balance

[maiden pasture]

many people

[craggy sonnet]

Probably

[drifting nova]

the actual casual playerbase got obliterated

into dust

[craggy sonnet]

Nobody here would know

[drifting nova]

precisely

[maiden pasture]

theres a few people at my work that play wow

and they are part of the mega casuals

asking for help in general chat to try get shadowlands dungeon mounts and stuff

[craggy sonnet]

Wow exists in bubbles like everything else

[paper ember]

WoW is a paladin confirmed

[craggy sonnet]

I have no clue what the majority of players is doing or not doing. I can guess but that's about it

[drifting nova]

guess

where is the needle

[craggy sonnet]

What.. the bang average?

[drifting nova]

middle of the curve

[craggy sonnet]

Phew.. probably barely scratching m0s maybe dabble into very low keys but mostly heroic, do raid in lfr and maybe zone into normal, do delves and quests and pets and mounts and transmogs

[drifting nova]

half expecting you to say 6/8m

[craggy sonnet]

Uhh.. okay?

I'm not delusional

[drifting nova]

[craggy sonnet]

I also didn't want to paint you in any particular way.
It was a legit question. And you saying you are more identifying as a gamer not so much wow specifically did kinda answer it

Cause dropping out if you don't like an expansion feature set, is probably much easier at that point

[pallid bay]

clankz elitist..

[normal pilot]

clankzist?

[craggy sonnet]

Just your typical clanker

[craggy sonnet]

Where is your alpha access btw?

Tettles either offline or flying around stormwind and gamz too busy watching gta rp

[pallid bay]

clearly not important enough

[craggy sonnet]

Unlucky

Whites in shambles

[royal zenith]

I will get you alpha oi

I did my job

give it a few workdays

[craggy sonnet]

Maybe blizz employee was in chat reading your rant about blizz shills

[lucid olive]

I'm outside the house tonight!!

[craggy sonnet]

What's more important!!!!

[lucid olive]

Going to see some stand up comedian

Ordered tickets back in February!!

[dense steeple]

Nit in english

Cant understand

Not funy

Bad joke

[lucid olive]

Unfortunate

[dense steeple]

[craggy sonnet]

Where was your foresight..

[lucid olive]

Doxxing myself with that picture on god

[craggy sonnet]

Should have known

[dense steeple]

You really did

Won't take rainbolt to find you

[lucid olive]

Got opps coming to drag me home from the venue to stream alpha

[craggy sonnet]

Ah, yes.. gamz living within driving distance of wherever that picture is

I'm onto you

[lucid olive]

[craggy sonnet]

Someone is gonna come to identify your car now

You are done

[lucid olive]

Well you can just search through my thousands of messages in here and see me post picture of it..

[dense steeple]

Your toast now

[lofty depot]

kultur

[lucid olive]

@wicked shuttle has posted a feedback post about Moonkin on the Midnight alpha forum. You can find the post here

[lofty depot]

how does he have feedback

all i saw was him flying around in stormwind

[lucid olive]

Culture factory

[dense steeple]

Did you have dinner at that restaurant in the water

[lucid olive]

No that shits expensive as fuck

[lofty depot]

is he gonna go into fish form to get there?

[lucid olive]

I ate some 4 dollar sandwich from the grocery store

[dense steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/shame-gif-15190014023422760156

[lucid olive]

[dense steeple]

Im having chicken nuggies French fries, and plantains

[maiden pasture]

Ew

No way lil guppy is having grocery store sandwiches

[lucid olive]

[tawny cloud]

Are you from denmark gamz?

[wild dune]

@wicked shuttle ur the goat for this

[round field]

what if we just have ca do it baseline...

[lucid olive]

Norway

[tawny cloud]

Ah just saw the pic 😅

[wild dune]

more thematic to ec

[maiden pasture]

Holy banger idea

[dense steeple]

I just hope we can do more damage than aug next tier

[round field]

dont care ec smells

[drifting nova]

no u

[maiden pasture]

Make the beam from EC mass apply moonfire

Delete stellar flare in it's entirety

GG

[wild dune]

holy

ship it

[cinder flume]

banger

[magic notch]

hello guys is there any news or anything that Balance druid will be good or even buffed in Midnight expansion ?

[royal zenith]

check the pins, loads of content for you to digest

in regards to being buffed or not, irrelevant

the expansion is 5 months away

gameplay is what matters atm

[lofty depot]

nothing is good or bad right now

everything is "changed" and testing gameplay

[cinder flume]

But also, since EC will maybe take Treants anyway, they could just make treants casting moonfire baseline and replace with something else in kotg hero tree.

[lofty depot]

it wont

[magic notch]

cuz i fel like doing 0 dmg as 712 iteam level

[normal pilot]

that's not something you can tell from alpha

or even beta, you'r looking for tuning

and that won't be finalized until the week before launch

[lofty depot]

back in SL where we are kinda going... we didnt moonfire like we do currently

[true viper]

alpha dummy logs if anyones interested https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/aK4RtfCd3g1Byjkh

[lofty depot]

lol he doing the current rotation

[cloud citrus]

he also wearing old 4 set

so its double dipping

he should also be testing in like sotry gally or something because that looks pvp scaled

aswell

[lofty depot]

smh

kb cheating

[true viper]

[thorn valley]

im stated/simmed for kotg st, do i just play kotg aoe spec for soul hunters?

