot]

To make addon yes

[eager raft]

Which they then use to make ui

[rose garnet]

oh to write addons

[craggy sonnet]

thats not a solution btw 😂

[lofty depot]

Sure it is

No more window, funny bug go away until the idiot fixes it

UI still work

[craggy sonnet]

ui not always still work

[rose garnet]

why cant you just log in and everything works maybe?

[lofty depot]

I have had 0 errors and 0 crashes

Have u considered not downloading slop

[lofty depot]

I do login and everything work

[dense steeple]

The only errors I have in my ui is plater because I havent deleted it yet

[lofty depot]

I don't notice the non-working things kek

[craggy sonnet]

people use AI in most aspects of coding (since it is rather good at coding). so that alone doesnt make it slop.

[thorny sentinel]

correct me if I'm wrong, but we don't need to cast **eclipse **when casting **Incarnation **? Incarnation triggers eclipse itself right ?

[lofty depot]

Jundies paltynator ezpz

Incarn gives u both eclipses yes

Same as in live

[craggy sonnet]

cool. doesnt mean just ignoring any lua errors is the right approach

[thorny sentinel]

thx ❤️

[lofty depot]

On the contrary, idk how to fix them, so that error is irrelevant to me

[lucid olive]

There are also more API restrictions coming in 12.0.1 so some add-ons will break before launch, stuff like custom icons etc is going to break

[craggy sonnet]

oh?

[eager raft]

Plater itself still works fine, just gotta disable most of the scripts and mods

[dense steeple]

I figured that was the case tbh

[eager raft]

Bugsack will even tell you exactly which mod is causing the error

[craggy sonnet]

do you happen to know where the uidev cord talks about this? (im guessing you got it from there)

[lucid olive]

And if you're smart you write your add-ons on beta and not on live, but most authors aren't smart

[eager raft]

So you can just disable as needed

[lucid olive]

I didn't get it from there

[rose garnet]

you have a link ?

[craggy sonnet]

so any extra icon groups are gonna get shot?

not talking about the arcui stuff where it maintains some cdm functionality

[lucid olive]

Stuff like the custom raid frame buff tracking workarounds some add-ons are doing will break

[craggy sonnet]

oh

[lucid olive]

Well ArcUI very aggressively hooks into the specific CDM icon IDs

[dense steeple]

Too lazy

[craggy sonnet]

i thought you were talking about like trinket and consumable icon groups

but you meant this
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1_3cEQfwTkmhN_TKyLvCdQTBS5TzYi0A-7md94igTt5Y/edit?tab=t.0

?

[lofty depot]

Uhh I can find it

I also changed it cuz he has silly arrows

One sec

[lucid olive]

Yeah for example

[craggy sonnet]

https://wago.io/zaiOOdVa1

[rose garnet]

tyty

[lucid olive]

There is more API restrictions and changes coming with the release patch as well

[craggy sonnet]

yea yea

i know

[lucid olive]

You should log onto beta and recreate your live UI to see if it will break or not

[lofty depot]

have they pushed those changes yet to beta

[rose garnet]

are we now able to track consumables/trink in CMD?

[lucid olive]

Beta should be on 12.0.1 yes

[lofty depot]

in bettercooldownmanager

[craggy sonnet]

didnt hear this specifically getting shot. but i dont care as much anyways .. but hol' up, does that mean mechagnome clean icons are also gone?

[lucid olive]

No clue

[craggy sonnet]

tbf, some addons just need slight api adjustments because they changed stuff

and haven done so cause its diff in prepatch

so them not working rn does not mean they wont coming release

[craggy sonnet]

enhance qol has a very easy tool for that.

if you do not use a cdm addon that already has it built in

[pallid bay]

dont trust gamz..

[pseudo merlin]

dont use nephui

dont trust gamz..

[lunar schooner]

Hello

New membre

my location România

Thank You

[fallow sparrow]

So is it ec or keeper for m+?

[fossil hemlock]

It's one of those 2, yeah

[fallow sparrow]

Which one?

[nimble tangle]

Is BCDM gonna have center alignment soon?

