Sune is in the trenches
#balance
royal zenith
royal zenith
and covered in blood
royal zenith
lower AP gen is probably also increasing haste value a bit
agree
zinc heron
I do wonder what will be the split of mastery/haste/crit
royal zenith
always big chunk of mastery
zinc heron
Mastery being universal now
royal zenith
the rest kinda w.e.
lofty depot
Haste kinda weird with how much we have currently
zinc heron
Haste always a problem to evaluate
lofty depot
Assume sim will find a threshold for Crit
royal zenith
not really a problem, as long as you can do big damage in cd's and plant for a bit
zinc heron
Crit is also sometimes you don’t care and sometimes it’s rn so whatever but still
royal zenith
we're not a melee spec
the more important haste becomes, the more of an uptime spec you become
unless cd's scale with haste like they did with ravenous
but yeah convoke
lofty depot
If we play incarn over convoke
But whirling gives more haste now
So idk.... See how it goes
royal zenith
ye
lofty depot
Or potent?
royal zenith
I should probably log in at some point
lofty depot
I cant remember
rich jewel
Agi wep sandbag is dedication
royal zenith
and get a feel for the class
lofty depot
Potent* gives whirling haste
royal zenith
Agi wep sandbag is dedication
lofty depot
Agi wep sandbag is dedication
"Guys idk why I'm not doing damage"
lofty depot
I saw the bosses... they're not THAT bad actually
Well we've said that before then stix or Araz happens
I pray we do giga add damage now
royal zenith
yeah
as long as you're relevant
at least the council boss is a more important boss
yippeh
lofty depot
They did that
royal zenith
bosses have a lot of important adds that need to die
lofty depot
Resto was a better mark bring
lofty depot
Feral and balance were doing good damage to dimmy. Problem being boss damage wasn't the problem
lucid olive
at least the council boss is a more important boss
yeah the council boss that presses bubble when you lust
lucid olive
you can mass dispel the bubble but yeah its really funny
lucid olive
honestly just good mechanic having them use bubble
royal zenith
there's also quite a lot of spread cleave from what I saw but
there will probably be something to do about that
and meatgrinder melees come in
round field
honestly just good mechanic having them use bubble
Just hearing about it it does not sound like a good mechanic
lofty depot
Priest having to press mass dispell, the cries I hear coming
royal zenith
lofty depot
and meatgrinder melees come in
It's ok, as long as they live 5-6 seconds so I can spam 2 starfalls eyyayeyayeyayea
Live 12 seconds and we're blasting
lucid olive
Just hearing about it it does not sound like a good mechanic
gives you time to dot them while they're immune then you can blast once they take dam
round field
Priest having to press mass dispell, the cries I hear coming
I mean that just sounds lame
lucid olive
round field
gives you time to dot them while they're immune then you can blast once they tak...
Ew no
What
lofty depot
Brought to raid for not only ur buff, but your utility
round field
"boss goes immune when you press lust" sounds like the biggest pile of dogshit ever
lucid olive
i think it's definitely cool for the boss that is 3 paladins using bubble for something like that
lucid olive
need to dot cause shooting stars big dam
lofty depot
i think it's definitely cool for the boss that is 3 paladins using bubble for so...
Lore, thematic.....
royal zenith
we'll have decision making?! do we dot... or not....
what's the amount of seconds....
gamz.......
lofty depot
Good button to use while moving surely
lofty depot
We have many instant casts now, so dots even worse kek
royal zenith
need to maff it out
lofty depot
Can't wait to see people press eclipse and then build a house between their next global
Not knowing the global is like half the normal one
eager raft
It should not even be a gcd imo
Shorter gcd is better than normal gcd but still feels a bit clunky to me
dense steeple
"boss goes immune when you press lust" sounds like the biggest pile of dogshit e...
Good mechanic. Love it
lucid olive
Not knowing the global is like half the normal one
I like how the last blue post had that as a "this is a new change"
when its been a 0.5s GCD since alpha
lofty depot
Shorter gcd is better than normal gcd but still feels a bit clunky to me
The idea of it is pretty dumb. Press a buff and lose a second waiting
Same annoyance when ca was a global
lofty depot
I like how the last blue post had that as a "this is a new change"
Dev makes changes, doesn't tell community manager. Wcyd
rich jewel
It doesnt even do some dmg.
lucid olive
@pseudo merlin man i forgot that Ezra Miller is in Californication
god his stupid face pisses me off
lucid olive
yeah I started rewatching a few weeks ago, on season 2
think it's the best season though
the Lew Ashby character is peak
pseudo merlin
god his stupid face pisses me off
so true
WHAT
His character is also just an obnoxious c word that americans hate f or some reason but the rest of the english speaking world thinks is normal and non offensive
pseudo merlin
the Lew Ashby character is peak
absolutely
wispy panther
im sorry this is a stupid question. but i saw a tauren moonkin in a raid and he had the tauren heritage armor totem on his back while he was in moonkin form. I am a night elf and I cant get any back transmog pieces to show while im in moonkin form. Does it only work for heritage armor back pieces?
For example, all these back pieces won't show (see image)
Thank you 🙂
onyx tangle
Sounds like a bug
He shouldn't have had the tauren backpiece showing in moonkin form
wispy panther
damn, i really want to be able to see the back piece in moonkin form
eager raft
damn, i really want to be able to see the back piece in moonkin form
Think it’s this https://www.wowhead.com/item=140334/highmountain-war-harness
wispy panther
oh shit
it might be this https://www.wowhead.com/item=204084/ancestors-might
its a weapon tmog
summer turtle
Is Midnight Balance fun now, unlike apparently I hear Feral?
sudden pawn
lofty depot
Is Midnight Balance fun now, unlike apparently I hear Feral?
