Incarn is worse on live lowk
#balance
vale pebble
yea
honest widget
yesterday i was few 15s dungeons, i tried to play about the new eclipses, i always dot all before entering eclipse, but the AP building is that fast, that if i dont want to use starfall without eclipse, i would be capped so many seconds all the time in the whole run, because the window without eclipse is so much dmg loss
vale pebble
thats mainly why
fossil hemlock
CA/Incarn just feel super weak now
vale pebble
but if ur 1min fight u can inc back to back
fossil hemlock
It's "only" 10% haste and 10% crit
And double eclipse that you can just highroll anyway
fossil hemlock
Frontloaded sure, but what does CA help with that, that eclipse doesn't?
honest widget
i think its also both eclipses so you have 15+15% dmg into starfall/starsurge i think
if it counts like that
minor anchor
should
quiet drift
It does
fossil hemlock
CA vs eclipse is that you gain 10% haste, and x1.15 astral damage
honest widget
but also, you have tons of talents about to proc eclpise, crit, solstice etc, so with less eclipse rotation you losing all that xd
quiet drift
So are you saying CA feels weaker cuz we have a 20% of proccing double eclipse
quiet drift
unless they changed it
Changed it
craggy sonnet
so now its all the benefits of double ecl?
quiet drift
No clue about harmony
craggy sonnet
hm aight
fossil hemlock
So are you saying CA feels weaker cuz we have a 20% of proccing double eclipse
I guess kotg eventually gets another 10% haste from CA
honest widget
so with CA you have 20% haste 10% crit, 21% astral
pallid bay
21% astral 
fossil hemlock
CA doesn't get the crit, that's incarn
honest widget
well yeah but
pallid bay
whats 21% astral
vale pebble
whats 21% astral
he means 15% arcane and 6% harmony
pallid bay
idgi
vale pebble
idgi
pallid bay
fossil hemlock
Don't we still get the two damage types multiplied together for astral?
vale pebble
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1320599387566506065/1326573955774939277/m...
dont worry i dont understand what is being argued either
fossil hemlock
So 21% astral would be worse than what we actually get
lone turret
Seams we got a big buff on beta server
Balance
Meteorites damage reduced by 10%.
Power of Goldrinn damage increased by 25%.
Denizen of the Dream damage increased by 40%.
Solar Bolt damage increased by 40%.
Lunar Bolt damage increased by 20%.
Wrath damage increased by 20%.
Starfire damage increased by 20%.
All ability damage increased by 6%.
Wild Growth healing increased by 30%.
Rejuvenation healing increased by 30%.
when you use CA, you get both eclipses, both is 15% dmg for starfall, with harmony you stack another 6% for both eclipses, so you have 21+21% for starfall
quiet drift
This talent
sucks so much ass
I wanted to double check the boat
I have pressed eclipse 8 times with no proc
There we go
pallid bay
when you use CA, you get both eclipses, both is 15% dmg for starfall, with harmo...
21+21
its multiplicative
vale pebble
honest widget
anyway, the balance tree + apex tree is so much build about to enter eclipse as much as possible, and when you cant use eclipses all the time when one ends, you losing so much of your talents, and that suck for me, and its not that fun as in tww, thats my opinion about this new midnight changes, if they wanted balance to be more out of eclipses, they could changes the talents to not be that punishable wihtout the eclipses
fossil hemlock
and when you cant use eclipses all the time when one ends, you losing so much of your talents
No?
Like not even a sentence in and you're wrong
vale pebble
Like not even a sentence in and you're wrong
quiet drift
everyone likes onion
vale pebble
mmm i like big onion
minor anchor
u know what i liked?
quiet drift
chills
pseudo merlin
what
vale pebble
tellar fler
minor anchor
now i also like many other binds and flares...
craggy sonnet
I have pressed eclipse 8 times with no proc
get better
minor anchor
(joke
honest widget
Like not even a sentence in and you're wrong
you do, when you proc eclipse you have crit from boat, you proc solstice, when you proc 10x eclipse in 2 minutes, or when you use 6x eclipse in 2 minutes, its a huge diff
rose garnet
i just want to play my chicken dog , is that to much to ask blissard
fossil hemlock
you do, when you proc eclipse you have crit from boat, you proc solstice, when ...
You only lose that damage if you're capping on eclipse charges
pallid bay
kitten typing..
sudden flame
They made balance just range feral, eclipse is just tigers fury thoughts?
fossil hemlock
Head empty
quiet drift
Make me shoot claws
honest widget
You only lose that damage if you're capping on eclipse charges
i dont get this
rose garnet
pallid bay
ai slopes ⛷️
pseudo merlin
I miss STFL
minor anchor
Yes man
twin lotus
stellar flare lives on in orbital strike
livid jay
crazy
but do they live in one time zone
or does the east go to work at 7 and the west at 12
pseudo merlin
I think they adjust their day in the west by like an hour
Otherwise shit would be wild
livid jay
ye
elder sorrel
So I haven't played in 6 months or so but kinda tempted to start the game back up now. Sadly my Shroms pack is dead, can you share packs for the built-in UI yet? And are there any good packs out there?
Sorry for asking the (what I'm presuming) is the most asked question right now.
pseudo merlin
rip shroms
@shroms
Didnt gamz share his ui somewhere?
Am I crazy, I thought we could export ui
lofty depot
I choose this life, shut it rat
pseudo merlin
this is mine, castbar is an addon everything else is base ui I think
wonder if you can import from beta
that mana bar is not supposed to be there
craggy sonnet
this is mine, castbar is an addon everything else is base ui I think
Fake news.. AP bar is addon
Also that cast bar is ewww
pseudo merlin
id take a better alternative
this was like quickly put together purely for functionality
my other castbar wasnt working or something idk i made this months ago
lofty depot
So I haven't played in 6 months or so but kinda tempted to start the game back u...
