yea gj on him wearing a real one
#balance
pseudo merlin
there isnt one
lofty depot
the fall back is falling on the evoker pipeline
drifting nova
quit while you're ahead
real flax
how good are the buffs?
lofty depot
if you gave a 12 year old a new bat, new gloves, some new cleats but told him to go hit off of shohei
native egret
better raid or this will happen to you again
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craggy sonnet
You can actually use Arc UI to create bars for buffs or cooldowns / stacks.
Only requirement for buffs is to have it tracked in the default cdm buff section but you can then hide the icon/bar in the default cdm through ArcUI
merry ibex
You can actually use Arc UI to create bars for buffs or cooldowns / stacks.
Only...
Good to know
I've used arc a little but it wasn't working very well
Was having some bugs so I tried some other mods
craggy sonnet
I've used arc a little but it wasn't working very well
yea, you can fully disable the arc icons modding
and use the bars as a standalone module
merry ibex
yea, you can fully disable the arc icons modding
The one thing I haven't been able to figure out is how to get an addon to track my dots
In the way I want
I like having vertical color bars that empty downward as the dot runs out of duration
dry heron
I've tried messing with arc a bit, but so far the most success I've had is with TMW that Luna posted earlier
It doesn't work for anything dynamic, and I need to play with it more, but I think it would more or less work with any static timer
merry ibex
Yes it doesn't work dynamically because it isn't tracking anything as the timer runs
Its just starting a timer in bar form when a spell is cast
Thats the only tracking that's happening so the timer isn't "smart"
dry heron
Yeah, so its def not an all in one solution, but today I think I tried all the big ones people are talking about, arc, nelph, bcm, tweaksUI, and none of them seemed to be able to do what TMW does
craggy sonnet
I like having vertical color bars that empty downward as the dot runs out of dur...
should be possible with arc
craggy sonnet
so just disable the CDM Styling in Arcs first tab, then go into the Bars tab .. set up stuff there
put whatever you wanna track in the default CDM Buff Bars section
then arc can pick it up
north mulch
Was playing around, are we just doing very little damage right now?
lofty depot
yes
drifting nova
the live patch is an old beta version
pseudo merlin
oh idc about live
drifting nova
neither does blizzard
dw they'l fix the lua errors by tomorrow
...next week
knew the downfall of this plan would always be blizzards snail pace at actually fixing things that need fixing
pseudo merlin
did you raid prep karazhan?
idle mural
How did the recent tuning changes impact boomkin?
pseudo merlin
changed us from absolute shite to just shit
spring lodge
is there an addon that tells you when you arent in boomy form? like the WA use to do?
spring lodge
yea i know its not needed. but i like it
vivid abyss
replace every button on your human form with moonkin
waxen adder
I maybe in the minority but I like boomkin because of the simplicity. If the spec became harder (objectively) and is shit what makes me stay? Haha - answer: I like pain
lofty depot
yea i know its not needed. but i like it
but it on ur buff bar
oor use bettercooldownmanager and track it on a different bar
pseudo merlin
here's a good tip
use moonkin form not glyph of losers
You'll be able to tell instantly that way
carmine badge
We are back to haste + mastery, right?
lofty depot
sure
round plover
I maybe in the minority but I like boomkin because of the simplicity. If the spe...
Same
merry egret
Is there any reason to mix Wrath and Starfire now? Like will I always cast Wrath in ST and Starfire in AoE (unless I'm playing Elunes Chosen)?
normal pilot
trail oyster
we suck on live right team?
lofty depot
Is there any reason to mix Wrath and Starfire now? Like will I always cast Wrath...
u might cast wrath up to a certain target point
these are questions that will be answered when sims are available
heavy apex
Kind of sucks losing passive solstices tbh
lofty depot
what
lofty depot
i dont think solstice is the word ur looking for
heavy apex
Probably not but idk
lofty depot
and hitting a button to go into ECLIPSE
echo gazelle
Pressing eclipse feels weird when CA exists, but otherwise I’m enjoying balance in prepatch quite a bit
heavy apex
Thanks
lofty depot
is what u were doing before
u pressed starfire to go into eclipse
whats the difference
its 1 less press even
on a shorter gcd
heavy apex
Yes but having to stop casting to hit it, feels wierd as
echo gazelle
I want fewer buttons not more
lofty depot
is it because it doesnt do damage currently or
echo gazelle
Should be no gcd
lofty depot
then there would be less difference to ca
echo gazelle
Combine em
lofty depot
how about remove 1
echo gazelle
They’re too similar
lofty depot
or both
echo gazelle
Like tigers fury does a thing on feral
nova ocean
There's really no reason for eclipse and ca to both exist at the same time yes
echo gazelle
Eclipse feels kinda lazy
nova ocean
They even both can have two charges now
heavy apex
Hard to break the habit of precasting before boss pulls. Doesn’t feel right just dotting and hitting eclipse 😂
echo gazelle
We have like 2 juiced and 2 normal eclipses
lofty depot
im glad people are saying this after a full expansion of people saying eclipse is lazy
feel free to tell them on the forums u flucks
echo gazelle
And also a passive 20% chance to go CA on eclipse
heavy apex
No one with any sense would complain about the old system tbh
lofty depot
Hard to break the habit of precasting before boss pulls. Doesn’t feel right just...
u are still going to precast on boss pulls
heavy apex
u are still going to precast on boss pulls
For what reason?
lofty depot
free damage?
echo gazelle
That said I’m still enjoying balance 😛
lofty depot
we didnt precast to go into eclipse before boss
merry egret
Hard to break the habit of precasting before boss pulls. Doesn’t feel right just...