[cinder flume]

no

[paper ember]

Youd put on haste mastery gear and switch to ec

[lofty depot]

go find some necks and rings to swap

[cinder flume]

just equip any neck/ring with haste and call it a day

[lofty depot]

and play ec

[burnt pagoda]

I love the balance rework in Midnight! I can’t wait to play it

[cinder flume]

loved 4sec starfall + mastery rework. hope it's tuned right and it's actually competitive burst aoe on raid fights

[lofty depot]

how do u know u love it if u havent played it

hm

[cinder flume]

fair, i love the idea of not having to dot adds that only live for 5 seconds

[burnt pagoda]

I love the idea of not switching between the eclipses

[lofty depot]

erhm

i got bad news for u

[burnt pagoda]

I don’t like your attitude. This place is too hostile and full of ego. I don’t need that kind of negativity in my life. I’m out of this discord

[round field]

bye

[lofty depot]

thats a crazy proc

[normal pilot]

wait is that new i could've sworn that was old

[lofty depot]

surely old

[normal pilot]

i can't find it

[round field]

wait what is

[normal pilot]

the last new one was a month ago

maybe things'll pick up with alpha

[lofty depot]

@teal sphinx

its ok im helping old man folty

he has trouble pressing his buttons on alpha

[teal sphinx]

thats a good one

[craggy sonnet]

Wait, you actually triggered the guy. He is outta here. This truly read like an old one

[grave raft]

Would you like to meet up in person and say it to my face?

[lofty depot]

its what im best at

unforch

[dapper wing]

How does "smolder" work on alpha right now?
If you extend the dot with another ability does it tick for both languishes, tick for only the newest application, or take the highest damage application but increase the dot duration

[normal pilot]

it's exact same as it works on live

[dapper wing]

I don't actually know how it works on live

[normal pilot]

they just copied paste (most) of it i'm sure they'll prolly rename it

it's an ignite

[dapper wing]

Ah okay

[lofty depot]

doesnt proc off fearl frenzy :/

big sadge

[dapper wing]

[lofty depot]

but is ignite

and procs off of a bunch of abilities now, not jsut wrath/stafire

[dapper wing]

Yeah, was just wondering if there was going to be a way to game a single really high crit then just extend said crit forever

[lofty depot]

technically

[uncut bridge]

how do you do the second pull of db without pulling random casters

the guys fighting people on the boat

it seems like i am always getting bolted down by the random casters on the edge

[dapper wing]

Luck lol. Hope they aren't casters that spawn
Outside of that kill casters if they DO spawn

If you have to sit on the boat an extra 20 seconds to kill casters that spawn it's better than mounting flying and getting one tapped by a bolt as your mid air

Try to not cast Sunfire or Starfire while mobs are near the edges of the boat

[lofty depot]

i mean which casters are u hitting

are u dotting them?

[dapper wing]

Sometimes it's not really up to you.
If your war tank hits tclap or something and hits one on the edge because he was miss positioned you kinda do just have to kill it

[uncut bridge]

i am not dotting them

i see

[paper ember]

Are you sure its a random caster from the edge?

[uncut bridge]

ya

100%

[paper ember]

Hard to tell w/o logs or vods. Either bad tank placement or youre tab targetting them on accident is my guess

[dapper wing]

Sunfire will also hit them if you sunfire too close

starfire also hits if the mobs are too close

If anyone else hits them and you have a starfall rolling it will hit them

[paper ember]

Yeah that would fall under bad tank placement

[lofty depot]

@cursive mirage THE DORESSSSSSSSSSSSS

[cursive mirage]

:)

should've not picked that

but its ok. anchor down

[lofty depot]

anh assert dominance

bitch move to bat it down

[cursive mirage]

also more yards for Diego's heisman campaign

[lofty depot]

its dante moore

and its not even close bud

[cursive mirage]

dores

[lofty depot]

DORESSSSSSSSSSSSS

[deft crown]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/MQW7Jq1C8gjxcpFz?fight=20&type=damage-done&modal=fight-selection&source=18 can i get some tips what am i doing wrong?

[lofty depot]

were dotting all the tangles

kinda beans

[exotic perch]

what if he is british

[lofty depot]

wrong spawn

unforch

[deft crown]

idk sometimes they were struggling with tangles cuz boss dmg and parsing is more important, thought it will help with overall tangle dmg

[lofty depot]

starfall is ok on 3t, but that first tangle likely doesnt live long enough for that to be wroth itthere

1 of those mages is doing things

[maiden pasture]

he kinda cranked the tangles tho

lowkey

but yeah hitting tangles will make ur parse worse

[lofty depot]

but that doesnt change the point

[maiden pasture]

just how this spec works sadly

[lofty depot]

ur playing ethically for ur guild

but it is unoptimal

[exotic perch]

wait why the fuck are frost dks so low

on that lol

[deft crown]

boss dmg > tangles i guess

[lofty depot]

u asked where can u gain

[deft crown]

i meant to write this for the frost dk question

[lofty depot]

learn to press wildcharge

also dash puts u in cat form

[deft crown]

for what do you mean exactly on this fight?

[lofty depot]

well u run out ever 2 soaks

and u literally have 9s down time

[deft crown]

oh okay got you

[lofty depot]

u should be using wildcharge

its off gcd

is good button

[exotic perch]

yea if you play hunter itd be like you never disengaging

[deft crown]

thanks

[simple fox]

New player -- balance still viable due to that nerf earlier in the season? Specifically in higher keys

[craggy sonnet]

Meta? No. Playable? Yes.

[simple fox]

Ah yeah 🙁 Im liking balance more than ele shaman lol.. eff if -- ima still play it haha

[misty glade]

Nerf? Those changes actually still increased EC's damage by like ~1%

[simple fox]

From a meta POV -- the changes nerfed it to fall off meta (at least from what I read and looking at previous metas)

[misty glade]

I'm unsure we were ever meta this season

[simple fox]

previous seasons*

[misty glade]

Got it. We were meta last season due to mushrooms proccing like crazy and the 20% dam increase to starfall. Unfortunately starfall kinda wet noodle at this point

[simple fox]

dang thats unfortunate. Class seems extremely fun =/ Are you able to still be competitive in higher keys/raids? or is it more of.. do enough damage to be valuable and maximize your utility for the group?