Wowhead
drifting nova
why do you have trees on bars
lofty depot
, added that u can download bettercooldownmanager aswell then look up bcdm string, Ive posted a few times
pseudo merlin
why do you have trees on bars
first of all there are no bars
lofty depot
But his edit mode and cdm string are in wowhead
pseudo merlin
second, why dont you
drifting nova
so is there only 4 talents
pseudo merlin
It was KOTG hands down
drifting nova
entirety of midnight
elder sorrel
But his edit mode and cdm string are in wowhead
thanks!
drifting nova
thats waht I said
3 in hero talents
and the apex
3 + 1
is 4
I dont even know which of the 3 hero talents are new
drifting nova
that one
craggy sonnet
Sometimes an old one got shuffled over there
lofty depot
The new ones are the far right ones
Dryad was the tier set, minus the damage storage part :/
hasty mirage
has anyone made a replacement addon for the wa that would remind me which consumables are missing on readycheck?
twin lotus
i think mrt does that no?
gaunt ruin
Did you guys tested the talents in high keys? What do you prefer? I tried Elune at on trash I think is better. Don’t know what to say in single target. Seems kind of low
lofty depot
Seems like both hero talents are just lacking damage somehwere
Both in prepatch and beta
sand rain
Anyone know how to fix this sim error
Error: Generating profiles: Actor 'Ramìz': Action 'starfire' (194153): Invalid 'if' expression: Invalid expression '!talent.stellar_flare': Talent 'stellar_flare' not found.
Or is raidbots not working yet
pallid bay
its not working yet
sand rain
Thank you
lofty depot
stellar_flare, rip
pallid bay
Thank you
i edited the APL, should be able to run a sim in a bit - its not updated for the changes though so result could be crap
it is indeed crap
jade flume
fathom blade
So entering eclpse is just one spell now ?
craggy sonnet
this APL is such an abomination
HEY
pallid bay
it is
i will nuke it right meow
actions.st+=/force_of_nature,if=variable.pre_cd_condition|cooldown.ca_inc.full_recharge_time+5+15talent.control_of_the_dream>cooldown&(!talent.convoke_the_spirits|cooldown.convoke_the_spirits.remains+10+15talent.control_of_the_dream>cooldown|fight_remains<cooldown.convoke_the_spirits.remains+cooldown.convoke_the_spirits.duration+5)&(variable.on_use_trinket=0|cooldown.ca_inc.remains>20|talent.convoke_the_spirits&cooldown.convoke_the_spirits.remains>20|(variable.on_use_trinket=1|variable.on_use_trinket=3)&(trinket.1.cooldown.remains>5+15talent.control_of_the_dream|trinket.1.cooldown.ready)|variable.on_use_trinket=2&(trinket.2.cooldown.remains>5+15talent.control_of_the_dream|trinket.2.cooldown.ready))&(fight_remains>cooldown+5|fight_remains<cooldown.ca_inc.remains+7)|talent.whirling_stars&talent.convoke_the_spirits&cooldown.convoke_the_spirits.remains>cooldown.force_of_nature.duration-10&fight_remains>cooldown.convoke_the_spirits.remains+6
action.st+=/force_of_nature,if=cooldown.ca_inc.ready
is eclipse implemented
any knowers
sudden flame
nuke it
lofty depot
any knowers
X for doubt
vale pebble
is eclipse implemented
there is only one person that knows mate
and you know who it is
lofty depot
Checked his commits. Nothing says eclipse
pallid bay
k we just dont enter eclipse then
smoky oyster
Guys good morning! For m+ in midnigth, Elune is better yet? or Groove is better now? i'm a soft run player, run maxims m+10 i don't know if this make difference
fathom blade
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/tjGz5mpCaN5RkqMf6Nh5vZ
2nd ca after pull without threes ?
vale pebble
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/tjGz5mpCaN5RkqMf6Nh5vZ
17k gratis
lofty depot
Guys good morning! For m+ in midnigth, Elune is better yet? or Groove is better ...
No one knows yet
pallid bay
2nd ca after pull without threes ?
yeah i made it up right now
fathom blade
why do we need to do one starfire on pull ?
vale pebble
why do we need to do one starfire on pull ?
u dont
and u shouldnt
at least for beta rn it wouldnt matter
fathom blade
i checked wowhead's quick guide
lofty depot
4x wrath opener incoming
vale pebble
yea u do 3 or 4 wraths depends how fast ur gcd is
lofty depot
i checked wowhead's quick guide
The guide isn't done, anything u see on sim or being talking about for beta is work in progress. 99% of the shit doesn't work
fathom blade
The guide isn't done, anything u see on sim or being talking about for beta is w...
yeah but i like to be up to date so i check it anyway when i play
but pre patch shit you know right
pallid bay
There is nothing up to date with that sim
lofty depot
Starlord work
fossil hemlock
but pre patch shit you know right
We press buttons and vibe
lofty depot
Big up to date
lofty depot
So gamz is lying
vale pebble
yes
lofty depot
Smh, wowhead writers
fathom blade
Someone tested meteorites on the beta ?
proud scarab
so there is no way now to filter out anything that is not sunfire and moonfire from nameplates?
lofty depot
Flare procs a random eclipse and u have to pay attention to which one ur in
vale pebble
Now very small
?xd
pseudo merlin
and if you multidot STFL you can proc multiple eclipses but they dont stack so you just yo-yo between lunar and solar
so you have to keep paying attention
should I buy a house in Latina just for memes
lofty depot
Each flare out adds a 10% eclipse buff that stacks. Orbital Strike is back
sharp karma
I liked orbital. Fun ability to press
dense steeple
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/tjGz5mpCaN5RkqMf6Nh5vZ
I doubled this sim in raid last night AMA
dense steeple
so there is no way now to filter out anything that is not sunfire and moonfire f...