[pseudo merlin]

hopefully

[pseudo merlin]

salutare

[craggy sonnet]

how would we know 😄

[nimble tangle]

Look what BLIZZ has opened from pandora

[pseudo merlin]

isnt pandora a budget jewelry store

like ali babba but only for 16 year old girls

[nimble tangle]

Just like Blizzard

Yes

[royal zenith]

blizzard truely figured out a way to filter out all the people who can't handle change

[pseudo merlin]

true

YOURE GONE SO

[royal zenith]

it's actually great to see

pure content

[nimble tangle]

Sometimes I feel good seeing people suffer

Including me

[lofty depot]

Center align what

[craggy sonnet]

2nd rows

[nimble tangle]

Essential bars

[craggy sonnet]

you silly

[nimble tangle]

Second row yeah

[craggy sonnet]

thats what you get when someone just copy pasta profile

[lofty depot]

I asked objective question and this rat says you silly

[craggy sonnet]

then starts yapping

[lofty depot]

Then words why I ego people

[nimble tangle]

Hello sully

[pseudo merlin]

this

are you stupid or

smh

bottom row you cant do taht with cdm

[craggy sonnet]

damn ABE looking swweeeeeet

[pseudo merlin]

real

[craggy sonnet]

thank me now and later

[pseudo merlin]

look at this poggers ui

[craggy sonnet]

is that the gcd bar?

[craggy sonnet]

in the middle?

[pseudo merlin]

yeah

[craggy sonnet]

working well?

[pseudo merlin]

so like the castbar hides it, but when im not casting i see gcd in the same spot

works well

[lofty depot]

Need to find a new phrase for this acronym hmm

[craggy sonnet]

what cast bar are you using?

[pseudo merlin]

ABE lincoln

this is all im using

[craggy sonnet]

bet

thought you might be interested in twintop cause that was originally a spriest tailored cast bar

[pseudo merlin]

havent heard of it

does it include flay ticks or something

that culd be nice

Ideally my player/target f rames would be kinda elvui style

like that

and chat/dmg meter

dont think i can do that without elvui

[craggy sonnet]

uhh, im an idiot .. meant resource bar

[craggy sonnet]

unhalted can look identical

[pseudo merlin]

ah cool

[craggy sonnet]

unhalted also has cast bars

not sure if they have mind flay tick marks

[surreal sierra]

anyone knows what addon needs for tettles cdm profile in wowhead ?

[craggy sonnet]

all of these setups are just blizz cdm imports

[surreal sierra]

i cant import this in blizzard

something is wrong

[pseudo merlin]

Yeah I can't either

[pseudo merlin]

oh he's got all the classes aio

[craggy sonnet]

hm, dunno maybe the string is wrong

but its supposed to be a default cdm import

[pseudo merlin]

When I tried the import button just remained greyed out

Like the string was incomplete

[rocky crag]

Is it normal to do tank damage on balance rn in prepatch

[pseudo merlin]

yes

[rocky crag]

Assuming yes because I’m a feral main and it’s the same there

Lmao

Great because I’m just learning the balance rework so I can play both in the coming season

[lofty depot]

The cdm r u importing it into the cdm or where

[lofty depot]

U must choose

Also, yea balance not poggers on prepatch

[random night]

Anyone know of a good addon for buff reminders?

[lofty depot]

Like motw or

[pseudo merlin]

buff reminders?

[random night]

I got it, nevermind. There's an addon called "Missing Class Buff" that tracks missing food, flask, etc 🙂

[twin lotus]

even raidbots is mourning the loss of our best spell, stellar flare

[jaunty blaze]

😭🥀

[pseudo merlin]

STFL not found

😭

[lofty depot]

Well raidbots isn't updated so yea

[pseudo merlin]

Someone please find it!

[lofty depot]

It will soon forget about it

[pseudo merlin]

never forget

[lofty depot]

Actually I lied, flare in OS

Nevr5get

[lucid olive]

did you use any custom APL

the class module isn't updated so sims don't work properly anyway, but that error looks like it's running the old "starfire,if=!talent.stellar_flare" precombat line

but Oi shipped a prepatch APL a few days ago with all the removed talents taken out

[loud kettle]

Thats very kind of oi

[lucid olive]

I am pretty sure he had a big smile on his face as he hit ctrl+a and backspace on the APL

@pallid bay confirm

[loud kettle]

I've done absolutely nothing sim wise

[lucid olive]

yeah me neither

[loud kettle]

Haven't even attempted to convince gas to hurry up

[lucid olive]

waiting for the module to be updated before I start doing anything

[loud kettle]

It'll be ready when its ready 🕶️

[lucid olive]

oh i've asked @normal pilot if he can hurry up but he probably won't have time before season 1 launches

just vibing out every guide and dealing with the "omg guide says x but insert liquid player is playing y"

[loud kettle]

yea i dont think i care about feral enough to try it myself

[normal pilot]

hm when's season 1

[pseudo merlin]

march 27

[lofty depot]

P sure it doesn't start that late

[pseudo merlin]

17*

first heroic raids the 17th

m+ is 24

and mythic

Q danny mythic is 31

[twin lotus]

I am fanboying over Oi flaming streamers locking profiles behind addons

such a giga based move

[pseudo merlin]

o i always goated

[twin lotus]

Can i learn how to make an APL without going too deep in simc code?

