#balance
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breakdown as in what
m+ to raid
They just need to bring 10 man mythic raid and the game is fixed
thats never happening
or do people want it i believe
2tanks feeds (4/5healers) adn the rest dps
yet a dungeon feeds les healers per tank
and even less dps per tank
i mean most people find playinh dps more fun or better then the other two roles
even if they change the raid amounts
true
most people will be drawn to dps over tanking or healing
its just a matter of how people are lol
it adds to the isuse of too many dps
by halving tanks
even IF tanking was great
and fun
numberds wise there are still not enough tanks
Whenever I spec bear I get carpal tunnel in 2 keys
theres not really a fix for too many dps for keys, the vast majority of the palyer base is dps, you could add more tanks and healer classes/specs tho that would probably add a decent amount
theres only like 6 tanks and healer specs
compared to 26 dps roles lmao
there are ways to fix the transition between dungeon or raid
but again, it'l never be touched
hell even the most unorthodox solution just might be the easiest
6man groups
such as? how so mr kekkers, even if they attempt to fix it, you gotta remember the vast majority will just play dps anyways
6 man groups seems eh
honestly 6 seems even more annoying
2/4/14 for raid filters into 1/1/3 (or 2/2/6) doubled
you cant divide raid comps by dungeon comps
the maths doesnt maths

does raid to key really matter in this regard tho
i mean theres always people that just prefer key or raid, some few prefer boht
some other do it since they need gear for raid
who hurt you kekkers
💀
blizzards inability to do basic maths

if you can feed 100 people a day but have 1000
some arent getting fed
i mean you can ration it and say you fed 1000
feed, can mean just bread, you can easily ration bread to 1000 from 100, but would that be incorrect for your statement
are you doing keys way below your actual rating
which is also a pretty big problem
normally if im doing below my rating like say 6s im normally instant invited
6 below or actual 6s
6-9
ok why
depends, on the druid a few weeks ago i still wanted some pieces of gear from keys, like trinks, currently for my warrior i want idol
sometimes its also just fun
to go into a low key and carry folks with a guildie or just yourself, sometimes bored
I love that feral channel is "hehe kibby", guardian & resto is "let's theorycraft", and every time I look at balance it's just "fuck you"
blocked
hatred breeds strength
balance chat highest gdp highest average bench press best looks
just how it is
Can we pin this?
its in the doc
It's already pinned in the doc
God speed
he also didnt add the one from the weekend
@teal sphinx slacker
quit
find a way to donowall the google doc ez money


Only premium supporters of the dreamgrove.gg get access to the doc
Then I split with vinter 50/50
sounds like he needs it even more then... (for therapy)
Bold of you to think therapy will help
they fixed the bugs with this set right?
wasnt really a bug
but yea, its good now (not as good for us as for some other specs)
yah, sims pretty close to antenna with 10% miss rate with my set
sounds about right
and im like 10th in the list for antenna rip
gotta get better at vaulting
yep, or just wait for dinars
nah dont dinar antenna
wait to see what others take
then get antenna when 7 people dinar it
🧠
big brain
holy fuck those boss nerfs
nuked my boy
killem faster
ye
im a little salty about being bench for dimmy but looking at the comp im like
idk what class i put me in over
so not really a concern, but i wouldnt be stressed if i was
both dps druids on the bench for dimmy
yea that tracks
bench buddies
plenty of boomkins killed dimmy hof 🙂
im gonna be mad if they dont kill it tn tho
just gotta believe
whats crafted ilvls tomorrow
726 prob
my guild brings both of us boomys to every kill because they think boomys always sandbag insanely hard
and they are actually insane
cluu
we jsut need to kidnap a aug evoker to make it look like we are the best dps
lets just say target swapping and damage allocation is a problem in my guild
so taking sub-optimal target swapper just makes all our pain points 5x worse
Yeah that’s how you fix issues
maybe get better target swappers
suboptimal lock players
i mean
little rat fucks
i dont make those decisions
you can save your 2nd charges of surge for 2nd trees and bomb the adds on dimmy
You make the decision to stay though
nah, im gonna look useful and kill boss
;>
ye feel so powerful boss damin!
then i get told im padding by warlocks and eles
Why speak to animals
what in the helly
Pause
wut 727 rofl
@normal pilot
thats curious
but my line of thinking was more
What’s regular myth gear upgrade to? 730?
runed matrix
isnt it usualy 4 ilvls at the end of the tier
tech
ye
that’s big
o tahts hot
yea but isnt it 4 ilvls usualy?
what is?
wait for smart man with pink pfp to comment
gap between myth and crafted
Crafted 3 less than myth no? Checks out
i thought it was +6 ilvls