Depends what addons you got
tawny cloud
Is there an addon that can track if you have all mobs dottet up?
proud scarab
that wasn't a thing even before the addon apocalypse so i doubt that
supple haven
Is there an addon that can track if you have all mobs dottet up?
You one expansion too late, use to be a weakaura but that's dead now
tawny cloud
You one expansion too late, use to be a weakaura but that's dead now
Yeah i had a Weakaura for it before
proud scarab
Depends what addons you got
using plater with jundies profile, but the buff filtering doesn't work :/
supple haven
You cant filter debuffs anymore
proud scarab
F
obtuse wedge
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/tjGz5mpCaN5RkqMf6Nh5vZ
The bot never entered solar eclipse besides clicking CA 
pallid bay
good observation!
sudden flame
thanks
tawny cloud
Anyone know why sensi class bar, i cant change the color of the bar color
craggy sonnet
Anyone know why sensi class bar, i cant change the color of the bar color
you can in the game menu -> options -> addons thing
vale pebble
The bot never entered solar eclipse besides clicking CA <:garf:11827032923132559...
L9 67
tawny cloud
you can in the game menu -> options -> addons thing
can only change the resource bar color. it doesnt change the HP color. stay the same brown color no matter what color i pick
pallid bay
Anyone know why sensi class bar, i cant change the color of the bar color
should've used OIUI..
fossil hemlock
can only change the resource bar color. it doesnt change the HP color. stay the ...
It's at the bottom
opal egret
has anyone tried boomy with latest changes in beta ?
sturdy pumice
has anyone tried boomy with latest changes in beta ?
bamkin buffed
opal egret
bamkin buffed
so we are back to being mid 😳
sturdy pumice
no one knows until launch - depends on changes to other classes
merry ibex
After alot more effort than I care to admit I found a pretty good way to work around blizzard not wanting you to have easy access to tracking buffs on yourself and I thought I might share. The addon called TellMeWhen has a function called internal cooldown. You set it to create a timer via a bar that triggers the moment you hit a spell (in this case your cooldown) this creates a decaying bar that can display a timer to show you the exact duration of your CD even though technically it isn't being tracked. Since the cooldown has a static duration it doesn't need to track it.
This is pretty lightweight addon that isnt a total UI rehaul if you just want this function without alot of other stuff
I have it set to be hidden until I hit CA
plucky valley
That’s pretty cool but can’t you track ca with the in game cdm?
That’s how I track my eclipses and starlord
merry ibex
for sure but that function just creates a stack of bars that you can't seperate or resize individually and just really limited customization, this kinda feels like having a WA again
plucky valley
True
You can make them the icon instead of bars though if you’d like to do that
Personally after gaining more user knowledge with cdm, I’m actually pleased with it
merry ibex
I really like having things in different parts of my screen in bar form its a wird thing but its just how I keep my UI sorted
sort of "oh a bar up here thats X thing happening" the position is part of the function
so the CDM really hates you having the ability to seperate things
so I find it extremely limiting
I hope they had in that function eventually and I dont have to outsource it to addons
dry heron
Can you set it so it shows as an icon and not a bar
tawny cloud
When I change that color my Heathbar stays Brown, no matter what color i pick
fossil hemlock
When I change that color my Heathbar stays Brown, no matter what color i pick
Which health bar are you looking at?
tawny cloud
The one from the addon. Ill go on pc and send a screenshot in 5 mins
stoic grotto
is there some sort of bug where eclipse can proc both eclipses at the same time?
tawny cloud
should've used OIUI..
Cant use what i dont know about. Ill look at it 🤣
stoic grotto
happened to me a couple times on dummies
proud scarab
dancing debuffs xdd
tawny cloud
happened to me a couple times on dummies
Its a talent
lucid olive
total eclipse
stoic grotto
a
lucid olive
2 point talent near bottom
tawny cloud
Just ask in here. They tell you to read shit. And you learn it that way 🤣
shrewd warren
Can some1 tell me the benefit of this talent? I dont really get why I would want Starfire buffed in a singletarget fight for example
tawny cloud
You get the % dmg buff for astral power
shrewd warren
man im so stupid ffs
jaunty blaze
reading is for nerds
calm ibex
It’s basically ca without the stat buffs
jaunty blaze
vibe it out
royal zenith
just be careful if you have a heart...
fossil hemlock
just be careful if you have a heart...
Nice reference
royal zenith
jaunty blaze
we can
tawny cloud
its a long bar somewhere on your screen
proud scarab
i don't actually see it either
was there yesterday
did you import luxthos profile too?
stoic grotto
si
tawny cloud
stoic grotto
although i modified it a lil bit
proud scarab
mhh may be that it was there before importing it
tawny cloud
Which health bar are you looking at?
it looks like this. and you can see the green bar from the Normal healthbar on the left
jaunty blaze
you can change it from tracked bars to tracked buffs if you prefer it as an icon
might need a new profile mayhaps
tawny cloud
can you seach for it?
stoic grotto
jaunty blaze
the search bar only shows you things that are in the window afaik
as in you cant add any
jaunty blaze
do you have starlord talent actually
stoic grotto
it should show up regardless of whether im specced into it but yes i am
jaunty blaze
have you show untalented checkmarked
proud scarab
somehow it's luxthos' profille that hides it
stoic grotto
somehow it's luxthos' profille that hides it
this
stoic grotto
it is on
jaunty blaze
well then i dont know
proud scarab
yeah weird af
stoic grotto
the profile actually just hides like 4 buttons
pseudo merlin
luxthos 🤮
lofty depot
U don't really need to track it but nonetheless weird
elder coral
I am a filthy casual, I like to track it
pseudo merlin
I wanna be mad
oh no I just despise him as a person, I've always been a fan of the weakauras
potent torrent
and I couldn't find a way to add it back in
same, couldn't find it
clever tangle
Am i doing something wrong or is balance dmg is just so bad after the pre patch? i might be wrong tho
lucid olive
its not great
clever tangle
Okay, then its not only me
green spruce
is it just me or is CDM not tracking stampeding roar when not in cat form
and casting it in moonkin shifts you to bear ..
fossil hemlock
and casting it in moonkin shifts you to bear ..
