dotc has some defensive percs
#balance
spice roost
maiden pasture
feral is stupidly tanky
maiden pasture
feral players are just bad
round field
Mhm
sudden flame
royal zenith
it's the same perception as Max saying that Devastation evoker is one of the tankiest classes (if played well) in the game
just based off of feeling
dense steeple
Right where we belong at the top||inverted||
pseudo merlin
it's the same perception as Max saying that Devastation evoker is one of the tan...
So like
Vibe wise bamkin is tankiest?
I just have to will it into existence
royal zenith
hell yeah
imagine ret paladin, dk, havoc dh, warlock, mage existing
and you call a devastation evoker the tankiest in the game
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drifting nova
Americans arent thats for sure
eager raft
So many dog shit players because BM hunter is crazy tanky
But these morons still find a way to die
novel mantle
But these morons still find a way to die
Lmao
hollow mist
But these morons still find a way to die
average bm main
spice roost
theres so many bm hunter causes its ez it just attracts bad players alot i think
quiet drift
eager raft
theres so many bm hunter causes its ez it just attracts bad players alot i think
Yeah thatās probably the case
eager raft
I havenāt played new surv on beta yet idk much about it
But it seems fairly different
spice roost
its just tip everything not worry about energy have range on every ability except one and more tanky then live
pretty fun fluid aswell
spice roost
I havenāt played new surv on beta yet idk much about it
did u see the new hunter mark buff
raid buff
eager raft
did u see the new hunter mark buff
Yeah thatās a sweet change
Finally a real raid buff
spice roost
yea
plucky valley
I love being a balance Druid main
craggy sonnet
Triple Hunter on council fight, or?
spice roost
i could see thaat with the new buff who knows
maybe
if that fight is hard
tuned well ect
livid jay
think i made my own realised it aint that deep
but how do we get an ap bar
personal resource display?
lofty depot
Dominos iirc
livid jay
i thought we were supposed to be no addon gaming
lofty depot
Maybe dominos is just bars
lofty depot
i thought we were supposed to be no addon gaming
Nop, now ur a lot of addon gaming
Instead of just 3
spice roost
Sensei resource display addon
lofty depot
Ah that too
livid jay
what are these settings xD
why hide both
let me hide JUST health
useless setting š
lofty depot
U'll likely likely have to wait til closer to launch for any packs
And pray the normal people make theirs
But if u have to download 7 addons and then custom settings for each one, it's likely gonna be tough to recommend and post info
lofty depot
People see weakauras said they're not making it and that's the like 90% of what they use
lofty depot
Sure but u didn't read the last part
lofty depot
The rest of their addons are out of seight out of mind
livid jay
i mean im using a million addons on retail but what is actually gonna be left of those?
livid jay
ye im just using masque to skin everything
and cell for frames but i guess thats gone or not needed will see
royal zenith
Their main goal is just making sure you cant have 3rd party shit help you in combat
As a tl;dr
royal zenith
and cell for frames but i guess thats gone or not needed will see
Will be able to use cell
Thereās some shit like buff tracking which is still a bit shit
But in general everything visual will be allowed
spice roost
Addons mainly are just reskinning to make ui cleaner in midnight
dry compass
Did they make any meaningful updates to boomie since they dropped the beta?
I'm totally checked out
dry compass
Sir that's a bunch of number fiddling and moving one talent
maiden pasture
Definitely meaningful
lofty depot
Sir that's a bunch of number fiddling and moving one talent
Should learn how to read
lofty depot
Some things never change
At least I'm consistent
You little rat picks and choose when ur a cock
eager raft
I have never and will never be unkind
lofty depot
Objectively false
spice roost
Arctic is just socially awkward
eager raft
he puts on this tough act but heās a good dude and fun to be around & game with š
royal zenith
you know that makes it worse right
royal zenith
everyone knows it's an act in my case
gritty wraith
just came back from holiday, anyone have a none cooked way of fixing my now gigashit ui?
livid jay
does someone know if theres a shortcut to the advancec cooldown manager settings?
lofty depot
My atrocity ui works fine š
livid jay
like a macro or sth
gritty wraith
My atrocity ui works fine š
what u done to replace the wa tho
now just a giga space in the middle of screen
lofty depot
Why would I need to replace that currently
gritty wraith
waddafuck
lofty depot
If ur talking on beta that's diff
Ur gonna have to spent time on making what u want, or wait for someone much smarter to send the imports
gritty wraith
if its active its perma 1 fps
lofty depot
Have u considered updating ur addons
gritty wraith
ofc big man
lofty depot
Don't think u did it properly
lofty depot
Delete the elv folders and download it manually
gritty wraith
maybe im just cooked
it is whhat it is
alrdy done that
ill exclusively play ret pala, that way i track nothing
its fine
lofty depot
Start turning off addons til it stops
gritty wraith
i will vegan game
livid jay
starfire supposed to do that bad damage in aoe on beta?
mix of some dummy 3-4 targets
smoky sage
okay i'm going crazy. I'm looking at my logs for Saladbar and I can't seem to be able to allign my CA as people on the top logs do. what heck am I missing? I had one try that I got 2 charges of CA in the burn phase. usually the 2nd is always crazily delayed
livid jay
send a log of yours
small elbow
okay i'm going crazy. I'm looking at my logs for Saladbar and I can't seem to be...
