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their breath talent thing is insane
I hope it ends up so shit to play but all the fotm rerollers get stuck it it as raid buff
I should pivot my evoker to aug for my saturday alt raids
but i have a buttload of crit and no will to do keys on evoker..
Its true if u look at only bosses that mattered I haven't played moonkin since smolderon
if u count useless bosses nobody cares about then richard reverb and stix
Stix really mattered !!
gonna be super good in midnight raiding surely!!
I have faith
Yet we had soul hunters which was essentially the same shit and were ass
Yeah i need to blast bro
I'll msg you when I get home
I can log in to help if needed
my favorite tank
holy
no he stuffs those
Solar beam should be base ability and not a talent
woah buddy calm down
ok what does that do
hell ye
Will we be able to be in eclipse all the time in midnight or we will be in situations where we have no eclipse?
1 charge: 15sec
1 charge : 15sec
Recharge: 30sec/per charge.
We will lose 15 seconds of eclipse after each charge, or am I totally rtarded..? xD
it's just another mini CD now, like CA
they just kept the same name as old eclipse to confuse ppl
@normal pilot I hear you. Just thinking, because now you're theoretically able to be in eclispe 99% of the time
right?
ya there's no point calling it eclipse anymore since it's just a different thing
other than blizz trying to play off nostalgia
makes sense
will they rework the health and dmg output? I mean will we have 50M HP now and deal 50M dmg or it will be down to 500k again=
?
Surely they scale down again
There’s a stat squish. Health pools are a few thousand.
nah you're back up to hundreds of k
the stat squish is more down to DF season 1 levels
instead of SL season 1 levels
i assume we're back at the current standing at the end of Last Titan
at lvl 90 with actual dogshit gear I did 39k dps on a dummy for 10 minutes with current alpha tuning
with actual gear I assume that would be like 60-70k
think the item level in the instance was scaled up to like 140 or something, and the current 8/8 myth track Manaforge items are around 150
scale up was like 230 or 260
it fucking exists
I thought it did the exact same thing just with a different activation parameter,
we were 226 in nathria which was like 6k dps
so they must have upped the scale ye
that was also lvl 60
true didnt realize how that much changed it
you can't really compare anyways they just redo random tables
idk how big of an imapct the lvl is either
they can just scale however they want anyway
solar beam should not exist
it's 2025
nah solar beam is cool
it just needs to be a real silence
fuck half these mobs just ignoring it
not the brains
ye just like how orbital strike got taken from us
every major part of the game could be tuned differently
what a great cd
and they wouldnt have to be cringe for another
so the entire thing gets canned
but thatd require time
well pve is way more popular so it should never be changed for pvp
and understanding
but blizz is questionable on that lol
I extend that sentiment to raid and m+
they are as far apart as pve and pvp ever were
yep hate getting tuned for m+ when you are dogshit in raid
something something
less st raid bosses
pls and thank you
very few specs can be good at both
Fewer st bosses and maybe druid gets fixed
zzzz boss
this
But like if they do that, they'll probably nerf ST because otherwise bamkin would be too op
very disappointed in all the megas this time around
im ngl
billion dollar company
worse output than $0 indie devs
tru
fr there were cooler pokemons in the bootleg GBA games i bought in Turkey 18 years ago
terrible game but so are pretty much every pokemon game these days
I’m having a blast
same
Got a shiny day 1 and the hunting seems insanely fast
majority of the things I've seen about the game are just bad, but I also wasn't a fan of the original legends so I'm biased against it anyway
Its wild how insanely unhinged pokemon fans are
Every game has been slop and shit since like the original x and y
And everytime theyre literally shocked pikachu
That it doesn't look like battlefield graphics
I played the og red and blue and a little yellow and nothing since
even that was slop

the wow equivalent of calling wod the peak of wow
Yes thats what I said. Starting at x and y, everything has been slop

