balance

[quiet drift]

Is it worth

Were lusting pull

[maiden pasture]

feels worth to me

but

feelycraft

mighjt not be a big thing with the voidcore tech

[quiet drift]

Ye maybe

[maiden pasture]

[quiet drift]

If that thing crits

cuz of Pot stats

infinite value

[maiden pasture]

[quiet drift]

I need to fucking

get a WA

Forgot to oom like

[maiden pasture]

ye legit

[quiet drift]

more than half the bosses

zzz

[maiden pasture]

its so aids

i cant believe yday i got like r40 fracty

with this equipped

cause of soul hunters

[quiet drift]

(:

Ye same

I was

pre casting Wraths

Why I do not have Forge on trinket1

Proceed to -12mil dps on opener

[maiden pasture]

is double passive the play on soul hunters or

[quiet drift]

Feelycraft

Forge might be better cuz of Intermission "downtimes"

but double passive sims better

[lucid olive]

ur dmg is stolen by fluup

[quiet drift]

Hes da goat

So if thats the case its all worth

[craggy sonnet]

why are we casting starfire 💀

[lofty depot]

to get into eclipse surely

[quiet drift]

to cleave the guys

balls

[craggy sonnet]

what guys?

they dont count

ignore the little goofballs

[quiet drift]

the last phase guys

dont count

But now that im looking at it

At this point im legit 1 cast off cleaving

So maybe its just sit Solar angle

[craggy sonnet]

oh, i actually thought all the balls are out

[quiet drift]

p1 guys count

[craggy sonnet]

the heck

stupid rules

[quiet drift]

ye idk

Maybe there was some

giga padding

going

on first patch

but idk

[craggy sonnet]

but yeah, never gone lunar

[quiet drift]

Just muscle memory from prog

[craggy sonnet]

and have gotten consistently more dps than you (on that kill)

i guess

so prolly stay solar angle

[digital berry]

Cant believe people are actually using that damn cringe ass trinket 40 weeks into tier to parse

[delicate perch]

can't believe people are logging in

[maiden pasture]

🤨 which one

[lucid olive]

real

i'm down the single player game rabbit hole again

[livid prairie]

After 10 years I finally got voidglass kris

[delicate perch]

[livid prairie]

[delicate perch]

Did 2 acts last night

Banger game so far

Chapter? Act? Whatever

[lucid olive]

what game

[delicate perch]

Dispatch

[lucid olive]

theyre called episodes

[delicate perch]

I’m now taking all the bad choices. Thanks.

[lucid olive]

I started playing it last night and just ended up doing the whole 9 hours in one go

that game is great

next game on my agenda is Expedition 33 i think

i bought it months ago but havent bothered playing it yet

[delicate perch]

Pretty fun game but ng+ was unfun

Felt like soloing vanilla content at level 80

[lucid olive]

or maybe i start playing Bum: Revenge

homeless man sandbox game with mixed reviews on steam and an AI made banner picture

has to be a banger

[drifting nova]

[hollow mist]

single player game rabbit hole (minecraft)

[lucid olive]

yes that too

[winter wharf]

hey guys sry for the question but is my skill tree ok or should i change somethink

[lucid olive]

but i got kinda sick of it now, whenever 4 people are on at once my ping goes to the moon

[lucid olive]

thats standard page for raid

[lofty depot]

what in the green fuck

[lucid olive]

read the Compendium linked in the channel description and pinned messages, there's talent explanations in there for what stuff does and when you should take it

[winter wharf]

ye but i got recomandet to study my class more so thats why i asked XD

[winter wharf]

wait a sec

it not owl form

[lofty depot]

WHAT IN THE GREEN FUCK

[winter wharf]

ye thanks i will look for it

[lucid olive]

hekili or

[winter wharf]

ye

[lucid olive]

yikes

[winter wharf]

i m relativly new / didnt play in years

[lofty depot]

hekili doesnt help u learn

[winter wharf]

ye but its a start somewhere iq

[winter wharf]

but well i want to learn more about my class and shit thats why i m here 👌

[tacit oriole]

Just use OBR at this point

[winter wharf]

obr ?

idk what that even is 😅

[tacit oriole]

One button rotation

Blizzard also implemented a rotation helper built in game but it doesn’t include cool downs

[winter wharf]

ah ok

[tacit oriole]

But honestly man. Delete hekili and go to the pinned link. We got boomkin professionals that does the lords work and write us a guide for balanced druids.

[winter wharf]

ye i think il do that even though it allready helped me seeing some kicks

ok done

and the obr is in my bar

[tacit oriole]

Yeah just take a moment and look at the guide. Very informative.

I was just kidding about the OBR button 😅
At this point in the expansion just have fun

[winter wharf]

well i m trying bur reading isnt really my think tbh but i wanna try my best at it 🫡

[lofty depot]

#ReadMoreBooks

[winter wharf]

well cant really hurt tbh or not ?

[mighty mica]

kind of missed the point, rotation helpers aren't recommended unless you need it for accessibility reasons, they don't teach you anything

[winter wharf]

#reading isnt really my think still

[lofty depot]

"i learn by doing" yea but how do u know what youre doing is correct

[winter wharf]

hmm well then it goes again iq

[lofty depot]

theres likely a video guide out there but written guides can be updated easier

[winter wharf]

ye true iq

[delicate perch]

They taught kekkers everything he knows though?