What do u consider fun
ebon void
so do the changes to potent enchantments and whirling stars actually make lining up our cooldowns less of a headache like they said?
lofty depot
The problem wasn't whirling
The problem is people want to ook ook press button because it's up
But depending on if we play early spring vs bloom
It might just be 45/1m anyway
ebon void
my gut reaction is it wouldn't help without doing something about the CD banking talent in kotg whatever it's called
lofty depot
Control
cloud citrus
They should of removed control, as much as i like it. it breaks too much and causes so much troubles in the rotation
lofty depot
Imagine they don't fix the bug
cloud citrus
im almost entirely sure they dont know how to fix it at this point
like theyve tried 2 or 3 times to fix it and it still just breaks randomly
lucid olive
I think it's fixed
If you have any concrete proof from the beta that Control is still bugged then send it to me and I can pass it along
I looked through my raid testing vod from last night and didn't see any pull where treants/ca/convoke gave incorrect timers on pull
zinc heron
Control should go and just make FoN 30s and problem solved
Granted what cds should be lined up though
lofty depot
Oops
zinc heron
Aligment/incarn can be 180s or 120s and the charges make it effy, convoke is 120s or 60s, FoN is 60s or 45s (EC can play without it), eclipse is 30s charges make it effy
There’s no other cd really
lofty depot
Convoke 1m hates all of this
zinc heron
I guess fury but whatever
Convoke should be on class tree
I do feel like control should go, FoN be base 45s and cds play on the 60s or 120s windows
exotic perch
30 sec trees and 1/2 min convoke with 2 min ca is fine
eager raft
What if they added a talent where after spending a set amount of astral power, like maybe 600, you get ca/incarn for 12 seconds or so
exotic perch
that sounds sick i wonder if they thought of that
eager raft
Could be a cool idea!
craggy sonnet
Control is not really a problem as long as it works.
Early spring makes no sense now tho.
And 1min voke is a bit awkward cause you gotta pair it with eclipse (surely gamba into total proc) inevitably
zinc heron
Thing is what control does should be just base so ppl don’t have to do math and be confused
Sure ppl that have played a lot are used to it but new players to the spec is wtf
As for Convoke you are always using it while having at least 1 eclipse up anyway
It might not be maximum power if you don’t have both eclipses up but it isn’t bad
FoN at either 60s or 30s lines up with it all, at 45 it’s weird
Control fixes that sure but it shouldn’t be something that needs fixing
craggy sonnet
Thing is what control does should be just base so ppl don’t have to do math and ...
What does it do?
It just allows you some flexibility if you had to delay a few seconds without losing anything.
If the base CDs align, then control does not interfere with that at all
zinc heron
What does it do?
It just allows you some flexibility if you had to delay a few s...
If they align it’s not needed
Now in midnight 60s FoN, 60s convoke and incarn all align
Without control
craggy sonnet
It is all just weird tho.
Why is base CA 3mins still?
Keeping early springs they should at least give us a full kit of 45/90 stuff.
Why do we have to invest a talent to make eclipse 30s? What the heck is 32s base CD.. like??
zinc heron
lol
craggy sonnet
If they align it’s not needed
The idea is to be able to delay if you have to play a mechanic or whatever without losing uptime
zinc heron
I guess but still it’s effy
zinc heron
15s delay isn’t worth the cds not aligning nightmare
craggy sonnet
If you ever not press your trees on cd without control, you immediately have to delay your ca / convoke as well
distant spear
@peak citrus
zinc heron
In PvP it’s weird as hell and in PvE ppl still rather have aligning cds
craggy sonnet
15s delay isn’t worth the cds not aligning nightmare
There is no nightmare with 60/120 setup now
quiet drift
1min trees you lose another tree cast in BL
craggy sonnet
It's only 12% amp tho
zinc heron
There is no nightmare with 60/120 setup now
Yeah but now really control is just “there” which is fine since power giving 1 more stack is lols (it should be an actual talent)
quiet drift
1min trees is only 16%
zinc heron
12
Err 16 yeah
45s is 12%
But then you do get a 4th FoN in by the time you get the 3rd idk
craggy sonnet
Yeah but now really control is just “there” which is fine since power giving 1 m...
Your actual talent argument is getting very tiresome
It's decent qol
craggy sonnet
Don't think so
craggy sonnet
1min trees you lose another tree cast in BL
Just doesn't make sense to keep 45s trees as an option unless there is a full 45/90 setup
zinc heron
I guess control can make it line up lol
It’s funny how EC don’t have to deal with the cds thing
craggy sonnet
No
quiet drift
Just doesn't make sense to keep 45s trees as an option unless there is a full 45...
You can still line them up no?
cuz you have charges
zinc heron
You can line them up but it has to only affect FoN kinda or you have to do crazy math with the charges
quiet drift
but ye not really thought through
craggy sonnet
cuz you have charges
Convoke doesn't tho
That's the thing
You will always have to hold stuff
lucid olive
Your actual talent argument is getting very tiresome
save urself
vale pebble
@lucid olive gimme ur log
vale pebble
yea goldrin felt bad witht his
lucid olive
yeah not very good
vale pebble
its 1 solar cycle after
lucid olive
just vibing talents
nova ocean
@wicked shuttle when is moonkin monthly?
lucid olive
tuesday
brazen badge
Have u guys see the changes on balance in the next expansion?
Are guys hoping for a better change ?
zinc heron
I think it depends on what content you play
But overall I do think balance Druid mains are kinda just happy eclipse changed and if that makes was the only change it would’ve been fine
Rest is nitpick here and there, some hopes and dreams also lol
lucid olive
Have u guys see the changes on balance in the next expansion?
Are guys hoping f...
the version on beta right now is probably one of the best versions we've had in a long time
delicate perch
low bar
delicate perch
brazen badge
Can u guys elaborate further on the changes I was wondering if I should give balance a try
I am just glad that the mastery is changing again because I dont like playing around dots (Was too much set up for doing damage and that was annoying)
lucid olive
Eclipse is a button now and not a passive
that's the only other relevant change other than tuning and talent placements
brazen badge
Will Convoke cast eclipse now ?
lucid olive
no
nimble tangle
craggy sonnet
the what now?
zinc heron
Can u guys elaborate further on the changes I was wondering if I should give bal...