When are you popping your 3rd CA? Should be when dragon lands before you go up to the platforms
smoky sage
3rd CA is into boss before dragon lands at 2:05 ish
but I never have 2 charges its driving me nuts
smoky sage
yes and i dont have 2 in amp thats the issue Im having
uhm log is from someone on the other add platform
so my trees arent recorded
small elbow
^
smoky sage
how the... how did I overlook this?:. I double checked everything I Bet..
well ok ty
thats dumb as hell
but thanks for the quick help. I feel rather stupid not noticing
small elbow
but thanks for the quick help. I feel rather stupid not noticing
It happens
smoky sage
yeah lets talk about beta stuff so it gets burried deep
lofty depot
yeah lets talk about beta stuff so it gets burried deep
Silly goose using wrong hero talent
delicate perch
yeah lets talk about beta stuff so it gets burried deep
lucid olive
<:kekwpoint:1268915632087502890>
who do you think would win in a boxing tournament out of the balance chatters
potent cargo
who do you think would win in a boxing tournament out of the balance chatters
me by a fucking country mile
wouldn't even be close
lofty depot
who do you think would win in a boxing tournament out of the balance chatters
define chatter
delicate perch
who do you think would win in a boxing tournament out of the balance chatters
If itās just boxing Iām cooked, let me kick
lucid olive
alright full on MMA then
delicate perch
I want arctic first
lofty depot
i got bad news for u
lucid olive
i could probably square down a couple of you suckers
delicate perch
i got bad news for u
Is it that youāre a coward
lucid olive
glyph being so confident does stir the ego a bit though..
lofty depot
nah, i wrestled in highschool and college
lofty depot
just go for the knee, even big towers fall
lucid olive
i was fighting for fun with someone who did wrestling once and he tried to lift my knee
didnt work out well
lucid olive
i got hella balance
lofty depot
ur getting chop blocked stupid
lucid olive
this is balance chat after all
lofty depot
the only balancing ur gonna be doing is on my peen
lucid olive
are you flirting with me
lofty depot
in the autistic person way yes
potent cargo
nah, i wrestled in highschool and college
ye you would be up there based on that
wrestling gives you that never give up factor
jokes on u guys we having a boxing match im pulling out the glizzy
zinc heron
just go for the knee, even big towers fall
Until you get a knee to the nose lol
dense steeple
nobody in here is under 90kg
How many is that in lbs
potent cargo
200
dense steeple
Ezclap
lofty depot
Until you get a knee to the nose lol
Yea cuz fat people are known for getting their knees higher than a 1' off the ground
zinc heron
Yea cuz fat people are known for getting their knees higher than a 1' off the gr...
You going to him
delicate perch
glyph being so confident does stir the ego a bit though..
lofty depot
And he gonna fall real quick
delicate perch
This is @potent cargo
lofty depot
Little trip and blud is out of energy
lofty depot
This is <@140656141196722176>
Were u here for the 4 showers a day talk
lucid olive
imagine octagon with dreamgrove banners in parking lot
lofty depot
I replied to him though
I was thinking about consulting someone that takes 4 a year, thoughts
glossy jungle
all moonkins look like lorgok irl
lofty depot
if they ever do a blizzcon we do a fight in the parking lot
And we make thyme ref
And deux
potent cargo
winner gets to face thyme
drifting nova
whats a leaf gon do
mighty mica
hmmm
delicate perch
if they ever do a blizzcon we do a fight in the parking lot
Redfern train station 1v1s dreamgrove edition
potent cargo
bjj knee dislocation simulator 
dense steeple
If i dislocate their knees they lose the fight 
lofty depot
Will never have enough time to put in the needed time to be good at it :/
dense steeple
||my knees really hurt||
drifting nova
not been drinking milk?
dense steeple
I hate milk
drifting nova
explains the bones
gusty bough
Hey folks! Iāve got a probably annoying question, but Iāll ask it anyway š
How is Balance Druid looking in Midnight so far?
I know there arenāt any major changes, but Iām mostly curious about the feel ā
does the spec play any smoother or more fluid than on live, or is it the opposite?
Iām not asking about tuning, just about gameplay vibes and flow.
Thanks in advance!
lofty depot
I mean there's major changes but they might seem minor
Compared to deleting rational buttons.
Few more instant casts might help fluidity when it comes to movement. Doing dimmy p1 with instant cast eclipse wouldve been nice.
Currently weaver looks very strong but it's a tuning thing and that can always change.
But yea, spec didn't change much because we were already pruned. Technically gained more.
lucid olive
gameplay wise its probably the most fun the spec has been for a while
but thats like 90% because of starweaver
lofty depot
Weaver gang
Also, the changes to mastery and the addition of the faster starfall talent... Maybe we'll do shitter add dam
exotic perch
me by a fucking country mile
damn why cant we go to the ground id eat ya up
though im only 84kg im not giant
exotic perch
i am brown belt in bjj but i also wouldnt want to fight a giant kiwi
we had a guy who was a backup linemen for the chiefs train with us for a bit and that was hilarious
6'6 315 couldnt move him at all
potent cargo
what an experience tho
potent cargo
Yeah they got stabilizer muscles bigger than your primary ones
lucid olive
possibly
lofty depot
probs, 3 months til expac rolls out so tuning passes are still coming and not final
rotund stump
Prayge
vital hound
probs, 3 months til expac rolls out so tuning passes are still coming and not fi...
probs, 3 months til expac rolls out so ui fixes are still coming and not final
drifting nova
keep it under tuned until its fun to play
so now?