[misty glade]

Our prio damage is pretty good. Add swapping we suck

[normal pilot]

utility isn't really a consideration. it still does good damage so you'll be fine

[misty glade]

You can be competitive yes, but we're not meta in either

You'll just need to parse like 95%+ to compete with some classes 60% on some fights 🙃

[lofty depot]

well parsing in dungeons is fake

[lofty depot]

yes u can still be competitive in either. Play better than the peopel in your raid and you will likely be better

[simple fox]

ha nice ty for the insight. I basically just wanted to ensure the class wasn't complete trash to where it wasnt viable ya know

but it sounds like.. it isnt meta, but it isnt bad either, so it

its worth putting time towards and will be fun*

[normal pilot]

it's fine to play if you find it fun

[lofty depot]

well its not completely trash, but the perception is its bad

but depends on what level ur at

[misty glade]

Just beat your raid on the meters and flex on them for losing to a moonkin

[lofty depot]

theres plenty of guilds in hof that run boomkin let alone people outside of it that doesnt matter

[dense steeple]

Nothing is "not viable"

[frigid goblet]

when you play potent enchantments you wait like 4ish minutes to have both charges of CA up again before using them right?

or do you send a charge at 2 mins with convoke?

[lucid olive]

you can send a charge at 2m with convoke and still have 2 CA charges up for your next convoke

[frigid goblet]

tyvm!

[lucid olive]

give and take 20 ish seconds

[lofty depot]

@cursive mirage the dores were so close man

1h so good :/

[cursive mirage]

🙁

[bronze creek]

Any Mega bonkers now that wow is dead ?

[lofty depot]

i didnt buy it, cuz i wont be playing it in a week

[bronze creek]

I’ve played it for two nights and got my 10 bucks worth but I felt the same

[lofty depot]

@vagrant prawn thoughts

[dense steeple]

Nittany lions sound like a reject pokemon name design

[lofty depot]

u saw that on twitter

[dense steeple]

Maybe

I been there a lot lately

[bronze creek]

I was gonna go to the jays game in Toronto

I missed a banger

It was very expensive tho

[lofty depot]

lol i mean what else u gonna do in toronto

[bronze creek]

Go to Pai

Nom nom

UFC tn tho…

[lofty depot]

yea but fsu vs miami is on

[bronze creek]

Big rivalry I presume. In state

[lofty depot]

uhhh there are schools that u hate

and then theres schools like osu, miami, and texas that you hope never succeed

[dense steeple]

I hope osu succeeds

[lofty depot]

no one says that but osu fans

and if ur a fan, i hate u

[dense steeple]

||i don't watch football||

[lofty depot]

oregon vs osu for the natty me thinks

[dense steeple]

osu vs osu you say?

[lofty depot]

osu the funny anime game

[dense steeple]

Gamz right now https://www.instagram.com/reel/DOtXhTKjqWW/?igsh=MXVkYzgyM2NubXVpaQ==

nightelm_

They are sat near nearly greatness #worldofwarcraft #blizzard #azeroth #warcraft #lewiscapaldi

Likes

1297

Instagram

Well, few hours ago I should say

[lofty depot]

but he plays ele

[craggy sonnet]

just like our representative on alpha

small world

[lofty depot]

my representative is kb

[craggy sonnet]

ok, where stream

feral gamer

offline for a month

[lofty depot]

yea wcyd

[potent cargo]

not miami?

[lofty depot]

they dont play anyone

[potent cargo]

cfp votes give me ligma

ik it matters but sometimes its just so cooked

[lofty depot]

indiana giving oregon some good rank beats

but idk... oregon doesnt play michigan or osu

so i guess its close

[dense steeple]

dont worry

[lofty depot]

hopefully when they do the bracket oregon and osu are on opposite sides

[dense steeple]

OSU gonna ride their high into thanksgiving and lose to michigan

[lofty depot]

if osu loses to michigan

lol

[dense steeple]

they will

[potent cargo]

OU have good potential as well

altho their qb fucked his thumb i think

but their schedule is redic

[lofty depot]

QB dead

might beat texas with a back up

but this is one hell of a stretch

https://x.com/yumytv/status/1974671181245710595/photo/1

Growl (@yumytv)

i made this to help us all have a bit more fun while browsing twitter/reddit/twitch chat

X · Oct 5, 2025, 3:01 AM

[potent cargo]

t. have any opinion

[craggy sonnet]

i love my bingos with a free space in the center

[thick badge]

https://tenor.com/view/morgan-freeman-he's-right-you-know-point-up-pointing-true-gif-7408279582884160008

[vagrant prawn]

@lofty depot they need to fire James Franklin immediately he always got by saying that even though he loses the big games and never loses to bad teams. This was terrible. (sorry was bartending tonight just saw this)

[lofty depot]

lol all good

losing to a 0-4 dumpster fire of an UCLA team is tough

there was also like 14 people in a "blue out" game

like lost at home with a sold out crowd

lost away with 14 people in the stands

tragic timeline

[vagrant prawn]

ya they didnt even have enough people to rush the field

[lofty depot]

yea was definately not virigina rushing the field thats for sure

[vagrant prawn]

that was one of the coolest things ive seen in a long time would have been wild if it didnt turn out to be the end of the game though

[lofty depot]

they pull a flag or some shit lol

good luck getting any of those 5k people off th efield

[drifting nova]

what in the clanker sentence

[astral forum]

Do ppl double CA in M+ on Elunes Chosen hero talents? (Using CA again ti clip the end of the first CA)

[craggy sonnet]

Why would you want to clip? But you can double CA for very big first pulls or whatever

[astral forum]

@craggy sonnet I don’t know why ppl would clip it - someone said it to me last night so I’m consulting the experts. If using double CA for big pulls, are you overlapping the CA or not?

[craggy sonnet]

The reason you clip it for kotg does not apply for ec.
So no, overlapping just reduces uptime

[vestal oak]

hey guys - question about openers on elune, is there a difference between;
dot everything then - wrath > wrath > Fury > Celest
vs.
Dot everything then - Fury > Celest

[lofty depot]

U don't clip it. You let the first one expire so u get dreamstate stacks

But u only double incarn packs in higher keys generally

[lofty depot]

Dreamstate stacks

Wasting time

[vestal oak]

I thought as much, so always dot > fury > CA and then use the two dreamstate stacks on starfire then > warrior

[dapper wing]

mhm

If your a night elf

you can also shadowmeld to get 2 more dreamstate stacks

on trash packs

[lofty depot]

If ur doing high enough keys, and double incarning. I save meld for 2nd incarn

[vestal oak]

yeha i think ive been wastin time casting wrath x 2 all this time instead of just sending fury > cv

ca*

[lofty depot]

Less starfires

[dapper wing]

^

And starfire is our damage button

make it make sense

[lofty depot]

Wrath does no dam and u likely don't have sundered firm up

Kinda? Big dam?