ok, that is awkward
ye there's always a +4 step
Ya some is 3 one is 4 ilvls in the middle
yea i thought the 4 step was at the end
some stupid rounding for whatever stat scaling they be doing i suppose or idk
nah its like 3/4 or some shit
penske wrote about it
on loot website
or pensek or w/e his name is
how come robot showing 7
oh, its just robot being wrong maybe?
cmon man
why are we talking about this
just depends on how the rounding ends up
this would be the first time it goes 3/4 or 4/3
we rounded up ezpz damoog
could be one table in game says +6 cuz the dev who copy pasted put in rounddown on his excel sheet, and another table says +7 cuz that dev put in roundup
just have to wait until patch launches to see
i love when gastank comes up with how blizzard fucked up
Maybe it’s their way of bringing back titanforging
Maybe you get a +4 upgrade instead 
Ref do something 😟
curious how these seem to follow a sequence of +14 and then you have a lil jump from 142 to 170
I love me some gas lore
im trying to understand how this guy casted almost double the amount of starfires that i casted in this 10 lol and i have no clue
he pressed the button
show ur log and not a details capture
How much haste do you have compared to this guy?
he has 24k i have 14k
well that might do it ye
thats not 100% more casts, but ye its quite a bit
i may have to swap this
i ahve a bit 620/720
smh
dont you heckin tell the guy to uppie a neck the day before track extensioon
kek
yea dont use anything other then wep/trinkets this week
hey arctic
do u get discount on alts from the 720 achieve
you're a bitch
kill it sooner idiot
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/tXWU5kjvGxiJTjoUX6fbHR
does this sim even make sense
whats the problem
also u have the wrong encahnt on
also u dont have primary check
funny
idk what were doing here
tell me what you want from me dad
i just did
it wants me to recraft my weapon to vers mast
no u dont
i literally only have... haste from parapodia and the tier shoulders
what should I be doing here
enabling the left side gem too
i did that
check the primary gem as stated
check 4 color
delete the haste shit on crit/mastery ones
idk u can also just figure all of this out by testing it
i sitting waiting for the sim now lol
pick the gems and what ever the best ones are go back into top gear
just felt weird that the sims are pushing me towards mast vers
i only have about 30% crit
thats a lot
i mean thats fine
the point is that ur sitting really high on crit
it makes sense sim wants vers
diminishing returns and all that
How often do yall shift to bear in M+? Ive had people in my M+ group who don't main boomie telling me to shift, frenzied regen, and shift back, but that seems like a bunch of wasted globals to me unless there's a soak mechanic I can see coming
Bear is most useful for big hits yes, but you just bear when you have to
u do it when u need to
u will learn 1 way or another when u gotta do it
A bit of extra info, they argued with me for an hour that boomie had survival instincts
Perhaps just stop arguing with ppl who cannot use their eyeballs
even tho they wrong about that, they're still correct, at a certain level/key there will be things that if you don't have healer external you will probably need to bear, or should bear for safety
if ur doing 7s and they say that, then nah dw bout it but above a certain point yer it can be good
just for coverage things like the bomb explode stuff on the twins boss in floodgate as an example can be good
That makes sense, and mail boss in streets
or the blasts in dawnbreaker etc
You dont really need to even for mail boss unless like very high keya
just shit that trucks
Barkskin and the self healing cd i cant think of is enough
ye, you might use that for first one
then 2nd if you know you dont have shit then bear frenzied is a great choice
Ye. Just depends on key level and whats happening
but that's where healer comms can come in, or having a weak aura (rip) that tells you when you've got external
Like up to 14 its probably decently fine but 18s you probably wanna bear
i got some WA that tells me any healer external is on me and I know if I've got it I can just sit boomy and crank
We haven't pushed higher than a 12. I use barkskin and renewal fairly liberally. Have pots on me too
most of the time bear is "I have nothing else to press and I will die"
Does bear help mitigate getting 2 hardlight beams on the first big pull of streets?
Or are you just dead?
Depends on key level but you can decently survive 2 beams
With defensives
And pots and hopefully a healer
Thanks for the input yall
Hold up. Beams as in those splitter beam shits on the ground thst goes in a circle right
No, I think its actually bolt
Sams thing as other casts. Like priory fireball and smite
Whatever they cast that is ST and trucks
Bear you can probably tank 3 to 4. Out of bear. 2 for modt part will just kill yoy even with bark
They seem to get the healer and then me. Lol
Most part if you see you're going to get hit by 2 just bear
Being dead is a bigger global loss then bearing lol
Fair point
real druids are night elf and can just meld hyperlight bolt if its gonna be threatening
Any Legion remix "guides" once it starts with which accessories/traits to go sfter ?
no
can someone smarter than me help me figure out how the absolute fudge im supposed to squeeze out 2m more dps? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/krKy4682VTJ3bCP1?type=damage-done&fight=4%2C5&comparesearchmetric=dps
Wheres boomie buff
why 2m more?