maiden pasture
boomkin good for raid and bad for m+
The dream
Not having our kneecaps removed in raid because m+ would be unbalanced
maiden pasture
That's the chat you're in yeah mate
quiet drift
Fellowslop locks in and we get M+ tuning
So specs dont have to suffer for being good in one or the other
cursive mirage
@lofty depot wake up
I can't double comment on the post. Need to push it up the list. We made updates. You have 1 job. Lock in
lucid olive
Me and @cursive mirage remade the original Midnight feedback post on the forums after last weeks changes with our thoughts on the current version of the spec on the beta. If you're interested please read through and interact with it! You can find it here
delicate perch
Fellowslop locks in and we get M+ tuning
fellowship so fun, log in
fossil hemlock
I thought the pins had a link to the forum post
fossil hemlock
Nice, thanks
cursive mirage
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royal zenith
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vale pebble
Me and <@249668398508670976> remade the original Midnight feedback post on the f...
disagree with
- Eluneās Challenge/Natureās Grace:
- since buffing the New Moon spells could see the talent be taken for Keeper of the Grove
rest good
main problem in m+ is ramp up time where u overcap ap before u want to start eclipse>spend
maybe skill issue but if u just proc a bit its impossible to not overcap
round field
stick to being aug kitten old man
delicate perch
main problem in m+ is ramp up time where u overcap ap before u want to start ecl...
main problem is m+ existing
drifting nova
minigame > raid
delicate perch
ā
kind raptor
Was so weird did a 10 and everyone did 6 million or more damage dps wise and yet we still only +1 the timer in priory. I suspect it's the tank pulling too slow and wiping us once I was trying to analyze it lol.
vale pebble
My rat mage alt with no gear does more
d4 is kinda low my smurf playing nunu support is higher elo almost
vale pebble
I play bad i lose i play good i lose
we are winning with this in funhaverqueue
at 3am
and ur tryharding 500mg caffeine stuck d4 0lp?
round field
Unluck
Gotten old
Hands dont listen
Brain dont listen
"if i walk in this bush i die"
Proceeds to walk in bush
Dies
round field
can't even cook for shit
Nah but overcooked legit harder than any raid boss
royal zenith
unless..
lucid olive
disagree with
- Eluneās Challenge/Natureās Grace:
- since buffing the New Moo...
They tried to buff Moons in Nerubar when Whirling Stars was added, but nerfed it after a week because it was taken for Keeper and was really miserable to play
Moons is closer to being playable for Keeper than it is for EC and playing it in Keeper is horrid gameplay
craggy sonnet
How about making moons not shit to play then?
quiet drift
Requires a fundamental rework
There is like 4-6 talents that reward you for pressing fillers
Pressing anything outside of Filler / Spender is just waste
lucid olive
That's why the post says "we realize that fixing this issue is tricky" when talking about FoE vs Moons for EC since blatant buffing Moons will fuck up Keeper and not fix EC
royal zenith
pallid bay
yes you have to cast full moon..
vale pebble
Was just that u dont get touch so it makes them worse
vale pebble
Ok but radiant moonlight is just shit
quiet drift
Spend AP, Spend Dream Burst, Cast Full moon, cast convoke
Kinda struggling for globals here
pallid bay
ok but thats besides the point..
vale pebble
Spend AP, Spend Dream Burst, Cast Full moon, cast convoke
Yea its harder
pallid bay
Kinda struggling for globals here
zoomer strugglin..
vale pebble
Is that bad?
pallid bay
depends if you can fit the globals
quiet drift
"well shit id rather be pressing something else here"
vale pebble
But u dont need to press something else
dire osprey
quiet drift
But u dont need to press something else
?
quiet drift
Spend AP, Spend Dream Burst, Cast Full moon, cast convoke
This is more tha 12s of casting
vale pebble
U just spend ap spend dream bursts spend moons
U dont need to fit all moons in the window
dire osprey
wait is full moon playable
quiet drift
U dont need to fit all moons in the window
You dont either have to play the talent
vale pebble
wait is full moon playable
Idk mate u dont have sims
round field
Is having moons on keeper bad?
Go fit convoke full moon ap dump into whirling window if u can
vale pebble
But its not far
dire osprey
pallid bay
just dont play convoke
dire osprey
i lowkey liked pressing moon buttons
vale pebble
Go fit convoke full moon ap dump into whirling window if u can
Yea u cant fit dream bursts sometimes in convoke
pallid bay
hop on incarn cope
vale pebble
Convoke performs better st pretty sure
quiet drift
its peak!
pallid bay
But dont you see le funny hands up
lets convoke the spirits!
quiet drift
Full moon!!
vale pebble
quiet drift
Omg
pallid bay
its actually nice
dire osprey
im conjorking it
vale pebble
Quick prayer u get 5 surges
pallid bay
refill drink
round field
Add fullmoon on top of that and you can go brew coffee drink it take a shit in the time as well
royal zenith
Cast sequence macro Convoke, full moon, full moon
yoooo??
round field
Bonus points if ur ec and can queue quick soloqueue game during starfire cast on top of the rest
Low apm build
dire osprey
can climb to challenger in league and get an inferno cape on osrs by the time u finish casting
cursive mirage
@vale pebble curious on your Eluneās challenge/NG opinion
vale pebble
<@246708743738359808> curious on your Eluneās challenge/NG opinion
yea sure mate
ng good when u cycle eclipse fast or instantly
elunes challenge good when u pool for next eclipse for starlord duration
, but it still doesnāt seem to quite hit on its identity.
