#balance

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lucid olive
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cast Wrath and the button enters Solar, cast Starfire and the button enters Lunar

warm matrix
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Interesting, but learning the basics and going for a general understating of balance can’t hurt? I know that frost is changing massively and it wouldn’t be as helpful to learn it before midnight

warm matrix
lucid olive
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especially if you play Elune's Chosen hero talent it's basically unchanged

warm matrix
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So it becomes more of a pure build up AP and spend AP archetype? At least you don’t need to weave in AoE builders in during ST in the future?

lucid olive
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right

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there's a chance you could play around Starweaver talent where you'd use Starfall in ST to fish for free Starsurge procs

warm matrix
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For now I want to learn the basics and get comfy on balance so I can start doing m+ with it. I started with wow in tww s1, didn’t play for s2 until now. I managed to get all +12 on guardian in my first months of wow. It’s still super overwhelming for me. But getting a dps to a lvl where I am not dead weight is my goal now

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I’ll look into the special mechanics once I get the baseline down

pseudo merlin
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IS there still some kind of restriction on cross realm mythic raiding?

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Like I want to make a new char, does it matter which realm it's on?

quiet drift
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No

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Only matters for open world trading

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and sending mail

pseudo merlin
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cheers

quiet drift
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wait no only mail

pseudo merlin
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oh wow, free trade for all now?

woven flint
pseudo merlin
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except for horde and alliances lmao

loud kettle
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cross faction trade works in instances

pseudo merlin
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yeah

woven flint
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even if on different servers ?

quiet drift
pseudo merlin
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yes

woven flint
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o good to know

quiet drift
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Our officers crying that everyone isnt on same realm for payments

pseudo merlin
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yup

woven flint
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i was under impression if in same guild you can mail even cross realm

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or is that only applicable on same account characters

loud kettle
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cross realm mail is pretty restricted

woven flint
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i see

loud kettle
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Mostly just within your own account and even then

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Only like warbound stuff

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And gold maybe?

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But theres the warnound currency thing so mail is a bit pointless for that

dense steeple
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@lofty depot the goods is gone

lucid olive
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i remember having a friend stand perma in ruby life pools while i logged like 20 characters to get all my gold in the same place

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before warbands

pseudo merlin
lofty depot
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gotta keep them guessing

lofty depot
pseudo merlin
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lmao

lament abyss
lucid olive
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we've had some people look at us like wtf is going on

pallid bay
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u just let them trade u if they want their gold

quiet drift
pseudo merlin
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relatable

dense steeple
real flax
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yo, someone have talents to play some m+ in the beta?

elder remnant
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Or that might just be the guild that needs to be same server I’m not 100% sure blizzard like to keep moving the goal posts on that shit

lucid olive
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in eu it's just transferred to big realms

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but warbands exists so whatever

lofty depot
wintry umbra
knotty mirage
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best way to sim dungeons?

lofty depot
delicate perch
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log off

glossy jungle
delicate perch
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sponsored by king tomato 🍅

glossy jungle
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Immediately lost in the casino/gcg

delicate perch
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as it should be

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could've hit it big, next time COPIUM

glossy jungle
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Sep won 18 mil at one of those SW casinos. Bet 9m and won

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The guy logged off

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xd

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-9m

delicate perch
hollow mist
potent cargo
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demon behaviour

glossy jungle
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nah it was blowjob 100

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also known as BJ100 (blackjack 100)

potent cargo
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1 xpac later still on the same time

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acquire gold lose it all

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im gonna have about 40m total when i get released from prison in May

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gonna send it straight in stormwind

glossy jungle
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/roll once or multiple times, get as close to 100 without going over. say stand.
then the casino has to get higher without busting

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i lost 7m to sep in this game. odds are not in my favour

potent cargo
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absolute insanity lmao

spice roost
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on beta do cds for boomie naturally allign now if u take bountyless bloom

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aalso does 1min convoke look decent

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i saw some people running it on raidtesting so wasnt sure

vale pebble
vale pebble
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its weird to explain without u playing it

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but depends how u want to play it

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the more u fuck up the weirder they get

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or sometimes the better you play the weirder they get

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but u can play the like

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1min trees and u can ca on that

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with convoke

spice roost
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ok so my biggest issues with my gameplay and i know its a skill dif thing is i sometimes go into the wrong eclipse and i misalign cds occasionally so i was thinking maybe those wont be as hard toi allign

vale pebble
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but it depends a lot how much u choose to pool

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i think

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on live cds are more dependant on kill timer

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and they are very onedimensional

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on beta they are more esoteric

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ive cooked up like 4 diff ways to use cds on st

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not really fight timer dependant just into a long pull

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also depends which talents u want to play

spice roost
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ok

vale pebble
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but the wrong eclipse one felt better

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on beta

spice roost
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wdym the wrong eclipse one

vale pebble
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a skill dif thing is i sometimes go into the wrong eclipse

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ive for sure played beta

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then went to live

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and bricked eclipse like 3 times in a row

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then went back to beta and didnt brick eclipse

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so that one is easier to do

spice roost
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oh ok

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nice

vale pebble
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if u play it for 5minutes and understand how it works

spice roost
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im about to

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u just start in solar always right so no need to do 2 prepull wraths?

