balance

[dry compass]

Given the state of the whole AAA industry I don't think it's unreasonable to say that corporate interests are pretty bad for game quality

[tired granite]

Now you can make the value judgment that that attribution of manpower is a more valuable usage for the longevity of the game (I personally don't) but saying that there hasn't been a reduction is turbo blizzard shill cope

[dry compass]

The once-legendary blizzard polish has long since been sacrificed on the altar of quarterly profits

[royal zenith]

the argument of "we don't work at blizzard so we can't know" can be said for defending blizzard too

[lucid olive]

I'm not saying there hasn't been a reduction in content, I said we didn't lose a raid tier developing housing cause you can point to a lot of other factors why it's reduced

[royal zenith]

maybe the issue is transparancy 🙂

[eager raft]

I think they’ve probably just realized that the current state of end game content design doesn’t hurt their bottom line

[lucid olive]

But blaming the drop in quality and quantity of content being developed on housing is "turbo blizzard hate cope"

[eager raft]

So from their perspective, as a business, why invest more into better/more polished content when they’re making the same money and keeping the same amount of subs either way

[royal zenith]

kinda all depends on the defintion of what is good enough for them

but gallywix is a product of insanity

smile

[lucid olive]

Should also hear Ion's speech at that game dev conference in Sweden a few months back talking about stuff they've learned from developing and maintaining a live service game

[tired granite]

So again there are all of these reasons why blizzard had to reduce content but still had manpower to work on another project

Come on dude

Get it together

[lucid olive]

And that feature took them years

You could probably get a banger raid tier if they spent the same amount of time making it

If they relaxed on their pushing for deadlines and 8 week patch schedule we could probably have higher quality and quantity content as well

[dry compass]

But then Daddy Microsoft would be unhappy

[abstract parrot]

its really depressing to only get three raids in an expac. i feel like TWW is missing a raid's worth of build up to MFO

[eager raft]

My issue is that the expansion time isn’t even really shorter

[lucid olive]

TWW definitely is shorter

[eager raft]

Not by much

Not by the length of a tier

[lucid olive]

not by much from DF but definitely from the previous ones

[dry compass]

Why do 5 tier expac when can do 3 tier expac and make you buy more expacs

[eager raft]

I’d rather there not be a fated season but if the alternative is a 30 week season 3

I’d rather have farted

[dry compass]

They truncate their own storylines and enforce those restrictions entirely on themselves for the sole purpose of making their remaining user base buy expacs more frequently

[lucid olive]

idk, time from BFA release to Shadowlands original release date (before delays) are 829 days, and TWW launch to Midnight is 553 days

[abstract parrot]

MFO would’ve been so much cooler if we got a patch like ToS to build up the final patch

[eager raft]

bfa had 4 raid tiers and was in the middle of a global pandemic

[lucid olive]

from looking at the release dates of raid tiers there's like 200 ish days between each

[eager raft]

Completely incomparable

[abstract parrot]

i like MFO as it is but man it feels bad to go from goblins underground to space adventure story

[lucid olive]

Shadowlands was announced before the pandemic

which is why I took the original release date and not the delayed one

[eager raft]

Oh sorry you said original release

[lucid olive]

yeah october 27, it ended up releasing late november

Like the patch this week is where we would be getting fated if they had done it

[dry compass]

It gets better when you realize the entire narrative purpose of undermine was to have the ethereals steal the dark heart from gallywix

[eager raft]

An entire extra 12 boss raid tho

Than what TWW had

[dry compass]

They couldn't figure out how to tie in undermine any better than that

[eager raft]

plus a mid tier raid earlier in the expac

[lucid olive]

Undermine did bang on its own tbh

greatest zone they've made

[dry compass]

Undermine was an amazing zone but it's narrative inclusion is jarring

[eager raft]

I don’t need everything to be directly part of an overarching story line

I’m ok with undermine being mostly self contained when it’s well done

[dry compass]

Perfectly fine to take side adventures, but it's blizzards choice not to make undermine self contained

You can easily have gazlowe turn up and say we're needed in undermine and we have no idea where xalatath is for now anyway and accomplish the same thing

Idk the carelessness with the story is the biggest red flag of corporatism tbh

[lucid olive]

but then Xalatath wouldn't be as established as the puppet master

and being on her side in Manaforge would feel more out of place

[dry compass]

Trusting gallywix not to fuck up and failing establishes her as a puppet master?

Her losing the dark heart can be accomplished in a conversation, doesn't need to be a whole tier to make that narrative advancement

The player knows gallywix is untrustworthy and mostly incompetent and has since cataclysm

I don't think it advances xalatath's Machiavellian character aspect at all for her to be screwed over by him

That's what the player already knows will happen one way or another the second he's involved, and makes xalatath seem ignorant, not in control

[pseudo merlin]

Boys

This is the balance channel

Please stay on topic, thanks

Or id have to notify a moderator

[lofty depot]

Screwed over but still ended up with the dark heart

So that "screw over" didn't matter and she prevailed

[idle flame]

Hello chickens

I drew you guys as wee chickens. Wanted to share it with yous

Thought you might like it

[gusty sluice]

i CANT. react to this omg its so cute i love your art style

[lucid olive]

finally a picture that isn't AI

@mighty mica can i get an anti-ew

[quiet drift]

❤️

[quiet drift]

real

[idle flame]

AI SUCKS

[idle flame]

❤️

[idle flame]

Thank you so much hehe I love chickens. You can expect more

[mighty mica]

you just did, i primarily "ew" to shame the ones who post it, actual art stands by itself and is wonderful

[idle flame]

Do people post ai chickens here?