Natureās Grace was originally implemented as a talent that would help us get back into Eclipse faster,
yea who cares what it was implemented for
talent feels good to play around
if ur playing weaver in aoe esp with ec ng feels really good
u dont have to wait for ur little 3s starfires
elunes challenge feels bad right now because ur spending into starfall st
if ur spending into starsurge and ur wrathing it feels good unless u have high haste
and the swap to t2 with the nerf to haste helps it not do that
which is overcap u on gcd
if u spend on starfall elunes challenge is horrible because ur stuck at like 37-50 ap
more often than not
and boom u proc a shs ur above 40 ur talent doesnt proc
talent feels bad when u just proc an orbit breaker or something
or proc a moon
proc a foe from ec
its pretty shit as ec in aoe basically
good in st
feels better on ec st because starfire has longer cast time but u have more rng procs from moonfire proc foe talent n shit
so its harder to control
problem with the talent is idk how strong it is
cursive mirage
Yeah those takes make sense.
vale pebble
like no clue but hope the wheel turns out to be op so u always take one of the 2
vale pebble
needs to be more lenient
quiet drift
If the "be below 40ap" didnt exist
quiet drift
It only works outside eclipse anyways
lucid olive
Have you noticed the bug where it just random activates regardless of AP sometimes
vale pebble
play no eclipse or something
cursive mirage
Yeah I think I would like it more if it were less of a pain to proc
vale pebble
Have you noticed the bug where it just random activates regardless of AP sometim...
no
quiet drift
play no eclipse or something
U still could do this?
lucid olive
Happened during raid testing and I've recreated it on dummies but have no clue what causes it
quiet drift
Just be 0 ap before playing no eclipse
vale pebble
U still could do this?
yea ig u could idk
vale pebble
Happened during raid testing and I've recreated it on dummies but have no clue w...
do u have a vod or log stamp
vale pebble
Like the 40ap is nothing but a pain in the ass
yea ive felt that
i mean ur incentivised to be below 40 anyways
lucid olive
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/XPVBzYrNAt7Z1Jxa?fight=1&type=auras&ability=1240285&view=events on 2:30 i get Elune's Challenge
vale pebble
but random procs just fist u
lucid olive
quiet drift
Ye
vale pebble
yea ill look at it when i get home
lucid olive
I imagine it's something funky in the Elune's Challenge script but have 0 clue what causes it, spent like 20 minutes on dummy after raid trying but only had it happen like twice
craggy sonnet
True tho, elunes challenge condition is just an annoyance. Might as well just always trigger instead of being susceptible to bad proc timings
sick dirge
Hello, new boomie here. Trying to get a good build for mythic+, is the elune chosen path on icy veins the correct choice?
lucid olive
Sure
There's not a lot of variance in the talent trees for M+ so all the guides should have the correct one
It's generally recommended to use the Dreamgrove Compendium guide though, but it doesn't matter too much
craggy sonnet
@lucid olive after raid testing.. how do you ultimately feel about the eclipse cadence / uptime?
Also, is there any merit in the -2s CDR talent? You didn't mention it in the feedback post
lucid olive
<@147914503588282368> after raid testing.. how do you ultimately feel about the ...
Don't have a strong opinion one way or the other
I mostly planned Eclipse around treants
craggy sonnet
So it felt fine, is what you are saying
Did you take the cdr talent? Or not necessary
lucid olive
i didn't take it no
craggy sonnet
I'm just not sure if/when you'd wanna take it
lucid olive
but that talent is just a robot question
craggy sonnet
I guess. Just not sure of its purpose
craggy sonnet
Duh
sick dirge
All the guides i see prefer fury of elune for eluneās chosen. Is full moon really that bad?
craggy sonnet
Moons is sometimes very awkward to play, is producing lower uptime on atmospheric exposure and doesn't really deal enough dmg for that
lucid olive
also doesn't scale well in aoe
craggy sonnet
Doesn't foe also get sqrt scaling beyond st?
vale pebble
but that talent is just a robot question
its a
aoe or not question
fight timer question
craggy sonnet
aoe or not question
As in?
vale pebble
aoe u generate more ap
spend less time outside of eclipse
total eclipse is better
single target u want to pool for 5s ish
aoe 2s ish
unless u need to redot
in which case u will also just cap if u proc
kind raptor
6 mil dps kinda low
Thanks for that valuable insight š
vale pebble
if ur constant 3t and u dont need to worry about dotting u cycle in 2 starfires
so u have less time outside of eclipse
so u have more time in eclips
so ur cds are tighter
so u will run out of eclipse faster
thus u needing more eclipses
when u get to like 5-6-7 minutes depending how bad u play
craggy sonnet
Hm ok. We are still talking about 2s here
vale pebble
u will just spend 15s
outside of an eclipse
without incarn
without eclipse
meaning that u spend like
5-8 spenders outside of elcipse
vale pebble
Hm ok. We are still talking about 2s here
yea sure but its compounding
craggy sonnet
1 extra eclipse after 7mins.. no?
round field
Thanks for that valuable insight š
idk what u want me to tell u
do more dmg key go faster
kind raptor
idk what u want me to tell u
If you say so š
royal zenith
Guide to class discords tl;dr ignore silly answers, focus on the good answers
Block iqnious
Yw
cursive mirage
1 extra eclipse after 7mins.. no?