vale pebble
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yea

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those are free anyways

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but u wont get fucked by prepulls anymore

spice roost
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seems alot easier on beta more straigh forward

vale pebble
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yea spec good

spice roost
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i played a little last night

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mplus seems really low compared to some specs but tuning hasnt really been happening yet right

vale pebble
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no clue

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prob not would be my guess but u can never know what they will or will not do

spice roost
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ya

vale pebble
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most of the tuning happens hc week

spice roost
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oh ok

vale pebble
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theres one on xpac release but its generally small

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and they do random shit there

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they have for sure bombed specs there

spice roost
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ya ive seen that

vale pebble
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but in general nowadays they tend to leave everything as is mostly 1month before release

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and tune hc week

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which is bad imo but yea wcyd

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because they want people to know what to play so to say

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they will nerf top by 5% and still be top by 5% dmg and will leave it like that

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but yea tuning doesnt rly matter in raid for most people

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fights matter more

spice roost
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how does the raid look for boomie profile i noticed alot of spread adds in vids

vale pebble
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i think its rly good

crude cargo
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spread aoe is done better by other specs

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no?

vale pebble
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does like everything

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at 80%

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of everyone else

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spec has burst st burst aoe spread cleave

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burst stacked aoe

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kinda everything u want idk

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just depends if they kill starfall now

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which they should

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but if u can play st starfall yea its prob gonna just be good

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but yea theres like

spice roost
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wont that kill weaver

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gameplay

vale pebble
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1-2 classes that have better everything

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but ur 3rd best in everything

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so

vale pebble
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no

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cuz tier set and solstics uptime

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off free procs

spice roost
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ah ok

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i really like weaver

vale pebble
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u can saturate like 30-40%? of that uptime with touch the cosmos

crude cargo
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do we have a log of someone playing weaver on beta

vale pebble
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but shs is a big part of ur dmg

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i have some

spice roost
crude cargo
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can you pass the blunt

vale pebble
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i guess i can not

crude cargo
vale pebble
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lot of shit here

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the funny bird boss

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was like

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immune to sunfire

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for some funny reason

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in intermission

spice roost
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@vale pebbleone last question are we still going to be not using hardly any haste in raid again cause new tier set idk if thats why boomies are using no haste hardly

crude cargo
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ty

vale pebble
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em

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u will for sure want crit

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u will probably want some arbitrary amount of haste

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depending on how u cycle eclipses on timer

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but idfk thats too complicated

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on aoe u get too much ap

lofty depot
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Won't have apex talent yet 🙁

vale pebble
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so idk

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ive thought about it a bit but i have no clue

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i think just a bunch of everything slop

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but will scale less into the xpac

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cause of how capped eclipse is

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cd wise

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u want to just

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dump everything start of eclipse

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and be 5s outside of eclipse

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then everything works out fine

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if u fuck up and dont dump

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u will fuck urself over

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if u have too much haste and are gening too fast

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thats also bad

spice roost
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dump as iin use all cds

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?

vale pebble
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u want crit cause ur crit multiplier

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is absolut crazy

spice roost
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ah ok

lofty depot
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Dump asp

vale pebble
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highest in game for sure dont think anything beats this

spice roost
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oh ok

vale pebble
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ap dump

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end of eclipse

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generate outside of eclipse

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to let the eclipse cd tick down

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so ur not stuck dumping outside of eclipse later in a fight

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ive for sure had it happen where i have no incarn no eclipse for 15sec

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and i wanted to rope

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cause i played bad 5min prior

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works kind of like fire mage nowadays on live

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where ur heavily punished for ur mistakes permanently

lofty depot
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People that used to dump asp at end of eclipse can rejoice now I suppose

vale pebble
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and you can not fix it

lofty depot
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See how it goes

spice roost
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so basicly u wwant to be low on asp going out of eclipse?

vale pebble
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on st i think u want to have as high ap as possible

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without overcapping ap outside of eclipse

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while using ur whole starlord duration

lofty depot
vale pebble
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i was playing with

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400 haste 600-800ish other stats

spice roost
vale pebble
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and that number was around 20-40

lofty depot
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Were u playing weaver

vale pebble
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also depends what talents u were playing obv

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cause some just inject more haste or ap

lofty depot
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Cool funny cosmos weaver plag

vale pebble
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yea

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funny weaver cosmos starfall st

lofty depot
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Ye

vale pebble
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i fucked around with

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st surge goldrin spend procs in starfall hybrid

lofty depot
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Be curious if haste is bad cuz u would generate too much outside of eclipse or not

vale pebble
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i think thats just best pure st

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but its harder to manage solstice

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perfectly

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and theres no pure st fight

spice roost
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so at currnt beta alweays star fall over ss in a fight unless a ss proc from weaver

vale pebble
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u can think of it like that if u want

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its pretty close anyways

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u can do either me thinks

lofty depot
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Get the sune napkin maff

vale pebble
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i napkined it with him

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but it was like pretty close and hard to calculate

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how do u calculate solstice

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and kindling

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oh yea i dont need to cast 4 redots per minute