[mighty mica]

and kekkers knows nothing

[delicate perch]

[drifting nova]

https://tenor.com/view/eric-of-borg-gif-18122053

[craggy sonnet]

vibes? duh

[drifting nova]

number go up

quite literally results based analysis

[lofty depot]

yeayeayeayae

[rare dove]

is there any high end player actually streaming boomkin

for beta

cant play rn so cant have beta, but id want to watch content about it, and theres like, none

tettles hasnt streamed boomkin from what I am seeing

[lofty depot]

There's not really anything to stream on beta

There will be raid testing next week

Recruitie and adept generally steam

[kind raptor]

really having some fun in boomkin mostly did some pvp so far. What causes elunes to be harder in M+ specifically? I kind of find not having to choose between solar and lunar to be less stressful lol. I gather it might be ramping up might be slower. OH well having fun learning it.

[quiet drift]

I think Elunes is often precieved as the easier Hero tree since it just sends everything on CD pretty much

Most complaints are from the ramp up time in lower keys since it has no upfront burst

[lofty depot]

Also keeper outside of cds does no damage

[delicate perch]

idk about it being "harder" it's just a lot more punishing to not always be casting compared to keeper in raid, which is still punishing because push bottons

ya

just do your lil combo correct and grab a drink

[dense steeple]

paper had a good guide

[lofty depot]

Gamz has one aswell

[dense steeple]

when next remix legion invasion

[lofty depot]

Well it'll be the void invasion

And probably February 🙂

[dense steeple]

i need one more legion remix invasion

[limpid kernel]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/legion-remix-assault-timers-different-from-retail-379156#times-europe-cet

[dense steeple]

thanks thats what i couldnt find

[covert coyote]

ew is that kash patel

[fair bloom]

stellar flare is dead

🔥

[delicate perch]

log off

[fair bloom]

ok sorry

[delicate perch]

ty

[fair bloom]

i am gonna miss stellar flare tbh

i used it like once

but

[drifting nova]

who what

[covert coyote]

whose face is morphed onto tyrian lannister

[drifting nova]

thats peter, you racist

smh

[lucid olive]

<@&114146878353833984>

[simple timber]

Hey guys, im trying to figure out what stats are best for high m+ keys, but keep finding different information. Are we aiming for a mix of everything or putting everything on mastery ?

[round field]

you take ur gear put it in a sim and wear what it tells you

[simple timber]

How do you even sim a mythic+ that would work ?

[round field]

tldr you can do funny dungeonroute sim

or just sim 5 min 1 target and be on ur way

[pseudo merlin]

This is you minus the knowing things

[pseudo merlin]

I miss you

[raven totem]

Does anyone have the WA for dimensius that hides all the nameplates of irrelevant mobs? 😄

[lucid olive]

it should be in both the Liquid and NS packs

if its not working there might be something with your nameplate addon profile thats weird

[nova ocean]

I come to u from the future. Tomorrow we will get beta patch notes that mention moonkin

[lofty depot]

Yea, but unforch it will be moonkin form recolors for haninir

[crimson helm]

Second plattform Dimi, should I do ST rota on Miniboss but Starfall (without multidot) for Adddmg ? My group currently struggling to kill null binders and wall adds, wanna help but not sure if worth my effort ..

Second Platform goes without any burst of mine (except) treants too ...

[round field]

if ur wiping to an add not dying mby its a good idea to hit said add..

[crimson helm]

Well, there are tries where the wall adds melt and dotting + surges seems not worth and then other tries ... Wondering if there is a consistent "good" thing to do..

[craggy sonnet]

first or second wall?

or third i guess

[crimson helm]

Third usually, just wondered if a general Starfall AP dumb on ST rota would be good for both, first and second nullbinder set (if you wanna say so).

[craggy sonnet]

starfall would be terrible i think

if anything you surge the wall add

but its probably a miniboss positioning issue

that you dont get full cleave on the wall add

[lofty depot]

I focus the far wall add

Well "focus"

[crimson helm]

Okay, Imma see what I can do. Tyty.

[craggy sonnet]

you mean the 2nd? your warlocks have no thumbs? 🙂

[crimson helm]

One Warlock is Affli and the other ... Well, guess we're still learning.

Gets better I guess, Imma try and help them out.

[delicate perch]

Have you seen his guild

[lofty depot]

I do more dam than them to it

I'm kinda goated

[delicate perch]

Easy to do damage when no one else is

[lofty depot]

Also mage close

[eager raft]

I had to do about 60% of all voidwarden damage through prog

[lofty depot]

Ur a hunter tho

[eager raft]

5 kills later the warlocks finally hit it so I don’t have to anymore

[delicate perch]

Yeah but you’re goated

[lofty depot]

Black arrow (wow so much damage)

[lucid olive]

if you have good timers and can send 2 CA on first platform you just nuke the first voidwarden and you're top 3 dam on them without hitting any of the others

[eager raft]

On god

[lofty depot]

I also send said buffed surges into the 2nd wall on first platform

[lucid olive]

ye

[lofty depot]

Dot them while running across, ezpz

[lucid olive]

can't do that with reclear timers without buyers

[delicate perch]

wtf is that game @lucid olive keep up REF DO SOMETHING

[eager raft]

This might be my least favourite boss to reclear ever

Different timers every week

[lucid olive]

dispatch?

[eager raft]

Now that the raid buff is maxed it’ll be fine from here on out

[lucid olive]

what endings are you getting

[delicate perch]

Ya

[lucid olive]

who are you romancin

[lofty depot]

If u don't hold, u can't even use CDs no?

