balance

[rare hedge]

The more of one stat you have the better the others become, it's just the way it is.

[lofty depot]

hmm

[zinc yacht]

My wrist is crit vers lol

[lofty depot]

its also not the first time its happened

[coral shell]

I know but for M+ I was keeping this small haste lol

[dense steeple]

I died and they killed the boss 😠

[dapper wing]

I'm ngl, my wrists and weapon are mastery haste because I want to feel human with cast times

I know mastery verse/crit would be better, but let me feel human dammit

[dense steeple]

cant imagine having myth track crafted bracers rn tbh

[lofty depot]

u can feel w.e. u want

[digital berry]

Ah yeah those .2 seconds shorter casts are definitely impactful

[dapper wing]

They make me feel better. (I also forgot to buy the missive to change them the first time and just haven't done it yet)

also .2 (it's not it's probably not even .1) would be impactful for cast # over a 10 minute fight

yeah my wrath goes from a staggering long 1.3 seconds to.... 1.3 seconds with the extra 1.4k haste

[lofty depot]

crazy

[craggy sonnet]

are we like actually one of the lucky specs so far in early alpha?

[dapper wing]

Can't really say, a lot of classes are still just missing talents

[craggy sonnet]

anyone knows of a spec thats mostly happy with what they got?

[dapper wing]

The small bit I saw reddit seems happy about warlock and dk

[royal depot]

Ask fire mage

[craggy sonnet]

yeah, unholy seems interesting at least

[uncut roost]

It's the VERY start of alpha, every spec is subject to change numerous times

[craggy sonnet]

you dont say

[uncut roost]

[lofty depot]

define lucky

[lofty depot]

in that case yes

[craggy sonnet]

doesnt mean you cant look at their initial intent

[lofty depot]

YEA BUT FUCK MAGES

FAR TOO LONG HAVE THEY GOTTEN A FREE PASS FOR THEIR ATROCITIES

[craggy sonnet]

arcane seems like its still doing fine

[dapper wing]

They are removing "complexity" from ret paladins

It's too hard to play

[craggy sonnet]

did they give ret funnel?

or is that just weirdly phrased

[royal depot]

Complexity meaning more than 2 buttons

[dapper wing]

Many found it stressful to manage execution sentence

[royal depot]

“Stressful”

[craggy sonnet]

gotta play the game

please no

make it staaaaaawp

[royal depot]

These are people that grew up never getting a no

[dapper wing]

Tbf most of the blue notes of blizzard describe pain points of classes is pretty accurate from what I've seen

for the casuals

Dumbing down / removing complexity / bloat

[royal depot]

Yeah thats fine but there is a limit

[dapper wing]

Just a whole lot of pruning of abilities

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[craggy sonnet]

yeah, i think they have mentioned a lot of "issues" people had with the specs even in more "competitive" circles, class discords n stuff

but they took it quite far

we will ahve to see

game is gonna feel different just due to addons being gone

[royal depot]

It is early after all but we also gotta be critical when it matters

[dapper wing]

Can't really tell how shit will shape out when there are only like 3 and a half people that have access to alpha

[lofty depot]

well otherclasses losing what boomkin never had

so wcyd

[craggy sonnet]

true

im out here kinda happy with what we got

heck, we even got another defensive on top

[dapper wing]

HoTW is a defensive now. Press bearform, Press Hotw, master shapeshifter

[craggy sonnet]

(feral like tankiest dps spec now?)

apart from immunity

[royal depot]

What did they do to hotw?

[craggy sonnet]

it triggers an off spec ability based on your current form

[dapper wing]

30% stamina buff when pressed

then you shapeshift back into boomkin and you maintain the 30% buff

[craggy sonnet]

empwoered wild growth in caster form

emp feral frenzy in cat

emp starfall in owl

30% hp for 20s in bear

and apparently its off gcd as well

[royal depot]

Thats quite cool ngl

[craggy sonnet]

but its like 2-3min cd

[dapper wing]

Yeah we just get a activateable bearform stamina buff

that requires 2 gcds? to get

1?

[craggy sonnet]

1 i think

but not super sure

[royal depot]

Better than no defensive

[dapper wing]

Lost renewel and Nature's Vigil
Buffed HOTW

[craggy sonnet]

also got 3% vers

[dapper wing]

Also 3% verse

yah

I'd say a technical buff to us

right?

[craggy sonnet]

surely

[royal depot]

Deleting NV is criminal

[craggy sonnet]

eh

[dapper wing]

Nature's vigil was placebo anyways

[craggy sonnet]

who cares

like it did something sometimes

[royal depot]

It made me feel like i was helping

[craggy sonnet]

but

can press big wild growth now

[dapper wing]

NV hasn't been the same since the s1 df nerf lol

[craggy sonnet]

helpo

[lofty depot]

its 2m

[dapper wing]

We lost astral smolder

only to gain astral smolder

[lofty depot]

talent says 3m but data dum,p say 2

[craggy sonnet]

just saw it super quickly on tettles vod .. seemed like it changed cd based on form? but its whatever

kinda juiced astral smolder tho

[dapper wing]

Yeah it's a juiced smolder, still smolder tho

[craggy sonnet]

was already thinking maybe actually a bounteous bloom angle

spam the effing s out of surge

during ca

[lofty depot]

well the dump be saying otherwise

[craggy sonnet]

yea aight

not the biggest fan of the random double eclipse

i wanna press trees before proccing it .. grrr

they want me to gamble on it?

[stone ledge]

giga

[craggy sonnet]

am i weird for wanting to keep the dryad favor surges? minus all the stupid shit about this current iteration on live

[dapper wing]

I just wish we had actual like power spikes in damage naturally

[craggy sonnet]

i guess you have them somewhat

start of every eclipse

and ofc start of ca/inc

big boat

[dapper wing]

your first like

3? starsurges are going to be kinda big

[craggy sonnet]

big 20% extra modifier

yeah

but also the bolts are flying

and you then convoke after

or something

[craggy sonnet]

big smolder

or languish

[dapper wing]

Yeah the solar or lunar bolts should be fun

[craggy sonnet]

do be lookin cool

[lofty depot]

no, but thats fun detected

[craggy sonnet]

i guess

[lofty depot]

dryad be doing damage tho

[craggy sonnet]

is it?