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nice go calc that

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outside of eclipse even

spice roost
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overrall it seems lie they made the spec simpler to understand

lofty depot
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That feels good, so it's clearly better

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Yeayea

vale pebble
lofty depot
vale pebble
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base level yes i think its easier to understand

lofty depot
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And that all is gonna feel different when u can actually see the fights

vale pebble
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but ive been sitting in funny cd manager for couple hours

crude cargo
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but isnt there like no shot they let us starfall in ST no?

spice roost
vale pebble
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and ive been changing eclipse and out of eclipse timers by 3s perma

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and all my timers changed

lofty depot
vale pebble
spice roost
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i thought so

vale pebble
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in the past

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now idfk

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what current guy thinks about it

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devs changed like

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at least 5 times since sl

lofty depot
vale pebble
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and we got a new one

spice roost
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i meant with eachother

vale pebble
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this xpac cycle

lofty depot
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Just cuz they work on a dummy doesnt mean it's gonna work in a fight

vale pebble
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im 100% sure

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they guy is really good at his work tho

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so whatever this guy wants to do i trust in him

crude cargo
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he's him

lofty depot
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And the sequence changed like 6 times k the first 2 weeks last tier

vale pebble
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only thing u change is where u cut ur eclipse to press incarn

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its more

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when u want to cut outside of eclipse into an eclipse

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that fucks u

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if u have any funny intermission

lofty depot
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Where u can fit an eclipse to either dump a timing ye

vale pebble
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u can cut down eclipses closer to eachother

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or u can cut down an eclipse before incarn

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to buff starfalls

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and incarn overwrite that

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with more multiplier from double eclipse

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and pray u proc a bit

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u like

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120ap

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with a touch proc

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eclipse

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fall fall fall incarn

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and those get buffed by ascendant

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and then buffed by incarn

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cause incarn buff dynamically

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but ascendant is obv snapshotting the 20

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but u do an eclipse in general if u overcap

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so if u have some funny intermission timer where u dont do dmg u can overwrite some eclipses with incarn for a free solar bolt

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then just solar bolt starfall once incarn

crude cargo
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does pressing incarn overwrites current eclipse to grant solstice again?

vale pebble
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so u get a free 8s starfall in incarn

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u just lose 1 tick

vale pebble
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lets say 20s of solstice

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u press incarn

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u go down to 6s solstice

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if that was the question

crude cargo
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ye

vale pebble
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unless gamz is lying

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could be

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i didnt double check

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thats what is written in bug sheet and he wrote that part

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(or was last time i looked)

crude cargo
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so the goal of weaver would be to maintain solstice / stellar amp as much a possible ?

vale pebble
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yea i wrote solstice instead of stellar amp at some point

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i think just the best way to play weaver st is to get 100% stellar amp

crude cargo
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and thats how you know whether to use starsurge or starfall in ST

vale pebble
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and u want to get 2 surges 1 starfall in the first 3 spenders of your eclipse

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because of ascendant eclipses 20% amp

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because starfall dmg is meteorites mostly

crude cargo
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make sense

vale pebble
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and surge dmg is surge mostly

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meteorites doesnt get buffed by it

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but generally u cant get 3 surges in first 3 cause ur playing weaver

crude cargo
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ascendant is just base starsurge / starfall dmg?

vale pebble
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and u will just proc

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yea its base

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think its some like

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additive base with other multipliers or something

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im just saying random words

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but in general what ur looking at here

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is goldrin vs meteorites

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and the amount of spellpower surge and starfall have

crude cargo
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ok ye i see

vale pebble
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in total accounting goldrin and meteorites starfall has more

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by a small margin if u account the fact that it costs more ap

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meaning that u could argue that its not worth playing that build pure st if you want other talents

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because u need to automatically pick up kindling meteorites

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kindling is useful tho

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u need to redot once every 3-4 eclipses

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if u play it correct

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so u gain like 6gcds

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around that

crude cargo
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starfall also procs more free starsurges

vale pebble
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yes

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thats why u want to spend in starfalls

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esp the touch the cosmos procs

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those are rly good on starfall

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even if meteorites were bad

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and goldrin was a bit more nerfed u could spend touch the cosmos in starfall

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if ur in kindling

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so some cooked m+ build in the future

crude cargo
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this build looks pretty good ngl

vale pebble
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to play

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yea its interesting

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but u will lose to it

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its very hard to play perfectly

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u also dont really know what the true correct way of playing it is

crude cargo
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ye ofc but looks engaging

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sim arent fully cooked yet so ye

vale pebble
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at all u mean

crude cargo
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i'm sure ppl starting doing things

vale pebble
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who is ppl

crude cargo
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idk xd

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im hoping someone is doing god's work

spice roost
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so between alligning ca +trees +convoke isnt it easier to use those together on beta i tend to fk that up sometimes on live

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using them together i mean

vale pebble
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or what do you mean

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on live u also use them together

spice roost
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i know but im saying messing that up is sometthing i do on live

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like lining them up

vale pebble
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well ur messing up dryad probably

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which is just different

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didnt u play when rf was a thing

spice roost
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not boomie no

vale pebble
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its the same thing