[delicate perch]

He got ganked and no one

[lucid olive]

you send 1 CA on 1st platform and then hold for amp

[lucid olive]

damn

[lofty depot]

Disgusting

Find buyers gang

[lucid olive]

i was invisigal simping the entire run

every advance blonde blazer made i shut that shit down insta

[delicate perch]

Invisibitch

[lucid olive]

@meager storm

i had one episode where i apparently played better than 100% of the playerbase

surely that means im rank 1 dispatcher

[delicate perch]

I think I finished at 90% overall

[lucid olive]

i kept sending waterboy on real stupid missions alone too hoping he would fail

he just has that punchable face

[delicate perch]

Bros just trying his best (the dog would’ve done better)

[lucid olive]

but i picked him over the superman clone any day

i need to do another playthrough and pick different stuff

[delicate perch]

Ya I’m going to rerun it

[lucid olive]

think the only choice i will make the same every time is to get rid of coupe and keep the bat guy

i fucking love moist critical in that voice actor role

[delicate perch]

Ye some banger voice actors in it

Flambaes song

[lucid olive]

should remake that song and make it about arctic

iykyk

[delicate perch]

Surely you could with a lil magic

[lofty depot]

Gamz when he makes a guide video

[lucid olive]

[drifting nova]

guide for what

xpac aint out for another 6months

shorten xpac cycles

still have 5months of dead

[meager storm]

Used to be bugged, when it said u used to play better than 1% of players it was actually 99% of of players

Surely u didn’t bottom 1%

[lucid olive]

surely

im actually rank 1 dispatcher (my guy was stuck at associate)

[meager storm]

I think I had an insane run I only lost one gamba and it was 80%

[delicate perch]

Washed

Pop star girl goated for missions

[lucid olive]

so is the rock monster guy

[potent cargo]

wtf are you guys talkin bout

lmao

[lucid olive]

dispatch

[midnight bough]

Don't understand why they add this

[meager storm]

Charlie my goat

half man, half bat, ALL FREAK

Holy

[craggy sonnet]

make stuff less toxic.
might bind you to some kinda "contract" with regards to the leaver system / surrender thing

[kind raptor]

Getting better still a bit panic mode on the rotation, so in AOE we just light up eclipse and spam starfall with over 3 mobs and try to use your burst incarns as strategically as possible in a key?

I notice with balance since we want to predot have to be careful to not get aggron too fast with the moonfires and sunfires lol

[lofty depot]

u want to spam starfire

and u press starfall so u can spam more starfires

[devout hazel]

how are we feeling overall with the whole eclipse being a button thing? i haven't had much time to hop on beta and play around with it yet

[exotic perch]

way better then current

but sucks being on the gcd

[craggy sonnet]

is it? just another thing you kinda have to plan, no?

[exotic perch]

well it goes against their philosophy on buffs

[craggy sonnet]

not the being on the gcd part

that i agree

[exotic perch]

every button press should feel good and it doesnt

[craggy sonnet]

does not comply with what their most recent philosophy for that kinda stuff would mandate

[exotic perch]

like if it gave you asp or something when you press it thatd be nice

idk just feels clunky

[craggy sonnet]

im talking about it being way better than current

[exotic perch]

oh

i def think its better

having to cast 2 spells rn to get into it sucks

[lofty depot]

dots do feel good to press

[exotic perch]

but i guess yea you could plan it better around heavy movement

[exotic perch]

this part i can agree with since you dont have it up 100%

[craggy sonnet]

there are definitely benefits to just being able to press the button instead of having to cast starfire. but it being another thing that doesnt really align naturally with anything is big yikes

gotta make sure you dont overcap during CA as well

etc

[exotic perch]

oh yea the spec is wildly disjointed overall

love juggling 4 cds

[craggy sonnet]

thats why im saying, doesnt appear to be much better

it solves issues that the current eclipse has

but creates plenty of new ones

kinda deal

[lofty depot]

u do however have to press starfire before lunar on possible st

and thats kinda cringe

[craggy sonnet]

for ec you mean?

[lofty depot]

no

[craggy sonnet]

or just for add spawns on boss

[lofty depot]

yee adds spawn on st

[craggy sonnet]

ah

[lofty depot]

padding in lunar more viable surely

[craggy sonnet]

surely (??)

[craggy sonnet]

this is prolly not gonna be an issue anyways .. since you surely would want to press eclipse after adds have spawned for the apex bolts, so you can also hit them with starfire i assume in most cases

[lofty depot]

surely

[snow elm]

does incarn shoot a lunar and solar bolt

[kind raptor]

pros and conss of using starfall on soul binders ?

[lofty depot]

yes

[lofty depot]

adds dont count

[kind raptor]

So just play the ST build when I do them ?

[craggy sonnet]

boss dont count either

[brazen badge]

Someone can explain to me how Balance druid changed from shadowlands until now ?

[lucid olive]

How it changed? Blizzard updated the game

[meager storm]

good thing its changing again so u dont need to learn old stuff W

[glossy jungle]

we've been benched every raid tier since

[brazen badge]

but how different is from Shadowlands from now, i hearded that they made huge changes to how the class feels in playing

[brazen badge]

Again what u mean

[lofty depot]

talent diffy, mastery is dot based cuz they think we should care about those

[merry ibex]

For the keeper intro with the current 4 set is optimal to dump all the way down to zero before hitting to juice up the super SSs for the 2nd CA charge or do you want to keep enough AP to launch those super charged starsurges right away in the boat window of the 2nd CA charge?

[lofty depot]

if u do that then u wont have asp to send said juiced SS

u gonna spam 6 wraths while having all ur buffs at the start of ca

should look like this

[merry ibex]

Oh so you dont send anything after the convoke

You just hit the 2nd ca charge? Am I understanding that chart correctly?

