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DG was better back then
3 more months, trust
Dg went downhill when oi first got expert, thoughts?
orange name oi was bis DG era
oi who
sup sune
sup bhased
thats a long gif
is balance druid in midnight (beta or whatever) more fluid/enjoyable than live for those who have tested?
i guess im asking for those who have played
becaue knowing the changes/watching it are very big differences
from playing them
its still the builder spender spec at its core
you just have more control over when you want to enter eclipse
dont get those "oh would be nice to have eclipse 5 sec later here"
idk, i personally just was used to offsetting, but glad to know I can do it without actually losing dps
so thats a big big change
@noble spindle stop dming me about horse girls
and help me with boomy
well if u went into lunar with new eclipse it would still be worse
for aoe?
or just for st
i mean you cant really offset eclipse currently
unless you afk
and afk not very bueno
oh its you
uh
heard some things about an eu boomy saying u cant offset
idk man
just time it
i dont play this game
well likely in general if u offset either way its just worse
but yea i was talking st
when was 1st season
last time i played
games been bad, devs been bad
no enjoyment
only suffering
press starsurge, talby my beloved, fix servers now
tragic
game is sick
boomkin not bottom damage
havent played since s1, so im speaking from s1 exp, game was bad, so i quit, devs didnt listen

dont worry, our dev listening
locken


idk if new dev or old dev
but i like current dev
he seems nice
depends when u want to start the timeline

didnt log since october, actively argue about the game online
maybe

4 people need mounts and those same people die to the same mechanics every week on nexus king
log off man
"first person out of the 4 to die don't get a mount" watch how fast they learn
havent logged in a month ๐ฅ
im sitting in bear form all fight
problem?

seasonal game playable half a season moment
seasonal game playable for 4 weeks moment
gotta raid log for mounts ๐ฅ
on the bright side, ion killing weakauras means we don't need to suffer with computer component pricing
ya i rebuilt my ui from about 80 addons and 10,000 weak auras to I think 6 addons so far
could sell my ddr5 and put some ddr4 shite in there and have 0 issues
i rebuilt my ui by uninstalling the game
nah i think donezo
i gotta hit the reset button at some point too
havent raided in like a month
pogg


AI slop addon or blizz default performance
turd sandwich or giant douche
need the login gif but uninstall
my goat
It feels so good having upgraded my PC at the start of the year not dealing with all this
You mean 9800x3d or
Mean 9950x3d or
How does balance druid feels in midnight ? Pressing eclipses...
question, shit...
Rude gamers
2025 dg
2026 will be different trust the process
Rude gamers
gonna learn boomkin just to help the newbies in here
someone gotta do it . . .