start by not being 716 w20 of the patch
start by looking through the guide on dreamgrove. You're doing your CDs wrong
i take that as an insult
jk iam like 718 
this looks awful
not just opener, every CD of the plexus was wrong
after you figure out the CDs, then focus on good uptime in your CD as well
lotta free downtime
wonder how bad lily sims
i can tell you
you could prob delay lily
and use it with convoke
maybe thats better
its 15s dur right
yea
ya
so thats like 0->4->CA 10 and you'd maybe have it for both surges if you time it
other classes nerfed is indirect buff
L mentality
if it wasnt for my pin we would have been nerfed too
gotta close the channel if we actually want buffs
They need to make flap offensive cooldown. You can charge it and then u descend like a meteorite
I dont even know what's worse. The """"TUNING""""
or the plague that are resilient "note" groups
mfs list resi 17 the momment they get it
i mean
if you play m+ in the range where resilient keys are a thing
seek nearest mental hospital
type shit
play 12s bro
more crests
thank you for this visual, makes a lot more sense. ❤️
is 12 resilient already
yea i think so vro
im making it up but affixes are removed at 12
so i might be correct
I only really need boots and neck
i dont think you can dinar a neck
already have crafted neck, so that is even minor
kris makes voicore not dookie
atleast in sims
its margin of error with 0% miss antenna for me
yea I'll prlly buy a voidcore to mess with on dimmy
feel like getting a proc or two on the dimmy amp would go nasty
im legit full gear on evoker
gear this season is crazy easy tbh
my priest is 715 in 2 weeks
i just need to do keys
I did buy boe helm tho for like 800k
and m+ past week1.
with sockey
but no one playing keys
is begging session in ur guild
yea, I did like 30 keys in 2 weeks
but I was atleast having fun playing spriest for first time in abit
gambling
last season gambling
was fun
yea im just gonna send this barrage here for fun
and pray i get a proc
the ones that played that thing know