I will say that it definitely feels very weak on its face for a third tier talent and I do struggle to see where it gets taken relative to other options, but also a lot of our other options are also weak so idk
robot will command me
I think we'd be better off just making eclipse 30 seconds and getting rid of that talent or making it something else. It just doesn't have a meaningful enough impact on anything to focus on I guess atp
royal zenith
pseudo merlin
Block iqnious
and arctic
royal zenith
lofty depot
~~and arctic~~
thats crazy
maiden pasture
~~and arctic~~
And kekkers
pseudo merlin
Nah you definitely dont want to block kekkers
I guess it depends
Are you here for good information or good laughs?
lucid olive
well
pseudo merlin
If it's the former, definitely block kekkers
upper anvil
Kekkers is great entertainment value
We all know not to take good information from kekkers
pseudo merlin
indeed
craggy sonnet
I think we'd be better off just making eclipse 30 seconds and getting rid of tha...
yeah, i mean it is obv a tuning question first compared to other options. but i kinda fail to see it helping our cause in regards to streamlining CDs and where it really comes into play. would definitely not want it to be another "this fight is long enough for me to get another eclipse in" and it doesnt offer anything interesting past that .. at least as far as i can see
cursive mirage
yeah I mean there are a lot of things we didn't include in the post mostly because it would just get way too long and we have to pick and choose what things are both important enough to ask for focus on while also being realistic to change at this point
royal zenith
could've just made it a bulletpoint list then
cursive mirage
like we took out the whole "cooldowns feel redundant with eclipse" piece. That is still 100% true but I dont think we are going to get a full rework of CDs at this point
cursive mirage
š
royal zenith
:)
cursive mirage
they love our yap
royal zenith
it's true
cursive mirage
gotta give context and nuance
craggy sonnet
like we took out the whole "cooldowns feel redundant with eclipse" piece. That i...
true. was just looking for some opinions after testing re eclipse cadence and the role of that cdr talent.
and tbf, seems like they did at least agree eclipse uptime was a bit too high still .. since they decided to take the route of nerfing CA availability
teal sphinx
ruby zinc
how is balance for next expansion in raid ?
lofty depot
Come back in about 2 months and ask again
Won't know then either
fossil hemlock
I was just planning to repeat it at that point too
lofty depot
Type shit
cursive mirage
gonna stack 15 of them ibet
frosty grotto
Anyone elses CA lasting only 10.5 seconds on its second cast in the opener? for KOTG
lucid olive
you're cleaving the PVP dummy in Dornogal with the Dryad Starfall
CA is less duration in PVP
lofty depot
you're cleaving the PVP dummy in Dornogal with the Dryad Starfall
Where stream
Folty late?
snow elm
Is eclipse off gcd
craggy sonnet
But wasn't it already shorter?
pseudo merlin
it's not about size
lucid olive
0.5 is better then what it was lol
was always 0.5s 
i think having it on gcd is better cause if it was off you'd just macro it to wrath or something
lucid olive
pretty sure original alpha had it on 0.5 as well
exotic perch
Global cooldown after activating Solar or Lunar Eclipse shortened to 0.5 seconds instead of normal 1.5.
exotic perch
hopefully it is correct
i did think it was wild that i just hit eclipse and waited a full gcd to do anything
or maybe i was lagging beyond belief
lucid olive
@exotic perch from nov 3rd
i would go looking at the spelldata and find the original version but i cba trucking thru it
cursive mirage
regardless it does feel nice at a .5 GCD
craggy sonnet
yeah, i think it was at least shorter than normal gcd right when it was introduced on alpha
cursive mirage
it definitely needs the GCD
cursive mirage
full gcd maybe felt a bit clunky but .5 is nice. Without it you'd be doing weird fireblast mage type shit
exotic perch
it does just go back to the issue i think in BFA
where they made most if not all major cds do something in that gcd press
pressing a cd and waiting a second to do anything feels bad
0.5 is enough to not macro it and such and it feels fine
cursive mirage
well you also get bolts
so it feels like it does something
which is really what matters for the vibes
lofty depot
pressing a cd and waiting a second to do anything feels bad
well it does do something
it shoots out a solar or lunar bolt š
zinc heron
it shoots out a solar or lunar bolt š
Or both lol
digital berry
how do you play around voidcore btw
lucid olive
spam regrowth before pull so you're at low mana when it pulls
thats the only thing you do
exotic perch
or dont do that and just vibe man
meager storm
remove corruption
lucid olive
alternatively you can swap specs back and forth, that empties your mana pool too
digital berry
theres never a world in which youd empty your mana mid fight before a double ca window?
or like a double ca amp ?
lucid olive
no playing around it mid fight isnt worth it
its way too many casts to empty your mana mid fight
lofty depot
theres never a world in which youd empty your mana mid fight before a double ca ...
thats a lot of regrowth casts and ur mana regens too fast
if u wanna cast regrowth, get nexus king command
exotic perch
takes 12 regrowths to oom
digital berry
is it better then antenna just in lieu of the prepull mana drain + first double ca overlap?
exotic perch
thats never worth in a fight
lucid olive
is it better then antenna just in lieu of the prepull mana drain + first double ...
yeah and you don't have to collect orbs
sick dirge
With lunar calling and tier set, starfire is doing much more dmg than starsurge so why should i not overcap?
I was thinking of ignoring astral power and just spam starfires in lunar eclipse
craggy sonnet
With lunar calling and tier set, starfire is doing much more dmg than starsurge ...
because overcapping (as in not gaining any AP) basically disables the tier set
sick dirge
Ohhh so thats the reason, not because of the dmg of the actual spenders
Honestly its kinda weird that generators do more damage than spender what a weird design
dense steeple
@lofty depot what trinket do i run on dimmy
more specifically
should i buy voidcore with dinar or myth boots
cause i just noticed i never spent my last dinar š
lofty depot
<@121360917907767296> what trinket do i run on dimmy
araz and nexus king command
lofty depot
double regrowth the buff target before combat
regrowth after dumping surges
regrowth before using cds
regrowth between starfires when reentering eclipse when youll press trees in said eclipse
wintry umbra
Are those using the procs from the kotg tree or raw regrowths also damn that's a ton of effort how much does it add
lofty depot
Are those using the procs from the kotg tree or raw regrowths also damn that's a...