[dapper wing]

You think with the nerf to lunar calling we play stellar command in m+ and just have big Foe damage

[craggy sonnet]

prolly not

we dont know how they are gonna balance the base abilities

[dapper wing]

We also don't know the 4th row on elunes chosen

[craggy sonnet]

where have you seen

[dapper wing]

tettles doing the first boss test

was doing like the third most

damage overall

[craggy sonnet]

oh, i saw him popping up wcl for a second while skipping through

take power out of dryad then

let me do the pewpewing

whats the purpose of mushrooms now btw?

very interesting they did not take that away (considering how much they pruned others)

but it just does have no actual purpose now

[craggy sonnet]

still labeled astral smolder

[dapper wing]

Mushrooms might just get a numbers buff

and might be useful in aoe damage again

[craggy sonnet]

oh

i was like what is sylvan beckoning

thats the name of dryad now

[dapper wing]

The dryad dammy

[craggy sonnet]

ok

dropdown for starsurge tho

whats in there

goldrinn?

[dapper wing]

shooting star damage goes dummy actually

[craggy sonnet]

shooting stars is huge

i think they are actually returning power to dots n stuff

imagine not being shit on council/cleave

[wild dune]

make boomie great again

[craggy sonnet]

the new speedy starfall thing for stupid add spawns

we be blasting every boss

[lofty depot]

yes

[craggy sonnet]

dude got lucky with procs then

highrolled into that 3rd place dps

[lofty depot]

were locked in

71k crit

[craggy sonnet]

isnt that like absolutely massive?

i've only seen a few dummy things from other specs

[wild dune]

it is pretty high

[craggy sonnet]

and that seems like a huge number

[wild dune]

from compared to other specs ive seen on dummies

[dense steeple]

just wait til they tune it

we'll be below aug again

[wild dune]

then the only place we can go is up

🙏

[lofty depot]

no leave it

[craggy sonnet]

but just random button with no interaction? idk .. you also have moons for that if you wanted

[dapper wing]

I mean, just a completely passive damage proc

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[craggy sonnet]

oh .. you were just talking about the proc variant?

[dapper wing]

yah

[craggy sonnet]

thats so sad

dang

[dapper wing]

No way we play active button unless astral gen was bad

[craggy sonnet]

yeah, well .. because its just floating in the tree

doing nothing

but like i wouldnt complain to get another semi rotational button

especially for aoe where you are likely gonna be stuck with starfire starfall and foe again

[glossy jungle]

true, they need to remove auto-shrooms and only have the active available

[misty arrow]

any balance druids having an issue where you get spammed in an out of moonkin form?

[normal pilot]

it's prolly the bug with hold to cast from df alpha

log out log in pray

[misty arrow]

cast the form swaps using spellbook and that's seemed to fix

wild times

[hasty karma]

when you killed soulbinder but not yet loom, you were able to get loom loot in your vault. is the same true for soul hunters loot if you kill fract but not yet soul hunters?

[obsidian jetty]

Yea, soulbinder is boss 3, so gives vault for 1 2 3

fract is boss 6, so gives loot from 1-6

[hasty karma]

i wasn't sure since they were calling soul hunters "optional"

thank you for confirming!

[lofty depot]

soul hunters is boss 5 tho

[hasty karma]

praying for boots next vault

[hollow mist]

we love spaghetti code

[haughty moon]

if i just pressed fury of elune in the middle of an eclipse and incarn is ready, do i push incarn immediately after foe to prioritize atmospheric exposure for incarn or do i wait until the eclipse ends so i can get 2 charges of nature's swiftness with the incarn?

[lofty depot]

depends whats going on

how long shits living

but u have 100s to press incarn

u dont "have" to press it

[haughty moon]

middle of big pack say

they'll live the duration either way

[lofty depot]

i generally am not pressing incarn in the middle of a pack regardless, but something would have to be specific like double knight pull in priory or something of that high value nature

also prefer pressing incarn outside of eclipse

[craggy sonnet]

we actually dont really know. i was starting to look into ec aoe apl a few days ago but midnight ifno dropping kinda halted any progress on that

i think having dreamstate is better

[lofty depot]

i think the possibility of getting 1-2 more starfires in cds is very pog

[craggy sonnet]

you also always get atmospheric exposure through sundered firmament regardless

and you should be able to get foe ready inside incarn again

[haughty moon]

so this is what generally ends up happening if i do this. it feels bad bc i though foe is a bad gcd to press inside of incarn

[haughty moon]

yeah this is kinda my thought as well, i'm trying to enter incarn with very little ap so i can just be starfire merchant in incarn

which is why i want the 2 stacks of natures

but not sure about tradeoff for the 6% or 8% damage gain

[lofty depot]

well u always want foe and the boundless burst at the end

but either ur too fast or u fucked a cd somewhere

or didnt hold ur last one

[haughty moon]

i didn't hold last one

[buoyant ridge]

Did any bamkin streamers get alpha I can watch?

[lofty depot]

tettles

[potent cargo]

whos that

[lofty depot]

silly guy, was flying aroudn stormwind mostly

but he got alpha

[buoyant ridge]

[potent cargo]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-dance-cat-cat-meme-glorp-alien-gif-14754648350400602925

[somber path]

the panda brewmaster main that has a panda suit

[broken valve]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/1zpH6mK3vJPNan4h?fight=26&type=damage-done

any help how to improve in general?
i know we are bad at changing targets in general, but i am comparing my self with the other balance druid in the guild on our kill on loomi.
in general we did very similar dmg ( 4.4m vs 4.6m )
but when it comes to infused tangles, he did like 4-5 times more dmg than me

[atomic sequoia]

your CDs on pull are wrong for a start

you shouldnt use the two star surges after your convoke, you want to use your 2nd CA charge immediately after convoke so you still have your treant damage buff for the big starsurges

[young ermine]

Hey guys, I'm seeing my damage drop quite a bit. I wanted some help with the stats. I'm at 12.97% 5580 critical, 43.95% 24055 haste, 20.04% 22611 mastery, and 4268 versatility. What should I remove and add? Let's go with the Bead and Araz Parapodia. I'm looking to improve my damage in Mythic Plus.

[round field]

Ur stats arent the problem your hands are

[broken valve]

my plan was: full single target talents - on tangles, i would focus only on the outter tangle. dot it ( both dots) and then single target it with wraths and starsurges.

changing targets feels so odd...... on one hand, it feels like if i dont contribute, we might failed the dps check, but if i contribute, by the time i start doing relevant dmg, mobs are pretty much dead.

for tangles specifically, should i dot both tangles with both dots and use aoe?
or is it better to focus the outter one only and go ST?

[broken valve]

EVEN IF THAT MEANS (caps sorry ) that i would waste 3-4 seconds of the first CA?

[atomic sequoia]

yes

[broken valve]

i see, ty

[atomic sequoia]

its in the compendium

[broken valve]

yea, true!

any advises/tips about target tabbing when my guild needs me too?