Eclipse only 1 instant cast now (so easier to work with), mastery is just universal dmg, those are the 2 big ones
The hero talent stuff I hope more to come still
Just put denizens in KotG already lol
And figure out how to make moons work on EC
For PvP really is just all that but also EC really needs Elune grace talent to be a shield somehow for gods sakes
nova ocean
It's reduced 60 seconds u read it as it is 60 seconds
It should be 60 though cause ca whirling is pretty shit on its own
lofty depot
meh.... if it was 2m and whirling made it 1m sure
zinc heron
It’s 120s now
lofty depot
OS needs to do more dam
nova ocean
Whirling shouldn't make the duration shorter if they want it to be a 2min cd
lofty depot
well i dont
zinc heron
Whirling is fine really, OS is just meh
nova ocean
2min cd that lasts as long as me in bed is a shit button it barely does anything also like me in bed
lofty depot
what if u could extend the buff
nova ocean
U mean based of ap spent
lofty depot
frost mage nighthold 
bring me back
nova ocean
Like a talent we used to have
zinc heron
Well we do have 54s of straight up eclipse uptime at the start of the fight
nova ocean
Which is my point
We have two buttons with two charges that essentially give us eclipse
Why
Make ca do something
lofty depot
ca gives haste
zinc heron
Yes it’s true then again after playing it the problem is OS not doing enough to even try it
nova ocean
Ya barely any haste that's a shit CD look at other spec CDs that do stuff
lofty depot
10% haste is more than u use currently
u double ur haste when pressing ca
thats big pog
zinc heron
I do feel like EC is the hero talent that could get incarn cd reducer
nova ocean
Os reduces ca by 60 seconds and does shit when u press it and doesn't reduce the duration of ca
Whirling makes no sense now u literally taking it to get one extra charge
craggy sonnet
Whirling shouldn't make the duration shorter if they want it to be a 2min cd
it doesnt anymore tho?
nova ocean
O did they remove that part?
craggy sonnet
yes
nova ocean
That makes more sense then
But still don't think a extra charge makes much sense as a choice node with os
nova ocean
They are both bad
zinc heron
Yes it’s just 1 more charge
And duration lowered to 12s
Instead of 1 incarn of 20s it’s 2 of 24
zinc heron
Double proc of stuff
At least that’s what it was doing in the beta
Oh WS now don’t reduce duration derp OS 4ever dead
lofty depot
really makes no sense
pvpers prefer it
lofty depot
yessem
zinc heron
I just saw some numbers and holy hell OS will have a pick rate of -1000% if it don’t change
true viper
sweet vigil
average boomkin main house
drifting nova
I just saw some numbers and holy hell OS will have a pick rate of -1000% if it ...
operating spec?
lucid olive
average boomkin main house
super cozy
zinc heron
operating spec?
Orbital strike
pseudo merlin
i like that you can levitate your house
how the fuck do you get up there
warm vector
How's Boomy looking on Beta atm in terms of damage, anyone got a log they can share?
delicate perch
gotta stop looking at arctics screenshots
violet fern
bites into chmikens yummy.
delicate perch
My fault for knowing how to read
pallid bay
i changed it a bit
floating chair and rp as thanos
vale pebble
and i didnt see boomkin on a single one
u didnt look at mine i guess
round field
U smell
magic glen
beta damage doesnt matter, still 3 month to go and final tuning isnt out yet.
round field
Im gonna start showering in the morning...
jade flume
Shower in the morning and evening
wicked notch
Hey guys him new, just joined 👋🏻
Just started playing boomie in m+ and enjoying it so far!
round field
good
pseudo merlin
Just started playing boomie in m+ and enjoying it so far!
uncut roost
Shower in the morning and evening
Just live in the shower
elder remnant
shower before bed = bis
Correct
exotic perch
Shower in the morning and evening
only way
workout in morning then shower and day is great
jade flume
Im the evening workout guy ngl, i can barely wake up for work 
wispy grove
average boomkin main house
Please come do my house k thx
pseudo merlin
Correct
Does that mean you get your stanky ass out of bed in the morning without showering?
OR you shower twice?
maiden pasture
Not stinky if you showered the night before mate
zinc heron
You still sweat while you sleep lol
maiden pasture
So you sleep all stinky after sweating all day?
lofty depot
meanwhile people gotta walk to find water
maiden pasture
Showering 4x a day is just greedy
zinc heron
Btw trying to come up with an idea for an usable Orbital strike has been the hardest thing in a while lol
lofty depot
make it do more damage
lofty depot
i also said that before aswell
meager storm
but with the whirling nerf it may see some play on high keys lowkey
lofty depot
highkey lowkey
maiden pasture
make stellar flare procs shooting stars
but then we go back to df S1 where you applying stellar flare to every mob in aoe (for sure happened and wasn't turbo low on prio)
pallid bay
The talent also kinda dosnt make sense
meager storm
stellar flare was removed
we only got flare when u OS
so
just make it proc shooting stars
pallid bay
Damage on use paired with a 24s mediocre dot
meager storm
pallid bay
Instead of just more cd
meager storm
well a big 2 min cd is good, the issue is its not big 
zinc heron
Thing is it has to compete with 1 full eclipse charge which is impossible
Since 1 eclipse charge is so much output
zinc heron
but with the whirling nerf it may see some play on high keys lowkey
What nerf?