something light
wintry umbra
Nice also God araz is just crack for kotg boomy
lofty depot
int big
wintry umbra
And you can trigger it for the burst window so it's like the perfect trinket with that 4pc
Though I'm guessing it would still probably be a top tier trinket without this 4pc
austere nexus
how to more dps its my stat ?
street overall 5.5 m :((
hast :22000 mastrery : 25000 versa : 8500 crit :2500
delicate perch
Is all your gear agility
Somehow
Stats wonāt tell much your gear seems fine, log some runs and link them for someone (probably arctic ) to take a look
lofty depot
are u talking just m+?
austere nexus
no m+
lofty depot
uhhh craft a ring prob?
find a better trinket
but yea stats are gonna make u do more damage
playing better will
post a log
lofty depot
thats not a log
drifting nova
toxic wtf
lofty depot
btw, ur looking at streets which isnt exactly a good dungoen for overall
and ur worried about overall in 12s
lofty depot
clearly not all classes
ur wasting dreamstate stacks by pressing woe early like that
losing damage cuz were dotting in incarn instead of before it
idk why were spamming moonkin form
also incarn puts you into an improved moonkin form, u dont need to press it before
ur also pressing foe incorrectly
incarn needs to be during the foe gcd
cursive mirage
thats not a log
you're a log buddy
lofty depot
im gonna drop a log on ur chest bud
hollow mist
im gonna drop a log on ur chest bud
patent fulcrum
o/ just checking if there are any soft/hard caps for Mastery/Crit/Haste/Verse for KotG. Can't seem to find much info on wowhead/icyveins.
jaunty blaze
Don't matter do what the robot says
patent fulcrum
I read that on the dreamgrove balance blog. Any reason in particular and is that applicable for other classes?
sudden flame
caps are non existant in modern wow
jaunty blaze
Reason being that when the Sim says that stacking mastery even when you reach whatever softcap is a damage increase you keep stacking it
patent fulcrum
Before I had a priory trink that simmed higher than astral/araz trinks (bis). It felt wrong to the listen to the robot haha
jaunty blaze
Usually best to link said Sim so people can point out what you might miss
patent fulcrum
got it! Appreciate the advice
livid jay
is the two set "outside of eclipse" part only for the added ap or also for the more damage of the shooting stars?
(beta/midnight)
craggy sonnet
shs dmg is always
kind raptor
@lofty depot Antenna not an ideal M+ trinket? What are your recommendations anyway.
round field
<@121360917907767296> Antenna not an ideal M+ trinket? What are your recommendat...
Who said antenna isnt good?
crude cargo
parapodia prob
kind raptor
Was just scrolling up read the posts I might have misunderstood though read the pin now I think he was suggesting it my bad š
round field
Pin just says what items you can buy
lofty depot
Just easier trinkets to use in m+
Parapod and voidcore being easier to use
Lily if u want an on use
kind raptor
Since I don't have any Mythic ones right now I am using antenna and parapod heroic but could swap to lily or sacbrood heroic as I have those. Will get a mythic para today maybe with the chips. I get what you mean easier to use those ones for sure
They don't sim much lower than the antenna maybe 10-11k
lofty depot
What r u simming the miss chance on antenna at
craggy sonnet
voidcore doesnt scale well in aoe
round field
Why not
craggy sonnet
because part of its value is in the set bonus which is inherently st
sim it without a voidglass weapon
if you think that doesnt matter
round field
Why would i sim without a voidglass wepon?
craggy sonnet
duh, was just trying to say that the set bonus is significant and that doesnt scale in aoe
kind raptor
I just assumed that simming and using what a lot of VIP balance are using would be ideal and I see a lot that have high M+ scores on raider.io using a mythic antennae though it's possible it's from when they were raiding.
Can easily swap out to one of the other ones if it's technically better versus sim scores due to how it functions and ease of use in those scenarios.
Still learning am just a 710 newb so š
craggy sonnet
Whats ur argument exactly
Are you trying to be dense on purpose?
round field
I just think ur noob walking out of line
coral bane
how come i dont have Flap o.O
cursive mirage
What kind of thoughts would you like
dusk nacelle
example is it worth taking mushrooms and umbral embrace over total eclipse 20% chance
i'm new to balance and trying to figure it out
cursive mirage
Not sure cause no sims but id take active mushrooms, drop natures grace, take touch of the cosmos/hail of stars, swap rattle for weaver
And see how it feels for you
But in beta its all about just playing different things and seeing what you get the best results with
dusk nacelle
yeah i was trying another variation and it didn't feel good kinda subpar damage
cursive mirage
Astral communion also probably not good but idk
dusk nacelle
i appreciate the help and feedback
cursive mirage
Oh drop umbral too
dusk nacelle
so FYI not sure if it changes what your saying but i'm targeting an AOE M+ style build
dusk nacelle
ok hmm do you have a build your running you could just link if not its cool i will try some of the stuff you suggested above
cursive mirage
Iām on mobile but let me see if I can grab something
dusk nacelle
sure no rush again i appreciate it
drifting nova
how come i dont have Flap o.O
its a bought glyph?