You should still precast. That's one Wrath you wouldn't otherwise have!
heavy apex
Hmm
junior parcel
It sounds irrelevant but it adds up
lofty depot
if ur using ur cds on pull, the reason u precasted waasnt cuz u wanted to go into eclipse before ca
its cuz its free damage
echo gazelle
I love orbit breaker and I don’t care what society thinks
heavy apex
So the whole 2x precast prepull was not aimed to go into an eclipse, whoops
lofty depot
well it was 3x
but no
it feels like 4x wrath might be the thing
cuz starfire beans, but idk
echo gazelle
I prefer the active button to the two spell setup, but it feels like they could have just reworked CA
meager veldt
is ther ea fix for the cancel arua for starlord?
echo gazelle
Even the skill names are almost synonyms
heavy apex
The two spell setup just felt natural to me I guess. But change is change so we just cope and move on
echo gazelle
An eclipse is a celestial alignment. Got that third wheel planet blocking the view
lofty depot
is ther ea fix for the cancel arua for starlord?
what do u mean a fix
u cant cancel it anymore
heavy apex
That is a nice change tbh
lofty depot
i wouldve liked it
umm but sarrath, did u kill dimmy
(this isnt a roast im objectively gonna go through why old eclipse is just worse than new)
echo gazelle
You convinced me, it’s better now, just needs a lil more consolidation
heavy apex
I did. I just got used to it so it felt more natural to play
lofty depot
well itll feel better in midnight when it deos damage
lofty depot
I did. I just got used to it so it felt more natural to play
ok, so if u did excess mass
ther was mutliple timings where u couldnt get into eclipse before doing so
so ur running around dot spamming and not in eclipse
imagine at anytime that eclipse was instant instead
echo gazelle
I want a full moon tier set. FoE has had it too good for too long
lofty depot
how much easier that dogshit wouldve been
heavy apex
Tbh once I figure out how to make blizzard’s default ui do what I want it to it may feel less ass to play
echo gazelle
I’m the only person that likes the default UI. Where’s my Nobel peace prize
heavy apex
Got used to weakauras and uis showing me exactly when I was coming out of eclipse now im watching the stupid buffs
😂
echo gazelle
I never got into the game spoon feeding me so I was prepared for the transition :3
heavy apex
I hate the lack customization in base ui
lofty depot
Tbh once I figure out how to make blizzard’s default ui do what I want it to it ...
what are u trying to do
gamz made my ui basically how it was before
nimble tangle
What Blizz really needs to change is MOONFIRE NUMBERS TO ALL LIKE SUNFIRE
lofty depot
Oi weakaura basically same same
nimble tangle
pre dot sucks ASS
craggy sonnet
Oi weakaura basically same same
yeah calm down there, lad
heavy apex
gamz made my ui basically how it was before
I want dot timers to show up on the action bars like they did with elvui and i want the current eclipse im on to show up on top of either wrath or starfire like it did before
Defaults not doing that
Not sure how to either
echo gazelle
But the dot timers do show up on base ui. Nice and clear for a change
echo gazelle
That’s valid, I hope you find your happy place. I love it, though
lofty depot
I want dot timers to show up on the action bars like they did with elvui and i w...
dot timers on actionbars?
heavy apex
Thats honestly my only major gripe
heavy apex
dot timers on actionbars?
Yes
craggy sonnet
you get dot timers with the cooldown manager
lofty depot
have u considered turning on cooldown manager?
why are u tracking wrath or starfire?
heavy apex
Like when id target something my moonfire/sunfire would show on top of the actionbar button
lofty depot
just track the eclipse buff?
heavy apex
have u considered turning on cooldown manager?
I have it on
craggy sonnet
if you have it on
lofty depot
Like when id target something my moonfire/sunfire would show on top of the actio...
why r u looking at ur actionbar
and not ur weakauras or ur feet
craggy sonnet
put sunfire / moonfire in there
lofty depot
show ur ui
craggy sonnet
and its gonna track
heavy apex
and its gonna track
For each individual target?
lofty depot
can u show me what ur talking about before prepatch
craggy sonnet
For each individual target?
for your current target
but yeah, no clue what you are actually looking for
heavy apex
an old ss but one that shows kind of what im looking for
lucid olive
action bar for ants
heavy apex
and then when id be biased to one phase or another
lofty depot
- thats just the dot timer.... thats on your cdm
lucid olive
bro i think he means the spell overlay on starfire/wrath from being in eclipse
heavy apex
HOW DO U NOTICE IT
idk I dont have any trouble seeing it
lofty depot
well also called eclipse solstice earlier
lucid olive
but also just track your current Eclipse as a bar or icon in the cooldown manager
lofty depot
and i figured was wrong cuz no one knows what solstice is
lucid olive
I guarantee you will play better if you stop looking down at your cluttered action bars during combat
heavy apex
sigh, being up for 20 hours lends you to certain typos
drifting nova
I guarantee you will play better if you stop looking down at your cluttered acti...