pseudo merlin
meanwhile people gotta walk to find water
yeah I gotta walk to the store to find water
that's like 3 miles uphill
meager storm
i guess u havent played since whirling was introduced
it ruduces the cd to 100s
now only reduces by 60s
zinc heron
I mean yes it’s a bit of a nerf but it’s still better since it no longer reduces duration
Still way better than OS
Eclipse charge procs bolts + extra 20s of buffs it’s just too much for OS to overcome
meager storm
bolts dont do as much as u think
zinc heron
I wonder if making OS a capstone (replacing denizens, put denizens in KotG already for gods sakes) as a a 45s or 90s CD would be best but idk what it should do
zinc heron
bolts dont do as much as u think
The whole combination of what that extra charge does is way more than what OS + flare do
Coupled with +10% haste lol
meager storm
OS saw play when pulsar was a thing, it will be niche but it can see play again
lucid olive
I miss 3 min cd
meager storm
i miss 60% uptime on CA
jade flume
meanwhile people gotta walk to find water
If taylor swift can fly a plane to do groceries every day
on god im gonna shower more than once a day
jade flume
No, i just like to do it
lofty depot
Showering waste my time
maiden pasture
2 a day is valid
lofty depot
5min shower
maiden pasture
just lazy
lofty depot
In and out
zinc heron
to have the need to shower multiple times per day
When waking up, b4 going to work, when getting home from work, before going to sleep
lofty depot
What do u mean waking up and then before work what
maiden pasture
legit
what are u doing between wwaking up and going to work
that u need to shower again
lofty depot
I wake up and go to work
maiden pasture
if u go gym its valid but u dont need to shower to go to the gym if you showered right before sleeping
lucid olive
They should make OS a 90s CD and CA be 2 min baseline
zinc heron
What do u mean waking up and then before work what
Wake up straight to shower depending what wife wanna do, b4 going to work because well you going to work, when coming home from 8+ hours of work , b4 going to sleep help with sleeping (at least it does for me)
delicate perch
Do you wake up and go to work 12 hours later
Once a day is insane but twice before going to work sounds like ocd
zinc heron
Wake up and usually go to work 4-5 hours later, guess I just got used to shower that many times a day
lofty depot
i wake up at 645 and drive to work
zinc heron
Helps my wife likes to bathe a lot also lol
zinc heron
Today for example I work from 2pm till 12 am
Woke up at 8am
Once when I woke up, another b4 I left at like 12:30, another when getting home
Today is probably 3 depending on how late I go to bed
craggy sonnet
They should make OS a 90s CD and CA be 2 min baseline
Real.
The 45/90 and 60/120 dream
exotic perch
nah it should be reversed
zinc heron
They should make OS a 90s CD and CA be 2 min baseline
Hmmm what would happen with WS then just be 2nd charge no more cd reduction?
exotic perch
OS should be the 2 charge ability
and the other option revisit the incarn of old where its a mega cd
OS as a concept is perfect for dungeons
multiple charges slam into a pack to put dots up
exotic perch
that is what the incarn option should be with convoke
lucid olive
yeah
exotic perch
you choose CA or 2 charges of OS
lucid olive
i think reworking EG would be the better choice there
exotic perch
then at the bottom its 3min incarn or 2min convoke
and the cds all pair up that way
lucid olive
honestly EG should be "convoke casts more spells + higher chance of Full Moon" vs "duration of Incarn is increased by 3 sec per 80 AP spent"
exotic perch
the idea of OS just shotting laser beam doing dam and dotting things is sick for dungeons or if in raid a bunch of adds spawn
yea or if they dont like the extendo on incarn
make it like venthyr
just more casts inside gives haste or something
lucid olive
streaking stars
zinc heron
OS be 90s cd while WS be 2 min with 2 charges is probably the most simple way of doing it
lofty depot
Once when I woke up, another b4 I left at like 12:30, another when getting home
My gf "what does he do between like shit his pants, why does he need 4 showers, I have so many questions"
zinc heron
My gf "what does he do between like shit his pants, why does he need 4 showers, ...
Idk man I got used to it
Burning hot water helps me relax and think
lofty depot
5 minutes of my life gone
zinc heron
Bro we play wow we already gave away enough hours to not care lol
loud kettle
I use those hours to have fun actually
elder remnant
Does that mean you get your stanky ass out of bed in the morning without showeri...
wtf you doing in your sleep that’s making you stanky 💀
drifting nova
elder remnant
My gf "what does he do between like shit his pants, why does he need 4 showers, ...
Incredibly wholesome that Arctic tells his gf about our silly little discussions in balance chat
pseudo merlin
wtf you doing in your sleep that’s making you stanky 💀
Bamkin things
lofty depot
Incredibly wholesome that Arctic tells his gf about our silly little discussions...
i was in the car and asked if she thought it was normal for someone to take 4 showers in a day
zinc heron
wtf you doing in your sleep that’s making you stanky 💀
If you have to ask….
unborn meadow
is secondary stat feast better than main stat at this point in the expansion?
lofty depot
is secondary stat feast better than main stat at this point in the expansion?
u can sim the diff to tell
spice roost
with starcaller do u only hit starfall on st when u geta proc or do u try to force a starsurge proc
on beta
lofty depot
well normally its you press surge and then get free starfalls cuz surge does more damage on st generally
in beta thats not the case
starfall with all the talents and other shit is doing a lot of damage
they will likely nerf starfall or some of the talents around it
dense steeple
do u think they buff other stuff if they do that to compensate
No
lofty depot
just opinion
nah they hate us
spice roost
lol
dense steeple
We'll get a slight tuning of about a 2% aura buff after RWF
After they kill starfall before launch i mean
vital hound
We'll get a slight tuning of about a 2% aura buff after RWF
and itll actually be 1%
because of rounding
dense steeple
Yeah
vital hound
i think there's a chance i have a menty b and quit before release at this point
everytime i log into beta i hate it
vital hound
i think id honestly just rather not play the game
dense steeple
Why should we care when our devs dont
dense steeple
Lets not get too hasty
vital hound
spring pagoda
You can’t win
vital hound
we have normal test tonight and i might feral
cause you can just press one button ezpz
drifting nova
everytime i log into beta i hate it
then do not
vital hound
then do not
have to unforch
drifting nova
simply say no
vital hound
cant be done
vital hound
dense steeple
Youre welcome
lofty depot
After they kill starfall before launch i mean
gonna nerf starfall like they did in bfa and we wont press it til 9+
locken
dense steeple
drifting nova
movement back when
delicate perch
have to unforch
Have to 
lucid olive
might even go as far as becoming a contributing member of society
only thing you contribute to is a bar tab
vital hound
only thing you contribute to is a bar tab
???
