balance

[delicate perch]

+1 house -wow is an insane trade

[modern kernel]

what talent I can use to buff for teammate when doing M+ ?

[exotic perch]

mark of the wild

[delicate perch]

log into a real dps

[vital hound]

[dense steeple]

1 bil damage on the burn alone wtf?

[teal sphinx]

Ain't you playing boomy?

[vital hound]

remix

[teal sphinx]

Remix......the only time boomy is good

[vital hound]

[teal sphinx]

You kill dimmy yet?

[vital hound]

ya

[teal sphinx]

[vital hound]

https://tenor.com/e8gzenCovU4.gif

[delicate perch]

fellowshippin

[wispy pagoda]

How much dps do you guys do on bosses with m+ build

[drifting nova]

not enough

[wispy pagoda]

whats that number 😮

[drifting nova]

which boss

[wispy pagoda]

Any ST boss haa

for the m+ build

[drifting nova]

like plexus

[wispy pagoda]

i feel like im doing something wrong

noo like in keys in general

no extra adds

[drifting nova]

4-5 idk depends if you can count

have cds

group

are there evne any pure st bosses

[wispy pagoda]

uhh not sure xD

Im tryna figure out boomie

[drifting nova]

like the 1st and 5th in streets

are both st

but wildly different

[wispy pagoda]

I seem to not do much st dps in keys

[drifting nova]

your job isnt st

[wispy pagoda]

ooh

yea on adds im burning it up

[lofty depot]

post a log

idk depends

some bosses we pull shit into

others im afk

[wispy pagoda]

Im just practiciing on dummies currently

are you always in a solar eclipse

or swap between lunar too

[lofty depot]

well in m+ u play elunes chosen and solar doesnt exist

[wispy pagoda]

yeah

on dummies im doing like 12m cleave

seems like the aoe rotation is nt that bad

do i dot everything with moonfire

[lofty depot]

read your mastery

(yes)

[wispy pagoda]

oh shoot

i usually play resto xD

Im guessing im dumping all my astral power into starfall

[lofty depot]

when theres mutliple mobs

yes

you care more about casting starfires tho

you press starfall because u want to cast more starfires and gain asp

[jade flume]

what u playin bud

[delicate perch]

trying out the legally not hunter/boomkin man

hbu

[jade flume]

helener

[delicate perch]

[jade flume]

big tankerman

big dam

[twin lotus]

can you elaborate a bit on that, is it better to straight up spam starfire even if you are capped as long as you have 3 starlord stacks?

during CA that is

[crude cargo]

you dont want to overcap asp

[lucid olive]

No you can't proc EC tier set when you're capped

So Starlord and overcapping are only reasons to spend as EC

[twin lotus]

Okay that seems reasonable

[crude void]

Its disgusting of a playstyle tbh

[lofty depot]

U don't overcap, that was the "gain asp" part of that

[viral veldt]

Hey guys, quick question:
Is it worth to try and time the 2 big starsurge AoE dmg that comes from tier set after CA ends instead of using starfall when adds need to die on myth raid?

Like Araz fight for instance

[lofty depot]

The whole purpose of our sequence is to surge in CA

And generally with trees when possible

[viral veldt]

Yeah, my question is if it’s worth to try and time the CA so that the 2 starsurges you cast when it ends blow up big AOE dmg. This is what our tier set does amiright? Or am I tripping 😂

[round field]

No

You hit it on araz in dmg amp

[viral veldt]

What about the other CA casts

[craggy sonnet]

What other?

Add dmg ain't even included in parses anymore

[viral veldt]

Or let’s say soulbinder fight when all adds spawn on center - is it worth to time those 2 starsurges when they all group?

[viral veldt]

Really? Didn’t know that

[craggy sonnet]

Ye, orbs and attendants are not counting anymore

[viral veldt]

Does that apply to araz only or all fights with adds? Hmm btw how do you figure that?

[lofty depot]

Well if u look at lorrgs

U can see when people cast their cds

And then look when adds spawn

[lofty depot]

Most of the time, fights with adds take the pad away from the parses

Warcraftlogs does a survey

And takes people's opinion on the matter

[craggy sonnet]

it is stated when you look at the log at the top of the dmg breakdown

and was announced in the wcl discord

[round field]

Hard to miss the big poll when you open wclogs as well

[viral veldt]

I am unsure if this is the case with Araz because I’m on the phone and checking lorrgs is a PITA, but the website doesn’t show every boss ability and I think the adds spawn on that boss is one of them but not sure. Is there a best place to check these things ? To compare with CD usage onclorrgs

[round field]

Ok araz is very simple

You pop your double ca opener

And then you dont press ca convoke

Until dmg amp

And then boss dies

[viral veldt]

Ah got it

[lofty depot]

Well u can click on one of the logs on lorrgs and it goes

But again, it doesn't matter cuz they don't count

[viral veldt]

Thanks 😂 Araz is just an example btw I am just trying to get the fundamental of our tier set usage. Like when is it better to starfall instead of surge

[lofty depot]

U save ur ca's for the damage amp anyway

[round field]

Why would you starfall

Is has nothing to do with tier

[lofty depot]

If ur playing ST talents at 3+

But again, if ur sending Starfall at the end of CA instead of surges when u have the buffed surges ur doing it wrong

[dire osprey]

i hold all my cds for big add so the warlocks cant parse

[round field]

I respect that

[lofty depot]

I slam them on first add set, so then all the melees overall on details looks like shit

[dire osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/predator-arnold-schwarzenegger-hand-shake-arms-gif-3468629

i dont care about succeeding i just want to see others fail

[modern kernel]

how much DPS is good for Balace right now ?

[round field]

I hit the boss cause im not a dogshit padded

[round field]

Can you be more specific

[lofty depot]

DPS on what

[modern kernel]

M+

[lofty depot]

Type shit

[round field]

Ok

What dungeon

And what key level

[lofty depot]

Overall? On a boss?

[round field]

And what are the other 4 specs

Lets just say

Anywhere between 6 and 12 million

[dire osprey]

and how fast was the key

[craggy sonnet]

none of that shit matters .. likely you are asking because you feel you are underperforming

so just send a log

to get some actual pointers

[round field]

Rude

[viral veldt]

For AoE dmg. So I guess the star falls I see one lorrgs must be for AoE that is always out of CA window and boosted post-CA surge?