[mighty mica]

unfortunately

[idle flame]

No fucking way

[mighty mica]

i'm not allowed to delete them either :)

[idle flame]

You can be absolutely terrible at art and still draw a good chicken

Embarrassing asf

[royal zenith]

well its not really an art channel so yeah

[lucid olive]

it deserves a heart react

mister moderator

[royal zenith]

1+1=2

[mighty mica]

you're right

[idle flame]

I drew this chciken 3 years ago

[lucid olive]

okay this isn't true

i am terrible at art and could not draw a good chicken

[idle flame]

Draw ur best chicken

Right now

[mighty mica]

a "poorly" drawn windows paint image is infinitely better than anything produced by genai

[royal zenith]

drawing is piss easy gamz

[idle flame]

This

And chickens are goofy so the worst chicken is still a good chicken

[royal zenith]

@lucid olive here

piss easy

[idle flame]

HOLY SHIT UR COOKING

[royal zenith]

[idle flame]

[pallid bay]

bro needs permission

😭

[mighty mica]

pvpers threw a fit and got admins involved

[pallid bay]

[idle flame]

Over u deleting ai?

[lofty depot]

Last time pvpers were listened to they got OS reverted

We need to stop them

[mighty mica]

yup

[idle flame]

Holy shit I'm ashamed to be a pvper rn

Didn't know they were cucks

[mighty mica]

[idle flame]

Delete pvp

I wish they'd re-release baby chickens in the shop or something

[lucid olive]

wthell

[idle flame]

I was too young to buy one

[royal zenith]

it's piss green

like your name

dont you appreciate it..

[lucid olive]

yeah very good

[idle flame]

Where's ur chicken ?

[lucid olive]

I gave up

[idle flame]

Wtf

[lucid olive]

I made a green field with a blue sky and a sun and then a moonkin shaped brown turd and closed it down

[idle flame]

Pla

Pls

Im so sad I need to see it

Draw it again

[quiet drift]

https://tenor.com/view/sigma-gif-1705434821941042258

[lofty depot]

Deux did a drawing so if u show anything worse u'll be worse than deux.... And my self esteem couldn't handle being worse than deux at anything

[idle flame]

Devatastating that this server is ran by fear

[royal zenith]

I lift them up

Im the bar

be better!!

[idle flame]

Beat this

[royal zenith]

[idle flame]

Fuckbi forgot his ears

And his horns

I knew he looked off

[lofty depot]

She urs looks cute and fluffy

Id draw a thing that looks like mustard

[idle flame]

I'll need proof or ur lazy like gamz

[pseudo merlin]

Cute

[idle flame]

Thank you

I meant to ask which chicken you guys would be but I forgot 😔

[pseudo merlin]

But why does the night elf have a hoove

(im not complaining)

Hoof*

Or is that a 👠

[idle flame]

It's boot 👢

I have a better image of it hold on

[pseudo merlin]

Itd be better if we could see toes tbh

[pseudo merlin]

Aaahhhhh

Ok that puts it in perspective

[idle flame]

Toes are nice

[pseudo merlin]

Cool shoes though

[idle flame]

But then she wouldn't have pants and that's not allowed

[idle flame]

Thanks ☺️

[pseudo merlin]

I mean

Ill allow it

[lofty depot]

Not home anymore rekr

[idle flame]

Excuses

[pseudo merlin]

Im this one

[idle flame]

I'm this one

Dude has a thousand mile stare

[lofty depot]

Lil gup looks scared

[pseudo merlin]

He probably saw u

[idle flame]

😔

[mighty mica]

no thoughts, head empty

[pseudo merlin]

Lore accurate

[idle flame]

When I first drew him I was like damn he kinda looks like that one meme

[pseudo merlin]

OOOOH

Took ne a sec

Ye I suppose

[idle flame]

I love these chickens so much

[pseudo merlin]

What did the server icon change to

Whats white and red

Where rainbow

[cloud citrus]

xmas??

[idle flame]

It had to have been just now

[pseudo merlin]

Silver and red*

[idle flame]

I HATE IT

[pseudo merlin]

Silver and red is xmas?

No shot

Thats green and red

[idle flame]

Maybe candy cane

But it should be white

[pseudo merlin]

Those are white

Ye

[cloud citrus]

a candy cane is white and red

[pseudo merlin]

So why is it grey silver

[idle flame]

Fix it now

Shut down the discord

[pseudo merlin]

Can anyone provide some clarity here

@lucid olive ?

[idle flame]

Ping all the mods

[pseudo merlin]

Who is even in charge, is it Cyous?

[idle flame]

@ moderator

[royal zenith]

it's xmas time ravec

duh

[idle flame]

Okay guys sleepy medicine maybe working

Goodnight

[pseudo merlin]

Ok deyx

Explain it

How is red and grey christmas

Please,the floor is yours

[pseudo merlin]

Bye, dont mix it with alcohol

[idle flame]

Cant drink for 2 weeks amuway

[pseudo merlin]

Oof

[royal zenith]

its a candy cane!

[pseudo merlin]

???

[royal zenith]

dipped in black mold

[pseudo merlin]

What kind of sad candy canes are u caning

[royal zenith]

you know very well

[pseudo merlin]

[royal zenith]

that the NL do not deal with candy canes

[pseudo merlin]

Real

Anyway I petition the nails to become 🔴 🟢

[pseudo merlin]

Thats a stripper pole

Not a candy cane

[idle flame]

Oh

Whoops

Petition the nails to become glitter ✨️

[pseudo merlin]

Im down with that

[idle flame]

So do you guys not doom about midnight here

[pseudo merlin]

Dooming is for when you think theres still hope

Its over

[lucid olive]

midnight is alright

[lofty depot]

Thyme

Thyme in charge >

[lucid olive]

xan

[mighty mica]

i physically cannot change the server icon

[lofty depot]

Rainbow lasted a while. July to Dec

[pseudo merlin]

Its not mods

U need super powers for server icons

[pseudo merlin]

Ah

Is it admins or super mods

Or both

Anyway nvm

[dense steeple]

speaking of super things

i copped a 2060 super from work today

some test workstation had one and they asked us to throw it out and so i yoinked it

[scenic plaza]

Any tips for dimensius prog, I see people talent into typhoon, what is it used for?