Chat where are we binding the new Eclipse button and is it replacing an old keybinding
new bind
What key
you have to bind it to scroll down otherwise it doesnt work
Noted
Bound to starlord cancelaura
Dont need that one anymore
stellar flare
scroll up 
macro to wrath
Replace your Kindred Spirits button with it
MMO mouse? ๐ง
Usually people arent pressing f7-9 outside of RTS'
when i started in Nathria i had Starfall on F4
before ever getting mmo mouse
had to rebind on Council of Blood cause it was impossible to do the circle around the boss while pressing it..
Use on have Starfall on T
Started hurting in DF
Swapped to 1 after Stfl got gutted and felt like a whole new world
i had Starsurge on F3 until like midway through VOTI
which was crazy since i had E not bound to anything..
thats insane
I don't have T bound to anything
can't reach it
or well, its uncomfortable to reach
Have Convoke there now
convoke is shift f
i'm a sucker for shift modifiers
cancel SL is F6
so the furthest button on the bottom row on the mouse
idk how people do 12 side button mouse
tried it like once and can't do it
Used to have one and used 4 buttons
glyph drifting a clutch call that shift G
Anything you press more than once every 10s should not be on a Shift modifier
agree
me when i have to press ctrl 7
5 is typhoon
i have buffs on f keys
Just a question of ergonomics and genetics
f1 raid buff ye
Also keyboard size
and the keyboard u have
but never rotational abilities
Shapeshifs are on F-keys
yea no
that too
Don't have anything on F keys anymore
75% keyboard op B)
Idk the %s but is that regular minus num pad
If so I agree
u can get a macro for it
in all forms
Okay TKL is 80% keyboard, thats bis
why tho
when you switch form you have a new set of binds
tettles level to bind moonkin form on every human form keybind
Pressing Moonkin Form while in Moonkin Form cancels your form, doesn't cost a GCD and doesn't cancel your cast
yea i had moonkin form on e
that doesnt cancel when u press it
and ctrl e to cancel moonkin form
to shift out of roots and shit
๐
That shit can be so janky
I had Wrath Starfire bound on human form but no Starsurge
On Ansurek you would cast Wrath as the roots go out, then cancel form halfway thru the cast and get shifted back at the end of the cast from Fluid Form
Then spend as you move out the puddle
so the pressing of the Moonkin form bugged out fluid form and just made me do nothing
very cool
sometimes its also not worth to like
re moonkin
if ur in m+ cancel something and ur at the end of the pack
its only 15%
unbelievably niche use
it is indeed
or if u have 2 slows or roots u need to cancel
or a slow dot or something
cancelaura
wait 2s
moonkin form
and u get rid of 2 instances
wouldnt it work to go bear and boomkin again
Sure but just more of a loss
if ur mid wrath
u can just cancel form
and it doesnt cancel wrath
u do lose the 15 on that one tho but who cars
for like 1/2 gcds i dont mind the loss
Sure but were talking optimization
we were talking binds but ig
Conversation was about what buttons you can and should press
ye and having a moonkin form bind in your moonkin form bars is optimal
yea idk what correct form binds are
u want them to be close
but u dont have space for them to be close
kinda sucks
i just use the ctrl 1-4 for my forms
half of them are also situationally irrelevant
never bothered changing it
i used to have like
i feel like ctrl + numbers isnt good feeling to press
cat wheel travel shift e moonkin e bear wheel
alt + numbers is easier for me
scroll up/down you mean?
yea
i have things there already
u need(ed) for trinkets
I can only press like Alt 1-3
up is vortex and down is trinket
alt 4 feels like im twisting my thumb
dont u press alt with thumb
or how do u press it
Yes
just use alt 1+2 for healthstone and health pot
and I have to strech index
have some alt+mouse buttons for niche stuff like flap or my opie wheel
flap on wc keybind
highkey
mb4 is bis for wild charge
Thats why it feels good
but u dont have mouse where u want it then or
like lillie clicking on frames
uve seen that right
I dont get tremors when pressing mouse buttons
- I just tab target a lot
Tab targeting while wild charging type beat
why does tab target matter
Why else does "having mouse where u want it" matter
@lucid olive did they fuck up tab targetting on beta btw
on moonfire
have u seen that
when u turn around wc front
or side
no clue i haven't really played in like a month
its been
always fucked idk
do u tab moonfire
it used to go to non moonfired target
no i play whack-a-mole on nameplates
Bind talks my favourite
Cause I get to post my binds and they're like the worst possible binds a human could have
you're not a human
you're british
D:
Did you use to pvp?
so the like cat form, regrowth, bear form all come from there

There is logic in ur bindings
some crazy keybinds
or perceivable logic
2 2 E R and then
Shift 4
Alt Q
Z
all at the same time ๐ญ
yeah
why do u have surge on z
easy as fuck to press
shit binds for the love of the game
ring finger down a bit
๐งโโ๏ธ
yeah
thats crazy work
thats tilde for me
then shift->< is deafen/undeafen (nordic keyboard so theyre next to each other)
tilde used to be cancel starlord for me but i moved that to f1
sadly i need to agree with brown amogus
blue moon event
Sadly i need to also agree with brown amogus
on mute unmute
ofc
if ur push to talk
push to talk enforcers are rotted out the brain
u dont have friends
in seppy my guild forced push to talk in raid unless u were an officer
everyone u play with is a business partner
raided in a guild for a bit that forced push to talk as well
my caps lock key did not enjoy that tier
really awkward cause caps is also my extra action button
then got complaints that i didn't call if i needed backup...