is jewelry on dinar vendor
big (i dont actually care)
the ring from dimmy is thats about it
Yeah they said cantrip stuff will be
you can see the list in here https://www.wowhead.com/guide/the-war-within/turbo-boost-dinar-event-overview
m+ is only trinkets supposedly
Are there any cantrip stuff this season from m+ anyway
do only casters have the voidcore and weapon thing
2 agi cantrip polearms for feral not available 
or is there a similar thing for melee
O yeah the spell strike thingy
Only casters
its whatever i didnt get the arakara cantrip polearm in season one i wont get it in season 3 either
espicially when i do zero m+
So what are the top 3 items everyone should get, I'm assuming its 2 trinkets and a weapon from raid unless you have them
Voidcore trink weapon and forge I guess
For balance druid i would assume its Araz, Voidglass and either Feather or voidcore. most likely feather as it feels like we need the crit % for our buffed starsurges to actually crit
perhaps sim your character 
where are my buffs!?
what buffs
Feeling blessed have all raid trinkets already, gonna have spare dinars
hey we all have a bad day once
🥀
the gods do not bless your gaming skills
Bombaclart
So wasted 😂
My vault came in clutch
For 2
Will turn it around, promise
Gonna be missing tomorrow and all of next week lockout 😢
Excuses
Damn my guy a solid grey man and getting fed
Must be nice
Im rolling a normal forge trinket
Vault gives to those in need
do you play the game..
my alt is 717
and he has like
infinite crests left
cleared 6 bosses 3 times
did you extend before nexus king
uhhh, yeah. i think holding didnt sim any better. lily is just really poor in comparison
am i interpreting this wrong, since a 2 points node its 40% but during eclipse ur crits just straight dupe 40% dmg? sounds op af
40% of 0 is still 0
The first node is 10% surely
gg just loot forge
Sorry, it's only 1/1
@lofty depot just put the 2 points in but it says 40 as of rn on the wowhead calc
oh mb already been posted
@lofty depot it says 40
Clicked top thingy
Yeah they're all called "ascendant eclipses"
all those are 2 pointers or
Yr
1 point 2 point 1 point
yeah so its 40% 2 pointer
Yeah
Yeyeyeyeye
surely wowhead wouldnt just make up data
They have never

Wow pog
nerf bamkin..
This is like 2nd or 3rd highest dmg on my alpha logs
Smolder does a lot
Makes sense, since all your different damage sources add to it
yea nerf bamkin we're cracked
Yeah it's like ignite the dot just builds
make moons/foe spread it..
Good, fuckem
The bottom apex talent is like 4-5% though usually
But unsure how much the guaranteed crits contribute to Smolder dmg
Yea, soul hunters. We only raid 2 days a week
The bolts by themselves do about as much as Denizens
gg5x
We weren't getting enough prog time thanks to araz
We'll probably get some nerfs and buffs to effects eventually that shuffles our breakdown
Dryad blasting too
Yeah
Dryad still doesn't benefit from any class or spec talents
It doesn't even benefit from the node 2 points below it that increases spender dmg by 8%
Well it says "your Starfall damage"
And the effect of the dryad Starfall is still centered on you even though the visual is centered on the dryad
Clearly not mine

They managed to again not integrate dryad at all
Like legit just does its own thing
(since its just ctrl-c ctrl-v the tier)
intentional
i think they did a bit
isnt the tier set starfall at 800%
on alpha its 300%
idk
its starsurge doesnt say a % either on alpha, just flat value
spell tuning probably messy
is there a way to trigger the upcoming turboboost gear ranks in top gear ahead of them making the full change?
nice ty
But it's gonna be live for NA in a couple of hours. (In case you are EU)
And raidbots will update with that
yah, figured it was but had a few hours in boring work meetings that i wanted to start
Come up with good remix names
Starfall have damage ?
its a cosmic fart
on a scale from 1 to infinity how good is moonkin in legion remix
Remix isn't exactly a comparison tool
Can't wait to play Stellar Drift again! 
Yea surely
remix has the difficulty of weenie hut jr
i want the war within classic tbh
bring back anime power
bring back the content
U would need aberrus week like 2 classic
aberrus was a banger
aberrus was good raid
short prog and chill to reclear
the upgrade system was new and very good
was it tho
So.. First of all, hello everyone, I legit can't understand how to sim for m+, either i'm being incredibly stupid (which is the likely option) or i'm not really understanding how does simming for 1t 5m is good for an overall m+ run
And i'm not entirely sure how to use keystone guru just like you have in the compendium
been struggling for a while, since i'm not entirely sure my damage is decent for they key level i'm currently running (15+).
And I feel like i'm struggling to keep up for some reason, either i'm not doing the best I can rotation wise or my sec. stats are all over the place
best you can do in that case is log the runs and post them here for analysis
Can do that, i'll try to log the next dungo I run and try to get some input on it, thank you !