[dense steeple]

knocking adds in p2

[scenic plaza]

ty

[dense steeple]

Idk whypeople do it

Maybe lack of dks

[eager raft]

It’s to knock the add that is in the quadrant the group is playing in under the boss

Can be a Druid or evoker, your raid lead will assign it presumably

[lucid olive]

Knocking adds

[delicate perch]

I wait for them to be gripped in then knock

[pseudo merlin]

Damn thats crazy

[dense steeple]

im giving it to my less fortunate friend to pay it forward 😌

[pseudo merlin]

W

[livid prairie]

do you guys convoke titan on nexus king?

does it come back up for amp? i got no idea

[lofty depot]

U convoke before u go to platforms

If u convoke on Titan it won't be up

U can look at lorrgs.io to see when people use cds

[livid prairie]

Read some logs

i was holding double CA for amp

and using 1 on platform

[lofty depot]

U have double CA for amp if u use CDs at 2m

[livid prairie]

which means u can't CA on platform?

[lofty depot]

Using on platform is fine for prog

[lofty depot]

Correct

[livid prairie]

ok

[lofty depot]

U will be very low damage

If ur RL has a problem he can look at ur amp damage

[exotic perch]

Enjoy your below tank dps on platforms its how it goes

[livid prairie]

[devout hazel]

anyone got an import code for a talent build for beta? im not sure what tettles or anyone has been playing

[lofty depot]

did u read the pin

[devout hazel]

i can pretend i did, while i go read it now

ahh yeah

i totally read it mhm

[spice roost]

doubt there playing those builds in pins but like it says iits a starting point

@devout hazelCYGAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWoMbNjxMDwsMzMzMLMMzmZZmlx2wMzyYZGzMzgNMMADw22YDTzMLDAAAA2MzYmBbGGjBAMzAgZGA

try that

[lucid olive]

see

you love saying that

pin justified

[lofty depot]

clearly didnt read the pin either, smh

[vital hound]

imagine reading

[spice roost]

i did say like it says its a starting point so yes i did read it

and then i did research and testing and found better builds

my predicction is starfall is nerfed next build tho so it will change anyways imo ofc

me:quotes the pin then artic states i didnt read it smh

[lofty depot]

cant spell arctic either

smh

[spice roost]

thats your response lol

[lofty depot]

week 500

its troll o'clock

[spice roost]

sadge

[lofty depot]

shit post til midnight

lock in

[dense steeple]

Im so locked in

Check out my dog

[uncut roost]

that dog is WATCHING that deer

[stoic cove]

Hey guys, 1 super fast question:
In m+ with the elumes chosen build --> are we using starfire or wrath during CE as a builder on single target? And do you also feel left behind on single target while feeling quite okay on aoe in m+? Or is it just a "me" problem and I just suck?

[lofty depot]

starfire

read lunar calling

no u do damage in st

[dense steeple]

There was a second deer out of frame too I didn't see

He was entranced

[uncut roost]

Did he give chase!?

[lofty depot]

that wouldve been deer down in my yard

[dense steeple]

Do you not see him held by a lead

[uncut roost]

oooo i saw the harness not the lead though

good doggo

[elder remnant]

Cute puppy

[dense steeple]

Thanks hes 10 months old

[elder remnant]

Show his face

[dense steeple]

Hes very distinguished

[grizzled shoal]

so handsome

[dense steeple]

We were walking through a park and a random guy said "wow youre so handsome you could sell dog food"

I said thanks im not that bad am i. and he kind of looked at me like I was crazy

[nimble tangle]

based on current beta boomie mechanism

KOTG AOE

starfire -> full energy -> incarn/eclipse -> starfall zug zug?

[lofty depot]

i mean its the same with both both hero talents

dont knwo the target count for dotting

but u forgot trees in that sequence

[nimble tangle]

Oh yes I forgot the most important

TREE

[uncut roost]

the goodest of boys!

[elder remnant]

SO handsome

[haughty rain]

Has anyone here messed around with balance on the beta? Thoughts?

[spice roost]

best version boomie ina while imo but will see if they nuke it liek every patch where it starts out strong on beta then ,,,,

gameplay its fun tho

[haughty rain]

Do you enjoy the eclipse on demand button? That looks pretty neato

[spice roost]

yes alot more

[lofty depot]

U might enjoy the extra instant casts but specifically eclipse on demand, shrug

Would really enjoyed it during dimmy having to do excess masses

[delicate perch]

why is a pokemon talking in the boomkin channel

@scarlet tapir catch it

[lofty depot]

WOBBBBBBBBBBBBBBUFFET

[delicate perch]

you share the iq with wobbuffet

[lofty depot]

https://tenor.com/view/team-rocket-gif-25102442

[zinc heron]

Balance plays the same just that eclipse is 1 button instead of 2

Everything else is literally the same but with better visuals (bolts look great)

Rest is really just balancing number but that’s whatever

[nimble tangle]

but Elune right now is dead

[lofty depot]

thats what they always say

[drifting nova]

by the shed? wow

[round field]

Oh no what a tragedy

[spice roost]

good

[hollow mist]

@cloud plover will be so sad to hear

[royal zenith]

who

[hollow mist]

she's my friend ^_^

[scarlet tapir]

Shiny houndoom SUCKX

[delicate perch]

based

shit shiny, shit pokemon

[ionic surge]

Houndoom is such a goated design, you need to leave, shiny sucks though

[delicate perch]

design like a 7/10. gapped by the real goat of a dog though

[ionic surge]

If you say anything other than arcanine you're deadge

[delicate perch]

there is no other

[scarlet tapir]

Dachbun and froufrou clear

[delicate perch]

ref do something

[sudden flame]

penalty to real madrid

[signal temple]

[dense steeple]

I live right next to the metroparks

[hollow mist]

[cloud plover]