[round field]

If ur guild needs you do switch targets do it

[broken valve]

i mean, ofc, no doubt!

i am just looking for tips on how to improve on that.

for example , on tangles, the issue is that i am very limited on time. they die in like ~8 seconds.
should i invest 4 GCDs to dot both orbs, and go aoe?
or spare my time from dotting both of them and go ST on 1 of them?

[wide dawn]

Just go to different guild 😂

[broken valve]

xD

[round field]

Hit the one that dies slower

[wide dawn]

Just focus boss if they already dies fast if not focus the further one

[broken valve]

idealy i would focus boss, but its always such a close call, that going full on boss mighht actually wipe us :S

hopefully in 2-3 more vaults , my guildies will have enough dmg to handle them without me xD

[wide dawn]

Ele shammy can solo them

[wide dawn]

Just lust on pull and phase faster

[broken valve]

i mean... that doesnt changing anything on tangles 0.o
maybe first set? if they spawn while we still have bl, but we will still have the same issue for the rest of the sets 😄

[wide dawn]

No it does you will play 1 less set too

Maybe 2 less set too if you got the damage

If you are having problems with tangles its best to lust pull to reach boss 50% and get rid of that mechanic

[broken valve]

nah, its ok. we handle them. no one dies to them. its just that i am still required to focus on them, and it kinda sucks as a druid 😄 thats all. just came here looking for tips.
mostly was wondering if i should choose to go aoe on tangles or ST one of them.
but yea, u got me covered, both u and 7day timeout 😄
thanks ❤️

[round field]

Next week u get 3% dmg buff aswell

[jade flume]

And turbo boooosto

[tawny cloud]

Hey do you guys have two sets of gear? for raid and for M+? or do you just run along with the raid gear?

[delicate perch]

you just swap rings neck and trinkets

maybe belt or something

[tawny cloud]

thanks 🙂

[jade flume]

Yeah u kinda want to get some haste for m+

[dusty bluff]

Have there been any streamers that have put out alpha content talking about the changes?

[round field]

and then u forget to unequip it

[frozen solar]

you 'face' the target they want you to swap and hope they arent looking at the direction of wraths (joke aside dot it up and swap)

[round field]

@jade flume is this too much haste for keeper of the grove balance druid raid in mono scenario?

[jade flume]

Its above 0 so its too much...

[round field]

i think its too much

...

haste ring + haste cloak

[broken valve]

rofl, low key i though of it xD

are logic gate alpha and crafted rings the only decent option for crit rings?
or are they not worth replacing Hot and omega ring at all?

or i guess "sim it" ? xD

[obsidian jetty]

there's 2 mast/vers rings from M+ and boe ring can have any stats

[broken valve]

ok, thanks! ❤️

[slate spire]

Hi guys, new here, i have issues with raidbot, can't sim dungeon slice. How do you sim your boomy for mm+ content ? Thx !

[lucid olive]

Read FAQ in Compendium

Dungeon slice was never supported for Balance so they disabled the button so people would stop using it

[slate spire]

Yes i did, but i don't understand 🫣

Just simulate on guru

But what am in suppose to do with the simC string ?

[sudden flame]

why is it not supported

[delicate perch]

it's a bozo sim style

[jade flume]

True

And real

[sudden flame]

but like why is it not supported

[jade flume]

Because simming dungeons is cringe...

(idk ask oi or gamz)

[sudden flame]

i did

[pallid bay]

you didnt

it never was a relevant fight style for us

barely that mdt sim is supported tbh

unless updated dslice is

  raid_events+=/adds,name=Boss,count=1,cooldown=500,duration=135,type=add_boss,duration_stddev=1
  raid_events+=/adds,name=SmallAdd,count=5,count_range=1,first=140,cooldown=45,duration=18,duration_stddev=2
  raid_events+=/adds,name=BigAdd,count=2,count_range=1,first=160,cooldown=50,duration=30,duration_stddev=2```

adds that live 18 seconds wont produce any relevant results

[toxic scarab]

Self assign to the pylon opposite of where you open tangles so you can argue you cant reach them

[toxic scarab]

[broken valve]

ahahahaha xD i just love how every one is just giving me tips on how to avoind target changing xD

[jade flume]

That is the way

[sudden flame]

if you think about it if you focus the boss enough to where you skip a tangle set then technically you solo killed 2 tangles, thoughts?

[broken valve]

xD

[placid olive]

He guys, where can I find the alpha logs?

[jade flume]

Looqd on warcraftlogs buddy

(not actually tho idk)

[drifting nova]

what guild you in?

[placid olive]

Lol alright Tyty

[broken valve]

am i tripping? why does going into moonkin form reduce my haste by 8% and incease mastery by 3? 0.o

[hollow mist]

lycaras teachings

[jade flume]

Lycaras teachings i assume

[jade flume]

The next step

[broken valve]

ohhhhh yea... righht...

[sudden flame]

and before you ask 3% is the correct value and its not bugged

[drifting nova]

met someone from your guild last week, saw your name

he was absolute dog

so..send better

[hollow mist]

[jade flume]

Lmaoo

[drifting nova]

actual pinnacle I know better energy

[drifting nova]

and by extension your gl

[jade flume]

What did he do even

[drifting nova]

did fuck all opening dam

then bricked the key

boosted ape

legit

a warning to fotmers

[jade flume]

[drifting nova]

idk how you do no dam as ele

just spam chain lightning

you get 80% of the way there

[jade flume]

Hes just a social, no clue who that guy is

Tbh ele is not that straightforward

[drifting nova]

infact you replied to it

yes, yes it is

[jade flume]

Its not difficult but you gotta know what the prio is and how to play the build

[lucid olive]

Kekkers ele arc to prove em wrong?