[lofty depot]

If u don't do 9m in a 12+, it's likely ur playing incorrect 🙂

[craggy sonnet]

its not rude, its the only way to get tangible feedback to improve from

[round field]

The way you said it is rude

[lofty depot]

Some people like starfalling the echo and boss

[round field]

Grow up clanker

[modern kernel]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9WdLcpzX2LxtP7PgT32zEJ is that my char good for DPS on M+ around 12-13key level ?

[lofty depot]

Some people also play AOE talents

For collector damage

[round field]

Its good enough

[lofty depot]

I... At 724 ilvl can carry 2 monkeys doing tank damage, so yes that's fine

U should change ur weapon enchant tho

It's also curious u crafted ring with mastery vers

And a staff with mastery haste

[modern kernel]

yeah I am trying find voidglass to replace

[wise hare]

whats wrong with a vers/mastery craft

[lofty depot]

I said it's curious

[wise hare]

fair

[lofty depot]

It's likely fine cuz they have like 24k haste

But all the other crafts are mastery haste

[wise hare]

isnt that weapon enchant off too?

[lofty depot]

I said that yes

[wise hare]

ya just saw

he can prolly get a decent amount of dps just recrafting/enchanting

[lofty depot]

Idk if the recraft is much in AOE

The weapon buff is only raid right? But depths in m+ isn't very good regardless

[wise hare]

tbf i never check m+ sims

[lofty depot]

Neither is ascension but shrug

[wise hare]

there is way too many other factors that matter in m+

compared to a enchant

[lofty depot]

Yea, m+ sim sends incarn for fun sometimes

[delicate perch]

Yeah but streamer man has 13 more haste than me???

It’s so over

[lofty depot]

Yea, fuck streamer man

[wise hare]

streamer man also presses buttons on gcd

shocking

[lofty depot]

He also has a better healer

And mine lets me die

[delicate perch]

Dw about that, I’d press them too if I I had 13 more haste :/

[wise hare]

me when i check logs and see our destro lock overcapping shards for 1/3rd of the fight

[delicate perch]

He’s just holding incase of emergency

[wise hare]

so true

poor soul

tbf he has the hardest job in the soul hunter fight

he has to hit the boss while doing nothing else

[delicate perch]

Start a gofundme for him right now

[wise hare]

i think its already too late

boomy topping meters with sub rogue and locks in the raid

[livid prairie]

u guys can top meter with boomy!?

the death meter maybe..

[lofty depot]

Death meter no

I'm tanky

And yea boomy can top meter,.just gotta play with shitters

[livid prairie]

what if...

i'm the shitter.

[maiden pasture]

deja vu

opened dg and saw the same message as 3 days ago

[craggy sonnet]

It has nothing to do with the weapon buff

Stat enchant is just better and they scale in aoe

[lofty depot]

Just learn to not be shit

[livid prairie]

[pallid bay]

he prob playing wrong but they're allowed to cap to time their cb with ritual expiring i think

[wise hare]

yea most likely not that cause tho

[maiden pasture]

the eightsune knowledge bomb

[royal zenith]

yeah insane bomb, one line of text

that's crazy

[round field]

Yea

Mby stop being bad

[livid prairie]

When i said u guys i was talking to everyone except u

[royal zenith]

do you like hamsters @livid prairie

[round field]

Mad cuz bad

[uncut roost]

I've been topping meters on our Nexus King pulls

Granted the pulls last about a minute

[round field]

[lofty depot]

U should top it on kill too

Save 2m for platforms during prog while people die and shit

[lofty depot]

@vagrant prawn Nebraska -7, white out?? Cancer awareness??? White with pink jersey???

[wind ridge]

my rl asking where my damage coming from after progging on dimmy for the first time last night and noticed I'm #1 on boss damage

[strange edge]

Removing Starfall from my bars for the entire raid

[vagrant prawn]

I think so but the gophers are going maroon on maroon

[lofty depot]

Yea the gophers are double ugly

[lofty depot]

Tell him to delete the first 30 seconds of the fight and see where it damage is

[wind ridge]

shhh haven't made it past p1 yet

[edgy quarry]

Question about boomies at midnight : Do you know if blizzard thought about inclundig astral power bar in their system to replace WA ?

[exotic perch]

atm i think people are using a reskinning addon to do that

bc blizz is dumb and didnt think about it

[edgy quarry]

That's what I thought...

[round field]

me when blizzard kills an addon and we are praying theres a new addon to replace their shit

[royal zenith]

praying?

grow up

[lucid olive]

yeah but the astral power bar won't be able to do anything fancy like predicting incoming AP from your current cast and stuff that weakauras are doing

it'll just show your current AP

which is fine i guess

[exotic perch]

i mean its not fine lol

cba to do math the entire time i play the spec

[cloud citrus]

youll get used to it

[lucid olive]

thats fine, especially when the incoming AP varies depending on your talents..

[exotic perch]

its fine for spec that count to 5 lol

very easy on ret pally or feral

[cloud citrus]

if starsurge and starfall costed less it would be a problem but they dont so its w/e

[exotic perch]

https://tenor.com/view/sesame-street-the-count-hmm-you-don't-say-interesting-gif-6749268887241164901

[edgy quarry]

I didn't look what they did on boomies but some simplicationd are comming for all classes, Boomies too I guess :/

[cloud citrus]

boomy got more complicated

[edgy quarry]

really ?

[lucid olive]

yeah the spec had no depth and complexity to remove

[cloud citrus]

ye more cd management

[lucid olive]

now you have another rule for all your CDs

[cloud citrus]

probs some talents that make out of eclipse state crazy

[lucid olive]

eclipse, treants, ca, trinket, convoke all with different cooldowns and duration

get excited

[cloud citrus]

should be fun'

[edgy quarry]

whatt

[edgy quarry]

for sure ! I'm not againt complexity

[exotic perch]

where is my dad build where i take the most passive talents and dont have to juggle all those cds

[lucid olive]

depends on the complexity

[exotic perch]

and still do within 3% dam

[cloud citrus]

its called feral

they gutted them aoe and st

[edgy quarry]

what a pleasure

[lucid olive]

it plays like a bm hunter when you're in combat

but you need a spreadsheet to plan your cooldowns before pulling

[edgy quarry]

wait

we can cast and run at midnight ?

[lucid olive]

No but like 60%+ of your casts are instant

[edgy quarry]

How do you value today in pourcentage just to compare ?