[normal pilot]

apl's separate from simc code

it's a psuedo language, not like c++

you don't really need to know anything about coding to get started on apl

[twin lotus]

perfect

[lofty depot]

https://github.com/dreamgrove/dreamgrove/tree/master/sims/owl

https://github.com/simulationcraft/simc/wiki/ActionLists

[lucid olive]

https://github.com/simulationcraft/simc/wiki/Action-List-Conditional-Expressions

Here's the wiki

[pallid bay]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/953401850470735883/1378850759155646564/catto.gif

can we get vibecoded simc

[lofty depot]

@nephui please help

[pallid bay]

did my changes not get merged or is that guy using custom apl

[lucid olive]

i tried back in undermine ptr

[twin lotus]

i am not using custom

[lucid olive]

didnt get merged i think

https://github.com/simulationcraft/simc/blob/midnight/ActionPriorityLists/default/druid_balance.simc

[twin lotus]

just tried to run a top gear sim

[lucid olive]

this is still old

[pallid bay]

how do u even find the simcminmax discord

[lucid olive]

maybe live raidbots is running tww APLs still or

[pallid bay]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/4Sf2wxH41yf1c5KZmFpSoM

lying or..

[lucid olive]

smh

[lofty depot]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/1/d/e/2PACX-1vSYuH1Aiq3PD2icjnefyJl1uXrhzXFiJRoU1cdRGouwi027E8u3AGQ6mowXiLQ4qvnDqNcjv4dwwvpW/pubhtml

[drifting nova]

what even is dps now

[pseudo merlin]

nothing

[lucid olive]

DF s1 numbers

[lofty depot]

NYI, smh

[drifting nova]

I cant remember what I had for breakfast

[pseudo merlin]

did you ?

[drifting nova]

...no?

[lucid olive]

think some people heard stat squish and thought SL numbers where we did like 6-7k

[pseudo merlin]

Moonkin is so bad people thought we had a stat squish

[twin lotus]

[lucid olive]

but by this rate we're gonna be back doing millions of dps at last season next expac

[drifting nova]

bad enough the native one is like recount but shitter

we've finally reached 2007

[loud kettle]

Yea, details skin is literally magnitudes better

[pseudo merlin]

how do we even prevent that

like how do we start with vanilla numbers

and end with vanilla numbers

[loud kettle]

reduce scaling

[pseudo merlin]

just not have +40 item levels per tier or

[drifting nova]

recount, skada, details

its like beta recount level

[pseudo merlin]

so just reduce scaling????

[loud kettle]

yes

[pseudo merlin]

like what are the downsides

why arent they doing it

[loud kettle]

Also we arent starting in vanilla numbers

[lucid olive]

more fun seeing big numby

[pseudo merlin]

moonkin is

[drifting nova]

it's like wrath numbers

[loud kettle]

We will have a few hundred thousand hp

[pallid bay]

just squish every expansion

[loud kettle]

S1

[pseudo merlin]

everyone I know thinks vanilla numbers better

once you start going past 10k its like all a blur

[lucid olive]

I got 500m crit on Big Momma on season 3 PTR when the dryad tier set was broken

i'm happy

they can do whatever now

[drifting nova]

I literally use the classic numbers addon thats how much better the visual numbers are

[loud kettle]

Less difference between ilvl so gear upgrades arent as relevant/notable

[pseudo merlin]

i guess

[drifting nova]

imagine having the blueprint for every broken addon and still failing

maybe the console release will be worth, maybe not

[nimble tangle]

So ABE could be better now?

Time to tweak CDM again

Look what BLIZZ did to us

[lofty depot]

The fuck is abe

[nimble tangle]

安倍

Abraham

Association of Biochemistry Educators

[drifting nova]

shinzo

and its abe not abe

[rocky crag]

I feel like I’m a better Druid player if I know both

I’ll just play whatever is tuned better on certain fights etc

u don’t gotta choose!!

[pseudo merlin]

my mind automatically read it the way you intended to write it even if you didn't use any accents to provide clarity

anyway we trolled arctic enough today @lofty depot

it's just another BCDM

even though it's called actionbars

[lofty depot]

Smh

Can't use it cuz the author doesn't know what an actionbar is

[pseudo merlin]

????