[drifting nova]

to do serviceable damage it is

my sham is like 620

and averages more than that social

I do my weekly 2s

[grave raft]

https://tenor.com/view/neilde-grasse-tyson-okay-we-got-a-badass-oh-my-oh-no-gif-6121948

[drifting nova]

and I dont even know what 2 of my buttons do

[jade flume]

I can join ur key on looqsham to save the next step image next time

[obsidian jetty]

idk about aoe, but ST ele is confusing at first glance. Took me a bit to figure out, but once you get it down it's more of a combo spec

I have no idea how hard or simple the aoe shit is tho

[jade flume]

Its not difficult, you just ignore like half of your buttons though

[drifting nova]

even an average ele shouldve done more than he did

[jade flume]

If you dont know they arent worth pressing u will do a lot less dam

[drifting nova]

so he is below average

which is impressive

dont ask me how ele blast/prim wave work

chain lightning does too much of the carrying

to atleast be an average ele

[jade flume]

Man i actually pugged a 12 ara on mage yesterday

Wiped us on last boss

[drifting nova]

gotten to the point where I'm stuck with clowns

as I cba going past 10s

[jade flume]

We did time it still though

Didnt realise we didnt pull the fliers that fly through the boss platform tbh

Do people actually skip those these days

[drifting nova]

massive 81ilvl upgrade in the mail on sham tho

profit

[lofty depot]

U either need the flyers or to pull the other side after boss

[dense steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/crush-diary-october3rd-mean-girls-lindsay-lohan-gif-9906172

[toxic scarab]

[void ocean]

do we have anyone with alpha access who can put together a test video of the new doomie? 👀

[pallid bay]

tettles

but all he does is discuss addons and spec complexity

[jade flume]

Doomie

[young shuttle]

has anyone a explaination for me why the sim is forcing me on crit? i would lose much haste 😮
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3ZSEdCmR1SvHvba17rw9Fq

[void ocean]

[round field]

haste bad

[young shuttle]

true... my brain mixed the elune stat prio with Keeper ^^'

[open harbor]

do we have a way to sim DISC changes for next week?

[lofty depot]

ptr=1 probably

[vagrant cove]

Go to raidbots, select top gear, scroll all the way down to "Custom APL and SimC Options", make sure to enable "SimC Expert Mode" and then in the Header section put ptr=1

[finite willow]

I assume M Ritual Forge is better then H Lilly for M+?

[round field]

Maybe

[open harbor]

tyvm!

[vagrant cove]

npnp

[deft crown]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/vEniLk1yw8514bYYyD3VzF is this correct, that it wants me to replace hc antenna?

[young shuttle]

does this ptr=1 thing work for every class? if yes some classes dont change the belt xD

[round field]

sure

[deft crown]

ye i mean sims propably knows what it is doing was just surprised cuz every is like antenna for life

[round field]

voidcore and antenna are even for my char

[jade flume]

Voidcore with weapon is very stronk

And u are simming 20% miss

[round field]

oops

[deft crown]

yeah i read it here better sim 20% miss chance cuz its rng if u can pick the balls while u doing mechanics in raid

[drifting nova]

doesnt know the tech of running away from them to get them for the pump phase smh

[round field]

ur pig

kekkers

you dont know the tech of growing a brain

[jade flume]

Yeah that is not wrong

Depends on the encounter and how greedy you play though

But i dont have antenna so idk if its likely to have 0% on anything

[lofty depot]

It's a disc belt being implemented in raidbots thing, not a class thing

So yes it works regardless

[sick laurel]

you have writhing on ur bracers instead of dusk or dawn

[drifting nova]

tech this

[lofty depot]

Also using haste belt proc

[round field]

nice lfr log

you pig

no one cares

[jade flume]

Its mythic or

[drifting nova]

normal ackshully

[jade flume]

Ggs

[round field]

ye bro kekkers logging 97 on mythic dimensius

sure

[jade flume]

I believe in him

[drifting nova]

not even done heroic yet

[deft crown]

ye thats a good call, picked up the weapon from the vault, forgot to recraft it

[young shuttle]

I know that. I just wasn’t sure what exactly is behind ptr=1. It could have been that the number meant something class-specific. 🙂

[lofty depot]

No, it's just turning on ptr

[young shuttle]

yeah i know that now ^^

[uneven idol]

Hello guys, since raidbots doesnt support dungeon slice, what are u doing to sim your stuff ? (for M+, i dont raid)

[lucid olive]

Read FAQ in Compendium linked in pins and channel description

[uneven idol]

thx alot

[red mantle]

RIP WAs

[lofty depot]

MOONKIN MONTHLY LOCK IN

[covert coyote]

shut down the discord until they bring weakuras back

its the only way

[drifting nova]

we'l have weakauras at home

[covert coyote]

blizzard will make in-game alternatives that are equal or better, just like the cooldown manager that the majority of the community switched over to

[lofty depot]

"better" is cope

[covert coyote]

imagine weakauras except instead of all those weird boxes you can put cringe custom code into, there's 5-10 easily digestible boxes you can check to customize your experience

[lofty depot]

yea and then when blizzard udpates game, and shit bricks and doesnt work for hours and hours u can blame them instantly

yeayeayeayeayea

[viral hawk]

How can we trace our trinket or tier buffs without weakaura? I saw only skills can be traceable in alpha

[lofty depot]

well teh dots were only tracked on frames aswell

and not like the desaturation and saturdated ones u currently use

theres not like glows when it pandemics

u can make a ding sound

but assuming they will iterate on it, but alpha is alpha

[drifting nova]

holy pass the puff

[drifting nova]

cant believe you just appled weakauras

[covert coyote]

weakauras might be gone but look on the bright side, wow is now more self-contained which means WoW can release to the console market which is fantastic news for the shareholders

[leaden birch]

thank god !

[drifting nova]

cant help but think console wow

[round field]

yay shareholders

[drifting nova]

is on a similar level to diablo immortal

[round field]

i hope

they atleast let addons

change the shitty cd manager and plates visually

[drifting nova]

cd manager?

[round field]

yes

cd manager

[drifting nova]

was ist das

[round field]

the thing ur using instead of weakauras

[carmine moss]

you guys dont have phones?

[round field]

cause they got nuked

[drifting nova]

oh doesnt exist now?

[carmine moss]

cd manager revamp releases in 4 days

[drifting nova]

revamp of hat

[round field]

yes it does

(its shit)

[drifting nova]

THATS WHAT IM ASKING

what is it

[round field]

its just

built in weakauras

to track ur spells

but less customisable

and uglier

[drifting nova]

like ferrari selling a trike

I also cant wait for the pruning

it went well last time

🙂

[carmine moss]

calling cooldown manager built in weakauras is like how both canoes and cruise ships are boats

[drifting nova]

and virtually everything online made from someone (generally unpaid) who wants to

tends to be better than the paid version

maybe blizzard thinks there are only a handful of weakauras

[craggy sonnet]

Yes, surely you know better than them

[drifting nova]

na you're right, they've never bitten off more than they could chew

still waiting for my flying machines from wrath btw

[celest pine]

Hello everyone, I have a question. What would you consider an acceptable versatility cap for Mythic+? When I run a sim, it suggests a build where I only end up with around 3% versatility (without using MOW). Considering that I’m currently pushing +18 keys, what would you recommend?