but then how would I know how long eclipse lasts for
lucid olive
by tracking the buff icon in your cooldown manager 🙂
heavy apex
lmao
manic plume
Does the plater blacklist for debuffs no longer work? I dont need to see 4 tree icons when my babies taunt 😠
lucid olive
can't blacklist or whitelist any buffs anymore
glossy jungle
they broke my timewalking gear
bug abuser 
manic plume
yipeee
lofty depot
why are ur trees taunting 👀
echo gazelle
Buff discrimination
glossy jungle
Does the plater blacklist for debuffs no longer work? I dont need to see 4 tree ...
Check if platynator shows the debuffs. It uses blizzard native blacklist, which plater hasn't implemented yet
manic plume
why are ur trees taunting 👀
sometimes a homie wants to delve
echo gazelle
Let him cook. Trees do the heavy lifting there
echo gazelle
And wait for like 2-3 business days? 😮
manic plume
No I need trees because they look cool
manic plume
Check if platynator shows the debuffs. It uses blizzard native blacklist, which ...
See you're a genius because this worked
Sending you some nuggies ❤️ ty
glossy jungle
my tomato raid leader asked about it last night. I had no idea about it before.
Plater said they will implement it like platynator if there isnt anything else that blizzard provides before midnight release
echo gazelle
Soylent nuggies are made from moonkin…
drifting nova
dense steeple
Aint no way a feral gonna come in here crackin jokes
drifting nova
the frvr reddit post has enough jokes, going through them now
late sapphire
are we able to recolour nameplates in midnight depending if they have dots on them or not, havnt kept up to date with all the addon stuff
cursive mirage
would be nice huh
lofty depot
would be nice huh
weak mind
cursive mirage
fair bloom
Moonfire and sunfire kinda pump now
lofty depot
they need to do more dam now, other wise its less worth to press
nimble tangle
is there anyway to enlarge the selected target health bar?
looks like blizz has no such function at all
lofty depot
looks like blizz has no such function at all
i dont think the base one does it, but platynator profile does i think
lofty depot
did you have yours equipped?
yes
fair bloom
lmao
lofty depot
well i only had my dagger equipped
fair bloom
there's no way this worked
lofty depot
what did u do...
fair bloom
🙊
nimble tangle
i dont think the base one does it, but platynator profile does i think
i have platynator but i couldn't find the setting
so ASS
fair bloom
well i only had my dagger equipped
did your unequipped gear get squished too?
lofty depot
i have platynator but i couldn't find the setting
i just downloaded jundies
also tettles nameplates look like it
lofty depot
did your unequipped gear get squished too?
yea all of it did
nimble tangle
guess what... i use jundie too
fair bloom
lmao
nimble tangle
but his profile only has arrows on selected target
lofty depot
did u put it in warbbound bank or w.e.
nimble tangle
HUH tettles profile does enlarge it
WEIRD
nvm, i found it
jeeez, this takes way more time than before
SO ASS
lofty depot
where is it
drifting nova
Moonfire and sunfire kinda pump now
if only you could track where they are
nimble tangle
i dont have english version, but should be the same location
lofty depot
HMMM
fair bloom
if only you could track where they are
Real
fair bloom
PLEASE RESPOND
fair bloom
I think if ur gears already squished its too late
drifting nova
Real
like 80% of retail players are old as balls or getting to be old as balls and now theres even less ways to customise to fit that smh
fair bloom
like 80% of retail players are old as balls or getting to be old as balls and no...
Lmao not wrong my eyes are cooked nowadays
lofty depot
I think if ur gears already squished its too late
well its not squished
it jsut doesnt work
fair bloom
Oh
lofty depot
if u look at ur stats
fair bloom
Ok i didnt test mine
lofty depot
they dont change
lofty depot
fair bloom
Did they hard cap stats or smth lmao
lofty depot
no clue
nimble tangle
sir are you abusing
fair bloom
Ill test mine
fair bloom
sir are you abusing
No sir I would never break the rules
lofty depot
I take advantage
fair bloom
Ngl i used the timewalking stuff for mog more than anything else
I missed 4 parts of the nerubar set
Was nice to get that done
lofty depot
i wanted to go kill queen cuz i need mount
lofty depot
ye
abuse early and often
so we just keep this gear and eventaully theyll forget
this gear will work in 2 expansions
lock en
lofty depot
yea weirdge
fair bloom
i kept it in the bank thinking (maybe they won't nerf if it's in the bank :clueless:)
i saw the 632 and pogged off
what a weird way to fix it lmao
lofty depot
yea big brain, they surely go to everyones character and nerf it individually
fair bloom
idk maybe they run a script that only checks invens idk how it works
i guess they can't hotfix tooltips?