This is normal
pseudo merlin
it has always done that
loud kettle
casting it moonkin form has put you in bear for a decade +
pseudo merlin
moonkins can't roar
fossil hemlock
moonkins can't roar
Speak for yourself
lofty depot
do u mean tracking the buff or
pseudo merlin
no
lofty depot
tell that to the feedback forums
green spruce
since cdm doesnt track the buff in bear form
fossil hemlock
Very few situations where it matters
pseudo merlin
I mean would I rather it wouldnt put you in bare
yes
is it stupid?
I dont think so
green spruce
i mean, if i'm able to track the buff, why not show it independently of which form i'm
but i was just wondering if it's me that noticed it
pseudo merlin
oh for sure yeah
That part is absolutely stupid
And that's a direct result of an incompetent company being too greedy and stubborn and indifferent to the problems of the minority to design a proper game
give it another year and it might work properly
surreal sierra
Addon?
potent torrent
this is from Luxthos, what's the yellow icons there?
potent torrent
oohhhh, ty
reef sigil
question with the eclipse when is a good time to use incarn? or is it just press on CD
lofty depot
Depends what hero talents
But when u ca/incarn when u have trees/foe and convoke
And when it'll do the most damage
lucid olive
Or is grove gonna be best for keys in midnight?
dont know yet
reef sigil
Dang ok, i'm just following what wowhead has atm.
opal egret
i think ee will still be decent but resto looks really good atm so prolly takes the druid spot
sudden pawn
loud kettle
Do not trust gamz
exotic perch
only trust yourself
pseudo merlin
Do nut, trust gamz
tawny cloud
Would it be worth to use elipce and then ca to get 2 dryads with 30%dmg buff or just have them up more time? 😅
pseudo merlin
well more like 2ish
7 weeks and 5 days buddy
pseudo merlin
fair
royal zenith
actually nuts
pseudo merlin
it feels like there's so much time between early access and hc launch
EA is like the 27th
hc 17
mythic 24
QD mythic 31
gritty steeple
In prepatch how do I track when I'm in eclipse as it's no longer popping up/flashing? ty
pallid bay
Do not trust gamz
whole siren
Hey all, fairly new to balance, I've read the wow head guide, but still have some rotation/situation questions.
Namely regarding managing the eclipse windows, and what to do in between those windows
lofty depot
Namely regarding managing the eclipse windows, and what to do in between those w...
Press as many surges/starfalls as possible in eclipse
Outside of eclipse, likely gain as much astral power before entering, refresh dots possibly
whole siren
Thank you, and on ST, if you are Elune tree, is it still Starfire for builder or is is wrath? Cuz Starfire takes 9; years to cast 🥴
clever ibex
Is there a cutoff now with the mastery change now many moonfire targets that are optimal in aoe?
Since they don’t boost damage anymore
lofty depot
Thank you, and on ST, if you are Elune tree, is it still Starfire for builder or...
I wonder if it's wrath outside of eclipse but I have no clue lol
But yea Starfire doesn't do the damage it did in s3. There's no Sims yet, so sequencing and correct casting isn't fleshed out.
lofty depot
Is there a cutoff now with the mastery change now many moonfire targets that are...
There likely will be, but don't know til we start simming
clever ibex
Gotcha, ty
lofty depot
U will likely slam moonfire on big mobs and while they're being gathered regardless
royal zenith
Shadowlands prio list 
lofty depot
Wait til u press surge in AOE over Starfire kek
whole siren
I did a 12 FG, and felt so out of sorts with what I needed to do. And felt like I was doing nothing the entire time.
pseudo merlin
Shadowlands prio list <:Pog:696026893274710066>
shadowlands prio in aoe was crazy
we had so many fucking conditionals for moonfire
had to like think about things and stuff
nimble tangle
I also have similar question, so during incarnation or lunar eclipse shall I use up all AP?
For example first wave in floodgate with lust, first incarnation I use up all AP then entering second incarnation with very low AP feels so weak
fossil hemlock
For example first wave in floodgate with lust, first incarnation I use up all AP...
Then don't enter it before you have astral power
inner plover
Holy boomking dmg in prepatch is awful xD doing tank DPS is kinda sad in Myth Raid
jaunty blaze
have you tried doing more
twin lotus
is there any streamer doing boomie beta keys?
inner plover
i tried my best 😄 but yeahj UHDK did double my DPS :))) they parsed 46 me with half DPS parsed 92
inner plover
i can just hope they tweak it right into Midnight 🙂
sullen wadi
Man, who actually asked for the change to make eclipse a separate button to press. I liked my rhythm 🙁
junior parcel
Some specs operate better with the incomplete talents we have now, so they'll naturally do more damage. Once everyone is lv 90 + has apex + has full hero talents things will be far more judgeable
lofty depot
is there any streamer doing boomie beta keys?
Tettles did a bunch
junior parcel
I wouldn't doom about feeling weak until then
lofty depot
U can doom if u see our damage on beta
lofty depot
Man, who actually asked for the change to make eclipse a separate button to pres...