Gen 5 starters megas are based af
wtf is a mega 

duex addicted to wow it's so over

this was actually bait meant for Bazr
good I proc'd 2 extra though
🤝

log off right now
Im not logged in!!
liar
the actual fact we have to spend 3 more months
without new content
is crazy mindblowing
No crazy is a feral druid
Basically solo bosses
we're on 3rd one or
Yea 3rd my bad, what on earth changed between 1st and 2nd actually
Zul aman quests vs silvermoon quests ig
I've completed all of the zulaman and harandar quests
I've started the voidstorm quests too
A little cheating
Did silvermoon campaign
Arator questline
Did a few of the delves, not a big fan
Did a singular dungeon
Part of it involved fishing
🎣
I love how alpha phase 4 has "APEX TALENTS" when most of them are already in
phase 3 has encounter warnings
Supposedly
that existed in phase 1
Yea rollout order subject to change or whatever
dotc and ec are missing talents
Its cuz those are guardians of course
its pretty fleshed out for an alpha though
is it tho
We normally get by on leeching off feral and balance though
U guys are an anchor
Yeah we're great emotional support
Friend shaped
🧸


best path to take for us on the weapon in remix?
wdym path
there is no path
doesnt literally everyone take the fel guy
cause its busted
nope
boss dies before convoke finishes casting..
Convoke also feels giga bad with all the haste not affecting it
simply don't put on haste gear
would be funny if you can get convoke cast down to 1 second
Not sure how well the game handles a spell cast every 0.06 seconds
wow2 when...
not sure how the game handles a lot of stuff tbh
Besides, stacking mastery and haste makes fury of elune do funny things when you press it
bring back phat foe
Bring back aoe moonfire spread
(Idek if we’ve ever had that )
This cake was so good fr
Only double
We have aoe moonfire spread right now on a 45 second CD :)
red velvet cake bis
Ive never had red velvet cake ngl
I thought it was just an NA thing
Like carrot cake
Carrot cake is an NA thing? 
carrot cake is also really good
we do ?

problem?
What happens when big trees doesn't moonfire Doug dimmy dome
You jump off the edge Basically ST, no need for big aoe spread
o yeah forgot about that 🤣
hi is there a pin on ideal chip use
What ever Sims the best for u
it's very different per character
but I'd assume it's kris / forgeweaver trinket / antenna as a top 3 at least
time for y'all to carry me to mythic frac 
Y'all?
In 2 weeks its probably gonna be 200k for a 6/8m boost
Go pug it
100p
first 6 is already very piss
compared to last 2 at least
i pay 10 gold.
Double it 20 times and u got a deal
soulhunters m kinda not pug friendly
if we buy the kris is it a safe bet to also get the matching trink?
idk why but the ring is actually the largest upgrade for me after forge
i don't wanna buy that tho
acutally i realized why nvm
Which ring
You cant buy that silly

Only trinkets and cantrip items
out of curiosity when you say cantrip items you mean like the weapons with the purple text right
also is the boots not something we should consider?
i need to sim some different combos i think
Theres probably gonna be a droptimizer with all dinar items to make your life easy
oh that would be great
i'll wait a little then
your tip about which to consider was good though
i was considering too many things
we started mythic really late probably relative to you
"but what if I don't have the off hand crafted"
i have actually no mythic pieces from vault or raid besides phasebelt
I sont have offhand crafted
Im running the fract one
Big
Feral on prog..smh
Double boomkin surely the play
First to disband mby
I mean cotti is just better player
Don't let ur dreams be memes
ban them all 
So I can kick the boomie down the stairs?

Sorry for the drive by
I'm glad weakauras are dead so larias can be normal now, surely
Lmao
For M+, in an elunes chosen build, is it better to have umbral inspiration or astronomical impact?
umbral
thank you!
how is it looking on the alpha in terms of balance vs feral?
yes
so both looking pretty good i guess? well more choices is always good
Alpha shouldnt be used as an example for how your class plays, what tuning will be like, or how either fair against each other
I don’t like that eclipse is an active
i dont like that eclipse is
The fact its also on the gcd is lame
I mean... Eclipse is an active right mow
Sure but it's instant
1 step at a time
Take off gcd incar is off gcd and pretty much same thing
Make it happen artic
Do it
idk you don't really notice the GCD that much
the only thing that feels bad is Treants also being a GCD
and Treants don't do anything other than give you a dmg amp
if pressing Treants procced something on the targets it hits or whatever and you'd be incentivized to press it as the first global in Eclipse instead of prior to it I think it'd feel better
are they as bad as kekkers
random? it's cd no?
randomly when eclipsing
cant wait for the moments of high rolling total exclisp 4 times in a row
then never hit it again for the rest of the fight/key
When u press eclipse, u have a chance to get total eclipse yes
I mean if you were going to eclipse anyway
Uhhh, well when u don't have other CDs no
then dont eclipse
Well sure, but it's all th same regardless right