[worldly cliff]

Hey Guys, I'm offspeccing Moonkin right now... Just to clarify. In Single Target I only use wrath to get into lunar eclipse right?

[lucid olive]

what hero talent are you playing

[worldly cliff]

but... if i'm in icarn...?

Elunes Chosen

[lucid olive]

yes only wrath to enter lunar

press starfire outside of it

[worldly cliff]

So never press wrath..... good I pressed in ST for m+ and my ST dmg was tanking hard....

[lucid olive]

on my last Fractillus kill it was about 40%

not including stuff like Barkskin and Innervate

[edgy quarry]

Ok so we will have more mobility at midnight !

[lucid olive]

yes

[edgy quarry]

Which is a good thing

[worldly cliff]

But just to clarify : in Wowhead there is the following under advanced:

[lucid olive]

it depends

[worldly cliff]

So Wrath in single target is fine during incarn?

[lucid olive]

this is not for elune's chosen

[cloud citrus]

ye wrong elunes chosen rofl

i can see how someone would be confused though

if they read all there talents and not the hero talent

[lucid olive]

idk

he purposefully scrolled down and read the part at the bottom

[cloud citrus]

true

[lucid olive]

skipping the 4 boxes above it that gives the proper info

[lucid olive]

this season you'd enter lunar and press starfire regardless of lunar calling

but yeah

its still better to do that even with stellar command

[lofty depot]

It's easier to navigate on dreamgrove.gg

U can click a drop down for EC and see the ST and multi target prios

But no, u press Starfire. Read your hero talent called lunar calling

[edgy quarry]

Btw who is redacting all this guide ?😊

[lucid olive]

redacting?

[lofty depot]

Huh

[edgy quarry]

Like writing sorry

[edgy quarry]

Ok it was written sorry 😂

[lofty depot]

Redacting doesn't mean writing. It means hiding

[lucid olive]

shut up you [redacted]

[edgy quarry]

Oh mb ! Thanks

[lofty depot]

Whoa

[pallid bay]

i take full responsibility

unless you're complaining

[drifting nova]

mop ptsd

[exotic perch]

Entirety of wow ptsd

Blizz are some real stubborn devs man

[vital hound]

devs is a strong word

[dense steeple]

Its actually a pretty fuckin basic word

Too bad blizzard devs have the IQ of the crumbs in the bag of chicken nuggets in my freezer

[drifting nova]

wish I had some chicken nuggets

[lucid olive]

almost 9 messages in the last 12 hours

guess @lofty depot finally finished bullying out all the curious minds

[misty vapor]

hey guys, do you know where i can find the best sims in 730 ilvl ?

simulationcraft did not update their sims to match the new item lvl

and i wonder if some of our bis gear changes

[rose spear]

yo is there anyone here who has played almost every dps spec ? i need to take some of your time ( will pay yu either in gold or dollars if u are down ) i need to ask some questions

[mighty mica]

just ask the questions, there's bound to be people that can answer

[lucid olive]

they dont

[lucid olive]

yes you shouldnt look at those builds

[lucid olive]

https://www.dreamgrove.gg/static/sims/itemstrings.txt

take this and replace every 723 with 730

[misty vapor]

Balance in remix is doing great

[misty vapor]

Ok thanks i guess i will just make lots of top gear sim on raidbot

[craggy sonnet]

any particular question regarding gear?

cause its not like you have every item available to you anyways

[lofty depot]

long ago, the 4 nations lived in peace

[sharp oasis]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/LJw7nYk3r8XVp42G?fight=68&type=summary any tips and tricks on my gameplay? 🙂

[delicate perch]

How are you 711 ilvl
Your first ca you waste dream state stacks
Logs on mobile is cringe gg

[lucid olive]

thats a lot of sunfire casts before you start doing dmg

thats almost a 20 second window of setting up dots

the pull can not be that big

also when you're entering cooldowns

you want to do Fury of Elune first, and then Incarn+Starfall/Starsurge on the next global depending on target count

And then spend your Dreamstate stacks before pressing Warrior of Elune

you did the Sunfire thing again later

Moonfire when tank is gathering the mobs and Sunfire when they are gathered

that way you would have saved 2 globals here and started blasting earlier

If you want a checklist on what to improve on:

1. Be more effective in spreading your DoTs earlier in a pull. The first 10+ seconds of a pull as Moonkin is playing Nameplate aim trainer
2. Cast more, there are at times very clear gaps in your casts, assume this is because you are forced to move and did not anticipate the mechanic/have bad spatial awareness
3. FoE -> Incarn+Starfall/Starsurge -> Starfall -> Starfire -> Starfall -> Starfire -> Warrior of Elune

[teal sphinx]

hey bro can you shut it and give useful advice.

[grave raft]

Would you like to meet up in person and say it to my face?

[delicate perch]

Yes

[grave raft]

🥰

[teal sphinx]

Y’all need to touch grass fr
Fucking weird

[delicate perch]

That’s ai

[dense steeple]

What i need to add to make it real

[lofty depot]

@cursive mirage doressssssssssssss

[cursive mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/diego-pavia-vandy-vanderbilt-we're-turnt-gif-7193822625925077032

[sharp oasis]

How am I 711 iLvL, yes maybe because i’ve rerolled this char not long ago. What kind of question is That even. Do you think people get to 720 instant or?

[ivory torrent]

Yes

[lucid olive]

lul not high ilvl within a week

[loud kettle]

19 ilvls below max

[fossil shard]

No pash

[void jacinth]

i'd touch your grass

[drifting nova]

[delicate perch]

Early morning bait, today going to be a good day

[drifting nova]

wait evne I'm not 710

[jade flume]

u gotta lock in brother

sub 720 is kinda illegal these days

[soft jungle]

Whats a reasonable amount of miss % to expect for Antenna on Nexus King mythic?