lucid olive
No just a kiwi
spice roost
oh lol
lucid olive
we have normal test tonight and i might feral
Tell them your nan died
lucid olive
Wdym
vital hound
i am not telling my guild that my nan died in order to not raid for an hour
lucid olive
That's a classic excuse to skip a raid
meager storm
lucid olive
You gotta remember when you join a new guild or find a new job all your grandparents are alive
vital hound
spice roost
i feel like gamz done this before
lofty depot
That's a classic excuse to skip a raid
classic excuse to skip college morning class
one of my stats class, the teacher told a story idk if it was theirs but someone moved a class from 8am to 10am and the % of missed classes and "grandparents that died" went down 90%
out theres saving lives
spice roost
wait u had to make an excuse for skipping a college class arent u normally over 18 at that point and can just not showup . are they actually checking on you for missing a class
id get it if it was a bunch of times but missing one class is wwhatever
lofty depot
wait u had to make an excuse for skipping a college class arent u normally over ...
attendance score !!?!
but yea i didnt care
spice roost
its been a while for me since i been in college i didnt know if things were the same tbh
delicate perch
i am not telling my guild that my nan died in order to not raid for an hour
tell them you're doing a subathon
🐼
vital hound
grave cargo
Any streamers doin moonkin content on ytb or twitch ? Cant find much 😅
copper gate
You gotta remember when you join a new guild or find a new job all your grandpar...
Lmfao
brazen badge
the shroom that procs with sunfire is the most anti druid thing i ever seen
jade flume
You gotta remember when you join a new guild or find a new job all your grandpar...
Why tho
Just say they died but dont specify when
brazen badge
Why
The whole thing of mushrooms is blooming at the dark cause the sun is a deadly laser
If was moonfire it will be okay, or instead could be any plant that like the sun
Thats why forager, forage early in the morning because many shrooms rot during the afternoon
spice roost
oh rp reasons ok
drifting nova
still waiting for wrath to return to green
round field
roleplayers should not be allowed to talk here
quiet drift
Tmyk
plucky valley
spice roost
what exaclty is this looks kinda good
plucky valley
what exaclty is this looks kinda good
Red velvet cake with cream cheese frosting
spice roost
ah ok
plucky valley
The appeal of this cake is that it’s red, that’s like 80% of why it’s typically a crowd favorite
round field
i think it looks fine
craggy sonnet
Iqni only has an aversion against fatty food. Ton of sugar is fine
drifting nova
Red velvet cake with cream cheese frosting
but where chocolate
plucky valley
but where chocolate
It’s actually visible in the bottom right of the picture. I did not take a picture of the chocolate cake though, so I apologize.
spice roost
Iqni only has an aversion against fatty food. Ton of sugar is fine
red velvet with cream cheese frosting is basicly the epitome of fatty foods tho isnt it
same idea
that suger turns into fat
craggy sonnet
Hey, i don't make the rules
spice roost
XD
round field
red velvet with cream cheese frosting is basicly the epitome of fatty foods tho ...
just cause it makes you fat doesnt make it fatty food
spice roost
its loaded with suger that makes it fatty food
depends how you look at it i guess
You are what u eat
Lol
plucky valley
It’s spelled sugar
spice roost
didnt ask
exotic perch
its loaded with suger that makes it fatty food
Sugar is carbohydrates not fat tho
craggy sonnet
I think the point was that it gets converted and stored as fat ultimately
spice roost
^
craggy sonnet
Unlucky. Tier list season started and petko gave us horrible to play+bad tuning. Guess we are fucked, wcyd. Surely a very valid opinion
spice roost
lol
spice roost
Unlucky. Tier list season started and petko gave us horrible to play+bad tuning....
watching petko vids unlucky indeed
grave cargo
Unlucky. Tier list season started and petko gave us horrible to play+bad tuning....
If he could stop creating clickbait shit content, would be cool for everyone 🤣🤣🤣
spice roost
hes making money he aint stopping
grave cargo
Idc i dont look his vids hahaha "alpha first day tierlist for dumbass monkas" 😂
spice roost
If he could stop creating clickbait shit content, would be cool for everyone 🤣�...
if u dont care why say this
round field
horrible to play sounds pretty accurate at least
spice roost
ya i mean it does feel correct in that way
grave cargo
if u dont care why say this
Cuz i just find hes doing shit content that's all haha
supple pine
on araz mythic, it is barely worth to swap to aoe talents with current gear, or?
lucid olive
Are you reclearing
supple pine
Are you reclearing
yeah
lucid olive
Just go to a wheel spinner website and have it choose your talents it literally doesn't matter
exotic perch
i played ST last time and starfalled when some adds came out that was about it
just do 1b dmg on the burn and you are good
lofty depot
who cares
spice roost
@nimble tangle incase u didnt scroll 10 lines up
lolol
complete clickbait tho atleast about tuning idk tthe play part is purely subjective to him
lofty depot
i have to watch content i dont care about to keep frogs in check
his "bad tuning" part is cuz starfall is pressed on st
complains about capstones not being taken when we only took 1/3 the whole expansion
and now we might take 2/5
but u misrepresent his "bad tuning" because u click baited
congratz
spice roost
did u really expect a valid reasoning for his claims
lofty depot
starfalling on st is a valid reason
lofty depot
thats all he said
lofty depot
trueeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
spice roost
lol all tierlists are jsut stupid imo
royal zenith
it's just content
spice roost
especially beta
royal zenith
it's not that deep
exotic perch
JUST PLAY WHAT YOU ENJOY
lofty depot
yea thankfully peopel talk about them
spice roost
ya hes just farming money off people
royal zenith
JUST PLAY WHAT YOU ENJOY
spice roost
in the end hes winning with making money tbh and people watching his lists are the suckers
so w for him
spice roost
^
lucid olive
complains about capstones not being taken when we only took 1/3 the whole expans...