but its the more better damage eclispe
3 surges, build again, 3 morr
more than 2?
did you ever get your 3k and 13s or whatever done yet kekkers
dinars coming otu this week, surely youll hit it now
fuck no
Need df1 back or nighthold back
tww might be the last, not even a high note 
is na up yet
have you tried logging in

kekkers truly is lost
Dinar/Bullion/Cartel Chips
These are the highest value items you should consider buying with your Dinar/Bullion/Cartel Chip during turbo boost. The best purchase for you will depend on what your main form of content is, what items you are eligible to buy and what items you currently have. These are listed roughly in order of priority, but sims can vary depending on your character. This list assumes you have access to these items at mythic difficulty.
Items from Raid:
- Voidglass Kris or Voidglass Spire. Crafting an off-hand and using the Voidglass Kris is generally better for raid, where Voidglass Spire and crafting 2x Dawnthread/Duskthread pieces could be better for M+.
- Interloper's Reinforced Sandals
- Araz's Ritual Forge
- Diamantine Voidcore for Nexus King and Dimensius since the high movement requirements makes it harder to pick up Antenna orbs in these encounters
- Astral Antenna for the easier raid bosses
Items from M+:
Notable off-spec suggestions:
Feral: Spellstrike Warplane. This is a good weapon for Feral, and Feral generally uses the same trinkets as Balance does.
Guardian: Brand of Ceaseless Ire this is an incredibly good tank trinket.
Resto: Nexus King's Command.
Pin lets gooo
yeah i just stole yours
only so many ways you can write a pin about the same thing ¯_(ツ)_/¯
what are the kill times on ST u want potent mr smart chicken @lucid olive
sub 5mins
in some fights i'll decide after like 2 minutes if i send treants and hold convoke etc for a double CA send at 2:45 ish or send the single CA at 2m and a double CA at 4m
Fractillus gonna be sub 4 minute
fractillus is already too fast
Whats the 3:40 talent build...
and sub 4min or something you go back to grove and do 2-2
oh i mean 2:45
oh well
same talents you just hold trinket, convoke and ca
send treants alone at 2 minutes and then double CA at 2:45
Can play potent too, but it's 330 kill time vs 350
Yea for feral drop 2 min zerk cuz its useless, zerk voke at 3min gg
what do you get with potent?
dont wanna think
Dang servers still down
dang still in fellowship queue
Well if the fight doesn't last long enough for u to get double back with grove
But if the kill time is long enough for grove to double.... (It's w.e. 20s diff) But it's like 4% diff iirc
Dinar pin 
is the kris cause everyone crafted off hand
sure, guess i could add some more info on that
Would it be better to take trink if you have a crafted wep and a lower trink?
You should sim your character to find the best options for you
the Voidglass weapons are generally very strong though
I know it’s lemix that’s causing these maintenance times
Staff isn't the same, it's got beans stats
Also depending on what people have ascendance vs duskthread/dawnthread could be better
oh ye its high haste that sucks for keeper
Is fine for the m+ers
what situation do we ever use diamantine voidcore?
assuming we have access to buy everything
never right?
antenna is bait
In conjunction with kriss
voidcore is peak lean back and logoff item
i really dont feel antenna is bait, i can reliably get 0-15% loss in raid fights