Because casting 2 starfires was so rhythmic
pliant moon
Do those beta buffs make their way to retail?
lofty depot
No
sullen wadi
Better than just pressing another button. Then again I preferred MoP's Boomkin to everything else so I'm just jaded w/ changes
lofty depot
How is it better than just pressing another button
It's 1 less button to enter eclipse
And 3 less seconds for that matter
wind quartz
Moonkin always had this balancing aspect in the solar/lunar/eclipse rotation. That aspect is kinda gone
sullen wadi
^^^^
jaunty blaze
good riddance
vast summit
just gonna take some getting use to, you can pool to 100AP then enter eclipse easily on your terms
sullen wadi
Weird phrasing but the "mouthfeel" is gone
jaunty blaze
now remove eclipse completely
exotic perch
yea i loved needing to move in an encounter and having to cast 2 2sec starfires to do any damage
oh wait
thats fixed now
yay
wind quartz
Yes, flavor... It's kinda sad after playing the spec for forever and going through different iterations of moving the eclipse bar
lofty depot
Eclipse is objectively shit
exotic perch
the constantly moving eclipse bar also sucked, it removed all aspects of control you had over your spec
lofty depot
They're making it less shit
royal zenith
what was the balancing part about eclipses exactly
exotic perch
the agency was not there with those iterations
royal zenith
I mean, if you dislike change by default then yeah
wind quartz
They're making it into generic shit. Why am I not playing any other caster spec
lofty depot
Thats not how we've been encounter eclipse tho
vast summit
should just enter eclipse upon hitting 100 AP and then you spend, but its w/e
lofty depot
They're making it into generic shit. Why am I not playing any other caster spec
If u think eclipse is the trademark ability or system u like about boomkin, I'm sorry to say but mental illness
exotic perch
eclipse is literally just a buff and the way it is right now is the best itll probably be for a while
whole siren
Do we hit eclipse after we DoT our targets? Assuming no incarn? DoTs , FoE, then eclipse?
exotic perch
if they want to redo that system then the entirety of moonkin will need to change
lofty depot
Do we hit eclipse after we DoT our targets? Assuming no incarn? DoTs , FoE, then...
Probably yes
sturdy pumice
Do we hit eclipse after we DoT our targets? Assuming no incarn? DoTs , FoE, then...
for now yes, you dont really want to be pressing them in eclipse.
royal zenith
I just dont believe anything people say atm about changes is anything but emotions talking
lofty depot
Nodders
jaunty blaze
its literally just not wanting to adjust
whole siren
Glad to see the shaman disc isn't the only one in shambles lol
sullen wadi
I used to love being able to move the bar. Hated the change when they made it automatic, hate this change where now I have a lil CD on an ability I gotta press to go into an eclipse. They bring it back to MOP I'll be happy. Deux ain't wrong, it's emotions, but if Eclipse ain't a theme idk what is. Fat turkey?
exotic perch
the moving bar was cool thematically ill give you that
but the agency you had with it was awful
sturdy pumice
wrath, wrath, dots. trees, incarn, dump ap, convoke, dump ap
royal zenith
I think it's an extremely outdated concept to have something cool thematically and having it be horrendous for gameplay
exotic perch
i remember having to use astral communion then to speed the bar up bc the next damage event was at the wrong part of the bar
royal zenith
especially if you start to raid with somewhat more of an idea
exotic perch
that was awful gameplay
royal zenith
or M+ for that matter
vast summit
wonder if we will have to play around starlord, if you dump down all your AP as eclipse ends, you have 5 seconds before starlord ends to build back up and re-eclipse and start starlord fresh
exotic perch
wonder if we will have to play around starlord, if you dump down all your AP a...
youll pretty much play it the same as now
lofty depot
wonder if we will have to play around starlord, if you dump down all your AP a...
You would rather not spend asp outside of eclipse me thinks
wind quartz
If u think eclipse is the trademark ability or system u like about boomkin, I'm ...
Dunno if I wanna take that from someone into bland, generic shit. The design direction got me totally doomer
exotic perch
pool up before using eclispe then not think about it
lofty depot
Dunno if I wanna take that from someone into bland, generic shit. The design dir...
Eclipse is bland and generic
vast summit
You would rather not spend asp outside of eclipse me thinks
yeah, so you pool to 100 enter eclipse burn down AP, build back up a lil bit and burn down again, hit near 0 AP as Eclipse ends, then stay out of eclipse while you build back up AP as Starlord ends
lofty depot
And it's implementation is and has always been shit
lofty depot
yeah, so you pool to 100 enter eclipse burn down AP, build back up a lil bit a...
Assumption, yes
wind quartz
Eclipse is bland and generic
Well then it reached it's final form of ultimate blandness. That system went through so much only to end up as a generic cd button. It's such a sad capitulation of creativity
lofty depot
U for some reason think eclipse is some cool grandiose buff
exotic perch
thats every spec right now though lol
fossil hemlock
Eclipse is way more interactive this expansion than it ever was in TWW
It's not just "oh eclipse is falling, better precast spells to instantly get back in"
lofty depot
U now think about your eclipse more than before
wind quartz
U for some reason think eclipse is some cool grandiose buff
Well what the fuck is your favorite flavor about moonkin, what's cool right now?
lofty depot
Before it was, hurry and get back into eclipse
nimble tangle
Then don't enter it before you have astral power
even lust is still on? So after first incarnation, fill AP max then enter second incarnation?
fossil hemlock
even lust is still on? So after first incarnation, fill AP max then enter second...
Well you won't do damage if you don't have astral power
So why send a CD?
lofty depot
Well what the fuck is your favorite flavor about moonkin, what's cool right now?
Flavor, that full moon has an animation now and we proc a fuck load of them so I can blind melee again
fossil hemlock
If you think the giga pull will last the second incarn, sure send it. If not, just send an eclipse instead
lofty depot
Big flavor
fossil hemlock
And save the incarn charge for another pull
junior parcel
Well what the fuck is your favorite flavor about moonkin, what's cool right now?
What drew me to it (as a new balance player) was how smooth it felt with all the instant casts, and the general "drop the cosmos on people" theme
lucid olive
Well what the fuck is your favorite flavor about moonkin, what's cool right now?
my favorite flavor moonkin is orange
lofty depot
even lust is still on? So after first incarnation, fill AP max then enter second...