wanted to throw hands

Using push to talk is harder than doing boomie rotation...
not necessary at all tho
yeah foot pedal is the only way i'd ever push to talk
every guild has people they wish they could force push to talk on tho thats for sure
my GM uses V for push to talk so sometimes he'll just send vvvvvvvvvvvv in chat
Only issue with mute unmute is that sometimes the racial slurs drop in voice when u think ur muted
the classic
just don't be saying slurs..
how
not possible
but yeah i did yell "THIS IS SO CRINGE" during raid testing when i thought i was muted
to 18 americans i have no relation to
Mby in the next life
if someone does that in my guild then everyone just starts laughing usually
yeah we all laughed
I do this every on every mistake
Got some HR complaints from mister raidleader...
tyrant raidleader..
them raidleaders. . . .
the worst kind of people are the ones that just like
audibly sigh
every death or wipe
oh yeah for sure
the worst thing i know are the "i don't want to be here but i'm here anyway" raiders
when you get to the last boss
yeah legit
that shit pisses me off so bad
when you die you are already tiled enough and someone sighs on top
Thats why u blast music on 200
Me on Warlock duty
Never bothered
iqnious
HEY
i cant listen to music and play at the same time ๐ฅ
"yeah actually i wanted to make that mistake and waste time from 19 other people"
Wtf
crazy
me when i say yea i can go warlock ๐ฅ
just the voices
i can't listen to music and listen to draco raidlead at the same time (so i usually choose music)
If i dont have music on i can hear raidleader and he distracts me
Ye playing the spec
on actual bosses
vs target dummy
quite different experience
havent raided for like 2 weeks now, kinda looking forward to next reset..
Dimensussy got hands
we are done raiding until prepatch
I havent raided in 2 months
๐ฅ
Very vibe
u still want mount at some point before patch or
when is prepatch
this next and one after
do you rate the rat
mount still drops normal rate
tahts why we have 6 buyers already
even in prepatch
i see
If you can fit me in sure
If not i wont hold it against u
scaling
Bro got booted up
holy shit
and a week later was in the assignment sheets
battle res soaking machine