[vestal oak]

ty guys

[drifting nova]

whens the important midnight news

[lucid olive]

thursday new alpha build

[drifting nova]

wheres the systems

loot change, m+, hell even pvp

S Y S T E M S

[craggy sonnet]

you can create max level template characters now, right?

[lucid olive]

83 next build i think

[royal zenith]

wonder how many abilities they will remove this time >:)

[lucid olive]

cant buff mushrooms so removing mushrooms

[normal pilot]

they'll just combine all the extra buttons into a single choice node

shroom/treant/moon/foe pick one

[lucid olive]

monka

[craggy sonnet]

well, i saw people testing lv90

[lucid olive]

yeah you can enter the queldanas raid and you're insta lvl 90

and there's dummies there

[craggy sonnet]

preheat did a stream and so did firedup

ah ic

[normal pilot]

ya it's jsut the raid aura

[lucid olive]

they have the 1st boss in raid testable

which they usually don't do

but imagine it's more for addon stuff it's in there really

[craggy sonnet]

yeah i know. wasnt aware there are dummies in that zone

for the boss timeline

[lucid olive]

i leveled a guy to 81 but then i bricked my character so now i gotta go again

[craggy sonnet]

they said so at least

[lucid olive]

been dead in the void since last night..

no unstuck feature on alpha

[craggy sonnet]

gg

[lucid olive]

i tried to place a pillr sideways in a wall to make a jump puzzle room

then game crashed and when i logged back in i was in the void

so i ran until i found an edge just for fun and then died there

[craggy sonnet]

unforch

[craggy sonnet]

you get dreamstate stacks regardless if you clip incarn btw

[lofty depot]

thats curious cuz it doesnt work for the first

never noticed

[pallid bay]

this guy got alpha but i didnt..

[normal pilot]

should've been a content creator

[lucid olive]

dreamstate is consumed by the instant builder you get from ascendant eclipses

gg

[wild dune]

gg

[normal pilot]

good thing you have your /cancelaura dreamstate macro

[lucid olive]

🙁

[lofty depot]

they thought they could get away from the cancelauras

nopeeeeeeeeeeee

[craggy sonnet]

yeah, that was an easy one on my bingo card

[craggy sonnet]

its because the incarn is effectively cancelled and counting as leaving eclipse

[lofty depot]

usually im waiting on foe anyway

no point in clipping

[meager storm]

https://tenor.com/view/glorp-dance-alien-cat-alien-dog-alien-cat-dog-alien-cat-dance-gif-9866962128813526939

[dry compass]

Kinda wild that acendant talents are a key expansion feature and 2/3 of ours are talents removed from the spec tree and slightly tweaked xd

[craggy sonnet]

bolts are cool vfx tho

i take it

[lofty depot]

well the smolder is the cooler old smolder

[normal pilot]

tbf apex taletns are kind of a bolt-on

the key expansion feature is housing

[lofty depot]

and less addons

feature*

[craggy sonnet]

gastank professional doomer atp

[dry compass]

understandable tbh

this is gonna be one of the most divisive expac launches ever I think

and the people who are unhappy with addon changes and class simplification are going to take exactly zero consolation from housing and such

the mostly-casual AOTC only gamers are going to be feasting but the top-end players are understandably wary

[royal zenith]

you'd be crazy to call apex talents a 'key feature' if housing exists

or Devourer

[drifting nova]

are they in the room with us

[dry compass]

https://tenor.com/view/mirror-gurl-rhod-real-housewives-of-dallas-real-housewives-gif-13021364

[dry compass]

blizz called them that so

[drifting nova]

already unsubbed gg

[dry compass]

unlucky this was the kekkers expac

[drifting nova]

it really wasnt

it has no upsides for any type of person

only downsides

[royal zenith]

[drifting nova]

ok but where meaningful things

[dense steeple]

devourer

literalyl the only meaningful change

[drifting nova]

at this point an m+ queue wouldnt even move the needle

[royal zenith]

I dunno, midnight looks fine to me

dunno why everybody wanting to doom so hard

[drifting nova]

something something abusive relationship blizzard

burned again

[dense steeple]

because no one gives a shit about all this shit on top of ripping the bandaid

[royal zenith]

nah you can just log out and play a different game

it's not that deep

[drifting nova]

the xpac isnt I know

it's got mid in the title

[dense steeple]

thats what im doin

[dry compass]

same xd

[royal zenith]

so you're just hating from the sidelines

typical

[dense steeple]

i just started this game like 2 weeks ago

its not terrible

[pallid bay]

[wicked shuttle]

those nodes are so bad lol

[ancient radish]

Question, currently progging mythic dimmy and something is bugging the opener

any1 know what it is?

[round field]

can you be more specific

[ancient radish]

the 4 set is getting used by something

not starsurges

[loud kettle]

Auto attacks

[ancient radish]

wat....

[loud kettle]

Auto attacks

[ancient radish]

omng

[craggy sonnet]

[exotic perch]

you munch procs with autos its hilarious

[round field]

dont ask why that works

[normal pilot]

dev fat fingered a checkbox in wowedit

and/or made a bad copy paste

[dense steeple]

i lost to an enh

im bad 🙁

[lofty depot]

well so is the bm

[dense steeple]

i'm not here to bash a guy

||i think it was his key||

[granite seal]

can anyone recommend a good video that summarizes the midnight boomkin changes?

[lofty depot]

youtube.com "moonkin monthly"

[glass hearth]

(reposting here, since I am going Balance)

I'm a Frost Mage who never has played druid before. If you were me, what would you do if you were me.