it does try to get u killed in loomithar tho lol
Some people can't get 0-15% loss
The worse u are the better proc damage trinkets are
voidcore nice for the shield
The shield proc is lower now
Nhuh
so based
i haven't been paying much attention lately. antenna is not bis? what is this about?
nvm i see the pin.
It's not, not bis
antenna gives ridiculous max dmg potential
the little balls chase you around, only not fun when you have to chase them
check dinars vendor 
gaslight gatekeep girlboss gamz
It does for the resto alternative
What’s the gap between antenna and void core in m+ if you have one of the void weapons?
how the fuck are any of you logged in NA
Go NA beta test for funny exploits pls
skill
finding % gains in m+ is cringe... its easier to use and within reason the same dps
are you also stuck
cant get past retrieving realm list
can I see your raider.io please
garyeet
u see where we started pushing then said.... meh we'll wait til turbo boost 😛
Rookie numbers
Pushing on moonkin sounds like a bad time
lol pushing with a tank that doesnt know how to play his class is bad too
but here we are
None of them do
Think I abandoned like 8 different +17 pugs today
Hunter doing 2.8m dps on the first pull Dawnbreaker was a fun one
I don't really talk much to em I just sign up and crank up the volume on Spotify and blast
Resto shaman dying 6 times before finishing 1st boss in Dawnbreaker was fun too
Tomorrow I get a +18 from the vault, hoping it's not gambit or halls
i was it just loaded for me
I swear resto shaman always troll idk
Yeah it's unreal man
They're hard casting chain heal for every cast and never use any CDs
He died twice to the coccoon burst or whatever on the 1st side boat cause he wasn't topped when it exploded
Then died to the heal absorb on the boss right after
Yes lmao literally this
We did a prio early
First pull while we are still pulling in mounts first gcd he pops link
?
just got in ye
hmmmmm
voidcore power is in the set to a decent degree and that does not scale in aoe
So simming 730 antenna/forge/parapodia/voidcore. its telling me to use para/voidcore for my best for raid. Is this true?
show sim
ur in ec
u should also change this to latest
(wont change anything but just wrong)
u should also look into the dreamgrove.gg guide because ur opener is wrong 🙂
is there an add on that saves action bar lay outs and key binds?
Bartender

smh needed turbo boost
i walked into the accretion disk on kill
I havent gone in depth but whats EC?

the talents u use when ur playing m+
also known as Elunes Chosen
oof
big oof
Are we still hanging onto the stupid delve belt?
my guildie won't listen to me about ditching belt. I did, but he says raidbots still says to keep it
it's equal to it's item level (and has some extra lift in aoe if you run the haste proc)
but if you have myth track that should be gone gone
doubt
tell him to link sim
hmmm
i dont have to craft oh
lock in
duskthread gang
eh if he wants to keep the belt let him keep the belt
do not
my character wants so much vers what happened
welcome to boomkin
silly kitty
I know
I don't even know where to begin with it
Some how he's simming 300 hundred dps more than me
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/nzAR37NMFg9AL3z2rQaQdf think i am finally done nothing sims as a upgrade in raid and m+
what is this .. surely something wrong with droptimizer
no way it wants that much haste
simming without adding gems might be smart
"guys its not better"
no idea thats why i asked
Getting that best in slots


wowhead slop what else is new
Saw this and came running
Funny af
wow thats crazy
yea surely wowhead didn't use chatgpt to write that
copy pasted from the last one and forgot to remove B-I-S
lol
@lucid olive Can we get an updated dinar list with Best in Slots at number 1
XD
We obviously trust wow head
its in the name
look at sim plz
did you not login for a month?
BIS what are you doing here
Go home youre drunk wowhead
wowhead is tettles
I said what I said
tettles, known slacker
fellowship aint gonna play itself
Doesnt matter boomy still chugging dogwater
so based
if ur bad
i cant say what i wanna say here without my team finding out
yeah i got no gear for 3 weeks actually
just like me
would lily myth track be better then hero araz in mplus? im using myth antenna as my other . or is para the better route
why would you use forge in +
bro p2.2 the first soak is so insufferable to get to through the slow
hero lily would be better than hero araz
araz is not poggers
yo i got hero antenna (i have hero empowering crystal rn), but myth shoulders are simming higher should i do shoulders or trink?
i dont see a good reason to take a hero item out of vault
What about it?
Did u look at it
how many crests do 10s give
16 or smth?
Skitter delve ezpz
Take 5 minute get 15 runed, and 65 valor
If u have some untetheredcoins u can buy 50 valor stones at the cape quest guy
I See it. I'll send that to him. thanks dude
Yeet, tell him next time to click some gems and the replace button.
Will do. Thanks very much ❤️
starfire, since you get the buff from tier set and a bunch of other stuff
and you don't really have solar anyway, unless in incarn
check pinned and you should have a guide for it, also check youtube videos aswell, always helps
should read your hero talents
^
specifically the bottom left one
❤️
lunar calling 😮
inb4 staying awake till 5am to check vault and i'll regret it 🥲
yea surely servers up
Hahahaha NA beta testers 
we try our best
we never have these problems, they always beta test for us, thank us ❤️
i got home and server was up
so ez
dimmy prog is pain
I was doing that shit all night on kill night
get to pargoth's platform a global faster
so you can hold damage a global faster too
maybe with boost we don't hold as a guild
should've just went to sleep, damn what an ass vault
3000 free gold
honestly, something 😂
Upgrades to hero track
im taking the valor stones over the gold
try the mythic vendor perhaps
dw I did the same
Lmfaoooo
howd you kill 6 on mythic huh 
Listen, people were standing over the mythic vendor