[lucid olive]

yes

[spice roost]

@lucid olive do u like the new boomie gameplay on beta compared to live

[maiden pasture]

Gamz is a known hater of change

[spice roost]

Oh

[round field]

spec is the same

wdym

you just press eclipse button instead of 2 fillers

[spice roost]

Specifically the eclipse change ya

[craggy sonnet]

eclipse thing is probably worse for the majority of players i would imagine

but its not the only change

mastery good

new starfall talent good

[spice roost]

How so would it be worsewdym

[craggy sonnet]

might just be able to deal dmg to adds

because its not intuitive when to press

since it doesnt line up with stuff

you dont want to overcap either

so folks are gonna blow both charges, then have to natty trees

etc etc

[round field]

more cooldowns = bad

[craggy sonnet]

prolly gonna combine convoke with eclipse if it happens to line up

[round field]

just proc double eclipse when you convoke

[craggy sonnet]

truuu

[spice roost]

diud balance not gaina ny survivability im looking at the new tree i cant see a difference

maybe im missing something

[craggy sonnet]

yea you are

gaining bear hotw

gaining the versa bonus on self from motw

[spice roost]

ohj ok

[craggy sonnet]

most other specs have lost defensives

[spice roost]

oh i see now gift of the wild

[spice roost]

ya somehow fdk gained i dont get it

[round field]

they shot defensives in the head across the board

[spice roost]

ya but it looks like some specs gained

[round field]

i mean

dk getting tanky i dont care

plate classes should be tanky

mage shouldnt be immortal unless ur hands dc from ur brain

[fossil hemlock]

DK is already extremely tanky

They shouldn't tune dps DK survivability around them being too dumb to press death strike

[round field]

death strike bad

its the equivalent of pressing bear form

it sucks and feels bad

[fossil hemlock]

It's not really equivalent to pressing bear form. It's one global, and you still get any benefits tied to spending runic power

[round field]

the "benefits" of spending rp are insiginificant compared to spending rp on a non spender

[fossil hemlock]

It's still significantly better than going into bear form

[round field]

not rly

ur doing zpds regardless

imagine u have to spend 30 ap to press bear form

[fossil hemlock]

As DK you can DS then go back to dps and DS again if you need to later, that doesn't really work with bear form at all

You just sit in bear form, waiting

Doing nothing

[round field]

no you dont

you take a hit and go back to caster

if ur afk in bear ur an idiot

[round field]

well

1. ur not hitting boss from that position and ur los from healer

2. i am an idiot

[vale pebble]

nono

ive had 30% bear uptime that fight before

u are very much correct

[craggy sonnet]

DS is undisputably not the same as bear form. Especially against any type of prolonged dmg

[round field]

ye but thats cause u recruit dogs for healers

its on u

[vale pebble]

how do i recruit on jailer

[round field]

get gud

[vale pebble]

chungus

[round field]

make better life decisions

[drifting nova]

just take the death like a man

blame healer

move on

no bear

[golden shuttle]

Hello Hello ! Is there a topic for Beta Boomy?

I will need like a single tarder raid spec and a multi target spec for raid testing tomorow night (if it works)

[round field]

its raid testing

go test talents

what are u testing

dps meter?

[craggy sonnet]

can you even?

is dps meter working?

[pallid bay]

no

[pallid bay]

just click some talents

u're there to test the bosses and your spec more than anything else

a single shared build is kinda counterproductive tbh

[vale pebble]

just share a build buddy

ur just trying to hog the good builds to yourself

[pallid bay]

there's no build

[vale pebble]

ill dropship the correct build

[muted citrus]

build dn

[quiet drift]

build in telegram

[pallid bay]

drop on these

random talents

this tree

lowkey

might not be it

[vale pebble]

what is u cooking vro

[quiet drift]

https://tenor.com/view/teletubbies-lala-po-poh-walking-gif-22092325

[pallid bay]

i swear they should just remove 90% of it

its completely pointless

[vale pebble]

go for the

full gambler tree

[pallid bay]

choice is an illusion

do you want to do passive damage

[vale pebble]

yea i do

[pallid bay]

or do you want your passive damage to do more damage

[vale pebble]

problem

[pallid bay]

problem indeed

[quiet drift]

They shouldve made the Apex talent be Denizen

I want my Denizen to do 20% of my dmg

[pallid bay]

they should've not made the apex talent

[quiet drift]

Trees 10%

Dryad 10%

Goldrin 5

[pallid bay]

man you should have seen my denizen last night

they went crazy

[quiet drift]

I had insane Denizen pull but wrong gearset

[vale pebble]

please wipe

[pallid bay]

gg 5x

[quiet drift]

😢

[vale pebble]

please guys can we wipe

[pallid bay]

i had

[quiet drift]

ye

my greedy

[pallid bay]

7% i think

[quiet drift]

Raidlead

[vale pebble]

i want to int so bad

[quiet drift]

cant even spare

[vale pebble]

😭

[quiet drift]

1 wipe

[pallid bay]

was doing 20M soul hunters

[quiet drift]

How much aura

I go place every wall incorrect

[pallid bay]

inf

[quiet drift]

and dont say anything

[vale pebble]

iqnious aura

(0)

[quiet drift]

ye

u ruined my Median rise

gg

[pallid bay]

this spec

lowkey

kinda stinky no?

[quiet drift]

Midnight

or TWW

[pallid bay]

i look details after opener

ik if i should sudoku or not

[quiet drift]

aaa

ye

[vale pebble]

go play this vro

start gambling

[quiet drift]

I cannot bring myself to optimize at all

[pallid bay]

gambling is not good

[quiet drift]

casting spells at 2% haste

[vale pebble]

tettles said gambling good

[quiet drift]

and nothing outside CDs matter anyways

[pallid bay]

idk what there is to optimize i click my little buttons

[quiet drift]

Just stay alive and press CDs

[pallid bay]

spam dots like the casual i am

somehow beat others

spec full of mouthinhalers

[quiet drift]

W

[vale pebble]

do i go play moonkin

do i sneak it in raid

[quiet drift]

https://tenor.com/view/pig-blowing-bubbles-gif-27203196

[vale pebble]

quick rename say we have a buyer

[pallid bay]

yeah its fun and good

[vale pebble]

yea its 2nd highest on my meters so it must be op

[pallid bay]

does he know..