dusk nacelle
Iām on mobile but let me see if I can grab something
based on your suggestions
or at least what i understood
cursive mirage
This is what I had been messing around with as EC in m+ mostly this last week
No idea if itās the best or not
dusk nacelle
nice thanks like you said were all testing things and trying it out
cursive mirage
Iāve also been liking KOTG more in general tbh. Might just be a vibes thing though
Iād say you could mess around with dropping denizens if you want to try out total eclipse
dusk nacelle
so faerie dragon over the challenge
cursive mirage
Yeah challenge has some issues atm. I mean you should try it out for sure though
Cause itās a new thing
dusk nacelle
i will try it out with yours and mine just to see i was thinking maybe the haste would be good but yeah who knows
cursive mirage
Youāre just not out of eclipse very often
dusk nacelle
Iāve also been liking KOTG more in general tbh. Might just be a vibes thing thou...
i've wanted to try KOTG out but didn't know where to start
dusk nacelle
Youāre just not out of eclipse very often
very true they have it setup to where if your paying attention your in eclipse pretty much 100% of the time
very cool i'm gonna try these things out much appreciated
craggy sonnet
I just think ur noob walking out of line
ST: 2.2%
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7r177VctYXFpwWo6QU8eH8
10T: 0.4%
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hAfJzrKZqfjDfPJ8RsMDvo
any more questions?
round field
Whopping
0.2% diff between antenna and voidcore on 10 tar 5 min
Whatever the fuck that sim is
craggy sonnet
wth are you even talking about?
dusk nacelle
Iāve also been liking KOTG more in general tbh. Might just be a vibes thing thou...
Don't wanna bug you too much but if you have a build for KOTG that would be cool
craggy sonnet
smh my head
cursive mirage
Don't wanna bug you too much but if you have a build for KOTG that would be cool
Mobile wowhead being annoying but
Get rid of the red, must take the green, pick 1 of the yellows based on vibes I guess
craggy sonnet
how's active shroom doing?
loud kettle
I want shrooms irl
craggy sonnet
oh damn
loud kettle
Any of them that make u high but dont kill u
dusk nacelle
Get rid of the red, must take the green, pick 1 of the yellows based on vibes I ...
your awesome thanks
cursive mirage
Active shrooms are so fun though fr. I hope they are the play
Doing like 7-9% of my dam in m+ most of the time
loud kettle
Surely does more dmg than wrath in st now
craggy sonnet
š
loud kettle
(:
craggy sonnet
stellar amp is kinda interesting if we play weaver
cursive mirage
Yeah for ST could be big
cursive mirage
have you like compared to the passive version at all?
No i refuse
Jk I did before the mushroom changes. I think active now is higher than that was before and passive got nerfed since then
dusk nacelle
watching now https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NIW0EzLyoE
craggy sonnet
Yeah for ST could be big
Oh. I mean also for prio in aoe. Should be rather significant looking at the dmg contribution from dots and shs
But yeah, active shrooms gotta be higher overall. Was just wondering by how much. (Since there is still a gcd Investment attached to it)
cursive mirage
Oh. I mean also for prio in aoe. Should be rather significant looking at the dmg...
Could be. Iād have to look at what point weād take out. Maybe as EC itās better too with procs
cursive mirage
watching now https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NIW0EzLyoE
Great episode if I say so
dusk nacelle
yeah good stuff i'm learning alot
void jacinth
tune in to Tettles new episode of moonkin monthly for your daily dose of Gamz
lofty depot
Great episode if I say so
Tettles calling u faulty and not folty
royal zenith
foulty
grave cargo
Do we have any midnight chan ?
lofty depot
For what
twin lotus
ok so starweaver procs hail the stars, thats so nice
gameplay looking good
Oneth Intuition is back
now we just need stellar drift 
lofty depot
Don't need stellar drift if u have a lot of instant casts
twin lotus
that's true
kind raptor
things I have learned is to maximize how much you can get away with dotting before eclipse and saving sunfires when they are close as I have a bad habit of over using my dots versus other damage things. Really appreciate all the tips I read here even if I didn't ask about it š
lofty depot
Post a new log so I can show u new things to maximize
nocturne swallow
hi, one question regarding beta: when/how to spend shroom charges ?
lofty depot
Presumably in CDs / eclipse, if you'll cap charges, for movement
inner pond
Hi, where can I read more about the rotation in midnight?
lofty depot
No, the sims aren't working yet
And tuning yet to happen, people are running a weaver build spamming starfall on st.
Expansion is 3 months away, so likely changes still
fickle grail
watching now https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NIW0EzLyoE
what is this.
rando tft streamer milking owls?
royal zenith
fickle grail
lofty depot
what is this.
rando tft streamer milking owls?
It's a DK and evoker talking aswell
Ele, evoker, DK....
What do they know, :/
nimble tangle
no BM?
lofty depot
We are not bad mannered here
cursive mirage
It's a DK and evoker talking aswell
ionic surge
We are not bad mannered here
lies
pallid bay
What do they know, :/
Real
cursive mirage
cursive mirage
We are not bad mannered here
LOL
nimble tangle
lofty depot
Real
Last time sune did most of the yapping, where my dawg at
Brought faulty in, smh
dense steeple
my wife is mildly upset ata me
i may or may not have set up a camera to watch her on the other side of my monitors 
pallid bay
Last time sune did most of the yapping, where my dawg at
Faulty owned
It's tettles that needs to go
delicate perch
Iron player
craggy sonnet
It's tettles that needs to go
casual tettles L
pallid bay
He's content creator so he can take a bit of flame
dense steeple
mostly set the camera up so i can watch the puppy commit crimes
lofty depot
i may or may not have set up a camera to watch her on the other side of my monit...