[agile frigate]

how come the single target dot boosts the dmg of aoe gen and the aoe dot boosts the single target gen? 🤔

[lofty depot]

We don't stack vers in keys

[lofty depot]

Because we live in a society

[woven flint]

where honor is nothing but a distant memory ?

[lofty depot]

Well 1. It's honor. And 2. They have none

[woven flint]

ty for the english lesson much appreciated

actually had no idea it was spelled like that

[lofty depot]

Honour... Colour... Fuggn brit

[agile frigate]

[woven flint]

am dutch guy currently residing in south america think iget a pass 🤣

[normal pilot]

it's english you can just make shit up

[lofty depot]

Lo siento

[gaunt kernel]

Is there a wa/plster scrips there make target healthbar Swap color if moonfire and sunfire is active?

[round field]

yes

should be in dreamgrove

[lofty depot]

Don't use it cuz it's going away in 4 months

Get better eyes >

[round field]

[gaunt kernel]

There Will come one for every season I hope

Is there a tracker there see how many you got dots on out of all mobs in combat?

[lofty phoenix]

Greetings, I will need to do some offspec dps, typically im Resto Druid. I was wondering if Hekili was any good our close to correct in reguards to boomkie spell priority? Would like to do a decent job when I need to be a offspec DPS. Any tips? Watching alot of videos atm and was just curious if Hekili isnt complate trash. It has to be better then one button rotation right?

[lofty depot]

Should go read the wowhead changes about addons

Cuz uhhh, it's not

[lofty depot]

Hekili is likely better than obr, but learn to play it a little

What's the point in "playing a game" that's played for u

Hekili also doa in 4 months so.... Again learn to play class >

[lofty phoenix]

I agree totally, just got asked last min and didnt want to be a complete carry. That is for sure the goal, I just dont have any reps on Boomkin you know.

[lofty depot]

Most of it is, keep dots up, get into eclipse, build asp, spend asp in eclipse repeat

U can watch a video in the compendium on CD related stuff

[celest pine]

Good afternoon, what simulation setup should I use for my druid in Mythic+ since the “Dungeon Slice” option doesn’t work?

[normal pilot]

check faq in compendium in pins

[lofty phoenix]

Alright sounds good, going to read through the compendium on Dreamgrove and try it without using Hekli at all.

Any tips for M Forgeweaver as Boomkin?

[lofty depot]

Uhh, dodge the stuff, can Sunfire the orbs. If u want. Most st boss

Starfall if u feel like standing in range of the echo

[lofty phoenix]

Gotcha gothca I should be able to dot all pillars as well im thinking

which should be more resouce gen I beleive

[lofty depot]

If u stand on the center area yea

[fast parcel]

Intermission you can just starfall all 3 and hope raid doesn’t murder one fast

chill with the Spriest in middle and dodge lines

[lofty phoenix]

Alright alright, hell of a boss to wet my teeth on eh lol

[fast parcel]

Are you also doing knockbacks for adds?

[lofty phoenix]

Na, well I shouldnt be unless one gets missed. The team didnt have me doing it as resto and I dont think they are looking to change the note or the order as we had it down

[tardy hare]

any idea why I cannot bind alt+r keybind? I've used it before but suddenly stopped working. Don't have Nvidia overlay

alt+anything else works and the r works too

[storm python]

will next expansion have a dps meter like details?

[round field]

yes

their inbuilt dps meter

[agile frigate]

we dont apply dots in midnight anymore?

[lofty depot]

"like details" who knows

[lofty depot]

That's not what I said

"like details" unlikely on first iteration

[storm python]

what

[lofty depot]

?

[agile frigate]

oh you meant plater

i see

[lofty depot]

The first wow DPS meter will be half baked probably

The functionality of details is far greater than what u'll get

[snow elm]

Everything will be half baked

It’s gonna be like government vs free market

We all know how fast and reactive blizz will be XD

Any issues with their ui will be partially fixed everything major patch only

Maybe even wait for next expac

[lofty depot]

Pretty much this

The worst thing you can hear from your government is "we're here to help"

[midnight bough]

Omg

[lofty depot]

Ur late to the pitchforking

[snow elm]

Blizz knows their own ui Addon versions can’t compete so they are essentially eliminating all competition

If their products were any good such as cd manager or whatever people would have already switched to it

Same with details they could release their own version right now and let people decide which is better

[midnight bough]

I just opened it up. I have no faith their in house solution will be as good or better then wa now.. at least not for like years

[snow elm]

But they know their shit stinks so they are forcing everyone to use theirs

[midnight bough]

Disgusting

[snow elm]

Their version will be the best but with the caveat that it’s the only one so of course it’s #1

https://tenor.com/view/bird-screaming-shouting-parrot-gif-14236902

[midnight bough]

Well maybe fellowship will be a good replacement. M+ without the BS

[snow elm]

I’m not saying I won’t play wow because I’ve played ff14 and a lot of Korean mmos and I’ve only used base ui in those

But modding and customization is a big part of the attraction of modern wow

[strange edge]

Fellowship is peak, but it's fairly stripped down comparatively

[merry ibex]

holy swolekin batman wtf

[somber path]

it might come with or without ears to

[merry ibex]

kinda sick ngl

i hate the fat moonkin

so this kinda goes hard

[somber path]

love the fat chicken

especially when its on fire

this is good though

[merry ibex]

i just really hate how it walks

it's so bad

[somber path]

well yeah neo boomy perma wedgie

sim prob that upright orcs have cursed running

[lucid olive]

shame they didnt make a version of this on fire

[somber path]

true

[exotic perch]

worst part of that new mk form

is that it uses the zandalari skeleton

so its casting animation are ass

[obsidian girder]

[placid olive]

Is there a random boomie form option? So that Everytime you shift into moonkin form it’s like random colors and shit?

[short comet]

question simming wise, maybe someone knows it better, if we have antenna how do we wanna sim it? like at which % because having a 0% miss chance seems wrong, what miss chance should i put into the sim which sounds realistic?