[craggy sonnet]

It was an action bar addon before and still is

[nova ocean]

Any moonkins streaming raid testing

[lucid olive]

https://www.twitch.tv/prupple

one of my guildies is

[nova ocean]

Ty

[lucid olive]

he's a healer main so don't ask him moonkin questions

[nova ocean]

Lol

[pseudo merlin]

I wanted to raid test but nobody would take a boomie

Which is good prep for S1

[lucid olive]

i was gonna raid test but had some schoolwork to catch up on so i unsigned

[pseudo merlin]

you done with school soon so you can focus on wow fulltime?

[lucid olive]

well after i'm done with school i'll probably go to study further

or find a job idk

can't be scandi welfare brat forever

[pseudo merlin]

you can

yall have plenty of oil

[normal pilot]

you just need to hang until AI replaces your field

[lucid olive]

but i'm taking history, social studies and math right now until the summer, and then a full year of norwegian before i'm done

but taking only 1 class is easy

[pseudo merlin]

NORWEGIAN?

[gray pelican]

Yo can someone give me a tldr on how Boomie feels to play

[pseudo merlin]

Good

what on earth is you going to do with norwegian

[lucid olive]

yeah you know like how brits still take english class

[pseudo merlin]

you already speak it since birth

ye that's equally crazy

[lucid olive]

its the next 4-5 months thats stressful with 3 classes + dreamgrove guide + method guide + wowhead guide + helping tettles write video scripts + season 1 prog with 3 characters for splits

[pseudo merlin]

IT sounds to me like tettles is going to have to start pulling his weight around here...

[sudden pawn]

@lucid olive neph ui dead now…

Huge post about it..

[normal pilot]

did tettles kill it

[sudden pawn]

Yes..

[pseudo merlin]

ye isnt the guy a cheating stealing backstabbing loser

idk if true

sounds true

[normal pilot]

why so harsh

[lucid olive]

https://x.com/nephuhlim/status/2013689169109737804

Neph (@nephuhlim)

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X · Jan 20, 2026, 7:04 PM

[pseudo merlin]

cuz of the stealing and backstabbing

afaik he never wrote shit, just stole code and did some el cheapo AI edit and then called it his own and shittalked the actual writers?

[pseudo merlin]

oh i dont have twitter

[lucid olive]

can't find anything

[royal zenith]

spill the beans

we need content

Froyo!!

[sudden pawn]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/650595324498542613/1464363463957549249/image.png?ex=69753240&is=6973e0c0&hm=893c85d58a8886079eca23c7cd3f220242bc263b923ad69f73d0bac3bd492d6c&

[pseudo merlin]

[royal zenith]

Ah, the classic victim card

big

[pseudo merlin]

I mean he lost me at shittalking the people he stole from

[lucid olive]

bullied him into submission

[normal pilot]

wait is grok a person or does he mean the ai

[lucid olive]

@tired granite reigns victorious

[pseudo merlin]

he means the ai

100%

[sudden pawn]

He means the ai but it’s a joke

But also maybe not

[pseudo merlin]

Maybe grok is a real person, imagine that

[loud kettle]

Bro imagine ur name is grok and ur like 12 rn

god that must suck

[pseudo merlin]

Elon just has a whole basement full of people pretending to be grok

[royal zenith]

poor grok

[sudden marsh]

am i just bad/uninformed or does balance just deal very little damage currently? 😄

[pseudo merlin]

yes its over

and dead

[sudden marsh]

in dungeons

[normal pilot]

idk could be someones discord name i'm so out of the loop with latest wow

[royal zenith]

grok's dad has to be brock lesnar

else it's not fun

[pseudo merlin]

wait

isnt that the poland guy

[tired granite]

dude i think he's missing why people think its bad that its vibecoded

its that its dogshit buggy code

[royal zenith]

is guilty the culprit??

the one who slandered..

[tired granite]

he is for sure mad at me

he was posting in his discord about me

[pseudo merlin]

LOL

why

[loud kettle]

I will use whatever addons work

[lucid olive]

and people could have accepted the buggy code if he also wasn't being an idiot online

[sudden pawn]

The cat man said mean words

gg

[pseudo merlin]

exactly

[tired granite]

he posted some snarky comment about how elvui was malware

so i called him dumb

[pseudo merlin]

[tired granite]

and said his vibe coded addon was full of bugs

what really made me laugh

[pseudo merlin]

textbook narcicism

[lucid olive]

https://gyazo.com/13b470d79d048530dd6a9e34e669affc still my favorite video from 2025 btw..