I'm a resto druid now it's okay

[hollow mist]

yayyy

[lucid olive]

its my favorite dogmon

love houndoom design

[ionic surge]

✅

I might get a houndoom tat if I ever decide to commit to the pokemon tattoos

[signal temple]

[pseudo merlin]

Ive always been a houndoom enjoyer too

Arcanine is cool too though

[pseudo merlin]

Wait

Why are these nails white and red

But the server icon is grey

Damn DG even has its own flag 🇩🇬

[royal zenith]

maybe it's your eyes

[round field]

time to visit eye doctor

methinks

[pseudo merlin]

Funny you should say

Im literally there now

[round field]

xd

great

[pseudo merlin]

The leg of my glasses broke

Anyway fuck the both of you

[round field]

mad?

dont be mad at me

be mad at ur weak genes

[pseudo merlin]

Not mad at bad troll

[round field]

i say this while wearing glasses

[pseudo merlin]

Its grey

[round field]

no its legit brown ish

what

[pseudo merlin]

???

[lucid olive]

yeah looks like same color thats on the paws

[round field]

thats not grey

thats from color picker right on the bright part

internet says thast

bazaar color

[pseudo merlin]

Fuck you

The server icon nails and the emoji I replied to are NOT the same color

[lucid olive]

that is true

but it is

[pseudo merlin]

I mean I believe the pictures are the same

But discord fucked it for the icon somehow

They clearly look diffy right

[lucid olive]

yeah the bright part in the emote is a little brighter than the server icon one

[pearl pivot]

it is also not the same picture

[wispy panther]

willing to pay someone alot of gold for helping me get the Tindral Sageswift, Seer of the Flame moonkin form!

[lofty depot]

Just make a group and do it?

[drifting nova]

Just get it

[wispy panther]

i have no idea how, i tried looking on youtube

[lofty depot]

The same way u make a group for any content

Type the name of the raid into th header, it'll popup with the raid

[drifting nova]

The what

[wispy panther]

what?

[drifting nova]

[lofty depot]

Have u never made a group for anything or

[drifting nova]

Toxic wtf

[lofty depot]

If kekkers can make a group....

[sudden flame]

there deff are diff

dont be gaslit

[pseudo merlin]

Thx ur a real one

I swear everyone is always gaslighting me

[drifting nova]

Wdym they are the same

[pseudo merlin]

U mean like u dont know how to make a group

Or how to get form

Because for the form you just go in and solo kill tindral on every difficulty but mythic

Then for mythic you bring a friend

Or just make a full "transmog" raid

Easier and quicker

If you have literally no gear or ur new to playing bamkin make a group for hc too rather than soloing

[wispy panther]

ty for actually being helpful :), unlike @lofty depot

[pseudo merlin]

Thats arctic, fuck arctic

[pseudo merlin]

Kekkers

Dont make me dump a load of tea bags in the thanes

Thames*

[lucid olive]

@round field thought experiment, you're playing Malphite support, the enemy team has 4 AP carries + Zed, do you build armor items since Malphite scales with it, do you buy AP for damage or do you buy MR to survive?

[pseudo merlin]

Did you know the Thames is called Isis in some parts of the world @drifting nova

[pseudo merlin]

You run it down and feed mid till its surrender O clock

[lofty depot]

Literally open the looking for group panel and type the raid in what

[drifting nova]

You mean the Danube for you no?

[pseudo merlin]

We do not call the thames the danube

What are you on about

But yes my rivers are the danube and the arges

This is the danube btw

The width of it is fucking mental

I filmed this from serbia, romania is on the other side

[eager raft]

read the pin is notorious for not being helpful

Glad ravec was here to help

[ionic surge]

The shade

[pseudo merlin]

Real

Thats what I do

Just ask LimitMax

[lofty depot]

Name literally helpful

Res never helpful

[tribal heart]

hey guys! i am trying to get comfortable with my raid rotation, and stepped into normal. i notice that generally, my starsurge damage is less than other boomkins. Can anyone look at this and help me?
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/compare/P9d2wHNhB6DZYGTC/self?fight=19%2C19&type=summary&source=860%2C852
Is it the crit difference? Trinkets? Me not starfiring in my set up? Do i need to cancel convoke? all of the above?
Thanks!

[tribal heart]

so you dont get full use out of your first CA?

[lucid olive]

no

you cancel it early

[tribal heart]

why do we moonfire if the trees are going to moonfire for us?

[lucid olive]

because trees do it later

so you risk starsurge casts hitting enemy that doesn't have moonfire part of your mastery active

it's just way more consistent

[tribal heart]

AH

[lucid olive]

and optimally you want to Moonfire first

[tribal heart]

am i tracking a specific buff before i send the second CA or just send it

[lucid olive]

since treants will reapply the dot you save 1 global on your Sunfire pandemic window pressing Moonfire first

just send it

the only buff to track is your tier set

but that's for the end of the 2nd CA

you should read the Compendium guide linked in pins, how to play the tier set and the different CD windows are explained there

[tribal heart]

thanks

[maiden pasture]

thought experiment, dont play malphite support

[lucid olive]

out of the question, my teammate instalocked it first pick

[maiden pasture]

dodge angle

[lucid olive]

and when i asked why he's buying steelcaps and bramble vest he tried to lecture me on malphite passive and told me to stop embarassing myself

[lucid olive]

out of the question, next dodge is a 7 day ban

and malphite passive increases his size based on armor

his size was probably real useful when he was lvl 13 at 30 minutes with 10 deaths

[dire osprey]

u go afk and let ur zaahen 1v5

[ionic surge]

Did you stop embarassing yourself ?

[ionic surge]

You're too far gone, gotta uninstall like I did and never open the game again

[dire osprey]

i relapsed last week

when my raid said "need 1 more for 5 stack on league after raid"

started itching

gg

[lucid olive]

Nah I turned chat back off and kept enjoying my time

It's not that deep just thought it was funny

looking forward to the toplane buffs next season

[pseudo merlin]

I get my 6 year sober coin in March

Which btw

Selling EUW lol acc with like pax skins

Some website said it was worth 5 hunnid

[signal temple]

These are hard Thames we're living in

[round field]

i dodge?