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ok maybe im confusing u

spice roost
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im saying on live i use cds at some points poorly messing up them so they dont linew up

vale pebble
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yea its easier to line them up

spice roost
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on beta?

vale pebble
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if ur playing 1min trees 2min convoke

spice roost
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ok

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thats what i was curious about

vale pebble
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because u just trees ca convoke

spice roost
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ya

vale pebble
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then u trees at 1min for fun

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then its same shit

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u just need to not overpress ca

spice roost
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ook awesome

vale pebble
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and u will hold trees convoke a bit for ur ca eclipse timer

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so u dont waste

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u will need to trees ca at 1min also

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so that will be delayed a bit

spice roost
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ya so its just trees ca convoke then trees ca then repeat

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?

vale pebble
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u prob play control the dream still

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yea something like that

spice roost
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ok

vale pebble
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u will have some naked trees at some point

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cause u cant saturate with ca

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u just have more frontloaded cas

spice roost
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ah i see

vale pebble
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cause u start with 2 charges

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so it will be smooth early in the fight

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later on u fight for ur life

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for 1 cd

spice roost
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but thats what i was saying overall lining up cds seems way simpler on beta to me

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compared to live

vale pebble
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yea

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i think we have agreed on that one thing for the last 10minutes

spice roost
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oh

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lol

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do u just use eclipse basicly when outtside of ca or is there more to that

vale pebble
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i have explained that earlier

spice roost
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oh

vale pebble
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u need to try it for yourself

spice roost
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ok i have been ya

vale pebble
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but tldr is ur never supposed to spend ap while outside of eclipse

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if ur ever doing that ur doing something wrong at some point

spice roost
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ya so like u said u dump while in eclipse

vale pebble
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yea

crude cargo
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build ap > press eclipse > 2 starsurges 1 starfall ~ > build spend while trying to maintain stellar

vale pebble
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2 surge 1 fall is not mandated by the state

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just depends what procs u have when

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always spend procs

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thats one of the last things ur supposed to think about

crude cargo
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yeah thats why i put the ~ its like good if you can but if you dont its fine

crude cargo
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wouldnt you want to spend the instant cast from entering eclipse there ?

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vale pebble
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ud maybe want to

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eclipse wrath starfall

crude cargo
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yeah im wondering since idk if it loses one instant cast

vale pebble
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not sure tho

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probably correct yes to eclipse wrath starfall

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but yea i was not playing perfect there

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u can also prepull eclipse and shit

crude cargo
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how come?

vale pebble
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theres way more stuff

crude cargo
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eclipse cd reset on pull?

vale pebble
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the funny haste talent when u leave eclipse

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and prepool

crude cargo
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oh yeah

vale pebble
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before eclipseincarn

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that doesnt get wiped on combat start

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and it lasts long time

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but u lose like

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either first solar bolt or 15s on eclipse or something

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small stuff that is up in the air until u get sims

crude cargo
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yep

idle flame
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hello CHICKENS

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Doodle here. Which chicken are you?SuspiciousChicken

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quiet drift
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im the right chicken

pseudo merlin
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im brown

muted citrus
idle flame
maiden pasture
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No glyph of stars GG

pseudo merlin
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glyph of stars is for fakers

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L

crude cargo
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L take

pseudo merlin
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counterpoint: youre french

crude cargo
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counterpoint: you play priest

pseudo merlin
restive jolt
lofty depot
maiden pasture
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me

pseudo merlin
calm ibex
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After the remodel of boomy form boomy form is bis

pseudo merlin
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Remodel made it worse

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goofy ass feet

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please re-do the running animation

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😩

exotic perch
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thats the entire point man

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you wanna play moonkin you look derpy as hell

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its the charm

pseudo merlin
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Yeah I'm fine with looking derpy

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But since the remodel it looks like you're a guy in a suit

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Not a real chimkin

fierce monolith
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How do people feel about boomy atm? i've tried some beta dungs on it and it doesn't seem to be doing good damage and i feel really squishy and it feels like i need to go bear form for most mechanics in a 12 key or higher.

The damage from both starfall and Starsurge seems quite poor atm aswell. Anyone else got some feedback on it?

lucid olive
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What talents are you running and how are you playing it

fierce monolith
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I played EC

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mostly

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keeping good uptime on eclipse etc

lucid olive
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As for needing bear form I suppose that's a mixture of healers having shit UIs on beta and group not being used to when damage is coming out

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Like 2-3 weeks of the season starting on launch and you'll know the dungeons well enough to scale back the bear form uptime

lucid olive
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Spend with Starfall to fish for free Starsurge procs

spice roost
lucid olive
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They really buffed the Hail of Stars feedback loop for Midnight with the tier set and Shooting Stars buffs and the reduced AP gen

lucid olive
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Kindling would still be better

spice roost
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i was wondering why al;l the highest logs on wcl for beta are using it or atleast most of them

fierce monolith
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hmm ok, i'll give it a go, just gotta adjust playstyle abit

lucid olive
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Meteor Storm is for fights like Loomithar or Araz where adds spawn but die quickly

fierce monolith
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Always Lunar eclipse for aoe and solar for ST right?

spice roost
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gams is sculp of the stars never taken it doesnt seem like a good talent idk tho

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the 2sec shorter on eclipse cd one

lucid olive
lucid olive
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I'd bet it's something like Solar and press Wrath up to 4 targets and then Lunar on 5 and more

fierce monolith
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prob yeah

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Deffo felt better with KotG @lucid olive ty

spice roost
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this is what im running on beta atm not sure where last 2 points should go

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for keys

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maybe astral comunion and mushroom?