"capstones" is such a fake concept imo
if it's used for the bottom part of the tree that is locked behind the 20 point gate it's fine
but the bottom row of talents isnt worth more than other talents in that gate
craggy sonnet
they are / used to be tho across specs
lucid olive
not really no
craggy sonnet
you have to invest additional points to unlock pathing to them
well, they are usually meant to be more interesting effects / new abilities / gameplay-defining or altering
lucid olive
is that "usually meant" communicated by devs or made up by the community
craggy sonnet
it is objectively the case if you look around
lucid olive
its not though
the bottom row of moonkin talents don't matter when the row above has FoE/NM/Incarn/Convoke that are the key choices
craggy sonnet
yes okay
spice roost
i think he means other specs
lucid olive
yeah but its also the case for other specs
craggy sonnet
obv if its a followup node
spice roost
not jsut moonkin maybe
lucid olive
the bottom row isn't meant to be some giga powerful effect
craggy sonnet
then they are to be viewed in tandem
lucid olive
there isn't a set rule
it all just depends what the designer decided to do when making it
craggy sonnet
convoke/incarn + eg are basically just a 2 rank capstone
lucid olive
some of them probably have good nodes at the bottom row, and others use that row as extra effects to enhance the thing pathing into it
craggy sonnet
yes
lucid olive
this is a capstone
craggy sonnet
but still the tandem nodes have the same concept
lucid olive
my point is that the concept of "capstones should always be taken" is just made up cause people have their own ideas on how the bottom row is supposed to be when evidence suggests that it all just doesn't fucking matter
royal zenith
it wouldn't make sense in a game like wow, to give your strongest abilities last
craggy sonnet
obv there are devs that do things just as awkward as putting umbral embrace down there
royal zenith
else you won't be using CA till your max level
craggy sonnet
it wouldn't make sense in a game like wow, to give your strongest abilities last
has anyone said that?
lucid olive
royal zenith
the whole tree is built around leveling either way
royal zenith
we usually just look at it from a endgame pov
craggy sonnet
well, they are usually meant to be more interesting effects / new abilities / ga...
i care if denizens is a capstone because of this
lucid olive
i can agree that having fun nodes locked behind the 20 point gate is good
but the very bottom row it doesn't matter
craggy sonnet
denizens is useless fluff
lucid olive
you say "usually meant to be" like there is a set rule for it
craggy sonnet
with idk 5% swings pull by pull
lucid olive
and not just your headcanon of what spec design should be
craggy sonnet
there are surely internal guidelines
but wcyd if there is just 1 dev doing whatever they want
exotic perch
with idk 5% swings pull by pull
they could design dragons to be consistent
but they dont
like every eclipse one procs or something
craggy sonnet
fun and interactive
lucid olive
the devs care much more about the tree making sense when you're leveling
in how power is given gradually when gaining levels
craggy sonnet
is that your headcanon?
exotic perch
its pretty consistent with all specs when leveling
major cds are dead center of the trees
lucid olive
is that your headcanon?
no thats what they've said
exotic perch
beginning is the rotational abilities
lucid olive
during DF beta and times after in interviews about new talent trees
exotic perch
wow is an rpg game so it tracks
craggy sonnet
in the end it doesnt matter for the performance of a spec what points you pick for the best build
doesnt mean its well designed tho
exotic perch
that is the nature of talent trees
and was the main issue with moving from shadowlands to DF
with more options means more cookie cutter
royal zenith
it's been bad, is it bad and it will be bad
cause you will always focus on what is not working
versus what is working
exotic perch
there was more variation honestly with the old trees
since you only had to balance 3 choices against each other
lucid olive
old trees also came with like
spice roost
there was also no pathing much in old trees
lucid olive
azerite power, essences, legion legendaries, covenant abilities and soulbinds etc
royal zenith
spy is talking about the 3 choices per line
lucid olive
that definitely added to the variation
craggy sonnet
who cares, there aint more relevant choices to make now than back then
royal zenith
not the old old talent trees
tardy hare
Anyone know how can I see where my pets are dying? From logs
exotic perch
ye gamz is right though there was more systems to give variation besides that
exotic perch
who cares, there aint more relevant choices to make now than back then
i personally think hero talents and these new apex ones are to blame for this
lucid olive
the DF talent trees were meant to take the variation in all the borrowed power systems and somewhat bake them into your tree
royal zenith
now you get apex talents within a hero talent tree, within a spec tree, within a class tree
🤯
lucid olive
i personally think hero talents and these new apex ones are to blame for this
yeah more tuning knobs = larger discrepancy in power between choices
exotic perch
yep
like hero talents could have been integrated into the existing tree
and it would have more variation
craggy sonnet
technically new trees mean that people are able to just cook their own builds (if they dont care about cookie cutter stuff) and there is probably more variation there. but likely equally as many people just feel overwhelmed with the sheer number of abilities to pick from, evaluate and put together synergies
lucid olive
i said it before TWW that hero trees should just be cosmetic visual effect changers
exotic perch
there is barely anything to cook with the hero trees though lmao
lucid olive
i stand by that
exotic perch
them making it where you pick literally all the talents
and the choice ones are like 95/5
royal zenith
I don't think you can compare these type of talent trees with like a poe talent tree
they very obviously decide for you, what playstyles there are
best example is Devourer
craggy sonnet
there is barely anything to cook with the hero trees though lmao
hero trees are basically them giving you the two valid build avenues
exotic perch
yep which if they wanted to could be in the main tree
craggy sonnet
its a much more obvious and easy choice like this
for people
choose package A or B
exotic perch
left side could be the dot based nature spells, right could be the arcane/more spender oriented spells
exotic perch
i just hate them adding more and more
craggy sonnet
gotta advertise something
exotic perch
give me one singular talent tree
craggy sonnet
then advertise the pruning
exotic perch
that is robust and unique
craggy sonnet
to advertise the new stuff on top
lofty depot
you say "usually meant to be" like there is a set rule for it
think it just comes from the old classic talent pages being progressive down
royal zenith
Im not a old-skool wow gamer
but did people actually calculate impact
with the old old talent trees?