[tired granite]

this was particularly funny

[sudden pawn]

Ok back to way of kings ping me when moonkin is alive or if more memes happen

[tired granite]

after it came out that he just straight ripped dander's party frames

[pseudo merlin]

LMAO WHAT

[tired granite]

which book u in

[sudden pawn]

Way of kings, first one; at part 2 right now with adolin and dalinar

[tired granite]

first read?

[sudden pawn]

Read everything else in the cosmere

Yes

[tired granite]

oh interesting

it's so funny now seeing the pathk speople are taking through cosmere

in terms of reading order

[lofty depot]

U also sent a video of his icons moving up to infinity

That was a good one

[tired granite]

yeah gamz linked it above

[lofty depot]

Yea this

Big funny

[tired granite]

i had another funny one

[lofty depot]

Feral wowhead dude

[tired granite]

https://gyazo.com/ae00fd8bdc212ef8adf127a0ba4b2d6f

look at the combo point ticks

how does this even happen????

[sudden pawn]

I did
Mistborn era 1
Arcanium
Mistborn era 2
Arcanium
Elantris
War breaker
Yumi, tress, sunlit man, emberdark
Way of kings now

[lofty depot]

LOL wtf

[lucid olive]

[tired granite]

i can't even begin to imagine

how this happens

[sudden pawn]

Whenever the chapter is about kaladin I just get a box of tissues

I want to hug him

[lofty depot]

Thats like when people made their "upgraded versions of the volume slider"

[pseudo merlin]

these combo points are vibing

https://tenor.com/view/mood-dance-russiankiddance-club-dancevibe-gif-21421102

[lofty depot]

A not boomkin main is blasting on st

Are we good?

WW need nerf clearly

[tired granite]

it gets worse

[sudden pawn]

…

Dude

[brave gulch]

hello chat

[lucid olive]

hello phased

[royal zenith]

uh oh

[brave gulch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1190147289168232459/1451050838020853834/singlebungle1472-20251217-190731-000.gif

[tired granite]

me putting u in a headlock and squeezing

[brave gulch]

[ionic pagoda]

Is there a way getting eclipse like this now in midnight? https://wago.io/T6s27CUPI

[drifting nova]

https://tenor.com/view/drama-gif-22797134

[craggy sonnet]

Just the timer thing, probably?
Since you can just skin the buff bars I imagine.. but haven't seen anything like it specifically

[ionic pagoda]

It sucks, i had a hard time seeing what eclipse im in and how far its in

[keen kite]

i think it'd be nice if they scrapped the eclipse button all together and made incarn an x% damage increase personally...

[ionic pagoda]

It sucks now imo, ill just abandon balance until its different again

[drifting nova]

..here me out

make it a proc

[ionic pagoda]

I cant track it good enough either anymore

[drifting nova]

you arent meant to track things

stop tracking things

[normal pilot]

why would you need to track which one it is, it's not like you're going to mix them

it's just a cd you press like treants/ca

[ionic pagoda]

I wanna know how many seconds i have left so i dont cast a 1.7 second cast when its 1 sec left for example

[normal pilot]

who cares that' doesn't matter

[ionic pagoda]

or get a starsurge or something else off before

[normal pilot]

you're not meant to have full uptime

[drifting nova]

you already dont have full uptime

??

[normal pilot]

it doesn't matter if a cast spell lands outside eclipse or not

[drifting nova]

blizzard made information their enemy

[normal pilot]

eclipse is a cd, there's nothing you can mess up to increase the downtime other than overlap

[drifting nova]

wouldnt it be nice to know when it ends

[normal pilot]

sure but there's nothing special about it vs any other cd

[ionic pagoda]

I would love the left and right indicators atleast, not just first 2-3 seconds

[drifting nova]

eclipse going from 6s to 15s by virtue of slowing it down doesnt make it any less worthwhile to track it just because it has no impact

[normal pilot]

you'd need an addon for that, but seems unlikely anyone would be motivated to make an addon specifically for a single buff on a single spec

[keen kite]

someone put a way to sorta do what you're wanting with Tracked buffs

[normal pilot]

you might just have to learn lua yourself

ya if you're ok with jsut generic bar/stuff maybe there's something

but customized look like that WA idk

[ionic pagoda]

Idk, i just feel its not fun to play the spec anymore somehow, and the free to cast starfall / starsurge while AoE / ST is a bit weird imo aswell xD