lofty depot
lol they go to their funny spreadsheet and change the numbers
fair bloom
ye makes sense
fair bloom
i had nothing to abuse
that's the worst part
had this incredible bug i couldn't do anything with
shit game
delicate perch
stone cairn
i saw the 632 and pogged off
I wish the mage that joined my timewalking dungeon who had 4 of those did the same 😭
fair bloom
lmao
stone cairn
He was doing like 900k dps in prepatch and everyone else was doing 1-3k on average at the scaling of my level anyway
Which at the time was 11 (I was a devourer demon hunter so I legit was doing like 7 dps, but we're gonna ignore that.)
stone cairn
Did he solo the 38?
delicate perch
There is a balance Druid that did keys +38
someone call the police
drifting nova
stop posting my secrets wtf
sudden flame
they still gotta fix darkmoon deck radiance
delicate perch
they still gotta fix darkmoon deck radiance
@lofty depot
drifting nova
fix? in this decade?
sudden flame
I have been informed it has been fixed
delicate perch
didn't they fix that yesterday
sudden flame
Nah they fixed it because i said something in the balance chat right now
its all because of me
pallid bay
good job kitten
sudden flame
thanks lil gup
pallid bay
jade flume
They also fixed frostbolt after i spent 10 minutes looking for it
sudden flame
south night
Hello guys, im abit stuck on the balance DPS. i was more a less always top of the damage meter and now im slacking near too tank damage! Has the Stat prio changed and if so what is it now as i am mostly mastery and haste. Thanks!
south night
Okay, the rotation feels very sluggish and worn down. Not a big fan of having to press and extra button either to enter solar eclipse.
Lunar
sudden flame
drifting nova
gl healers
drifting nova
Okay, the rotation feels very sluggish and worn down. Not a big fan of having to...
yeah but its rotational friction so its good
jade flume
the tuning is just a bit off
Id assume haste is actually useful now tho right
Probably could help some homies to undrop haste for raid
pallid bay
haste should have more value now with no tierset
but all bosses die so fast you could prob argue for the other stats as well
round field
but
if u have more haste faster
u attack faster
which means more damage
so boss dies faster
jade flume
But if it dies faster u get less casts off
sudden flame
Mastery verse crit for the sweet sweet sweet prepatch logs
strong bloom
So i have a question which i'm struggling with. on the UIs that is proposed on the wowhead guide, i see there is a resource bar on the UI but it's not visibile on mine when i copy and paste this. I did enable the personal resource bar but it doesn't look like this in the picture
Anyone have an idea
craggy sonnet
So i have a question which i'm struggling with. on the UIs that is proposed on ...
It's an addon.. the specific one in the screenshot is likely bettercooldownmanager
strong bloom
aaah
craggy sonnet
But you can also get only a resource bar addon or whatever you like
strong bloom
thank you!
drifting nova
what now
delicate perch
you heard him
thorny sentinel
anyone knows if it's possible to change that glowing yellow color on CDM icons ?
craggy sonnet
anyone knows if it's possible to change that glowing yellow color on CDM icons ?
technically, yes. but bcdm doesnt have it i think
pseudo merlin
I'd be willing to do moonkin things to the person who figures that out
It's so fucking horrendous I CAN NOT and will not get used to it
God it's fucking disgusting
I hate blizzard
pseudo merlin
craggy sonnet
technically also arc can but its bricked to shits
pseudo merlin
clanker legend
pseudo merlin
fuck
pseudo merlin
oh this aint on beta yet
drifting nova
uhhhhhhhhhhh
pseudo merlin
the heck
pseudo merlin
ok just click gamz then
drifting nova
brainchips when
pseudo merlin
damn I havent done a maanual addon install in years
drifting nova
so you can think your rotation
pseudo merlin
That wouldn't do much for you now would it
pseudo merlin
why would you play anything other than bamkin though
it's actually kinda goated other than tuning
pseudo merlin
WHAT?
drifting nova
my first main I wanted to revive in midnight
disgusting
fury players make me sick
craggy sonnet
damn I havent done a maanual addon install in years
i got it through wowup. idk why you cant find it
some weird filtering?
pseudo merlin
I cant find BCDM either
retail or beta
somet´hings fucked with curseforge probably
craggy sonnet
probably curseforge thing broken then
pseudo merlin
Just hire every addon dev in history and increase sub price by 50p how bout that
pseudo merlin
Ion and 3 people on the classic team?
pseudo merlin
i got it through wowup. idk why you cant find it
goated
this is how I remember the game being
craggy sonnet
you can adjust a lot of the visuals of as well .. like what type of glow and stuff
its pretty neat
pseudo merlin
I just clicked the "elvui" preset
craggy sonnet
ye
on the side, there is an "advanced" flyout thing
if you just wanna click through
pseudo merlin
You know something is a good addon if you can type /whatIprobablyassumeiscorrect and it's correct 100% of the time
pseudo merlin
badlands or feralas
feralas
tawny cloud
What is BCDM?
pseudo merlin
better cdm
pseudo merlin
on the side, there is an "advanced" flyout thing
am I stupid? this is all I get
pseudo merlin
craggy sonnet
am I stupid? this is all I get
right side of the panel .. the little "advanced" flyout thing
tawny cloud
better cdm
An addon?