maybe they will also just prune this shit at some point, add-on style
raidbots need to go
exotic perch
yea it was far easier too
raidbots didnt have to do much
and only 4/7 of the rows were dps oriented
spice roost
simulationcraft worked as a standalone way back like before raidbots was a thing
it does still tbh
craggy sonnet
i guess somewhat simulation stuff started in wotlk even
spice roost
ya exactly
craggy sonnet
before that mostly elitist jerks forum yapping i think. but folks did do math
pretty early on
spice roost
that and mmo champ
spice roost
was abit more to it in tbc but still ez to understand
and same with wwrath
They really need to work on tooltips better in modern wow
cloud citrus
i mean
most of the talents in vanilla are basically similar written nodes they took out because they were just passive 2/2 point nodes to fill out hte tree in DF
lofty depot
lol can go to the wotlk talents where rogues didnt anything under muta and went into sub talents
cloud citrus
Pve you used both of those underneath
the 2nd one was slice and dice refresh and the last one was a 5% increase in dam
spice roost
anything under muta <:huh:1130530828028489888>
Anything under the talent node for mutalation
lofty depot
the 2nd one was slice and dice refresh and the last one was a 5% increase in dam
well yea, the point was prep and the energy cost reduction but its the thing i remembered about u not wanting the last talents
cloud citrus
a right
spice roost
Only went about half way down in each tree with that build
glad rock
royal zenith
agree maiku
maiden pasture
:3
sharp zenith
my trees are not casting moonfire anymore on dimensius
and i seem to be generating less ap - but i was guardian for the last 3 weeks, so am i confused or is something off on this boss
spice roost
Either ur build is different or u remember wrong about prior to 3 weeks ago via suggested ap difference
lofty depot
nah, the trees sometimes just dont do it
lofty depot
it hasnt, they might have just not noticed it
spice roost
Ah I see
lofty depot
its happened for longer than just the last 3 weeks
spice roost
The boss hitbox screws so much up
sharp zenith
ye the AP might just be me, ive just had a few times where i dont have AP when casting my 2nd CA in burst for 2 surges
the trees sometimes not doing a single moonfire is messed up too
so sometimes i have to refresh moonfire in burst, never had to do that on NK im pretty sure
weve only been on dimensius for 3 weeks so
lofty depot
have u considered ur playing wrong
sharp zenith
ye definitely
lofty depot
show log plz
lofty depot
so sometimes i have to refresh moonfire in burst, never had to do that on NK im ...
ur playing wrong
because u dont have to press moonfire in 2nd ca during burst
so uhh
log?
jade flume
Fly high brother
lofty depot
u had time to post but not time to go to warcraft logs and copy the link
spice roost
Arctic just wants a reason to pick apart your log lol
sharp zenith
u had time to post but not time to go to warcraft logs and copy the link
i am also raid leading please forgive me ok
sharp zenith
Fly high brother
made it to second platform first time how hyped am i
we died to the nova for no reason at all immediately
sharp zenith
idk i feel like my trees would always just handle the first refresh of moonfire for me
and now they dont
but ye could be
lofty depot
i just sunfire and moonfire while moving to the edge of the tank circle
i dont think it really bothers me
i cast sunfire while moving from the excess mass to middle
then moonfire from middle to edge
sometimes if leftside slow i dont have globals and press sunfire then moonfire
mind u im also pressing regrowth in that time frame
sharp zenith
ye makes sense, kinda what ive been trying to do - just that i remember not having to refresh moonfire there normally on nk
but fair enough
sharp zenith
this is a good tip ty
lofty depot
NK isnt dimmy
sharp zenith
ye gg
lofty depot
craggy sonnet
Yes. But also the trees sometimes don't hit dimmy p1
sharp zenith
ill go back to guardian next week
lofty depot
theres an actual cast of regrowth
sharp zenith
thanks
lofty depot
idk just press earlier
lofty depot
ill go back to guardian next week
u should get better at wild charging to your spot
u wild charge to not your spot and spam sunfire
sharp zenith
ye i know
best part of dimensius is getting that down tbh, feels great when you nail the timing
but ye first night + raid leading + we raid once a week and ive been raid logging so i am mighty rusty
not to make excuses for my dogshit subpar play of course
lofty depot
if u stand at the wrong of the uhh pull down circle thing for 1ish seconds
u can cast a wrath
then wrath end when circle goes away
big minmax
(p1 is cringe)
lofty depot
i cast regrowth, big delay 🙂
sharp zenith
then wrath end when circle goes away
i am always out of my eclipse suddenly
and need to cast starfire during these sometimes
that is the worst part for me
lofty depot
yea its cringe
craggy sonnet
big minmax
big big wrath casts outside of cds
sharp zenith
me trying to explain to my raid why my class does nothing to the adds
get told to go feral for the 999th time
lofty depot
tell them feral doesnt do anything to them either
craggy sonnet
i thought you are RL?
sharp zenith
yea
craggy sonnet
who the heck tells their RL to play another spec?
sharp zenith
its memes man
sharp zenith
ye our side is fast
craggy sonnet
good
sharp zenith
ye im not gonna hit them if the bar is red
since our aug went dev we are ahead on our side, we have the ele so
lofty depot
ahve u considered u have 4 melee on one side and 2 on the other
but yea ur damage is diabolical
paper cosmos
am i always pooling both charges of CE for convoke or is that only on pull?