[lofty depot]

0, dont miss

(probably 20%)

[teal sphinx]

Ayo

[void jacinth]

is it possible to miss, it follows me around and enters my body i dont have to do anything

great trinket, 0 effort for lots of crit

[lofty depot]

So true

Some people run away from orbs

[drifting nova]

you like wasting orbs during downtime?

small pump mind

I suppose the flap stall still works seeing as blizzard never fixes anything

[void jacinth]

blizzard didnt intend for me to degen those pink orbs

its made to be easy

[void jacinth]

theyre scared of doing too much dps

i pop em like PacMan

three in a row = triple damage

[maiden pasture]

movement fights

take nks for example, u run across the arena and leave an orb behind

[void jacinth]

buddy will catch up dw

ive seen em move

[lofty depot]

I will not be leaving my orbs behind

[void jacinth]

disgusting behavior, if you cared that much about dps youd be playing hunter or something

[lofty depot]

But then id be a hunter

[drifting nova]

I disengage on cd to run from orbs

if blink pots existed I'd use those

[void jacinth]

women disengage on cd to run from you

[drifting nova]

not what your REDACTED does

[woven flint]

Are rings from first and 4th boss also gonna be on the dinar vendor ?

[void jacinth]

3th

[silver canopy]

should you always enter an eclipse before incarn?

[lofty depot]

dinars are weapons, trinkets, and bonus loot

[lofty depot]

it is not required no

[silver canopy]

it looks like you re proccing balance of all things twice thats why im asking

[lofty depot]

well it gives a new boat because youre entering a new eclipse

u generally dont want to enter eclipse cuz ur wasting dreamstate stacks

which means ull cast less starfires in incarn

[woven flint]

a ty

[void jacinth]

fewer*

[lofty depot]

didnt ask

[ionic surge]

Stfu nerd

[void jacinth]

didnt know I had AoE taunt

[delicate perch]

aoe ragebait is insane actually

[drifting nova]

lesser

[meager storm]

zero to hero?

is it doable chat

[delicate perch]

ur gunna catch up to that guy in like 20 mins man slow down

[lofty depot]

i believe

[meager storm]

is the raid buff maxed yet

[delicate perch]

[meager storm]

oh easy then

https://tenor.com/view/lock-in-silly-cat-cat-locked-in-lock-tf-in-gif-12487162223602060140

i will need to face my fear

of

m+ spam

https://tenor.com/view/stefaknee-gif-3713229004332220502

[delicate perch]

yea logout actually it's over

[meager storm]

yeah i only need 720 crests

[delicate perch]

quick in and out

[lofty pulsar]

im sure this has been asked but would it be better to craft a belt or just use a hero/myth drop.

[dapper wing]

only like 46 12's

not bad

[lofty depot]

depends what ur doing cuz of dawnthread/duskthread

but 3 ilvl diff and not 50/50 stats could be better

[lofty pulsar]

yeah that is what i have been going back and forth with

[lofty depot]

sim it

[proper storm]

have you been able to find out this yet?

finished every quest and achievement can't get it to pop on remix

[teal sphinx]

log back in, do i grab boots/forge trinket or the ring (i want the ring and its the worst dps uppie outta them)

[delicate perch]

boots and forge kinda cracked

but can dinars one soonTM

surely one of them tho

[teal sphinx]

yea boots are hella cracked

buttttt

ill get one them through farmin

[sharp oasis]

Will boomy have better ST damage in midnight u think?

[potent cargo]

meaningless to make a supposition about this

damage profiles are solely based on blizz tuning

but considering boomy been in the pits of mordor for a while... 🙂

[raw fulcrum]

Hi owlybody !
I loot the Voidglass yesterday and i try it with the Diamantine voidcore in place to Astral Antenna but i have the feeling that do less open than Astral and Araz, what do you think about this? And for the Diamantine are you lowering your mana before pull for the passiv or this is a bullshit?

[desert imp]

does anyone know what fucks up my buttons and stuff at Salhdaar Mythic? on some pulls when i am ressed, none of my buttons work

is this some known bug?

[lucid olive]

You're getting MCd when you're in another form

You get stunned for a few seconds before the MC kicks in when you die and you should cancel your current form during those seconds

[desert imp]

so whatever form is before MC, i get out of it?

like it bear go nelf or if boomkin go nelf?

[lucid olive]

yeah basically

[desert imp]

ok thanks Gamz

or like my guild officer said, just dont get MC'ed

[lucid olive]

yeah basically

don't mess up mechanic

I think the bug is more normal when you get MCd in bear though but not sure, I haven't experienced it since prog

[delicate perch]

just kill the boss or

[lucid olive]

is tonight the night i kill saladhaar as balance

[desert imp]

i mess up mostly on 3 images part, sometimes i miss the 3rd one in all chaos

[delicate perch]

are you playing balance

because that sounds kinda wild ngl

[lucid olive]

go to the middle of the room after the last group soak

when images start spawning just go bear and pay attention to the animation of them shooting out

[delicate perch]

feel like you barely need to go bear if you go far enough away you just face any of them and they're all fine

[desert imp]

cool, will try it now. Our second night today on Salhadaar

[crimson helm]

Araz and Antenna are considered and simming BiS with a low miss chance on antenna orbs. The idea is, that with more Crit, your heavy Surges in your Burst from Setbonus (and all other casts of the burst) crit more. So ye, having Voidcore and therefore critting less can def be a reason why your burst feels weaker.
However, sim for yourself with the trinkets and a realistic orb miss chance you have and see what sims best for a prolonged fight.
For me, simming with 20-30% miss chance on Antenna, Voidcore and Voidkris Mythic sim higher (even Forge + Parapodia sim higher) and I frankly enjoy needing to pay less attention to a trinket procc.

The mana aspect of voidcore ... I didnt think about it yet, but couldnt see why being low mana for pull for higher proccchance shouldnt be a good idea.
Its prob not worth recasting regrowth infight to keep urself below 25%, but for pull, give it a try. I will too prob, see how it feels.

[lucid olive]

proccing voidcore trinket when your dryad dies and proccing antenna when your dryad dies is about the same thing tbh

antenna makes you more likely to crit and voidcore increases the pool

[raw fulcrum]

OK i'm gonna try this.
Thx for ur answer my feather b-owls

[humble gorge]

Is there a LFG channel? I want some help farming Tindral's fire feather on normal/heroic amirdrassil lol

no one ever signs up because its not mythic, would be willing to pay gold for your time

[lucid olive]

you should be able to sign for LFR Tindral

also surely you can solo normal/heroic by now?