craggy sonnet
i didnt find it initially as well
jade flume
Id go for better cdn personaly
craggy sonnet
indeed
pseudo merlin
pallid bay
am I stupid? this is all I get
pseudo merlin
Id go for better cdn personaly
why is that
I think I tried it back in December but something went wrong and I got rid of it
lua errors wouldnt stop
pseudo merlin
I just need something to show me a GCD swipe
And I can die a happy man
Or worst case scenario a GCD bar
Gnosis seems to be fucked
craggy sonnet
gcd swip is there per default, no?
pseudo merlin
gcd swip is there per default, no?
like default UI? no because it disappears when something goes on cd
craggy sonnet
I forgo where is feralas
soutch of desolace ofc
pseudo merlin
so if youre playing a class that just gets everything on cd you lose the swipe
craggy sonnet
oh you want the swip on top of a cooldown?
tawny cloud
I fownloaded a Mouse cursor that where you could add global cooldowns 😅
pseudo merlin
I just want to always know how far into a gcd I am
I find it makes button pressing much more chill
lucid olive
I think I tried it back in December but something went wrong and I got rid of it
Bcdm didn't exist in December
craggy sonnet
just put something in the bar that shoes you then
pseudo merlin
alternatively I play with a metronome
yeah that's how I usually solve that problem
but like that wasn't required before with weakauras
craggy sonnet
you can get a gcd bar tho
pseudo merlin
Bcdm didn't exist in December
That's what you think 😉
oh wait it was just called CDM I guess
jade flume
Need a metronome addon that lines up beat timer to ur gcd timer
pseudo merlin
Which is probably not the same thing
pseudo merlin
ic
jade flume
Who is tweaks
pseudo merlin
lucid olive
Ravec tweaking
potent cargo
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/297390355488178178/739763906549121044/c...
need an ai edit of this with two big macs in his hands
and like twice the weight
pseudo merlin
delicate perch
need chatgpt2 to add that much
jade flume
Id demolish a big mac right now frfr
pseudo merlin
what about a whopper?
craggy sonnet
I just want to always know how far into a gcd I am
shouldnt your entire utility bar have gcd swipe?
tawny cloud
Anyone got a "feeling" or read a script or something like that, and have an idea what is comming for balance druids?
With the old tier set i was happy with the cooldowns. But right as it is now. I dont feel anything when pressing ca or convoke 😅
pseudo merlin
shouldnt your entire utility bar have gcd swipe?
yeah but its seperated from the main bar and or further down and or smaller icons
doesnt do it for me
craggy sonnet
i c
stuck jungle
i'm new to balance, if you are playing elune's chosen is your eclipse always lunar?
pseudo merlin
All I know is I once had swipes perma working on weakauras and even then I lost it and couldn't fix it and I talked to a hundred WA devs and nobody knew how to make it work
craggy sonnet
just checked EQoL has a gcd bar but its very barebones in how it can be styled
pseudo merlin
it's been a fucking adventure leme tell you that
craggy sonnet
can prolly try this one
https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/asgcdbar
(i didnt yet)
jaunty blaze
i'm new to balance, if you are playing elune's chosen is your eclipse always lun...
If you have lunar calling talented yes
pseudo merlin
can prolly try this one
https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/asgcdbar
yeah that might be good, I usually set up gnosis in about the same way
oh ye that's a banger thx
fair mist
Is there any way to get your cast bar to be like a circle around your cursor similar to the previous weak aura version. I hate looking at a normal cast bar ever.
craggy sonnet
yeah that might be good, I usually set up gnosis in about the same way
That one doesn't work anymore?
pseudo merlin
atleast currently on beta it's spamming lua errors
craggy sonnet
Is there any way to get your cast bar to be like a circle around your cursor sim...
Ultimate mouse cursor is an addon now
fair mist
Ultimate mouse cursor is an addon now
On god you just changed my life
tawny cloud
Yeah that one has it. Got it yesterday
thorny sentinel
do you know if there's a way to setup proc indicator on the side of our character like we used to ? similar to native in game effect for frost mage for example
pseudo merlin
you mean like the fancy visuals?
like shiny purple glow for arcane missiles
or frosty glow above ur head for fof
pseudo merlin
aye, idk
craggy sonnet
The ingame one
Spell opacity whatever whatever in the blizz settings
Turn it up from 0
thorny sentinel
ok I'll try, might have disabled those back in the days for WA
craggy sonnet
But you only get what's builtin
pseudo merlin
we used to be able to do that with WAs
🙂
Anyone know the proper healthstone ID
idk if it's different for beta
pseudo merlin
cheers
that one works it seems
theres like a hundred on wowhead
interesting
it says 0 but it goes on cd when i use it
Ok someone explain BCDM to me
This seems entirely fucking useless
anchor points and offsets?
that's it?
inclusion of trinkets and items and cast/power bars is nice, but purely for the essential/utility/buffs what does it do
pseudo merlin
ok I cant figure this shit out
how on earth do I move the castbar
am i stupid or what
craggy sonnet
For buffs it also dynamically grows them from the center
pseudo merlin
left click dont work, right click dont work, ctrl alt and shift + left or right dont work
pseudo merlin
For buffs it also dynamically grows them from the center
yeah all the additional features are great but so it doesnt actually have proper customisation for the base essential/utility like other versions of improved CDM diy projects we've had?
craggy sonnet
yeah all the additional features are great but so it doesnt actually have proper...