cant bring my alts in main raid else we lose my raidbuff
think i killed 6/8 on like 6 characters
then nexus king on 2 characters and dimmy on 1
its tuf
mid
cool dragon
fyrak mount gaps
voidy
fyrakk clears tho
fyrakk is an outlier tho
best mount they made
the mount is Nexus King dragon innit
I dont have fyrakk mount 
thats aotc
aura 100
ah
wat
๐ญ
how can u even play druid
without it
Me too
I just use the other owl
๐โโ๏ธ
I was
bro
I quit farted season methinks
And then wasnt available when you had a spot
ill pull out the sheets
Or something
Ye
then it makes sense u dont
that kat looks so sad
Quick question. Do people enjoy having two dots you need to apply? Would you lose enjoyment of the playstyle if there were just one dot like moonfire?
Spec does not need less buttons..
I've not tried it in midnight yet, but I certainly have my keybindings very full as a druid
could certainly do with freeing up a space if I'm gaining an extra button in midnight
also
do we think more buttons = more fun? my point is sort of, are there buttons that are just there and necessary but not fun and bloaty, which could be removed or replaced with more engaging and fun buttons
whats a fun button
well, that's subjective. I like demonhunter eyebeam, convoke, feral frenzy, evoker eternity surge
Then play demonhunter
yeah its subjective cause convoke fucking stinks
Yes there do be buttons that ur supposed to press
the most fun button is top right of your spellbook isnt it
DF eclipse was so engaging we ignored it and just pressed wrath for a whole tier
and if you count all the talent changes we're technically -1 button from live
+1 eclipse -2 stellar flare warrior of elune
if you count renewal we're actually -2 buttons from live
true, and yeah I will definitely miss renewal
why
it's a great spell in pvp
L
saved my skin a number of times
L
did anyone actually use stellar flare? O.o
yeah Stellar Flare saw some use in this expansion for Keeper single target
until they buffed Wrath with 30% halfway through Undermine
sim question
as keeper u always took it
maybe tank kiting will come back and u can use trees for taunt
yeayaeyaeyeayea
kinda sad - it was nice having one talent tree that was all trees and summons and the other that was all moonlight themed
with it smack bang in the middle so early on, seems odd to not take it
i mean that hasnt changed
I really hope they make the elune spec good in single target too
u dont need to take the spell to get down the tree
himothy
ur the only person that wants that
naww
both specs should be competetive in both single target and aoe - it should be a flavour and fun choice
no
why
you can progress down the tree without it
I suppose it depends on your content too
if you're doing solo / delves / pvp, probably a very different mindset to people who are hyperfocused on raid and m+
i don't think you'll take trees as EC in any of those..
solo and delves just kite with vortex, typhoon and roots
and theyre useless in pvp..
I donno, if you're lucky and you summon trees then shadowmeld, people might pile their cooldown ability into a tree instead of you
also may be useful to prevent flag caps when you're stunned
Where's the pic
That's crazy good wow
I felt so bad man
We were like half way through the line work and he goes "yeah this is my first tattoo in 7 weeks I've been on hospital bed rest eating smoothies through a tube"
Like bro why did you agree to this
He's off the tube now gotta get back to normalcy
Dr said he could do 1 or 2 a week so he chose my request as his 1
Because of his recovery his estimated time was really off too
He estimated 4 hours as his normal pokeball time and we did 7
Jeeez
its my favorite pokemon of all time unfortunately
Couldnโt even do the eevees Iโm a absol lover
gotta get the bag
Mega absol z is pretty sick
cool
i feel like something is off though
needs some depth for the cracked window effect or something
Hello, Could someone recommend an ElvUI profile? Thanks
Thx
Hey guys, I tried a quick google and didnโt come up with anything so I thought Iโd just ask here.
As a tank player, how can I make a boomkin the happiest laser chicken?
Like chain pull? Biggggg pulls? Keep things stacked up in the closest pile possible and donโt move until they dead?
It was his first one like that so he did his best with it and honestly im happy with how it turned out
slowly bring in a lot of packs while having enough threat that moonfire doesnt rip it
yeah u should be its cool ๐
keep adds spread so other dps cant cleave them so boomie can pad
think theres better spread cleave classes currently
EC starfire stonks just get a bunch of adds stacked
thats moonkins niche
Does anyone have a good beta M+ build export?
thanks king
pins might be outdated
good thing with beta just pick something urself and have fun ๐
also fuck beta we got tennesse vs illinois rn
unc status gif
holy fuck im elderly
can hear this
granny or 
Happy new year too
fav resto druid other than matty
insanely low bar
I'm a real sweetheart tho
nicest OCE player
nance is the goat
Does anyone know what optimal end game dps is for balance druid? Mine is ilvl 727 currently quick simming at 5.143 million dps
Mine is actually simming 5.167
5.6 >
show sim
Why are we simming single target ec?
Oh idk I wasn't sure how to sim for a mythic plus
Theres a short guide you can lookup on dreamgrove.gg
Link > picture. But yea simming EC on st and wanting an m+ result isn't a thing
The m+ sim is in the faq
@ It looks like you have pretty intuitive stats for Raid (Single Target), but a bit of critical strike goes a long way in Mythic. The sim unfortunately arranges a number of Procs as if they can be cast at will which distorts what you could reasonably achieve, for this reason, your ideal stats may differ from what the sim suggests.
I recently brought my crit up from 9% to 16% and with that, my average zonewide (intuitive tank pulls , no supporting classes) went from about 5m to 8m+.
Dude, what?
Me when i make shit up
u have too much haste
Im building a Mythic set still, I began with a raid set. So im explaining to someone in the position I was just in, what is working for me.
U dont spawn 3 million dps out of ur ass by getting 5% more crit
Yes, on a boomkin, you do.
xd ?

no u dont
And if you need to see it on a website first to believe it, lookup the 4k Boomkin on Murlock io
murlock io hell ya
look murlok io . . .
i cba, go to sleep
Goodnight arctic
Yep
gn buddy
Wdym yep u rat
you wouldnt get it iqni, you aint 4k
crazy ragebait ..
heckin "first boomkin" on murlok (not 4k btw) is rocking 9% crit
The fuck is a zonewide
Raid ST with Keeper wants practically no haste, with a bunch of Mastery into generally equal parts crit/vers, and M+ as EC wants less vers and more haste, but still mainly mastery
Just yep I agree with whatever heโs saying
Not reading that essay
This would also be reflected on a sim
Overall?
I assure you whoever is a 4k io moonkin is deciding their items based on their sim
So looking at their character as a template for yours instead of simming your own is incredibly stupid
no, the sim unfortunately arranges a number of Procs as if they can be cast at will which distorts what you could reasonably achieve
Thats a sentence and a half
But you could also just gear from vibes who cares it's week 200000
Yeah I wasn't going to comment on the fundamental misunderstanding of how sims work
Im gearing up my bg3 character
did you check murlock io ?
What class
Sorc
Warlock seemed kind bland
Just press eb every turn
Snooze
I tried playing wild magic sorc but every time it procced it completely fucking griefed me 
Like yes i totally wanted my entire party to be turned into fucking cats
That's funny
๐
how did you get this photo of the back of his head
secret
Who let him cook
My zonewide damage went up to 13mil when I plugged in my intuitive keyboard
Zorthas v Redfern station
losing the battle against ddr rn
praying for him
test the limits
i coulda sworn it was warden