I wanna teach my gf to play games and make videos for the world to laugh at
She's mildly afraid of the dark and outside, so naturally first game should be Slenderman
dense steeple
aint wno way youre gonan get that out of her first
ease her into it, get her to enjoy the stream life
THEN make her play slenderman
its not just about funny clips
its about the profit margins of the cult following viewership as she suffers
spice roost
She's mildly afraid of the dark and outside, so naturally first game should be S...
she will fit right in with most of the wow community then lol
lofty depot
ease her into it, get her to enjoy the stream life
well she plays haystack or w.e. the fuck its called on phone
gotta get her into like stardew valley
uncut roost
Sims 4 is super cheap/free
covert coyote
wtf that isn't moonkin keys
jade flume
She's mildly afraid of the dark and outside, so naturally first game should be S...
Lmao i remember playing slenderman game like 15 years ago or sth
dense steeple
yeah raid leader called everyone out on slacking so i have to stop slacking
wild pier
Hello, im new into balance, wich racial do you recommend? is it really important?
wild pier
But if i want min max wich one is tier list for horde/alliance?
fallen flicker
how come i dont have Flap o.O
you can learn it in the Druid orderhall per Tome
dense steeple
i mean you can sim it if you want
wild pier
im srry im new, i dont know what is it
dense steeple
simming is when you put your character stats and potential stats into a robot that tells you what does the most damage
fallen flicker
But if i want min max wich one is tier list for horde/alliance?
If you are on ally for me its Night elf but on horde the Troll active ability racial is nice , Nightelves are for the passivs and shadowmeld
for M+ keys
lofty depot
But if i want min max wich one is tier list for horde/alliance?
i promise it doesnt matter
there are many people r1 not using the best race currently and its not gonna make u r1 either
youre new you will find more damage playing correctly than any racial will ever give
night has meld which is useful in m+, but a lot of people just dont like the moonkin for and prefer the astral form.
tauren sims the highest cuz of the crit dam and how our tierset is... That will likely change next tier
dusk nacelle
Unless youāre pushing to really high keys in coordinated meta comp groups play what you like
craggy sonnet
i bug abused and got first 2 items week 1
reported
craggy sonnet
oh no theyll ban me for a reclear !!
gotta pay the price
vapid mango
lofty depot
who
lucid olive
watching now https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NIW0EzLyoE
tettles saying Botanist Bloom repeatedly
delicate perch
tettles saying Botanist Bloom repeatedly
Tettles saying Botanist Bloom repeatedly 
Fuck what is it for lines 
lucid olive
noob
delicate perch
Fixed
cursive mirage
Faulty owned
unborn meadow
What is the preffered trinket setup for M+ higher end keys?
I have Voidglass spire and voidcore. I was wondering if antenna , araz's forge or Eco dome trinket would be best to for other trinket
nimble tangle
If you do some research on top boomies in m+ right now
Pretty much all of them use void core+ spire + parapodia
lofty depot
I have Voidglass spire and voidcore. I was wondering if antenna , araz's forge o...
antenna no
forge no
parapod, voidcore, lily
lucid olive
i just got parapodia with my last dinar
time to slam soul hunters
maybe next reclear the priest won't PI the blood dk
lyric kettle
maybe next reclear the priest won't PI the blood dk
He told me heās going to do it again
coral bane
you can learn it in the Druid orderhall per Tome
Thank you
snow elm
was there no beta patch today
fossil hemlock
Extended downtime to fix issues with the build
round field
gonna need a lot of downtime to fix all the issues...
hollow mist
He told me heās going to do it again
maiden pasture
gonna need a lot of downtime to fix all the issues...
The issue is fixed if it just never comes back up and we kill the game....
muted citrus
what % do I need before I drop down in sanguine depths
drifting nova
lucid olive
Whollular?
drifting nova
<@253616853157412865> ?
yes, it is known
drifting nova
atleast he knows the proper past tense of cast
coost
ionic surge
idk what thick scouse is but sure
The accent
lucid olive
thick scouse is a dish
drifting nova
my interactions with scouse is a football vid from like 10years ago, that is it
ionic surge
thick scouse is a dish
You're a whole meal to me
livid jay
thick scouse is kekkers' mum
drifting nova
foreigners to me otherwise
drifting nova
thick scouse is kekkers' mum
[REDACTED]
ionic surge
thick scouse is kekkers' mum
Heard his mum is Bonnie Blue
lucid olive
the word scouse to describe the people around Liverpool area comes from a norwegian dish called lapskaus, anglified to lobscouse
livid jay
holy they cant even make up their own words anymore
lucid olive
every word is made up
drifting nova
like carragher scouse might be heavy idk
pseudo merlin
Is scouse is norwegian?
pseudo merlin
thick scouse is kekkers' mum
Oof
lucid olive
the food that the term comes from is, yes
livid jay
every word is made up
nah, German was just there
lucid olive
was brought over by sailors and merchants
drifting nova
the word scouse to describe the people around Liverpool area comes from a norweg...
literally german but ok
pseudo merlin
Crazy
pseudo merlin
Wrong country
lucid olive
to save your surstromming
swedish
drifting nova
with their tongues not in their mouth?
pseudo merlin
Sure
livid jay
was about to say Labskaus sounds a bit too familiar but im not one of these northern germans so i wouldnt know
pseudo merlin
Thats how norwegian sounds to me anyway
Northern germans kekw
Bayern is the only real germany
pseudo merlin
Baden-WĆ¼rttemberg is what you think Germany is
Yep
pseudo merlin
Brother have u ever even been outside of that island of urs
drifting nova
no
livid jay
pseudo merlin
Lmao
pseudo merlin
drifting nova
idk this norway speak just reminded me of a single band from there
that was locked deep
lucid olive
Kvelertak
drifting nova
lucid olive
stranglehold
pseudo merlin
Close enough
lucid olive
they're alright