Like what?
pseudo merlin
like for example not having essentials be stuck together
craggy sonnet
What feature
pseudo merlin
Allowing you to have 4 buttons up top and 4 bot
or like
doing this
instead of having those bottom 3 anchored left
like you cant seperately anchor the rows?
craggy sonnet
Oh. Yeah. Center alignment is gonna come
pseudo merlin
ill stick with ABE for now then
craggy sonnet
Allowing you to have 4 buttons up top and 4 bot
This stuff is kinda hacky
pseudo merlin
😩
craggy sonnet
If you want full functionality on all icons
pseudo merlin
why does blizzard hate us
craggy sonnet
If you just wanna see cooldowns, you can use the custom bars
And put whatever spells in there to make a separate icon group
pseudo merlin
i see
craggy sonnet
In bcdm or whatever other cdm addon
But those won't show the active swipe at all
(I think)
Same with pandemic glow and stuff
pseudo merlin
ok I can't find how to move this castbar
everything indicates that it's in moveable state
craggy sonnet
Lemme see
pseudo merlin
but its just non interactable
craggy sonnet
I didn't really tinker too much with that
Have been just checking out add-ons .. not even really worked on my actual ui
pseudo merlin
ive individually read every single option, not skimmed, read everything
there's no option to move
wonder if it's bugged because castbar might be disabled in bliz default settings or something
craggy sonnet
you can move the player cast bar with edit mode
just gotta tick "Cast Bar" in the main edit mode window
pseudo merlin
wonder if it's bugged because castbar might be disabled in bliz default settings...
ye
figured
was looking through options, forgot that shit is doubled up in the hud edit mode window now
it's so weird an illogical
its like with the dmg meter
you can have the dmg meter enabled and showing
but pressing unlock doesnt let you move it around, even in edit mode, until you seperately enable it in edit mode window too
even if it appears moveable like such
craggy sonnet
and the target and focus cast bar stuff you just do with the anchoring and x/y offsets
deep hearth
I would say just accept it for now. I mean its playable and could definetly be worse.
pseudo merlin
Well I partially agree right
But I don't want to sit here and do the "it's still beta" thing
Because we all know staying silent and expecting things to be functional on release leads to very much that not being the case
Things only get done in this game when people are vocal enough for it to reach them
deep hearth
I agree. Criticism is important but I honestly think its okay. Just the final touches on a lot of features
pseudo merlin
Like I don't want to do any of this shit, I just want to log in and play the game
And that's what I've been able to do for decades
deep hearth
relatable
pseudo merlin
Only now they want people to be able to log in and play the game
And the result of that is that you no longer can
Everything takes 3x more effort now
like huh
what
Your stated goal is making it so the addon barrier to entry is gone
And the result of that is that it's bigger than ever
livid jay
theres like a hundred on wowhead
get addon idTip 😄
pseudo merlin
i'd still need a healthstone for that though right
I'd need to stalk some warlocks on beta that aren't afk to make me one first
pseudo merlin
Was setting stuff up so I didnt have one at the time
livid jay
yee
deep hearth
I mean it really doesnt if you wouldnt want to interact with wa's in general. The standart features are way better, we are just spoiled.
For encounter design WAs had to go I guess and as a result it is now needed to do new interface
As long as its ONCE now and not every addon im fine with it
livid jay
"we are just spoiled" 😄
pseudo merlin
I'm purely talking about getting my UI to a point where it's functional: meaning that all the information required to play your class optimally is visible
That's not being spoiled
livid jay
theres shit u cant even do
pseudo merlin
That's a failure to deliver the bare necessities on their end
deep hearth
Yeah not saying you arent right. Im just an optimist and fairly certain itll be fine
pseudo merlin
I defintely agree though IF everything (default) gets to a point where it gives you what you need
IF
deep hearth
but yes, core things missing sucks
pseudo merlin
It would be goated to NEVER have to log in after a major patch/xpac to re-do your whole ui
super goated
deep hearth
yeah and I have hope that we will potentially get there
But as you said: Its important to tell them whats missing
fully agree there
pseudo merlin
Like
Navigating damage meter is a nightmare
you can't reset it without resetting everything
so much important info missing
deep hearth
honestly just use details haha
pseudo merlin
does beta have details even
craggy sonnet
I'm purely talking about getting my UI to a point where it's functional: meaning...
legit no addon is gonna change that in a dramatically impactful way. the only thing thats really scuffed is healer frames
craggy sonnet
honestly just use details haha
details is scuffed as well, no?
pseudo merlin
well I mean weakauras have done that up to this point right
deep hearth
I dont know about beta Details but you can use it in prepatch
I mean you cant see things like deaths and stuff anymore but atleast details shows dps and damage in one window, same for hps
that sucks alot on blizz meter
craggy sonnet
yea ok .. thats fixed on beta tho
and ive heard details showing wrong stuff
or whatever
(i havent done a dungeon)
pseudo merlin
This is default UI right?