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or total eclipse

fierce monolith
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Total eclipse should prob take 2 points imo and drop Elune's guidance

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for mushroom

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Depends a bit on dungeon too i guess, if you need more ST maybe goldrinn, but in general i'd do the build Pinned here

spice roost
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i got the build from a log that did 130 on logs 150 ion key seemed good

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pretty sure the pinned build is just a starter build it says its not the best

fierce monolith
#

it does open up for debate indeed, just really liked now when things lived for a bit longer, then i happened to get total eclipe procs

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and it was noticable on the damage

tired terrace
#

Been playing on Beta for awhile. I have been doing a lot of soul searching. Anyone else find Eclipse to be an uncessary complication to the rotation? I know everyone is like "IT"S ICONIC!". But it's really just clunky. We have other actual cd's to spam, tuning would also be much easier for the dev team.

quiet drift
#

6️⃣ 7️⃣

eternal sigil
lucid olive
hollow mist
#

6 fucking 7

lucid olive
#

I said six seven to my 7 year old niece during Christmas and she kept yelling it for a solid 3 hours afterwards

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My poor sister

quiet drift
thorny aurora
vale pebble
ember oxide
lofty depot
pseudo merlin
#

thoughts?

image.png
ripe slate
exotic perch
#

bam solved it

ripe slate
pseudo merlin
exotic perch
drifting nova
nova prawn
#

if im just doing low level (10-12) keys in pugs would KOTG or EC be better?

exotic perch
#

doesnt really matter at that point

#

if group is worse dps wise youll prob get more out of EC

#

if group is better keeper will do better that low

drifting nova
#

EC all day

warm matrix
#

Balance becomes way more mobile in midnight? If I read everything correctly, we get a bunch of instant casts? Is it very noticeable or are we still standing still casting a majority of the time? I just got used to that haha

lucid olive
#

"Way more mobile" is a bit exaggerated probably

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but yeah we gain more instant casts

#

specifically better in raid since you can't get mega fucked over being targeted by some random ability

warm matrix
#

Awesome, I kind of like the more stationary playstyle right now

lucid olive
#

current Eclipse been notorious for forcing you to cycle right when some intrusive mechanic comes

warm matrix
#

But doing mechanics and running out of AP before you are done hurts lol

lucid olive
#

like Ansurek p1 toxin soaks almost consistently happening right as you would naturally cycle Eclipse unless you used your 2nd CA on the right second

lofty depot
lofty depot
#

There's a lot with eclipse currently that is cringe

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Playing frost mage vs boomkin was crazy diff the first time I did p1

drifting nova
pseudo merlin
gloomy crown
#

Used to soak the left soak and just blink over on platforms, boomkin not getting over not a chance lol, plus holding the debuff for two platforms hurt my soul 😂

lofty depot
#

Alter time the push and never die, unless your my guildie who dies on repeat on plat2

boreal knot
lucid olive
#

you have the dot from soaking the orb baits paired with the last knocback

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and you're LOSing your healers cause you let yourself fall down on transition

loud kettle
#

fight bugs out at a high rate when we did the fall tech

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so we just kill before the last winds

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annoying to waste pulls to bug

lucid olive
#

never had the fight bug i think idk

loud kettle
#

it would just not grab people

lucid olive
#

funny

loud kettle
#

so we get 6 dead most of the time

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couldnt fix it so yea, just killed the idiot

pallid bay
boreal knot
pallid bay
#

r-slur

boreal knot
pallid bay
vale pebble
rich jewel
#

Back to g chat

wild dune
plucky valley
#

Perhaps this will suffice

lofty depot
#

Press healthstone

drifting nova
plucky valley
drifting nova
#

BREAD? where

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brother that is cremated

plucky valley
#

The shrimp is laying on a slice of bread

#

It’s brown bread

#

You know what they say: the whiter the bread the quicker you’re dead

drifting nova
#

it's carbon dated to the triassic

plucky valley
#

Can’t argue with that

#

The earth does recycle itself after all

drifting nova
#

If I can admit I can burn peas

#

you can admit you burned bread

plucky valley
#

The bread is brown

#

It was born that way

potent cargo
#

dont show that bread to an american cop they might shoot it

drifting nova
#

dont even wanna ask whats up top..a potato?