[loud kettle]

is it

[exotic perch]

now feral is awful to play

[normal pilot]

if you just don't vibe with it no need to stick with it try other specs. every spec got gutted in some way so just up to finding something that annoys you the least

[ionic pagoda]

Maybe everyone likes the new changes, and maybe im being too autistic about it idk, i just felt its not the same at all :C

[drifting nova]

the game got gutted

to satiate blizzards ego

[craggy sonnet]

You can create custom buff duration bars with Arc UI if you are for some reason not satisfied with the default cdm buff bars

[exotic perch]

turns out its really hard to hire more devs

[craggy sonnet]

Hate stuff that switches up my rotation for a change

[exotic perch]

cause that would mean big bosses get less money

[ionic pagoda]

But i cant get like the animated stuff that blizzard using myself right? for example the arcane missile looks or something like that? I hope u get what i mean

[drifting nova]

on blizzards salary it sure as shit is

[keen kite]

that's what AI's for apparently...

[drifting nova]

most people wouldve accepted a somewheat reasonable timeline for things like this

perhaps..over an expansion

[craggy sonnet]

I do. But that is just visual fluff.
I'm sure you could technically attach such a texture to the "bar" but not sure a template or addon for that exists rn

[pseudo merlin]

When is feral getting back BRS

was there a blue post yet?

[ionic pagoda]

Ahh sad 🙁

[drifting nova]

now that I think about it, it'd be the runescape equivalent of gutting runelite

[royal zenith]

finally no more clown & circus UI's...

[drifting nova]

and forcing people to the base client

[royal zenith]

"forcing"

[drifting nova]

you heard me

you modless skyrim player

[royal zenith]

it's out of the ordinary you're allowed to use addons to this extend

[exotic perch]

yea it just would have been better implemented if more was actually pushed to default

[drifting nova]

you enjoyed that didnt you

[royal zenith]

you're a spoiled lil brat kekkers

that's what you are

[pseudo merlin]

I bet Deux plays skyrim without mods and only does the main story

[exotic perch]

they ripped the bandaid then did nothing afterwards lol

[lofty depot]

weaver has been a thing forever, we just never played it cuz it was worse than rattle. You dont have to play weaver

[royal zenith]

there's a difference in mods

and addons

[drifting nova]

blizzard didnt want to slowly improve the base game (like they did in df)

[royal zenith]

also private servers exist so

[pseudo merlin]

I bet you always only play the good guy archetype in skyrim too

[royal zenith]

grow up!!

[pseudo merlin]

You probably report thieves to the guards

[royal zenith]

wait you can do that?

[ionic pagoda]

Now im confused, what do u mean? xD

[pseudo merlin]

I bet you can!

[lofty depot]

ur talking about surging / starfalling in aoe / st

nothing makes u mix them other than cosmos and weaver

[drifting nova]

turns out the game takes a massive nosedive if the lens changes drastically for the worse

[lofty depot]

and weaver is the only one where u would say starfalling in st is necessary

rattle is dogshit boring

[ionic pagoda]

But i guess rattle is worse in terms of DPS now?

[lofty depot]

no one knows if thats true

but also, if u dont like weaver u dont have to play it

[royal zenith]

You will have to deal with at least 4 weeks of feelycrafting

[ionic pagoda]

Idk, i just used the talents from wowhead

[lofty depot]

its likely marginally different

[lofty depot]

well yea, but any guide is guessing

we dont have sims

[pseudo merlin]

is this the real one?

@urban hare

[lofty depot]

but what if weaver was 4% better than rattle

[drifting nova]

I always wished weaver was better on aoe

[lofty depot]

but u didnt like weaver

[drifting nova]

at the cost of it being balls st

[lofty depot]

r u gonn play weaver and not like it?

[drifting nova]

if it does damage, yes

[lofty depot]

w kekkers moment

[drifting nova]

hell I played weaver all of nerubar

even though it was worse

[exotic perch]

weaver vs rattle shouldnt be a choice

[drifting nova]

and did NOTHING on st

[exotic perch]

it should just be weaver

[ionic pagoda]

Just the fact i cant see eclipse left and right, , and its a button its just weird idk, im just sad i guess 🙁

[drifting nova]

weaver should be the default aoe

[normal pilot]

it's a new xpac, long ass prepatch, you really shouldn't feel the need to try to make yourself like a spec. if balance isn't fun for you try something else

[drifting nova]

"that's not what we allow you to think" - blizzard

[lofty depot]

u can do left right things

its just an addon and move them around

[ionic pagoda]

which addon?