[lucid olive]

Gg

[dense steeple]

Think of like a national park, but really close to a city. Like basically touching the city.

[pseudo merlin]

[lucid olive]

you wanna do some beta m+

[pseudo merlin]

Bro destiny 2 drops a new xpac in 20 min

I cant

Leme double check the time

WAIT IT DROPPED 40 MIN AGO

Im already too late

Maybe tomorrow

[lofty depot]

ur behind

[pseudo merlin]

Ye its over

Fuck man

I forgot I moved to a diffy time zone

This is going to fuck me up for so long I swear

[royal zenith]

log in then

noob??

[eager raft]

log in man get your lightsaber

[tame raven]

Have not logged in this channel for a while. I’m on beta now and was wondering if anyone had any talent tree links for single target and multi target. Thanks.

[pseudo merlin]

It's unironically supposed to be a banger weapon

Unexpected given how shit every melee weapon has been since chainsaw sword

[zinc heron]

With starfall base it kinda don’t matter

[tame raven]

No idea what you are referring to.

[lofty depot]

The talents on the right that buff starfall

The talent tree is like 4 points different, if u have any idea of ur talents on live it's essentially the same with 4 other points

[zinc heron]

The talents ain’t helping much the aoe vs single target situation lol since it don’t change much

You taking 100% faster starfall dmg always no matter the build

[lofty depot]

"always no matter the build" hmm

[zinc heron]

Meteorites is effy though

[lofty depot]

U assume weaver is the play

Talk in such a way without Sims, hm

[zinc heron]

Even if you play rattle you taking the starfall dmg talent

[lofty depot]

Not on st no

[zinc heron]

Kindling don’t matter as much now that mastery don’t need dots up

[craggy sonnet]

feelycraft goes hard?

[lofty depot]

How do u know it doesn't matter

[craggy sonnet]

dots do be doing dmg, no?

[lofty depot]

He's in the future

[zinc heron]

The difference won’t be much really let’s be honest

[lofty depot]

He's got the sims??

[zinc heron]

I mean if beta numbers change a lot sure

[craggy sonnet]

shs do be doing dmg, no?

[zinc heron]

Then again if the difference ain’t much it don’t matter

[lofty depot]

Well ur making very pointed statements without proof

Stop

This little rat gonna press enter

🥊

(clarity that stop isn't towards u nisashi)

[zinc heron]

It don’t take a genius after seeing the talent tree to know there won’t be that much difference in talent picked between ST and aoe styles

[lofty depot]

Because I press starfall on st when not using weaver

So true

[zinc heron]

If nature grace/challenge dint feel so bad then yeah there would be difference

[eager raft]

the exotic sword from final shape had some cool rolls but yeah the light saber will be really cool

[pseudo merlin]

Yeah it did

It was mainly the thing that gave you riskrunner though

and even fully utilising its special prismatic ammo gen passive the ammo economy was pretty poor

[zinc heron]

True but let’s be fair 2-3 talent difference is nothing

Switching rattle/weaver, starfall dmg to cosmos or goldrinn don’t count as a real “build change” lol

[lofty depot]

U know u don't talent like 10 nodes.... So 3 is 30% of that

[lofty depot]

Yes it does

That's like firemage changing from pyro spam to flamestrike

It might be 3 different talents, but they are different

Look at this pug boomkin with 4 different talents

U think he's build isnt giga different from the norm

[zinc heron]

To be fair in live it does seem like it has more options

[haughty rain]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-meme-spongebob-squarepants-patrick-star-patrick-fight-spongebob-fight-gif-17721615

[ionic surge]

@dense steeple do you know if the new 600 mount achievement comes out with 11.2.7 or with 12.0

[vital hound]

possibly the best ever comment on a tettles video

[elder remnant]

lmfao

[exotic perch]

we will find out in 5 hours when servers are up

[ionic surge]

not good enough 🙁

[dense steeple]

I think its a midnight addition but don't quote me

[ionic surge]

will be quoted

[cursive mirage]

“I think its a midnight addition but don't quote me” - @dense steeple 12/2/2025

[uncut roost]

Are you excited for the flight form version!?

[lucid olive]

@wicked shuttle isn't cutting his hair until moonkin is good again

so it's gonna be a while..

[wicked shuttle]

im ramping

[lucid olive]

LMAO

[dense steeple]

tbh dont really care

[lucid olive]

fucking hate that guy on my algorithm constantly man

makes it even worse that i know he won't be getting that hair cut until like 2030

[vital hound]

i blocked im

him*

[lucid olive]

it doesn't help he shows up on CBS and gets mentioned in interviews and shit

i think it's CBS at least where micah richards, jamie carragher etc do punditry

[vital hound]

ye

[lofty depot]

It's been good this whole time

[maiden pasture]

me when im just wrong

[dense steeple]

@delicate perch we did it

[potent cargo]

shiny metagross

+1000 aura

metagross/ampharos my sheila

[ionic surge]

shiny metagross is like shiny zard, always have and always will look S+ tier

shiny rayquaza is in there too

[dense steeple]

fun fact

i havent caught a beldum in this game

but no i was pointing out that i caught a patrat

i needed shiny patrat

and now i have them

[dense steeple]

really cool blizzard

[lofty depot]

damn i support local

[delicate perch]

[exotic perch]

not out

[lofty depot]

chat are we cooked

[exotic perch]

load anyway

[lofty depot]

hmm my mage killed 6 bosses but didnt get 6 loot options

game is fucked

[maiden pasture]

6 loot options

[lofty depot]

well yea i did m+ toooooooooooooo

crest farming 👀

[maiden pasture]

impressive ammount of passion for this late in

[lofty depot]

i got sh boots so gotta upgrade them

and 10 crest vs 15

but i tell u what.. i didnt enjoy it

[void jacinth]

do you like my new Midnight player frame?