Go Bills!!! 🦬🔥

[drifting nova]

what in the weeb

[lofty depot]

uhh frostmage is a lot like balance in the sense youre casting wrath a lot to build asp and spending while moving like having fof

no blink so u need to have asp for movement other wise ur not having fun

vs mage u blink for fun

get used to wildcharging

[dense steeple]

if i was you i would not be swapping to balance

[lofty depot]

smh, soma doesnt know balance gonna be good

[dense steeple]

i dont trust that the balance dev isnt going to tank it into the ground

[lofty depot]

were not a tank, its fine

[ancient radish]

is there a way to stop auto attacking lol

[glass hearth]

i want to see the other side of things, so I can say I know something else besides frost mage lol.

[lofty depot]

dont stand in range of the boss

[dense steeple]

should go devourer dh then

its guaranteed meta

[lofty depot]

take /startattack out of ur macro

[loud kettle]

don't right click to target

[lofty depot]

play arcane 😛

[glass hearth]

is it that good? Like enough to really do it at this point in the season?

[lofty depot]

do u..... play the game

[glass hearth]

hahaha when i have time

[lofty depot]

its what like 70% of the mages play

[glass hearth]

i know that, but i didn't get the hype of it

[dapper wing]

It's damage profile is just too good

[glass hearth]

is it just cus the dps is up on it or is it cus it is ez?

[lofty depot]

it does damage

big hype

[dapper wing]

Also... it's a mage so it's unkillable and has infinite movement

[lofty depot]

idk why u would want to go down the list

[glass hearth]

well anyone want to help me understand arcane then???? lol

[lofty depot]

go to the mage discord?

[dapper wing]

get a weakaura to play the game for oyu

They've got that barrage weakaura lol

[glass hearth]

fair fair, well thanks yall though

[lofty depot]

u can play w.e. u want depending on what ur doing in the world

[granite seal]

Thanks

[dapper wing]

Any content can be cleared by any spec unless your doing genuine rank 1 keys or like top 10 guild raiding

you'll be fine lol

[quaint wave]

Read the pins, thinking about alting balance in midnight, idc about power really, are balance mains optimistic or dooming about how fun it's gunna be.

[dapper wing]

Cautiously optimistic

[round field]

neither

[lofty depot]

well a lot of classes lost either buttons or playstyle per say

we were at a midnight state already

[round field]

spec is pretty much the same

[lofty depot]

so lost nothing

gained our mastery not being stupid dot related
gained our eclipse being 1 button less to get in
gained a defensive

[dapper wing]

They are addressing our ramp time which is pog, dot Mastery and Waning twilight gone

Got some cool new effects

The eclipse bolts and the extra meteors from starfall are cool to look at

[lofty depot]

fm, big effect

[coral shell]

Out of curiosity, for the achivement Gilded of the Ethereal, do we need to have a 720 or 723 in every slots? Do we need to be an average of 720? or not be able to spend any more gilded crest so 724ish I presume?

[quaint wave]

Throughout tww, have both hero specs been playable? Or is one just so down bad its never taken

[quaint wave]

720 avg

[lofty depot]

EC is laregely not played in raid

its generally 1 fight

in general keeper isnt played in m+

low keys is w.e. can play what u want. high keys ec

[quaint wave]

In this metric what is a high key,

[lofty depot]

currently.... 12+

probably change that to 15+ next week

[quaint wave]

Hmm. Unfortunate, is that because of tuning or the way it deals damage, and is that likely to persist in midnight barring some egregious tuning failure?

[lofty depot]

"Unfortunate, is that because of tuning or the way it deals damage" what part

persis in midnight, no clue.... our mastery is changing so it'll likely be less dotting in big pulls

but ec vs keeper will be a sim/feel think

ec currently kidna weird with talents on alpha

[dapper wing]

EC is just consistantly good aoe damage. It's also not beholden to doing damage within a window like kotg is

[quaint wave]

Unfortunate because I like keeper, sorry. I like keeper, and I mostly key. I was asking if it's behind because of tuning or damage profile, and mythenera touched on it, looks like it's damage profile

[dapper wing]

You'll do fine with keeper doing most keys shrug

I'd personally say "high" keys are like 16/17's where stuff starts needing actual damage and timers start getting tighter

[lofty depot]

well damage profile

keeper does less cuz of profile

ec has cdr on its damage buff

and just has it forever usually

That and currently right, Starfire just does giga damage in EC

keeper is more bursty

but does zero damage outside of cds

[dapper wing]

Which is fine if your tank pulls around your cds.... your just not going to find that in pugs

[quaint wave]

Which cd, trees or incarn

[dapper wing]

carn

[quaint wave]

[dapper wing]

For the big dryad splash

The highest lvl KOTG keys are 15's/16's

[lofty depot]

trees is a 24% dam buff right

[dapper wing]

18 gambit

[lofty depot]

but its 45s long

foe is a 8% + w.e. the tier set gives and a 40s or w.e. but gets lowered

so the foe is then like 20-25s

and with packs living longer thru your incarn

the burst of keeper largely doesnt matter

when EC can sustain aoe dam thru like 40s of combat

[lofty depot]

thats curious, cuz i figured it would be streets

but yea

[dapper wing]

Yeah same actually

I was confused it's gambit not streets

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/zbB23tFcdZVYAXMW?fight=1&type=damage-done&source=166

[lofty depot]

uhh

hes playing ec

[quaint wave]

And currently midnight is too up in the air to speculate if these niches will persist?

[round field]

yes

[lofty depot]

?

or thats fake

hmm

the talents dont show foe

[lofty depot]

but the damage show dream burst

hm

[dapper wing]

he's in keeper, I think he may of forgotten?

[dapper wing]

OH

I know what happened

[lofty depot]

hm

[dapper wing]

He talent swapped

[lofty depot]

how he change talents

after first pull

[dapper wing]

probably did first pull on keeper

[lofty depot]

or first area

[dapper wing]

yeah

[lofty depot]

ye

[dapper wing]

I can defo see that first giant pull be keeper for the burst then dip out

Forgot he was in raid talents or something LOL

[lofty depot]

yea he swapped at 3m

[dapper wing]

When he died yeah yeah

[lofty depot]

hes keeper for the first pull actually

swapped to ec after

[quaint wave]

Okay, thanks for the information fellas, seems like at the level I am likely to play balance at it won't matter anyways (current 14s) so that is promising to me.