but seems liek anyone can say it
Literally best content possibly is the random unhinged streams
Think warden bot has been gone for a while
But there's still some automod stuff in
Like the word you Aussies love to say that the mods are repressing
@delicate perch zorthas the only person who can make a human interaction the same difficulty as a mythic end boss 
Need a myth busters to see which is more difficult for him
I love that searching his name brings this
nah they unbanned the c word
Which word, say it
woah
2025s you ainโt gotta do it to em
Cant but swap a vowel
wdym u cant
Cunts the lot of you
Did Pepsi finally get himself shot?
Like irl or
Hes still in disc so at most hes just timed out
I just saw people talking about mods and needing to regulate language so I assumed pepsi did something stupid
its a fair assumption tbf
Colored name privileges
Warden is dead
are u sure
i will type funny word now and see
great
now i get a warning

try it again just to be sure
Baited
wtf is this thing
why is POE2's druid bear form a flying mount
Wtf are you posting
i swear for like so long acoustic was silenced so just very surprised lmao
RIP warden they was da goat
Fancy shop mount idk
Hes really tired
ah
ai is a mistake
so is the uk
fake country, true
just saying you shouldve conquered the sheep fuckers

rip the 5-0 ashes dream
so true bestie
I know is to early to ask this but I just don't understand it, how are we supposed to use the new eclipse do we align it with our incarn or when are we using it?
hmm
if incarn gives lunar AND solar... and ur eclipse gives lunar OR solar why would u press eclipse before ca
well tbf
it could be an increase to do so
both cuz of the cd and the bolts
but its a sim question
some shooting stars memery shite
i just wanted u to think about it
I know but I just don't know when we are supposed to use it, sorry I am dumb and don't understand it but I rather ask and understand it than don't have a clue
dont worry, we dont either
ur asking sim questions
Ok so I don't worry about it and I wait for the expansion to launch and we will see
we will know before that
Ok I will keep myself updated this expac I was forced to play tank but my love is balance druid
its good to think about and u can actually mess around with thought process with the timeline on dreamgrove.gg
I love how we went from "stupid question" to "tbf it's not a stupid question, we just don't know"
What a banger to start off the year

happy new year @lofty depot
say it back
and you @lucid olive
@elder remnant is it new years over there yet ? happy new year
HAPPY NEW YEAR RAVEC
NEW YEAR NEW YOU? NAH NO WAY
YOU GONNA BE THE SAME
||LAKERS||
THAT YOU ALWAYS ARE
I hope you don't change G
hehhee happy new yr g
Itโs BEEN new years lmao
Almost the 2nd
Happy new year Ravec ๐
@potent cargo you coming back to wow or what
maybe idk
been too busy funding half of australia's centrelink budget with my taxes
Why don't yall put the kangaroos to work
too strongk
Learning Balance, but my brain fries during intense mechanics. I want to use Single Button Assistant as a crutch just for those specific moments (heavy AoE/boss mechanics) so I don't miss kicks. I am having trouble focusing on the game while still maintaining a good rotation. Itโs fine on dummyโs, but once I enter m+ I fuck up a lot.
What's the best way to prep the rotation before letting SBA take over? Is it better to manually handle the full Opener + Burst window first and only use SBA for the maintenance/filler?