#

saddest jacket

stray nova
#

EC or Keeper for m+ on beta

potent cargo
#

(EC)

hollow mist
dense steeple
#

That ain't bread

plucky valley
#

My goodness gracious it’s bread

potent cargo
#

fwiw i'd probably eat it

plucky valley
#

It looks this way naturally although I do agree that letting an American cop see this would be a bad idea

delicate perch
drifting nova
#

thats a chocolate log in disguise

dense steeple
#

It looks nothing like an outback bread slice

glossy jungle
#

Only outback bread i can think of is damper

merry ibex
#

how hard is full moon hitting on beta?

muted citrus
hollow mist
lofty depot
#

but now theres an animation for it

snow elm
#

will ec still be best for m+ in midnight

potent cargo
spice roost
#

Is there a single target dummy in wow that doesn't have ones nearby

lucid olive
#

Yeah lots

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Towers in Dornogal for example

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Or the one in Belameth

spice roost
#

Ty

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Forgot about the dorn towers

pseudo merlin
#

I THOUGHT KEKKERS WAS BEING A MORON

#

I thought your shrimp were laying on like a black stone slab

#

THAT WAS BREAD?

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I was like "damn that looks really good"

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@drifting nova tettleslul

round field
#

Shit looks like a dead sea cucumber

pseudo merlin
#

Nah I was literally ready to tell kekkers off for being a tasteless british idiot who couldn't identify good food if his life depended on it

#

😂

round field
#

Well

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He is a brit

#

So you have a point

pseudo merlin
#

I want to say it's not their fault. But with how much of the world they once controlled idk how they never imported flavor

plucky valley
#

What they NEEE to do is import this thicc juicy ass

#

That’ll fix anything

pseudo merlin
#

They need to keep you away from food that's for sure!

pseudo merlin
#

Anyone know when beta ends

round field
plucky valley
#

Wrong and wrong

round field
#

the world was nicer back then

pseudo merlin
round field
pseudo merlin
#

Oh wait it's the american revolution

#

carry on

round field
#

no..

pseudo merlin
#

yes

round field
#

america was founded in 1776..

pseudo merlin
#

1775 is the start of the revolution

round field
#

oh is it

pseudo merlin
#

yes

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first shots were fired in april 1775

#

can we shoot kekkers first?

#

🙏

round field
#

im down for it regardless tbh

pseudo merlin
#

@drifting nova wanna hang out?

#

damn they captured Maduro

grave raft
#

another NA World First

drifting nova
drifting nova
#

also not a revolution but who is counting shrugeg

pseudo merlin
#

Semantics. The only thing that matters is that you islanders got defeated.

#

Crooked teeth weird talking bland food eating islanders

drifting nova
#

"defeated"

#

need to get the bins in

#

hold the shitpost

lucid olive
#

America breaking from the colonies directly inspired the French soldiers who were there to break free from their monarchy, which happened less than 20 years later

drifting nova
#

doesnt make the american one a revolution

lucid olive
#

Define a revolution

lofty depot
#

france cant do anthing without usa type shit

round field
#

i remember

#

when trump said

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the us and italy were good friends since the time of ancient rome

drifting nova
#

do not ask him to find italy on a map

lofty depot
round field
#

italiy is one of the easiest countries to find...

lofty depot
drifting nova
#

this vene business is really going to make the price of dragon bones go up

lofty depot
#

oh shit

#

on my osrs come up

drifting nova
#

who knew trump would be the one to solve the bot problem

round field
#

can we do france next

#

after venezuela

lofty depot
#

what does france have that we need

round field
#

you dont have to take anything

#

taking it off the map isnt enough for u?

drifting nova
lofty depot
#

is that like 4 countries now?

drifting nova
#

what

#

west france, it's west france

lofty depot
#

doesnt that include wales

drifting nova
#

no

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but thats a given now

lofty depot
#

wales, france, ireland, uk

drifting nova
lofty depot
#

no yes?

drifting nova
#

I could go to north wales right now and pretend I'm on holiday not understanding their language

#

so yes

lofty depot
#

okok

lucid olive
#

But a lot of American symbolism is derived from there

drifting nova
#

when did you last think about it?

lofty depot
#

were in the fall of rome right now

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locken

drifting nova
#

then who is odoacer

lofty depot
#

uhhh, anonymous

loud kettle
lofty depot
#

rome had the same problem

#

human nature

lucid olive
#

every empire is going to fall

lofty depot
#

back to tribes 👀

lucid olive
#

we're already in tribes

drifting nova
#

always in tribes

lucid olive
#

they're just called countries

#

"nationalities"

drifting nova
#

those tribes are still wrong

lucid olive
#

"oh these guys are coming to my tribe but they look different so i don't consider them to be in my tribe" type shit

drifting nova
#

the other

pseudo merlin
#

Greece is the capital of Italy I think

lucid olive
#

the A in AC Milan stands for Athens

pseudo merlin
#

^

#

Athens Croatia Milan

hollow mist
pallid bay
pseudo merlin
calm island
#

Thinking of leveling a new balance druid for Midnight, would NElf be the "most meta" race?

lucid olive
#

Sure

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harronir are kinda cool as well

calm island
#

Tired of troll the transmogs are too shit

lucid olive
#

they aren't trolls

#

their models are more like the nelf model

calm island
#

Oh mb

lucid olive
#

same casting animations as well

calm island
#

Just angery cause i have to show feet all the time

#

Haranir moonkin form looks a bit odd though i cant lie

lucid olive
#

yeah harranir moonkin form is the zandalari form with a different skin

drifting nova
#

and the zanda form is an abomination

#

of the highest order

lucid olive
#

has the same derpy jumping animation

pseudo merlin
drifting nova
#

still dont know what a haronir is

pseudo merlin
#

Those people that live to the southwest of you no?