[vale pebble]

every boss aug moonkin topping

coincidence?

buff doctor bm?

also how can moonkin be rng

if my moonkin tops every fight?

[pallid bay]

does he know..

[lament sigil]

@royal zenith !!! Today is big day?!?!

[round field]

if i was playing moonkin wouldnt be top dps

just saying

[vale pebble]

[pallid bay]

filthy whitename

[pallid bay]

i said what i said

[round field]

ok grandpa

lets get you back to the retirement home

[quiet drift]

https://tenor.com/view/die-hachikuji-monogatari-punching-anime-gif-26529250

[lucid olive]

Sune is above white name cause he has the tag that lets him see the hidden channels..

[quiet drift]

greyname

[round field]

the hidden channels are filled with freaks...

name me 1 green or orange name that isnt ill

[lime pelican]

what 's the verdict on balance in midnight
?

[lucid olive]

its one of the specs

[vale pebble]

me

[round field]

bzzzzzzzzt

you hear that

thats the lie buzzer

[vale pebble]

no i onlz hear the truth buzzer

[eager raft]

cotti n fluup on top. how are boomy players so much better than everyone else

[vale pebble]

shooting star on top

[round field]

clean ur ears

[eager raft]

coincidence that it’s the name of a boomy spell???

[lucid olive]

yeah devourer stole moonkin talents

their main thing is to spend enough resource so you can enter your main cooldown

sounds familiar?

[quiet drift]

https://tenor.com/view/emptyness-despair-sad-cry-gif-27161561

[lofty depot]

Sounds pretty hard to balance around, not sure

[devout hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-blackish-anthony-anderson-tears-upset-gif-4988274

i miss it...

[round field]

i dont

pulsar smells

[quiet drift]

Not even pulsar

noobert

[round field]

what then

[vale pebble]

ife

but i would agree with pulsar more

but pulsar also smells

so yea

[round field]

but

ife

ur not spending ap to build a cd

ur just getting cdr

so the description doesnt fit ife

[lofty depot]

Ife also wasn't a talent

But feel free to bring it back 😭

[lucid olive]

pulsar wasnt a talent until df either

[eager raft]

what is ife

[vale pebble]

yea tahts why agree with u

for once in my life

[round field]

[lucid olive]

spending ap reduced ca cooldown

legion thing

[vale pebble]

impeccable fel essence legion legendary

[eager raft]

ah

I did not play legion

[lucid olive]

same

[vale pebble]

think it was a talent in some beta cycle

but they scrapped it fast iirc

high chance im confusing it with something else tho

[quiet drift]

Guardian druid got that

Would be way too crazy if we had it tho

so we get -5ap on Starsurge during Incarn

(Hasnt been touched since Pulsar got removed)

[round field]

do we tho

i think ur making shit up

[quiet drift]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-looking-sussy-and-cute-gif-22572677

[round field]

show proof

[lofty depot]

1m amp boss so we can use 1m convoke lock in

[round field]

im logging off

[lofty depot]

Ur not subbed

[round field]

wrong

nvm

[lofty depot]

Rekt

[round field]

dont wanna give money to this stinky company

[drifting nova]

incredibly based

[royal zenith]

is it really a stinky company though

cause you get tons of hours gameplay/gametime for your 140 eu a year

thoughts?

[round field]

not rly

have to pay for xpac aswell

and only get like

3h per week worth of content

[royal zenith]

yeah that's every 2 years

show the calculations

[round field]

i have calculated

[royal zenith]

you pay €0,42 per hour

cheaper than an internet cafe

thoughts?!

[drifting nova]

1 1/2 years now ahem

[ruby flicker]

I haven't spent actual money on this game in like 10 years

just do ur dailies and farm some herbs and buy tokens

[drifting nova]

stop being a broke boy idk

rather gouge my eyeballs out over farm herbs for cash

[royal zenith]

yeah plenty of people boost and pay with gold

I dunno, game is worth it's value

(which is not a lot of value)

[drifting nova]

I did the very same thinking for runesacpe for bonds, it'd like 10/ be15hrs a week to upkeep a the equivalent bond

bonds, tokens, whatever you want to call them are still bad

the easier conversion is an hour or two of work is a months payment

maybe even 30mins for some

[ruby flicker]

i like playing the game, if i can play the game to pay for playing the game imma just keep doing that

[drifting nova]

looking at it was over 2months ago I did my last raid, monthly game to keep the lights on is..something

[vernal dragon]

Is balance actually C tier right now? Just coming back to the game after a bit and saw wowheads tier list

Warcraft logs has us doing top 5 damage to bosses

[royal zenith]

Balance is mid, c is mid

Checks out

[ionic surge]

You can be top 5 and do half the damage of the upper 4, the actual numbers matter more than the ranking in itself

[royal zenith]

Plus we are deep into farm and the type of damage matters more

[ionic surge]

I'd like to get deep into farming as well but agriculture isnt my thing wcyd

[royal zenith]

You become a consultant in that case

😼

[round field]

Blizzard should pay me for having to raid with chicken and his gang of misfits

!!!

[royal zenith]

[exotic perch]

thats what stardew is for

[rich jewel]

Sneak it in at 729

and Sune and iqni come for one raid

[low sigil]

does Diamantine sim higher than Antenna for some of you? Did I do something wrong in my sim?
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/v3YArEYJvGKdGucuVy1Bon

Thinking about going with Diamantine after hearing opinions on Antenna regarding the orbs. I never used it so not really sure if I'll be missing orbs or not. I honestly don't want to deal with trying to make sure I pick up orbs anyway.