[lofty depot]

good one

[void jacinth]

right? looks just like it

[maiden pasture]

bro what 😭

[void jacinth]

circle profile pic (useless information and waste of space) and two useful bars (except mana bar unless youre a healer)

and even healers/arcane mages dont rly need that bar either

[zinc heron]

Why the hell both KotG and EC gets 8% and 10% starfall/surge dmg as new talents….. for gods sakes just increase their dmg by 9% base and turn those talents into fun ones

[lofty depot]

so then they can buff and nerf the talent

[spice roost]

just tuning nobs

[zinc heron]

Buff and nerf what you either will buff or nerf both at same time since they do the same which would’ve been just same as just buffing the skills by 9% lol

And make 2 good talents in their stead

[spice roost]

like what

what 2 good talents

fwiw i think its fine as is

[fair mist]

Where all the Druid house pictures wtf

[zinc heron]

NE and BE decors are with midnight lol

[zinc heron]

For EC: entering lunar eclipse makes ur next moonfire be stellar flare instead and affect like 5 maxx enemies (so you see all those beams come down at the same time)

For KotG its a bit harder since it needs some other things but it can be replaced with denizens and it would fit amazingly

[craggy sonnet]

? tuning knobs between kotg and ec

buff/nerf these specific hero talents to adjust balance between the two

[lofty depot]

but moonfire gives shs, flare doesnt

thats yucky

[dense steeple]

i wish i could kill this

it is INTERFEREING

[spice roost]

hmm mine isnt like that

[dense steeple]

i have no idea what it is

ive checked all settings

[spice roost]

could it be some addon doin it

[dense steeple]

it would have to be, but ive turned off and on all addons that would be bars related

like if i click those arrows it cycles action bars

[elder remnant]

Do you use bartender?

[dense steeple]

that was my first thing i checked

but yes

[elder remnant]

Hmmmmmm

Maybe a bad update

[vital hound]

bing bong

[maiden pasture]

beans trinket

[vital hound]

yea not using it

nice to have tho

[zinc heron]

They are the same talent with 2% difference lol

[zinc heron]

It’s just the next one so you get a 3rd dot that also gets better while on the eclipse and looks cool extra beams

[lofty depot]

why do u need 3rd dot

twilight dead

[zinc heron]

Sure don’t need but whatever it just would feel better instead of that boring one

Also would make stellar a skill somehow (I’m sad it got deleted)

Hell it could change instead of moonfire your first starsuge

In the end it’s just more lasers

[nimble tangle]

Do we still predodt moonfire everything in 12.0?

Or just some random moonfire

[craggy sonnet]

seems like its a very easy way to finetune spender dmg between the two then?

[zinc heron]

That’s going way way out the way to super fine tune lol

[craggy sonnet]

its for future tuning

like do you understand the concept of tuning knobs?

this is just in there for now

[zinc heron]

More so when the difference is 2% and really the main thing here is that EC should go more into moons really

[craggy sonnet]

there is an entire expansion ahead of these numbers

[zinc heron]

Would be way better to just buff by 9% and if it needs to be nerfed or buffed still it’s there

[craggy sonnet]

i dont understand what you are saying

[zinc heron]

If it’s balance between the hero talents literally just give the talent to 1 not both

[craggy sonnet]

buff what by 9%

[zinc heron]

KotG buffs by 8%, EC by 10% just buff base by 9%

[craggy sonnet]

and then?

leave it in for one of them at 2% spender dmg?

or what

[exotic perch]

what needs buffs

[zinc heron]

The difference between KotG and EC really won’t be what spender hits harder anyway, it should be that EC gets better moons/fury/lunar eclipse while kotg gets other stuff

[craggy sonnet]

brother

[zinc heron]

Leave nothing in, make them good talents lol

[craggy sonnet]

your rotation relies on a good balance on spender dmg

else you either wont care about ap

[zinc heron]

U lost me there, both hero talents would have same spenders dmg anyway

[craggy sonnet]

or do everything to just generate ap

[zinc heron]

Right now the difference is literally +2% for EC

Out of talents

[exotic perch]

im so confused what is even the point of this discussion

[craggy sonnet]

and maybe the %contribution of spenders is still different between the hero talents

[zinc heron]

It uses 2 talent spots (1 on each hero talents) to do something that really is just better to just buff the spells by 9% (split the difference) and make 2 good talents

[craggy sonnet]

the ability to generate ap is different

whatever, you dont understand why tuning knobs are relevant

its ok

[zinc heron]

Hell that could’ve been an EC talent makes moons better

[zinc heron]

That’s 1 that isn’t relevant though

[craggy sonnet]

truuuueeee

[zinc heron]

When given to both

[craggy sonnet]

nah, you dont even try to listen

tuning spenders is super important

the hero trees have different capabilities and profiles

if you would remove one of them

and buff the baseline, then you just lost your available range to adjust the one left. since it would be left at 2% right now

[zinc heron]

Remove both and buff base or keep 1 and remove the other

Opens a talent spot for something good fun

[craggy sonnet]

not every talent is meant to be something fun

like legit read stupid dev notes

[zinc heron]

That’s the main problem with hero talents (thank god they fixing a lot)

[craggy sonnet]

and they talk about why what where they are adding tuning knobs all the time

[lofty depot]

presumably u will dot to a certain target amount

but what count is optimal unknown for now

[nimble tangle]

[digital berry]

anybody elses plater fucked?