[humble gorge]

i did the first two bosses on normal, I think smolderon, larry and smolderon won't be doable solo

doesn't become scaled OP for us until 2 expansions later, so maybe in midnight

[humble gorge]

i dont see it

[lucid olive]

theres an NPC in the zone outside that you talk to

and he queues you up

every old raid has an NPC like that for their LFR queues

i assume one has been added for the DF raids as well but not 100% sure

according to wowhead they havent added one yet gg

[humble gorge]

doing mythic weekly is easy because a lot of people still do it for the mount

but normal and heroic, ive never been able to get someone to sign up

[lucid olive]

yeah idk

i did mythic tindral 3-manned with 2 guildies like a month ago

idk why heroic would be impossible

[round field]

you can probably solo it

[naive siren]

hi. just read guides etc. after wanting to return to boomkin after some time with other classes.
on pull we cast first fon and then CA, so the empowered SS after dryad fades is not in the fon dmg amp window.
why is that? why not also ca - ss - ss - fon - ...?

oooh, we cast the 2nd CA earlier?

does that end the dryad window also earlier?

[white sandal]

Casting second CA gives you dryad buff from previous CA right away

[jaunty blaze]

your dryad fades when you press ca again and gives you the empowered surges

so they are in the fon window

[naive siren]

ok thanks. now all makes sense again 😄

[quiet crystal]

Oh yeah, i made the bet that with full gear you can solo inputnameofthirdraiddfhere. I’m p sure I can now

[copper basalt]

any value in starfalling prior to portal on Dimensius?

[round field]

theres portals on dimmy?

[copper basalt]

to get into the fight

[lofty depot]

isnt the flight like 3 seconds

4 seconds?

[copper basalt]

you enter with like 4 seconds i think?

for kinda free

but might be more value just firing it when you land iguess

[lofty depot]

free but costs 45 asp

so real so true

but theres not a value number ull find, those first adds dont matter in the slightest

[wide dawn]

what is the renown now ? for this week

[copper basalt]

padding brother

[lofty depot]

padding for your purple parse or

[lofty depot]

11

i think

[copper basalt]

is fun

[copper basalt]

also just progging so trying to check what feels decent

[lofty depot]

Did u figure out yet u can Sunfire the back ones and it hits all 3 and dimmy with 1 press

[copper basalt]

omg that works!?

[lucid olive]

i just pressed regrowth before taking port

free DR for a few sec on pull

[lofty depot]

it could 👀

[copper basalt]

DR IS FOR HEALERS TO WORRY ABOUT reee

[copper basalt]

This is the type of in depth min-maxing im thinking off

[slim pelican]

Question: Currently progging on Salad Bar mythic and occasionally my mark of the wild will not work for a extended period of time then it works again, anyone else experience this or have a fix? I tried to relog, fully close out bnet and the game, and still come back with it bugged

And then I get stuck not being able to shapeshift as well but jumping of the platform fixes that thankfully

[lofty depot]

go to dronagol and then log out

also stop getting mc'd and or mc'd in bear

[drifting nova]

it'l get fixed next patch for sure

[vital hound]

Also you want that asp for 2x surge after CA

So it's actually beans

Also @lucid olive fix apl

I have 4% haste and it fucking sucks

Just make the funny number lower so I can feel better about myself

[lofty depot]

i starfall surge 😛

[vital hound]

Ew wth

[lucid olive]

lul no

[delicate perch]

american math

[delicate perch]

login fellowship

[craggy sonnet]

wish i could

[delicate perch]

why can't you

[craggy sonnet]

wdym

servers are deadge

[delicate perch]

they've been up for like 15 mins

catch up

[craggy sonnet]

catch up .. servers are down

[delicate perch]

oh they just posted they were up

dog ass company even ripping off blizzards servers

[craggy sonnet]

why are you not logged in

[delicate perch]

it's not even 9am here

no fellowshippin for me for a while

[dense steeple]

remixd grind 🙁

[delicate perch]

what is there left to grind

[dense steeple]

im employed so still weak

[delicate perch]

its been 2 weeks man theres no way you're actually weak

[dense steeple]

id also like to get extra bronze before next phases to be ready

im not even 690 ilvl

[delicate perch]

oh

I retract my statement log in right now

[delicate perch]

[dense steeple]

carry me through 30s

i'll catch up rq

[delicate perch]

@vital hound

[dense steeple]

im not payin

[delicate perch]

if you're legit time poor just slam mythic/maybe heroic and just log out

you'll be actually grinding so much more than you need for such little gains

[loud kettle]

Need to time a +100 key man

[dense steeple]

thats what ive been doing all week

nah just want the +40

[delicate perch]

only +100?

[loud kettle]

Im not a tryhard

Round number

[delicate perch]

200 then..

[dense steeple]

i do have 65 vers tho

also still havent done lorerunners

[frank finch]

what's up guys, playing balance druid for the first time in legion remix

is there a pin on single target rotation?

trying to understand eclipe better

like do you starfire in solar eclipe when it's glowing even tho ou're only against 1 target?

[dense steeple]

dreamgrove.gg

it will tell youeverything you could possibly need to know

that being said you wont be able to really learn anything about the spec in remix

[frank finch]

for sure i understand remix is diff but

i'll check it out thank you!

[delicate perch]

press buttons and be top dam

use demon until you think you do more damage then use call

[frank finch]

hahah i feel you, this is my second char, i don't have fel spike yet but ya just wondering while leveling/ doing heroic world mode if you're meant to hit starfire in lunar eclipe, i'll check the link tho thank you!

[dense steeple]

yeahg sorry theres just a lot of little things to explain and i dont feel like typing al lthat much

so link is good

[delicate perch]

if mobs will live that long you can but generally stuff dies within the 2nd ca at the latest so you just slam convoke and surge/starfall spam

[lofty depot]

idk even in world content i just spam wrath

starfire is cringe

[delicate perch]

ya dots kill mobs there

rip a starfall maybe

[frank finch]

got it maybe it's just my level

getting better tho

[shadow willow]

what's the bug not letting me press certain buttons after dying on salhadaar

[dense steeple]

Rip a /reload

[lofty depot]

go to dorngol and log out

also dont get mc'd and/or get mc'd in bear form

[jade drift]

its over guys

finally

[dense steeple]

CE?

[lofty depot]

hmm

u know thats a eeler trinket?

whos pressin shift 7 to rez

thats crazy

shift 8 pot?