drifting nova
#

the cornish?

potent cargo
pseudo merlin
pseudo merlin
drifting nova
#

one day we'l get ogre and tuskar

pseudo merlin
#

In my mind there's never anything below wales idk why

#

Then I open a map and I realise there is

drifting nova
#

technically it'd be devon but idk what to call them

#

devonish

pseudo merlin
#

sounds like a pastry

drifting nova
warm matrix
#

How did you guys set up your Keybinds? I’m coming from black desert where you pretty much don’t have an action bar and I struggle to get a comfy setup for balance Druid where I have all the rotational skills close to each other no matter if I’m AoE or ST but still have all the situational stuff close in case I need it. I would love to hear about a few setups so I can make my own better and get more comfy with balance

pseudo merlin
#

12345
qert
fg
xcv

+shift/ctrl/alt mods & every button on naga

drifting nova
#

every button around wasd

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mouse wheel click, up/down

#

never forget tilde

pseudo merlin
#

§§§§§§§§ ?

calm island
#

Is there any way to get glyph of stars in remix?

pseudo merlin
#

I use that for ptt

#

You dont need glyph of stars

#

moving on

drifting nova
#

tilde post sl was my convoke

potent cargo
#

~ is push to talk button need it close asf for when you need to slur

warm matrix
#

The keys itself is one thing, but what ability do you have in what key? I can’t find a layout that follows the rotation fluidly if that makes sense..

pseudo merlin
#

real

drifting nova
#

1-4 important same with qe

#

zx infrequent

pseudo merlin
#

i have SWE keyboard so tilde is §

warm matrix
#

Like having both spenders on my mouse so I can move during mechanics and still be able to cast for example

drifting nova
#

starsurge, starfire, wrath, typhoon are 1-4

potent cargo
drifting nova
#

there is no right answer

potent cargo
#

r / shift r / ctrl r for forms

pseudo merlin
drifting nova
#

Q travel/moon

#

V Bear

#

X bark

#

put the important buttons nearest your resting hand

#

the rest will figure itself out

#

P and L were my very first 2 keybinds

#

back in the day

potent cargo
#

also depends on ur hand size too bc i can hit the ctrl button with the knuckle of my finger so it's easy to press ctrl binds, and i can reach from like... ctrl to 8 in the same bind or from 1-9 normally

#

if u got soyboy hands maybe some binds dont work for you

#

in which case hop on HGH for hand size growth

pseudo merlin
drifting nova
#

6 is the furthest I go (and only on warrior for thunderclap)

warm matrix
#

That’s awesome guys thank you! I’ll look at them all and try out a bit with each and see what I like. I know that there is not the ONE keybind and layout but what works for other people might be good to start with for me

warm matrix
potent cargo
#

everybody holds right click for camera

#

and move with wasd

pseudo merlin
#

?

drifting nova
#

I've known forever to unbind mouse wheel buttons from sunfire/moonfire

potent cargo
#

is what i hope he means to say

pseudo merlin
#

wdym a thing

drifting nova
#

as its bad for wrist but eh

pseudo merlin
potent cargo
#

AD you rebind to strafe left right not keyboard turn

#

please do not keyboard turn

drifting nova
#

wdym strafe

pseudo merlin
#

I tried to have this conversation in ret discord, people do NOT use WASD

drifting nova
#

can you not multitask

pseudo merlin
#

Only mouse

#

I am a WASD + right click enjoyer myself

drifting nova
#

yeah but they are ret plaeyrs

#

they are stoopid

#

wasd + mouse

#

works a charm

pseudo merlin
#

I was like why'd you use 1-5 for rotationals if your fingers are on WASD

#

Turns out fingers rest on 1-5 because nobody uses WASD

drifting nova
#

if you treat your right mouse button like an fps

#

and you can aim like a human

potent cargo
#

also if you get gamer mouse

#

can just do rotational abilities on that 1~5

pseudo merlin
#

IF your fingers are on WASD, please put core abilities around WASD (not 1-5)

potent cargo
#

(which is what I do)

pseudo merlin
#

mouse?

potent cargo
#

(im better than everyone here)

pseudo merlin
#

I did that for like

potent cargo
#

(by a mile)

pseudo merlin
#

2007-2013

potent cargo
#

(because im not european)

pseudo merlin
#

then my hand broke

drifting nova
#

I finally got a new mouse like 2months ago, since 2008

pseudo merlin
#

And I had to stop uputting rotationals on mouse

potent cargo
#

ya i swapped ot it bc my left hand got sore from spamming buttons

pseudo merlin
#

Too much strain

#

Yeah other way around

potent cargo
#

now i do a weird hybrid

pseudo merlin
warm matrix
potent cargo
#

to reduce the damage lmfao

#

you have some ppl who use uhhh

drifting nova
potent cargo
#

QWE and do not have back pedle bound

drifting nova
#

you can do both..