[lofty depot]

Just don't miss

20% is fine

[serene flame]

why is my moonkin obese still

[drifting nova]

art imitates life

[serene flame]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-crying-meme-doggo-crys-megan-soo-crying-dog-gif-5276199764143986284

[short comet]

ah ok, thx for the answer

[mystic sage]

anyone talking about dream of cenarius over natures vigil in mop

[exotic perch]

yea there is a chameleon glyph

[exotic perch]

this is for retail not classic

[mystic sage]

i see

sorry

[exotic perch]

there is a classic channel tho

up under general

[lucid olive]

sup

[digital berry]

what competition bro, blizz neither gets nor loses money depending on which UI people use

[serene flame]

❤️

[drifting nova]

ego

[dense steeple]

Its actuallyto put the addon devs out if a job so they can be like haha xd I need more devs please submit resumes

And then all the out of a job addon devs will apply and then get hired and bullied and taught to steal breastmilk

Next thing you know the guy who made DBM is centered in a new blizzard scandal

And then blizzard will be like "wow that was a mistake were gonna let these guys go back to deving our game for free haha"

And then we get WAs and bigwigs/dbm back in the final worldsoul xpac

[drifting nova]

blizzard walking something back?

well I never

the grass is not always greener, but for blizz thats a never greener

[formal crest]

this shit is so ugly

[maiden pasture]

nah its fire

[jovial comet]

think about it. they're removing addons because they're preparing wow for console

[rough otter]

a good cook

[lucid olive]

LOCKED IN

[craggy sonnet]

HOLY

actual boomie content from alpha

(if servers are ever up)

[lucid olive]

real

[craggy sonnet]

bing chilling in your house til midnight drops

[lofty depot]

gamz the begger

not live?

whats the point

[dapper wing]

[lucid olive]

yeah im watching gta rp on the side

[lofty depot]

learn how to not play sound into stream

[scarlet jungle]

I cant find any boomie alpha discussion, whats the scuttlebutt on new eclipse

[lucid olive]

moonkin monthly up tomorrow on Tettles youtube channel

[craggy sonnet]

man, i hope there is gonna be a special episode in the next 2 weeks

after you and maybe others actually played alpha

[drifting nova]

special alert, is booty

tada done

[scarlet jungle]

you dont like it? its less fun that current?

[craggy sonnet]

kekkers doesnt even play boomie on live

[drifting nova]

truee

does any chicken main?

[warm quest]

Hmm can't say I like the sound of WA being entirely removed from the game, I used WAs to give myself a vertical countdown bar color coated for both moonfire and sunfire for an easy way to track the dot timings visually. Next xpac I get zero options to have any visual way to track Dots? Beyond just I dunno looking at the debuffs under the enemy frames of what I'm currently targeting?

[lofty depot]

well thats current thats its tracked on nameplates

theres a idk box for them but it just doesnt track it

[lucid olive]

holy shit

i am fighting muscle memory

[lofty depot]

People bringing it up is good for them

assumign the starfire pre casting

[lucid olive]

i started leveling campaign and pulled 6 mobs and started slamming wrath to enter lunar

[lofty depot]

lol

i wonder if say like araz, u would cast starfires while outside of eclipse to hit orbs.... then wrath eclipse to go back to doing boss dam....

curious game play

[gritty granite]

Once we're into Eclipse, you can switch between solar and lunar no ?

[normal pilot]

Haranir Racials:

• Thorn Bloom: 3m cd, 0.5s gcd. 10yd AoE, 8 target cap. 50% SP + 150% SP damage over 12s, 65% SP + 180% SP heal over 12s
• Lash Out: 1% damage crit bonus, 0.5% heal crit bonus (maybe bug)
• Subterranean Predator: 1% increased damage to aberrations, beasts, elementals

[lofty depot]

is that uhhhh a good heal

[normal pilot]

i have no idea

but it's on the gcd so it's dead

[lofty depot]

i feel ike 60% of 130k is nothing.....

[gritty granite]

It kind of feels like Wrath Eclipse (15s buff, 30s CD, no damage outside of Eclipse) except now you control when you proc it and you’re not locked into ST vs AoE.

[lofty depot]

and 1.8 x 130k is like 240k

which is also nothing

also, i was wondering..... does the mastery scale the same as it did before

[lucid olive]

crit bonus

[lofty depot]

well i guess scaling diff

[lucid olive]

we're chilling

[lofty depot]

so like it would be weird....

[lucid olive]

i'm haranir for life

[normal pilot]

it's half bonus of cow

[lofty depot]

no meld, cant be good

[lofty depot]

uhhh i think ur still locked

[lucid olive]

but they're double the looks

[lofty depot]

like u could swap once but its worse

(i think u can swap)

idk i dont have alpha and my content creator was flying around stormwind

[lofty depot]

but half the damage

also, ull get called a furry (prob)

[night gulch]

you take that back rn, my cow is crying

[wise hare]

where is mine

hello

[lucid olive]

i've blacklisted you sorry

[wise hare]

wtf

also if anyone cares

updated my aura shit

https://wago.io/HJQsdOyIm

[lofty depot]

smh making weakauras

[wise hare]

surely they will revert shit for stuff like this

[lofty depot]

surely

[wise hare]

i mean going by ions statement it should still be possible to customize the look of what they offer you

worst case weakauras become a reskin of blizzard shitty auras

[lofty depot]

https://x.com/luxthos/status/1974191521592455520

Luxthos (@luxthos)

Already looking a lot better!

X · Oct 3, 2025, 7:15 PM

but yea its just reskin stun

[wise hare]

tbh as long as i can recreate stuff like my pack that i have now

idc

ill lose myself if they force me to use icons for sf and mf tracking instead of bars

[lofty depot]

oh urs is a bar

ewwwwwwww

[wise hare]

[lofty depot]

its curious the moonfire one goes left to right when lunar goes right ot left

[wise hare]

its cause stfl fucks it up

if you talent stfl you have 3 bars

🙃

[lofty depot]

ye

but we dont use that

[wise hare]

so they all go left to right

[lofty depot]

and its gone soon

[wise hare]

besides lunar

[lofty depot]

so u can delete that

[wise hare]

as long as its in ill keep it

you can just swap the direction anyway

literally one click

[lofty depot]

looks good tho

[normal pilot]

what are you going to click

[wise hare]

ty

[buoyant ridge]

gamz alpha but no stream

[wise hare]

not really alpha from him

[buoyant ridge]

😭

[lucid olive]

its past 5am gg

[lofty depot]

go to sleep

[loud kettle]

@lucid olive are u online

@wicked shuttle whats ur character name, im trying to invite you to dreamgrove community...

on alpha ofc

[lucid olive]

No I went to bed

[loud kettle]

😡

[lucid olive]

Dougsowner

[wicked shuttle]

ya dougsowner

[normal pilot]

who's doug

[normal pilot]

what happened to bert

[wicked shuttle]

passed away in march

[normal pilot]

rip

[wicked shuttle]

[normal pilot]

[glossy jungle]

[trim estuary]

[lucid olive]

We making a neighborhood?