[upper anvil]

I mean maybe they have more mouse with buttons on side

I pot on boomie with shift 5

Mount being shift 1 is crazy tho

Using function keys kinda crazy too. No less f5 and later

[errant flint]

Its going to be harder than on retail to plan cd's n such bc everything dies so fast in raids even in mythic. You wont get to practice a full 5min ST rotation. By all means enjoy it but understand boomy in remix is very just slam any buttons and you do dmg and the thing dies. I went bear afterwhile and happy living through high keys in remix.

[karmic tangle]

What weapon tree yall using on remix?

[round field]

Fel

[delicate perch]

call

[sage axle]

hey

[royal zenith]

sup

[sage axle]

got a question. how can i check how many times someone accidently grabbed an orb with the knockup causing wipes on m dim

me and my friend got a bet. i thought he wiped us 4 times, he says 2, we bet gold. im sure its atleast 3 times, but we dont know how to check

if theres not a way then i guess we cant rly finish this bet

[pallid bay]

you'd just filter for having the excess mass debuff and check how many times he had reverse gravity

[sudden flame]

[sage axle]

okay i got that checked with mistakemate, there was 2 messups there. is there a way to check how he accidently grabbed an orb without realizing it and didnt help which wiped us?

i need 1 more messup on his part to win the bet. if there isnt another mess up, i lose the gold bet

[sudden flame]

[pallid bay]

not in a reasonable way i guess

you can check if he picked up an orb when he shouldnt have (unless he backuped) and then check replay

[jade flume]

Just gotta ask him and read his mind

[royal zenith]

or just gaslight him

easier

[sage axle]

how

[sudden flame]

check debuffs for exess mass over all pulls and and just look where they appear

[livid jay]

guys, mythic dimensius platform 2 running through the slow puddles - how do we do it? Shapeshifting the slow off feels ass, somehow i keep getting slowed again

[jade flume]

Travel form wild charge

U fly through all of it

[jade drift]

I Just saw this now lmao

[jade drift]

I was trying everything after 250 wipes

Every combination of gem cloak, soleahs stats and flasks

Was losing my mind already

[jade drift]

I still dont have antenna

Some of us arent just blessed enough

[lofty depot]

Tragic

[jade drift]

Guess what, im buying it tomorrow

After the tier is over for us, thanks blizz

[red mantle]

gotta go voidcore + kris combo

wym

[lofty depot]

Yea I buy Kris 🙂

[royal zenith]

do we know how many dinars we get etc.

Im not in the loop...

[round field]

1

Maybe more

[royal zenith]

how much does a kris cost

(I bet its 2)

[lofty depot]

Well last time each item cost 3, and first week u got 3

Then each week after u got 1 dinar, so 3 weeks later u got an item

[royal zenith]

yeah but no confirmation we can actually get an item wednesday or?

[round field]

Last time we got one day 1

Then one every 3 weeks

Until 3 total

Each item is 1 token

[royal zenith]

pretty sure some items were more

but who am I

heh

[round field]

No?

[royal zenith]

[misty patrol]

[round field]

Whatever

3 things is 1 item

Just timegate

[royal zenith]

do you approach raiding in a similar fashion

1 death or 10, what does it matter

amirite??

[round field]

Yes

[vale pebble]

u on drugs wallahi

we got 3 week1 last season

it was the same in fated

[royal zenith]

yeahhh but iqnious implied that 1 item = 1 token

[vale pebble]

iqnious is iqnious

[royal zenith]

is true

[vale pebble]

he got 1 item week1

and it was timegated after

he doesnt go in details

[royal zenith]

Ill get my kris wednesday

pogchampu

[jade flume]

Ill get the void of the cores

Hype

[royal zenith]

@jade flume I was checking out logs, randomly

and saw looqp wrecking havoc in Forgeweaver

🤝

[jade flume]

Ye looqp popped off in a boost

Just need homies to forget their keybinds when adds spawn

Dont even have shoes from sh on that guy yet

+120k dps on reset

[royal zenith]

spriest kinda broken for that fight though

pretty insane

[jade flume]

Its the only boss thats fun to play on shadow priest

[wise hare]

@royal zenith afaik you get 3 this reset, each item costs 3 regardless of what it is

and each week after that you get 1 more

so in 4 weeks you can buy the second item

[royal zenith]

yeah, that's how it used to be

the other frogs were confusing me

apart from chicken and you tho

(read; other frog being @round field )

[wise hare]

trusting iqnious smh

[round field]

3 = 1

[royal zenith]

⛔

[round field]

Was i wrong tho

One item day 1

And then 1 every 3 weeks

[royal zenith]

you were wrong

but it don't matter

I got my answer

all is well, the universe is in balance

[tight mist]

being pedantic doesnt make him wrong

[royal zenith]

fair point

but he was actually wrong

(also I'm not being serious, as iqnious is a friend of mine)

[naive siren]

followup question:
are the 2 SSs and convoke enough to hit the Limit?
is there a WA to track dryad-dmg and would you adwise to use such WA?

[round field]

Yes

[eager raft]

deux was wrong

iqni was right

[round field]

That wa bad its useless

[royal zenith]

Wrong

[surreal mantle]

I need so e Support Guys.
My sind says i should use the voidcore trinket with the dagger Set.
But every Guide Said i should use antenna instead. What should I do Here?

[craggy sonnet]

first, should send the actual sim

[sharp oasis]

Will yall be maining balance druid in midnight or is it to early to tell? 🙂

[surreal sorrel]

But in the end stick on chicken

[sharp oasis]

Sad.. Thought ppl here plays balance druid forever nomatter what's meta or not.

[jaunty blaze]

if you think that why ask that question

[sharp oasis]

I've also gotta say that I have never seen a more toxic class discord than Dreamgrove, its insane.

unfortunally. 🙁

[craggy sonnet]

yea sure

[jaunty blaze]

if you say so

[normal pilot]

yo is that a new one

[craggy sonnet]

maybe its the way you come across as well

thats making it insane

[sharp oasis]

How have I come away in a bad way, I asked a simple question. But ppl are ALWAYS semi-toxic, no matter the question.

[normal pilot]

it is new

[sharp oasis]

What's new @normal pilot ?

[surreal sorrel]

With 20-30% less uptime voidcore + kris sims better (depends on stats). I got both Setups and i'm running with Core instead of Antenna.

[surreal mantle]

Thank you. I have antenna on HC and was thinking If get voidcore or antenna with the coins on wednesday

[surreal sorrel]

Is your kris mythic?

[lofty depot]

Some of us do

[surreal sorrel]

Garyeet the Chicken Elder has spoken

[lucid olive]

???