[lofty depot]

plater and elv will be fucked until they update it

and theyre not likely to update it

[sudden pawn]

plater already updated

[lofty depot]

big

elv surely next

[sudden pawn]

elv updated as well

its just in the pins of their discord (dont ask the white names of this discord to read that)

[delicate perch]

Why are people talking about wow in a pokemon discord

@dense steeple @scarlet tapir project M mystery gift

[dense steeple]

yeah idk how to access it

i got the gift and gave up after 3 nights of wandering around

[delicate perch]

Pretty sure it’d just add a side quest marker to your map

[dense steeple]

it didnt 🙂

[delicate perch]

Are you a non side questing bozo

[dense steeple]

no

[delicate perch]

[delicate perch]

I would perhaps enter the lab

At a guess

Not home yet

[dense steeple]

tried that too

nothing happened i ran around getting chased by dogs

i havent tried tourning the game off and back on yet though

[delicate perch]

[dense steeple]

the ol restart worked

[dry compass]

Why would they make a second mega lucario that's the same typing

[ionic surge]

Brb kissing myself

[snow elm]

whens the nxt beta patch

[spice roost]

tomarrow

[green meteor]

What trinket combination could be better for m+ : voidcore heroic + antenna myth, or parapodia myth + antenna myth (but without having the raid bonus wep+trink)?

[lucid olive]

me at my war table plotting new ways to pad on adds

[lucid olive]

parapodia and antenna myth would be considerably better than voidcore heroic assuming you don't have a voidglass weapon

[green meteor]

Yes, I have weapon from third boss on myth

[lucid olive]

its closer but parapodia and antenna probably still better

parapodia good trinket for EC

[wet void]

22

[lucid olive]

23

[livid jay]

67?

[quiet drift]

9+10

[livid jay]

21

[maiden pasture]

Boss damage bandit

[scarlet tapir]

Already done it 😎

[signal temple]

89

[dense steeple]

To copy palworld anubis duh

[livid jay]

look at my fcking neighbour

[sudden flame]

[uncut roost]

Wait that's genius they can sue pal world for copyright infringement now!

[maiden pasture]

thats bis

need tutorial

[pseudo merlin]

wait lmao

I had to look twice to realise this is wow

[dire osprey]

lmfaooo

[dense steeple]

Get grass, put on house

[eager raft]

I will be copying this

[cedar pumice]

how much versatility you prefer to have in mythic >18 keys

[royal zenith]

At least 400k

[lucid olive]

you don't really swap out stats for vers on higher keys

[quiet drift]

If you ever did it would be to avoid a certain oneshot

[lucid olive]

Yeah, and I don't think that really happens

The key pushers just slam whatever the sim says mixed with what they feel is best

[wide dawn]

Did elvui get removed from now ?

[mighty mica]

no

[wide dawn]

I get 0 fps when using elvui

[lucid olive]

unfortunate

i have 90fps in raid using elvui

must be skill gap

[smoky prawn]

is there something wrong with treants on dimensius mythic? they dont seem to moonfire him properly in p1

[wide dawn]

Will raid tonight with no elvui 🙂

[sudden pawn]

just update it

[lucid olive]

its inconsistent ye

[wide dawn]

There is no new update latest is 14.03

[lucid olive]

i havent noticed it myself that treants arent reapplying moonfire on him, but ive noticed it on other fountain bosses

[sudden pawn]

ya there is

read the pins in their discord

[lucid olive]

wrong

[sudden pawn]

theres a zip for a test fix and theyre pushing that to the website soon

[wide dawn]

Can you give me the update it one

im using wowup to update elvui

[smoky prawn]

ye its annoying to miss all the ap from them not reapplying it

[lucid olive]

https://api.tukui.org/v1/download/dev/elvui/main

[wide dawn]

Thanks

[exotic perch]

default time

break free from the chains

[quiet drift]

new low

[lofty depot]

Smh

[maiden pasture]

what a game

maybe i should hop on the arctic vibe

[lofty depot]

True and real

[woven flint]

did you go in with 0 mana ?

[maiden pasture]

yes

every boss i do and i get this shit

[lofty depot]

All that work for no damage procs when u couldve had an int buff

[quiet drift]

Holy moly

Finally Araz parse

blessup

Didnt even get 4pc into dmg amp

[lofty depot]

Should've clipped convoke

[quiet drift]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/LrZdF9T3P2GDHhpY?fight=last&type=damage-done&source=259

What consumed my 4pc

[pallid bay]

think you just missed

[quiet drift]

https://tenor.com/view/yawn-boar-pig-hog-summer-gif-10546652396781305870

[pallid bay]

u didnt lose out on any or

[wind island]

during phase 1 on dimensius

do u use Starfall or just single target the boss?

[maiden pasture]

yo whats the script oi

did u work out a better one for that

or the query ig

[royal zenith]

5 bucks and I will tell you

[wind island]

?

[pallid bay]

4 bucks

[wind island]

3 bucks

[royal zenith]

your damage will hardly be relevant if you starfall or starsurge

[quiet drift]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/LrZdF9T3P2GDHhpY?fight=last&type=damage-done&source=259&ability=-78674&sourcebuffs=1236807

Idk

[royal zenith]

so that doesnt really matter buuttttt

probably starfall to do more damage overall

cotti will know

[quiet drift]

Always just go off of these

[quiet drift]

This

My raidleader yelled at me for not Starsurging adds

so do that

[wind island]

are u being serius?

[royal zenith]

ye

[quiet drift]

Might be embellishing a bit

[maiden pasture]

what is this query wtf is sourcebuffs

[royal zenith]

I saved my end of opener starsurges to hit some adds

you do what you gotta do

[pallid bay]

this dosnt work

[maiden pasture]

travel time of surge is annoying

[pallid bay]

cause you dont have dryad when surge hits

[maiden pasture]

for queries

[quiet drift]

What the helli

zDPS pull

Ty

[maiden pasture]

0 crits FF it

[craggy badger]

imagine getting a second set of cds off on fractilus

[quiet drift]

Are you killing the boss in sub 3

[craggy badger]

3:07 my 3/4 starsurge was midair

[quiet drift]

You can push it forward a abit

[craggy badger]

im aware i've done it

still mad

[quiet drift]

or beg for blessing of autumn

Lowk need blessing for Plexus

[pallid bay]

didnt prep melee range gg

[vital hound]

why do i never get these on the kill pull

[royal zenith]

cause your name is not Max

shrimple

[exotic perch]

damn how do you hit this high tho

is it the double dmg amps on saladbar

[vital hound]

dimmy

and no idea

[maiden pasture]

aug + damage amp + good voidcore procs couild do it

[delicate perch]

@vital hound

[vital hound]

No aug

[ripe slate]

any beta note discussers

[sudden pawn]

its over

[maiden pasture]

link?