[snow sphinx]

Hi 🙂 can I get some recommendations for embellishments if I have a Voidglass Spire 2H Staff? 🙂

Is it too much of a detriment to make bracers / belt

with one of the stat embellishments

[lucid olive]

2x dawnthread or duskthread, whichever sims the best

Bracer/belt is fine

Only if you have the Voidglass Spire on mythic though

[lofty depot]

belt is dead on tuesday

[urban vector]

Friends, i normally resto but enjoying boomkin, Am i right in reading that the icy veins recommends keeper for M+ and wow head recommends elune?

Assume keeper is better if im new?

[fossil shard]

EC probably better if you're new tbh

[urban vector]

okay ty

[fossil shard]

and its stronger in keys

https://www.dreamgrove.gg/blog/balance/compendium

go there from now on btw

[spiral arrow]

can't sim dungeon slice, whats the most accurate to sim for dungeon?

Top gear that is

[flint rose]

3 targerts 5 min I think

[round field]

You think wrong

Stop thinking

[round field]

Click the link above and go to the sim section

[magic hornet]

is binding of binding better than ascension on weapon?

for m+

[round field]

no

[scarlet tapir]

how old was he

[ebon sail]

Trying to progress Dim HC, when am I best to use my major cds, I'm running antenna and araz trinket.

[craggy sonnet]

Really depends on your push timings, I guess. And if you are meeting the dmg checks for them.
You can look at lorrgs.io to get an idea

[ebon sail]

atm I'm going double CA in p1, getting next CA and araz just before p2 first platform, then getting full cds up again near end of 2nd platform, then p3, i have trees and 1 ca charge and my pot back up.

[maiden pasture]

theres only 2 ways to play the fight with CDs tbh its either:

2x CA on pull
1x CA at 2 mins
1x CA at the end of platform 1
2x CA for damage amp

or
2x CA on pull
(push before 2 mins come up)
1x CA at start of platform 1
2x CA for damage amp

[maiden pasture]

you should never press CA without convoke which it sounds like ur gonna do if u pop at the end of 2nd platform

[ebon sail]

It'll have to be the former, that pug group wasn't getting p1 done in less than 2 mins. Got to 10% best attempt, just frustrating people are missing damage checks, complaining then not being fully buffed.

[craggy sonnet]

I don't think that's true if you play with a group that might not meet the checks on platforms.
You can for sure send a CA without convoke on 2nd platform if your group has no dmg

Sure, it's not ideal for your personal parse

[maiden pasture]

if your group doesnt meet the 2nd platform check

find a new group

[craggy sonnet]

Well

[maiden pasture]

you're gonna wipe to p3 guaranteed if you cant make the p2 platform check

[craggy sonnet]

Why

There is no meaningful enrage in p3

[maiden pasture]

there is when everyone starts dropping like flies

[craggy sonnet]

Or rather if you can ensure having to play only a single cycle per platform by using CDs, I think it's gonna drastically increase the # of people you start p3 with

[ebon sail]

In p3, the issue had been either a) people didn't understand the wave debuff timer or 2, tanks with grasp debuff not positioning themselves correctly and pulling people through the boss.

[round field]

interesting

[ebon sail]

That's pug for you

[lucid olive]

Huh

You can
2x CA pull
2x CA 1st platform
2x CA amp
2x CA end of fight

Basically play ele shaman timers with 90s ca recharge

[maiden pasture]

didnt know could 2x ca 1st platform tbf

isnt that with

super slow push timer

or

[round field]

no way ur getting

that many cds

in like

heroic pug

[lucid olive]

Oh it's heroic

Yeah idk press cd on cd it's heroic lmao

[late gorge]

are boomie changes in midnight are good/fun?

[round field]

sure

its something

[maiden pasture]

theyre definitely a step in the right direction

[copper gate]

So I follow the opening rotation and have araz trinket bound to incarn but I’m noticing the trinket isn’t up for the 3rd incarn that I’m aligning with the second convoke despite both being two minute CDs

Any idea what’s causing this? Should I delay convoke and incarn for the araz trinket?

[maiden pasture]

control of the dream causes convoke to bne slightly shorter than a 2min cd but also means you dont get punished at all for holding it for 15s

but yes never use convoke + ca without araz trinket (unless the boss will die before the trinket comes up)

[wicked shuttle]

16

[solar arch]

On the reflective shield on high priestess in Priory, does she only reflect the exact damage you do to her, or can it be amplifyed by other factors?

[round field]

well

[wicked shuttle]

What does this mean

[round field]

i have sent dryad 4p starsurges into her

and didnt oneshot myself 5x over

so probably

[wicked shuttle]

Mages and Demon Hunters definitely have one shot themselves easily on her

[solar arch]

Perfect, thanks

[lucid olive]

Me on dev evoker

Double engulfing myself

[copper gate]

Damn alright, I should’ve asked sooner thank you

Also sorry I guess it isn’t called incarnation but you understood what I meant

[west river]

Any tip for a bad boomy in M+? Like I've been playing boomy for more than a decade, I pretty much know what I'm doing, but I feel like my overall dps in M+ is pretty bad, always down by 1-2M of the second dps at the end of the dungeon.

[craggy sonnet]

So in other words, you probably do not know?
It is hard to give feedback without anything to base it on. You should post a log or ask more specific questions.

[west river]

I was expecting that answer, obviously... I know how the class works, in raid I'm totally fine. It's in M+ that it's bad.

When we get big groups I see other classes get up to 20-25M dps while I sit at 12-14M

More specific question: When there's a big group and I just popped convoke/celestial, I empty my astral points with starfall, then start spamming starfire, but after that which is best? Keep spamming starfire or cast starfall as soon as I have 50 points?

[celest narwhal]

Well you have convoke in m+

So that’s a problem

R you running Elunes Chosen in m+?

Did you check top logs of boomkins to see what talents are even being ran @west river

[west river]

I didn't like Elune's chosen and I've seen on raiderio a boomy doing guardian being in top 20

[round field]

ok

you still dont play convoke?