Without simming we don't know
nimble tangle
If you think the giga pull will last the second incarn, sure send it. If not, ju...
Yeah first wave in floodgate I just send 2 incarn back to back
Damage was good
exotic perch
Flavor, that full moon has an animation now and we proc a fuck load of them so I...
we really need the 300% size and damage buff to full moon
nimble tangle
That was the only good DPS I could do
sturdy pumice
Fuller Moon
exotic perch
i just wish full moon as a spell was just a version of shadow crash
fallow sparrow
why is my starfall damaging enemies I am not targeting or party have no aggro on
priory was a nightmare
exotic perch
proccing stellar flare on mobs, 2 charges 30 sec cd only full moon
no more half or new
lofty depot
why is my starfall damaging enemies I am not targeting or party have no aggro on
Which enemies are those
royal zenith
in before first boat
fallow sparrow
around the first buff and up the stairs
royal zenith
nimble tangle
wind quartz
So just the big moon that sometimes happens. I guess our rotation sucks, just produces big ball sometimes
wind quartz
Man, I'm so sad
jaunty blaze
nothing new here so if you dont like it now how did you like it before
its literally the same
except you press the button for eclipse
lofty depot
Weaver being good will make u unsad
lofty depot
We might do no damage right now
wind quartz
It's not the same. They managed to blandify an already iffy experience
lofty depot
It weaver fun
lofty depot
I promise the rotation is no different from..before
exotic perch
best part is you can send all those procs without needing to cast 2 starfires
royal zenith
It's not the same. They managed to blandify an already iffy experience
yes but this is gamewide, that's a change in blizzzard's philosophy
you basically dislike wow now
fallow sparrow
thanks!
lofty depot
What do u think has changed so I can change your thinking
wind quartz
Starfire is a dead button on ST and dryad burst window with double CA is gone. Not saying it was awesome, but it is different
lofty depot
Well playing weaver is different
jaunty blaze
because casting starfire felt so great last season
lofty depot
Tier sets change how we play sometimes
lucid olive
is it
jaunty blaze
to enter eclipse
lofty depot
Season 3 was the first time in a while that that has happened
Starfire has been a dead button in st forever
nimble tangle
I liked S2
lofty depot
Just because u happen to press it 2 times doesn't make it not dead
nimble tangle
How boomie is played
wind quartz
Tier sets change how we play sometimes
Yeah, I hope so but first tier tsets usually are just dmg%
lofty depot
Well our is that, but also random aoe
rocky crag
anybody having issues in this spec where ur procs will sometimes glow in cooldown manager and sometimes will not
its very annoying
lofty depot
Starfall exploded. Surge explode
lucid olive
anybody having issues in this spec where ur procs will sometimes glow in cooldow...
are you using an addon
rocky crag
are you using an addon
no
lofty depot
But the rotation change is that they have new talents being good
rocky crag
only way to fix it too is to reload
lofty depot
We used rattle since fuggn s2 DF
exotic perch
We used rattle since fuggn s2 DF
rattle was a bad talent then and still is
exotic perch
well yea it was op then
vast summit
im probably just reading into it to much, I havnt tried any of the beta. but our 2nd apex talent that does: "Your critical strikes dealt during an Eclipse cause their victims to languish for an additional 12% of damage dealt for 6 sec."
is that burns for 12% of the damage you do in the next 6 seconds from other abilities?
Or is it only 12% of the damage from the ability that crit
lofty depot
Yeah, I hope so but first tier tsets usually are just dmg%
See if u actually wanted starfire to not be a dead button. U would rather empowerments come back
exotic perch
im probably just reading into it to much, I havnt tried any of the beta. but ou...
p sure it works like fire mage ignite
lofty depot
Which is the system I preferred to come back
exotic perch
but only procs when a spell crits
lofty depot
It's ignite ye
wind quartz
See if u actually wanted starfire to not be a dead button. U would rather empowe...
I'm not picky, anything that's actually balance themed so I'm not feeling like a mage in a chicken skin
lofty depot
12% of the damage of the spell, burning. And it stacks from all ur spells that Crit like ignite
vast summit
Ty, i was reading it funny thinking it was a lil damage window
exotic perch
i wish they would dump eclipse and go back to empowerments
could make engaging gameplay loops that way
lucid olive
I'm not picky, anything that's actually balance themed so I'm not feeling like a...
whats the balance theme
fossil hemlock
Stars innit
lofty depot
I'm not picky, anything that's actually balance themed so I'm not feeling like a...
Well blizzord talked about the back and forth of our spells when we actually didn't back and forth at all while they said it
I said if they wanted us to use both wrath and Starfire they needed to give us a reason to.... Which is what empowerments did
royal zenith
hell they even buffed hybrid abilities
jaunty blaze
because its ass?
lofty depot
Big hotw imcoming
wind quartz
everything is solar, lunar and astral themed
Yeah, that's cosmetic. More talking about rotation
exotic perch
yea that giant 2min heal coming in hot
lofty depot
I mean every caster has a cast spell they spam.... Frost bolt wow so frosty.... Fire bolt so firey.... Lightning bolt so elemental
royal zenith
Yeah, that's cosmetic. More talking about rotation
Ill be honest, you have your own definition for a lot of things you spoke about so far
royal zenith
which is fine, but it's just that you liked that version of bamkin more
lofty depot
Not every spec is builder spender like we are
royal zenith
also factually solar / lunar and astral are not cosmetic
fossil hemlock
But come on, we are builder spender cooldown done
Yeah and fire mage is just "combustion pyro done"
You're right
lofty depot
I didn't say we weren't I meant the spending of our spells
lucid olive
which is fine, but it's just that you liked that version of bamkin more
i just perma zone out on these discussions because of this
people love looking backwards
"bring back this bring back that"
cause thats the version they had the most fun with
royal zenith
ya it's every expansion
lucid olive
miss me with the nostalgia bait
lofty depot
I mean last season has been the most fun since DF s1
exotic perch
midnight version is pretty good ngl
lofty depot
But that's cuz big damage numby
lofty depot
Not because it was fun to play rotationally
royal zenith
I think the worst thing to do with a game like this, is to stop letting devs cook
royal zenith
but that's very subjective obv
exotic perch
i just think they need to make cool tiersets and rework some talents to be more interactive
we got so much passive shit
lofty depot
played feral most of prog
Play in a worse guild so u can have fun silly
Also, adept played moonkin all prog
Assert dominance next time
royal zenith
is that really dominance tho..