one button wont press any cooldowns
how are you ever gonan get better if you use the bot to do ur rotation for you
you get overwhelmed because u are not practiced enough
exposure makes u better
Nvm, alright, I get it.
Mood
If you genuinely want to learn to be good at balance Druid then commit to learning the rotation. If you care more about hanging out with friends and not being a brick in their keys, and not improving at the spec then experiment with the OBR.
Alternatively play healer and be free of all interrupt responsibilities ๐
I mean that's what he's saying isn't it
The only cooldown youโd need to remember to press in keys is likely just celestial alignment if youโre playing elunes chosen, so thatโs not too hard. And multi dotting the packs idk if the assistant does any of the tab target stuff
He's asking how to set it up regarding the things it doesnt use
2025 and we still can't read in here ๐ฉ
Yeah idk why this discord is so averted to players that may not be aiming to do top end content
Toxic elitists all of them smh
But OBR definitely doesn't teach you how to play, just like hekili doesn't, IMO
Iโm guilty of it too but lately Iโve been embracing the fact this game wonโt keep getting content without those players
But I guess it will help you take 1 mental load off while you're learning other aspects of gameplay such as mechanics etc
then once you can do mechanics with eyes closed you can focus on rotation
Personally I'd start the other way around though
It does become a crutch
I first started playing Boomie with Hekili and it was pretty hard to drop it when I got used to having it so Iโd recommend against it if you ever want to play the game past your weekly vault keys and heroic raiding
The answer to the second paragraph is yes btw
Oop good catch mb didnโt answer the mans question
I tried playing with hekili earlier this year
maybe it takes getting used to, but I found it so fucking hard
Lmao howโd you find it?
Reacting to things constantly is so much harder than knowing what to do next
I genuinely found it incredibly difficult
Yeah itโs actively detrimental in certain scenarios too and I found myself using more brainpower to mindfully override what it was telling me to press than just knowing the rotation
could easily parse 99+ using hekili on a melee with perfect uptime
I figured if I knew I was meant to press something else then the bot wasnโt actually helping and I was just freeing up mental bandwidth of my keybinds and that was it
Yeah maybe I would need to use it more and really get into it
I just felt like it was super difficult initially
And like it would be easier to just learn a spec instead
Than to get used to whackamole reacting
But maybe I'm also just super smart
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I just liked it because of my health conditions some days I get really awful brain fog and constantly forget my keybinds
being a girl is not a health condition Rae
was that like early on only
Yeah
shit I dont even know half those acronyms
Sometimes I turn it on if Iโm having a shit day and Iโm playing an alt but I can play Boomie with my eyes closed
Same
5 = filler ST, 3 is filler AOE, 1 spender ST, 4 spender AOE
F interrupt
R wild charge/movements like blinks and dashes
Q for instant self heal, shift Q health pot
I never liked numbers for rotationals, I use them for cds
So my hands donโt cramp too much
Iโd use T and E rotationally if I could start fresh though youโre right
I actually did change my binds drastically multiple times over the years(decades)
like i used to be an mmo mouse rotational gamer
but my hands couldnt do it anymore
now my mouse buttons are for defensives, utility
idk how hard that'd be for you but id recommend not shying away from improving binds
took me a few weeks to fully settle into them every time I did though
Yeah was thinking of doing it in midnight
Binds are personal as long as you dont use f-keys for your main abilities you should be fine tbh
Alt-x is a goated healthpot key and that's a hill i'm willing to die on
you'll die on that hill miserable and alone
Is it best to spend your gcds in m+ with moonfire while the tank is pulling so you can start bursting once everything is pulled? Or what do I do while the tank is gathering aggro and clumping the mobs?
yeah start spreading Moonfire when the tank is gathering
then Sunfire when its all stacked
Wraths during the last 2 gcds before the burst to enter eclips?
then finish off spreading Moonfire on whatever mobs don't have it (but don't spread to shitter mobs that die in 5 seconds)
not if you have Incarn available
Ahh true
Just finish spreading dots and press FoE -> Incarn+Starfall
You can technically enter Eclipse before you've entered combat and be in Eclipse while spreading your dots, but it takes some awareness and comfort
It's all about minmaxing your
Dreamstate stacks
Iโll take a look at that but I want to get the basics down for now
Not dropping into the wrong eclipse or overlapping on AP is a good goal for me at the moment
yeah, none of that will really matter for Midnight anyway
yeah these are good fundamentals to learn
won't be able to enter wrong Eclipse in Midnight either
I figured I start learning balance fundamentals now and once I get an idea I start to look into stuff for midnight
only real change is Eclipse becoming a button and not a passive
Oh, so you donโt have to wait for 2 wrathโs for example to start using AoE builders anymore?