craggy sonnet
This is default UI right?
uhh, could be some addon trying to do stuff with it tho
deep hearth
We will see i guess but i would assume details or blizz meters will atleast be fixed to a point where they dont show "wrong stuff"
pseudo merlin
😩
pseudo merlin
craggy sonnet
is that an addon you have?
deep hearth
Well guys anyways, just wanted to bring a bit of positivity in the mix. Have a great day, need to continue working
craggy sonnet
path seems weird
pseudo merlin
I'm using dominos to hide bars
could be that
yeah it's dominos
Another addon that's mandatory because basic functionality doesn't exist for a feature they implemented 5 years ago
craggy sonnet
can hide bars with abe
pseudo merlin
true
craggy sonnet
also Enhanced QoL can do a lot of stuff
pseudo merlin
Just like you can't play a piano without looking at your fingers
craggy sonnet
highly recommend
but yeah, if you wanna use ABE anyways .. it can do the action bar stuff
maybe its actually cause you are using both dominos and abe
pseudo merlin
goated
yeah could be, i didnt realise abe could do it
Ideally the way I want my bars
Is hidden unless I open my spellbook
Or like hidden untill I'm dragging an item/spell
craggy sonnet
hm yea, no clue
pseudo merlin
oh yeah im not asking how to do it dw
but appreciate it
that's just how i've always had it
you sure ABE can hide bars?
I don't think it can
ya its not dominos
pallid bay
silly lil things
pallid bay
ya its not dominos
your screenshot says requires reload..
pseudo merlin
😒
pseudo merlin
nop
it just always says that when things are disabled
Or atleast I've typed /console reloadui like 19 times since I disabled dominos
pallid bay
lying?
pseudo merlin
yeah idk what to tell you
pallid bay
bad actor..
pseudo merlin
I mean I'm no Baldwin but..
pallid bay
thorny sentinel
is anyone having trouble with the resource bar not saving its position anymore ?
lofty depot
Is it possible u have it anchored to something rather than positional set to x/y
I don't have this issue, I'm just asking...
Also why r u tracking surge and starfall
crude cargo
to not make the bar empty
craggy sonnet
you sure ABE can hide bars?
There are fade sliders
lofty depot
to not make the bar empty
They're not used to the proc icons
They see the flare icon and lose their mind
craggy sonnet
At least I assume you mean mouse over when you say hide them?
pseudo merlin
it wasnt doing an ythingg until i closed abe
royal zenith
didnt know you can read
elder remnant
didnt know you can read
haha eat glass
crude cargo
if you are in for the numbers, do you really like boomkin
elder remnant
... have you met anyone in this discord?
minor swift
Hopping in here with no context but are we getting buffed???
crude cargo
parses =/= numbers
sudden flame
so no one reads dev notes or?
pallid bay
yikes
minor swift
The worst
robust wadi
even with beta buffs its kinda funny that pre patch went live with boomie doing less damaga than aug
royal zenith
It would be insane priorities to have perfect balance during prepatch
long juniper
What would the player base complain about in that case?
dire osprey
so no one reads dev notes or?
whats a dev?
lofty depot
It would be insane priorities to have perfect balance during prepatch
Do zdps on beta too dont worry
Don't know how we're consistently in need of aura and spender buffs
Big fun honestly
harsh herald
Besides numbers, I just really want eclipse to be off gcd
lofty depot
It does damage, so that's unlikely
Also half gcd basically off, just spam a surge
Used to be 2 Starfire casts and now people complain about getting an instant cast
harsh herald
I'm still casting Starfire because it's so ingrained but that's 100% a me thing 🥲
Then I need to cast wrath again to get into the right eclipse before I press
robust wadi
anyone knows if its possible to have a line in the power bar marking 36 ap and 45 ap?
royal zenith
Don't know how we're consistently in need of aura and spender buffs
I don't see how that's surprising
?
eager raft
Deux I can’t believe you’re about to make me take Arctics side
lofty depot
Seems like if ur in a kitchen and ur making a pizza and u cook it... But then notice u always need an extra 5 minutes.
If you go to cook that same type of pizza again u would remember u needed 5 extra minutes
royal zenith
if you can perfectly give an ability the right weight, before putting it in the game
you're godtier
beyond god honestly
and you're implying classes are shipped the same every tier/patch
sussy
anyway, it can be improved ye
eager raft
It just seems turbo lazy to aura adjust when the expansion isn’t even out
lofty depot
I was gonna say maybe for once add damage to my spec then take it away, but that happened last tier.... But instead of nerfing it they gutted it so idk wcyd
royal zenith
I would love to see you in charge of bamkin respectable
like just from a content perspective
eager raft
And is exactly how we end up at the end of an expansion with like +30% aura buff or whatever we ended TWW with
lofty depot
It just seems turbo lazy to aura adjust when the expansion isn’t even out
Also this
eager raft
Are you implying this is their first fuck up
eager raft
Well for starters some internal qa wouldn’t hurt
lofty depot
One spec always at the shit end
eager raft
I get that for a lot of things, outsourcing qa to the playerbase works
royal zenith
also; balance is still pretty low prio in the grand scheme of things
housing > balance
literally
eager raft
Yeah that’s true
lofty depot
Why is my spec being compared to housing /s
eager raft
Class balance doesn’t really move the dial on sub count and player retention
royal zenith
is true
eager raft
Survival Hunter
eager raft
I don’t expect perfect!
lofty depot
In no case do I expect perfect balance
eager raft
Just a little bit closer to perfect
Or at least imperfect in a way that benefits me….
lofty depot
I said specifically my spec always requires an aura buff
royal zenith
instead of 10% aura buff, 5% aura buff?