[west river]

I do play convoke

[round field]

thats

the problem?

its bad

if you "know how the class works" you should understand that

[west river]

damn, so fucking toxic in here wtf

[copper gate]

[round field]

im sorry?

you want me to lie

or

[west river]

God bless blocks

[round field]

[copper gate]

It’s been a very helpful discord tbh not toxic 7 Day is just being straightforward

[maiden pasture]

its not toxic, you came in saying you knw what you're doing but then admit to doing something that would imply the opposite xd

[round field]

why

do i get added

only to get blocked

[maiden pasture]

legit

im sure he will go far in life

[wild dune]

play a spec for more than a decade, play wrong talents, get defensive when told playing wrong talents

gg

[wind lion]

Guys, how are we simming for M+? Tried to do the DungeonSlice sim, but it says Balance isnt supported... Anyone knows which of these trinkets should I use for M+? (I have the Raid 2H Mythic Staff)

[maiden pasture]

bro he keeps messaging me without me being able to respond does this guy get off on not being able to be questioned or

[maiden pasture]

mdt sim

[wild dune]

[maiden pasture]

insane gamer

[wild dune]

why on earth can you dm somebody if you have settings like this

[maiden pasture]

wdym settings like this

[wild dune]

im old, bald, and tech illiterate, nvm.

[maiden pasture]

he is just perma unblocking to get his word in without having you actually respond to his dumb ass comments

its very mature of him

[craggy sonnet]

Why can't you write in channel tho

Hm

[craggy sonnet]

Do a dungeonroute sim. But likely parapodia and sacbrood

[pallid bay]

professional ragebaiter

[maiden pasture]

careful he's gonna dm u aswell

[wild dune]

is it ragebait if we're all just laughing though

[pallid bay]

yeah you're so mad..

[drifting nova]

wheres mine wtf

[wicked shuttle]

Lmfao

[wicked shuttle]

He got muted for saying a specific word

[craggy sonnet]

Oh, that's not nice

[drifting nova]

I know for a fact the bot has some real soft words in it

[wicked shuttle]

Most of them are deleted, not hit you with a mute

[drifting nova]

yeah tell that to my hour few days ago

[craggy sonnet]

What was the word?

[wicked shuttle]

Australians consistently get timed out too

Owned

[drifting nova]

real soft, like not even a bad word 9/10

especially given context

10x softer than the aussie word

[craggy sonnet]

Tbh, just wanted to get you outta here for another hour

[wicked shuttle]

I banned that guy though, you can’t just crash out in people’s DMs after getting timed out LOL

[lucid olive]

gg

[drifting nova]

share the bot bad words so I can be a good boy 🙂

[lucid olive]

did blizzard mention anywhere on the development notes that they changed skyriding

or is it just on the alpha

vigor seems to be removed

[wild dune]

yea vigor is gone

[craggy sonnet]

How is he gonna improve in m+ now tho.. playing the spec for 10 years and knowing what he is doing

[drifting nova]

yeah, welcome to last month

even I know that

[wicked shuttle]

I still see vigor on my bars, just not on the UI

[pallid bay]

are u on alpha gamz

[wicked shuttle]

I noticed that though

[lucid olive]

whirling surge doesnt cost a charge

you take off so quick

[wild dune]

they want flying to be like dimmy i guess

[drifting nova]

but I ran out of charges on dimmy?

[lucid olive]

yeah i'm buying a house

the neighborhoods are a lot bigger than i thought theyd be

[wild dune]

you would

🦐

[lucid olive]

like this map is actually massive

[drifting nova]

either that or hit asteroid gg

[craggy sonnet]

I have seen in some feature video where they showed a short clip titled streamlined skyriding

[pallid bay]

where stream?

[craggy sonnet]

But I don't think they ever mentioned something specific about it

[lucid olive]

is this new?

[lucid olive]

i'm leaving in less than an hour so i couldn't be bothered

[pallid bay]

give me your account details

[maiden pasture]

[pallid bay]

[drifting nova]

give us

our account

[maiden pasture]

alpha is reserved for experts only

sorry oi

[lucid olive]

🙅

[craggy sonnet]

I think this is about teaching you to kick n stuff

[pallid bay]

nepotism!

[lucid olive]

1000 gold for a home?

what an economy

[drifting nova]

I just wanna see if tww is my last xpac tbh

[craggy sonnet]

Everyone is crying about cancelling their sub.
In the end, you still can't get what wow provides anywhere else so you'll continue playing

[drifting nova]

bad example

but still, doubt

[craggy sonnet]

Do you even consider yourself a wow player at this point? (not meant to come across offensive or whatever, just honest question)

[drifting nova]

closer to the average, still much higher than alot of you assume

[craggy sonnet]

Or would you say it's mostly touristic

Ok

I mean, I obv don't know

[drifting nova]

see, it's that type of ego assuming I'm a 50% player

[craggy sonnet]

No, it's just from what people are writing

I have no clue

[drifting nova]

things like really makkes me question if you're gamers, or just wow players

[maiden pasture]

why do u think hes not

[drifting nova]

like you're all wow players

[craggy sonnet]

But there is a distinction between playing wow on the side or it being your main game. Where it is much easier to drop out of it for one of those

[maiden pasture]

wow should be played as a seasonal game rlly

[drifting nova]

theres a massive echo chamber in here and I'm the anchor

[maiden pasture]

its designed as such

[drifting nova]

now sure that happens by virtue of exposure

but you've never seen an actual 1day a week tourist gamer

that only does normal

they dont exist to you

[normal pilot]

no reason to make it seasonal when ppl are more than willing to keep paying constantly

as long as ppl find the value of w/e they find in the game worth $15

[craggy sonnet]

I was merely asking.
Because comments I have read suggesting he is not nearly as invested as he maybe once was

[drifting nova]

what is investment

CE?

[maiden pasture]

you can still be a wow player and not be invested as you were

dont think theres any barrier to being a wow player specifically xd

[lucid olive]

Kekkers is the most typical wow player here

[drifting nova]

here yes

in general, no

you've gotten to the point of removing half the bell curve

because you dont see them

[drifting nova]

precisely why I question gamers vs wow gamers

I am a gamer

not a wow gamer

[craggy sonnet]

Yeah, sure. Wasn't my intention to paint him as either or. Was just a legit question on how he feels about the game

[drifting nova]

currently? poorly

with the incoming cannon? more hesitant than normal

given newer xpacs

[lucid olive]

i love this placeholder name

[craggy sonnet]

Lol

Keep it

Fr fr

[lucid olive]

its all of em too

[pallid bay]

he's highly invested in his casual gameplay

nothing wrong with that though

[drifting nova]

[lucid olive]

hey kekkers got aotc ansurek

he's a big deal

[craggy sonnet]

Ofc not

[drifting nova]

whats an average player doing?

[normal pilot]

hyped about housing

[drifting nova]

I'm not

-1 raid tier terrority

[maiden pasture]

you're in like

a weird midground tho right kekkers

ur not like super casual just walking around doing world quests

and ur not hardcore minmaxxing parses in mythic raid

[craggy sonnet]

Big delver

[drifting nova]

is..anyone?

[maiden pasture]

yes