lofty depot
depends on kill time
sharp zenith
why would i hit the adds if they die faster than the other side
paper cosmos
so if i can get another convoke in for the fight i dont pool
lofty depot
why would i hit the adds if they die faster than the other side
if one side is having trouble and the other is always ahead
sharp zenith
its not trouble
lofty depot
maybe u should fix the equilibrium of damage
sharp zenith
it dies in time
lofty depot
so if i can get another convoke in for the fight i dont pool
ye
but if hte fight is like 330 iirc, u hold 3rd ca and convoke so u can double ca with the 4th ca
lucid olive
@pallid bay should be illegal to have your guild neighborhood be closed
i was tryna snoop
pallid bay
<@148552191874039808> should be illegal to have your guild neighborhood be close...
Not sure someone made the active decision to close it tbh
lucid olive
idk i couldn't go visit it
royal zenith
maybe that's why
rich jewel
Can you just go visit random guilds otherwise?
lucid olive
they need to be on your bnet
stone ledge
u should delay ur cds on platform 1 by 2 gcds
What if I’m grabbing bottom orb 🥲
lofty depot
maybe u dont have to
wait bottom meaning under platform or
the bottom ones under the lazer
i grab one of those and need 2 gcds
lofty depot
yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
craggy sonnet
smh my head
lofty depot
also timing for the move
lofty depot
maybe
craggy sonnet
also timing for the move
how does it help timing it for the move?
lofty depot
felt better having it later in the run
regal bronze
how do i make a macro so that it shows whichever of the talent is picked (force of nature x warrior of elune)?
i tried this one but doesnt seem to work
#showtooltip /cast [talent:1/1] Force of Nature; [talent:1/2] Warrior of Elune
lofty depot
#showtooltip
/cast [known:205636,@cursor] Force of Nature;
/cast [known:202425] Warrior of Elune;
regal bronze
#showtooltip
/cast [known:205636,@cursor] Force of Nature;
/cast [known:202425] ...
wth since when did it became so complex to make a macro like that? where are those numbers from?
lofty depot
i dont think its actually that complex
theres probably an easier way
those numbers are the spell id
in midnight warrior of elune is gone
lucid olive
nah don't believe him
arctic made those numbers up
you use that macro and he gets mailed your ssn and three funny digits on your bank card
gusty bough
Hi everyone, I have a quick (and maybe dumb) question for Balance Druids.
I noticed that the Full Moon animation hasn’t been showing at all — I’ve seen forum posts saying this has been broken since September.
Is this really still not fixed?
I was thinking about returning for Legion Remix and later Midnight, and this was literally the first thing I checked… and it honestly shocked me a bit.
Can someone confirm if the Full Moon visual is still bugged, or if there’s a workaround?
Thanks in advance!
regal bronze
#showtooltip
/cast [known:205636,@cursor] Force of Nature;
/cast [known:202425] ...
how do u find spell ids in game?
craggy sonnet
Hi everyone, I have a quick (and maybe dumb) question for Balance Druids.
I noti...
its fixed in midnight beta
craggy sonnet
how do u find spell ids in game?
plenty of tooltip addons show them when hovering a spell
idTip for example is probably the simplest standalone one
lofty depot
Hi everyone, I have a quick (and maybe dumb) question for Balance Druids.
I noti...
its been broken far before september
but yea is fixed in midnight
gusty bough
its been broken far before september
No comments really. Thanks for the info.... 😛
lofty depot
welcome to retail
lucid olive
how do u find spell ids in game?
tons of ways
idtip addon, looking the spell up on wowhead or any other website, pretty sure elvui has it baked in and probably a ton of other addons and sources have them
if you just google a spell
like "starfall wow"
then top hit is likely wowhead
and the spellID is the number in the website url
https://www.wowhead.com/spell=191034/starfall
craggy sonnet
wowhead can be kinda iffy tho if there are multiple entries / effects with the same name
but for straight up abilities its mostly fine
novel mantle
Curious is ther only defensive for balance barkskin? or is there any others? i know about renewal to
rage of sleeper? survival insteincts
grizzled shoal
bear form
lucid olive
bear form, barkskin and regrowth
lucid olive
technically heart of the wild on beta
cursive mirage
novel mantle
FRENZIED REGEN
with my talent choices though i think regien is auto?
lucid olive
not if you press bear form
novel mantle
not if you press bear form
oh ty much, does rage fo the sleeper work to?
lucid olive
that's not a moonkin ability
novel mantle
i know its a bear one
oh wait i see nvm
So when I am balanced druid in mid combat and want to use frenzied regeneration will I have any rage to be able to use it or Do I have to do a bear attack and then press it?
lucid olive
it doesn't cost any rage for moonkin
you just go bear form and press the button
but you have to stay in bear form for the duration, if you shift out then you lose the effect
novel mantle
but you have to stay in bear form for the duration, if you shift out then you lo...
okay, This might sound stupid but if I'm not using it some of the time in the dungeons currently and let's say I'm doing up to maybe 13 14 at the highest and my gear catches up to it Will it matter that much? Of course while using regrowth Or renewal still
lucid olive
if you're not dying then it doesn't matter
novel mantle
I want to just complete all the fifteens really I don't plan on going any higher lol
novel mantle
heals for beans
lmao
delicate perch
ok
spice roost
boomie is just squishy af outside of bear it is what it is
lofty depot
heals for beans
gives me int tho
round field
Too bad ur int irl is too low
delicate perch
Too bad ur int irl is too low
NA debuff 
meager storm
@quiet drift ap or ad smolder enjoyer?
maiden pasture
AP smolder aka elo terrorism
novel mantle
boomie is just squishy af outside of bear it is what it is
Is feral less squishy?