[lofty depot]

??

[lucid olive]

Garym the Famed Traitor of Owlkind

[crude cargo]

feral loggers

[surreal sorrel]

Truuuuueeeee

[lofty depot]

I didn't say I was one

[surreal sorrel]

Mage meta roller

[lofty depot]

I said some of us

[lucid olive]

Then don't say us motherfucker

[lofty depot]

Shut up rat

I played mage out of guild necessity not cuz moonkin was bad

[royal zenith]

why would I play balance druid forever

if it's bad it's bad

[round field]

traitor

pig

[jade flume]

Bamkin always bad

[round field]

stick to boomie in sickness as in health

[royal zenith]

why not both

[surreal sorrel]

Cope every tier that resto and feral are bad for buff spot

[royal zenith]

play a real class during prog

play what you want after

[paper ember]

gg's

[royal zenith]

[surreal sorrel]

[plucky valley]

Any dooming over the pruning?

I know we only have like 5 buttons anyways

[royal zenith]

for us?

hardly to none

[plucky valley]

Tea

[north stag]

We always dooming in wow

[plucky valley]

So the word on the shaman street is that they are down in the dumps

[royal zenith]

yeah, according to theun, the guy that doesnt play the game anymore

[plucky valley]

But that’s neither here nor there

[royal zenith]

who actively wanted less modifiers

[north stag]

Don't ask ferals how they feel

[plucky valley]

On it

[royal zenith]

but balance hardly got anything removed, wasnt much to remove

gained a button

[jade flume]

I mean, shamans got decimated

Hopefully they revert like half of the shit they did

[royal zenith]

think that if they wanted to revert stuff, they might've already done that

but I dunno

maybe there's some cooks in the next build

have they added any ability back in so far?

for any class

[jade flume]

Yeah they will probably be adding shit over next 3 expansions

[royal zenith]

kek

thats true

[jade flume]

And then we get another great pruning

[plucky valley]

Oh that’s what shadowlands taught us about the great cycle

Great stat squish great pruning great dooming

Rinse repeat Ɛ>

[lucid olive]

Shadowlands was the last peak of class design

It's been downhill since

[north stag]

[humble parcel]

I miss moving while starfall was up

[limpid grotto]

Should I be learning feral instead of going into M Dimensius as boomy 🤔

[royal zenith]

should be fine going into dim as boomie

there's at least a few that have killed it

[round field]

we get like

more buttons

[lofty depot]

feral has the same problems boomy does so play what u want

the difference being boomkin is range and is cooler

[limpid grotto]

I thought boomy p3 was unplayable

"unplayable"

[lofty depot]

skill issue

[limpid grotto]

rather unfun I guess

not necessarily, it's just opinion based from what ive heard

I'm going into it for first time tonight so I wouldnt know

[lofty depot]

where have u "heard" this

[limpid grotto]

random vids, judging by the amount of boomies that have also killed it

anyway, that's all

cheers

[dry compass]

Boomy p3 absolutely Giga blasts the damage amp then spends the rest of the phase doing tank dam while scared for your life

Which is fine

[limpid grotto]

okedoke

[dry compass]

It's p1 and p2 that makes it trash for the fight

[lofty depot]

nah i kill playform boss

brrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

[lucid olive]

nah its fine

a lot of your dmg is during your cooldowns and you can do those with only like 3-4 non instant casts

it sucks pressing sunfire when youre running through rings and cant get back into eclipse but the loss isnt that bad

playing what youre comfortable on is going to be a lot better than learning another spec

[limpid grotto]

thanks king

a proper answer rather than a dissection of a sentence

[round field]

very unfun

which is different from unplayable

[lofty depot]

dissecting

[round field]

dissect dn

[lofty depot]

Gonna dissect gams blue parse and see how he knows p3 is hard

[delicate perch]

Log off wow please

[royal zenith]

trueee

[celest rampart]

24 in raid, crazy

[delicate perch]

Yeah that offline group were surely in raid

[proper ice]

Long story short:
Main tank, didnt play seriously all TWW, comes back to mythic raid as first time balance druid. Looking for needed feedback because I don't like those numbers https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/YVBXa9rgt4RvyG7H?fight=29&type=casts&source=64

[exotic perch]

i mean that guy just needs to read the guides

he legit has zero idea how to play wow

this is the dmg burn on that fight

like he is just afk

[royal zenith]

think he's just overwhelmed

[exotic perch]

his cd usage is criminal

[royal zenith]

cause he does know the cyclone tech

[delicate perch]

Kill the boss ❌
PvP your team ✅

[royal zenith]

(it keeps you alive during oath when people get mc'd)

[delicate perch]

So does facing your ghosts

[royal zenith]

not wrong..

[proper ice]

Good feedback, first timing a spec = bad at wow, you've really nailed it

[delicate perch]

Oh boy

[delicate perch]

I get basically hearing you suck isn’t fun but there’s no reason to take anything on the internet that serious, you are on a mythic boss and making common errors that have nothing to do with the spec, reading a quick guide (like the one in the pins) would help a lot

[exotic perch]

yea man the log you linked you didnt use any cds on a 100% dmg burn

like you have a guildie who seems to know what is going on

why not work with that person?

they might be nicer

[lucid olive]

It's been too quiet in here the past week don't scare them away Spy

[proper ice]

I dont care about him telling me that i suck, i want feedback

I know i suck at the spec

[exotic perch]

its spooky season gamz it is scary time

[proper ice]

Thats why i came here

[lucid olive]

The feedback is go read guide

[misty glade]

I think the feedback is that he needs to read a guide

[celest rampart]

have you read the guide?

[exotic perch]

yea you can also use wowanalyzer

[lucid olive]

Read Compendium linked in pins and channel description

[exotic perch]

that one is solid for picking on things if you input a log for it

[proper ice]

I saved for adds on platform because thats what they told us to do so we see p3 more often, he has his own mind

[exotic perch]

not an inherently bad idea

but moonkin cds on platforms when you have a big burn coming up is just bad for the raid

that is not your role

[delicate perch]

Ya that boss would be living

[exotic perch]

let other classes who aoe for free do that style of damage on that fight

[misty glade]

Moonkin have some of the biggest burst. Other classes should use on platform if there's a struggle. Not us.