#

if you have a functional hand

potent cargo
#

and rebind ASD for arena

pseudo merlin
#

Unbinding S is goated

#

W is crazy

drifting nova
#

bronze take

warm matrix
pseudo merlin
#

like you need to go to a care home crazy

potent cargo
#

i like s key

drifting nova
#

dont listen to the ret player

potent cargo
#

micro repositioning for mechanics

drifting nova
#

plays ret for a reason

pseudo merlin
potent cargo
#

when warlock stand snear u and presses 3 walls and u gonna get cleaved and they live

#

sometimes u hit the lil s key shuffle tom ove

warm matrix
#

Came here for keybinds, next thing I know is to rebind wasdThumbsUp

pseudo merlin
#

full on backpeddaling is bad but micro movements with WASD while still turning with mouse is big

drifting nova
#

theres a massive difference between unbinding S and just using it when appropriate

potent cargo
#

well

pseudo merlin
#

Use neurallink for movement

potent cargo
#

keep wasd

pseudo merlin
#

Use WASD and all mouse buttons for abilities

potent cargo
#

but please for fuck sake rebind AD from keyboard turn to strafe

pseudo merlin
#

^

drifting nova
#

but idk how strafers do it

pseudo merlin
#

yes you can't have A and D turn your char

potent cargo
#

if thats all u take from this schizofest then you're in a good spot

pseudo merlin
#

that's madness

drifting nova
pseudo merlin
#

Kekkers

warm matrix
pseudo merlin
#

Stop please

potent cargo
#

am i being bated bro wdym

#

oh its kekkers

drifting nova
#

no

pseudo merlin
#

He's baiting

#

stop

drifting nova
#

I legit dont know

pseudo merlin
#

Don't take the bait please

drifting nova
#

I dont use strafe

#

why would I know what it did

potent cargo
pseudo merlin
#

I bet you don't even strafe irl

#

You only make 90 degree turns

drifting nova
#

🤔

#

yes?

#

fuck if I know

pseudo merlin
#

have you ever tapdanced kekkers

drifting nova
#

what do you think

pseudo merlin
#

yes

#

these are my mage binds

image.png
#

does that help

warm matrix
#

So probably smth like spenders on mb4&5 (side buttons), generator on E R, q moonfire while pulling, 1-4 for bark, sunfire, and other more often used stuff?

drifting nova
#

2lines deep

#

and thats illegal

warm matrix
#

To keep it on topic for me

potent cargo
#

jesus christ

#

how do u fucking see anything

pseudo merlin
#

Relax I play the game with actionbars hidden

#

I'm not a caveman

drifting nova
#

why are E and R swapped

#

in terms of times pressed

#

do you even play mage

potent cargo
drifting nova
#

like putting typhoon on E

potent cargo
#

thing u gotta think about ig

pseudo merlin
#

my ui in raid combat

WoWScrnShot_071723_233706.jpg
potent cargo
#

mhm mabe its ok

warm matrix
potent cargo
#

tbh i would just recommend do some keys or fights with a bind setup and you will realize after doing mechanics

#

if a setup/combo is mega fkn cringe

drifting nova
potent cargo
#

like i hated pressing WD+5 at the same time so I move my 5 bind to my f and suddenly it feels a lot better

warm matrix
#

I’ll have to see what feels comfy while moving and doing stuff not only standing still and casting

pseudo merlin
#

I mean I'd advise against mouse button rotationals because in my experience me and everyone else who used to do it had hands/fingers starting to hurt

potent cargo
pseudo merlin
#

but like w/e just play and change it later or something

drifting nova
#

sunfire up, moonfire down, starfall click

pseudo merlin
drifting nova
#

til my hand breaks

pseudo merlin
#

sometimes mans gotta heal

drifting nova
potent cargo
#

no

#

no off healing required

#

healers get better

pseudo merlin
#

Bro

potent cargo
#

sylvannas mythic prog assigne to hotw off heal

#

i press one wild growth and then go back to dmg

pseudo merlin
#

You have no idea how many keys I had to deplete my mana

potent cargo
#

there is no regrowth spam coming from my hands

pseudo merlin
#

I've been through some stuff

#

I've seen some things

drifting nova
#

oh my regrowth is G

#

for some reason

potent cargo
#

mfw 14th on damgur

#

retbala shit or you just bad

#

i wouldn't have even posted a screenshot if i wasn't top dam

drifting nova
#

especially not dead

#

bubble once

pseudo merlin
#

Ret was so fucking bad in that raid

drifting nova
#

bubble again

pseudo merlin
#

and then every raid after

#

until today

potent cargo
#

wait wtf

#

this is sarkareth

pseudo merlin
#

yes

#

look at the hp

potent cargo
#

screenshot from 3 years ago

drifting nova
#

well yeah melee in general is balls

potent cargo
pseudo merlin
#

That was like HOF range

#

and we wiped on 500k

potent cargo
#

that's grim bro

pseudo merlin
#

then we trolled for 4 weeks

#

😂

drifting nova
#

bring a real spec not ret

#

you kill it

potent cargo
#

i think our lowest wipe on a proper boss was like 80k hp