[keen kite]

that's with the blizz CDM

[potent cargo]

has there been a patch to the dogshit sorting on cooldown manager yet

[pseudo merlin]

no

[potent cargo]

[ionic pagoda]

for me after like 2-3 seconds the sun and moon thing dissappear even if im still in eclipse

[lofty depot]

its always done that

[ionic pagoda]

yea, thats why i had that WA :/

[ripe magnet]

Can starlord be tracked in CDM? cant find it anywhere

[drifting nova]

not everythign can be tracked, no

but that sadly is

as a horrid bar

duration, not stacks, naturally

[lofty depot]

i have mine with the bettercooldownmanager

theb uffs up here

u could move them to far left and far right

and then u would see them

u can also do it in a custom frame

[urban hare]

It's me!

[lofty depot]

these are custom

[urban hare]

Look at my beautiful hair flower

[ionic pagoda]

Ahh, im using Centered addon for the CM , and luxthos profiles for them :/

[pseudo merlin]

I saw ^^

[royal zenith]

Do /pat

[lucid olive]

its glorious

[royal zenith]

cause it's a druid..

[pseudo merlin]

why do I listen to you

[lofty depot]

rekt

[royal zenith]

LOL

[lofty depot]

so u just gotta change it, ezpz

[craggy sonnet]

It does show stacks on the icon of the bar and you can move it to being in the buff icon group instead. So stop yapping

[lofty depot]

download the right addon the first time

[royal zenith]

good thing that's easy with the buckets of shit addons

hopefully 80% are gone in 2 weeks time

[lofty depot]

all the addons are seperate now, so yea just delete the shitty one

[craggy sonnet]

Can you? Don't think you can drag buffs into a custom group with bcdm

[drifting nova]

gonna make me login to post your lies

[lofty depot]

i just meant for the shit gamz has over there

which is why i showed it

[drifting nova]

oh so it does

still 40x longer than it should be

[craggy sonnet]

Crazy, huh?

[ripe magnet]

where do i enable/find this

[craggy sonnet]

Can probably downsize in edit mode

[drifting nova]

still cant get rid of the bar thats 19feet wide

[ripe magnet]

only place i can see it is buffs top right

[drifting nova]

[lofty depot]

find what

[ripe magnet]

starlord tracker

[lofty depot]

ur cdm

[craggy sonnet]

Open the cooldown manager and drag it from the group it is in to where you want it to be

[lofty depot]

then click the buffs tab

some people said they were using luxthos profile and starlord is just not in it

idk why or what went wrong... try copying his profile again if u have his profile from a few days ago

was some funny compression shit

also, use a better profile >

[ripe magnet]

any suggestion on better profile?

[lofty depot]

gamz's on wowhead

also that was just a troll, it should really matter

[ripe magnet]

😄

[lofty depot]

there arent that many complex things u cna do anymore

[ripe magnet]

well luxthos is nice but no starlord is meh

[lofty depot]

gamz has it

but u need bcdm probably maybe

[craggy sonnet]

You dont

Why would you need it

[lofty depot]

IDONTKNOW RAT

STOP @ ING ME

[craggy sonnet]

Exactly!!

[craggy sonnet]

NO

[lofty depot]

THATS WHY IT SAYS PROBABLY MAYBE

[pseudo merlin]

cuz arctic always speaks before he thinks

[lofty depot]

noooooooooooo

idk what connects and fucks

[pseudo merlin]

[ripe magnet]

ty

[craggy sonnet]

Then why start typing

[pseudo merlin]

I always ask myself that question

[lofty depot]

i will fuck u up bud

[royal zenith]

Push him further..

:)

[craggy sonnet]

Hahahaha

[plush lintel]

Hey guys! what the fuck happened with the balance spec? it gonna be so terrible.... any chance that it gonna be better ?

[lofty depot]

what part is terrible

[royal zenith]

there's always a chance

[potent cargo]

guys it got terrible

implying it was good before

[lofty depot]

IT WAS

[royal zenith]

balance officially has been

[plush lintel]

That's eclipse gonna be a spell?!?! wtf?