[dapper wing]

Yeah, you'll play fine

Timers aren't tight enough where you can't play kotg

[lofty depot]

might look sus for people but yea

[dapper wing]

Timers this season outside of like 2 dungeons are very forgiving

[quaint wave]

I mostly play with friends luckily, and if I'm pugging or pushing higher it'll be on bear so I'm not too worried about looking sus

My friend group will likely just be happy to see me off Aug (:

[dapper wing]

yeah no matter how you shit the bed on kotg you'll do more on balance than aug

key aug is down bad

[quaint wave]

Yeah I have played 2 keys with an Aug that wasn't me,

In a 10 and a 13

Tank dam in both

Poor salamanders

[lofty depot]

welll

if ur playing with an aug theres more damage to do

and ec would just be better

[coral shell]

I wonder if it will go to 727 this week

[quaint wave]

I do not think so.

[lofty depot]

oh

[quaint wave]

Re:Ballea, to expand, I think the intent is that during turbo boost most players who kept up will be upgrading their gear for 10crest upgrades, so I do not think it will go to 727

[lofty depot]

the achieve doesnt move

[copper gate]

if im nearing the cap and my starlords stacks are about to fall off + eclipse is about to end should I send 3 star surges to get back to 3 stacks prior to going back into an eclipse

or send one star surge go into eclipse and send the other 2 surges

[drifting nova]

perhaps

[lofty depot]

generally ur starlord shouldnt be ending before eclipse ends

so u send a surge at the end of it then reenter eclipse

[copper gate]

so if I find myself in this situation now and then it just means I've mismanaged something right

[lofty depot]

it happens

either send the surge before starlord ends

then cast into the end so then u can fix starlord

or i just cancel shit ones at the start of eclipse if im sending 3

its not a dps increase, its just a feely-increase

[round field]

always happens

cause funny 12 sec cd

[cloud citrus]

Ca will make your starlord misaligined with your starlord stacks 1 cancelaura as you leave will actually put it back, but generally every CA will misalign it and it doesnt really always matter

[lofty depot]

i cancel when im gonna surge

u dont cancel before that

u lose haste then

[drifting nova]

max tier list get in here

[lofty depot]

TIER LIST SEASON

[dry compass]

Tier list for what

Alpha?

Talk about thin content

[lofty depot]

lol yea about the changes. vibe check

[craggy sonnet]

noob, the macro cancels on convoke and ca proven sim dps increase

[drifting nova]

whens druid

I wanna sleep

[lofty depot]

until thats in the apl

its not a thing i suggest

[craggy sonnet]

you want me to tell gamz to push a cancelaura macro?

[lofty depot]

i figured u did

and he said no

[craggy sonnet]

uhh, i think i showed it. but dont think its worth including myself

[normal pilot]

you can just push a PR to the apl on dreamgrove

nobody actually checks

click click auto merge

[craggy sonnet]

[loud kettle]

Well only like 2 people do anything with the apl anyway

[lucid olive]

are people actually going to play that way

[lofty depot]

some of us

[lucid olive]

to me it just looks like "oh yeah cancelling right here is a minor gain for the machine ha ha"

[craggy sonnet]

i dont want you to include it

[lucid olive]

its not gonna affect anyones sims other than like

"why does my quick sim keep cancelling starlord"

and then it just brings up confusion when you tell them "because its a gain for the clanker to do it"

[craggy sonnet]

it plays fine ingame as well

but again, not advocating to put it in there in the first place

[lofty depot]

lock in

guys why does this dork do funny things

[craggy sonnet]

gamer

[muted berry]

hello, my single target is really suffering. Not sure what i am doing wrong as rota seems pretty simple.

[lofty depot]

post a log

[muted berry]

cool i can post a couple

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/QKh7dFVkWHXvCrwp?fight=last&type=summary

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/QKh7dFVkWHXvCrwp?fight=4&type=damage-done

the last bos sof this dawn

[lofty depot]

wasting dreamstate stacks

8 starfires in cd

[craggy sonnet]

you are cancelling a lot of casts

you are casting 3x wrath a lot

you are wasting dreamstate stacks

[lofty depot]

forgot to woe

only got 7 starfires there

[muted berry]

how many should you get ideally?

do 9 fit or something?

[craggy sonnet]

you regularly woe randomly before dropping out of eclipse

[muted berry]

so do you want to woe only if no dreamstate?

[lofty depot]

sent incarn here

seems sus

[lofty depot]

or 10

[craggy sonnet]

what are these cancels?

[lofty depot]

well yes

but also, u want to use it with ur cds

[muted berry]

that makes sense

[lofty depot]

ur talking instant cast starfires instead of 2s starfires

like 1 is obviously better

[muted berry]

i prob incarned there cause I was just trying to send on cd to get a good baseline for logs

[lofty depot]

u also sent that incarn without a foe

[muted berry]

so we never want to do that then

[lofty depot]

get a good baseline?

sending incarn at the end of packs is generally just not done

[muted berry]

if you get 12 sec of value

is this not better?

then holding

err i guess full duration value

[lofty depot]

thats not how i think about my incarns no

[craggy sonnet]

you have 1 stack recharging generally

[lofty depot]

you have 100s to press that button

[muted berry]

that makes sense

actually

[lofty depot]

im trying to find the most value within that timeframe to get the most damage

[muted berry]

not used to playing a class with 2 charges of main cd haha

[next sedge]

what happens in here

[muted berry]

ok so in general do I want to not send incarn without woe? And do you guys play around 4 set in st at all?

or just kinda send

[lofty depot]

theyre farming

[lofty depot]

uhhh its a good idea to yes

foe is more important

but ur woe should be ready

[muted berry]

kk

thanks for taking a look guys

[craggy sonnet]

actually dreamstate is most important

[muted berry]

appreciat eit

ya how do you waste it?

is it just not sending

im tracking it but

[lofty depot]

by pressing wrath

[craggy sonnet]

you just send incarn after eclipse

without entering the next

[lofty depot]

ur trying to enter eclipse prior to incarn

[muted berry]

kk

oh it used to play like that awhile ago

so you want to enter eclipse before incarn

[lofty depot]

no

[muted berry]

opposite

of that

dont enter

[lofty depot]

correct

[muted berry]

to not wast stack on wrath

[craggy sonnet]

arctic meant thats what you are doing

[muted berry]

got it got it

thank you so much!