But, regardless, the compendium is the best place to learn the basics. If he gets the mechanics of the spec down and if still having issues, I'm sure people here can help

[exotic perch]

ok looking again your ele shaman is also trolling i think

his burn damage is quite sad

[proper ice]

Are you just living on the internet to flame random people man

Thats just sad

I wanted help on my rotation during p1 ST

And you are going off random shit

[lucid olive]

This is not an AI chatbot dedicated to helping you play the class

It's a chat room with random strangers

[exotic perch]

ok man you also gotta realize you are asking for help on wipes

if it was a kill then clearly other raiders doing things wouldnt matter as much

[lucid olive]

P1 damage also doesn't really matter to killing the boss

Look at ghosts and don't get MC'd

[misty glade]

Plus there's so much movement. Never dump your AP fully before knowing you may have to move.

[proper ice]

First actual feedback, thank you

[delicate perch]

[exotic perch]

but for real, toss that log into wowanalyzer itll output good tips, and read the dreamgrove guide pinned

that should clear up a majority of issues you might have

then come back when youve tested things like that if things still arent clear

far easier to get help on smaller things rather then such a broad level when we can see major mistakes

[proper ice]

It said not updated for 11.2 so I scrapped it

[delicate perch]

It lied

Go again

[misty glade]

Yeah it should with just fine regardless.

[delicate perch]

Possibly some niche changes but the basics will still apply so it’s worth checking

[exotic perch]

but also i was a little mean at the start cause it is a penultimate mythic boss, was expecting way more, so sorry

[paper ember]

[misty glade]

But Spy is right, the chat here is more for optimizing when there's a good understanding of the spec and rotation. When there are glaring things wrong, instead of taking a very long time explaining everything, most people will refer to the compendium that was created specifically for that reason

[royal zenith]

it's really hard to judge a log if people just drop it here and go "hey how did I do"

[proper ice]

I think I have the basics down tho. I feel like you guys went off the wrong foot because I used cds on platform and that threw off the damage breakdown.
I guess I will just relook the guides again its fine, thank you anyways

[lucid olive]

Both you and the other Moonkin are doing the wrong opener consistently

[delicate perch]

[royal zenith]

It didn't threw off the breakdown, you asked why your numbers were low

and that's one of the reasons

not popping cd's during amped phase

[lucid olive]

You always Force of Nature first and then press CA+Starsurge on the next global

[paper ember]

Thats the problem though. What you feel vs whats actually happening are two different things lol and people here arent going to sugar coat it for you. Especially on a penultimate boss like spy said.

[lucid olive]

Both of you are consistently doing CA first and then Force of Nature after for some reason

But also, the main issue in your P1 is the same thing that's an issue for everyone trying to learn the spec: maintaining good casting uptime

Plan for movement better

[proper ice]

Later pulls I noticed that looking at lorrgs and made a macro, but its like last 10 pulls

[lucid olive]

P1 Nexus King has very scripted movement patterns

You start around middle ring, you bank up AP and spend as you move for first soak

Then you bank up AP and save for blazes + big move

Then when you're doing ghosts you bank up AP and save for 2nd soak

etc etc etc

Every uptime based caster spec is all about maintaining uptime

[lucid olive]

macro for what

you don't macro treants and CA together

thats very stupid

[proper ice]

I made a macro to cast treants CA after global is ready

[delicate perch]

Huh

[lucid olive]

you don't cast those together

you didn't read what I said then

Okay so

[misty glade]

Hmm. Yeah I wouldn't ever macro those things together

[lucid olive]

Wrath-Wrath-Starfire from max range
Moonfire -> (wait for new global) -> Sunfire -> (wait for new global) -> Force of Nature -> (wait for new global) -> CA+Starsurge

[proper ice]

So I need to replace my macro with a CA SS macro

[exotic perch]

you dont need a macro

[misty glade]

No macro

[lucid olive]

You can do that but nobody really does that

[exotic perch]

just mash ca then ss

[misty glade]

^

[lucid olive]

Just have logical keybinds and press both at the same time

[exotic perch]

only macros you would use is to put trinkets onto CA

[lofty depot]

I'm gonna macro

[lucid olive]

If you're pulling a boss like Soul Hunters or any M+ pack you would swap the Starsurge out with Starfall

[misty glade]

I mean, you can maybe macro vigil and CA together?

[lucid olive]

I just macro vigil to everything at this point

100% uptime

[lyric stag]

hi guys, i have 4% master, 9% crit, 37% vers, and 6% haste. i sim my character it says not very much damage. are these stats ok?

[lofty depot]

No

Tarisant stop

[exotic perch]

get outta here filthy mage player

[misty glade]

Yes Tarisant , you are perfect.

[lyric stag]

i am an ele rn...

ty

[lofty depot]

Wait he's a mage player

Oh ele, yeayeya

[exotic perch]

ok ele is fun tho

[lyric stag]

ele in m+ is fun ele in raid is sooo snoozer

[delicate perch]

M+ is not fun

[misty glade]

Tarisant abandoned the chickens?

[delicate perch]

Liar detected

[royal zenith]

(he's a mage in raid)

[lucid olive]

no those stats are so bad I'm afraid your character is bricked

[lyric stag]

retweet that

[lucid olive]

should delete it tbh

[lyric stag]

oh ok!

gamz u were in my dream last night

[exotic perch]

M+ ele felt terrible man

you dont get an ascendance proc

and just cry

[lyric stag]

they're moderately reliable i feel

[lucid olive]

yeah stormbringer ele in keys felt so bad

[exotic perch]

i hate not spending maelstrom at the end of a pack

[lyric stag]

it might be the most fun spec i've ever played in keys

[delicate perch]

Have you guys considered it’s just the keys that feel bad

[lucid olive]

i feel that way about current havoc

[lyric stag]

retweet again

[exotic perch]

also i fucking hate tempest not replacing chain lightning too

feel so janky to play with

[lofty depot]

He hasn't played chicken in years

He's a mage player

[lucid olive]

I timed my first ever 18s this week playing havoc

[delicate perch]

Worlds smartest boomkin actually

[royal zenith]

fotm????

wtf???

[lucid olive]

yes

[exotic perch]

he is prepping for devourer

[lucid olive]

no devourer on alpha is so boring

[exotic perch]

next tier is gonna be 4 devourer 4 aug

[royal zenith]

I dunno about aug mannnn

[exotic perch]

or some dumb shit like that cause evoker looks op again