[royal zenith]

[lofty depot]

... because casting 2 starfires was so cool

[potent cargo]

Yeah like what lol

this is 100x better

than having to manually force eclipse

[lofty depot]

im with deux

people complaining hate change

[potent cargo]

trying to get into eclipse to dump surges while on movement and casting two slow starfires

[quiet drift]

+1

[potent cargo]

vs pressing single button gg

[plush lintel]

yeah but now with zero addon i need to check and zoom my buffs to check how much time i left it on the uptime, becouse the tracker still dont work D:

[lofty depot]

cant comprehend something getting better (granted i dont like eclipse... its objectively better than it was)

[plush lintel]

m+ dps is 0

[potent cargo]

ok so is that an issue with boomy or an issue with the game lol

[normal pilot]

why do you care about uptime

[lofty depot]

u had to do that before?

[normal pilot]

it's a CD

[drifting nova]

change for the sake of change isnt always good

[lofty depot]

eclipse doesnt track like that without addons

so that problem was already a problem

if ur no addoning ur not doing anything in which u would care about it anyway

[potent cargo]

saying m+ dps is low is irrelevant, its prepatch, there's no tuning

plenty of shit is bad

[drifting nova]

all of it

is

[lofty depot]

and hte buffs tracker works

maybe set up the buffs

[drifting nova]

the what now

[potent cargo]

the hwhat?

[lofty depot]

very poggers tech

[drifting nova]

your legs work

but using a car to go the shop

is nicer

[craggy sonnet]

Which buff

[lofty depot]

Well he was talking about eclipse

Do u think before u type

bishhh

[craggy sonnet]

Well, trying to call em out

But you can't stop yapping

[royal zenith]

the reasoning people have for disliking new eclipse is kinda interesting ngl

[loud kettle]

hm

[normal pilot]

it's pretty understandable, blizz changed fundamentally how it works but kept all the user-facing things identical

[drifting nova]

the reason people dislike it

is more interesting than the spell itself

[royal zenith]

yeah this

[normal pilot]

it's just a recipe for confusion cuz they didn't consider how the user experiencem ight be

[drifting nova]

its a slowed down pre eclipse

[plush lintel]

the eclipse phase , if i turn it on on buff. it shows but not counting. if i put it to tracked bar, not shows

[drifting nova]

it not having 100% uptime was just as true before

[lofty depot]

Yours doesn't count down?

[drifting nova]

it's made worse by the addon changes

[craggy sonnet]

Show

[lofty depot]

Is it checked in the setting

[craggy sonnet]

But default blizz CDM works

[lofty depot]

Maybe bad profile

Tragic really

[craggy sonnet]

Unless you bricked your profile somehow

[drifting nova]

I really cannot wait for cdm related bugs to not be fixed for..weeks, months

[plush lintel]

i try one more thing, do a repair now

[lofty depot]

Well I would say re import the profile

[royal zenith]

I wonder if every class discord has turned in basic tech support for UI

havent checked

I'd assume so

[lofty depot]

New channel idea?

[royal zenith]

⛔

[lofty depot]

Lock it in

[craggy sonnet]

Can just reset your cdm/edit mode profile probably

[plush lintel]

if this not work i try that out

[pseudo merlin]

my CDM icons are just constantly shuffling around

[lofty depot]

I mean, I don't think that's the problem, but go for it

[pseudo merlin]

like it doesnt give a fuck what order I put them in

[lofty depot]

Take center alignment off?

Silly

[loud kettle]

same issue different spell

[plush lintel]

will try that also

[lofty depot]

Yea figured

[pseudo merlin]

???????

why

[lofty depot]

Cuz it centers the icons to the center of the bar

[pseudo merlin]

Wait you dont even know what addon im using

[lofty depot]

Well I wasn't talking about the name of the addon

[pseudo merlin]

No I mean like it literally shuffles the icons around here:

that's unrelated to icon centering?

[craggy sonnet]

It's not actually

[pseudo merlin]

like

it keeps putting feather at 1

its normalmly at 7

???

[craggy sonnet]

The centering puts icon 1 center then 2 right 3 left etc

Hm

Ok

[pseudo merlin]

yeah but its swapping icons around there

it doesnt matter what centering does, if you set it up once its supposed to stay no?

like it shouldnt be shuffling after

(?)

[lofty depot]

Mine didn't when I had it

I reloaded game and they moved

And I tilted

Cuz I prefer my icons being in set locations

[craggy sonnet]

Idk, if you made it so it hides inactive ones and have grow from center then it is always gonna get shuffled

Or what's the setup

[pseudo merlin]

I havent done any special settings

just reorder and hire ABE

now I remember why I was using default ui before

this is exhausting

[craggy sonnet]

Are they perma displayed or hidden when inactive

[pseudo merlin]

oh not displayed when greyed out in cdm menu

but that should change position on the ui maybe