(realistically that's >1k dps in actual numbers)
(Im making up numbers)
eager raft
I wouldn’t go the aura buff route this early
lofty depot
Well sur, but that's cuz numbers look small
dire osprey
give me a 150% aura buff
eager raft
Personally
lofty depot
That's still a 10% diff
royal zenith
I do wonder how much of a difference 10% dps actually is atm
what's max dps-ish?
atm
sudden flame
give me a 150% aura buff
my spec is already on 28% aura 
royal zenith
50k?
eager raft
in current gear, less
eager raft
I’m doing like 65-70k overall in m+
It’s a small number for sure but it’s the % that matters
lofty depot
Uhhh DPS numbers are lie 60-70k on some normal bosses at 2m kills
Heroic 4m kills like 40-50k
So yea 10% is like 4-5k call it DPS wise
royal zenith
It’s a small number for sure but it’s the % that matters
this I don't agree on
cause a 200% increase/buff to an ability that does 1 dps
is pretty shit
merry ibex
Why do I still see people doing the old opener for damage? Where you hit the 2nd CA charge at 11 seconds, wasnt that just for the old tier set when we were juicing the dryad? Wouldn't you just us the whole charge now before hitting the 2nd one?
lofty depot
Well again, I specifically said getting aura buffed consistently
eager raft
Why do I still see people doing the old opener for damage? Where you hit the 2nd...
They don’t know what they are doing
lofty depot
Because we're 10% lower like every tier
eager raft
cause a 200% increase/buff to an ability that does 1 dps
I meant from an aura perspective
eager raft
And a comparing one spec to another perspective
eager raft
Like stats were just squished so calling it only a 4k difference is reductive
pallid bay
Why do I still see people doing the old opener for damage? Where you hit the 2nd...
now u'd just wait for 2nd trees to come up to use 2nd CA
eager raft
When that 4k represents 10% difference. Tbh tho I think 10% is well within their acceptable delta
merry ibex
I certainly do feel like I'm just really weak compared to just about everyone else I've come across
lofty depot
"Don't know how we're consistently in need of aura and spender buffs"
Now we're just being pedantic cuz i said aura the whole time then added spender in that 1 specific sentence
merry ibex
balance is constantly bad before buffs in every patch
maybe all our power is in the apex talents
lofty depot
U wish
merry ibex
were we good on the beta testing?
pallid bay
nothing inherently wrong with an aura buff
lofty depot
were we good on the beta testing?
Raid testing isn't a good metric
pallid bay
if your abilities do the appropriate amount of damage procentually then you can increase the actual output with an aura buff
lofty depot
We often pad Starfall dam and all balance players are good cuz the spec doesn't change (kek)..... When everyone else forgets how to play their spec
royal zenith
Now we're just being pedantic cuz i said aura the whole time then added spender ...
It's what I reacted to and what started the discussion
pallid bay
its just bad when its used instead of fixing actual issues the spec might have
royal zenith
you changing the rules mid-discussion is not on me
eager raft
All balance players are good 
lofty depot
Says the child
manic plume
dad and dad are fighting again
merry ibex
I wonder if blizzard is scared of spread cleave so if you have it you get tuned really low by default
lofty depot
Tell that to spriest and warlock
royal zenith
dad and dad are fighting again
Im providing content!!
lofty depot
"dot classes were really good" yea totally, except 1
merry ibex
I dont know much about the old warlocks tbh, isnt spread cleave just an aff thing? And that spec isnt usually a world beater
eager raft
Aff is v good rn
royal zenith
really? did they get an aura buff?
eager raft
But right now does not matter
royal zenith
oh
eager raft
Deux
royal zenith
hi
eager raft
You’re not gonna proc me
royal zenith
unless >:)
open harbor
raidbot sims are not correct at the moment, are they?
lofty depot
They aren't working
royal zenith
pre-patch best blackbox of all times
south night
@eager raft i have sent you a dm
open harbor
They aren't working
ty
eager raft
😳
lofty depot
What bosses are being tested today
royal zenith
wait I know what it is
eager raft
It’s a genuine question
ocean atlas
just a few days of prepatch and i rly need a way to track my eclipse cd better, dont know if anybody got the same feelin, but the new change lack of something that let u know that u can go eclipse
lofty depot
just a few days of prepatch and i rly need a way to track my eclipse cd better, ...
Do u not track the buff or
lofty depot
respectable got an aura buff in dm
How do u buff something that can only be 0
ocean atlas
Do u not track the buff or
y track the buff but dont know, is like u press eclipse but nothing much happens