Wasn't it only 1 vendor last tier?
Is antenna or voidcore and the cantrip better?
sim it
I couldn't tell if it was bugged or not with ritual forge
ritual forge doesnt effect either
hell yeah bear from remix
if we have voidglass kris, does voidcore start to beat out antenna?
The answer might be surprising but the Sim will tell you
xd
i will going for Voidglass Kriss, and then antenna. im already have Voidglass Spire and Voidcore
Ah, sounds good, thanks!
Its basically the same
should fix that
so you jump off, wild charge, swap into flight form?
we can use flight form on dimensius?
gg
the entire jump off + wild charge is just for show and boredom after pulling so much
yeah it was a hotfix they did to enable flight form in the fight, DO NOT DO IT FOR THE FIRST FLIGHT BECAUSE YOU DO NOT GET FREED UNTIL XALATATH DROPS YOU
using vigor abilities also global locks you so have to be careful trying to get back to moonkin from bird
I was bench for two nights because we swapped one night and work fucked me over, plus I just fell behind
you get bored quick tho
exactly i need that rizz
might limit test how far you can just jump off (not in mythic) for science (so I can do it in mythic)
Story mode is the tech
TRUE
I dont have story mode unlocked
idek how you unlock it
currently progging nexus as bear, only have a mythic kill of soulbinder and plexus on druid, is it a buy voidspire angle? sim says its 1% behind and dunno how long until we reclear again
Probably campaign
campaign quest until you get the thing to kill dimmy for heroic crest
Probably campaign
But ur a bear
Why are you here
does it matter
Yes?
i am asking a question about boomkin
i dont have anything useful to purcahse as bear
i dont have soul hunter mythic kill
there's no damage check 1% won't matter
if you want the weppy get it, personally my guild kept reclearing as normal until nexus died
that was my thinking since going from my current waepon to voidspire is 6%, kirs is 7%
I mean the staff is kinda ass
ye we started extending once we beat soul since we were taking a while to kill it
my current weapon is 710 🚮
soul hunters right?
yea
the optional boss?
?
soul hunters is optional 
good joke
Optional 
:clueless:
Or if ur not playing balance
Wait for reclear to buy?
Wr 10000 things i guess
sadly i will not pay 5 dollars a month for the funny emotes
ya i think this is the play
just feelsb ad burning a hole in bag with dinar kek
when I needed 4 things to buy last season I just waited until I got 2 of the items to natty drop
since i have no soul kc theres nothing good to buy for bear
damn if you can find discord nitro for 3aud i'd love to see it
broke 
disengage + flap + prismatic bauble might give insane aura
yeah, negative aura
evoker speaking
dam u guys at 500 hours in that channel
same thing
ref do something
Okay, I can't figure out how to get raidbots to work this out:
Is a maxed out crafted weapon better than a 717 Voidglass kris with a maxed out crafted offhand without the trinket for the set?
heroic

stop being an elitist smH
There's no way I am going to clear Mythic
Myth weapon > hero weapon
Always
I will not
Unless...
Even with the proc?
Should be
the procs kinda wild man
(it lost to trees throwing hands)
(at mythic)
Okay, I got the sim working. Crafted weapon is better.