[ripe slate]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/healer-burst-healing-reduced-midnight-beta-development-notes-for-december-3rd-379505?utm_source=discord-webhook

many nerfs

well, some nerf some buff

havent read it all yet

there's many lines

[maiden pasture]

[wild dune]

TOO COMPLEX

LOL

[zinc heron]

lol lunar amplification gone nailed it

[wild dune]

complexity detected

get fukt

[ripe slate]

did you still cancelaura starlord in the beta version?

[zinc heron]

Force of nature 4th treat also

[ripe slate]

changing whirling to be 2min cd instead of 100s cd is so bleh

yeah but the buff per treant got cut in ahlf

so who cares xdd

[severe pasture]

is boomie over?

[zinc heron]

Yeah but more trees at least

[latent egret]

druid is so fucking cooked feral looks so ass and so does balance

[zinc heron]

Kotg just got nerfed really so EC could be played

[latent egret]

they have failed this class

[ripe slate]

is the ec changes not also a net nerf

[zinc heron]

No

[ripe slate]

they gave us the 15% foe dmg perma but losing the cdr and less innate procs blows

[zinc heron]

LA was useless with new eclipse

[ripe slate]

theres more to ec than the LA node moves tho

[zinc heron]

You get stronger fury always now with stronger starfire both

[ripe slate]

right, but your cdr is 25% weaker and the passive procs happen 20% less often too

idk numbers enough to tell if that just evens out or what

doesnt seem like ec overall changed much

[zinc heron]

EC really just made the useless LA node useful

Kotg got slapped

Spec overall was buffed/nerfed all over the place

[true viper]

holy changes

[zinc heron]

Umbral can be taken now lol

Meteorites buff can be fun

[ripe slate]

bro what happened TO MY BARS

[zinc heron]

Faerie dragons keep getting buffed ( they really should go to KotG)

[meager storm]

weaver my beloved

[zinc heron]

Meteorites +150%

[quiet drift]

Banger changes

[meager storm]

i think this lowkey helps the weaver build

we are so back

[zinc heron]

Umbral also is useable now again

[meager storm]

builders do negative dmg

[nova ocean]

Early spring is pointless now isnt it

That's like the only desync now

[quiet drift]

Prolly fight specific

yet to be seen

[zinc heron]

Not really

Harmony got nerfed

So basically is you want more power when you use it or have it faster

[quiet drift]

?

[dusk nacelle]

Hey everyone just checking in as I’m searching for what class to potentially main in midnight how is boomy looking

[zinc heron]

Harmony now 4% not 8%

[nova ocean]

No idea they just changed a lot and it's early

Ask in 2 months

[dusk nacelle]

I want a strong healer class but also a dps spec

[dusk nacelle]

That’s fair

[meager storm]

well that we will never know till close to the patch coming out so

[nova ocean]

Healers are even more changed

[dusk nacelle]

Well considering the pruning across the board I hear resto Druid is still pretty good

[nova ocean]

They just changed more now

Which I'm sure hit that

But I didn't read all the healer stuff

[dusk nacelle]

Anyways fair enough I will do some play testing on Druid dps specs

[zinc heron]

Seeing at the changes really balance Druid will be fine

[dusk nacelle]

It kinda pisses me off I just came back to wow after a long break end of season 2 played through season 3 was enjoyable but challenging got attached to ele shaman and wanted to learn resto and now I feel that class has been just completely gutted

I have a Druid so figured it might be worth trying but I want to push to at least 15s next season aotc again and maybe some mythic raiding but I don’t want to heal the entire progression if that makes sense so I wanted to play a dps spec too but I really want to only master one class not have multiple alts

[dusk nacelle]

That sounds promising

[zinc heron]

EC has less fury procs but have stronger fury/moons always (not amazing but it aint bad)

[dusk nacelle]

When’s the last time boomy has been in m+ meta

I know resto has

[quiet drift]

Last season

[dusk nacelle]

Like is it feasible when I’m feeling to stressed from healing to go as boomy dps to take a break from healing I’m new to M+ so just wondering

[zinc heron]

Kotg was nerfed hard but I’m sure it will survive (I still think it needs to change some more and get faerie dragons added)

Gcd after eclipsing being shorter is good

[dusk nacelle]

Highest I got this season was 12s first time doing m+

I heard eclipse is a cast now?

The spec looks fun btw

[zinc heron]

Whirling stars being nerfed by 20s is big but whatever

[dusk nacelle]

That matters to me too but I don’t want a face roll spec with no challenge or skill expression

[zinc heron]

The spell dmg nerf needs to be compared to the buffs and overall it’s fine I think

[dusk nacelle]

Sadly shaman is hurting so I may have to try something new

[zinc heron]

Bolt and meteorites now get buffed by mastery and that’s huge

[dusk nacelle]

Nice

Does the new rotation flow good?

[zinc heron]

Being able to take Umbral now is good also

It’s the same as now just that instead of 2 casts for eclipse you do 1

[dusk nacelle]

If I’m buggy yall let me know I really am a noob to boomy

[dusk nacelle]

I see

[zinc heron]

You aren’t as punished by not having dots up also

But overall you will play the same

[dusk nacelle]

I guess best thing to do is try it out on beta

Then also try resto

[dusk nacelle]

I’m not gonna give up on shaman but it’s not looking good