you know nothing kekkers
It does tell u how to do so, u take the copy link and put it into the header of the expert panel
There's also guides on how to do so
I just paste the string on the custom APL part on raidbots and it should let me sim, thing is, it's not letting me sim since it says "invalid commands", so yeah, probably i'm doing something wrong and can't figure out what, but thank you for the help 😄
Well u don't put it there u put it in the footer
Oh wow, got it, thank you
much love brother
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/mHXC1PtvCu2HCWWdfVgu56
Made a test sim on HoA

tbh, i've done the usual error of simming 5b5m type of sim
so yeah, it might have fcked my overall stuff
Time to optimize this
All those things have nothing to do with 5t5m
Radiant power vs the others is u not clicking the other enchant
I just realized I only have the ST and radiant enchant selected, I thought I still had the mastery one, but alas, I didn't
And with the gems /.enchants u likely sim St and that's what it wants
But in AOE, that changes and u use different rings/neck/gems/enchants
The mastery enchant is likely what u should use for weapon...
I am aware of that, but since the sim gave me that info I went with it..
I'm now trying to optimize my enchants/gems
overall is mast/haste for dung anyway
or so i've been told
Generally
hm looks like back to spec-based sets for now

could jsut be ph and maybe they'll swap to hero sets
hm looks like class reworks were started ~11.1.5-ish
at least before 11.2 stuff
That means they saw the feedback post surely
Also, what indicates that
Just where they started making the changes in the lines or
just spell id
devourer was made before 11.1 even started
so they'd been planning that for a while
idk cba pulling npc spells
Ok, no more bothering 🙂
what are we thinking about boomy in legion remix, boys?
🤷♂️
server up yet or hwat
DAD BUILD
anyone remember???
I think people.think legion remix is something it's not lol
What's new
What is it
legion remix
That is what i thought
people think they can go back and play their favorite version of the class in legion remix
doesnt realize its with TWW class design
like 10 years ago
ya know what, i completely forgot they werent actually changing the spec
feel like a doof
yo are 2 on use trinkets good for m+? araz and signet
they sim the highest