sturdy pumice
i do like the heart of the wild bear 32% health thing. can actually not die soaking something
lofty depot
Yea gonna be real cool when we have to solo soak something stupid cuz we can
fossil hemlock
Hell yeah
lofty depot
Helya prog
fossil hemlock
I love being useful
lofty depot
Kek
gaunt ruin
I don’t like the eclipse button. It’s not about nostalgia. But the way it was it was better in my opinion.
lofty depot
What part was better
royal zenith
(does that spec actually do damage? I have no idea)
lucid olive
What part was better
the part where the boss did a mechanic and i had to spam sunfire moonfire for 5+ seconds
lofty depot
Because that's just objectively false
wind quartz
Lotta fast food enjoyers in here
lofty depot
Dimmy prog where I can't get back into eclipse
(the stupid buff I have to be in to do damage)
So I run around dotting
"better"
gaunt ruin
Now it feels like a cooldown. Before was like a permanent state. And for now I don’t see a big difference being with a eclipse active or not
royal zenith
it IS a cooldown
gaunt ruin
I know
royal zenith
that was the intent behind the change
lucid olive
if Eclipse is your default state then you have to be tuned low outside of it
Which makes the moments where you're forced to be outside of it a lot worse
lofty depot
99% uptime on eclipse, but rip I got the mechanic so now I'm 95% and won't do damage for 6 seconds wooo
royal zenith
It do be funny though, that with 20 years of iterating on balance druid
lofty depot
When I can then time my CDs for those windows
royal zenith
they still haven't found the perfect bamkin
lofty depot
And now do damage after it
royal zenith
thoughts?
fossil hemlock
None, head empty
gaunt ruin
It’s far from being perfect
royal zenith
well yeah, cause the intent will never be to make it perfect
lofty depot
I don't think any version since SL was perfect. The closest to perfect was legion
royal zenith
they change specs/classes per expansion or what's hot in that time/period
lofty depot
BFA had better empowerments but worse gameplay
royal zenith
it's never the goal to create the perfect spec
lofty depot
Game has been out for 20 years, everyone has their idea of perfect... And every one unforch has the ability to say their opinion
wind quartz
Feels like right now the goal was just to prune and simplify to be easier on the blizz cd manager after the addon apocalypse
lofty depot
U would say that, but we neither got pruned nor simplified
wind quartz
Har disagree..
cloud citrus
ye boomy harder now because you have more things to line up
lofty depot
I mean ur allowed to have ur opinion, ur just wrong
wind quartz
No u
lucid olive
soraka main
lofty depot
U gained a button rotationally
lucid olive
lofty depot
So objectively wrong on pruning
jaunty blaze
lofty depot
Ur playing weaver currently which is less simple than before, and now ur eclipse isn't 100% uptime so now u can choose to use it incorrectly
Just wait til people post logs
I'll ping u
Then ask why they're playing eclipse wrong
cloud citrus
just spam starfire
nimble tangle
cloud citrus
you never want to use wrath
nimble tangle
I already took out wrath
lofty depot
you never want to use wrath
How do u know
nimble tangle
I don’t want more buttons to spam
cloud citrus
unles they buff it by a heap and the 120% more starfire damage is less damage then a wrath
you dont ever use it
fossil hemlock
Out of eclipse is about generating astral power
nimble tangle
Feels like buff yesterday is far from enough
fossil hemlock
Starfire is slow as balls
nimble tangle
Starfire weak asf still
lofty depot
Feels like buff yesterday is far from enough
Ud be correct
fossil hemlock
It's not unreasonable to think wrath might be better to get into your damage window
nimble tangle
cloud citrus
the amount you generate from wrath needs to be a lot more then starfire to even think about that
lucid olive
How do u know
lunation
royal zenith
Wait for sim
hope something weird happens when sims come out!!
lofty depot
Same
nimble tangle
When is sims ready 
jaunty blaze
When it's done
lofty depot
Tomorrow tm
waxen adder
Do you think you will do a compendium video once everything gets sorted out?
lofty depot
When midnight launch gamz maybe will
But that video got out of date after week 2
So like rip
waxen adder
I really enjoyed the last one @lucid olive
lofty depot
He didn't do any more
lofty depot
Missed opportunity
lucid olive
Do you think you will do a compendium video once everything gets sorted out?
not really no, sorry
royal zenith
where's the entrepreneurial spirit
lofty depot
Unforch really
lucid olive
I have too much going on around Midnight launch to bother writing a video script and recording it
wind quartz
U gained a button rotationally
Eclipse isn't new, just the way to activate it. It's streamlined for a noob to get it more easily
Already told you, one of our spenders is dead the entire fight and we lost the double CA burst window that wasn't intuitive
Add natures vigil, renewal, stellar flare, warrior of elune
We can't even cancel starlord anymore
Dunno, feels like one direction
lucid olive
maybe @wicked shuttle can make a video guide
waxen adder
We love that voice gamz
lofty depot
Eclipse isn't new, just the way to activate it. It's streamlined for a noob to g...