any logs gods
can we figure out from this how many antenna orbs were missed throughout the fight to get a number for sim miss chance?
why are u playing warlock
Check the 2 buffs
yea im a bit confused on which one is which
thats vrazy
easy 60% miss rate
bros trying to avoid them or?
Tbf sometimes they try to avoid you
And stop right outside your hitbox, then when you run towards them they float away
im too voidcore to understand
so bottom one is the buff?
Yeah you can't pick up more antennas than spawn
how did u get that display
amen
go buffs and sort alphabetically
ability.ID = 1239641 OR ability.ID = 1239640
or that ig
Just go voidcore, call it a day
same shit on rank 2 boomkin
Yeah antenna is fairly overrated
Doesn't help that it was bugged in sims early on
Cookie monster begs to differ
where is that from now?
same log..
dafaq
just removing the duplicates
why tho
oh
encounterPhase!=2 and (type="applybuffstack" or type="applybuff" or type="removebuffstack" or type="removebuff") and (ability.id=1239640 or ability.id=1239641)
p2?
p2 in logs is flying
Because any spawning while flying aren't a real indicator
ah
So if you want to check another boss you remove that
ye so between 40 and 50 % miss chance for boomkins it seems
55% for rank 2 log with that filter
guess im just simming dinar purchases with 50% misschance then, only care about dimmy prog
just pick voidcore
I've been simming 20% miss chance and voidcore still beats it
brr
if it sims better sure
it beats it for me with 0% 
i mean my trinkets are doomed
Spend all mana before doing your opener
you just buy araz if u dont have it
boots > araz
just have boots?
i have boots..
ya
I'm buying xmog
Im buying a good trinky for my evoker
gross
what ilvl is dinar items
whatever the boss drops them at
basege
to be fair with current bamkin you only really need antenna proc on cds and outside that its really w/e
just proc 
i guess miss chance during cd's on dimmy should be way lower than overall
I have been offline since the beginning of October and now find my flight travel form to be very slow, is it a bug or did I miss reading about this ?
you talking about skyriding or normal flying?
normal flight
hmmm haven't used that in ages can't say, maybe someone else noticed something
feels like i am flying at ground speed
normal flight is dookie
granted but its easier to harvest at ,, but now its beyond slow lol
Idk
It’s always been as what it is now
310
Which feels like dogshit when used to dragon riding
i tried slow mode with a regular mode and compared a distance ,, 9 secs on mount and 14 on travel form .. i must be fubared
gg druid nerfed
log off retail, fellowship doesn't have this issue
nah I can't tell if I'm gaslighting myself but travel form does feel slower 
People .. fly from one point to the other counting secs and then use a regular mount see if there s a diff
that's insane work
true
U know how it is
@scarlet ocean you will love this
you got no cast mount now with hallowend
I do not, logging off now
Temporary nerf so we use the hallow broom
games unplayable
ngl it might actually be bugged
saw a tweet yapping at blizz cs
hahahahahaha
good its only normal flying and not skyriding
Did you test skyriding, or are you assuming they didn't fuck that too?
didnt test but surely those are entirely different things on the other end of the spaghetti bowl

wowhead say pick Astral Antenna 2st but dream groove pick on 4... what is lie? should i pick more haste?
ask @round field
King's command good for boomie?
healer trinket
it requires you to regrowth between eclipse
oooooh
and spam cancelaura your instant regrowth procs
the secret bis trinket everybody agreed to never talk about 
What would this do?
line it up with trinket
so you use it whenever you can get the buff or try to somewhat line it up with your cds ?
I imagine both if you want to minmax it
or just don't use it at all
doesnt seem that bad to play, i wonder if it performs well
if you play it perfectly its probably the best trinket
but you won't play it as good as a sim does
hey guys do I pick an item with lot of vers via dinar, im heading into hc dimensius prog p2 2nd add
and it makes movement considerably harder
ye ofc
pls help important
no you choose best transmog item
looking cute > power
Swimsuit it is....
get the warglaives transmog

tmog is the ultimate endgame anyway

hey lakerz
hey deux hope u have a good day 
one in which you feel content and at peace with the world ^_^
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i saw someone simming 6.7
I went to sim yourself island and no one there knew you.

I hang out sometimes


A boomkin? Doubt
idk happens to me pretty frequently
we out here vibing
I simmed 6.9
that's not 'out here' that's literally going inwards
and ignoring what's out there
don't kid yourself!
I think you're hearing what you want to hear...
I'm gonna go inwards on u
who said anything about boomkin
i just said i saw someone sim 6.7

