[round field]

I will

As dimmy buyer

[round field]

Yes

Antenna smelly

[lofty depot]

What's ur miss chance

Also u have funny gear so maybe

[low sigil]

idk how to determine my miss chance. my gear has been very limited and unlucky. we have been locking out after 1 kill because we only raid 2 nights a week so i've been missing vaults and M+ vaults has been unlucky. not sure what else I can do

[lofty depot]

It's at the bottom of the sim when u press "sim" it's called like antenna miss chance

[low sigil]

oh interesting let me take a look

its set to default 0%

[lofty depot]

Damn the goat

[low sigil]

lol i didn't even know the option was there. what should i set it to when simming?

[lofty depot]

well during like dimmy and nexus king its like 20%

[ripe slate]

itd be miracle if i only missed 20% during those 2 LMAO

[low sigil]

ok we are on nexus right now. im over the hill and mid.. so maybe i'll just set higher than 20% and be certain that diamantine is the way to go for me.

[lofty depot]

have u considered gaining some skill

[low sigil]

is that thinking ok? or is there any reason i should still consider antenna?

[lofty depot]

then play voidcore

[low sigil]

thank you

[lofty depot]

damage proc trinkets to be better the worse u are

[craggy sonnet]

bruh

[royal zenith]

he's actually not wrong

[tacit oriole]

Blunt but funny

[royal zenith]

but very blunt ye

[tacit oriole]

Are the NA servers back up?

[lofty depot]

He said he was mid not me

[paper ember]

Yes

[maiden pasture]

Bro wants the 4x moonkin breath of eons opener

[rich jewel]

[paper ember]

Imo it just depends on your gear. With mine, even if I had a 0% miss rate on antenna, voidcore still sims higher in general. So I wouldnt say that proc trinkets are always better the worse you are. Sometimes they are just better.

[lofty depot]

Most of the sims I've seen people ask "oh is it better" it shows voidcore within margin

So if ur not grabbing orbs even worse than 20% (worse play) then yes... The proc trinket is better

[low sigil]

that's right, i don't think you were being rude or blunt at all. I gave honest input to get honest feedback and i appreciate it. thank you

[lofty depot]

Well I was being blunt lol

[low sigil]

i just mean, i didn't take it in a negative way. i don't mind blunt and straight to the point its what i prefer

[craggy sonnet]

akshually sim is not "abusing" precombat mana dump tho

[drifting nova]

you could never

[lofty depot]

I don't presume most people are, but they could.... Idk the timing on how much they get out of that

[craggy sonnet]

me neither

[lofty depot]

Gotta be less than 30s of under 50% mana

[craggy sonnet]

its just to somewhat ensure a proc for the opener

[ripe slate]

not when i can just play voidcore and blast anyway hehe

theyre so close even with low miss chance for me not gonna bother with that cringe xd

[craggy sonnet]

can start bothering to regrowth instead

[ripe slate]

ok lets not get hasty here

if you need to regrowth just tell your healers to heal you more

[lofty depot]

Yea go get nexus king command dawg

We're regrowthing for damage

[ripe slate]

u cant fool me, demons

[lofty depot]

Wanna see a sim?

[ripe slate]

..................................no

[lofty depot]

🙂

[ripe slate]

prog is over i will not be swayed by demonic scriptures

[low sigil]

i didn't realize voidcore is what is mostly used now.. last i checked it was a few weeks ago. almost feel like the pin should be updated

[lofty depot]

These are untold damage increases late into parse culture

Gotta lock in

[ripe slate]

last tier parses are so pointless

all the top ranks after months of farm are just the people who got all crits in their dumps

or had good kill times

[lofty depot]

And have multiple buyers

[ripe slate]

no trinkets gonna change that

or in some cases had 0

[lofty depot]

Long kill time

[ripe slate]

depends which one has a better kill time lmao

[low sigil]

but they are still using that trinket over antenna, that is the observation.

[lofty depot]

Cuz it's hard to prab orbs in p2 and p3

[low sigil]

it still shows that is the top trinket used regardless of the top 10.

[lofty depot]

Yea but none of them are using nexus king

[ripe slate]

tbf voidcore is more popular on every fight in the top 10

[lofty depot]

And it's better

Smh

[ripe slate]

ok

show me this sim

[lofty depot]

[ripe slate]

i will read the scriptures but i wont practice it

[lucid olive]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/1FsunMpG8LnTpCaXnw65Pw

[ripe slate]

more importantly i want to troll my guild

[lucid olive]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2PnX4qKeyScwrN93MaTgfW

[ripe slate]

what does that even do, proc it right before a CA?

[lucid olive]

regrowth between eclipses

[ripe slate]

do you just owned if you get 0 procs for opener, or do you rely on a prepull buff

[lofty depot]

Before eclipse too

[lucid olive]

chain cancelaura the instant cast regrowths

prepull buff makes your log invalidate

[ripe slate]

what

[ripe slate]

does it only do that for dps

[lofty depot]

Top one is 5m bottom is 45s

[ripe slate]

i did that on dimmy when i healed prog lol

didnt invalidate my healer stuff

[lucid olive]

idk, it was changed this patch

[craggy sonnet]

no, not if you keep it equipped

you can do prepull

[ripe slate]

interesting

o

thatd be reasonable

[lofty depot]

Ye

[ripe slate]

are those sims prepull trinket swapping then

[lofty depot]

Ye

[ripe slate]

o ic thats why the % is so big

[lofty depot]

Well really it's just adding the buff for 15s

Kek

[ripe slate]

yeah but with the way u do opener now you'd have that buff for the first dump i think

[craggy sonnet]

the actual numby is something like 1.1% vs 0 miss antenna and like 1.8% with 20% miss antenna or close to that