One of our spenders is dead?
wind quartz
*builders
wicked shuttle
yeah i plan to
lofty depot
We didn't cancel starlord before
wind quartz
You maybe didnt
wicked shuttle
i think uhhh information is a bit sparse rn without sims
jaunty blaze
Noone used stellar flare
fossil hemlock
*builders
So exactly like in TWW, using a button 2 times to enter eclipse then forgetting it is dead
wicked shuttle
but ill make a vid for sure
lofty depot
Well no, I did
wind quartz
Noone used stellar flare
Hence the prune
lofty depot
But most of the people asking about it shouldn't have
lucid olive
Tettles got more time on hands since no wowhead + I got less time on my hands since wowhead
jaunty blaze
And nature's vigil you just macro and forget about
lucid olive
so makes sense for him to do a video guide innit
lofty depot
I promise more people will mess up eclipse than u think from current
waxen adder
Cool tettles, show some skin in the video pls
lofty depot
And people spend asp outside of eclipse now
wind quartz
I promise more people will mess up eclipse than u think from current
I agree cause it's new, will take a while
wicked shuttle
p sure moonkin is more complicated rn, not less
fossil hemlock
I agree cause it's new, will take a while
People will continue to not pool correctly
Forever
lofty depot
^^^
wind quartz
yeah, probably...
fossil hemlock
And for mushroom situations it seems like we'll also want to use active mushrooms instead of the passive ones
Probably
lofty depot
Tettles propaganda
lucid olive
I agree cause it's new, will take a while
link log
wicked shuttle
i mean maybe that dryad shit was more complicated
but how youre playing rn with weaver and procs is a lot more engaging than previously
lucid olive
i mean maybe that dryad shit was more complicated
tbh that was only complicated for the people figuring it out
royal zenith
just need to seperate tierset shit with base boomkin
lucid olive
and most of what made it complicated was that it constantly changed every 2 weeks
royal zenith
that's why it's more complicated now
lofty depot
Why they haven't changed it... Is beyond me
fossil hemlock
Just play EC moons 4head
lofty depot
Real
royal zenith
thematically fits..
lofty depot
Tettles non-believer
royal zenith
and there's probably people that actually do like it
cloud citrus
space lazers are cool
royal zenith
love space lazers
wind quartz
Mr. cool big moon over there
lofty depot
Type shit
cloud citrus
i better not have a big moon
jaunty blaze
Both cool ngl
fossil hemlock
The people that come in here and say space lazers are cool
But space lazers are cool
royal zenith
i better not have a big moon
dont like looking at full moons?
cloud citrus
;>
wind quartz
Is this talk about weaver really true? Wowhead (our god) still says rattle on raid ST
lofty depot
Mr. cool big moon over there
I've actively not play EC in raid and we had a war on soulbinder
Just so were fucking clear
Fuck ec
sturdy pumice
not really an ec fight in this tier
lofty depot
It was week 2
sturdy pumice
yeah the dh one??
lucid olive
not really an ec fight in this tier
manaforge or voidspire
sturdy pumice
i was talking manaforge
lofty depot
Soulbinder is boss number 3 but #2
lucid olive
soul hunters an EC fight
lofty depot
People played EC on it until everyone got gear
sturdy pumice
i only used ec on the dh fight
lucid olive
People played EC on it until everyone got gear
i guess
but like
you still did 0 dam on taht fight
regardless of the hero talent
lofty depot
Nuhuh
lucid olive
so its not rly relevant which oen was played more
yeah maybe not you since you didn't pull the boss until week 5
lofty depot
Pulled the boss week 2 probably silly
royal zenith
can't wait for wowhead's DPS rankings this week
lofty depot
Why would EC be good at split cleave more so than keeper
sturdy pumice
im hoping its not
fossil hemlock
Why would EC be good at split cleave more so than keeper
Moonfire/arcane mods I guess
lofty depot
Well u said that as a statement
lofty depot
And not a question
lucid olive
that was a 82 when the log was new
lofty depot
So ur bad
lofty depot
lucid olive
nice reclear
lucid olive
so
lucid olive
if we compare reclear kills i can send the 10m pull i had last week?
lofty depot
I did
lofty depot
if we compare reclear kills i can send the 10m pull i had last week?
Well I objectively said weeks after
But go off
dense steeple
i beat gamz on first soulbinder kill?
lucid olive
i did 5.3m
lucid olive
open your log
and the number goes down
mine's an 82 on my page
cause that's what it locked in as
lofty depot
The number I shows on the table is the locked number
The one in the log moves
Silly
lofty depot
Never was
dense steeple
even more than I am!!
i never contested this
royal zenith
alright fair enough..
dense steeple
my parses from last night locked in purple at least
royal zenith
wicked shuttle
What did gary yeet get
lucid olive
What did gary yeet get
coal for christmas
wicked shuttle
Known
flint leaf
is it still using 2nd CA after convoke?
lucid olive
no
flint leaf
then do you use it with your 2nd trents?
flint leaf
and then your ecplises in between your 1st and 2nd trents?
dense steeple
What did gary yeet get
sounds like gaaryeet is shit
lofty depot
those who cant do, teach
tacit oriole
🙏
left sedge
Based on those patch notes, are we barak or is it joever
pseudo merlin
its over
lofty depot
its still over
wind quartz
subjective/timewilltell/whatever you want it to be
pseudo merlin
definitely not subjective
lofty depot
incorrect
stone ocean
How scuffed are we rn
lofty depot
define scuffed
merry ibex
@lofty depot Not quite 55 year old suitcase scuffed but not brand new either.
lofty depot
were like a temu suite case that breaks putting it on the counter, if a used one was doing average damage
merry ibex
wind quartz
pseudo merlin
were like a temu suite case that breaks putting it on the counter, if a used one...
was watching a video earlier of a guy who bought a parachute on amazon and then filmed him jumping from an airplane