I think that will help

[craggy sonnet]

so yeah, stop cancelling casts

try to maximize uptime

EC is a pure uptime build

[muted berry]

ya

kk

[lofty depot]

slow to dot
not using cds
dying
too many cacelled casts
pick 1-4 of those or all and change it

[craggy sonnet]

get your dreamstate stacks for incarn

get your foe before incarn

[muted berry]

kk

[craggy sonnet]

get your woe inside incarn after dreamstate stacks are used

dont overcap ap

hit the shit out of starfire

[muted berry]

and you dont really think about 4 set in st right?

just send

[drifting nova]

nothing, obviously, use ya noggin

[muted berry]

dont try to stack

[next sedge]

whats a noggin how do i use it 🤔

[craggy sonnet]

well, you can hold it a bit in the eclipse before incarn

[muted berry]

right

[drifting nova]

[muted berry]

that makes sense

[craggy sonnet]

but otherwise mostly send

[lofty depot]

u dont think about it really at all

if its gonna tick down before u would normally press foe u press it

but outside of those cringe timings

u send foe on cd

[muted berry]

kk

[iron shuttle]

Goops is up maxium's tierlist

https://www.twitch.tv/maximum

[drifting nova]

@lucid olive listen, need more doomposting in max' chat ok

[iron shuttle]

Niceee Very good for Boomy

[delicate perch]

@vital hound hmmm

[last moth]

is dawn a difficult dungeon for boomie? i feel like im being chunked significantly harder from unavoidable dmg vs other dungeons. just got out of a 14 and my healer and i are in disc chatting about it and wondering why

[delicate perch]

I don't think 14s are high enough to have wild damage swings so no not really, dawn has a bunch of healing checks that you should communicate bark/pot use though

[meager storm]

chat was my theory true

i had to leave so boomy turned good again

[delicate perch]

[lofty depot]

uhh maybe plays better, good is yet to be seen

[lofty depot]

depends if ur pressing bark for fun or

[meager storm]

[lofty depot]

mastery change >

[meager storm]

didnt they try the meteorite thingy on starfall already and removed it cuz it was giga good?

i remember a talent that made starfall stars splash or some sht

[lofty depot]

i dont remember it being "giga" good

but shrug

but yea it was a crashing talent

[meager storm]

it used to be giga good doing more dmg than starfall, nerfed it to oblivion and removed it

[potent cargo]

ya

it was god tier

was the og lunar shrapnel from bfa

didn't make it out of beta in such a broken space tho

[lofty depot]

well yea nerfeddddddddd

then removed

[meager storm]

i mean no one picked that sht after the nerf

i think they made it like 25% chance to cleave or some sht and it just killed it

but W hope u guys have fun

[lofty depot]

big

[potent cargo]

ye straight ass

[warm briar]

With the faster starfall ticks plus the meteorite talent maybe it’ll be good

[lofty depot]

i mean faster tics doesnt cause it to be good

[placid estuary]

is boomkin better on alpha or worse. more fun?

[lofty depot]

fun, i mean it added some complexity

but better or worse cant be known in alpha lol

[craggy sonnet]

not like a lot of people even got to play with it at all

[placid estuary]

does treants now spawn at target or still a ground target

[craggy sonnet]

dont think they did anything to treants

[lofty depot]

idk why it would ever spawn on target

[craggy sonnet]

same treatment as shadow crash

or void tentacle now

[dusk nimbus]

if the tank pulls in more mobs while CA is running, do you dot them instantly or wait till ca has fallen off?

[lofty depot]

generally u continue to cast starfires

dot them later

but the better question would be, could u incarn later

[placid estuary]

they gave that to blizzard and flamestrike on alpha

becuase ground target can be annoying in some areas

[lofty depot]

thats not the same spell lol

its not an aoe damage ability

[placid estuary]

general idea of ground target

sometimes goes on ceiling lamps

[lofty depot]

yea vortex, totems, binding

[placid estuary]

i wish they would just allow it to be a macroable command

like mouse over

[lofty depot]

it is

[placid estuary]

oh what

[lofty depot]

?

#showtooltip
/cast [known:205636,@cursor] Force of Nature;
/cast [known:202425] Warrior of Elune;

[placid estuary]

oh no i meant a macroable at target, like how we have at cursor

[lofty depot]

"like mouseover"

[placid estuary]

yeah macroable like mouse over is

would be very convenient

[maiden pasture]

what do you want to be able to do

@target commands?

they had that for a while but removed it

[craggy sonnet]

they removed it due to pvp, right?

[maiden pasture]

think some pve things aswell

one i remember was door of shadows @target on last boss hals

let u soak all 4 beams at once

[placid estuary]

aww too bad

[true viper]

Someone needs to study the fall off of balance chat

[mighty mica]

to fall you need to rise in the first place

[lofty depot]

well SL was the peak

[potent cargo]

I can pinpoint the exact point

[dry compass]

if only we knew that was peak at the time

shame it came in such a dogshit raid

[normal pilot]

eh most ppl had low hopes

[dry compass]

although i still think double-on use nightfae castle nathria was just as much fun as ravenous sanctum

[normal pilot]

it's been downhill since legion ppl just expecting less and less

[dry compass]

when you hit everything perfectly and procced a full moon convoke into the sludgefist damage amp