[ripe slate]

if you timed it well enough

[craggy sonnet]

yea, you can guarantee that

the buff also pandemics

so can extend it a bit more on prepull even

[lofty depot]

Correct

[craggy sonnet]

and its very likely you get it in time for the 2nd CA surges as well

[lofty depot]

Think it also does regrowth after said dump

In the correct apl

[ripe slate]

🤔

[lofty depot]

I just had the prepull Sims from when I was invalidating some pulls

Welcome to the ride buddy

Fun technology late into parse season

[ripe slate]

the funny part is i have a myth trakc of this trinket already

no resources needed

[craggy sonnet]

got mine yday

[ripe slate]

maybe ill try it on the like 3min fights but no way i try to remember the proper upkeep for this monstrosity the longer fights

[lofty depot]

Im gear fed, I have a dinar I don't need

[ripe slate]

next week tho, gonna try to be out on every boss so i can train sailing instead of raiding tomorrow xdd

[lofty depot]

Bet even if u just did it on ca's it is big dam lol

[lofty depot]

Brother

[drifting nova]

seasons over, sailing is new, good choice

[lofty depot]

It's tarkov time....

And we only have 1 warlock this week.....

[drifting nova]

you mean arc

arc time

[ripe slate]

tarkov in 2025

[drifting nova]

isnt it just some uber sweaty mil sim

like arma

but bad

[craggy sonnet]

in case you wanna know the rules (no guarantee its optimal)

1. press before every single or double CA
2. press somewhere inside pandemic during second CA but after trees
3. press before every eclipse (between starfires) you are gonna use trees, unless you would be short in debuffs for an upcoming double CA (i think almost never happens)
4. consume extra debuffs you get before random eclipses to get them all out before the fight ends (you get one every 30s)
5. technically you would wanna cancel the instant regrowth buff (i have to check again how big the impact is on this one)

[lofty depot]

Arma pretty bad

[drifting nova]

idk never played it

[ripe slate]

does the insta regrowth not proc the buff? or is the gcd time wasting buff tiem the problem

[lucid olive]

the gcd

[lofty depot]

Gcd timing kek

[ripe slate]

[craggy sonnet]

but its prolly whatever

havent checked how easy/effective it is to just macro the cancel into something

[lofty depot]

Just make a new button cancel buff before the press no?

[craggy sonnet]

technically

but thats annoying

[lofty depot]

How

It's how I have my cancel starlord buff 🙂

[craggy sonnet]

extra button

yeah

so you wanna add another one?

[loud kettle]

yes

[lofty depot]

U got plenty of binds

[loud kettle]

bind it to shift-space

[lofty depot]

Delete your macro button

Delete flare

Delete renewal

Actually my macro button is also pinging myself so not that one

[loud kettle]

oh right renewal is gone

im gonna bind charm woodland animal

[lofty depot]

Gotta add eclipse and heart of the wild tho

[loud kettle]

it is time

hotw already has a bind silly

[lofty depot]

For silly furries ye

[loud kettle]

i have treant form and mount form already bound because i can

[craggy sonnet]

maybe you can cancel the hidden buff for counting up how many surges you used?

btw, why did they add a customizable treant form to haranir

[loud kettle]

they are unbelievably based is why

[lofty depot]

What if I need a regrowth for dimmy

I regrowth third drop cuz I stand far :/

Eelers don't eel me

[craggy sonnet]

???

[lofty depot]

?

[loud kettle]

like close to the middle or what

[lofty depot]

Ye

[loud kettle]

ic

[craggy sonnet]

my eeler is right next to me in middle

[lofty depot]

Luggi

[loud kettle]

i am the healer

so ig im always in range of a healer

[craggy sonnet]

but also isnt third drop already dmg stop territory?

[loud kettle]

er

no

[lucid olive]

you guys stop dmg on dimensius?

[lofty depot]

Close

[loud kettle]

only noob guilds dmg stop lol

[lofty depot]

Am noob

[lucid olive]

havent stopped dmg since prog

[craggy sonnet]

but yeah its not

[loud kettle]

we couldnt even get the ideal p3 timing anyway because pushing on winds bugged out and killed members of our raid

so we skipped the last set of winds on plat 2

[craggy sonnet]

it was 4th drop that you were sitting in bear( we dont hold that long anymore)

[lofty depot]

On prog I was having to bear + fr for the run to the soak from 3rd

Negative eeling

[craggy sonnet]

i just popped a healthstone on 3rd on the vod I am watching

[lofty depot]

Saved for p3 Incase I take too much damage before soak

Never trust eeler

[loud kettle]

i felt like our side was giga safe

its because im the best healer to grace the game i think

[craggy sonnet]

ok, thats very fortunate for your raid

[lofty depot]

My pally was on the other side

Never beacon :/

[jade flume]

Ur definitely up there

[loud kettle]

i play dps since amirdrassil, play rdruid for last boss of this tier and top healing

just goated

[jade flume]

healers are noobers straight up

[vernal acorn]

Im really excited for the midnight boomkin changes what about yall?

[lucid olive]

its alright

[jade flume]

looking forward to being excited to play the game agane

[lofty depot]

what part are excited for

[vernal acorn]

The eclipse changes

[lucid olive]

man m+ testing was supposed to be up over 2 hours ago

i been sitting here staring at a grey realm list

[jade flume]

Have they said anything about scaling and shit

do you have to fokin level up

or

[lucid olive]

theres an endgame server

presumably

[jade flume]

man its almost midnight

and i woke up like 3 hours ago

[lucid olive]

nah still 4 months left

[jade flume]

[lucid olive]

[woeful chasm]

I personally am very excited to be able to press a button and just do damage without having to ramp for 3-4 business days. Very big change for people who do easy content (me)

[loud kettle]

i leveled up on the alpha

and did all the sidequests

[lucid olive]

nerd?