bedge class design
Probably not no
Lily + somethjng
Double passive and chill
when remix
tomorrow 
i played double passive with parapodia and ara kara
simmed higher for a bit
NA is getting it in an hour or so
Balance druid going to one of top meta for farming heroic world tier ?
it will be whatever you enjoy the most
you understood that?
its the legion remix diablo inspired open world content
basically they are making world quests 'hard'
(still very easy)
oh like lotros landscapes?
i dont know what that means
@delicate perch
can you flip the switch and bring up the servers?
please and thank you
nope log off
hey guys.. how come sims telling me vers and crit is my best stat, please can someone see if I'm doing it correctly:
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/nSLzw6PxEYH8zMtfsd7AVi
I only care about m+ really
you're simming keeper with convoke
I fear you do not care about m+
it's a socket week
fek
that's some open world sus talents or somethin
I think I used open world spec ffs
i do
its called Raid ST build
Servers is officlaly UP
based actually
are the belt nerfs alreayd in raiudbots?
There is usually a banner at the top that tells you if the patch stuff is up
thats insane
for me it's just called "whatever the fuck i logged out in"
people who think trinkets are the coolest thing in the world
the trink isnt even good
hm
is there coms if raidbots is working rn with the nerfed version of the belt?
for vault sims
nvm
curious, it says to upgrade trinkets and chest instead of weapon
question: are the sims accurate for DISC belt? mine says to upgrade a myth track belt to 720 before it becomes better.
read two messages up
I should learn to read
Helpful in life for sure
gg go next
did you open the jar soma
beans aye
did you open the jar upside down
have you not heard of the trick where you stick a dull knife under the lid so it gets air
I dont have knives that fit between glass jar and metal seal like that
well no you've fuckin coloured it in soma
My screen shows the logo until I click the photo
Trying to know if bugged or doxxed
Good
Ive never seen a jar do that
is it safe to just switch the belt over since i cannot really sim it yet
is it a new patch bug- my cloak says speak to Hashim to enable your cloak... and ive talked to the guy and nothing..
ye
belt beans
Yeah it looks to be a bug
🙁
Upgraded crafted weapon w/ augment and it is now not giving the correct amount of stats, so beware
what the



smh not upgrading trinkets
Never lucky only hero forge

"only"
have you considered just looting a myth track one?
some of us have a normal one and are happy
some of us have a mythic one and are unhappy
wasted loot then
true
i gotta spend gilded for raid
yea ask robot
robot not good yet
robot pre good
so belt nerf is effective now? no need to sim it and can replace with my mythic Plexis belt? (sim is down, will sim ofcourse later but just checking about the nerf)
yes .. should be worse than a 704 belt even or something like that
thanks
Weapon fixed now btw

they nerfed the belt today right?
Is Diamantine Voidcore worth ? IF i have heroic antenna + araz
its in my vault, and im not tryna take a socket lowkey
I love my flight form being slow as fuck now for steadyflight.... /s
do we only have to go to the barber and thats it?
is close to myth antenna
they'll patch it who cares
do u know how to get it ?
newbie balance druid here. I havent crafted anything. Got a 1h dagger and 2h staff both myth from vault. Which do I take? Should I be taking the 1h dagger and crafting offhand, or just take the staff and be done with weapons? Mainly do M+
its the tazavesh staff, haste mastery
I havent crafted weapon yet in case I got one from vault, but how important is weapon embellishment?
I will never get mythic void dagger
embells are close enough to the point it doesnt really matter
take tazavesh staff
if its myth track
is good
craft belt bracer
never craft
@lucid olive no way you procced a partial alpha stream and didnt say a thing
any?
Gg..
I was gonna go make food but then I got people talking about alpha so I got sidetracked
I'll take it (after finishing this episode of tettles mud wrestling for his opinions with a cat)
hold on .. did growl and mysticalOS come up with basically the same kinda system to communicate certain things with your party/raid?
can i ask remix question here or is there another server/channel for it?
u can
There isn't any server or channel dedicated to it
but depending how specific it is, most probably dont know
And someone will probably answer you if they've played it and know the answer
If they haven't played it and don't know the answer they still might answer you tbf so hope your bullshit radar is good..
(mainly from gamz, cuz hes a bullshit artist)
Don't make fun of my art
is there astral farm for legion remix
remix isnt out yet so no idea 🙂
lmao i am in it right now
yes
and probably gonna lose mage tower for free as well
I want that skin so bad
funny looking fire cat
only acceptable form
or the wod one but that'l never happen
god I hope so
gatekeep stuff more please blizzard
??????
looks welsh to me
feels bad having to explain your joke, damn
i dunno if i'm tripping
i feel like i'm playing the same as last week
but my dps is garbage
anyone else feel like that or am I just losing it
didnt see the nerfs? unlucky
i didnt type it backwards
i typed it normal
and then it sent backwards
hmm hmm
you're not serious right
we don't have an aug lol