[lofty depot]

legion was my favorite 😭

nighthold 😭

[dry compass]

highmaul/BRF underrated

[lofty depot]

wod boomkin is cringe

only people that bring it up are non boomkins and uncs

[dry compass]

it had you actually interacting with eclipse beyond "oh i need to be in eclipse"

so miss me with that

[lofty depot]

yea but i dislike all eclipses

so ur missed, dont worry

[dry compass]

skill expression and the gameplay loop of starsurge pooling was better than anything we've had since

[lofty depot]

wrong

[normal pilot]

legion original ED + IFE was prolly the most technically demanding version

[lofty depot]

^

haste changing ur rotation

[dry compass]

I wouldnt fuckin know cause it was halfway through nighthold before I got IFE

[lofty depot]

just acquire it

[dry compass]

because that expac was roulette dogshit

[lofty depot]

fuggn nob

[normal pilot]

should've rerolled another druid

smh playign a bricked char

[dry compass]

smh bricking my char for two tiers cause I get unlucky on drops

such good expac

[lofty depot]

didnt know the tech for 2 tiers

sounds like a u problem

[dry compass]

the "give up social like to level a new character and hope you hit" tech?

thats how I wanted to spend my freshman/junior year of college alright

in my dorm room grinding new toons xd

[lofty depot]

spent any of it on wow

kek

[wild dune]

clearly didnt want it enough

unforch

[lofty depot]

also, legion leveling was giga easy lol

[dry compass]

and given the chance again I'd play even less wow

and I'll continue to point out everyone who liked that expac were the ones who got their bis legendaries early

[lofty depot]

i didnt get them early

[dry compass]

or were no-lifing it enough to grind new chars to reroll

[wild dune]

i got mine just playing like an absolute degen

[normal pilot]

i did i had perfect legendaries

[dry compass]

both of which are objectively dogshit systems

[lofty depot]

i got prydaz first

[wild dune]

favorite time playing wow of my life.

[normal pilot]

luffa into ife into ed

[wild dune]

yup same, prydaz first on rdru

then ekkowraith

[lofty depot]

go boots 2nd, then rerolled got prydaz first and oi 2nd

lol

[dry compass]

p sure I was prydaz into sephuz into luffa

and then ED?

[wild dune]

wait wtf was the legendary called for druid that buffed all the passives for each spec

[dry compass]

and then IFE just... never came

[lofty depot]

love me ife

bring it back

[lofty depot]

cant remember

[normal pilot]

ekowraith

[wild dune]

oh i had it

[normal pilot]

eko + luffa = easy day 1 mage tower

[wild dune]

yeah i remember seething

[dry compass]

given how much AsP we have nowadays and with 1:30 CA you are NEVER getting it back

you'll be on 1 minute CAs

[lofty depot]

they could lower it

also it would be in place of whirling

not with whirling lol

but 1m ca would be fine

god shit cd

[hollow mist]

🔥

[vital hound]

[potent cargo]

free paper free csh

free the cuh

https://tenor.com/view/free-all-the-gang-members-who-are-incarcerated-free-them-all-free-all-the-gang-members-incarcerated-gang-members-gif-14317382

free kog

free sunshine

[timber raft]

guys do you find it difficult to get in high keys as boomkin?

ive been wanting to push title on my mage but i cant seem to get in anything 16+

so im wondering if boomkin would have any different odds

[dapper wing]

If your having troubles getting into keys on mage, Swapping to any other spec won't help you

Just run your own key

[ionic surge]

Wait csh got cuffed ? NAH

[timber raft]

aight thought so i just figured id ask cuz boomie is my other class

[ionic surge]

you might have better odds as mage honestly, can fit into way more comps

[dapper wing]

Arcane is just a stronger class atm

Brings a better profile and unkillable

[ionic surge]

^

[timber raft]

i just find no one ever accepts me

ive been stuck on 16s for probably a week and a half now

[mighty mica]

no

[ionic surge]

Yea pugging is hell, best chance is to make some friends or basically play your own key until you mental boom

[potent cargo]

irl mb

[pallid bay]

thyme took him out back

[ionic surge]

Smh, what did he do (presumably again)

[ionic surge]

Free my gang

[pallid bay]

thyme just being thyme really..

[ionic surge]

Damn, just like that, bullet in the head in front of witnesses

[lilac citrus]

i wish we would also get legion talents in remix that would be amazing

[sudden flame]

[ionic surge]

Current talents are 1000x more interesting than old legion talents, artifact powers were cool but you had them all anyway

[obsidian jetty]

wasn't the legion tree just the 5 rows of 3 choices

feel like we have almost every talent from that tree, with the exception of the affinities (rip yseras)

[fossil hemlock]

Give me back unnerfed echoing stars

[jade flume]

With current talents u have to copy import string, with old ones screenshot was enough

Thats my experience at least

[obsidian jetty]

I have never copied an import string

[fossil hemlock]

I always put in manually, it forces me to also read the talents and import often breaks

[jade flume]

Ye i aint reading all that ngl

Just import and apply

And blast

[lilac citrus]

true but the way all talents worked was way better stafall moving starfall spam if u had enough mobs

[pallid bay]

class tree has too many talent points

[obsidian jetty]

give me oneth's, pulsar, orbit strike, IFE

https://tenor.com/view/me-atrapaste-es-cine-its-cinema-cinema-esto-es-cine-gif-12869046600151364058

[ionic surge]

Ye

[fossil hemlock]

We have oneth's

[obsidian jetty]

we do not

[jade flume]

Whats oneth and ife

[obsidian jetty]

Oneths was self cast

[fossil hemlock]

Oneth is starweaver

[pallid bay]

delete starweaver

[obsidian jetty]

ife was CDR leggy

[pallid bay]

they just wont make that talent good for w/e reason

no need to keep it

[obsidian jetty]

maybe I'm thinking of the class trinket

[fossil hemlock]

Class trinket was starsurge procs starfall

Automatically

Heroic upgraded had 100% chance

Wait myth

Myth was out at that point

[obsidian jetty]

yea, give me that, with pulsar, with orbit strike, and CDR on CA

spamming orbit lazors

[jade flume]

Isnt current bamkin kinda cool tho

Blasts big burst