[loud kettle]

loremaster insanemeow

[craggy sonnet]

but did you have fun?

love me some banger sidequests

[loud kettle]

yea

harandar > zul'aman > silvermoon/eversong >> voidstorm btw

well eversong i should say

[craggy sonnet]

nice, my new hometown ahead

[loud kettle]

voidstorm is dreadful

think its the color palette tbh

[craggy sonnet]

also .. is #feral piss deadge or why are you hanging around in here (not complaining)

[loud kettle]

but i enjoyed it the least by far

[drifting nova]

listen, it's hard working 2hours a week

[loud kettle]

im just always in here

[drifting nova]

lost feral animal

[lucid olive]

reminder that my first interaction with meow was in priest discord asking me to stop being funny

[drifting nova]

[craggy sonnet]

balance at heart or just boring folk over there

[loud kettle]

lacking a life i fear

[craggy sonnet]

unforch

[loud kettle]

im a balance tcer anyway didnt u know

[lucid olive]

true

[craggy sonnet]

i sure hope to see you contributing

shits cursed

[lucid olive]

i'm a feral tcer as well

[craggy sonnet]

we need you on deck

[lucid olive]

i'm in the secret feral discord

where i make super important contributions (nothing)

[loud kettle]

i was close to being the actual boomy apl guy until some actual boomkin players started working on it

i dropped it real fast

[lucid olive]

yeah the first version of the balance apl was yours

i can't wait to scrap the entire current apl and start over

[loud kettle]

apl stuff is fun tbh

i wouldnt do it if i didnt like it

[craggy sonnet]

jokes on you. gonna be the same apl just without the 2nd out of eclipse builder line

(and somewhat reverted to pre s3 tier set stuff)

[lucid olive]

yeah its just horribly unfun when someone makes a variable thats 1000 characters and need a phd to dissect it

[craggy sonnet]

who'd do something like that

[loud kettle]

there had to have been a better way to do that

[lucid olive]

just not gonna merge it unless its readable

[lofty depot]

gamz gonna find an easier way thats 0.4% worse and say fuck it

[loud kettle]

i thought about refactoring it but

[lucid olive]

if theres an apl thats 0.4% worse dps but 10% worse readability then it aint being pushed

[loud kettle]

control of the dream, potent enchantments, convoke, trinkets, tier, orbital strike vs whatever the heck gives 2 ca's im blanking

whirlign stars

[lucid olive]

yeah its fun isnt it

[loud kettle]

early spring

honestly if you removed just 1 of those it wouldnt be so bad

[craggy sonnet]

and now eclipse

and eclipse cdr

[lucid olive]

honestly the only rough part is factoring in trinket timers

[loud kettle]

ideally trinkets

[craggy sonnet]

its horrid

[lucid olive]

eclipse is also not hard

[craggy sonnet]

and idk how to maneuver around that stuff

[loud kettle]

trinkets are the biggest inflator

especially considering you can have 2 of them

[craggy sonnet]

other than legit having 10 exceptions

[loud kettle]

and they can be any cd

😵‍💫

[lucid olive]

eclipse press with more than X ap and sunfire on more than 15 seconds and moonfire if on more than 15 seconds or force of nature up

and then hold eclipse for treants and vice versa

[loud kettle]

and if you have 2 of them, you cant use them at the same time

thats the real killer

[lucid olive]

yeah trinkets are the worst

[loud kettle]

and on-use weapons of course, same thing

[craggy sonnet]

luckily treant lines are very easy right now. so another condition surely wont matter

[lucid olive]

but yeha idk, gonna make a kotg_st, ec_st, kotg_aoe and ec_aoe action list

cause most of the issues now have been with variables trying to factor everything

id rather have like 20 easy to understand variables than 3 really dumb ones

[craggy sonnet]

fair

[loud kettle]

feral wasnt too bad, its just 1min convoke 2min convoke, 2min zerk/ 3 min zerk and 30s tf

[craggy sonnet]

we'll see how it shakes out

[loud kettle]

tigers fury lines up by default

with everything

[craggy sonnet]

yeah

every spec do be that way

kinda

[loud kettle]

next xpac we get 90s incarn too but the current apl funnily enough handles that already

divides equally into tigers fury so

[craggy sonnet]

almost as if someone put some thought into that

but i love me my timeline planner

[loud kettle]

for 30s / 45s trees

you'd want 90s ca/convoke

[lofty depot]

actually if we think about it...... the sim will look worse but our output wont

lock it in

[lucid olive]

honestly dont think eclipse change makes it harder to write cooldown conditions for other stuff

just add !buff.eclipse.up or whatever

cause you wanna drop eclipse before using CA

[loud kettle]

whats eclipse cd?

[lucid olive]

32s

[loud kettle]

brother

[lucid olive]

30s with talent

[loud kettle]

wdym 32s

[lucid olive]

really random

[craggy sonnet]

2s cdr talent in tier 3

imagine

[lofty depot]

has 2 charges too

32s cuz why would it match up timing wise

fuck u, how about that

[lucid olive]

need to check if its worth to send solar on pull before treants

to get eclipse cd running

[craggy sonnet]

should be

[lofty depot]

extra solar bolt too

[craggy sonnet]

you can send it like really early

and you lose nothing

[lucid olive]

like wrath wrath wrath moonfire sunfire eclipse treants ca

[craggy sonnet]

oh

i thought you meant precombat

[loud kettle]

thats just wasted yea?

ca only lasts for half the cd

less with whirling

[lofty depot]

solar after treants

thats 24% more dam

[loud kettle]

think youd send eclipse before the wraths if thats possible